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Real/Fictional Placement

It seems to me, as an encyclopedia article, not a "Who's Who in the DC Universe" fictional comic bio, that Fictional Character Biography should come after Publication History as it reflects the conceptual and real world development of the character which is the primary purpose of an encyclopedia article. If you were doing a report or article on the character, the fictional biography, which is generally pretty fluid and often reflects what is currently written as canon to the character, isn't the primary information that you'd be looking for. I'm not arguing that it shouldn't be included. But the Publication History and real world facts should take precedence over it. beanlynch 15:25, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

Moore Vandalism

This section is entirely untrue: He also caused some significant controversy by having young (assumed by many to be underage) Kate Chappel fall in love with the Swamp Thing. During her confession to him, she uttered the well-known line, "You aren't ugly. Your face is just... complex. I like it." There was never a character in Swamp Thing called Kate Chappel, nor did the series ever deal with underage love.


Vandalism?

Are the two lines on the page stating "Also, the Swamp Thing was a well known homosexual." vandalism? I see no citations supporting that claim and quite a lot contradicting it. Not being ... intimately... familiar with the character's history, though, I thought I should ask. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.3.130.207 (talk • contribs) 19:48, February 15, 2007 (UTC)

Yep, it was vandalism. Actually, for a shambling mass of rotting vegetation/humanoid manifestation of the plant kingdom, Swampy is surprisingly heterosexual. (There's an Alan Moore story in which he "pollenates" with Abby for pretty much the whole issue.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 23:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quest of the Elementals

I think "Quest of the elementals" is merely misunderstood. The artwork isn't poor.The artwork isn't Breccia, and alot of fans like this particular series.

No, Quest is regarded by most fans as the series' low point.

Citation needed regarding "most fans". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sterlingjones (talk • contribs) 01:15, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Plot summary

I cut the following section, titled "Key plot lines under Alan Moore". It has style problems, but more than that, it only describes a single plot line (or maybe one and a half). If someone really wants to do a summary of the whole series, go ahead, although there are plenty of fan sites for that. ←Hob 19:10, 2005 Feb 26 (UTC)

After the revelation that he is not human in 'The Anatomy Lesson' Swamp Thing Returns to Louisiana. SW's relationship with Abigail Arcane deepens, but it turns out she has been engaged in an incestuous relationship with her own uncle (disguised as her husband, who has secretly been killed). Abigail's soul is sent to hell, but in an issue modelled on Dante's Inferno, SW follows Abigail, encountering characters such as The Spectre en route, and eventually rescues her.

Just as a note, the "Saga of the Swamp Thing" link now redirects to this artice, making it a recursively pointless mess. I can only assume there was once a seperate page for this storyline/comic. I don't know much about it myself so I'm not touching it, though I assume the best thing to do is just change the link to normal text. Just a heads up to the editors working on this page.--Lord Shitzu 12:33, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

Gerber and Wein

Can anyone verify the circumstances I mention in the article - I remember reading it somewhere years ago, but I can't recall where. Lokicarbis 05:39, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

Googling their names and "roommates" produced this article on Cinescape, which is an interview of Gerber. However, it's Gerry Conway who is roommates with Wein, and Gerber was responsible for rewriting Man-Thing in order to be different from Swamp Thing. I'll fix that part in the article. --Grumpyhan 16:43, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ah, many thanks for your correction. Lokicarbis 05:58, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
An article in Comic Book Artist noted that the Alec Holland origin is much closer to the Man-Thing origin than the Alex Olsen origin, and, of course, the Alec Holland origin came five months after Man-Thing. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 15:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Collections?

With four series and so many authors, is there a coherent set of trade paperbacks available for this series? Is anyone up to the task of cataloguing them? Has someone done so already? If I want to get into the series, where's a good place to start? Moore's run kicked off the whole British Invasion of the 1980s, right? grendel|khan 16:44, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)

Added Collections of existing TPBs. (I am not sure if the 4th series has been collected beyond Bad Seed) -Grumpyhan 16:13, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Solomon Grundy

Solomon Grundy's origin is very similar to the Heap and he was introduced at DC not long after the Heap in the early 40's. Grundy has appeared in recent years in Robinson's Starman and in some memorable episodes of Justice League Unlimited. He deserves a page of his own, but I don't have time to dig out my old Green Lantern/Starman reprints.

