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What Pooh Might Have Said to Dante and Other Futile Speculations by Manny Rayner
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Praise for What Pooh Might Have Said To Dante:

"...would make a great present for somebody who's never heard of GoodReads before, like maybe a caveman recently unfrozen from an ancient glacier" - BirdBrian

"Having observed both Counsel extremely closely, I am compelled to find that the market value of Mr Rayner's efforts is precisely Nil" - Ian G

"... something rather amateurish that looked like it had been done in somebody's back room" - notgettingenough

"Manny doesn't like Harry Potter and sometimes I get mad at him and threaten to throw him into the ocean" - Mariel

"Felkeltem, ál-tudományos, falloszentrista, szexista szemetet" - Sakkfeminizmus

"Not bad for an over-aged hairball" - Marvin

"To be completely honest -- meh." - David L

"I bought this as a gift for my mum and there was rather more sex in it than I had expected." - Hamish

"... a waste of time... you can read all that stuff for free online" - Paul B

"The future is an endless oneupmanship to see who can write the wittiest, most popular 200-word capsule review on fuck-all. This is Manny’s fault." - MJ

"... call it Rue Vomitorium" - David C

"... good if you read it in the original failboatese" - Vote Whore

"... almost... funny" - Traveller

"... just ... some ... book" - Michael P

"Will you enjoy this? In a word, no, unless you are a masochist" - Sean D

"Never in my life I seen a more desperate attempt to get votes" - Alfonso

"... advertising..." - Esteban

"If I'd been drinking I think it could have made me seasick" - Tabitha

"The thing about Manny... he almost never throws feces at random strangers." - Kat

"... explicit ... the author has failed ..." - Scribble

"... rattling a virtual tip jar at every opportunity ..." - Jason P

"Manny, you sure are fascinated with Stephenie Meyer" - Rowena M

"GoodReads in-jokes ... off-putting ..." - Cecily

"... book snob ... insecurity ... stupid ..." - midnightfaerie

"... sexist garbage ... if you ask me, he is off his onion ..." - Nandakishore

"... ridiculous ... dilettante ..." - Rlotz

"... a pain in the testicles ..." - Faek

"... pompous ..." - Heep

"... silly ..." - Stian

"... enough..." - Alan B
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Over the last couple of years, several kind people have asked whether I'd considered publishing a collection of my best reviews. I always replied that I appreciated the suggestion, but it didn't seem like a sensible thing to do. But, a few weeks ago, I started wondering whether I shouldn't give it a shot after all. If Goodreads unexpectedly folded up - these things happen - it would be so annoying to lose my writing. Self-publishing has become cheap and easy. And I've got a fair amount of experience with type-setting. How much work could it be to implement a few scripts to turn HTML into LaTeX and then upload a PDF file to Lulu?

Well, it's never quite as straightforward as you think, but here is the result. For the benefit of other people who may feel tempted to do the same thing, let me give you the key lessons I've learned from this little adventure:

1. Sign up an editor and some readers. No author can be objective about their own work; they need keen external eyes to tell them both what's good and what's bad about it. It was fortunate for me that notgettingenough, who has long-term experience with publishing, took an early interest in the project and was willing to act as editor. She ruthlessly corrected several of my dumber ideas, forced me to think about issues I'd happily have ignored, and made sure that the book was produced to professional standards. My advisory committee - BirdBrian, Mariel and Ian - read through the manuscript and gave me encouragement and helpful suggestions. They convinced me that it was worth continuing and taking the time required to make it look good. Thank you, guys! You have all been so thoughtful and patient, and I greatly appreciate it!

2. Think carefully about which reviews to include. Not groaned over my initial selection, which probably took an hour to do and had no structure whatsoever. She encouraged me to group the reviews by style and type of book, after which I saw that some things were grossly overrepresented. Even if bashing Twilight is the Goodreads national sport, I didn't need this many examples of the genre. And much as I love writing about Flaubert, Proust, Wittgenstein and Kasparov, it's likely that the average reader will not share my enthusiasms to the same degree.

