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Date request

A beer for Schwede66

I have a strange date request. There's no special occasion but a journalist is wanting to feature the article Mussel Inn in his weekly newspaper when it's about to appear on Wikipedia's homepage in the DYK section. I promised him that I would keep an eye on the nomination and would tell him when it's about to run. Problem is that the hook was just promoted to fill a gap in Prep 3, it would therefore appear on the homepage on Wednesday, with the next edition of the GB Weekly not due until Friday. Bummer! Any chance we could move this to Prep 6 so that it appears on Saturday?

I shall also say that videos make for hugely high hook counts. By way of full disclosure, I'm the customer in the video who is being poured a beer. Schwede66 19:09, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Schwede66: There were already three broadly performance-related hooks in prep 6 already (the opera singer Cecelia Hall, the theatre group Jumalan teatteri, and the opera Grounded), so one of them had to move anyway, so I moved Mussel Inn while I was at it. I will warn you that with 144 approved hooks and about 7 and a half preps/queues filled, we could go to 2-a-day at any moment (hopefully after my Porij hook runs) so this may need to move again. Could you please a) check I haven't made any errors, and b) promote prep 1 as I've filled out the top and bottom hooks of the last set?--Launchballer 20:10, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Launchballer; that's excellent. Much appreciated! And thanks for including the video, too. I'll go ahead and let the journalist know that it'll run from Saturday lunchtime (our time). If it has to move again because we've gone to 12-hour hook sets by then, so be it. I'm happy to do the moving (if needed) as long as there's consensus for it to do so.

Unfortunately, I can't help with queue promotion at the moment. I'm in an all-day workshop (yes, I know - it's Sunday). Then off to a convention tonight and after that, I have to entertain my wife (who's travelling with me). Mon and Tue, I'm at a conference; conference dinner on Mon night. Travelling with a colleague for the rest of the week. And all that followed by a Wikicon next weekend. I have 20 min now and will do some admin checks on some of the hooks in Prep 1. Schwede66 00:36, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

I reviewed Walker Keith Baylor, but I can do the rest.--Launchballer 00:40, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

I just realized something about this request: doesn't this technically violate the rule about not focusing on a commercial release? Or not really? I'm not sure, which is why I'm asking for clarification as I just find it weird. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Nothing is being released, though. What am I missing? Schwede66 12:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for meeting the request. The newspaper article was published yesterday and is listed as a press mention on the target article's talk page. Schwede66 18:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Schwede66 presenting on the homepage, pointing to the video that was on the homepage on Saturday

Holy smokes. I had a video on the homepage before and that got some decent views at 411k. But this one nearly broke the servers at 2.27m views. That is phenomenal! I suggest that we encourage DYK editors to nominate videos whenever they can, and preppers to really favour those nominations for the lead hook. The target article (written by Pakoire) got just under 8,000 views; I thought it would do a bit better than that. But well over 2 million views for the video is just stunning.

What made this really fun for me was that we had a WikiCon in Auckland over the weekend. I gave a presentation about the homepage. When we rearranged the date for this item, that WikiCon wasn't on my mind at all but it coincided nicely with this homepage exposure. Great hilarity was caused me pointing to the video, and by another coincidence, I was even wearing the same T-shirt as in the video. Too funny! Thanks all for accommodating this. Schwede66 19:19, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Are we really not on mobile?

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T360689

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T221993

According to WP:VPR#There is already a different Main Page on the app, DYK isn't on the mobile app main page. I don't use the mobile app, so I have no clue if this is true or not, but @JPxG felt "someone" should let DYK know, so I'm doing that. RoySmith (talk) 15:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I can confirm that there is no DYK on the Android app. From the top, the order of Main Page sections is:

• TFA
• "Today on Wikipedia" (small body text hyperlink to the normal Main Page)
• "Top Read" (presumably the articles with the most pageviews in the last day or couple days)
• PoTD
• "Because you read" (related articles to one that I was looking at last time I had the app open)
• ITN
• OTD
• "Random article"
• "Suggested edits"
• then it loops back to the previous day's TFA.

jp×g🗯️ 17:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Similar on Apple devices. If I had to guess, our occasional twelve-hour periods are rather annoying to deal with for a page that is structured on a day-by-day basis. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:55, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

@The wub told me a while ago not to worry because mobile app uptake is so poor anyway. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

The mobile apps (iOS and Android combined) made up 2.3% of pageviews on English Wikipedia last year [1]. Mobile web was 65.5%, and desktop was 32.2%. That said, the app audiences are slowly growing, and it would be nice to have DYK shown to them as well. the wub "?!" 00:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Which is bizarre, since the website version on the phone has a DYK section. Bremps... 11:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Queue 1

Texas Hold 'Em (song) and 16 Carriages

@ModulationBend, MaranoFan, TonyTheTiger, and Cielquiparle:

• ... that even though Beyoncé's singles "Texas Hold 'Em" and "16 Carriages" are country songs, an Oklahoma country station refused to play the former and faced backlash?

Texas Hold 'Em has a citation needed tag that needs to be resolved. Also, the hook has two songs bolded, but the information seems to be only about the Texas Hold 'Em song, and the Oklahoma station is not mentioned in the 16 Carriages article. Is there a hook that applies to both more equally? Z1720 (talk) 14:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• @ModulationBend, MaranoFan, TonyTheTiger, and Cielquiparle: The citation needed tag has been resolved, but my concerns about the hook still remain. Any thoughts about that from you or other editors not pinged? Z1720 (talk) 14:03, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

  @Z1720 I know it's not an ideal way to go about things, but I understood that @TonyTheTiger happens to have unique expertise in multi-nomination hooks at DYK, so I thought it must be OK. Personally I felt the hook was more enlightening because it mentioned the second song ("Oh, this was more than a one-off for Beyoncé") and the wording of it seems clear enough ("refused to play the former"). But in my experience you seem to have a good radar for what gets stuck at WP:ERRORS – to the point that things get stuck there even after you've flagged them because you didn't get around to implementing the fixes in advance – so I'm happy to go along with whatever solution. Cielquiparle (talk) 14:35, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Hooks have been pulled due to lack of response to concerns above. I'll reopen the nomination shortly. Z1720 (talk) 23:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@Z1720 Thanks. I think it's a fair pull given lack of response and lack of ALT hook as back-up. Will leave a note on @MaranoFan's page. Cielquiparle (talk) 23:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@Cielquiparle: Already posted a templated DYK notes and pinged. Z1720 (talk) 23:57, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Looks like they are on wikibreak anyway; maybe we can resolve after they are back. Cielquiparle (talk) 00:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

WWXL (Illinois)

@Sammi Brie, LissajousCurve, Gonzo fan2007, and AirshipJungleman29:

• ... that an Illinois radio station closed down to reduce interference with television reception?