Yes, and in one of Rick Veitch's Swamp Thing storylines, Grundy almost becomes Swamp Thing's successor. (That whole bit was probably totally mystifying to anyone who wasn't familiar with DC's long history of odd characters, but the same is true of much of Moore's DC writing, not to mention Neil Gaiman...) ←Hob 15:18, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)

POV-Check

Somebody's done some tremendous work on this article, and it's great except for the multiple occasions where it strays into aesthetic judgments. I fixed a couple of them, but I'm not familiar enough with the series to get them all. Could somebody take a look at this? -leigh (φθόγγος) 03:35, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How about now? Remove the POV tag if you agree. I also trimmed a bit of stuff that looked redundant/irrelevant to me, hopefully not too much. And I thought the intro paragraph needed at least a brief description of the character and a mention of Moore, who's still probably the most famous writer of the series. ←Hob 17:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Portuguese/Brazilian monster - same or different?

"Related creatures" says "Monstro do Pântano" is a similar but unrelated character from Brazil, created before Swamp Thing. But someone's added a "Monstro do Pântano" article to the Portuguese wiki (with an interlanguage link from Swamp Thing), and it's just a translation of Swamp Thing. Huh? ←Hob 17:24, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

World Elemental

There's a bit of a jump in the "Mark Millar" section between "Swampy says humanity sucks" and "world elemental". As written, it implies an intent to wipe out humanity once he achieves World Elemental status, without explaining that he doesn't do so or why. I'll try to improve on it sometime soon, unless someone wants to tackle it first. -- Slaarti 03:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There. I think that should cover it. -- Slaarti 06:12, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fictional deity

World elemental, or enlightened planet, does not equal deity. CovenantD 14:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Random editor 24, please discuss your objections with CovenantD here -- you guys might me able to work this out. My vote: Swampy is not a deity because (1) he seems to have been depowered; (2) few if any entities worship him. More generally, the whole "DC Comics Dieties" category is not that helpful. TheronJ 16:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The anon editor was factually correct. Swamp Thing is indeed one of the more prominent DC Comics deities. Two of his aliases in this category are the mythical Green Man], and the fictitional "Bon Gumbo" (Cajun religion) in addition to being recognized as an unnamed Inuit god related to shamanism. I hope this is helpful. Information sourced from website: http://rhandley.0catch.com/swampthing

STcanon 00:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Categories

Are all those categories really necessary - it looks absurd.--Peta 05:38, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Swamp Thing a low-importance article to begin with? It was the first mainstream comic book for adults. --Scottandrewhutchins 14:24, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Powers and abilities

It's kinda surprising that swamp thing doesn't have his own powers and abilities section. I suggest somebody make one.

I've added one with the {{empty section}} tag, hopefully someone familiar with Swamp Thing will add some information. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 07:42, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While I admire the scholarship in the recent expansion of that section, I feel it's bordering into the trivial. It's not always clear if we're talking of influences on or from Swamp Thing. The monster from the swamp is a common trope in fiction. It it's all influences from then that's too many. If it's just a list of related creatures, then it's trivia. The only relevant mentions are: The Heap, Sturgeon's It. and possibly Man-Thing for the coincidence

The bulk of this information should appear either under Heap or It rather than under Swamp Thing. --Leocomix 14:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The only ones I added were Bog Swamp Demon and The Bog Beast. The others were already there; I simply rearranged them chronologically and added a sentence comparing Sallis and Holland. --Scottandrewhutchins 14:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The big problem with that section is that it is all original research - I see no references and without a source saying "These are like Swamp Thing" then there is no real reason these should be here. Lacking references the best you could do is strip it down to a list. (Emperor 15:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Millar the "ghostwriter"

