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*Hey Chris. I hope you're doing well. Regarding [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LDickinson_(WMF)&diff=prev&oldid=1219762603 this diff], I'd like to request that you avoid this type of communication in the future. It's really hard not to read that diff as "I wish I were talking to a man right now", which is a really mean thing to say to a woman. When I think of the impression I want the WMF to have of enwiki, I do not want that impression to be "the wiki that lets their editors say sexist things to our employees". WMF / enwiki relations have been improving, and this type of thing could be a major backslide. Thanks. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 19:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC) |
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*Hi Chris, can you explain what you meant by [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LDickinson_(WMF)&diff=prev&oldid=1219762603 this] recent comment to a WMF staffer? I ask because I interpreted it to imply “it would be better for a man to have your role” which would quite obviously not be appropriate. [[User:Firefly|<span style="color:#850808;">firefly</span>]] <small>( [[User talk:Firefly|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Firefly|c]] )</small> 20:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Welcome to the drive!
Welcome, welcome, welcome Chris troutman! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.
CactiStaccingCrane (talk)18:43, 1 February 2024 UTC [refresh]via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)
RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I
Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:
- Proposal 2, initiated by HouseBlaster, provides for the addition of a text box at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
- Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by Barkeep49 and Usedtobecool, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
- Proposal 5, initiated by SilkTork, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
- Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by BilledMammal, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
- Proposal 7, initiated by Lee Vilenski, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
- Proposal 9b, initiated by Reaper Eternal, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
- Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by City of Silver, Ritchie333, and HouseBlaster, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
- Proposal 13, initiated by Novem Lingaue, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
- Proposal 14, initiated by Kusma, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
- Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by Thebiguglyalien and Soni, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
- Proposal 16e, initiated by BilledMammal, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
- Proposal 17, initiated by SchroCat, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
- Proposal 18, initiated by theleekycauldron, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
- Proposal 24, initiated by SportingFlyer, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll.
- Proposal 25, initiated by Femke, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
- Proposal 27, initiated by WereSpielChequers, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
- Proposal 28, initiated by HouseBlaster, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.
To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her), via:
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If Jimmy wales isn't completely and utterly ashamed
Do you really, actually believe the bullshit big-pharma/corporate propaganda that's on the Robert Malone page right now? Or is someone paying you or controlling you in some other way to push these blatant lies? YOU ARE EITHER EXTREMELY STUPID, like Idiocracy level stupid, OR A PIECE OF SHIT LIAR AND ACCOMPLICE to probably the biggest and most cowardly crime ever committed against humanity in its entire history.
In these past 10 or so years ESPECIALLY since the covid pangimmick i've watched this wikishittia go from an ok-ish but extremely biased source for SOME forms of information on a few topics, to yet another complete shithole of a mouthpiece for globalist propaganda & lies just like all of mainstream media. If Jimmy wales isn't completely and utterly ashamed of what this has become, he very damn well SHOULD be. Delt01 (talk) 22:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Thanks
Sorry you had to get involved in the recent mess on my Talk Page. That's a downside of being a stalker! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull: No problem, at all. I'm a stalker by choice. (There's even an award for it!) Wikipedians should be free from harassment and it takes a team effort to enjoy a robust defense. I'm glad for your sake it was some harmless spam as opposed to the hate-filled vitriol our admins get. I don't get much drama on my own user talk so I find a few good watering holes where trouble congregates so I can get my fill when hungry. I've also found that deranged newcomers often think that they're successfully pressuring a single Wikipedian so when help shows up from out of the woodwork the offenders find themselves rightfully chastened. I, myself, enjoy the aid of those Wikipedians who stalk my user talk and I am grateful for that friendship. It turns out that it was me who welcomed you to Wikipedia almost six years ago, and you've been drawing the right sort of attention since then. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
A beer for you!