3. Acquire at least a smattering of knowledge regarding copyright. As I now understand it, most quoted text that might appear in a Goodreads review should be covered by the rules on Fair Use. I found the following passage from this page helpful:
Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair:

- The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes

- The nature of the copyrighted work

- The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole

- The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work

The distinction between fair use and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.

The 1961 Report of the Register of Copyrights on the General Revision of the U.S. Copyright Law cites examples of activities that courts have regarded as fair use: "quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author's observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied..."
Unfortunately, I learned the hard way that copyrighted images are generally not easy to include: the problem is that you'll be using the whole image, rather than just an illustrative part of it. Martha, my talented cover artist, had put together the following very attractive cover:

Cool cover

But, alas, the Estate of E.H. Shepherd thought this was an "inappropriate" use of Pooh Bear's image and politely but firmly refused to grant me permission. I didn't even get that far with Penguin (Jemima Puddle-Duck) or Gallimard (the Little Prince), who still haven't given me any clear answers. Not, in her capacity as excutive editor, made the sensible but painful decision to go for a simpler solution.

So there have been a few rough moments, but all in all I found this an interesting and rewarding experience. And now, I hardly need add, I'm curious to see if anyone is going to buy it! It's available from this Lulu page.
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February 1, 2012 – Finished Reading
March 12, 2012 – Shelved
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: celebrity-death-match
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: children
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: french
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: games
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: life-is-dante
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: history-and-biography
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: life-is-proust
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: linguistics-and-philosophy
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: mentions-twilight
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: parody-homage
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: science
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: science-fiction
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: swedish-norwegian-and-danish
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: the-goodreads-experience
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: the-tragedy-of-chess
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: too-sexy-for-maiden-aunts
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: transcendent-experiences
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: well-i-think-its-funny
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: trash
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: why-not-call-it-poetry
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: no-redeeming-social-importance
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: japanese
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: blame-jordan-if-you-like
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: ainsi-va-la-vie
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: alfons
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: brigade-mondaine
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: older-men-younger-women
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: story-review
March 12, 2012 – Shelved as: strongly-recommended
March 23, 2012 – Shelved (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: ainsi-va-la-vie (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: alfons (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: brigade-mondaine (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: blame-jordan-if-you-... (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: celebrity-death-match (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: children (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: french (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: games (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: history-and-biography (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: japanese (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: life-is-dante (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: life-is-proust (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: linguistics-and-phil... (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: mentions-twilight (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: no-redeeming-social-... (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: older-men-younger-women (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: parody-homage (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: science (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: science-fiction (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: story-review (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: the-goodreads-experi... (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: swedish-norwegian-an... (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: the-tragedy-of-chess (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: too-sexy-for-maiden-... (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: transcendent-experie... (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: why-not-call-it-poetry (ebook Edition)
March 23, 2012 – Shelved as: well-i-think-its-funny (ebook Edition)
March 24, 2012 – Started Reading (ebook Edition)
March 24, 2012 – Finished Reading (ebook Edition)
June 4, 2013 – Shelved as: not-the-whole-truth

Comments Showing 1-50 of 139 (139 new)


Mariel Yes!


Manny I am smiling :)


Mariel I was reading your review of Are you a geek last night one of the many times I said I was going to sleep. Hahahahaha. Gold.


message 4: by Kwoomac (new) - added it

Kwoomac Congrats. I've always enjoyed your reviews.


Traveller This is unfair solicitation for votes!!!!
..but I'll have to make the time to read it first before you get mine. ;)

Seems so good, that I'll have to make time soon, since you are (really, I'm not joking) on my fave author's list. Hahahahahahaha


Manny Thank you so much! This all feels very nice :)


message 7: by Jimmy (new)

Jimmy I like the final cover more anyway. Simple is better, the other one looked way too busy and spread out, so that my eye had no logical spot to focus on.


message 8: by Manny (last edited Mar 13, 2012 05:47AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Manny Jimmy wrote: "I like the final cover more anyway. Simple is better, the other one looked way too busy and spread out, so that my eye had no logical spot to focus on."

Music to my charming editor's ears, I'm sure - she's been saying the same thing for a couple of weeks, but I was obstinately telling her I wanted the old one back.

Okay Not, you were right! A clear majority is backing your good judgement.


