User talk:Abductive

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Samuel Sparshott

Hi Abductive, and best wishes of the season to you.

I've been trying to sort out a bit of a muddle with the sources in the above article. There was originally nothing wrong at all with the sources themselves, except that a lot of them needed the parameter "|url-access=subscription", which I have now added. However, before I could do that, I had to remove quite a lot of archive urls which you had added - I think in error?

Those archive urls were useless because in each case anyone who did not have a subscription to the website still could not access the source, and they still had to subscribe. You did also add an archive for the url of one other site, which was already publicly available, and was not a deadlink, and your new archive url lost the picture, which was the most important reason for that source. I am normally happy with your edits on articles which are on my watchlist - I'm not sure what happened this time. Maybe it was my fault by not originally marking the references "subscription only"? Anyway, all the best. Storye book (talk) 13:08, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

A lot of people dislike the archive urls added by Iabot, and it seems that Citation bot disliked those particular ones as well. I have put the bots=deny template in the article. Abductive (reasoning) 16:57, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Much appreciated. Storye book (talk) 17:52, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Re: Cote, West Sussex (diff). Please would you kindly explain this edit to me? I can understand that an archived url can be of use in WP if it's an old article, and you are rescuing a url which has moved or has been lost. But what use is it when the bot's newly-added archive url just leads to the front page of a subscription website, just like the original url still does, for non-subscrtibers? For those of us with a subscription, the original url still leads to the citation as required. But the bot's new citation helps nobody - neither the subscribers nor the non-subscribers, I use subscription sites for citations all the time. Would it help if I went through all "my" created articles and added a bot=deny template to all of them? I'm not sure how all this works. Storye book (talk) 09:21, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

It's an interesting question. When you last edited the Cote, West Sussex article, there were a number of archived sources that led to a subscription paywall, which as you say, is sub-optimal. When I set IABot to work on the article, it inserted a number of links to web.archive.org which showed the websites being archived within a web.archive.org header, leaving the main links as it found them. With the existing links to a subscription site, it appears to have added an archive link that also leads to the subscription site. I believe that even if the archived webstite dies, these archived pages will still be available to Wikipedia readers. I suspect that this is the desired behavior of IABot, should we go to the bot's talk page and make further inquiries? Abductive (reasoning) 11:03, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

And, when I set Citation bot to work on the article just now, it removed nearly all archive links to the subscription-only britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk. Abductive (reasoning) 11:14, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for that. Hopefully, it will now be less confusing for the reader. Storye book (talk) 17:22, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

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Pilgrims' Cross, Holcombe Moor

I have just entered the above article for DYK, where it will probably attract citation bots, as my previous few DYK entries did. As you know, that was a nightmare, because I use mostly subscription-only sources, such as the British Newspaper Archive (BNA). And as you have also seen, the problem with that is that the citation archive bot can only provide paywall urls which may be useful to US readers (who knows?), but the bot's paywall locks out people like me, who have paid subscriptions. The same for British local library paywalls, to which British library ticket holders have free entry, using their library ticket number - and the bot locks us out of that as well (that source includes Who's Who, The Times, etc.).

So - what I'm asking here, is: is there any way that we can put a template on that kind of article (or those kinds of citations) which will keep the bot away? Or alternatively - is there any way of adding a request to articles like mine, requesting bot-controllers to individually check out each of the bot's new archive url's to make sure that they are not paywalls which are useless to Brits who need to curate those articles by making sure that they remain true to the sources?

Sorry to bother you with this, but the problem has been taking me ages to sort out each time, and I guess it must be a bother to you, as well. Thank you for your patience with all this, and for your hard work sorting it all out previously. Storye book (talk) 17:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure, its {{bots|deny=Citation bot}}, I put it in the article for you. Abductive (reasoning) 20:11, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much indeed. I shall add the template to one or two of "my" other articles. Storye book (talk) 10:17, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

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