The article says, "Hilltop Broadcasting Company took WTVH radio off the air in mid-December 1954 in order to focus solely on the television station and remove interference caused by the co-sited AM operation." Was the station closed to avoid interference from a television reception or an AM station's operation? Z1720 (talk) 14:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

The AM operation is the subject of the article, @Z1720. The newspaper article states, in a quote from a representative, "WTVH plans to discontinue its AM broadcasting about mid-December, thus eliminating the slight interference now present in a few areas due to the radio signal." The interference in this case is to reception of the TV station. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Z1720 and Sammi Brie:, is this resolved? Seems fine to me. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:36, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Queue 4

Hidden Letters

@NotAGenious, Sammi Brie, and Sdkb:

Important point here—Nüshu is a writing system, not a language per se—it was used to write the Xiangnan Tuhua language. Remsense诉 18:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

That's true. Language seems to state to me that "language" can refer to written, not just spoken, forms of communication, and many reviews of the film refer to Nushu as a language, so I went with "language" for the hook as it makes it easier to read. I used "script" in the article for precision, though, and if you want to argue that calling it a language is erroneous I wouldn't be firmly opposed to changing it in the hook as well. Sdkb ^talk 19:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

April Fools'

I've started to fill out Prep 1, which will be the April Fool's set. I've moved what I see as the best nominations at WP:DYKAPRIL there already; I think those remaining at DYKAPRIL might need a bit of work, considering they can't all fit.

Or in other words, do you want a dog or a cat in the picture slot? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Of course, new nominations are still equally welcome. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

That cat image is brilliant, I say go with that. There was a suggestion by Theleekycauldron at the article's nom that ur mum should be lowercase and unquoted?--Launchballer (talk) 17:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

i've gone ahead and done it, hopefully it isn't shooting myself in the foot :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:06, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

No way, cat! The dog is fantastic. Wrongly accused—paw prints and mugshot taken—slammed into chokey for life—and then, as if things couldn't get any worse, put on diet! "Help!" sez Pep :) ——Serial Number 54129 17:57, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Definitely the dog for mine. Great, eye-catching hook, whereas the cat hooks are quite clunky or else not very April Fools-ish. Gatoclass (talk) 03:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm inclined toward the dog. Kudos to the maker of the ray cat image, but I think the article about Pep is more appealing both as a hook (it's concise, amusing, and attention-drawing) and as an image (although the bad lighting is a little unfortunate, it still registers strongly as a mug shot, resulting in further amusement because now the reader's thinking, "wait, did they really arrest a dog?). P-Makoto (she/her) (talk) P-Makoto (she/her) (talk) 03:37, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I've realised I never said it here, but I, too, prefer Monsieur Woof. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 08:37, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Pawsing for thought... it's a shame we can't use Eastern State Pawitentiary too  :) ——Serial Number 54129 19:23, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

• I never saw a chartruce cat / I hope I never see one / but I can tell you anyhow / it would make a great lead photo.RoySmith-Mobile (talk) 12:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

• I prefer the cat, personally, it's more eye-catching. Not to say that Pep isn't a good boy. Silverseren^C 16:35, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

And the winner iiiiiiisssssss... a bridge? – Hilst [talk] 18:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Looks like I mucked up the set- blissfully unaware of the date. When we open a new prep I will move out the offending hooks or another editor can. I moved out the image and will need to move two more. I realize that I have also overloaded Prep 6 with US-centric hooks and that will need to be corrected. Bruxton (talk) 19:34, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Are we really doing 10-hook sets? RoySmith (talk) 19:46, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@RoySmith: I did not set up the ten set, but I did run a character counter and we are well under normal set size so it will be ok. Bruxton (talk) 19:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Preps 3-5 have eight hooks instead of nine. The three misplaced hooks in prep 1 can be spread across those sets. I also notice that we are above the threshold for switching to two sets per day (10 preps/queues filled), so perhaps we can have a dog and a cat as lead April Fools' images.--Launchballer 20:22, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

My warped mind wonders if we could run two different hooks that both use the same image. Because April. RoySmith (talk) 20:46, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

If desired, we could alternate the dog and cat hooks through {{random item}}, as a sort of extra joke for anyone who happens to view the Main Page twice. It gets purged something like once per second, so it'd be truly random each time someone refreshed the page. Or we could do a time-based parser, even number of seconds or odd. (COI disclaimer one: I wrote the cat article.) (COI disclaimer two: That dog looks like a very good boy.) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 23:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

If somebody could make that work, I think it would be awesome. RoySmith (talk) 23:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@RoySmith:

Randomized

{{random item |{{main page image/DYK|image=Green glowing cat.png|caption=An artist's impression of a ray cat}}<!--See [[Template:Main page image/DYK]] for other parameters--> * ... that '''[[ray cat|color-changing cats]]''' ''(artist's impression pictured)'' could help us communicate with the future? |{{main page image/DYK|image=Pep (inmate C-2559) mugshot.jpg|caption=Mugshot of Pep}}<!--See [[Template:Main page image/DYK]] for other parameters--> * ... that '''[[Pep (dog)|Pep]]''' ''(pictured)'' was falsely accused of murdering a cat and sent to [[Eastern State Penitentiary]]?}} Mugshot of Pep ... that Pep (pictured) was falsely accused of murdering a cat and sent to Eastern State Penitentiary?

Alternating every second

{{#ifexpr:{{#time:U}} mod 2 |{{main page image/DYK|image=Green glowing cat.png|caption=An artist's impression of a ray cat}}<!--See [[Template:Main page image/DYK]] for other parameters--> * ... that '''[[ray cat|color-changing cats]]''' ''(artist's impression pictured)'' could help us communicate with the future? |{{main page image/DYK|image=Pep (inmate C-2559) mugshot.jpg|caption=Mugshot of Pep}}<!--See [[Template:Main page image/DYK]] for other parameters--> * ... that '''[[Pep (dog)|Pep]]''' ''(pictured)'' was falsely accused of murdering a cat and sent to [[Eastern State Penitentiary]]?}} An artist's impression of a ray cat ... that color-changing cats (artist's impression pictured) could help us communicate with the future?