Manny Thank you Emir! I also like the way Jemima Puddle-Duck is trying to cheer him up after he blew that winning position...


message 10: by Riku (new) - added it

Riku Sayuj Congrats! The cover is still amazing you know


Manny Thank you Riku! I have definitely come around to liking it...


message 12: by Jonathan (new) - added it

Jonathan Terrington Brilliant idea that looks really good. I'll have to think about getting a copy.


Manny Thank you Jonathan! It does actually look pretty good, though I shouldn't get the main credit for that.


message 14: by Jonathan (new) - added it

Jonathan Terrington Yes well full credit to the cover designer. And to your good self for putting in the effort to write such humorous reviews.


Manny And my editor! I don't even want to think about how the book would have looked if I hadn't implemented her suggestions. All completely obvious with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, but...


message 16: by Jonathan (new) - added it

Jonathan Terrington A good editor is a precious gift for an author. The authors win all the acclaim for their work but editing can held make a book that little bit better.


Manny Believe me, it's more than a little bit. Look for example at Philip K. Dick's comments on the editor who helped him with Man in the High Castle and A Scanner Darkly. Very illuminating.


message 18: by notgettingenough (last edited Mar 13, 2012 04:09AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

notgettingenough Jonathan wrote: "A good editor is a precious gift for an author. The authors win all the acclaim for their work but editing can held make a book that little bit better."

I do have to say, it varies from a little bit to turning complete drivel into something that works. I'm disappointed by how much stuff is published these days, even by real publishing houses, that either has no, or incompetent, editorial work on it. Most recently, that I've read, I would put the third volume of Northern Lights into this category. It's a disgrace.


message 19: by Jimmy (new)

Jimmy Also: Raymond Carver's editor http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/...

Not: I think sometimes what you're talking about happens when an author gets famous and the editors start buying into the idea that the author can do no wrong, and adopts a mostly hands off approach.


notgettingenough Jimmy wrote: "Also: Raymond Carver's editor http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/...

Not: I think sometimes what you're talking about happens when an author gets famous and the editors start buying into the idea that the author can do no wrong, and adopts a mostly hands off approach. ..."


So I am led to understand. Still, there is plenty of stuff out that that isn't famous and still needs ruthless editing! And now that authors and avoid the middleman, there is a lot of complete drivel out there where people seem to think a half hearted runthrough with an American spelling program does for an edit.

Well, it doesn't.

And that leads to other disastrous results. Amazon's self-publishing arm a while ago outsourced copyediting to people who had at times an odd concept of the English language and were doing it because I imagine they come from places where they are prepared to work for inadequate wages.

So, established authors who did indeed know what they were doing, were censored hilariously for things that were their business and certainly not 'wrong'. This team of people send out notices to writers to advise them that their books have been withdrawn from sale and are considered to be in pre publication stage until they are attended to.

One can see the very very bad side of this, much as Amazon self-publishing is probably 99% incompetent.


Manny Jimmy wrote: "Also: Raymond Carver's editor http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/..."

That is a fascinating story. I'd never heard it before, and now I see Carver in a different way.


message 22: by Geoff (new)

Geoff Amazing!


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Richard What did Jessica have to say about this, Manny?


Manny Richard wrote: "What did Jessica have to say about this, Manny?"

She's a bit miffed that I'm getting more attention than she did. I keep telling her that her book is better in every way, but she's not buying it.


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Richard Manny wrote: "Richard wrote: "What did Jessica have to say about this, Manny?"

She's a bit miffed that I'm getting more attention than she did. I keep telling her that her book is better in every way, but she's..."


Well, you know I LOVE Jessica! With looks AND brains, what's not to love--I ask you? But frankly (and maybe it's best not to tell her I said so) she's had her moment in the sun with the Roger Rabbit film and everything. You know what they say: everyone has fifteen minutes of fame. So I think you deserve your time in the spotlight too.


Manny Aw, you're so nice! But I won't pass on your remarks :)


message 27: by Ted (new)

Ted So if this is a real book that can be reviewed (and read!), how does one go about doing that? (reading/procuring it)


Manny Ted wrote: "So if this is a real book that can be reviewed (and read!), how does one go about doing that? (reading/procuring it)"

You should be able to order it from this page at Lulu. At least, it works for me, and I hope I have now set the permissions correctly so that it's generally accessible!


message 29: by Ted (new)

Ted Thanks!


