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[edit]- Plants vs. Zombies (disambiguation) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Only the first game and the franchise go by the name of just simply "Plants vs. Zombies" meaning that this disambiguation page is absolutely not needed. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 00:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Video games and Disambiguations. C F A 💬 00:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The article doesn't disambiguate anything, Zxcvbnm's statement is right, and Sergecross is also right. MK at your service. 12:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Article just has the list of Plants vs Zombies games on it and nothing else and it seems unlikely anything else would be called "Plants vs Zombies". Knockknock987 (talk) 15:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
* Speedy Keep Sources were easy to find that call the games Plants vs. Zombies 2 etc. Dr vulpes (Talk) 00:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Schiller, Mike (2013-09-20). "Game Picks". The News and Observer. Raleigh, North Carolina, United States of America. pp. D2. Retrieved 2024-09-03.
'Plants Vs. Zombies 2' "Plants vs. Zombies 2" (iPhone; Free; Rated 9+) is a little more graceful about the way it goes about the free-to-play business model, as it rarely feels as though paying is a requirement to enjoying the game. While it is frustrating that, after finishing one world, you have to either pay money or collect stars by replaying levels, collecting stars never really feels like that much of a chore. This is largely in part to another challenge system. Rather than simply doing what you've already done, you get variations on the levels with new requirements. It's a good thing they took the approach of offering variations on the levels, too, because the core play style of "Plants Vs. Zombies 2".
Snow, Nathan (2017-04-28). "Plants vs Zombies Heroes great strategy intro". The Daily Spectrum. Saint George, Utah, United States of America. pp. A4. Retrieved 2024-09-03.- Delete I'm a fool and managed to misread multiple things. Dr vulpes (Talk) 02:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Schiller, Mike (2013-09-20). "Game Picks". The News and Observer. Raleigh, North Carolina, United States of America. pp. D2. Retrieved 2024-09-03.
- What does that have to do with the disambiguation page? No one is suggesting we delete Plants vs. Zombies 2 page itself... Sergecross73 msg me 01:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oops I thought they were talking about the game titles having more content in them then just Plants vs Zombies. Guess I misread that one! Dr vulpes (Talk) 02:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- No worries, kind of figured it was something like that. Sergecross73 msg me 03:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oops I thought they were talking about the game titles having more content in them then just Plants vs Zombies. Guess I misread that one! Dr vulpes (Talk) 02:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- What does that have to do with the disambiguation page? No one is suggesting we delete Plants vs. Zombies 2 page itself... Sergecross73 msg me 01:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but those games are not called Plants Vs. Zombies. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not actually a disambiguation page, and this series is too small to need a list. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- generally speaking, pages in a disambiguation page generally must only include entities that go by the exact same name. Say for example, Mega Man (disambiguation) only includes entities titled "Mega Man" as opposed to including entities without the exact common name such as Mega Man II or Mega Man X. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:27, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, and this series only has two, the series and the first game, so this page should be deleted. QuicoleJR (talk) 09:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- generally speaking, pages in a disambiguation page generally must only include entities that go by the exact same name. Say for example, Mega Man (disambiguation) only includes entities titled "Mega Man" as opposed to including entities without the exact common name such as Mega Man II or Mega Man X. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:27, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Nothing to disambiguate and has no content not already in Plants vs. Zombies. cyberdog958Talk 05:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Plants vs. Zombies already exists, which lists all PvZ games. There is no reason to disambiguate the topic. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 10:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete A DAB page is not a search index. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Agree per above. No one refers to Plants vs Zombies 2 as simply Plants vs Zombies. This is an example of WP:ONEOTHER even though a few more items are listed JuniperChill (talk) 11:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: WP:REDUNFORK of Plants vs. Zombies Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - appears to have been created by a newer editor who probably doesn't understand the purpose for r concept of a dab page, because this doesn't serve one. Sergecross73 msg me 12:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete no disambiguation needed. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Marked page for a speedy per WP:AVALANCHE. TheWikiToby (talk) 02:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's not a WP:CSD. We really just need someone to close this discussion, which we're due for as we're already past the standard 7 day listing. Sergecross73 msg me 12:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- This page was listed on the 4th so its hasn't even been 7 days yet. However, I wouldve expected to be closed as delete due to WP:SNOW now. JuniperChill (talk) 12:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Whoops, thought I saw a "Sept 1" up there. But yes, while a speedy delete doesn't make sense, a snow delete does any time now. Sergecross73 msg me 13:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- This page was listed on the 4th so its hasn't even been 7 days yet. However, I wouldve expected to be closed as delete due to WP:SNOW now. JuniperChill (talk) 12:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's not a WP:CSD. We really just need someone to close this discussion, which we're due for as we're already past the standard 7 day listing. Sergecross73 msg me 12:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Covet