Just to be clear about how this would work, it wouldn't flicker on the Main Page or anything; the different versions would only show up on reload. The "every second" part shouldn't be an issue server-wise, since, like I said, the MP gets purged constantly regardless. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 00:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm always seeing the green cat in the example above, but I'm assuming there's just some cacheing that's getting in the way? RoySmith (talk) 02:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

On this page, if you're just refreshing, caching will probably keep it the same unless you purge (); or it might change when someone comments somewhere. On the Main Page, the frequent purging by various actors takes care of that. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 03:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll add the randomized version, if no one minds. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Looks good to me, although the set isn't being transcluded properly at T:DYK/Q. Fixed. – Hilst [talk] 13:41, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@theleekycauldron: Not that it matters much, but will there be some way to make these count as only 12-/6-hour hooks (if on 24- or 12- respectively) at DYKSTATS? Since they'll average out to about that. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 16:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll note that this set should absolutely run for 24 hours, and I'll handle that when it comes up if need be. As for DYKSTATS... bleghh. I could code in some kind of override, but it'd probably be a bit hacky. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

IMHO, providing a fun experience for our readers trumps getting the statistics right. RoySmith (talk) 18:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

• There's April Fools-esque material at this nomination for the song "Obsessed" in case anything needs to get swapped out.--NØ 14:05, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

As theleekycauldron notes, we can run a single set for the day, and fit as many as we can (I think we've had as many as 11 hooks in a set, given that hooks for this day tend to be shorter), even if we're technically at two sets a day: we've had more sets or fewer sets for this day depending on what's been nominated and our frequency when the day comes around. It's also typical that not every hook nominated for April Fools runs on the day because not every one is prime AFD material. (In that case, they're put back on the Approved page and run later with one of the other approved hooks.) If the decision is taken to run two 12-hour sets, we could have the cat and dog hooks sharing the lead slot in both sets. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

how about we do a random item where either we have the dog in lead and the cat no. 2, or vice versa? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

That would be a better idea given that, unless the animals spread across two April Fools' sets, then they would only get half as long on the front page.--Launchballer 09:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I've boldly implemented this. Feel free to revert.--Launchballer 19:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

This implementation is breaking DYKUpdateBot User:Launchballer User:theleekycauldron. Shubinator (talk) 23:10, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Reverted. Shubinator (talk) 23:18, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Not an admin, so I can't help with things in queue, but that template was there before I started playing with it, all I did was adjust it so that both hooks appear at the same time (it didn't seem on that they only got "twelve" hours rather than 24).--Launchballer 23:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Now that the set has been moved to the Main Page, can the randomizer be put back? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 00:07, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

If the randomizer is added now, DYKUpdateBot may crash on the next DYK update; it parses the outgoing set as part of archiving & tagging the outgoing image. Shubinator (talk) 00:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

colin mackay

• article
• nomination
• set (already ran)

• nominator
• drafter
• reviewer
• promoter

i'm sorry for putting a damper on the fun here, but i wanted to note that i have misgivings about the current colin mackay hook. i am not sure if it is a good idea to make light of a living person mourning the death of a predecessor whom he respected, and although i understand that the phrase "very sad" is in quotes because those were the words that mackay used, the quotation marks could easily be misinterpreted as scare quotes mocking his grief instead, especially considering the date the hook is scheduled to run. to be clear, i don't think the hook needs to be pulled, but i think it could use a good reformulation. below is one possibility.

alt2a: ... that Colin Mackay, the political editor at Scottish Television, had words of praise for Colin MacKay, a former political editor at Scottish Television?

dying (talk) 01:59, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Nah, this is overthinking it. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I do think that putting "very sad" in quotation marks reads oddly. As MOS:QUOTEPOV explains, Use of quotation marks around simple descriptive terms can imply something doubtful regarding the material being quoted. I might suggest the following:

• ALT2B: ... that Colin Mackay, political editor at Scottish Television, was sad when Colin MacKay, political editor at Scottish Television, died?
• ALT2C: ... that Colin Mackay, political editor at Scottish Television, mourned the death of Colin MacKay, political editor at Scottish Television?

Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 02:08, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

ALT2B works, but it'd be better with a very Bremps... 05:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I did wonder if it was worth ending with the second Colin, so something like: "... that Colin Mackay, the political editor at Scottish Television, was saddened by the death of the former political editor at Scottish Television Colin MacKay?"--Launchballer 06:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

If we specify that one is the current and one is the former that would ruin the hookiness IMO. :( Bremps... 11:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Fair cop, how about "... that Colin Mackay, the political editor at Scottish Television, was saddened by the death of the political editor at Scottish Television Colin MacKay?"--Launchballer 13:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Queue 5

Hubertus, Hereditary Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

@Therealscorp1an, Gonzo fan2007, and AirshipJungleman29:

• ... that Prince Hubertus is the heir apparent to the head of the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, the royal dynasty to which Elizabeth II belonged?

After a ctr+f search, I could not find where Elizabeth II was mentioned in the article so I could not verify this hook. Z1720 (talk) 18:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

@Z1720: Really? I have been waiting for ages for this. This page may work as a better source? This page here does not directly state that Elizabeth II is a member of the House, but that can be inferred as the branch of the House in the United Kingdom was simply changed. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 21:46, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

@Therealscorp1an:, the hook fact and a supporting reference need to be included in the nominated article, see WP:DYKHOOK. Also, do independent, reliable sources say that Elizabeth II belonged to the the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha? If not the hook would need to be reworded or replaced. TSventon (talk) 22:26, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @TSventon:, if I can look in here—to answer your question, briefly, that would be a 'No'. The British royal family has not been legally associated with SCG since 1917, when the 'German connection' became an embarrassment (due in no small part to London being bombed by a new German plane also called the Gotha!). See e.g. Ironically, even the second 'source' Therealscorp1an provides (insufficient anyway as of course we can't infer anything, per WP:NOR) even notes that itself! ——Serial Number 54129 14:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Serial Number 54129:, I was aware that The British royal family has not been legally associated with SCG since 1917. It might be easier to source something like "a royal dynasty from which Elizabeth II descended".— Preceding unsigned comment added by TSventon (talk • contribs)