Manny You're very welcome!

I thought Lulu would also make it available though Amazon, but so far that doesn't seem to have happened. I must contact them and ask what's going on.


Traveller Praise for What Pooh Might Have Said To Dante:

"...would make a great present for somebody who's never heard of GoodReads before, like maybe a caveman recently unfrozen from an ancient glacier" - BirdBrian

"Having observed both Counsel extremely closely, I am compelled to find that the market value of Mr Rayner's efforts is precisely Nil" - Ian

"I was expecting something rather amateurish that looked like it had been done in somebody's back room" - notgettingenough

"Manny doesn't like Harry Potter and sometimes I get mad at him and threaten to throw him into the ocean" - Mariel

"Felkeltem, ál-tudományos, falloszentrista, szexista szemetet" - Sakkfeminizmus

"Not bad for an over-aged hairball" - Marvin

Hahaha, you guys.. you're such an entertaining bunch. XD


Traveller ...or is that just Manny...- well, Manny especially! :D


Manny Okay, okay, it's possible I was quoting a couple of people out of context. But so what? Like, everybody does it. Everybody.


message 34: by Traveller (last edited Apr 05, 2012 08:28AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Traveller As in:

"...you're such an entertaining... [genius]" - Traveller

?

;)


Manny Sorry Traveller... try as I will, I can't use that quote. Though I appreciate it all the same!


David Cerruti How does one get an autographed first edition, without traveling to europe?


message 37: by Manny (last edited Apr 08, 2012 06:29AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Manny David wrote: "How does one get an autographed first edition, without traveling to europe?"

That's a flattering question - thank you! It's possible to arrange, if you're willing to pay the extra postage involved in shipping the copy from Lulu Press to me and then on to you, rather than the direct route... unfortunately, probably around $20.


David Cerruti A difficult choice: atoms vs. electrons (paper vs. ebook).
Atoms seem more real.
Electrons can be copy/pasted, and searched.


Manny Personally, I find the paper version more aesthetic. Though it is true that a PDF will let you check Ms Sakkfeminizmus's arithmetic, should you wish to do so.


David Cerruti On second thought, I bought the eBook. Signed copies are so 20th century. I prefer the discussion forum provided by Goodreads. The whole order and delivery took only a few minutes. The book looks good. One minor disappointment with the eBook, the cover is blank.

I hope Paul tries something like this.


Manny Thank you! And I will see if I can add a cover image to the PDF. You're right, that would be nice.

I hope Paul tries something like this.

Absolutely! Paul, what are you waiting for?


Manny I have now added a cover image to the PDF edition and uploaded it to the Lulu site. David, thank you for that suggestion!


Manny Thank you Eyoki! As many people have pointed out, it is all available online, but I hope I am saving you some effort finding the good ones :)


Manny Thank you Jane!


message 45: by Manny (last edited May 18, 2012 10:48AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Manny I do not know much about your friend, but I can already see that she is a woman with good taste. I cannot imagine any present she would enjoy more.


Manny Thank you Brian - I just wish I could remember translating it from failboatese. This is a rather extreme case of drunk book reviewing, but I suppose I only have myself to blame.


message 47: by Anna (new)

Anna Great, great, great! i was waiting for it!:)) signed paper books can be the 20th century, but still, - how can I get a signed copy?:)


Manny Anna wrote: "Great, great, great! i was waiting for it!:)) signed paper books can be the 20th century, but still, - how can I get a signed copy?:)"

Thank you Anna! If anyone else is interested, we have now worked out a simple way to do it. You can pay by card here, and it will cost you USD 15 + postage from Switzerland + a small handling charge.


message 49: by mark (new)

mark monday i swear this review seems to pop up on my daily digest, well, daily. ALRIGHT ALREADY MANNY I WILL BUY THIS BOOK! I PROMISE!


Manny I will tell my agent that our quiet but relentless sales campaign is starting to bear fruit. She will be so pleased!


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