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==Passive voice, and a larger issue==
 
per [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball]], "All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable."
 
RE:
:''It has been announced that Adams would take over as the new artist on [[All Star Batman and Robin]] after [[Frank Miller (comics)|Frank Miller]] and [[Jim Lee]] finish their run on the series.''
 
Sentences like the that show up too frequently in the comics articles, and appear either as if the promotional departments of comic-book companies are using Wiki to plug new projects, ''or'' passionate fans are tossing in news and gossip items, which may or may not be of encyclopedic weight.
 
In any case, "It has been announced" ... by whom? by what? where? Can this be cited? Is it from a news column or a gossip column? These are important distinctions to make and reasonable questions to ask regarding content being put into an ''encyclopedia''. - [[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] 10:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Yes that's right Neal Adams has nothing better to do than come here and plug his book. You idiot. Hate to tell you hall monitors, but Wikipedia isn't half as important as you think it is.
 
==Passive voice==
Well, your voice isn't passive when it comes to throwing insults.
 
Neal Adams doesn't have to plug anything. Promotional departments do. That's what they're paid for. I did mention that. I'm sorry you apparently skimmed and didn't read that before losing your temper.
 
Wikipedia is the 19th most visited site on the Web, and is the cover story of this week's ''Village Voice''.
-- [[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] 00:31, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
==''Lois Lane'' #80 cover==
Does not look like an Adams cover to me (I think the GCBDB got this one wrong)...there are tons of better 60s DC covers by Adams that would be more representative.[[User:Stationwagontodd|Stationwagontodd]] 16:49, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 
:Good eye. According to the Neal Adams Checklist at the artist's own site -- which I should have checked with for secondary confirmation on what, in retrospect, isn't instantly recognizable as Neal -- it was only inked by Adams, and penciled by Curt Swan (http://www.nealadams.com/checklist.html). I'll notify GCD and remove the image. -- [[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] 15:33, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 
::Thanks, mate...Superman's musculature did have a bit of an Adams look to it, Neal being the inker explains that. Interesting, I don't recall ever seeing any Swan/Adams collaborations in the past. [[User:Stationwagontodd|Stationwagontodd]] 15:43, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 
 
== Neal's theories ==
 
I think there should be a larger section on Neal's theories about his new model of the universe.
 
Oh man, yes! Listen to him being interviewed: http://www.theskepticsguide.org/skepticsguide/podcastinfo.asp?pid=51 He's hilariously crazy! --[[User:Havermayer|Havermayer]] 05:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 
Maybe he's crazy; maybe not. But if the size of earth is changing, wouldn't the speed of rotation also change? -W- [[Special:Contributions/99.231.208.23|99.231.208.23]] ([[User talk:99.231.208.23|talk]]) 07:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
* After listening to the podcast interview, it seems to me like the interviewers spent a lot of effort to emotionally express their disbelief rather than use facts in their arguments; using terms like 'that's bad science' or 'that's just not true', whereas Adams gave a lot of information that genuinely makes me think. Note, I disagree that the earth must be hollow, but these anomalies, like size and speed of Tyrannosaur compared to its bone structure, are still anomalies to explain. The challenge here is to provide a theory consistent with all the facts. -- [[Special:Contributions/99.231.208.23|99.231.208.23]] ([[User talk:99.231.208.23|talk]]) 09:19, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 
::I remember this podcast differently. I don't think the SGU crew simply dismissed NA's points in the manner you describe. But regarding the science see the follow on emails: http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?s=neal+adams [[User:Mindme|Mindme]] ([[User talk:Mindme|talk]]) 15:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 
The reason they said things like, 'that's bad science', and 'that's just not true', was because the BS that Neal was spouting WAS bad science and it WAS simply NOT true. Whether this was from Neal being a liar or just being batshit insane, your guess is as good as mine, but I'd say some combination of the two. --Zhuul
 