Way to copy and paste my own comment :D I think @Therealscorp1an: should be aware, though, that their hook is liable to be rejected on the grounds of misrepresentation. Cheers, ——Serial Number 54129 16:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

References

@TSventon and Serial Number 54129: Okay, we could change it to "a royal house that Elizabeth II descends from"? This may serve as a better hook. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:13, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@Therealscorp1an: I suggest that you post your amended hook here, add the amended hook fact and a supporting reference to the article, then ask Z1720 if they are happy with it. TSventon (talk) 23:59, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

• ... that Prince Hubertus is the heir apparent to the head of the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, a royal dynasty which Elizabeth II descended from?

@Z1720: Here is the new hook. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 06:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@Z1720: an amended hook fact has been added to the article, so you should be able to check it now. TSventon (talk) 11:10, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Is there a European royal dynasty that she isn't descended from? —Kusma (talk) 12:56, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

House of Zogu and House of Belgium (post 1920) spring to mind. Also House of Bonaparte. TSventon (talk) 13:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@Kusma:, @Z1720: hasn't responded, could you possibly check the amended hook? TSventon (talk) 19:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I prefer not to be involved further. The person has been found to be non-notable before, and I think I have done enough by removing some of the more fantastical content about the future head of a "house" that hasn't been "royal" for a century according to the laws of their country. —Kusma (talk) 20:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

You did good work Kusma. The whole Elizabeth thing is OR and synthesis, especially as the 'house' in question had effectively ceased to exist in any meaningful way by 1919. Now tagged, of course. ——Serial Number 54129 13:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Time to go to two sets a day?

According to WP:DYKROTATE, If we are at one set per day and immediately after the midnight (UTC) update finishes there are more than 120 approved nominations while at least ten prep/queue sets are filled, we rotate to two sets per day. Immediately after midnight an hour or so ago, we had five full queues, five full preps, and 169 approved nominations (144 on the list plus 25 that aren't transcluding and thus aren't counted by DYKHousekeepingBot in making the list). Many thanks to PMC and Z1720 for loading up the queues, and AirshipJungleman29, Bruxton, and Rjjiii for filling preps (the remaining two preps only have two blank hooks each).

Please note that this will mean that the April Fools prep set currently building in Prep 1 will need to be dismantled, since the available preps and queues will only cover what's left of March, whether we switch over at noon today or at midnight tomorrow. (If Prep 7 is promoted to queue, then we could move those 1 April hooks to the newly empty prep as a temporary measure.) There are no other special occasion hooks in the current queues and preps aside from April Fools, so no other hooks will need to be moved for date reasons. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I know this is probably be a bit of a selfish request, but if this is to be done, would it be possible to hold Fūka Izumi until after returning to one set a day? I rarely have hooks up these days, and when it does happen they tend to coincide with two-sets-a-day periods and so my hooks tend to only run for 12 hours instead of the usual 24. I won't mind if the request isn't granted, I was just wondering. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:41, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I always think that we should accommodate the wishes and desires of those who contribute heaps to DYK, as long as it's a reasonable request. Your request is fair enough. Schwede66 05:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Prep 4 has a 4 April request.--Launchballer 07:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Launchballer, thanks for noting that. Once we've switched over to two per day, I'll pull the hook back to the special occasions section for repromotion later this week. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

We don't have five full sets. Someone has filled up Prep 1, the April Fool's set, with non-related hooks. In any case, we will need to rotate back to a 24-hour-set purely for April 1. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29, was just going to post a message about the Fools' Day set. A number of the hooks in that prep area aren't in the planning space and the image isn't quite Fools-y (IMO, the ray cat is much better). Is this standard practice? Or will the hooks be switched out? Thanks! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 12:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

No, Bruxton did it by accident MyCatIsAChonk. See the section above. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: When we engaged 12 hour sets prep 1 was no longer April 1 so I moved the items back. But I see they were moved back to prep one again. Bruxton (talk) 15:24, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Bruxton User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates's history shows that 12 hour sets were not actually put into practice. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@DYK admins: An oversight I think. The preps will be full as soon as another queue is promoted. We will have to rejigger the preps when it is engaged and we see where it lands. It would be a shame if we freeze all of these nominations for six days just to accommodate April one. Bruxton (talk) 15:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I think I am correct in saying that if 12-hour-sets are engaged, the April Fool's set will be prep 7, which can be promoted and cleared now. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Not sure, so we may have to rejigger on the fly. Bruxton (talk) 16:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Rejigging would probably be easier if you didn't promote hooks to that set Bruxton. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Note to AirshipJungleman29: at the time I posted this section, there were five full queues and five full preps just after a midnight promotion, which is the key; the preps were Prep 7 and Preps 2 through 5, so it did qualify. Prep 1 was not full and not counted, and it was clearly going to have to move anyway; I assumed that one of the filled preps would be moved up to Prep 1 when things were reorganized ... as will presumably still be the case. We now have six full queues and five full preps, again excluding Prep 1 (Preps 2 through 6 are full), so we should have ten full ones after the next promotion in a couple of hours. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I've switched to 12-hour sets. Could prep builders please start moving the 1 April hooks out of Prep 1? Schwede66 02:50, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Which admin are available?

