July 13, 2024 • 44 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Week of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug takes Mike Gundy to task for his comments related to his best player getting a DUI recently and receiving relatively lite punishment by Gundy.
Doug reacts to an opinion that JJ Redick's hiring with the Lakers is racist.
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Our guy Dan Byer on vacation with his family, coming
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out and the podcast. This one's going to be an
interesting one because I feel like there's a real conversation
to be had. There's a lot. There's a lot to it,
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and I kind of think I'm the perfect guy to
have this conversation. But there's also the realization that this
will likely get misconstrued and a lot of people are
gonna get mad because I'm telling the God's honest truth,
my gun. He's the head coach. Mile Mountern Oaklhama States
football coach is winning his football coach in the history
of the program. He's done an amazing job. I consider
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him a friend, a mentor, someone who I text with
occasionally gives me a ton of personal and professional advice.
I like him a lot, and I do understand on
some level the realness that he wanted to share with
the world and relate it to how he's treating the
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Doak Walker Award winner Ollie Gordon After's DUI arrest last week.
On the other hand, what what so here's my gunny
Oli Gordon, who didn't really this is what's crazy about it.
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The first three games last year, he split time. They
had three running backs and three quarterbacks. By the time
he became the go to running back, then he became
the best running back in college football. He had an
amazing year. Oli Gordon is a beloved figure. I believe
he's making somewhere close to seven figures to play football
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at my alma mater. He's done anything and everything in
the name of the university, gone to events, check hands,
kiss babies, like in terms of trying to earn it
for appearances, He's done it. But then he gets to
dui arrest last week. And this was Mike Gundy at
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Big twelve media day yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So I looked it up on my phone. What would
be the legal limit like in Oklahoma's point eight and
Ollie was point one. So I looked it up and
it was based on body weight. Not to get into
the legal side of it, but I thought, really, two
or three beers or four. I'm not justifying what all
he did. I'm telling you what decision I made. Well,
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I thought, I've probably done that a thousand times in
my life, and I'm you know, it's just fine. So
I got lucky. People get lucky. All he made a
decision that he wished he could have done better. But
when I talked to Olli, I told him, I said,
you're lucky you got out light because you make a
lot of money. To play football. So back in the day,
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being able to cover the cost of what he's going
to go through would be difficult for a college player.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It's not for him.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Now, I'm not speaking for him, but I'm just saying
that's not an issue for him. So nobody got hurt.
And I said, we see people doing this and people
lose their lives across the country, not just football players
but everybody. So you got out lucky.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah. So there's a bunch of contradictions within it, right,
because he's right, Oli was very lucky. He's right, people
have done this. Now. One of the miscalculations is the
three or four beers. That's three or four beers in
an hour. Right, you have three or four beers, You're
not going to over four or five hours. You're not
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going to go over the league of limit. You have
three or four beers within the hour, you will. I
am not some prude, I am not some unrealistic human being.
I'm by the way, I am somebody who's committed a
criminal offense, which is very different. But I'm not going
to sit here and deny that I haven't always made
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deny that I've made the wrong decision. More than ten
times in my life. But not only am I not
going to say it, I know it's not true. It
hasn't been over a thousand times, not even ten times
in which I've had a couple of beers and got
behind the wheel of a car. And I just I
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think everything about it was off. Everything about it was off.
Like your best player, your highest paid player, gets a DUI,
and your response to his punishment isn't We're going to
run him till his ankle smoke. And look, I get it,
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the off season suspension is stupid, right, But the hey
I might have, his punishment is I'm going to hand
him the ball fifty times. Excuse me? How could we
possibly have gotten to this point where Mike Gundy says
a couple of the right things. Hey, he's very lucky
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that no one was killed, very very lucky that no
one was killed, and he needs to face the music.
But what music answering a couple of hard questions. That's it.
That's the music paying your own legal fees, That's that's
the music. I just I can't even begin to comprehend
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the conversation that Mike Gundy had to have today with
Chad Weiberg's athletic director, where doctor Schrum his president over
what he said. I'm just that one blows my mind
that his punishment is going to be facing the music,
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but not extra conditioning or running in the Oklahoma heat
and not and not you know, going into a community
service with mothers against drunk driving, or not taking away
the keys to his car. He makes a decision that
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he probably shouldn't have made. No, he made a decision
that could have taken his in other people's lives and
taken the power of somebody his powerful decision can cost.
Did anyone see the car accident? What was the Minnesota
Vikings football player that was killed with two other football
players over the way again, Tyree Jackson, Kyrie Jackson? Have
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you seen his car? His car was completely and totally annihilated.
No one survives it, and reportedly alcohol played a factor.
I just look, I've been hit by a drunk driver before.
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Guy blew a point two four and nearly ended me
on the West Side Highway in New York. But I'm
not too close to this one. I do understand. I've
had a couple of years and got behind the wheel
of a car and not felt good. About it. I
would never say I've done it a thousand times, and
I haven't done it as an adult because I've grown
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up and I'm matured and I understand that while that
doesn't mean it should be a death sentence to Ali
Gordon's career. The idea that the highest paid member of
a state institution, the winning his football coach of all time,
says that he's done it a thousand times and the
punishment should be handing him the ball fifty times in
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the opening game is so remarkably obtuse to how it
comes across. It is mind blowing. And I'm look, I'm
sure Michael hear this, and maybe he'll be upset with it.
