Talk:Vs. (Pearl Jam album)

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• All song titles serve as redirects to this album, have their own pages, or have been placed at the appropriate disambiguation pages.--Hraefen ^Talk 18:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Allbum Name

Someone PLEASE explain why its called Vs.! I don't see that in the cover, spine, back, booklet, or CD. So why isn't it selftitled? Redwolf24 7 July 2005 04:49 (UTC)

It does in fact say "Vs." next to "Pearl Jam" on the jewel case spine. --Kevin McManus 20:36, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Don't see it. Redwolf24 11:00, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

I scanned a copy: Vs. case spine --Kevin McManus 21:16, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

This is interesting. It's not on the cover of the CD I have here, so maybe there are different versions? Straal 22:37, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

In Utero

"Vs.'s competing album In Utero by Nirvana sold half as much as much as Vs. due to it's continous noise songs"

This sort of thing doesn't belong in any article. For a few reasons. It's inaccurate, 7 mil vs. 5 mil does not equal half as much. Why is it a competing album? This should be noted. "due to it's continuous noise songs" is without any source, completely biased, and also untrue.

Most Sold in a week

"Pearl Jam will always hold the title for most albums sold in the first five days" - I have changed this as it reads like a prediction; changing to "still hold the record"... problem is, this may not be true. Who knows if those f*cking boy band albums sold more copies in their first five days?

Look unless someone can come up with a source that backs that they sold most album in a week it should be removed from the article. Honestly I think U2 sold over 1 million copies in their first week back in the 80s with their Joshua Tree.--70.129.55.17 08:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

a nod to...

the "Album Title" section uses the phrase "a nod to" twice in two sentences. its anoyying. go figure :)... why is this in a box ?????? im confused sorry121.217.241.224 (talk) 09:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Vs. (Pearl Jam album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Lead

• "Vs. is the second album" Should that be studio album?
  • Well, even if we're not going by studio albums, it's still their second album.-5- (talk) 00:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
• "Ten (1991)" I'd be tempted to alter this to "Ten, released in 1991,"
• "the longest duration by a Pearl Jam album" Perhaps "for" a Pearl Jam album?
  • Adressed.-5- (talk) 00:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Recording

• "The first week of recording produced "Rats", "Blood", "Go", and "Leash" before the band hit a lull" Do you have a ref for this?
  • Addressed.-5- (talk) 00:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Music

• "The songs on the album tackle personal as well as social and political concerns. Topics on the album include child abuse ("Daughter"), gun culture ("Glorified G"), police racism ("W.M.A."), and the media ("Blood")." This sentence seems to sum up the rest of the paragraph. I would be tempted to put most of this in the lead, but also explain the police racism and media topics in this section.

Release

• "first released some time in the late 1990s" very informal. If you don't know the exact date, simply put "first released during the late 1990s"
  • Addressed.-5- (talk) 15:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
• "Had Soundscan counted all seven days, the album would have sold more than 1,000,000 copies in its first week." Have you got a reference for this?
  • I never added this sentence, so I don't know where the editor who added this got his or her information from. This sentence was there before I really got to work on this article. I have no problem removing the unreferenced stuff if it could be a problem.-5- (talk) 00:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Imagery

• Do you know why they decided against naming the album "Five against one"?
  • I believe I read that they didn't want focus to be placed on any one particular song, because that line comes from the song "Animal", but I can't remember where I read this.-5- (talk) 00:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
• Do you have references for all the differences?
  • Most, if not all of the information could probably be attained from pjcollectors.com.-5- (talk) 00:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Vs Tour

• What are scalpers? Is there a wikilink?
  • Ticket scalpers. I went ahead and linked it to ticket resale.-5- (talk) 00:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Outtakes

• Do you have a ref for Whipping being cut? Do you know why it was cut?
  • I don't know why it was cut. The song was debuted on May 13, 1993, the same time as the other songs from Vs. The version of the song from the Vs. sessions can be found at gremmie.net.-5- (talk) 00:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Chart positions

• I'd be tempted to add an extra column to the position tables to put the specific refs in, rather than have a long list at the top.
  • The Ten and Vitalogy articles have the same thing, and they're listed as good articles.-5- (talk) 00:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
    • I'd recommend doing it to all the Pearl Jam album articles; it makes it more convenient for readers to find citations. WesleyDodds (talk) 05:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
      • Addressed.-5- (talk) 07:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

General

• Where relevant, I would wikilink songs when they're first mentioned as well as the track listing section.
  • Addressed.-5- (talk) 00:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
• Numbers and their units should be separated with non-breaking spaces, e.g. 950,378 copies.
  • Addressed.-5- (talk) 15:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

A bit to do, but nothing substantial, so I'll put it on hold. Peanut4 (talk) 00:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Re-review

• (Lead) "Ten (1991)" I'd be tempted to alter this to "Ten, released in 1991,"
  • Addressed.-5- (talk) 01:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
• (Music) "The songs on the album tackle personal as well as social and political concerns. Topics on the album include child abuse ("Daughter"), gun culture ("Glorified G"), police racism ("W.M.A."), and the media ("Blood")." This sentence seems to sum up the rest of the paragraph. I would be tempted to put most of this in the lead, but also explain the police racism and media topics in this section.
• (Release) "Had Soundscan counted all seven days, the album would have sold more than 1,000,000 copies in its first week." Have you got a reference for this?"
  • No. I went ahead and removed it.-5- (talk) 04:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
• (Imagery) The differences section needs referencing.
  • Addressed.-5- (talk) 04:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Most of it is the points that haven't been addressed up till now. Some of the other points are fine at GA stage. Peanut4 (talk) 22:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

I'll pass it, but as per my comments above, I think some of the issues tackled in the songs, should be in the lead, and then more in depth analysis in the main body of the article. Maybe an idea for expansion if you wanted to take this article any further. Also could do with more images. But otherwise, looks okay. Well done. Peanut4 (talk) 14:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

USA Today review

Transcription using Google News Advanced News Archive Search. USA Today (Gundersen, Edna. 01.D. October 15, 1993) review of Vs. (1993):

Crunching and melodic, raw and graceful, mystical and visceral, Pearl Jam's Vs. (#### out of four), due Tuesday, outscores the band's remarkable debut, Ten, and eclipses the new In Utero by sainted Seattle trio Nirvana. Vs. is no grunge grudge match between Northwest titans. It confronts uncomfortable truths, buried pain and Generation X angst. Charismatic singer Eddie Vedder's stream-of-consciousness rants are driven by an emotional honesty and cathartic intensity absent in much of pop today. "Escape is never the safest way," he wails on Dissident. His feral slurring on Animal and sandpapery shriek on Blood improve on stock rock hollering, and his earnest snarling absolves the preachy tone on Rats (better than humans because they "don't scab, they don't fight, don't oppress an equal's given rights"). Vedder's quavery tenor is equally potent reined in, whether expressing the anguish of a little girl on Daughter (a counterpart to Jeremy), suicidal ruminations on Rearviewmirror or the calm sorrow of an Elderly Woman Behind the Counter in a Small Town. Go pulsates with a menacing bass line. Funk-edged tribal rhythms propel W.M.A., an anti-racism song about a white male American who "won the lottery by being born." It's Pearl Jam vs. a cruel world. Spell that verses.

— Edna Gundersen

Dan56 (talk) 00:11, 27 September 2009 (UTC)