@DYK admins: When the switch happens, we will need more admins to help with promoting preps to queues. Please indicate below if you will be available (or not available) to help during the next few weeks. Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 15:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Should be available except for a couple days around the eclipse. —Ganesha811 (talk) 15:50, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Probably, I should be able to muck in. Good to see that the project is actually consulting on who's available now, rather than just switching to two sets a day blindly!  — Amakuru (talk) 16:02, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

For the record, I will be busy the next few weeks. I'll try to promote but can't make any commitments. Z1720 (talk) 21:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I won't have time to do full sets in one sitting but I can chip in reviewing individual hooks, thus making it easier for other admins to do the remaining hooks in a set. Schwede66 02:50, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I am still a bit burned out from the last round of 2/day updates (which coincided with a few days of bot outage) so I am not expecting to be of much help, if any. —Kusma (talk) 09:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Special occasion, again

With the switch to 2/day, my special occasion hook is now mis-scheduled. It's Template:Did you know nominations/Singh v Canada in Prep 4 and I'd like it held for 4 April, which I suppose means pulling it out of prep and back into the special occasion holding area at Template talk:Did you know/Approved#4 April 2024. Thanks. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Pulled. If someone could replace it while I'm out.--Launchballer 15:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Weird glitch at Template talk:Did you know/Approved

I was trying to find my nomination Template:Did you know nominations/Josef Weiss approved section and had no luck at first. I now have just noticed that all the approved noms dating from March 16 after the Full Personality Expression nom have been strangely truncated. This needs to be fixed, particularly to make images visible for promoters as they decide which pictures to select. The truncated links hide the images, hooks, and conversations from view. 4meter4 (talk) 23:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

That is due to the page exceeding WP:PEIS, which is why we're on two sets per day.--Launchballer 23:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

~190 nominations on a single page will do that. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

4meter4, there are a set of links near the top of wp:dykna that will allow you to view a subset of the approved nominations whenever the peis limit is exceeded. specifically, your nomination is currently viewable at the "Template talk:Did you know/Approved/week-2" page. dying (talk) 01:59, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Main page DYK now and Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2024/March#27 March 2024 don't match?

Right now (since 00:00 UTC 27 March), the main page DYK is showing the group beginning ... that Jean Schwartz and William Jerome (pictured) wrote more than 1,000 popular songs together? and I have received a bot notification to that effect. So I'm happy! .

But I suspect that the editors who contributed to the list at Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2024/March#27 March 2024 (beginning ... that while named for alliums, the fossil Paleoallium (pictured) was not necessarily directly related to any allium species?) may not be?

Or have I micsonstrued? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 00:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

DYKs are archived by the time :) they're taken off the main page theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

For the record, you're not the only one who finds this confusing, especially considering the talk page banners. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

It is super confusing I think I've actually reported this as a bug in the bot at some point. I understand why we have to do it this way, but we might need to try to document this better. —Kusma (talk) 11:02, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

JMF, if you are interested, more details on this issue can be found at wp:whyisrecentadditionsonedayoff. dying (talk) 01:59, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Queue 7

Petik and Sanos

• ... that influential Armenian merchants Petik and Sanos expanded the Armenian church in Aleppo, which was an illegal act in the Ottoman Muslim city?

(nom page: Template:Did you know nominations/Petik and Sanos)

Two things here. Firstly, I don't think the line "which was an illegal act in the Ottoman Muslim city" adheres to the rule that the hook fact must be clearly stated in the article and cited as such. I assume the line which is intended to cover this, is the one that reads "This large-scale restoration confirms the exclusive power of Petik and Sanos, since the expansion of Christian churches was prohibited by the Pact of Umar". This seems nowhere near as strong as saying that the expansion was "illegal", on the grounds that the city was "Ottoman Muslim". The Pact of Umar article suggests it's a rather vague thing whose origins are unknown, and the fact that the authorities sanctioned the expansion makes it seem like it probably wasn't illegal, at least not in a formal binding sense.

And secondly, it was raised at the nom page that the hook was confusing because it suggested that it was the Armenian church in general that was expanded, rather than a specific building. It seems like that issue has crept back in, because when I read the Armenian church in Aleppo I did not immediately infer that it was referring to a building. This is due to run on Friday, so unless a quick solution to the first issue is found, a postponement to a later date may be in order.

Pinging @Smpad, Alaexis, Mandarax, and AirshipJungleman29: who were involved with this hook.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

"which was an illegal act in the Ottoman Muslim city" does not mean "it was illegal because Aleppo was Ottoman Muslim", as you Amakuru have interpreted above, but rather "it was illegal. Also, Aleppo was Ottoman Muslim."

I would suggest not relying on a badly-written Wikipedia article in your reasoning; the sources used here are clear that it was illegal, and would have been enforced as such, had the Armenians not managed to gain a personal exemption from the Sultan. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:11, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: The hook fact needs to be clearly stated and cited in the article, per the DYK rules. Currently it is not, instead the hook is WP:SYNTHing several disparate points together. The article doesn't directly state that it was illegal, and anecdotally it seems an odd word to use for something that has received direct permission from the Sultan. But in any case, if the sources clearly state that it was illegal, then it shouldn't be difficult to have the article do so as well and we can probably move on from this. My interpretation doesn't really enter into that, although it does seem to me that by saying "which was an illegal act in the Ottoman Muslim city", you're directly or indirectly implying that the Ottoman Muslim status is related to the illegality, and the Pact of Umar is also one that relates to Muslim states.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

It appears I accidentally promoted the wrong hook, so sorry about that. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Wait, are you looking at the amended version?

“ ... that the influential Armenian merchants Petik and Sanos expanded the Armenian Church of the Forty Martyrs in Aleppo, in spite of Ottoman laws that banned new constructions and expansions of churches? ”

The source that describes these events says explicitly that "new construction of Christian space contravened Ottoman building regulations" (Semerjian). Alaexis_¿question? 11:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@Alaexis: Ah, it looks like maybe the wrong version of the hook was promoted... I think the version of the hook you mention is a lot better in terms of integrity with the article... my only comment would be that the "Ottoman laws that banned new constructions and expansions of churches" still isn't quite stated in the text. For one thing it mentions expansion only, not construction, and secondly, it is not said in the article that it's an "Ottoman law", merely that the Pact of Umar prohibits it. I think if we can add a cited line to the article stating directly that this was an Ottoman law being broken, and (if we want to retain that bit) also mentioning that it included new construction, then this will be good to go. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 12:11, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I've amended the article to clarify that the Ottoman building regulation was violated. I'm neutral regarding mentioning the new construction, feel free to remove that bit from the hook. Alaexis_¿question? 12:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@Amakuru please lmk if something else is needed. I'm not the nominator but I really liked the article and would like to make sure it gets to the main page. Alaexis_¿question? 22:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@Alaexis: thanks for the edits, and I think that's fine, I'm happy with it now. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

White-winged tapaculo

• ... that the white-winged tapaculo is named after Niels Krabbe, who discovered seven other species in its genus?