Maybe he won't. I know they've released a statement which
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is on social media about what I meant to say.
It doesn't matter. Nobody goes back to the what you
meant to say was, and even in what he meant
to say, what he's doing is all that matters, which
is nothing. What are we doing? Yes, he makes a
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lot of money to play football, and so the two
things that should happen when you have a dui is
one you get some of the money back, and two
you don't get to play football as much. Well, you know,
if I spend one game it doesn't do anything. I
suspend him six games maybe, But then that's unfair to
the rest of the team, is it. Yeah, I know
it is. I know it's unfair to the rest of
the team. But that's what Ali Gordon did. He did
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something incredibly selfish and there needs to be a punishment
for it. Otherwise why not do it again? Well, next time,
we're gonna be really serious about it, like really, And
I understand there's an embarrassment to it. There's the legal fees.
Nobody's technically harmed. But to who much is given, more
is expected, and this is not raised. This is this
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is not what anybody would expect a response to be
from a decorated, crazy, successful Division one men's head football coach.
And I do believe that Mike is about the right things.
I love the honesty with which he shares things. But
this is if that's honesty, then dude, honestly, over a
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thousand times and I don't think he read the chart correctly,
but regards which if over a thousand times, and I
think that's an embellishment You've gotten behind the wheel of
a car having drank potentially too much, like I don't.
I don't even know how to like how you would
handle that? I don't. Does it hit you differently? Jason Stewart?
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Am I my missing something? Am I? Am I being
to buy the book that my miss? How does it
land on you?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
That's my question to answer your first question. You're not
missing anything. I think everything that you just said is
absolutely true, and you're speaking from a point where you
could relate most of anyone in this room. You're in
a different position now, you represent your university and you're
a leader of young men. Public comments should be much
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more filtered. I guess you could appreciate the honesty, But
this is like if I sat down with Mike Gundy
at a bar after a couple of Budweisers. That's probably
what he would tell me. But that's not a great
barometer for how you should answer questions at media days
when your conference is being in the spotlight for a day.
So I thought it was pretty damn stupid.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I just that one holy cow, And just so people
are aware, I do not have rules, like written down
rules with with with my team. The the rules that
we do have is if you've had too much to drink. Okay,
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you are to call me, text me. There's a group
chat with any other player. We have the managers as well,
and if it gets to me, gets to me, I
will come pick you up wherever you are and drop
you off where you need to go, no questions asked.
But if you get behind the wheel that car, okay,
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I lose all sorts of power because I can't change
what the police will do. I can't get involved in
a police thing. And I have no time for people
who committed to you why And I say the same
thing about it. If you smoke, it's I legal in
the state of Wisconsin. If you get behind the wheel
of a car and you're smoking, you get behind the
wheel of a car. Or And I've also said if
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there's if there's any sort of beef between you and
a woman, you are you get a way and if
you need me to pick you up, I will pick
you up, no questions asked, no judgment. But you are
not to get behind the wheel of a car if
you've been drinking or smoking. So I just that's one
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where I know there's going to be a percentage of
people who are like finally, a coach who's honest. But like,
if that's your if that's your reality, that thousands, a
thousand times you've gotten behind the wheel of a car
having four or five beers in an hour, three to
four beers in an hour, that's a really scary thought.
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Even if it is true, it's not to be said,
and it shouldn't be true because that's a lot of times.
That's a lot of times you've made a bad decision.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Yes, Chris Purfett, I think that that point you just
made there is the most salient. I was talking with
a friend about this lately, and for those and you
don't know this, Doug, but there is a back at
the middle school I went to. There is a bench
there with my ants, with my form with my past
ant's name on it, who died in high school because
of a car accident. That we just I think sometimes,
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especially thinking about you know, you see someone cutting you
off or weaving through doing ninety or in dui, like,
we don't have respect for the power at our hands
that an add a automotive vehicle gives you. You are
piloting tons of metal flying at inhuman speeds, speeds that
are not natural in the world out there, and I
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think in our country we just have no respect for
the power that's in our hands, or that we don't
think of anyone but ourselves on that road which we
share out there at the end of the day. And
I think when you start talking about DUI, that is
the ultimate sign of disrespect for that power at your hands.
It's just it's really sad to hear these comments. It
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just does not seem to again reckon with the fact
that you have the power to just kill multiple people
with this vehicle. Even Stone sober.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Right, But I mean, again, the bigger point is you're
not just making a bad decision for yourself. You're making
a bad decision for people you don't know, you haven't
come into contact with. And you know what I mean, Like,
I just I cannot fathom the response is one hundred
and eighty degrees in the wrong direction of anyone who
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has any sort of pulse of what the response should be.
And I can and like, look, here's how friendship works
with me, is I can't be friends with you if
I can't share that that response is way off. And
again doesn't mean that Mike, I wouldn't consider my gun
to your friend and I wouldn't stand up for him
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and say he's done, you know, a thousand amazing things
since he's been the head coach at Oklahoma State, including
turnaround the team last year and do it his way,
and he's about the right things. But this is wrong.