Have removed comments about Millar having to rely on Morrison's notes for the series, which have been sitting there uncited for nearly a year. It's a pretty dangerous accusation to make, and without any citation at all it shouldn't be here. JonStrines (talk) 15:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Enlightened planets??

is mogo an enlightened planet?? I have no idea and that's why i ask it just seems that he should be208.255.127.61 (talk) 04:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alan Moore's Phantom Stranger origin

Can anyone here come up with just what specifics (and in what issue) Alan Moore worked into his Swamp Thing run that corroborated his "fallen angel" origin for the Phantom Stranger he wrote for Secret Origins # 10, January 1987? I want to add this material to the Stranger's own article—or you could yourself, of course. Either way, thanks in advance. Ted Watson (talk) 20:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image box

That is a very unclear image of the character. I believe the MOS says it must be a full-frontal shot, clear and without distracting elements. --Skippu (talk) 21:23, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Movie and Moore

It says that the first Swamp Thing movie "rejected" Alan Moore’s revision of the character’s origin. As the movie is said to have been released in 1982, and Moore didn’t write for the series until 1983, isn’t that just plain wrong? I hesitate to revise the mention, because I don’t know if this is based on fact, but from a behind the scenes point-of-view: perhaps Moore was brought in to work on the series, his concept was known to the movie company, prior to his issues hitting the shops, and they rejected it? My gut feeling is that it *is* an error, but I can’t say for sure.Jock123 (talk) 23:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


"Saga of The..." part of Volume 2?

The plot section just goes from Volume 1 to 2 and says nothing about Saga in the middle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.173.174 (talk) 05:39, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion

This article doesn't go much into the character's history (in the comics) it should be expanded in more detail.--Paleface Jack (talk) 00:10, 23 March 2014 (UTC)--Paleface Jack (talk) 00:10, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Very poor quality

Much of this article is of very poor quality. I don't know much of the character it's discussing, but phrases like "Due to the circumstances under which she was conceived, while Swamp Thing, possessing John Constantine, was not aware he was given a blood transfusion by a demon, she held power over both plants and flesh." are utterly nonsensical and I doubt would make much sense even to the most ardant of fans. Could someone (preferably someone with more knowledge on this subject than myself) please consider a large-scale rewrite? Justin.Parallax (talk) 07:55, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect caption on photo?

Sorry if this isn't the place to do this, but I'm new to the workings of Wikipedia.

Anyway, the photo half way down the page on the right, captioned "Alan Moore with creator Len Wein, at CONvergence 2005". Should this read "Swamp Thing with creator Len Wein, at CONvergence 2005"? It doesn't look like Alan Moore in that costume. And if you click through to the Flikr stream the photo comes from it is captioned "Swamp Thing & Len Wein at CONvergence 2005. My friend Roadkill dressed as Swamp Thing with creator Len Wein at CONvergence 2005."

So yeah. Just wanted to point that out.

Best wishes,

Mathew

[email protected] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.151.33.163 (talk) 11:02, 31 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Moore's was first "literary" horror comic since E.C.? Huh?

"Moore's Swamp Thing had a profound effect on mainstream comic books, being the first horror comic to approach the genre from a literary point of view since the EC horror comics of the 1950s" -- This sounds like original research by someone who is entirely unfamiliar with Warren Publishing, or who is splitting hairs in defining "comics." Most problematic, though, is the point-of-view problem inherent in the term "literary." Roy Thomas (heck even Stan Lee, for that matter) no doubt thought some of his Code-era horror comics were "literary." --Matt Thorn (talk) 13:38, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I removed that part of the sentence.   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 05:13, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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2016 6 Issue Mini Series

There is a new 6 issue series by DC Comics that started cover date March 2016. It is written by Len Wein. It is set in New 52, but not exactly as it seems to not entirely follow all of the New 52 changes to the parliament of the Green. Would that be considered a Volume 6, or just a mini series?

Can somebody share a quote from Comics Interview #102?

The section on Nancy Collins states that there is an attempt to restore a pre-Moore feeling to the series, and cites an interview in Comics Interview #102. Does anybody have this, and if so, can you share the supporting quotation, specifically the mention of Moore? Thanks.

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