(nom page: Template:Did you know nominations/White-winged tapaculo)

Minor point really, but this hook struck me as odd at first - if the name of the insect is "white-winged tapaculo" then I would expect the "named after" to refer to that. But obviously "white-winged tapaculo" name is not derived from the name of Krabbe, instead we find when we drill down into the article that it's the scientific name that is named after him. I don't know if any clarification is needed, perhaps the consensus will be that this is fine, but just noting that I was momentarily confused by this when reading the hook by itself. @AirshipJungleman29, Pbritti, and AryKun: who were involved with the hook.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Maybe these would make it clear?

• ... that the scientific name of the white-winged tapaculo comes from Niels Krabbe, who discovered seven other species in its genus?
• ... that Scytalopus krabbei is named after Niels Krabbe, who discovered seven other species in its genus?

Of course, if consensus determines that the original hook is just fine then there's that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

" that the scientific name of the white-winged tapaculo comes from Niels Krabbe, who discovered seven other species in its genus?" The wording "comes from" might imply that Krabbe coined the name himself. It is more correct to say that "the scientific name of the white-winged tapaculo honors from Niels Krabbe, who discovered seven other species in its genus?" or that " that the scientific name of the white-winged tapaculo is derived from the name of Niels Krabbe, who discovered seven other species in its genus?" But your second suggestion is better than either of those.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:55, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@Khajidha and Narutolovehinata5: thanks for the responses. I've amended to use the second suggested alt. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 10:32, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Queue 2

In order not to go to Errors, I try here, regarding Queue 2:

• ... that Karsten Januschke's conducting of Offenbach's Die Banditen with 22 soloists, including 11 tenors, was described as "lean, dry, [and] delicate"?

This is the hook after shortening and improvements. I - with my limited English - am not sure if what the source says is captured closely enough. It says: "He played a lean, dry, delicate Offenbach", which tells me that he made Offenbach's music sound "lean, dry, delicate", - I'm not at all sure that it is an equivalent of his conducting being lean, dry, delicate, - have no idea what dry conducting would be. Also: the source has no "and", - why insert one in brackets? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Can you clarify how a conductor "made Offenbach's music sound "lean, dry, delicate" Gerda Arendt? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I seem to have a language problem: "He played a lean, dry, delicate Offenbach". What's "lean, dry, delicate" is Offenbach, not Januschke's conducting. Offenbach's music that is (short for). My understanding. And I don't know what a dry conducting would be ;) - When a winemaker makes a dry wine, it's the wine that's dry, described as dry, not the process of making is. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

So would it be possible for Offenbach's music to not be "lean, dry, delicate" Gerda Arendt? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand the question. Yes, of course. In his conducting, with a small orchestra, it was. In someone else's, with large forces, slow tempos, lack of dynamics, it would loose that quality, and could perhaps sound rich, powerful. It's the conductor who shapes the music, but "conducting" speaks - at least for me - of his signals to the orchestra, movements, eye contact, such things. The reviewer didn't refer to that, but described the result. I believe that we should do the same if we quote him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29 and Gerda Arendt: I think the shorter hook is preferable, but agree that bthe adjectives describe the music, not the conducting. Would it help to replace "conducting" with "version"? TSventon (talk) 17:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll be honest, I'm pretty confused as to the difference, so I'll bow out here. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, "version" would be better. I do have a language problem if the analogy of making the wine and the wine doesn't work. "Conducting" describes the process, or what he does to achieve the sound, - what does it mean to you, AJ? - The hook still doesn't tell us that this was a life performance, not a recording ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

To me, it encompasses everything, like a filmmaker's "directing". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. @AirshipJungleman29 and Gerda Arendt I think the quote in question clearly describing the sound of the ensemble which is being credited to Januschke's skills as a conductor. Dry is a term in sound description typically used by audio mixers in relations to the way sound is being picked up by a mic that has a very forward placement. It's possible the reviewer borrowed the term to mean the ensemble had a very forward sound. I conduct music as part of my job in the real world. I would suggest modifying the hook to say Alt "... that Karsten Januschke's conducting of Offenbach's Die Banditen was credited for the producing of a "lean, dry, [and] delicate" sound with an ensemble of 22 soloists, including 11 tenors?4meter4 (talk) 17:59, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Works for me, although "credited for the producing of" is a bit verbose. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
    • AirshipJungleman29 It's a way to indicate that the quote is an opinion and not a fact. I could have said "produced" if I had startted the sentence "according to one critic" which is a bit longer character wise.4meter4 (talk) 18:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
      • Perhaps "was described as producing"? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:10, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
        • Fine by me.4meter4 (talk) 18:13, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
          • So, when an admin takes a look: ... that Karsten Januschke's conducting of Offenbach's Die Banditen was described as producing a "lean, dry, [and] delicate" sound with an ensemble of 22 soloists, including 11 tenors? is I think a good change.
          • Or perhaps now take it to ERRORS and cite this discussion, Gerda. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
            • I hope for an admin. Will go to ERRORS if nothing happens after the next update. Amakuru? tlc? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

               Done. Let me know if any further tweaks required. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 13:39, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Older nominations needing DYK reviewers

The previous list of older nominations was archived a few hours ago, so I’ve created a new list of the first 37 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 18. We have a total of 315 nominations, of which 190 have been approved, a gap of 125 nominations that has decreased by 27 over the past 7 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations.