I mean a day in which Brett yor Mark had
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some awesome comments and really amazing what the Big twelve
has done off of Death's door, and the only thing
anybody's talking about really is Mike Gundy saying, yeah, yeah,
I've basically I've got behind the wheel with too much
to drink a thousand times. And yeah, my punishment for
Ali Gordon at getting a dui the best running back
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in the country is I'm going to hand the ball
fifty times maybe in the opening game. Yikes, what year
is this? What country are we in? These are not
things to be celebrated.
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have people who parachute in and they see something and
they think, you know, without context, it's one thing, and
it's really another. I don't care what profession you are,
I guarantee that's. You know, I'm in the market for
a car, and I know some of what goes on
in a car dealership, you know, But that's like me
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coming into car dealership and they're like, well, mister Godleib,
you know the twenty twenty fours and me going, hey,
I know this. Twenty twenty fours were in August. Once
you get to September and October, the twenty five show up.
That's when the major discounts come. But it also loses
value because they're losing year of the car. But those
that has changed, new cars are more valuable, closer to
sticker than they've ever been because they don't make as
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many as they used to. As don't it's a limited inventory.
They've limited the inventory, which keeps the price high. And
the point is, like I parachuting in a car dealership.
It ain't any different than people parachuting in on what
we do and trying to say, hey, why don't you
do this, why don't you do that? Not understanding, not
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understand the context of it. I've said it before. You know,
so many people made fun of ESPN's halftime show during
the NBA Finals where they're on for a minute and
then they go to break and they come in, come in,
and they got like six minutes. They're like, why don't
they do it like TNT Because TNT's cable. It's completely
different than network TV and network TV breaks. Should they
change it? Of course they should, But in the meantime,
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you have to pay the bills. It was only a
five game series, and you know, ESPN, ABC have to
get their money back. The best way to get their
money back has run as many ads in content when
people want to watch as possible. I bring that up
because there's someone named doctor Umar Johnson. Have we do
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we know who doctor Umar Johnson is? And I don't
mean that in a way in a cynical way. I
literally have no idea who doctor Umar Johnson.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
His Wikipedia says that he's a doctor, and I looked
it up, he's got a PhD, is a doctor of
clinical psychology.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Okay, but he is.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Wikipedia claims that he is a black activist and a
motivational speaker. And I think he's a frequent guest on
The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Okay, and then The Breakfast Club. Not the movie The
Breakfast Club, right, but The Breakfast Club is a radio
show in podcast.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Right radio show in New York.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, yeah, dj MB Charlemagne the God and Jess Hilarious.
It is an iHeart radio show, right, iHeartRadio show. And
they've been nationally syndicated since twenty thirteen. So doctor Lark
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Johnson was on The Breakfast Club yesterday. He had a
lot of things to say. I want you to listen
to this in its entirety and then we'll talk about it.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
I'm disappointed in Black America because I feel like they're
attacking Brownie more than JJ agree with. How the hell
is Bronnie James getting all this heat from Black America?
But JJ Reddick ain't getting all the seat. JJ redickan
never won nothing. He ain't went nothing in college, he
ain't went none in the NBA, he won no MVP.
I don't know if he was ever a first team
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offense or defense, maybe once or twice, but he clearly
don't have the record of a Sam Cassell. Sam Consell
should have been offered that Lakers job, and, if not
the Lakers job, one of the coaching vacancies.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Look at all these good black.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Assistant coaches out there who are being overlooked for white privilege.
JJ Reddick did not earn that position. They gave it
to him. But rather than attack that, we're gonna attack
the nineteen year old kid. I want Lebron to play
with his son because the optics of that, I think
will be very positive for young black males, and I
think it could be a small motivation for black men
to do more with their sons and more with our boys.
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So I want to see Lebron and Bronnie on the
same court.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Okay, So there's a lot to unpack there. He likes
the idea of bron and Bronny on the same court
for black parents to support their black children. Okay. You
know I'm gonna disagree with it. You know I've told
you before. I think it's the Peter principle. I think
you end up doing more harm putting your kid out
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there when he's not ready, not good enough than you
do during good because you want to be the first
to do this, you want to force it to happen.
But again, if the organization allows you to do that,
they allow you to do that. The main issue I
would have with that is this assertion that like Sam
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can I guess is Sam Kassell his Uh what's the
assistant with? I guess he's with now he's with UCLA.
He's the EUPHANSI coordney with UCLA, right, used to be
with Washington last year. And Eric B enemy, Sam Cassell
his Eric B enemy. That's what we're doing now, all right?
One example you is that what we're doing, we're doing
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the Eric being like he doesn't get jobs because he's
black or something. I don't know. I like Sam Cassell.
I know that the Lakers try to hire Sam Cassell
as an assistant coach. He turned it down because he's
the head assistant with the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
But but the insinuation that there's all of these quality
black assistant coaches that white privilege is having JJ Reddick
and other white coaches get the job is laughable and
it's uninformed, and it's somebody who you're doctor of psychology, psychology,
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you clearly don't know anything about the NBA. And what
happens is you start a narrative and like you can't
go on every show and just go like, no, that's
wrong when you starts something that's you know, I mean,
there's sixteen of the thirty coaches in the NBA are
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in fact black. They are, so I'm not really sure.
