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Merge

I believe this article should be merged into George Floyd protests not Killing of George Floyd because the time is primarily used in protest. Waters.Justin (talk) 20:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I agree. I don't think this merits a separate article. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note that there is a much longer discussion about the merge on the George Floyd article here - please participate there -- phoebe / (talk to me) 18:19, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:40, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

8 feet 46 inches

Just wondering why this page chose 8' 46" and not 8:56? Kire1975 (talk) 07:14, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? It has nothing to do with "8 feet and 46 inches". It is a reference to "8 minutes and 46 seconds". It's a measure of time, not length or distance. Specifically, the amount of time that the police officer held his knee on Floyd's neck. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:36, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's my question. Why does this page use the prime symbol for minutes and the double prime symbol for seconds? Just found the page and it's extremely rare? Who chose it and what was their reasoning? Kire1975 (talk) 16:45, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty common usage, see the prime symbol page. IdreamofJeanie (talk)

The source on the prime symbol page says it's "not particularly common". Kire1975 (talk) 05:07, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Side comment—while the URL encoding is correct for the UTF-8 prime and double-prime, the typeface specified in CSS for the article title is actually displaying what would be right single and double quotation marks, not primes. Bad typeface! Primes do not slant, and Wikipedia should choose a better quality typeface where this important detail is correct. 2601:3CA:204:F860:93B:D07B:C6B5:E16B (talk) 07:00, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because 8:46 used to be an article about a 9/11 documentary. But that has since been turned into a redirect to a list of 9/11 documentaries, based on the documentary not being notable under WP:NFILM. I just re-pointed 8:46 to this article, which is definitely the more common usage of 8:46 than some non-notable documentary. Personally, I think the article should be moved to 8:46, if it's not merged somewhere else. I'd wait to see what happens with the merger discussions, and if it survives as a stand-alone, I'd support moving it from 8'46" to 8:46, because that is the more common notation style in the US. I'd also support 8min46sec or 8 minutes and 46 seconds (to differentiate from either 8 feet, 46 inches, or 8 hours, 46 minutes), but ultimately we should call it using whatever notation style is most often used by RSes. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 18:11, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why not just simply 8m46s ? There isn't really a need to use three-letter abbreviations for minute/second, in combination merely one letter suffices in people knowing what it means, that's the notation YouTube uses for timestamps for example, if you use a ?t= command to begin playing from within the video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.27.14.240 (talk) 17:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

8' 46" is not an acceptable format per MOS:UNITSYMBOLS. As 8:46 is ambiguous with 8 h 46 min, the title should probably just be spelled out as 8 minutes 46 seconds, with the short forms as redirects.—Bagumba (talk) 01:38, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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8′46″ → 8m46s – More obvious meaning, easier to type 70.27.14.240 (talk) 17:27, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I don't think it has more obvious meaning. While there is a URL with those characters (www.8m46s.com), even that website has to title its page as "8 minutes 46 seconds" and provide text to explain what it is about. Many news articles describe the time as 8 minutes and 46 seconds. 8m46s doesn't seem much better than 8′46″, which is also confusing.VikingB (talk) 21:15, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Move instead to 8 minutes and 46 seconds Per MOS:UNITNAMES, In prose, unit names should be given in full if used only a few times ..., which seems appropriate for a page title. If unit symbols are to be used, the MOS recommends using min and s, e.g. "8 min 46 s". Do not use ′ (′), ″ (″), apostrophe (') or quote (") for minutes or seconds. Finally, "8:46" is ambiguous: Use this format only where it is clear from context whether it means hours and minutes (H:MM) or minutes and seconds (M:SS).—Bagumba (talk) 02:03, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Move instead to "8 minutes and 46 seconds" per MOS:UNITNAMES and also per WP:COMMONNAME, e.g. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. "8 minutes, 46 seconds" [6] [7] or "8 minutes 46 seconds" [8] would also work for me. "8:46" is in use [9] but it is ambiguous and disfavored by MOS:UNITNAMES. I haven't done any kind of comprehensive analysis, but my impression is that "8 minutes and 46 seconds" is the form most commonly used by sources. I don't think either 8'46" or 8min46sec are commonly used by sources.Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 05:45, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As the title is not an official title nor a trademark, where WP:MOSTM would apply, the styling that other sources use should be insignificant factor. We should just follow WP's MOS for styling the time duration.—Bagumba (talk) 09:59, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support for a move to 8 minutes and 46 seconds VikingB (talk) 14:26, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to "8 minutes and 46 seconds" per above. I think the creator of this page was trying to use the same format as the musical composition "4′33″", but that's different as it's the actual name of an artistic work. Paintspot Infez (talk) 15:29, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to "8 minutes and 46 seconds", which is the most common format being used in print media. Rhythmnation2004 (talk) 17:13, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I support a move to 8 minutes and 46 seconds per Bagumba & Levivich. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:28, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose 8m46s and 8 minutes and 46 seconds, move instead to "8 min 46 s" per MOS. "8 minutes and 46 seconds" I think is too long. Brad (talk) 04:45, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
MOS:UNITNAMES says to spell out the units upon first use (at least): In prose, unit names should be given in full if used only a few times, but symbols may be used when a unit (especially one with a long name) is used repeatedly, after spelling out the first use—Bagumba (talk) 05:46, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support moved to 8 minutes and 46 seconds per reason above. The current name is misleading and could be also referred to 8 feets 46 inches. This article also not yet as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, so disambiguate page is needed. 36.77.95.210 (talk) 22:43, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I have undone the previous improper close of this discussion and the page move. The closer (Psiĥedelisto) declared this a SNOW close, which does not apply when there are two opposes, and this was not allowed to run the prescribed seven days. -- Fuzheado | Talk 15:48, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Non-supportive references

This article (as of June 12 2020) contains 49 separate references. Of those 49, only 17 (less than half) specifically refer to the 8 minutes 46 seconds, which is the article's subject. Per Wikipedia guidelines, those other references do nothing to support the article, and should be removed. Truthanado (talk) 18:42, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you WP:BOLDly remove them in an edit or many edits? Or at least list them out? VikingB (talk) 12:55, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

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