More than one month old

• February 11: Template:Did you know nominations/2023–24 College Football Playoff
• February 14: Template:Did you know nominations/1910 La Laguna's 1st Philippine Assembly district special election
• February 14: Template:Did you know nominations/Hypericum sect. Androsaemum (two articles)
• February 20: Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas S. Gathright
• February 22: Template:Did you know nominations/Frank Saddler
• February 23: Template:Did you know nominations/Postinflammatory hyperpigmentation
• February 24: Template:Did you know nominations/Thorpe, North Yorkshire
• February 25: Template:Did you know nominations/Herodian Quarter
• February 25: Template:Did you know nominations/Canadian Dental Care Plan

Other nominations

• February 29: Template:Did you know nominations/Rasmus Paludan
• February 29: Template:Did you know nominations/Euwallacea interjectus
• February 29: Template:Did you know nominations/Phaedon cochleariae
• March 1: Template:Did you know nominations/Kirby: King of Comics
• March 1: Template:Did you know nominations/Nebria brevicollis
• March 1: Template:Did you know nominations/Chrysochus cobaltinus
• March 2: Template:Did you know nominations/Wolvesey Palace
• March 2: Template:Did you know nominations/One Chun
• March 2: Template:Did you know nominations/Savungaz Valincinan
• March 3: Template:Did you know nominations/List of presidents of Centre College
• March 6: Template:Did you know nominations/1971 P.F. Barcelona season
• March 6: Template:Did you know nominations/Donna Taggart
• March 6: Template:Did you know nominations/Interstate 65 in Tennessee
• March 8: Template:Did you know nominations/Get Lost (organisation)
• March 8: Template:Did you know nominations/Kobe Bufkin
• March 10: Template:Did you know nominations/Andrew Tate
• March 11: Template:Did you know nominations/Drew Golz (three articles)
• March 11: Template:Did you know nominations/Darwin Rocksitters Club
• March 11: Template:Did you know nominations/Max Whitlock
• March 12: Template:Did you know nominations/Forever Young (horse)
• March 14: Template:Did you know nominations/Descendants of Christian IX of Denmark
• March 14: Template:Did you know nominations/Crossing a Line (book)
• March 15: Template:Did you know nominations/Syncletica of Alexandria
• March 16: Template:Did you know nominations/Max Eisenbud
• March 16: Template:Did you know nominations/Jacques Loew
• March 17: Template:Did you know nominations/Calamophyton
• March 17: Template:Did you know nominations/Enchylium conglomeratum
• March 17: Template:Did you know nominations/Nandipha Magudumana
• March 18: Template:Did you know nominations/Bajo de la Campana Phoenician shipwreck

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 19:07, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Easter Prep 6

I noticed that we are not running any Easter hooks. March 31 is prep 6 which now leads with Hell Gate Bridge. I have an approved 3:16 game hook which may be Christianity related. Lightburst (talk) 19:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

As it isn't Easter-related, there's no reason for it to be a special occasion hook on that date. Not every religious holiday needs to be celebrated at DYK. Three days before is not the time to go hunting for special occasion hooks for a particular date. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the message - does not have to be my hook. Since the holiday is still days away and there are 2.4 billion Christians in the world... maybe we can scare up one hook for the set? We spend quite a bit of effort for non-secular topics - but we made a great effort for Xmas. It is short time until Easter so I understand - admittedly I only just thoughtof Easter recently. Lightburst (talk) 23:17, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

I was asked on my talk, lengthy answer of frustration there. While I think I supplied a hook for each Easter so far since 2010, I still feel quite distant from DYK, so didn't this year. I looked over the nom page searching for something to approve, and the only one I found was Sodankylä Old Church. That seems to be close to an approval, and would make a better lead into an Easter set than something starting with "Hell", of all titles. If you like you can swap the Januschke hook (see above) into the Easter set, - it's not specifically Easter, but uplifting music, better suited to Easter than Good Friday (where it only landed because of the 2 sets per day). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Alternatively, the above section ("Older nominations needing DYK reviewers") lists several Christian or Christian-related hooks that we could also use. This would not be celebrating any religious holiday, but simply pushing up older topical hooks to an Easter-themed set in acknowledgement of the holiday. Viriditas (talk) 00:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm opposed to the idea. If they were about Easter, it would be one thing; this feels like deliberately pushing a religion on one of its holidays, which is something else. However, I'm one person, and one of the 70% of the world's population who isn't Christian, so perhaps I see things differently. As for the Januschke hook, I hardly feel that any hook about a "cheerfully amoral" Offenbach opera (per the article on Die Banditen) is appropriate for Easter! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I suppose that’s one way of perceiving it, but it’s not how I view it. I don’t see "Easter" as purely Christian, but rather as a shared cultural event rooted in pluralism that has many different interpretations, ranging from scientific (Spring Equinox), to pagan (Ostara), and all other interpretations found around the world. The ideal DYK set would not be focused on Christianity but would rather celebrate and highlight our global heritage in relation to this holiday from many different traditions, secular and religious. Viriditas (talk) 04:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

• Easter is not simple as the holiday covers several days and the calculations are complex and controversial. But I notice that TFA has been scheduling some religious articles at this time, including Royal Maundy, John Littlejohn and Order of Brothelyngham. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Agree that Easter is a rather significant holiday. Like Gerda, I too think we risk looking a bit clueless by leading with hell on Easter Sunday. I also remember that last year several editors talked about a Ramadan set. It is Ramadan now, and it will end on April 9, 2024 with Eid al-Fitr. Maybe we can get a few hooks together for that date? Bruxton (talk) 14:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Update: I moved the church to the prep 6 lead hook, and I moved Hell to Prep 4. Bruxton (talk) 14:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

A 10th for April Fools'

I approved/ticked Template:Did you know nominations/Obsessed (Olivia Rodrigo song) for 1 April. It either needs to be moved to Prep 7 if it can run in that set (which already has 9 hooks, most of them short), or sent back for re-review as the hooks are inappropriate for any other day. Thanks. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Instead of having 10 hooks, I would support moving Lianxing Temple, George E. Mylonas, or February 1983 North American blizzard to the quirky slot of another set as, to me, they are the weakest joke-y hooks in the set. Z1720 (talk) 14:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

@Z1720: I will move George E. Mylonas to prep 3. If anyone objects we can move it back. Bruxton (talk) 14:47, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree, Mylonas was by far the weakest of the set. I've promoted Obsession in its place.--Launchballer 15:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, all! BTW, I have another decent hook: ... that Ukrainian Sheriffs went to summer school after being shot?. I'd been expanding it for a contest and hadn't thought about the DYK until a few minutes ago. Needs review. It'll run on other days, though, I'm okay either way. – Reidgreg (talk) 19:24, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Process

I added Savika to Prep 4, but I’m pretty sure I did it wrong. Can someone step in and take a look? Zanahary (talk) 14:40, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I've removed it as you can't promote your own hook. Another user will come along and do it properly for you.--Launchballer 14:47, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I have checked the article and promoted it to prep. Bruxton (talk) 22:51, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Ramadan Eid al-Fitr WP:DYKSO