And if it's JJ Reddick got this opportunity only because
he's white and he didn't win a championship, and he
wasn't first team All Offense, which there isn't a first
team All Offense, No is their second team, nor is
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he an MVP. Like now we're starting to get to okay,
So Joe Missoula is mixed race, never played in the NBA,
didn't win a championship, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera, was a Division two coach a couple of
years ago. What are your qualifications? But the insinuation that
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the NBA is racist because JJ Reddick got the Laker job,
it's not even laughable. It's offensive because again idiot on
Twitter can say this, I guess, or on Reddick can
say this, but when you're speaking into a microphone and
calling everybody and anybody racist and using terms like white privilege,
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like what are you talking about? Look, I've said it before.
I didn't. There's no not necessarily I earned the job
at Green Bay. My path is different. There's lots of
different paths. If you don't think that JJ Reddick should
have gotten the job, then you need to also say
that I don't think that Jason Kidd should have gotten
the job when he got it, or that Doc Rivers
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should have gotten any of the jobs that he got.
Doc Rivers was a player and a good one. Then
it became a broadcaster, then he became a head coach.
There was no being an assistant coach to anybody. Steve
Kerr has been the most successful coach the most recent dynasty.
Steve Kerr was never a coach. He was the general
manager of the Suns, and frankly, they got worse, not
better when he took over. I think that's because the
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owner made him take shack. But that's regardless. To the
point point is, there was nothing that said he was
going to be a good NBA coach. He became a
great NBA coach. Some guys like Eric Spoltzterer start through
the film room. Now, Eric Spolzer wouldn't have gotten to
the film room now for the fact his dad was
a longtime GM in the NBA. But how have we
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gotten to this point to where doctors of psychology are
so woke that they're going to call the NBA, of
all places, is not one to be called to unless
if you really want to get down to racial biases.
It's can be more anti white than and definitely than
anti black. Just call it as it is. JJ Riddick
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was not an MVP. He did not win NBA championship,
But if there are thirty NBA coaches, I would guess
he had a better NBA career than twenty eight of
them without even looking. Remember when JJ Riddick was drafted.
I know because I was actually there. It's actually something
I do for a living. People clown the Orlando Magic
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Wow way too high for a doochie, and it took
him a while and he came around. He ultimately lived
up to that where he was drafted, became one of
the best picks in his draft class. And I would say,
like in basketball, if we're honest, there's probably black privilege,
and it's probably been earned because for the most part
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the game has been dominated up until recently and still
by black men. Right. So the truth is, when you're
white and trying to make it in the NBA, it's
harder because everybody thinks you can't move, you can't guard,
you're not tough. And uh, clearly fans like this fanboy
who's some doctor of psychology and can go on a
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wildly successful radio show and just beewe lies because what
he wants Bronny to play with his dad. And again,
it's all if the shoe was on the other foot, right,
isn't that the fair argument? I mean, pick any player,
any aging white player in the NBA. Can you imagine
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if I mean, who's the if JJ had his son
when he was playing the NBA or we want to
get to better player, if Dirk had a son. Light
in Dirk's career, when he was hobbling around, it took
him two years, two hours of work with his body
guy just to get him ready on a daily basis
to play. If Dirk said, I got a son, I
want him to play with me, we would have screamed
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at the mountaintops. The Lebron thing. Yeah, there's been some
people pointing to nepotism, but they've actually gone like, yeah,
nepotism happens everywhere. Okay, so that makes it okay, Like
what are we doing. He's not good enough, this is silly.
We've dedicated way too much time. Nobody's hating on Brownie James. Hey,
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and again, this is the same problem that WNBA players have.
Is the same problem that this doctor is it Omar?
Is that his last name?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Doctor Umar Johnson.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Umar Johnson, doctor Umar Johnson. Same problem. It's if you
want to be judged like the rest of the world
in the NBA, then as a second round pick, so
far he has looked like a terrible draft pick. Again,
that's if you're just judging. Just if it's anybody else
at fifty five selected and he watched him play, you're like, dude,
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you drafted him fifty five a six ' one to
two guard that doesn't want any part of handling the basketball,
that wants to stand in the corner and guard the
guy in the corner like that. That's what we're doing.
That's how it actually that's actually a real basketball piece
of analysis. You know, anybody who has been associated. And
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I'll just tell you I was a coach's son, and
when I was going into my freshman year, I'm sure
there were so many people thought I didn't belong And
I was playing with all these different college and kids
that were going to college and they were stars, and
every team is like this, They're all like this. I mean,
LaMelo ball was like this. He played with his older brothers.
He was tiny, and you're like, man, why are they
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playing him? And most of us who watched like, LaMelo's
gonna be better than the rest of them because he's fearless,
despite the fact that he's two or three years younger
and at the time he was six or seven inches
smaller than anybody who was playing against. But you go
around to AU tournaments and this is AAU season and
you will see plenty of these teams with star after
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star for star, and then there's a kid that you're like,
why is he there? Like coaches said, coach gets him
in there, and you're always torn rid of the coach,
like I don't really want to coach unless my son plays.
