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Welcome to Playbook Deep Dive, the stories behind the power. From Congress and the White House to bar stools and back rooms, POLITICO Playbook’s Ryan Lizza brings you interviews with the most compelling and important figures who explain what’s really going on in Washington.
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Tick Boot Camp

Matt Sabatello and Rich Johannesen

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The goal of the Tick Boot Camp Podcast is to help people liberate themselves and others from suffering caused by Lyme disease through validation, community building, belief that healing is possible, and modeling success. Listen to our Tick Boot Camp podcast using all major podcast streaming services such as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and Google Podcasts. Our podcast is also integrated with smart home devices, such as Amazon Alexa and Apple TV. Ask your device to "play the Tick Boot Camp Podcast!"
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A special bonus episode from Deep Dive's POLITICO sister podcast, Power Play: With the U.S. presidential debate now confirmed, our Power Play guests explain the tips and tricks that could help Donald Trump or Kamala Harris win their first head-to-head encounter on Sept. 10 — and why there has been a pre-debate row over format and mics. POLITICO’s A…
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In this enlightening episode of the Tick Boot Camp Podcast, hosts Matt Sabatello and special guest co-host Justin Lindorf sit down with Dr. Andrew Petersen, a Lyme-literate medical doctor with over 24 years of experience in treating chronic Lyme disease and other complex chronic illnesses. Dr. Petersen shares his unique journey into medicine, drive…
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Democratic kingmaker Nancy Pelosi has come to be pegged as the chief force behind President Joe Biden’s decision to step down from his reelection campaign — a claim that she refuses to dignify much. While Pelosi no longer wields the Speaker’s gavel, its absence hasn’t done much to stifle her power within the party. She’s not only the first female S…
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Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders joins Playbook co-author and Deep Dive host Ryan Lizza to give his candid thoughts on Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign, including whether he thinks Joe Biden should have stepped aside in the first place; how Democrats can win back young people, minorities, and progressives; as well as where he agrees with Harris’…
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In this compelling episode of the Tick Boot Camp Podcast, we sit down with Luke Abroms, a firefighter from Birmingham, Alabama, to discuss his battle with Lyme disease. Luke shares his story, starting with his life before Lyme, the sudden onset of symptoms at the age of 32, and the difficult journey toward a correct diagnosis. Despite numerous visi…
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With the Democratic National Convention just days away, Doug Sosnik, a longtime Dem strategist best known for being a top adviser to Bill Clinton, joins the show to help unpack the new fundamentals of the 2024 presidential campaign. Sosnik and Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza discuss: Why the gender gap is getting larger — and how it could impact the …
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In this enlightening episode of the Tick Boot Camp Podcast, host Matt Sabatello and special guest co-host Candace Matthis from Two Alpha Gals sit down with Nick Perfumo, a 37-year-old from Greensboro, NC, who shares his challenging journey with Lyme disease, Alpha-gal syndrome, Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS), and Ehlers Danlos Syndrome (EDS).…
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Anita Dunn left her position as a senior advisor to president Joe Biden this week, marking the end of an era for the White House. She was a key architect of his 2020 presidential campaign and one of his closest advisors throughout her tenure. On this episode of Deep Dive, Dunn joins host and Playbook co-author Ryan LIzza to talk about the extraordi…
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In this episode, Tick Boot Camp welcomes Ryan Cassata, a 30-year-old musician, activist, and Lyme disease warrior based in Los Angeles, CA. Ryan shares his compelling journey from a bustling music career to grappling with chronic illnesses like Babesiosis and Rickettsia. Through his candid discussion, Ryan provides insights into the challenges of l…
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When President Joe Biden dropped out of the race and the Democratic party rallied around Kamala Harris as his replacement, North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper was widely considered to be a top choice to serve as Harris’s running mate. But Cooper did something unusual: he told the Harris team he didn’t want to be considered as her running mate. On th…
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In this enlightening episode of the Tick Boot Camp Podcast, co-hosts Matt Sabatello and Kaitlyn Oleinik sit down with Claudia Arias, the founder of Sacred Space Counseling. A Lyme literate therapist specializing in EMDR, Claudia brings her own Lyme journey to the forefront, offering invaluable insights into how her personal experiences have shaped …
