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11:59, 17 June 2022: Blablubbs (talk | contribs) triggered filter 602, performing the action "edit" on User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy. Actions taken: Tag; Filter description: Arbitration contentious topics alerts (examine | diff)

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' == Howdy == Welcome to my talk page. Please feel free to leave me a message if you have questions with any of my contributions. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 02:22, 12 March 2021 (UTC) == TheRealSerenaJoy, your editing suggestions are on the way Comment == [[User:SuggestBot|SuggestBot]] is making a list of articles that you might like to edit. You will receive these suggestions soon. In the meantime, you might be interested in checking out the following [[WP:WikiProjects|WikiProjects]]. 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Thanks again, and happy editing! <span style="font-family:Garamond">—&nbsp;[[User:The Most Comfortable Chair|<b style="color:#000000">The&nbsp;Most&nbsp;Comfortable</b>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Most Comfortable Chair|<b style="color:#8A2BE2">Chair</b>]]</span> 16:48, 16 May 2022 (UTC)</div><!--Template:Afc talk--> :Thanks for your review, [[User:The_Most_Comfortable_Chair|The Most Comfortable Chair]]. I appreciate your time. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 22:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC) ==GOCE Request page note== Hi TheRealSerenaJoy, welcome to the Guild of Copy Editors. Just a note about the [[WP:GOCE/R|GOCE Requets page]], where I see you've left some comments for a requesting editor. It's usually best to leave such comments on the requester's own talk page, first because the requester may not notice you've left the comments, and second because requests are removed and archived by a [[WP:BOT|bot]] around 24 hours after you've added {{tl|Done}} to the page. Matters concerning requests, copy-editing and other GOCE-related things should be posted to [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests|the Requests talk page]] (REQ talk) or another relevant GOCE talk page, especially if you want replies from other editors. Thanks for your work on the requests, I hope to see you at the Requests page in the future. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#0e0a64">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 01:26, 25 May 2022 (UTC) :Thanks for the suggestion [[User:Baffle_gab1978|Baffle_gab]] - I agree 100% I will move my comment to user's page. Wasn't thinking! '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 15:21, 25 May 2022 (UTC) ::Thanks for that. Another note; please use {{tl|Done}} rather than {{tl|Completed}} at the Requests page, otherwise the archiving bot won't archive your finished requests. You should, however, use 'Completed' to log your work at drive and blitz pages. You can always contact me or one of the other GOCE coordinators and editors at the Guild's main talk pages. I've fixed the templates for you. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#0e0a64">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 04:13, 27 May 2022 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you [[User:Baffle_gab1978|Baffle_gab]] I was originally was using done, then somewhere I saw completed so I thought that was the one to use. I'll go fix my entries as I did a bunch of shorter articles yesterday. (But I see someone beat me to it.) Thanks again. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 01:02, 28 May 2022 (UTC) ::::No problem; you should also register your May copy-edits at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Backlog_elimination_drives/May_2022#TheRealSerenaJoy_(talk)|your section on the Drive page]] before we close it (or at latest 24 hours after closing) so we can calculate your barnstar awards; there are brief instructions [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Backlog_elimination_drives/May_2022#Totals|here]]. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#0e0a64">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 03:57, 31 May 2022 (UTC) :::::Thanks, [[user:Baffle_gab1978]] I did go and update the counts; I was trying to do it after completing each article so I don't forget. :) Thanks again!'''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 19:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for May 27== An automated process has detected that when you recently edited [[Cómplices]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Mexican]]<!-- ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/C%C3%B3mplices check to confirm]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/C%C3%B3mplices?client=notify fix with Dab solver])-->. 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Please remember to sign your reply with {{code|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}} . <small>(Message delivered via the [[Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help|Page Curation]] tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)</small><!-- Template:Sentnote-NPF --> <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 16:57, 29 May 2022 (UTC) :{{Re|North8000}} Thanks, I appreciate you taking a moment to comment!'''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 18:20, 30 May 2022 (UTC) ==Mass changes at Ryan Kavanaugh== Hello, I mean this with the utmost respect (I very much appreciate good-faith copyeditors), but many of the changes you've made to the [[Ryan Kavanaugh]] article do not appear to be improvements, at least in my opinion. From a glance, I've noticed quite few general [[WP:MOS|MOS]] issues, such as introduced punctuation errors, [[WP:NPOV|non-neutral]] wording in the lead, introduction of a source that editors have previously agreed to be [[WP:RS|unreliable]], and additions of {{tl|citation needed}} templates where information is already adequately [[WP:Citing sources|cited]]. Will probably address these in more detail in the coming days. [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 00:23, 2 June 2022 (UTC) : In addition to the concerns by @Throast above there is also a question by @Popoki35, {{Diff|Talk:Ryan Kavanaugh|prev|1091104073|here}}, that needs to be addressed. Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia and, specifically, your attention to this matter. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 12:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC) :Hey Throast, I thank you for taking the time to make comments, but I have to disagree with your assessment. I fixed many typos, punctuation errors and tweaked sentence structure improvements to remove things like lacking verb tense agreement, limiting overuse of parenthetical phrases vs. em-dash, semicolons, punctuation outside the quotes, etc. But the grammar and style aside - what I do take a tad bit of a back step on it you saying I've used non-neutral wording. I'll take another look at the article and my changes, but at a high level, from the articles cited which I've read, I'd say this wiki entry is really violating WP:NPOV, WP:BLP minimally. I didn't comb through the entire page history, but now I will check it out, but from what I saw in these articles vs. the wiki - anything even remotely positive is either not mentioned or was at one point and then removed. I take the WP:BLP policy very seriously when I edit for obvious reasons..... as we all do. I'm happy to collaborate with all editors on Wikipedia, which we all know is a consensus. :I'll go take a closer look... '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 20:50, 3 June 2022 (UTC) ::"Petty disputes" (emphasis on "petty") was what I had in mind in regard to non-neutral wording. Such a value judgment diminishes the civil cases brought against Kavanaugh, which would be ok to use were it supported by the article body and by reliable sources, which it isn't. Regarding NPOV and BLP issues, nothing in particular sticks out to me (the article has received quite a bit of outside attention and has been combed over several times), but if there are any, please raise those at [[Talk:Ryan Kavanaugh]] to discuss. Popoki35 made what appears to be an honest effort to explain their general structure/punctuation objections in their edit summaries, see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ryan_Kavanaugh&action=history the revision history]. If you want to raise your objections on the article talk page in regard to those reversions, please feel free to do so. [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 23:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC) == May drive bling == <!--The box below was generated by [[Template:GOCE award]]--> {| style="border: 2px solid gray; background-color: #FFFFF0; vertical-align: middle;" |rowspan="2" | [[File:Goce silver barnstar.png|75 px]] |rowspan="2"| |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"| '''Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Articles, 4th Place''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to '''TheRealSerenaJoy''' for copyediting 12 articles during the [[WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/May 2022|GOCE May 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive]]. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 02:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC) |} <!--The box below was generated by [[Template:GOCE award]]--> :Thanks [[user:Miniapolis|Miniapolis]]! The bling is a nice touch! '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 13:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC) {| style="border: 2px solid gray; background-color: #FFFFF0; vertical-align: middle;" |rowspan="2" | [[File:Goce silver barnstar.png|75 px]] |rowspan="2"| |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"| '''Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Words, 5th Place''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to '''TheRealSerenaJoy''' for copyediting 25,711 total words during the [[WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/May 2022|GOCE May 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive]]. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 02:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC) |} <!--The box below was generated by [[Template:GOCE award]]--> {| style="border: 2px solid gray; background-color: #FFFFF0; vertical-align: middle;" |rowspan="2" | [[File:CopyeditorStar7.PNG|100px]] |rowspan="2" | |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" |'''The (old school) League of Copy Editors Barnstar''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | This barnstar is awarded to '''TheRealSerenaJoy''' for copy edits totaling over 30,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the [[WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/May 2022|GOCE May 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive]]. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 02:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC) |} == Edits at Ryan Kavanaugh == Hi TheRealSerenaJoy, finally the trifecta of editors coming to scare you away from editing. No, I think that the environment over there is very toxic, as highly socked/paid areas often become. Everyone has so much fun booting off socks they forget that {{abbr|sometimes|(or often if you're the type to extend your good faith olive branch)}} new editors are the good faith kind like yourself. No doubt the suspicions leveled at you were a huge over reaction, but I don't think they come from a place of bad faith, just lack of agf. I'd have emailed you but A) I can't, B) In the interest of {{abbr|transparency|or a tad of support that was left wanting}} this works better. [[User:Pabsoluterince|Pabsoluterince]] ([[User talk:Pabsoluterince|talk]]) 11:59, 13 June 2022 (UTC) :Thanks for the note. Yes, I do think the reaction was a bit overzealous. If I have an issue with an edit I think is wrong, I fix it and mark it in the revision note. If the explanation is long enough, I'd leave a comment for that user if it were substantial enough to warrant so. I would never ask "why are you editing this page? Do you have a conflict of interest?" as these two have done. And yes, I see in looking through the page history, what appears to be suspicious activity, and sadly the reactions here and the peeking I've done on the page so far lead me to believe that the two editors in question who have parked themselves like a couple of trolls under the bridge, are being paid. Arguing over whether to call the guy a producer or not when the larger part of the ~87 sources assign him the title of producer (one article does so at least 10 times within) makes me wonder, why the fight on such a stupid matter that is clearly verifiable in print? They're arguing to keep the article wrong? Why? That screams COI to me. I've not had any terrible experiences with Wikipedia for the most part people have been helpful and pleasant. But I am going to do more research on this because (regarding specifically the COI accusation) "whoever smelt it, dealt it" usually is more accurate than not. I also had to defend my honor since I got 4th? or 5th? place for participation in last month's GOCE drive. ;) Thanks again. PS: feel welcome to email, I did not realize I had "allow emails" unchecked in prefs. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 16:18, 13 June 2022 (UTC) ::[https://imgur.com/gallery/OgTcc5c Wait]... I don't think so. Most editors don't just decide to start getting paid after a thousand edits and several years. For Popoki35, looks like someone who was intially topics surrounding Kavanaugh, somewhat along the lines of a SPA, but just edit following their interests. I can attest to the fact that the controversy section is the easiest to contribute to for BLP, because it's more interesting. Kavanaugh is not the only one recieving Popoki35's attention. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Theranos&diff=prev&oldid=1062002436 Theranos][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Live_Nation_Entertainment&diff=prev&oldid=1062946570 Live Nation Entertainment][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jordan_Peterson&diff=prev&oldid=1067841012 Jordan Peterson][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thierry_Meyssan&diff=prev&oldid=1076307235 Thierry Meyssan]. [[User:Pabsoluterince|Pabsoluterince]] ([[User talk:Pabsoluterince|talk]]) 12:39, 14 June 2022 (UTC) :::I hear you.... it's a rather "obscure" interest to have, but to each his/her/their own I guess. But with so much attention in this area, I'd expect they'd be SMEs... and to get something so basic as the dude's birthday, and whether he's a producer or not, (given tons of solid sources indicating the facts) feels pretty basic. To be that invested in a page, and still get the facts wrong, screams of something other than "I have an organic, deep interest in this page for no particular reason." I edit kinda sporadically but I try to get in as much as I can with free time. But wiht a real-life paying career, my priority is not Wikipedia. I also wonder who the heck has the time to edit THAT much? Editors who seem to make an unpaid career of Wikipedia must be either 16 {{emdash}} or 80 {{emdash}} and living in mom's basement and don't need to earn a living. And at 16, they'd be out smoking week, and at 80, unable to handle the complexity of markup. I trust my gut.... and my gut said I hit a nerve touching that page. But now, like a car accident - I'm both attracted and repelled simultaneously.... I can't help but want to see more of what's going on. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 23:08, 14 June 2022 (UTC) :::: There's no positive correlation with number of edits and likelihood of being a paid or COI editor (probably a negative one). I don't think the 'facts' are that clear; DOB was never wrong on the page, the question of whether we should be specify the date was discussed, and Throast and Popoki35 landed on opposite sites of the argument. The question of producing, is also not so clear IMO. There are many different types of editing reasons other than "a deep organic interest for no reason" that are fully policy adherent. [[User:Pabsoluterince|Pabsoluterince]] ([[User talk:Pabsoluterince|talk]]) 05:37, 15 June 2022 (UTC) :::::TheRealSerenaJoy, how do you expect editors to engage with you in an amicable manner at this point? All I've done is raised a few content concerns and tried to mitigate a behavioral dispute between you and {{u|Popoki35}}. Popoki35 has raised COI concerns and informed you about the troubled history of the article to help you better understand. Both of us have emphasized that we believe you edit in good faith. If I were you and had ''real'' concerns about other editors' conduct, as you seem to have with Popoki35 and me, I'd seriously consider reporting them at the appropriate noticeboard, not gossip about them on your talk page and fuel an even more hostile environment. [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 07:54, 15 June 2022 (UTC) ::::::Regarding the comment above about "The question of producing, is also not so clear IMO." What is clear is that [[WP:Consensus|consensus]] was reached at the talk page previously about how to present the material. You made a [[WP:BOLD|bold]] edit to try to change it, but that's been reverted, so you now ''must'' work with other editors and may only change the article if a ''new'' consensus is reached at the talk page. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 14:54, 16 June 2022 (UTC) :::::::Thanks, @[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]. I really do appreciate the feedback. But I do still disagree with the principle that misinformation is being published and further *justified* because "4 people say so." The title of Producer and Executive Producer is 100% verifiable in many if not most of the reliable sources listed on the page. Do the personal opinions of editors trump verifiability (wikipedia deals in that which can be verified..... )? Some articles refer to him as solely a film financier, but more refer to him as producer or executive producer. And more current ones to boot. I could see the argument and push back on the title if most of the articles said he was not a real producer, but that is not the case. Thanks for any additional insights as I'd love to put the question to bed. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 16:54, 16 June 2022 (UTC) ::::::::What I see is a pure content issue, which is best handled at the article's talk page. It has not helped your cause that you haven't provided clear examples of references that call him a producer in short blocks of text; frankly, the [[WP:Wall of text|wall of text]] on the talk page makes it hard to follow what's happened with the recent discussion. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 17:32, 16 June 2022 (UTC) == I have sent you a note about a page you started == Hello, TheRealSerenaJoy Thank you for creating [[Mars House]]. [[User:North8000]], while examining this page as a part of our [[WP:NPP|page curation process]], had the following comments: {{Bq|1=Thanks for your work. IMO meets wp:notability requirements for a separate article but IMO it still might be better merged into the NFT article. I marked it as reviewed. Happy editing!}} To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{code|<nowiki>{{Re|</nowiki>North8000<nowiki>}}</nowiki>}}. Please remember to sign your reply with {{code|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}} . <small>(Message delivered via the [[Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help|Page Curation]] tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)</small><!-- Template:Sentnote-NPF --> <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 01:16, 16 June 2022 (UTC) :Thanks for the feedback, I agree. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 14:04, 16 June 2022 (UTC) == Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion == [[File:Information icon4.