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Information & Ethics committee I'm sorry. Would you mind repeating the question?
May 5th, 2022Committee meeting
Mustafa Farooq
Information & Ethics committee Yes, absolutely.
May 5th, 2022Committee meeting
Mustafa Farooq
Information & Ethics committee Sure. I think that the pre-eminent most recent case of relevance for this committee was a decision of Justice Gleeson from the Federal Court about a year and a half ago. This was a stunning decision by Justice Gleeson, wherein he essentially eviscerated CSIS for a persistent habit of trying to mislead the court.
May 5th, 2022Committee meeting
Mustafa Farooq
Information & Ethics committee Respectfully, I think we may have a difference of opinion on this question. Given the potential risks posed to Canadians through FRT, and given the fact that unfortunately our law enforcement agencies have not been appropriately forthcoming, we think a moratorium is appropriate in the non-commercial context.
May 5th, 2022Committee meeting
Mustafa Farooq
Information & Ethics committee I think that there are a number of measures. Of course, I think it would require potential regulatory or statutory change. We would be happy to provide a more extensive answer in terms of precise suggested legislative language in our written brief as well.
May 5th, 2022Committee meeting
Mustafa Farooq
Information & Ethics committee First of all, we're all hoping that you're doing okay and that your neighbours and everyone else are doing okay.
May 5th, 2022Committee meeting
Mustafa Farooq
Information & Ethics committee Generally, if the question is whether we think that as it has been legislatively set out, the standards for obtaining warrants should be similarly applied to FRT in investigative contexts, then there are a couple of slight nuances that need to be done. Generally, the answer is yes, there should be a judicial—
May 5th, 2022Committee meeting
Mustafa Farooq
Information & Ethics committee The nuances come in to some extent when looking at section 8, search and seizure. There would be a bundle of evidence that would go before a judge. That's where things would kick into play.
May 5th, 2022Committee meeting
Mustafa Farooq
Information & Ethics committee I've heard just what's public, what's been published publicly about them, but I've no specific knowledge.
May 5th, 2022Committee meeting
Mustafa Farooq
Information & Ethics committee Is the question whether more human interaction would ameliorate the problems of FRT? Am I understanding that correctly?
May 5th, 2022Committee meeting
Mustafa Farooq
Information & Ethics committee Respectfully, I actually don't think that would be entirely sufficient. The reality is that while of course human checks are important, we also know that there is a problem of systemic racism and bias within our police agencies. I don't think that human checks would be fully sufficient.
May 5th, 2022Committee meeting
Mustafa Farooq
Information & Ethics committee Absolutely, and thank you for this very important question. We will provide a longer exploration in a brief submission, but what I would say in general is, first of all, that I think the banning of real-time FRT in places like airports and our borders is important as we think about a general categorization.
May 5th, 2022Committee meeting
Mustafa Farooq
Information & Ethics committee I wouldn't want to speak on behalf of any particular agency, obviously. To the best of my knowledge, after complaints were brought forward to the Vancouver police specifically, that jurisdiction imposed a moratorium now on FRT technologies. However, we know that is not a universal standard.
May 5th, 2022Committee meeting
Mustafa Farooq
Information & Ethics committee Other than very peripheral conversations, no.
May 5th, 2022Committee meeting
Mustafa Farooq
Information & Ethics committee Other than to this committee, we have put forward nothing formal, other than other concerns around online harm regulation and the role that AI plays in that conversation.
May 5th, 2022Committee meeting
Mustafa Farooq