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[1] Can someone add? Thanks

Gentle reminder

Hi all,

This is a gentle reminder that the Epoch Times remains under discretionary sanctions per the Falun Gong arbitration decision. I see some new political editors attempting to make major changes (such as eliding the well-established far-right character of the Epoch Times as a publication from the lede) and thought it'd be politely to point out that, in cases of articles under discretionary sanctions, edit warring is met with very little leeway and it's always wisest to discuss potentially controversial changes at talk carefully before editing. Simonm223 (talk) 16:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccurate use of far-right label

The far-right label needs to be removed. What makes the Epoch Times (ET) a far-right media company? 10 of 11 cites to that label all come from media sources, they all seem to be repeating the Daily Beast's characterization which was made from the perspective of a viewpoint, not a fact.

From a quick search of far-right and far-right on the Daily Beast website, you can see that the latter label is thrown around brazenly towards various conservatives. If they are all far-right, what far-right organisations are they from? There is no substance to this claim.

Even under Wikipedia's definition of far-right the label is not accurate. You could say ET comes across as anti-communist at times. But by that token, you would have to affix the label far-right to a lot more people. Martin Luther King Jr, a well-known Christain was anti-communist. “Communism and Christianity are fundamentally incompatible,” he said, adding “cold atheism wrapped in the garments of materialism, communism provides no place for God or Christ.” <ref> https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/communism <ref>

I could give many more examples. Wikipedia does not provide the factual basis for the label far-right on the ET page.

If this inaccuracy is the starting point of the page then what else is inaccurate. Aside from taking 'sides' Wikipedia needs to provide evidence of what makes ET far-right since the far-left label is not used for certain media companies that align the communist groups.

If you'd like to provide an accurate representation of ET you could say they emphasize human rights issues predominantly the persecution of Falun Gong pratitioners in China, as well as Uyghurs.

Anon 149.167.130.226 (talk) 01:14, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done no reliable sources provided to support changes to the description of this publication. Simonm223 (talk) 13:38, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it's not far-right. What reliable source can prove a publication is *not* something? Isn't the onus on the claimant to provide proof of the claim? If the article says far-right, it should have a reliable citation, which it does not. "Far-right" should be removed until (and if) it can be proven. Cdnshipsnote (talk) 18:13, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently you didn't read any of the cited sources yet you offer your unfounded opinion. Binksternet (talk) 19:15, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Change far-right to Conservative. Mmmcse75 (talk) 18:33, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

>Change far-right to Conservative. This is more a more accurate description of the media company's political bias and pro-democracy stance. The term far-right is reserved for hate speech and domestic terrorist organizations. Mmmcse75 (talk) 18:34, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lots of sources currently cited describing the Epoch Times as far-right. Also, that term is not reserved as you claim. Cannolis (talk) 19:35, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Right wing?

Wikipedia's page describing far-right politics does not include the Epoch Times. Wikipedia's page describing right-wing politics would be closer to the editorial stance taken by the Epoch Times? dmode (talk) 07:55, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is no requirement on Wikipedia for the far-right article to discuss The Epoch Times. Frankly, The Epoch Times is not important enough to mention there. Here at this article, everything about The Epoch Times is much more important. And we have multiple high-quality sources describing the newspaper as far-right. Binksternet (talk) 19:15, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The reference to “far right” should be removed from the intro.

Here is the into to “The New York Times”:

“The New York Times is an American daily newspaper based in New York City with a worldwide readership.[7][8] It was founded in 1851, by Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, and was initially published by Raymond, Jones & Company. [9] The Times has since won 132 Pulitzer Prizes, the most of any newspaper,[10] and has long been regarded within the industry as a national "newspaper of record".[11] It is ranked 18th in the world by circulation and 3rd in the U.S.[12]

The paper is owned by The New York Times Company, which is publicly traded. It has been governed by the Sulzberger family since 1896, through a dual-class share structure after its shares became publicly traded.[13] A. G. Sulzberger and his father, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr.—the paper's publisher and the company's chairman, respectively—are the fifth and fourth generation of the family to head the paper.[14] Since the mid-1970s, The New York Times has expanded its layout and organization, adding special weekly sections on various topics supplementing the regular news, editorials, sports, and features. Since 2008,[15] the Times has been organized into the following sections: News, Editorials/Opinions-Columns/Op-Ed, New York (metropolitan), Business, Sports, Arts, Science, Styles, Home, Travel, and other features.[16] On Sundays, the Times is supplemented by the Sunday Review (formerly the Week in Review),[17] The New York Times Book Review,[18] The New York Times Magazine,[19] and T: The New York Times Style Magazine.[20]”

As you can see, there is no mention of their political leaning in any direction, let alone the first sentence. It violates NPOV and gives Undue Weight to sources that are trying to “other-ize” the paper, especially since I can find more than ten reliable sources, including the New York Times, that call the Epoch Times "conservative", in the sense of "American conservative". The statement that they are “far right” is highly sourced and has a place in the text, not the intro. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:04, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The sense of "American conservative" includes the far right, thats one of the things that makes it American. Other political systems have more separation between various ideologies. Not really sure we can compare a real newspaper and the propaganda arm of a fringe religious sect. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:37, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But that’s my point, we can’t “compare” them, it’s not our opinion that counts. There is no opinion in the New York Times intro, there should not be in this newspaper either. Neutral point of view, since it doesn’t matter what we think. It’s either standard to label a newspaper with its ideological leanings in the intro, or it isn’t, it shouldn’t be one way for one and another because ::shrug:: Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:29, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]