Thanks for your help with the edit request on Data breach! Buidhe paid (talk) 18:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
Data breach GA
Hi Chris, I note you took a careful look at Data breach while doing transfers of its old content. It has been nominated for a GAN, at Talk:Data breach/GA1. I thought I'd let you know in case you would like to make comments here or at that page (and to be clear this is a notification, not a request!). Best, CMD (talk) 14:11, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Nomination of Where is Kate? for deletion
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Where is Kate? (3rd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 11:43, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
My "partisan derangement"
Please, tell me about my "partisan derangement". You obviously don't like it, which reveals your bias. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 20:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I am against biased editors who allow their beliefs to drive editing, when it should be that a complete survey of sources drive our editing. More than once you've made claims of psychological projection which, I think, speak to your inability to persuade. If you don't like my responses you can file at WP:ANI. Otherwise, just admit you got in over your head and find somewhere else to edit. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Re-review
Hello Chris Troutman – I'm sorry if this is not the right place to do this, but I was told if I want my article about Betsy Taylor to be re-reviewed I should ask the original person who rejected it (you) to read it again. I have changed a lot of the language to both establish the subject's notability, add sources of people talking about her, and remove a lot of the content that was "peacocking." I would really appreciate you taking a second look at it, thank you so much. Jeanvaljeanjacket (talk) 17:39, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Jeanvaljeanjacket: I get the sense that you did not carefully follow the instructions I already provided. I should not have to repeat myself. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:14, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I did my best to follow your past instructions and those changes are reflected in my latest version. As you suggested, I removed all the external links, removed many citations that were from articles she wrote or was quoted in, and removed language to suggest that this is a vanity project. I am not sure what else to do to prove her notability – I would think that her inclusion in United Nations conferences on topics that she helped develop, interviews on national news sites like CBS, and multiple published books would be sufficient, but maybe I am just missing something. I don’t mean to make you repeat yourself, and I am just genuinely at a loss! Thanks. Jeanvaljeanjacket (talk) 18:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Jeanvaljeanjacket: Yes, you did those two things. What else I had said explained that notability on Wikipedia is not what you think it is. The boards she sat on don't matter. Where she went to school does not matter. What TV shows she was on doesn't matter. You might think that they would matter but I'm telling you Wikipedia does not care. We need significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources, so that excludes all her employers and any interviews, appearances, or publications of hers. Sources like what she published (her website, The Grist piece you cite, her contributor bio at HuffPost) are all unallowable. Citations like this page from The Summer Chronicle does not even mention her. So you have no claim of notability, which is why I rejected you submission with no hope of appeal instead of simply declining your submission so that you could re-submit with changes. I posit Betsy Taylor won't be notable until we have obituaries published. I'm not saying that to be dismissive or macabre; most people will never be notable and the few that are won't have sufficient source material until after they are dead. I don't see a way this could be published so you should find something else to write about. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I did my best to follow your past instructions and those changes are reflected in my latest version. As you suggested, I removed all the external links, removed many citations that were from articles she wrote or was quoted in, and removed language to suggest that this is a vanity project. I am not sure what else to do to prove her notability – I would think that her inclusion in United Nations conferences on topics that she helped develop, interviews on national news sites like CBS, and multiple published books would be sufficient, but maybe I am just missing something. I don’t mean to make you repeat yourself, and I am just genuinely at a loss! Thanks. Jeanvaljeanjacket (talk) 18:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Notice of vandalism
Notice of vandalism, intentionally inflammatory headlines, unsourced content Pixel-Lead453 (talk) 21:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think that the intention here was to warn you that the editor reported you at WP:3RRN. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 21:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Russ Woodroofe: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SergeS18 Chris Troutman (talk) 21:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for that. Indeed, I should have started the SPI myself, but they are so overworked there, and I hadn't made the connection with earlier accounts. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 21:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Russ Woodroofe: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SergeS18 Chris Troutman (talk) 21:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Sexism
- Hey Chris. I hope you're doing well. Regarding this diff, I'd like to request that you avoid this type of communication in the future. It's really hard not to read that diff as "I wish I were talking to a man right now", which is a really mean thing to say to a woman. When I think of the impression I want the WMF to have of enwiki, I do not want that impression to be "the wiki that lets their editors say sexist things to our employees". WMF / enwiki relations have been improving, and this type of thing could be a major backslide. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Chris, can you explain what you meant by this recent comment to a WMF staffer? I ask because I interpreted it to imply “it would be better for a man to have your role” which would quite obviously not be appropriate. firefly ( t · c ) 20:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)