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Ramzi Najjar

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other than his death, this Najjar (and it's previous iterations) are not notable and have received no meaningful coverage. Just a guy doing his job that died, nothing more. BEACHIDICAE🌊 22:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:23, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Run-of-the-mill author. A draft should speak for itself as to how the subject is notable. This article does not establish general notability or author notability. I have not checked the references because that is not necessary because the draft as written does not speak for itself. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Robert McClenon Can you please review the sources I have added after this nomination? This person is different from draft one as you've noted below. There are many more sources in Arabic language (see his Arabic Wikipedia page). Thanks. Störm (talk) 10:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - There are two run-of-the-mill authors with the same name, one living. See also Draft:Ramzi Najjar. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This draft does not speak for itself in terms of establishing notability. There is a myth in Wikipedia that adding references is the key to acceptance of a draft. References are a necessary but not a sufficient condition. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Most of the references are reports of his death. Others are interviews or passing mentions.

Delete - please delete page. Some Storm went in and changed the details from my name to another Ramzi Najjar who is deceased. 178.135.8.46 (talk) 08:45, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

	Reference	Comments	Independent	Significant
1	Lbcgroup.TV	Death report	Yes	No
2	AZM University	Death report	Yes	No
3	Dailystar.com.lb	Account of a corporate proxy fight	Yes	No
4	Arabadonline.com	Passing mention of subject	Yes	No
5	Arabadonline.com	Interview	No
6	Dailystar.com.lb	Statement by subject	No
7	Annahar.com	Death report in Arabic	Yes	No
8	Arabadonline.com	Obituary	Yes	No
9	Alraimedia.com	Death report in Arabic	Yes	No
10	Annahar.com	Obituary in Arabic	Yes	No
11	nna-leb.gov.lb	Report of book signing (in French)	Yes	No
12	Elfann.com	Death report in Arabic	Yes	No
13	Arabadonline.com	Report of death in French	Yes	No

Robert McClenon (talk) 04:01, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ - please delete page. Some Storm went in and changed the details from my name to another Ramzi Najjar who is deceased. 178.135.8.46 (talk) 08:47, 1 June 2021 (UTC) struck as an obvious duplicate of the entry made by 178.135.8.46 Meters (talk) 06:49, 2 June 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Keep - easily passes WP:GNG. He was a notable figure in Arab world. With a simple search I found some additional sources [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. Thanks. Störm (talk) 15:08, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yet again, you've missed the point. These are all 1E. He died. There's no coverage before his death. BEACHIDICAE🌊 15:14, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't done WP:BEFORE and yet claiming there is no coverage before his death? I have no words for this. Störm (talk) 15:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Obituaries are not sufficient to establish WP:BIO notability. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 16:08, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 15:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I don't think BLP1E applies. It would apply if the death notices were because of some unusual way to die, but the obituaries instead detail a long and varied business and media career, which clearly surpasses 1E. I haven't looked closely at all the sources, because I have monolingual issues, but what I can see seems to be obituaries run by organizations to which he contributed, (a school, a magazine), so I'm not sure they're really independent. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 15:27, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comment. Many are independent as summarized by User:Robert McClenon above. Störm (talk) 17:06, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I should change my assessment to Maybe Independent, but it doesn't matter because they are not significant. Many of them are not even obituaries, but only death reports. And he died the same number of times that most of us will eventually die. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - some interviews of Najjar - 02/04/2012 interview on MTV Lebanon, 03/04/12 radio interview, 30/05/12 interview on Al Arabiya, 11/04/12 radio interview, April 2012 interview on Al Yawm TV, a tribute to Najjar services by Voice of Lebanon, another tribute by MTV, funeral and much more coverage is available here. @Robert McClenon:, @Ohnoitsjamie: if they want to change their vote. Thanks. Störm (talk) 17:30, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
--Please delete as the person on the page is not Ramzi Najjar bur rather known as Ramsay Najjar or Ramzi Al-Najjar--
--Please rename the page to Ramsay Najjar or Ramzi Al-Najjar--
--Please note that Storm took over my page deleted my information as Ramzi Najjar Author and used it for Ramsay G. Najjar-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.135.11.120 (talk) 19:06, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a reason for delete, that's a reason for rename - if you can back this claim with reliable sources. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 18:44, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All references are in the name of Ramsay Najjar or Ramzi Al-Najjar even in Arabic which is different from the page name Ramzi Najjar
Keep It passes WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Notable. --Wildhorse3 (talk) 19:07, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - found another, Ramsay Najjar, les mots pour arme (in French) published in L'Orient-Le Jour. Thanks. Störm (talk) 09:36, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]