But I don't want my son to play at a
level that he's not capable of playing at. So I
don't really want to coach unless it's a level capable
of playing at, but I will also want to be
able to compete and win. That's basically what Lebron has
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done to the NBA is he's turned it into an
AAU team where we're playing daddy ball. And I'm not
somebody who thinks he stinks. I'm just telling you he's
just not at that level. There are a myriad of
levels in AU best when you know you go these
AAU events at the youth level, they have copper, bronze, silver, gold,
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and sometimes platinum, and there's nothing wrong with being a
silver player or player just to find the right level
for you so you can compete and maybe find a
way to have the ball go in the bucket. There's
different levels of college basketball. There's Ania Division two, ANAIA
D three, D two, D one. There's different levels of
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D one. We're a mid major. We're a mid major.
There's low majors as well. There's high majors. There's elite,
super elite high majors. That's the yukonsa Kansas, the Kentucky's,
the Dukes, the Arizonas. I'm sure I'm in the North
Carolina's of this world, Indiana's of this world. It's the
same sport, but a different level. He's not on that level.
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And the only retort now is gotta be racism. You
knew that was coming, right, Like, it's so tired and
so so overused, And what happens is when real racism
does exist, those of us who are clearly against most
people are, I would say eight to ninety nine percent
(32:01):
of people are clearly against racism, but there's a high
percentage of us who were against racism. Like, dude, you
just keep calling everything racist when is not. Plenty of
people are critical of JJ Reddick being hired, but there's
also precedents for it working for it not working. Plenty
of people were critical of Ronnie James being drafted. There
(32:26):
are a few instances of it working. There are plenty
of instances of it not working. It doesn't have anything
to do with race and going to race as the
default argument, it's just tired and obnoxious and more than anything,
ridiculously and remarkably inaccurate. Because whoever doctor Umar Johnson is
(32:48):
has failed to understand that this has happened plenty of
times in the NBA, some of them successful. Some of
them not successful. I would say Steve Kurr's a success story.
I would say Jason Kids's success story. I would say
Doc Rivers success story. Neither of them coached a day
in their life before they became a head coach in
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(33:45):
Weather's pretty good, hot all over the country. And uh,
we have some sports to talk about, believe or not.
We've gone from talking about the WNBA to NBA Summer
League and the second round draft pick. That's where we
are right now. As we're waiting, waiting, wait for some
we got some All Star Game discussions to get to
we have more discussion on what Paul George had to
(34:07):
say in regards to kind of in his mind letting
us in on their contract negotiations with the Clippers. But
let's start with Ronnie James playing his first I guess
professional game, right summer league game in Sacramento for the
LA Lakers Summer League team. And what I find to
be interesting is, you know, again how we do what
(34:33):
we do in the media, Like you've clearly aligned with
a side based upon many of the much of the commentary,
and as I've told you before, in politics and in life,
I operate on the same premise. I am a radical centrist.
Now what does that mean. That means I don't feel
(34:55):
like I need to always side with one side because
that's what side I'm aligned with. I do what I think,
I think what I do, and I try and do
what I believe to be the right thing on a
daily basis, and I sometimes I come up short. And
when I took over this job, I love the idea
(35:18):
of going to be in the portal because the portal
is all college basketball players and evaluating college players versus
college players and levels of college basketball. Felt like I
was pretty equipped for. What I didn't know if I
was equipped for is the evaluation of watching a high
(35:40):
school player and what he'll look like in a year
or two years or three years in college. And that's
something I think it's kind of an art, but in
terms of what a college player looks like as opposed
to other college players, and what a college player looks
like in his translation in his transition to the pros,
I feel like I got a pretty good beat on it.
So let me give you a radical centrist perspective of
(36:01):
Bronnie James first game. It's it's called j a g
jag or a jag. Okay, a jag is just a guy.
That's what Bronnie James looked like. I know, we could
point to the stats and it's like, oh, he was bad,
he was not great, But it wasn't because of the stats.
(36:25):
It's because he's just kind of a guy. Now, Lebron
has said, hey, I don't care about the stats. It's
about the development. So what are you developing? What are
you developing? What role will Bronnie James have if he
really really wants to make it in the NBA. Here's
Lebron doing a sit down with the with the ESPN
(36:47):
talking about Bronnie.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
I don't know if people really understand Bronnie. He doesn't care.
I actually cared a little bit when I came out.
I wanted people to like like me, and some of
the things that people were saying about me, it kind
of bothered me early on in my career. I let
it get to me. Ronnie doesn't he doesn't give up.
He doesn't he does not care about nobody's He doesn't
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even listen to that stuff. He's like the complete opposite
of his dad, because dad will say something, yeah, Brinnie
does not care like me personally. When I was coming up,
I had no choice. I literally had no choice. I
had to make it out like I had no choice.
I had to make it out for me, my mom,
my family. Bronnie has all the choices in the world.
So it's like a whole other people don't understand how
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hard that is in the commitment for him to be
coming out of heart surgery less than a year ago,
for him to be able to be in the NBA.
That's the kid is. He's special, but he doesn't care.
He doesn't doesn't.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
It doesn't bother I understand completely understand, and you have
to have that sort of thick skin. And I actually
agree with that, the premise of, hey, you know it's
it give me hard to make it even when you
have all these things at your disposal, because there's no
reason for you to have to work hard. Just isn't.