Fashion (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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lacks significant coverage from reliable sources, failing to meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Loewstisch (talk) 13:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 16:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete VICE is major significant coverage, and I found additional SIGCOV here in this physical book, but Venture Beat seems more like an interview/primary source. I am not seeing GNG being passed here. If others discover more, I am willing to change my opinion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I was able to find this article from Fortune, but it requires a subscription to read so I'm unable to assess if it's significant coverage or not. I also found another interview from Venture Beat and short coverage from Bleeding Cool about a New York Fashion Week update - I don't think these really demonstrate notability but they may be useful for a 'development' section if article is kept. Waxworker (talk) 02:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- keep the coverage in Fortune appears to be an article solely on the topic. The Vice article is clearly above the WP:N bar. The Bleeding Cool one is probably above the bar for "significant". That's 2 or 3 sources, all of which are solely focused on the topic. The other sources have decent information, but appear to be press releases or otherwise primary. Hobit (talk) 14:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Vector TDx (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Got reviews from IGN and PocketGamer, everything else is an unreliable source or trivial mention. Attempts to find significant coverage in magazines failed. Doesn't seem to pass the notability threshold for a new article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Could not find more sources about this game. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I think this might get there. Small review from The Guardian [1]. My read of WP:SALON.COM is that it's borderline as a source. ~ A412 talk! 15:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's fairly small, so I won't immediately withdraw the nomination, though I do admit that it might push people to "weak keep". Now I essentially have no opinion about whether it should get deleted or not. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I dug through the web and found few more sources: Four more passing mentions on IGN, JayIsGames (twice), Four more passing mentions on Kotaku, and a few more articles on PocketGamer (1, 2, 3, 4). Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 10:16, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's fairly small, so I won't immediately withdraw the nomination, though I do admit that it might push people to "weak keep". Now I essentially have no opinion about whether it should get deleted or not. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:38, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to SimCity 2000#Development as an acceptable ATD. Owen× ☎ 00:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fred Haslam (game designer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Nothing notable about this individual (at least according to this article) Theknine2 (talk) 15:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to SimCity 2000#Development, which has the most information out of his associated works. Couldn't find so much as an interview. ~ A412 talk! 17:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I've only found Kotaku briefly mentioning the individual, but no sources that would demonstrate that the person meets the WP:GNG criteria. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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- SureAI (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Appears to fail notability, a timeline of released works. IgelRM (talk) 17:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Obvious keep, extremely famous modding team/dev studio that won several mods of the year awards, plenty of IRS coverage. [2][3][4][5] This is a gross failure of WP:BEFORE. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- "fame" is not notability and Wikipedia:NOTINHERITED. The Eurogamer feature is good, but it is not an obvious keep. The other sources don't look like significant coverage, regardless I should take a break from AFD noms for a while. IgelRM (talk) 02:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- On the topic of notability and Skyrim related things, you do know wikipedia has articles about dated memes from decades ago? Like that arrow to the knee article. Here, we're talking about arguably the most famous modding studio which made arguably the best known (single player; non e-sport) title in history, Enderal, which is in essence a full fledged AA video game which just happens to use the same engine and some of the assets of the original. Not to mention that these devs have also developed 2 indie titles. We have articles about literalwho studios and people who've made maybe one indie game that no one has heard of, surely this one deserves an article as well. and inb4 the other stuff exists rule has never been actually enforced, wikipedia's rules are like the precedent law, people base their decisions on practice, not on some obscure laws that no one enforces Kasperquickly (talk) 17:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- "fame" is not notability and Wikipedia:NOTINHERITED. The Eurogamer feature is good, but it is not an obvious keep. The other sources don't look like significant coverage, regardless I should take a break from AFD noms for a while. IgelRM (talk) 02:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep meets NCORP. [6][7][8][9][10] etc. C F A 💬 23:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- All except gamerant.com, report on the same announcement of a commercial game. IgelRM (talk) 02:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Does it matter? They still offer several paragraphs of significant coverage of the company. C F A 💬 03:12, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- If a single event is will covered, it might make more sense to mention it, e.g. on the legacy of Nehrim, Nosgoth, than to write about the subject (similar to WP:SINGLEEVENT). IgelRM (talk) 23:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Does it matter? They still offer several paragraphs of significant coverage of the company. C F A 💬 03:12, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- All except gamerant.com, report on the same announcement of a commercial game. IgelRM (talk) 02:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. They are one of the most well-known game modding groups.