I am hoping to get several hooks for a Ramadan set or partial set. The date of April 9, 2024 (Eid al-Fitr) marks the end of the holy month. Last year we discussed doing a set or partial set. We have eleven days to get any articles through our processes and promotion. We may have just enough time to spiff up an article or write new content. Bruxton (talk) 22:50, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

@Bruxton: Any thoughts on articles you want to put into the set? Z1720 (talk) 22:59, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There are some articles we can clean up in the template. {{Ramadan}}. Several are short enough to expand. Bruxton (talk) 23:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I worked on expansion of Jumu'atul-Wida and I learned a few things. It will occur this year April 4-5. But I will likely nominate it and hope for April 9. Need to do a few QPQs to noiminate. Bruxton (talk) 01:43, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I am not an expert in Islam, so if any of our editors can look the article over that would be helpful. I just 5x expanded it and nominated it for April 9. The actual last Friday of Ramadan is April 5 but I was not sure we could get this through our processes and checks in time. Bruxton (talk) 16:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I have also expanded a second Ramadan related article about a television variety show. Fawazeer Ramadan. Bruxton (talk) 21:41, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Marcelle (musical) prep 6 hook error

This is one of my nominations. I didn't see the alt hook which was proposed by someone else and approved. It isn't accurate. The mention of a male character must be in the hook or it doesn't make sense factually. A barmaid isn't a partial trouser role. A barmaid masquerading as a male soldier is a partial trouser role. As it it stands I would call the current hook in the prep factually inaccurate and confusing. It should be pulled and alt hook that I proposed approved rather than this bad hook. @Bruxton I notice you promoted this. Could you please swap out with a different hook? 4meter4 (talk) 03:32, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It was a trim of your hook by Cielquiparle, but I will remove it as you request. Your hook had TMI and I agreed. Bruxton (talk) 03:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@Bruxton It was trimmed to the point of being confusing and factually inaccurate. The whole thing about the male soldier was cut which was essential to the factual accuracy of the"partial trouser role" fact. There's no such thing as a barmaid trouser role which is what the shortened hook was claiming. (that is a clearcut factual error) You can't trim out essential content when doing so transforms a hook from being accurate and precise into essentially nonsense with no intelligible meaning. In the trimmed version it was no longer clear that the character was switching gender roles, which was the whole point of the hook and what made it hooky.4meter4 (talk) 03:59, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation; Cielquiparle and myself were mistaken. Hopefully it gets sorted by the next promotor. Bruxton (talk) 14:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for resolving by proposing ALT hooks, @AirshipJungleman29, and hold your line next time @Bruxton. There is always a subjective element to DYK and I think your each having promoted ~1k of them counts for something. Appreciate you both. Cielquiparle (talk) 18:08, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Blacking out the page locally on eclipse day

A few days ago on this page (I can't find it now), I suggested the DYK part of the main page be blacked out in North America for the solar eclipse on the 8th of April. I got a few positive responses. Are there any admins here on board with my plan? Bremps... 11:47, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm opposed to having a localised Main Page. Also, isn't an eclipse more for ITN? —Kusma (talk) 16:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it's not as if Solar eclipse of April 8, 2024 is even anywhere near to Main Page quality, let alone new/expanded 5x. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:42, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose as this isn't a worldwide event, doesn't actually showcase DYK or benefit readers, and the article for this event isn't even DYK eligible. Also, pretty sure that different main pages for people based on location isn't even possible (or if it is, it's a lot of work and way outside the remit of DYK). Joseph2302 (talk) 00:07, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

At first glance I thought it may be interesting to black it out for the exact moment of greatest eclipse (UTC) 18:18:29. The article is not in ship shape as AirshipJungleman29 has said, so this may not work well. Lightburst (talk) 01:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

I think this is a cute idea; however I'm against it on technical grounds as it would affect readability and could inconvenience readers (I'm already not a fan of how many of our current dark mode appearances look). In addition, the other editors have a point in that this isn't a global event. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Unprotected image

@DYK admins: DYKUpdateBot couldn't update the template due to File:The old church of Sodankylä.jpg not being protected. Can someone fix this? – Hilst [talk] 12:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

OK, on it.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:29, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@DYK admins: @Hilst: actually, I can't be "on it" unfortunatley as it seems Krinklebot is down. We'll need a COmmons admin to protect the image. Does anybody know of one? I've uploaded the set with no image for the time being. About to have lunch so will do the credits later if nobody else does. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 12:43, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@DYK admins: red alert, the April Fools' set is on the main page for some reason! ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Fixed by Amakuru! In other news, the church image can now be used safely. – Hilst [talk] 13:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I've rolled that back, so the intended set is there again. It looks like Krinklebot kicked back into life again, and that prompted DYK bot to do an update. I'm not sure if I was supposed to do something to tell it not to act? I haven't done a manual promotion for a while... Anyway, since the pic is now protected I've added that in too. We'll need to wind back the queues again too before the next update, I'll do that shortly.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

For future reference:

• If performing a manual update, please follow the steps described in the "Manually posting the new update" section of the DYK queues. Not doing so can result in collisions between humans and bot, or between humans and other humans.
• As described by DYKUpdateBot, please follow these instructions if KrinkleBot is down - there's no requirement for a Commons admin to be around.
• The "random item" template in Queue 7 is crashing DYKUpdateBot. I'll start it back up, so the bot will update T:DYK, but will again crash before distributing credits for this set. Communicating special sets ahead of time can help us avoid these situations in the future.

Shubinator (talk) 23:08, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

I've reverted the "random item" template in Queue 7, so DYKUpdateBot should stay alive. Shubinator (talk) 23:20, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Queue 3

Biodiversity Impact Credit

@Pinkchiken, Silver seren, and AirshipJungleman29:

There are several uncited passages that will need citations. I have indicated these in the article with citation needed tags. Z1720 (talk) 14:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

I've added a few more tags in the lead for uncited facts mentioned there that don't seem to be in the body. This was a fairly glaring error IMHO, and no doubt just a rare oversight... but as a reminder it's the job of everyone: reviewers, prep builders and promoting admins alike, to ensure the hooks and articles meet the quality criteria. This triple check should ultimately provide some redundancy in ensuring the hooks are as good as we can get them, but ideally issues are spotted before they're in the queue and subject to the final check. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)