(38:05):
If Ronnie never plays basketball again, he's fine financially fine,
not just working for his dad on his own. So
I actually do respect that. I think that's one that
people roll their eyes at, and I would say, yeah,
I get that a little harder than people think. You know,
you're always compared to your debt. On the other hand,
on the other hand, if you look at it a
(38:26):
different way, it's that you're right. He doesn't play like
he's trying to prove himself. He doesn't play with the hunger,
with the anger, with the competitiveness that translates that looks like, hey,
you want to tell me you're a point guard, how
about guarding the point guard? How about picking him up
ninety four feet? How about making life living hell on
that guy. It's what so many people don't understand about basketball.
(38:50):
You can have a really high level high school defender
come into college and like the kid doesn't know what
he's doing because it's a different level and a different sport.
Then step up to the NBA and it's even harder
and the roles change differently. If you're gonna be six
to one and a half and you're gonna play in
the NBA and you're a backup guard off the bench,
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when that ball goes in the basket and you're on
offense and you switch the defense, you better be up
and guarding ninety four feet and pressuring and just being
a nuisance. Jose Alvarado is the perfect example of it.
You're always got head on the swivel and trying to
figure out where he is, what's he doing before you
go and do anything, because you think Jose Alvarado is
gonna take this basketball from me, and Broanni just doesn't
(39:35):
have that. Some of that is can be tiresome in
terms of some of the hunger and need to get
after it. It can lead to thirsty plays if you will,
But some of it, in truth, is what you need
and he doesn't have. Look, all of that stuff Leabron
(39:55):
can say is great. He is a great kid. I
don't care. I'm not evaluating based upon the type of
human being he is. I'm evaluating the type of player
he is, and he wants very little to do with
any sort of the backup point guard duties, which include
pushing the ball in transition, getting your team into something gay,
moving the basketball, and guarding ninety four feet and really
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pressuring to be in the nuisances. It honestly is Bronnie
has been watching real NBA guys do it his whole life.
He has been going through the exact same process, but
he has not and he needs to play a ton,
but he has not played enough. The knee issue, knee swelling,
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that's all just the team shutting him down for a day,
giving him ty to rest because they know Vegas is
going to be hard on him. But the actual analysis
from coach Gottliebiz, I don't see any sort of desire
to be at either end of the floor. A point
guard or league guard just kind of wants to stand
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over in the corner of the balls thrown up to him,
try and go get a bucket. It doesn't mean that
he won't be better in game two or whenever. That
Game two is just like Victor Webbin, noa I'm a
struggle in Game one was fine in Game two. I
don't care. You're right, I'm with Lebron. I don't care
about the stats. But I watched the game and there
was nothing dynamic about him defensively and offensively. You know,
(41:22):
a couple of times he got straight line drives. Other
than that, he just wants It's like he gets the
ball with the idea of mind, how quickly can I shoot?
How quickly can I shoot? Yes? Said Jason Torett.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
Can we go back to what Lebron said about Bronni
doesn't care what you think and or doesn't give an
f what you think? Which is a side note, by
the way, Lebron taking what JJ Reddick said at his
press conference, he doesn't give an F. That should be
the Lakers model this season. We don't give an F
because they're probably gonna be like the ninth or tenth seed. Right. Anyways,
(41:57):
Bronnie doesn't care what you think. Isn't Lebron a little
misled here? I don't think the criticism everything that's been
written and said about Bronnie, I don't think it is
has ever in an indictment on the kid as a person,
or his effort or anything like this. I always thought
the criticism this whole time was about Lebron, about Rich Paul,
(42:21):
and about this system that kind of pushed this kid
through who isn't really deserving. But it's never really been
criticism of Bronni himself. So when he says he doesn't care,
like Lebron is deflecting right, because the criticism has been
basically targeted towards Lebron this whole time.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Well, I think there's some of that. Yeah, there's a
lot of it that's targeted towards Lebron, but there's a
lot of it in which here's my biggest issue with
his group is that reasonable analysis is called criticism, Like okay,
I mean to me, it's you can analyze and be critical,
(43:04):
but not have criticism. There's no ability for anybody to
ever improve. And like this his whole thing with her,
he's got to develop. There's no chance you ever develop
if you tell everybody, hey, everything he did was great,
Like nobody develops that way ever. Ever, what Lebron is
guilty of is many people in our business are guilty
of that. Hey, I want feedback. Then you give somebody
(43:26):
negative feedback, You're like, whoa, why are you so negative? Like, dude,
you want feedback, right, do you want a feedback? Either
you want to get better, you don't. Everyone says they
want to get better. Everyone says they want feedback. Everyone
says they want to improve. But real improvement comes from
people who you trust, who you respect, who've been through it,
who said, like, yeah, I don't like that, like that,
(43:47):
this is not good, This gotta be better. This is
pretty good leading into that. But that's not how lebron operates.