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Playbook co-author Eugene Daniels and POLITICO politics bureau chief Jonathan Martin join host Ryan Lizza to tackle questions about Vice President Kamala Harris’s new role at the top of the Democratic ticket, including: What really caused Joe Biden to end his quest for a second term? How did Kamala Harris lock up the nomination so fast? And what is…
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In this compelling episode of the Tick Boot Camp Podcast, we sit down with Chris Lizza, a 27-year-old from New Jersey who has been battling Lyme disease and its myriad complications since he was first bitten by ticks at age 13. Chris shares his intensive journey through misdiagnoses, various treatments, and his ongoing fight against Lyme disease, a…
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Congressman Richard Hudson is chairman of the National Republican Campaign Committee, which is to say, he’s in charge of delivering a majority in November for Speaker Mike Johnson and possibly President Donald Trump. In this episode of Playbook Deep Dive, Hudson discusses how the recent assassination attempt on Donald Trump and the possibility of J…
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Georgia Governor Brian Kemp joins for a bonus episode of Playbook Deep Dive. In a live interview from the Republican National Convention, Kemp — a swing state governor with a famously conflicted relationship with Trump — opines on how Saturday’s assassination attempt will change both Trump and Biden’s election strategy; his thoughts on J.D. Vance, …
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In this special collaborative episode, co-hosts Matt Sabatello and Rich Johannesen of the Tick Boot Camp Podcast join forces with Cassidy Colbert from the It Goes Without Saying podcast and Lacey Anderson from the Your Lyme Matters podcast. This episode marks a unique triple-platform broadcast aimed at reaching as many people as possible within the…
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Elaine Kamarck is a longtime member of the DNC’s rules committee, a scholar at Brookings, a former advisor to top Democrats such as Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Walter Mondale; and author of “Primary Politics: Everything You Need to Know about How America Nominates Its Presidential Candidates.” On this episode of Playbook Deep Dive, Playbook co-autho…
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In this episode of the Tick Boot Camp Podcast, host Matt Sabatello and guest special guest co-host Kelsey Hall welcome Julie Mellae, a passionate Lyme disease advocate and author of Australian Lyme Crimes: The Global Disgrace. Julie shares her personal journey battling Lyme disease and the extensive research she conducted for her book, revealing st…
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Utah Governor Spencer Cox is a longtime Trump critic who is known nationally for his work to depolarize American politics. This week, Cox easily defeated a far-right opponent in the Republican primary. So too did a slate of other Utah Republicans. While national Republicans continue to move in Trump’s direction, in Utah, the Romney faction of the G…
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In this episode of the Tick Boot Camp Podcast, we dive into the inspiring journey of Rayanne Marie Collins, a professional bodybuilder who has faced the challenges of Lyme disease head-on. From her early struggles with undiagnosed symptoms to her eventual diagnosis and ongoing treatment, Rayanne's story is one of resilience, determination, and the …
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Bob Bauer is President Joe Biden’s personal lawyer and was general counsel to both of Barack Obama’s presidential campaigns. But over the last three decades, he’s developed another specialty practice: playing the role of his candidate’s rival during debate prep. Bauer has helped Democratic candidates prepare for debates by playing the likes of Bern…
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In this episode of the Tick Boot Camp Podcast, we welcome Dr. Brian Plante, a licensed naturopathic doctor specializing in integrative, whole-person healthcare. Dr. Plante shares his journey from Minnesota to California, his extensive training in naturopathic medicine, and his passion for treating complex chronic illnesses such as Lyme disease. He …
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South Carolina Congressman Jim Clyburn is often considered the single most important person in helping Joe Biden win the Democratic nomination in 2020. Now, in 2024, Clyburn is one of Biden’s six campaign co-chairs. On this episode of Deep Dive, Clyburn joins host and Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza to discuss: Biden’s weakness with Black and Latino …
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In this episode of the Tick Boot Camp Podcast, we are thrilled to have Dr. Emily Rowe, a functional medicine practitioner at the Miami Beach Comprehensive Wellness Center. Joining as a special guest co-host is Theora Dobronte, who previously appeared on episode 176. Dr. Rowe shares her personal Lyme disease journey and discusses the innovative West…
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