The whole expanding earth section is a real mishmash. It even appears to have a made up source. I might clean that up and put it into wiki speak. [[User:Mindme|Mindme]] ([[User talk:Mindme|talk]]) 14:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 
You guys in wikipedia are up to your usual bad practices. You want to state his theory is wrong. That is a conclusion you can't make. You can only fairly report that he has a theory and what it is. You should not make assertions about whether it is good or bad science or not. You dont have the facts to do this. I doubt if you know the difference. So just mind your own business and don't make conclusions or conclusive statements about this. For example the earth's rotation is slowing down which is consistent with the expanding earth model. But in any event you probably can not make any conclusion about this one way or other since the tidal effect of the moon is involved and other factors as well which may or may not have to be changed. This is an interesting idea that should be thought about and not discarded as is usually the case, since scientists are basically fans of pet theories which are usually wrong. This impeeds progress. We need ideas and not scientific stasis.[[Special:Contributions/72.64.41.73|72.64.41.73]] ([[User talk:72.64.41.73|talk]]) 15:38, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 
:72.64.41.73 there are very good logical, scientific, and evidence based reasons to reject Neal's hypothesis. See the URL I posted above. Neal has to hand wave away a lot of observations and experimental data that DIRECTLY contradict his claims. He has to hand wave away multiple lines of evidence from entirely different fields of science (physics, geology, paleontology, anatomy, etc.) that all point to conclusions very, very different from Neal's. So what his idea is consistent with one observation? It's not consistent with 98 others. I could make up any just so story to explain anything. God did it, is a great one. Look, what distinguishes a good theory from a just so story is a theory that makes (correct) predictions. The only prediction I ever saw Neal make (as regards his idea) was a web page he posted that an ESA probe would crash on the moon and make it ring like a bell. When this ''did not happen'', Neal simply deleted the web page with his prediction, instead of admitting results did not support his idea's prediction. One of the hallmarks of good science Neal totally crapped on. So, please, don't lecture us about science. Talk to Neal first. Mmmmkay? [[User:Mindme|Mindme]] ([[User talk:Mindme|talk]]) 17:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:: In my opinion Neal Adams has a brilliant mind. His contribuition to investigate earth evolution surely is a legacy to science. [[Special:Contributions/187.9.108.15|187.9.108.15]] ([[User talk:187.9.108.15|talk]]) 14:30, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Is Neal Adams Jewish? ==
==WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required==
 
I just reverted an edit ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neal_Adams&type=revision&diff=911568200&oldid=911479434&diffmode=source diff]) that added Adams to Jewish artist categories because I could not find any reliable sources indicating the he is Jewish. I then noticed in the article the statement "He is Jewish", citing an [https://www.vulture.com/2018/04/green-lantern-green-arrow-76-woke-superheroes.html article in Vulture]. Are there other reliable sources supporting the statement that he is Jewish? I did not find any with a Google search, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Thanks! [[User:Markworthen|<span style="color:#539;">&nbsp; - Mark D Worthen PsyD</span>]] [[User talk:Markworthen|<span style="color:#64B;">(talk)</span>]] <small>(I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.)</small> 18:32, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria]]. For further details please contact [[WT:COMICS|the Comics WikiProject]]. [[User:Comics-awb|Comics-awb]] ([[User talk:Comics-awb|talk]]) 17:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 
:don't worry i got a link, https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-ab&q=neal+adams+jewish <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/209.122.10.206|209.122.10.206]] ([[User talk:209.122.10.206#top|talk]]) 18:53, 19 August 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Done. The whole biography is thin on references - I'll have to return to this after the B-class assessments are done and I'll flag everything that ''needs'' a source but in the meantime throwing some references in there to support statements isn't going to hurt the article. ([[User:Emperor|Emperor]] ([[User talk:Emperor|talk]]) 02:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC))
::The referencing is better now. What would it take to get this to B-class, and better? [[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) 16:18, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 
::I've read several of the articles/posts on the results page of that search and none of them state that Neal Adams is Jewish. It would seem that if he is Jewish, that fact would have been mentioned in those articles/posts. [[User:Markworthen|<span style="color:#539;">&nbsp; - Mark D Worthen PsyD</span>]] [[User talk:Markworthen|<span style="color:#64B;">(talk)</span>]] <small>(I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.)</small> 16:01, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
==Re: Rip Kirby==
Neal Adams does not himself mention doing work on ''[[Rip Kirby]]'', either in Adams' own website's biography, nor in his interviews in ''The Neal Adams Treasury'', nor in his lengthy, multi-part interview [http://www.comicsbulletin.com/features/111086279993605.htm here].
 
