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== Line of Presidential Succession ==
 
I looked up the line of Presidential Succesion, and it seems that after VP and President, it is the Speaker of the House, therefore whoever the Speaker of the House was at the time was the "real" one day president. There are two ways thgis is untrue, but I am not sure of either: 1. The current Speaker of th eHouse was already gone, and 2. The was no Speaker at the time <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.49.101.112|108.49.101.112]] ([[User talk:108.49.101.112|talk]]) 20:45, 19 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
::Not quite. The presidential succession, beyond the Vice President (first in line), is not specified in the Constitution. Therefore it is a matter of federal statute, and those statutes have changed several times. At various times in U.S. history, the second position in the succession has been the Speaker of the House of Representatives (as is the case today), the President Pro Tempore of the Senate (as was the case in David Atchison's time), and the Secretary of State. So Atchison actually was next in line, without regard to the status of the office of Speaker of the House. [[User:Grand51paul|Paul]] ([[User talk:Grand51paul|talk]]) 18:52, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 
== The Presidential term begins on time ==
 
Since the Presidential term begins on time. Atchison could never have been President. Not having taken the oath did not disqualify Taylor from becoming President on time. It just prevented him from entering upon the execution of that office. Not even Obama took the oath on time. He took it about fifteen minutes after becoming President. [[User:Hebel|Gerard von Hebel]] ([[User talk:Hebel|talk]]) 09:34, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 
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== ActingOR Presidentcleanup ==
AN IP editor [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Rice_Atchison&diff=543516429&oldid=539349710 cleaned up] most of the [[WP:OR|original research]] problems with this article in March. There was only one paragraph left that was still OR, and I've [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Rice_Atchison&diff=560343128&oldid=558594675 removed it], along with the OR tag that was on the article.
 
Please let's not re-introduce it. Any commentary on the validity or lack thereof of the claim that Atchison was "President for One Day" should be accompanied by a cite to the published statement from which the commentary is drawn. I note that nearly all of the discussion in the topics "Line of Presidential Succession", "The Presidential term begins on time" an "Acting President" are OR and [[WP:SYNTH]]. [[User:TJRC|TJRC]] ([[User talk:TJRC|talk]]) 20:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
If Atchison is considered to have served as Acting President from noon 3/4/1849 to noon of 3/5/1849, it would seem that Daniel Webster (as Secretary of State during the congressional recess) would be considered to have served as Acting President the two days between the death of William Henry Harrison on 4/4/1841 and Tyler's inauguration on 4/6/1841. [[User:Chronicler3|Chronicler3]] ([[User talk:Chronicler3|talk]]) 16:17, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 
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Please let's not re-introduce it. Any commentary on the validity or lack thereof of the claim that Atchison was "President for One Day" should be accompanied by a cite to the published statement from which the commentary is drawn. I note that nearly all of the discussion in the topics "Line of Presidential Succession", "The Presidential term begins on time" an "Acting President" are OR and [[WP:SYNTH]]. [[User:TJRC|TJRC]] ([[User talk:TJRC|talk]]) 20:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 
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== Quote from rulers.org ==
"On six occasions, a president took the oath of office one or (in Tyler's case) two days after the beginning of his term of office, either because the demise of the presidency was due to the death of the incumbent or because of religious scruples about swearing an oath on Sunday. These occasions are: Monroe 1821 (upon reelection), Tyler 1841, Taylor 1849, Fillmore 1850, Arthur 1881, Coolidge 1923. Although the oath is necessary for a president to "enter on the execution of the office," the presidential term itself begins on time. On several occasions the new president took the oath of office in public the day after the beginning of the term but, in view of the concerns voiced about earlier Sunday deferrals, had taken the oath in private (Hayes 1877 actually one day early). The beginnings of the terms are listed here, not the oath-taking dates. It may be noted in this context that there is no substance to the legend that David Rice Atchison was president 4-5 Mar 1849. (If not being sworn in as president is held against Zachary Taylor's being president already from noon on 4 Mar 1849, it cannot be argued that another person, however qualified otherwise, could have been acting president without being sworn in in that capacity.)" [[User:Hebel|Gerard von Hebel]] ([[User talk:Hebel|talk]]) 01:43, 26 August 2015 (UTC)