- The main issue I see is that much of what I added to the history section uses SureAI's self-published timeline as the main reference, but the page was established as notable before I even did this. I think better sources may be needed, but that doesn't qualify this for deletion. TheSmumbo (talk) 03:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just to explain my reasoning, I did not nominate because of the use of self-published sources. I think the article does not go beyond a database entry and I could not find sources to change that. IgelRM (talk) 23:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails WP:CORP. The Eurogamer article is the only one that is significant coverage, not enough to meet notability. The rest are news stories that focus on the games they were developing, not the company. They don't "address the subject of the article directly and in depth". See also WP:CORPDEPTH: There should be "coverage that provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond brief mentions and routine announcements". All of these news articles are just that "routine announcements", not significant coverage of the company. --Mika1h (talk) 09:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Each article has at least 1-2 paragraphs of coverage of the company. Some have more. Sure, I wouldn't say it's an "obvious keep", but I do think the coverage adds up to NCORP. C F A 💬 16:18, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:CORPDEPTH: "collection of multiple trivial sources does not become significant". --Mika1h (talk) 22:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Several paragraphs about the company is nowhere near "trivial". Some of the articles aren't entirely about the company itself, and instead focus on the company's games, but they still offer some significant coverage that counts towards NCORP.
Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.
C F A 💬 00:10, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Several paragraphs about the company is nowhere near "trivial". Some of the articles aren't entirely about the company itself, and instead focus on the company's games, but they still offer some significant coverage that counts towards NCORP.
- Per WP:CORPDEPTH: "collection of multiple trivial sources does not become significant". --Mika1h (talk) 22:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- A modding team, that won multiple awards, including The Game Awards for best fan creation (2016), multiple mods of year awards from several publications, now a full game studio with several releases.
- That's like saying Christopher Nolan isn't notable, only his movies are. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- No it's not, organizations have higher notability requirements than people. Coverage of companies products doesn't contribute to the notability of the company. --Mika1h (talk) 22:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, if Mr. Nolan has no sourcing about him, we can't create an article for him. Oaktree b (talk) 00:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- It really depends on how much weight we give the Eurogamer feature (which also intends to highlight modding in general). In my view, because the majority of information here can only be gleaned from primary source, a good legacy section on Enderal would make more sense. IgelRM (talk) 00:17, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- This would be a good compromise. TheSmumbo (talk) 05:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Each article has at least 1-2 paragraphs of coverage of the company. Some have more. Sure, I wouldn't say it's an "obvious keep", but I do think the coverage adds up to NCORP. C F A 💬 16:18, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Enderal, their most notable project. This is why I don't like the extreme narrowing of CORP that has taken place over the last several years. Yes keeping commercial spam off of Wikipedia is important, but removing coverage of organizations(including one that in this case was originally not for profit) that produce notable products doesn't help our readers if the pages aren't poorly written promos, as this one is not. Eluchil404 (talk) 00:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete: Coverage I find is all about Skyrim mods, I suppose we could have a brief mention there, but there isn't much of anything about this company themselves. Oaktree b (talk) 00:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- This is about SureAI themselves. Likewise, [11][12] is a two part interview of SureAI's project lead. Another on RPGWatch [13] and GamerGlobal.de [14]. This is about the future (in 2021) projects of SureAI (i.e. Dreadful River). There's plenty more, i.e. the awards they won etc.... Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Reviewing several of the above linked articles I agree there is sufficient notability and coverage that the subject is worthy of an article on Wikipedia, including the Eurogamer article and others. For clarity - WP:ORGCRIT was explicitly created to require stronger criteria are to "prevent gaming of the rules by marketing and public relations professionals", and I see no evidence of such gaming here. (For the record - I am discounting the Articy articles as these do not appear intellectually independent of the subject). ResonantDistortion 22:08, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I'd go out on a limb and say that they are probably the most famous mod maker of all time. Enderal alone is arguably the best single player mod of all time (and also one of my favourite RPGs of all time), and all 3 of their "mods" are really just fan made games just using the engines of actual for profit software. we have i believe standalone articles for much smaller and less well known video game companies, so deleting this article solely because their games were free and technically considered "mods" by some would be a mistake, in my opinion. Best regards, Kasperquickly (talk) 16:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Notability is not inherited, and this fails WP:NCORP. Arguing that other companies exist with fewer references is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Note that this is not debating that their games are notable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:46, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is literally the rule that everyone ignores on wikipedia, because if they didn't, the whole ruleset would fall apart. Reminder, this encyclopedia has a rule specifically mentioning that stuff known for only one event is not notable, yet it has hundreds of individual articles about stuff only known for the Kennedy's murder, including a standalone article about the rifle he's been shot with. Come on. Kasperquickly (talk) 23:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Enderal as per the suggestion above by Eluchil404 seems like the best WP:ATD option considering that the topic company fails GNG/WP:NCORP criteria for establishing notability. *None* of the sourcing meets the criteria, several Keep !voters have provided sourcing to suggest the company meets the criteria but those sources are either relatively high-level descriptions of the company (therefore failing WP:CORPDEPTH which requires in-depth content about the *company*) or rely on information provided by the company/team (e.g. by way of interviews, thereby failing WP:ORGIND as the *content* is not independent). HighKing++ 12:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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