::: He is Jewish! Read this: Riesman, Abraham (April 17, 2018)."Green Lantern No. 76 Was the Moment Superhero Comics Got Woke". Vulture. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2001:8004:2740:761C:CCA9:6C7D:5FD7:7143|2001:8004:2740:761C:CCA9:6C7D:5FD7:7143]] ([[User talk:2001:8004:2740:761C:CCA9:6C7D:5FD7:7143#top|talk]]) 08:35, 10 June 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
The only mention I can find is at a sales site for the retailer Ken Pierce Books, [http://www.kenpiercebooks.com/ripkirby.htm here], from which an uncited sentence in the Wikipedia Rip Kirby article was lifted. Commercial sales sites are disallowed as Wikipedia references, and since Adams himself does not mentions Rip Kirby, and the only source is a retailer who wants to sell Rip Kirby books and does not cite his own source for this information, then this claim does not reach the threshold of encyclopedic veracity. Accordingly, I have removed the Adams claim. -- [[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] ([[User talk:Tenebrae|talk]]) 02:05, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 
:::: [https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-705718 JPost says] "Adams, who was born in 1941, was not Jewish, but had a strong interest in the Holocaust because of his childhood in Germany and his mother-in-law being a Jewish refugee from Nazi-occupied Poland." --[[User:Omnipaedista|Omnipaedista]] ([[User talk:Omnipaedista|talk]]) 22:07, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
== Date of birth ==
:::::In an Comic Book Artist interview, published by TwoMorrows, Adams relates that he had grown up Catholic while discussing some of his work for National Lampoon in the early 1970s. [[Special:Contributions/24.246.125.95|24.246.125.95]] ([[User talk:24.246.125.95|talk]]) 16:39, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 
== Disambiguation ==
The article says his dob was the 12th but with no source. However, other sites say the 15th: [http://lambiek.net/artists/a/adams_n.htm Lambiek] and [http://www.facebook.com/pages/Neal-Adams/55919364143?sk=info Adams' own Facebook page]. ([[User:Emperor|Emperor]] ([[User talk:Emperor|talk]]) 22:51, 12 June 2011 (UTC))
 
== Objection to section on science ==
 
[[user:Seankpat]]: If you have an objection to Adams' science project in his WP biography, you must amend it according to Wikipedia policy. You removed the entire section twice which was essentially vandalism. Now you've inserted [[WP:Original research]] which is unsourced. Wikipedia is not a science journal. Its biographies are inclusive of the sum knowledge about an individual. It is not for personal unreferenced opinions such as you inserted. The section already states his theory is rejected by mainstream science. If you have anything to add, it must be referenced with [[WP:reliable sources]] and comply with [[WP:Due weight]]. --[[User:MichaelNetzer|MichaelNetzer]] ([[User talk:MichaelNetzer|talk]]) 12:58, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 
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== Is Neal Adams Jewish? ==
 
I just reverted an edit ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neal_Adams&type=revision&diff=911568200&oldid=911479434&diffmode=source diff]) that added Adams to Jewish artist categories because I could not find any reliable sources indicating the he is Jewish. I then noticed in the article the statement "He is Jewish", citing an [https://www.vulture.com/2018/04/green-lantern-green-arrow-76-woke-superheroes.html article in Vulture]. Are there other reliable sources supporting the statement that he is Jewish? I did not find any with a Google search, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Thanks! [[User:Markworthen|<span style="color:#539;">&nbsp; - Mark D Worthen PsyD</span>]] [[User talk:Markworthen|<span style="color:#64B;">(talk)</span>]] <small>(I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.)</small> 18:32, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 
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don't worry i got a link, https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-ab&q=neal+adams+jewish <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/209.122.10.206|209.122.10.206]] ([[User talk:209.122.10.206#top|talk]]) 18:53, 19 August 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->