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring]] regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit warring]]. <!--Template:An3-notice--> Thank you. 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Thanks again, and happy editing! <span style="font-family:Garamond">—&nbsp;[[User:The Most Comfortable Chair|<b style="color:#000000">The&nbsp;Most&nbsp;Comfortable</b>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Most Comfortable Chair|<b style="color:#8A2BE2">Chair</b>]]</span> 16:48, 16 May 2022 (UTC)</div><!--Template:Afc talk--> :Thanks for your review, [[User:The_Most_Comfortable_Chair|The Most Comfortable Chair]]. I appreciate your time. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 22:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC) ==GOCE Request page note== Hi TheRealSerenaJoy, welcome to the Guild of Copy Editors. Just a note about the [[WP:GOCE/R|GOCE Requets page]], where I see you've left some comments for a requesting editor. It's usually best to leave such comments on the requester's own talk page, first because the requester may not notice you've left the comments, and second because requests are removed and archived by a [[WP:BOT|bot]] around 24 hours after you've added {{tl|Done}} to the page. Matters concerning requests, copy-editing and other GOCE-related things should be posted to [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests|the Requests talk page]] (REQ talk) or another relevant GOCE talk page, especially if you want replies from other editors. Thanks for your work on the requests, I hope to see you at the Requests page in the future. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#0e0a64">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 01:26, 25 May 2022 (UTC) :Thanks for the suggestion [[User:Baffle_gab1978|Baffle_gab]] - I agree 100% I will move my comment to user's page. Wasn't thinking! '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 15:21, 25 May 2022 (UTC) ::Thanks for that. Another note; please use {{tl|Done}} rather than {{tl|Completed}} at the Requests page, otherwise the archiving bot won't archive your finished requests. You should, however, use 'Completed' to log your work at drive and blitz pages. You can always contact me or one of the other GOCE coordinators and editors at the Guild's main talk pages. I've fixed the templates for you. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#0e0a64">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 04:13, 27 May 2022 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you [[User:Baffle_gab1978|Baffle_gab]] I was originally was using done, then somewhere I saw completed so I thought that was the one to use. I'll go fix my entries as I did a bunch of shorter articles yesterday. (But I see someone beat me to it.) Thanks again. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 01:02, 28 May 2022 (UTC) ::::No problem; you should also register your May copy-edits at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Backlog_elimination_drives/May_2022#TheRealSerenaJoy_(talk)|your section on the Drive page]] before we close it (or at latest 24 hours after closing) so we can calculate your barnstar awards; there are brief instructions [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Backlog_elimination_drives/May_2022#Totals|here]]. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#0e0a64">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 03:57, 31 May 2022 (UTC) :::::Thanks, [[user:Baffle_gab1978]] I did go and update the counts; I was trying to do it after completing each article so I don't forget. :) Thanks again!'''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 19:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for May 27== An automated process has detected that when you recently edited [[Cómplices]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Mexican]]<!-- ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/C%C3%B3mplices check to confirm]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/C%C3%B3mplices?client=notify fix with Dab solver])-->. 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Please remember to sign your reply with {{code|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}} . <small>(Message delivered via the [[Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help|Page Curation]] tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)</small><!-- Template:Sentnote-NPF --> <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 16:57, 29 May 2022 (UTC) :{{Re|North8000}} Thanks, I appreciate you taking a moment to comment!'''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 18:20, 30 May 2022 (UTC) ==Mass changes at Ryan Kavanaugh== Hello, I mean this with the utmost respect (I very much appreciate good-faith copyeditors), but many of the changes you've made to the [[Ryan Kavanaugh]] article do not appear to be improvements, at least in my opinion. From a glance, I've noticed quite few general [[WP:MOS|MOS]] issues, such as introduced punctuation errors, [[WP:NPOV|non-neutral]] wording in the lead, introduction of a source that editors have previously agreed to be [[WP:RS|unreliable]], and additions of {{tl|citation needed}} templates where information is already adequately [[WP:Citing sources|cited]]. Will probably address these in more detail in the coming days. [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 00:23, 2 June 2022 (UTC) : In addition to the concerns by @Throast above there is also a question by @Popoki35, {{Diff|Talk:Ryan Kavanaugh|prev|1091104073|here}}, that needs to be addressed. Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia and, specifically, your attention to this matter. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 12:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC) :Hey Throast, I thank you for taking the time to make comments, but I have to disagree with your assessment. I fixed many typos, punctuation errors and tweaked sentence structure improvements to remove things like lacking verb tense agreement, limiting overuse of parenthetical phrases vs. em-dash, semicolons, punctuation outside the quotes, etc. But the grammar and style aside - what I do take a tad bit of a back step on it you saying I've used non-neutral wording. I'll take another look at the article and my changes, but at a high level, from the articles cited which I've read, I'd say this wiki entry is really violating WP:NPOV, WP:BLP minimally. I didn't comb through the entire page history, but now I will check it out, but from what I saw in these articles vs. the wiki - anything even remotely positive is either not mentioned or was at one point and then removed. I take the WP:BLP policy very seriously when I edit for obvious reasons..... as we all do. I'm happy to collaborate with all editors on Wikipedia, which we all know is a consensus. :I'll go take a closer look... '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 20:50, 3 June 2022 (UTC) ::"Petty disputes" (emphasis on "petty") was what I had in mind in regard to non-neutral wording. Such a value judgment diminishes the civil cases brought against Kavanaugh, which would be ok to use were it supported by the article body and by reliable sources, which it isn't. Regarding NPOV and BLP issues, nothing in particular sticks out to me (the article has received quite a bit of outside attention and has been combed over several times), but if there are any, please raise those at [[Talk:Ryan Kavanaugh]] to discuss. Popoki35 made what appears to be an honest effort to explain their general structure/punctuation objections in their edit summaries, see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ryan_Kavanaugh&action=history the revision history]. If you want to raise your objections on the article talk page in regard to those reversions, please feel free to do so. [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 23:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC) == May drive bling == <!--The box below was generated by [[Template:GOCE award]]--> {| style="border: 2px solid gray; background-color: #FFFFF0; vertical-align: middle;" |rowspan="2" | [[File:Goce silver barnstar.png|75 px]] |rowspan="2"| |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"| '''Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Articles, 4th Place''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to '''TheRealSerenaJoy''' for copyediting 12 articles during the [[WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/May 2022|GOCE May 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive]]. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 02:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC) |} <!--The box below was generated by [[Template:GOCE award]]--> :Thanks [[user:Miniapolis|Miniapolis]]! The bling is a nice touch! '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 13:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC) {| style="border: 2px solid gray; background-color: #FFFFF0; vertical-align: middle;" |rowspan="2" | [[File:Goce silver barnstar.png|75 px]] |rowspan="2"| |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"| '''Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Words, 5th Place''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to '''TheRealSerenaJoy''' for copyediting 25,711 total words during the [[WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/May 2022|GOCE May 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive]]. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! 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[[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 02:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC) |} == Edits at Ryan Kavanaugh == Hi TheRealSerenaJoy, finally the trifecta of editors coming to scare you away from editing. No, I think that the environment over there is very toxic, as highly socked/paid areas often become. Everyone has so much fun booting off socks they forget that {{abbr|sometimes|(or often if you're the type to extend your good faith olive branch)}} new editors are the good faith kind like yourself. No doubt the suspicions leveled at you were a huge over reaction, but I don't think they come from a place of bad faith, just lack of agf. I'd have emailed you but A) I can't, B) In the interest of {{abbr|transparency|or a tad of support that was left wanting}} this works better. [[User:Pabsoluterince|Pabsoluterince]] ([[User talk:Pabsoluterince|talk]]) 11:59, 13 June 2022 (UTC) :Thanks for the note. Yes, I do think the reaction was a bit overzealous. If I have an issue with an edit I think is wrong, I fix it and mark it in the revision note. If the explanation is long enough, I'd leave a comment for that user if it were substantial enough to warrant so. I would never ask "why are you editing this page? Do you have a conflict of interest?" as these two have done. And yes, I see in looking through the page history, what appears to be suspicious activity, and sadly the reactions here and the peeking I've done on the page so far lead me to believe that the two editors in question who have parked themselves like a couple of trolls under the bridge, are being paid. Arguing over whether to call the guy a producer or not when the larger part of the ~87 sources assign him the title of producer (one article does so at least 10 times within) makes me wonder, why the fight on such a stupid matter that is clearly verifiable in print? They're arguing to keep the article wrong? Why? That screams COI to me. I've not had any terrible experiences with Wikipedia for the most part people have been helpful and pleasant. But I am going to do more research on this because (regarding specifically the COI accusation) "whoever smelt it, dealt it" usually is more accurate than not. I also had to defend my honor since I got 4th? or 5th? place for participation in last month's GOCE drive. ;) Thanks again. PS: feel welcome to email, I did not realize I had "allow emails" unchecked in prefs. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 16:18, 13 June 2022 (UTC) ::[https://imgur.com/gallery/OgTcc5c Wait]... I don't think so. Most editors don't just decide to start getting paid after a thousand edits and several years. For Popoki35, looks like someone who was intially topics surrounding Kavanaugh, somewhat along the lines of a SPA, but just edit following their interests. I can attest to the fact that the controversy section is the easiest to contribute to for BLP, because it's more interesting. Kavanaugh is not the only one recieving Popoki35's attention. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Theranos&diff=prev&oldid=1062002436 Theranos][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Live_Nation_Entertainment&diff=prev&oldid=1062946570 Live Nation Entertainment][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jordan_Peterson&diff=prev&oldid=1067841012 Jordan Peterson][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thierry_Meyssan&diff=prev&oldid=1076307235 Thierry Meyssan]. [[User:Pabsoluterince|Pabsoluterince]] ([[User talk:Pabsoluterince|talk]]) 12:39, 14 June 2022 (UTC) :::I hear you.... it's a rather "obscure" interest to have, but to each his/her/their own I guess. But with so much attention in this area, I'd expect they'd be SMEs... and to get something so basic as the dude's birthday, and whether he's a producer or not, (given tons of solid sources indicating the facts) feels pretty basic. To be that invested in a page, and still get the facts wrong, screams of something other than "I have an organic, deep interest in this page for no particular reason." I edit kinda sporadically but I try to get in as much as I can with free time. But wiht a real-life paying career, my priority is not Wikipedia. I also wonder who the heck has the time to edit THAT much? Editors who seem to make an unpaid career of Wikipedia must be either 16 {{emdash}} or 80 {{emdash}} and living in mom's basement and don't need to earn a living. And at 16, they'd be out smoking week, and at 80, unable to handle the complexity of markup. I trust my gut.... and my gut said I hit a nerve touching that page. But now, like a car accident - I'm both attracted and repelled simultaneously.... I can't help but want to see more of what's going on. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 23:08, 14 June 2022 (UTC) :::: There's no positive correlation with number of edits and likelihood of being a paid or COI editor (probably a negative one). I don't think the 'facts' are that clear; DOB was never wrong on the page, the question of whether we should be specify the date was discussed, and Throast and Popoki35 landed on opposite sites of the argument. The question of producing, is also not so clear IMO. There are many different types of editing reasons other than "a deep organic interest for no reason" that are fully policy adherent. [[User:Pabsoluterince|Pabsoluterince]] ([[User talk:Pabsoluterince|talk]]) 05:37, 15 June 2022 (UTC) :::::TheRealSerenaJoy, how do you expect editors to engage with you in an amicable manner at this point? All I've done is raised a few content concerns and tried to mitigate a behavioral dispute between you and {{u|Popoki35}}. Popoki35 has raised COI concerns and informed you about the troubled history of the article to help you better understand. Both of us have emphasized that we believe you edit in good faith. If I were you and had ''real'' concerns about other editors' conduct, as you seem to have with Popoki35 and me, I'd seriously consider reporting them at the appropriate noticeboard, not gossip about them on your talk page and fuel an even more hostile environment. [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 07:54, 15 June 2022 (UTC) ::::::Regarding the comment above about "The question of producing, is also not so clear IMO." What is clear is that [[WP:Consensus|consensus]] was reached at the talk page previously about how to present the material. You made a [[WP:BOLD|bold]] edit to try to change it, but that's been reverted, so you now ''must'' work with other editors and may only change the article if a ''new'' consensus is reached at the talk page. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 14:54, 16 June 2022 (UTC) :::::::Thanks, @[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]. I really do appreciate the feedback. But I do still disagree with the principle that misinformation is being published and further *justified* because "4 people say so." The title of Producer and Executive Producer is 100% verifiable in many if not most of the reliable sources listed on the page. Do the personal opinions of editors trump verifiability (wikipedia deals in that which can be verified..... )? Some articles refer to him as solely a film financier, but more refer to him as producer or executive producer. And more current ones to boot. I could see the argument and push back on the title if most of the articles said he was not a real producer, but that is not the case. Thanks for any additional insights as I'd love to put the question to bed. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 16:54, 16 June 2022 (UTC) ::::::::What I see is a pure content issue, which is best handled at the article's talk page. It has not helped your cause that you haven't provided clear examples of references that call him a producer in short blocks of text; frankly, the [[WP:Wall of text|wall of text]] on the talk page makes it hard to follow what's happened with the recent discussion. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 17:32, 16 June 2022 (UTC) == I have sent you a note about a page you started == Hello, TheRealSerenaJoy Thank you for creating [[Mars House]]. [[User:North8000]], while examining this page as a part of our [[WP:NPP|page curation process]], had the following comments: {{Bq|1=Thanks for your work. IMO meets wp:notability requirements for a separate article but IMO it still might be better merged into the NFT article. I marked it as reviewed. Happy editing!}} To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{code|<nowiki>{{Re|</nowiki>North8000<nowiki>}}</nowiki>}}. 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'''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 15:21, 25 May 2022 (UTC) ::Thanks for that. Another note; please use {{tl|Done}} rather than {{tl|Completed}} at the Requests page, otherwise the archiving bot won't archive your finished requests. You should, however, use 'Completed' to log your work at drive and blitz pages. You can always contact me or one of the other GOCE coordinators and editors at the Guild's main talk pages. I've fixed the templates for you. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#0e0a64">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 04:13, 27 May 2022 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you [[User:Baffle_gab1978|Baffle_gab]] I was originally was using done, then somewhere I saw completed so I thought that was the one to use. I'll go fix my entries as I did a bunch of shorter articles yesterday. (But I see someone beat me to it.) Thanks again. 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From a glance, I've noticed quite few general [[WP:MOS|MOS]] issues, such as introduced punctuation errors, [[WP:NPOV|non-neutral]] wording in the lead, introduction of a source that editors have previously agreed to be [[WP:RS|unreliable]], and additions of {{tl|citation needed}} templates where information is already adequately [[WP:Citing sources|cited]]. Will probably address these in more detail in the coming days. [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 00:23, 2 June 2022 (UTC) : In addition to the concerns by @Throast above there is also a question by @Popoki35, {{Diff|Talk:Ryan Kavanaugh|prev|1091104073|here}}, that needs to be addressed. Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia and, specifically, your attention to this matter. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 12:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC) :Hey Throast, I thank you for taking the time to make comments, but I have to disagree with your assessment. I fixed many typos, punctuation errors and tweaked sentence structure improvements to remove things like lacking verb tense agreement, limiting overuse of parenthetical phrases vs. em-dash, semicolons, punctuation outside the quotes, etc. But the grammar and style aside - what I do take a tad bit of a back step on it you saying I've used non-neutral wording. I'll take another look at the article and my changes, but at a high level, from the articles cited which I've read, I'd say this wiki entry is really violating WP:NPOV, WP:BLP minimally. I didn't comb through the entire page history, but now I will check it out, but from what I saw in these articles vs. the wiki - anything even remotely positive is either not mentioned or was at one point and then removed. I take the WP:BLP policy very seriously when I edit for obvious reasons..... as we all do. I'm happy to collaborate with all editors on Wikipedia, which we all know is a consensus. :I'll go take a closer look... '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 20:50, 3 June 2022 (UTC) ::"Petty disputes" (emphasis on "petty") was what I had in mind in regard to non-neutral wording. Such a value judgment diminishes the civil cases brought against Kavanaugh, which would be ok to use were it supported by the article body and by reliable sources, which it isn't. Regarding NPOV and BLP issues, nothing in particular sticks out to me (the article has received quite a bit of outside attention and has been combed over several times), but if there are any, please raise those at [[Talk:Ryan Kavanaugh]] to discuss. Popoki35 made what appears to be an honest effort to explain their general structure/punctuation objections in their edit summaries, see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ryan_Kavanaugh&action=history the revision history]. If you want to raise your objections on the article talk page in regard to those reversions, please feel free to do so. [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 23:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC) == May drive bling == <!--The box below was generated by [[Template:GOCE award]]--> {| style="border: 2px solid gray; background-color: #FFFFF0; vertical-align: middle;" |rowspan="2" | [[File:Goce silver barnstar.png|75 px]] |rowspan="2"| |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"| '''Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Articles, 4th Place''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to '''TheRealSerenaJoy''' for copyediting 12 articles during the [[WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/May 2022|GOCE May 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive]]. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 02:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC) |} <!--The box below was generated by [[Template:GOCE award]]--> :Thanks [[user:Miniapolis|Miniapolis]]! The bling is a nice touch! '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 13:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC) {| style="border: 2px solid gray; background-color: #FFFFF0; vertical-align: middle;" |rowspan="2" | [[File:Goce silver barnstar.png|75 px]] |rowspan="2"| |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"| '''Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Words, 5th Place''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to '''TheRealSerenaJoy''' for copyediting 25,711 total words during the [[WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/May 2022|GOCE May 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive]]. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 02:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC) |} <!--The box below was generated by [[Template:GOCE award]]--> {| style="border: 2px solid gray; background-color: #FFFFF0; vertical-align: middle;" |rowspan="2" | [[File:CopyeditorStar7.PNG|100px]] |rowspan="2" | |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" |'''The (old school) League of Copy Editors Barnstar''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | This barnstar is awarded to '''TheRealSerenaJoy''' for copy edits totaling over 30,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the [[WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/May 2022|GOCE May 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive]]. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 02:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC) |} == Edits at Ryan Kavanaugh == Hi TheRealSerenaJoy, finally the trifecta of editors coming to scare you away from editing. No, I think that the environment over there is very toxic, as highly socked/paid areas often become. Everyone has so much fun booting off socks they forget that {{abbr|sometimes|(or often if you're the type to extend your good faith olive branch)}} new editors are the good faith kind like yourself. No doubt the suspicions leveled at you were a huge over reaction, but I don't think they come from a place of bad faith, just lack of agf. I'd have emailed you but A) I can't, B) In the interest of {{abbr|transparency|or a tad of support that was left wanting}} this works better. [[User:Pabsoluterince|Pabsoluterince]] ([[User talk:Pabsoluterince|talk]]) 11:59, 13 June 2022 (UTC) :Thanks for the note. Yes, I do think the reaction was a bit overzealous. If I have an issue with an edit I think is wrong, I fix it and mark it in the revision note. If the explanation is long enough, I'd leave a comment for that user if it were substantial enough to warrant so. I would never ask "why are you editing this page? Do you have a conflict of interest?" as these two have done. And yes, I see in looking through the page history, what appears to be suspicious activity, and sadly the reactions here and the peeking I've done on the page so far lead me to believe that the two editors in question who have parked themselves like a couple of trolls under the bridge, are being paid. Arguing over whether to call the guy a producer or not when the larger part of the ~87 sources assign him the title of producer (one article does so at least 10 times within) makes me wonder, why the fight on such a stupid matter that is clearly verifiable in print? They're arguing to keep the article wrong? Why? That screams COI to me. I've not had any terrible experiences with Wikipedia for the most part people have been helpful and pleasant. But I am going to do more research on this because (regarding specifically the COI accusation) "whoever smelt it, dealt it" usually is more accurate than not. I also had to defend my honor since I got 4th? or 5th? place for participation in last month's GOCE drive. ;) Thanks again. PS: feel welcome to email, I did not realize I had "allow emails" unchecked in prefs. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 16:18, 13 June 2022 (UTC) ::[https://imgur.com/gallery/OgTcc5c Wait]... I don't think so. Most editors don't just decide to start getting paid after a thousand edits and several years. For Popoki35, looks like someone who was intially topics surrounding Kavanaugh, somewhat along the lines of a SPA, but just edit following their interests. I can attest to the fact that the controversy section is the easiest to contribute to for BLP, because it's more interesting. Kavanaugh is not the only one recieving Popoki35's attention. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Theranos&diff=prev&oldid=1062002436 Theranos][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Live_Nation_Entertainment&diff=prev&oldid=1062946570 Live Nation Entertainment][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jordan_Peterson&diff=prev&oldid=1067841012 Jordan Peterson][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thierry_Meyssan&diff=prev&oldid=1076307235 Thierry Meyssan]. [[User:Pabsoluterince|Pabsoluterince]] ([[User talk:Pabsoluterince|talk]]) 12:39, 14 June 2022 (UTC) :::I hear you.... it's a rather "obscure" interest to have, but to each his/her/their own I guess. But with so much attention in this area, I'd expect they'd be SMEs... and to get something so basic as the dude's birthday, and whether he's a producer or not, (given tons of solid sources indicating the facts) feels pretty basic. To be that invested in a page, and still get the facts wrong, screams of something other than "I have an organic, deep interest in this page for no particular reason." I edit kinda sporadically but I try to get in as much as I can with free time. But wiht a real-life paying career, my priority is not Wikipedia. I also wonder who the heck has the time to edit THAT much? Editors who seem to make an unpaid career of Wikipedia must be either 16 {{emdash}} or 80 {{emdash}} and living in mom's basement and don't need to earn a living. And at 16, they'd be out smoking week, and at 80, unable to handle the complexity of markup. I trust my gut.... and my gut said I hit a nerve touching that page. But now, like a car accident - I'm both attracted and repelled simultaneously.... I can't help but want to see more of what's going on. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 23:08, 14 June 2022 (UTC) :::: There's no positive correlation with number of edits and likelihood of being a paid or COI editor (probably a negative one). I don't think the 'facts' are that clear; DOB was never wrong on the page, the question of whether we should be specify the date was discussed, and Throast and Popoki35 landed on opposite sites of the argument. The question of producing, is also not so clear IMO. There are many different types of editing reasons other than "a deep organic interest for no reason" that are fully policy adherent. [[User:Pabsoluterince|Pabsoluterince]] ([[User talk:Pabsoluterince|talk]]) 05:37, 15 June 2022 (UTC) :::::TheRealSerenaJoy, how do you expect editors to engage with you in an amicable manner at this point? All I've done is raised a few content concerns and tried to mitigate a behavioral dispute between you and {{u|Popoki35}}. Popoki35 has raised COI concerns and informed you about the troubled history of the article to help you better understand. Both of us have emphasized that we believe you edit in good faith. If I were you and had ''real'' concerns about other editors' conduct, as you seem to have with Popoki35 and me, I'd seriously consider reporting them at the appropriate noticeboard, not gossip about them on your talk page and fuel an even more hostile environment. [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 07:54, 15 June 2022 (UTC) ::::::Regarding the comment above about "The question of producing, is also not so clear IMO." What is clear is that [[WP:Consensus|consensus]] was reached at the talk page previously about how to present the material. You made a [[WP:BOLD|bold]] edit to try to change it, but that's been reverted, so you now ''must'' work with other editors and may only change the article if a ''new'' consensus is reached at the talk page. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 14:54, 16 June 2022 (UTC) :::::::Thanks, @[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]. I really do appreciate the feedback. But I do still disagree with the principle that misinformation is being published and further *justified* because "4 people say so." The title of Producer and Executive Producer is 100% verifiable in many if not most of the reliable sources listed on the page. Do the personal opinions of editors trump verifiability (wikipedia deals in that which can be verified..... )? Some articles refer to him as solely a film financier, but more refer to him as producer or executive producer. And more current ones to boot. I could see the argument and push back on the title if most of the articles said he was not a real producer, but that is not the case. Thanks for any additional insights as I'd love to put the question to bed. '''<span style="font-family:Great Vibes">[[User:TheRealSerenaJoy|<span style="color:#36A004">The Real Serena Joy</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TheRealSerenaJoy#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 16:54, 16 June 2022 (UTC) ::::::::What I see is a pure content issue, which is best handled at the article's talk page. It has not helped your cause that you haven't provided clear examples of references that call him a producer in short blocks of text; frankly, the [[WP:Wall of text|wall of text]] on the talk page makes it hard to follow what's happened with the recent discussion. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 17:32, 16 June 2022 (UTC) == I have sent you a note about a page you started == Hello, TheRealSerenaJoy Thank you for creating [[Mars House]]. [[User:North8000]], while examining this page as a part of our [[WP:NPP|page curation process]], had the following comments: {{Bq|1=Thanks for your work. IMO meets wp:notability requirements for a separate article but IMO it still might be better merged into the NFT article. I marked it as reviewed. Happy editing!}} To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{code|<nowiki>{{Re|</nowiki>North8000<nowiki>}}</nowiki>}}. 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