He because he's been surrounded by sycophants for so much
of his life, he believes that everybody should treat Bronnie
even that way. And while he's right, it is yet
less the year removed from heart surgery. The fact is
(44:08):
that no other player would have been drafted in the
first two rounds as a borderline prospect if they were
coming off of heart surgery. All of those things you
want to point to, it to nepotism or you know,
just unbelievable athlete advantage. I just that's not criticism in
(44:31):
the purest sense. That's reality. No one else would get
that opportunity other than Bronnie. And he only got that
opportunity because of your last name, and because you push
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the show, you can just download the podcast. Check it
out and the podcast. This one's going to be an
interesting one because I feel like there's a real conversation
to be had. There's a lot. There's a lot to it,
(01:10):
and I kind of think I'm the perfect guy to
have this conversation. But there's also the realization that this
will likely get misconstrued and a lot of people are
gonna get mad because I'm telling the God's honest truth,
my gun. He's the head coach. Mile Mountern Oaklhama States
football coach is winning his football coach in the history
of the program. He's done an amazing job. I consider
(01:34):
him a friend, a mentor, someone who I text with
occasionally gives me a ton of personal and professional advice.
I like him a lot, and I do understand on
some level the realness that he wanted to share with
the world and relate it to how he's treating the
(01:54):
Doak Walker Award winner Ollie Gordon After's DUI arrest last week.
On the other hand, what what so here's my gunny
Oli Gordon, who didn't really this is what's crazy about it.
(02:16):
The first three games last year, he split time. They
had three running backs and three quarterbacks. By the time
he became the go to running back, then he became
the best running back in college football. He had an
amazing year. Oli Gordon is a beloved figure. I believe
he's making somewhere close to seven figures to play football
(02:40):
at my alma mater. He's done anything and everything in
the name of the university, gone to events, check hands,
kiss babies, like in terms of trying to earn it
for appearances, He's done it. But then he gets to
dui arrest last week. And this was Mike Gundy at
(03:01):
Big twelve media day yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So I looked it up on my phone. What would
be the legal limit like in Oklahoma's point eight and
Ollie was point one. So I looked it up and
it was based on body weight. Not to get into
the legal side of it, but I thought, really, two
or three beers or four. I'm not justifying what all
he did. I'm telling you what decision I made. Well,
(03:24):
I thought, I've probably done that a thousand times in
my life, and I'm you know, it's just fine. So
I got lucky. People get lucky. All he made a
decision that he wished he could have done better. But
when I talked to Olli, I told him, I said,
you're lucky you got out light because you make a
lot of money. To play football. So back in the day,
(03:44):
being able to cover the cost of what he's going
to go through would be difficult for a college player.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It's not for him.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Now, I'm not speaking for him, but I'm just saying
that's not an issue for him. So nobody got hurt.
And I said, we see people doing this and people
lose their lives across the country, not just football players
but everybody. So you got out lucky.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah. So there's a bunch of contradictions within it, right,
because he's right, Oli was very lucky. He's right, people
have done this. Now. One of the miscalculations is the
three or four beers. That's three or four beers in
an hour. Right, you have three or four beers, You're
not going to over four or five hours. You're not
(04:29):
going to go over the league of limit. You have
three or four beers within the hour, you will. I
am not some prude, I am not some unrealistic human being.
I'm by the way, I am somebody who's committed a
criminal offense, which is very different. But I'm not going
to sit here and deny that I haven't always made
(04:52):
deny that I've made the wrong decision. More than ten
times in my life. But not only am I not
going to say it, I know it's not true. It
hasn't been over a thousand times, not even ten times
in which I've had a couple of beers and got
behind the wheel of a car. And I just I
(05:14):
think everything about it was off. Everything about it was off.
Like your best player, your highest paid player, gets a DUI,
and your response to his punishment isn't We're going to
run him till his ankle smoke. And look, I get it,
(05:36):
the off season suspension is stupid, right, But the hey
I might have, his punishment is I'm going to hand
him the ball fifty times. Excuse me? How could we
possibly have gotten to this point where Mike Gundy says
a couple of the right things. Hey, he's very lucky
(05:57):
that no one was killed, very very lucky that no
one was killed, and he needs to face the music.
But what music answering a couple of hard questions. That's it.
That's the music paying your own legal fees, That's that's
the music. I just I can't even begin to comprehend
(06:18):
the conversation that Mike Gundy had to have today with
Chad Weiberg's athletic director, where doctor Schrum his president over
what he said. I'm just that one blows my mind
that his punishment is going to be facing the music,
(06:40):
but not extra conditioning or running in the Oklahoma heat
and not and not you know, going into a community
service with mothers against drunk driving, or not taking away
the keys to his car. He makes a decision that
(07:01):
he probably shouldn't have made. No, he made a decision
that could have taken his in other people's lives and
taken the power of somebody his powerful decision can cost.
Did anyone see the car accident? What was the Minnesota
Vikings football player that was killed with two other football
players over the way again, Tyree Jackson, Kyrie Jackson? Have
(07:24):
you seen his car? His car was completely and totally annihilated.
No one survives it, and reportedly alcohol played a factor.
I just look, I've been hit by a drunk driver before.
(07:46):
Guy blew a point two four and nearly ended me
on the West Side Highway in New York. But I'm
not too close to this one. I do understand. I've
had a couple of years and got behind the wheel
of a car and not felt good. About it. I
would never say I've done it a thousand times, and
I haven't done it as an adult because I've grown
(08:07):
up and I'm matured and I understand that while that
doesn't mean it should be a death sentence to Ali
Gordon's career. The idea that the highest paid member of
a state institution, the winning his football coach of all time,
says that he's done it a thousand times and the
punishment should be handing him the ball fifty times in
(08:29):
the opening game is so remarkably obtuse to how it
comes across. It is mind blowing. And I'm look, I'm
sure Michael hear this, and maybe he'll be upset with it.
