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Consensus on lead

Just to note, there seems to be some edit flip-flopping on the release date in the lead. Here are the facts which might preclude exclusion and inclusion of “September”:

Apple’s schedule mentions only “Fall”. There is no promotional material indicating that release might not be delayed until October.
Since 2012 with iOS 6, the release schedule has consistently been early to mid September.

Therefore I suggest the compromise:

“[WWDC]. The version is scheduled for release in Fall 2020; previous versions since iOS 6 have been released to the public in September.”

Hopefully this will remain; please comment with suggestions. Mia Dobson (talk) 01:39, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Mia Dobson: Like you have said, even Apple themselves have not confirmed a release date for iOS 14. So therefor we cannot add anything into the article talking about a specific release date as this is speculation, and Wikipedia articles are about facts. Once Apple have confirmed a more specific release date, we can then include this into the article. For now they have simply stated Fall.

I also disagree that we should mention when previous iOS versions were released in this article, as I believe this is something that should be mentioned in the main Wikipedia article for iOS as this is history, and not talking about the iOS version discussed.

I am happy to debate this, and would love to see other opinions on this. Maybe I am being too to the point?

As11ley (talk) 05:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I absolutely agree, @As11ley: it's a little fiddly. To be honest, I only really inserted the sentence because I didn't want to russle too many feathers over such a petty thing. (I was also quite tired ;)

I've removed the sentence; if anybody wants to add it back in, please feel free to do so and add a little more discussion. Mia Dobson (talk) 19:18, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Introduction

Do we really need an introduction paragraph for the article? Only reason I ask is because pretty much all of the information has already been said in the opening paragraph to the article. Just seems unnecessary to me.

Evidence:

Opening paragraph - iOS 14 is the fourteenth major release of the iOS mobile operating system developed by Apple Inc. for their iPhone, iPod Touch, and HomePod lines. It was announced at the company's Worldwide Developers Conference on June 22, 2020 as the successor to iOS 13. Currently in beta development, it is scheduled for official public release in fall.

Introduction - iOS 14 was announced at WWDC by Senior Vice President of Software Engineering Craig Federighi on June 22, 2020, alongside the new versions of macOS, iPadOS, watchOS and tvOS.

To me it just seems like a duplication of the same thing.

I look forward to hearing your responses.

Kind Regards, As11ley (talk) 22:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. OptXSolo (talk) 11:22 AM EST, June 25, 2020

I think the introduction paragraph should stay for consistency with the other articles. Every article since iOS 10 has an introduction section. Abobeck11 (talk) 16:23, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Or perhaps it should be removed from those articles as well. Guy Harris (talk) 16:30, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Guy Harris. I just don't see it as relevant when the exact same thing is said right above it. As11ley (talk) 17:29, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to add, I don't think we need to include July for the public beta as of yet inside the introduction. It has already been stated that the OS is in beta development. Maybe once the public beta has been released then we can add it in? For now I think it looks cluttered and unnecessary. What do others think about this? As11ley (talk) 17:34, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Guy Harris, that’s probably the best idea actually.Abobeck11 (talk) 01:05, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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iOS 14 Public Beta

It is very cool, definitely will be trying to add more info and explore. Reply if you have tried it. OptXSolo (talk) 00:23, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Format of release date

There has been a lot of controversy over the proper wording for the anticipated release date of iOS 14. It is currently fall 2020, which is also how Apple has stated it. However, per MOS:SEASON, seasons should not be used to refer to a particular time of year because the seasons are six months apart in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres. September 2020 or any other month is also incorrect per WP:BALL, because Apple has not specified an exact month. Instead, an unambiguous alternative should be used. The only sensible options I can think of would be late 2020 or Northern Hemisphere fall. Abobeck11 (talk) 01:24, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Editors, also please note that seasons are not capitalized (unless at the beginning of a sentence or phrase). Abobeck11 (talk) 01:26, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see it as keeping late 2020 is proper. macOS Big Sur gives a two-month date (which I cannot find where that is sourced from), watchOS gives a two-month date as well, and I can see OP made a similar edit to macOS. For those of you who keep saying Apple said so, sure they did, but only in a grammatical way. It does NOT fall under MOS:SEASON's "formal or conventional name or designation" because they never promoted it as such. Admanny (talk) 12:47, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@As11ley: @KaitoNkmra23: Your opinions here. Admanny (talk) 12:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Apple has quite clearly stated that iOS 14, macOS Big Sur and WatchOS 7 will be released in the fall. This is actually more accurate than saying late 2020. I didn't realise it had been changed in other articles. It shouldn't have been. Again, it has been quite clearly stated by Apple that iOS 14 will be released in the fall/autumn. Maybe as a compromise we should change it to show fall/autumn instead? I'm sure @Guy Harris: would like to show his thoughts on this also.

Again, please don't go reverting edits without a proper discussion on here. It is messy and doesn't look good. Constantly reverting people's edits will just cause frustration and confusion. Thanks. As11ley (talk) 13:28, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we can find another way to say this. Apple have already stated a more accurate release time frame that just 'late 2020'. Possibly something like 'fall in the northern hemisphere and spring in the southern hemisphere'. I invite people to share ideas on this. As11ley (talk) 14:06, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... why not both terms then? What about fall/late 2020? Fall in the Northern Hemisphere and spring in the Southern Hemisphere just sounds too wordy to me. Abobeck11 (talk) 17:06, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How about 'Coming later this year'. Sounds a lot better to me. Plus I have just checked the Australian Apple website and it is worded like that also. Please check the link out. https://www.apple.com/au/ios/ios-14-preview/

Many Thanks,

As11ley (talk) 18:34, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I like coming later this year best. Let's see what @Guy Harris: thinks and then make the change consistent on this article as well as iPadOS 14 and macOS Big Sur. Abobeck11 (talk) 20:08, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm OK with anything that doesn't assume that what Apple said means any particular months, other than "late September to late December", given that fall/autumn in the hemisphere in which Apple is located generally refers to dates from the September equinox to the December solstice, hence 2020-09-22 to 2020-12-21 this year. "Later this year" suffices, and any complaints about "this year" should vanish, well, later this year, when it's released, as "coming later this year" will be removed when it arrives (assuming it's not delayed until next year, but Apple would presumably have to announce such a delay, as they already announced "fall 2020", and the article would be updated in that case). Guy Harris (talk) 20:28, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thats settled then. Glad we could reach an agreement folks! As11ley (talk) 21:36, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]