Maybe he won't. I know they've released a statement which
(08:52):
is on social media about what I meant to say.
It doesn't matter. Nobody goes back to the what you
meant to say was, and even in what he meant
to say, what he's doing is all that matters, which
is nothing. What are we doing? Yes, he makes a
(09:15):
lot of money to play football, and so the two
things that should happen when you have a dui is
one you get some of the money back, and two
you don't get to play football as much. Well, you know,
if I spend one game it doesn't do anything. I
suspend him six games maybe, But then that's unfair to
the rest of the team, is it. Yeah, I know
it is. I know it's unfair to the rest of
the team. But that's what Ali Gordon did. He did
(09:38):
something incredibly selfish and there needs to be a punishment
for it. Otherwise why not do it again? Well, next time,
we're gonna be really serious about it, like really, And
I understand there's an embarrassment to it. There's the legal fees.
Nobody's technically harmed. But to who much is given, more
is expected, and this is not raised. This is this
(10:04):
is not what anybody would expect a response to be
from a decorated, crazy, successful Division one men's head football coach.
And I do believe that Mike is about the right things.
I love the honesty with which he shares things. But
this is if that's honesty, then dude, honestly, over a
(10:25):
thousand times and I don't think he read the chart correctly,
but regards which if over a thousand times, and I
think that's an embellishment You've gotten behind the wheel of
a car having drank potentially too much, like I don't.
I don't even know how to like how you would
handle that? I don't. Does it hit you differently? Jason Stewart?
(10:49):
Am I my missing something? Am I? Am I being
to buy the book that my miss? How does it
land on you?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
That's my question to answer your first question. You're not
missing anything. I think everything that you just said is
absolutely true, and you're speaking from a point where you
could relate most of anyone in this room. You're in
a different position now, you represent your university and you're
a leader of young men. Public comments should be much
(11:25):
more filtered. I guess you could appreciate the honesty, But
this is like if I sat down with Mike Gundy
at a bar after a couple of Budweisers. That's probably
what he would tell me. But that's not a great
barometer for how you should answer questions at media days
when your conference is being in the spotlight for a day.
So I thought it was pretty damn stupid.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I just that one holy cow, And just so people
are aware, I do not have rules, like written down
rules with with with my team. The the rules that
we do have is if you've had too much to drink. Okay,
(12:13):
you are to call me, text me. There's a group
chat with any other player. We have the managers as well,
and if it gets to me, gets to me, I
will come pick you up wherever you are and drop
you off where you need to go, no questions asked.
But if you get behind the wheel that car, okay,
(12:35):
I lose all sorts of power because I can't change
what the police will do. I can't get involved in
a police thing. And I have no time for people
who committed to you why And I say the same
thing about it. If you smoke, it's I legal in
the state of Wisconsin. If you get behind the wheel
of a car and you're smoking, you get behind the
wheel of a car. Or And I've also said if
(12:55):
there's if there's any sort of beef between you and
a woman, you are you get a way and if
you need me to pick you up, I will pick
you up, no questions asked, no judgment. But you are
not to get behind the wheel of a car if
you've been drinking or smoking. So I just that's one
(13:17):
where I know there's going to be a percentage of
people who are like finally, a coach who's honest. But like,
if that's your if that's your reality, that thousands, a
thousand times you've gotten behind the wheel of a car
having four or five beers in an hour, three to
four beers in an hour, that's a really scary thought.
(13:39):
Even if it is true, it's not to be said,
and it shouldn't be true because that's a lot of times.
That's a lot of times you've made a bad decision.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Yes, Chris Purfett, I think that that point you just
made there is the most salient. I was talking with
a friend about this lately, and for those and you
don't know this, Doug, but there is a back at
the middle school I went to. There is a bench
there with my ants, with my form with my past
ant's name on it, who died in high school because
of a car accident. That we just I think sometimes,
(14:11):
especially thinking about you know, you see someone cutting you
off or weaving through doing ninety or in dui, like,
we don't have respect for the power at our hands
that an add a automotive vehicle gives you. You are
piloting tons of metal flying at inhuman speeds, speeds that
are not natural in the world out there, and I
(14:32):
think in our country we just have no respect for
the power that's in our hands, or that we don't
think of anyone but ourselves on that road which we
share out there at the end of the day. And
I think when you start talking about DUI, that is
the ultimate sign of disrespect for that power at your hands.
It's just it's really sad to hear these comments. It
(14:53):
just does not seem to again reckon with the fact
that you have the power to just kill multiple people
with this vehicle. Even Stone sober.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Right, But I mean, again, the bigger point is you're
not just making a bad decision for yourself. You're making
a bad decision for people you don't know, you haven't
come into contact with. And you know what I mean, Like,
I just I cannot fathom the response is one hundred
and eighty degrees in the wrong direction of anyone who
(15:28):
has any sort of pulse of what the response should be.
And I can and like, look, here's how friendship works
with me, is I can't be friends with you if
I can't share that that response is way off. And
again doesn't mean that Mike, I wouldn't consider my gun
to your friend and I wouldn't stand up for him
(15:50):
and say he's done, you know, a thousand amazing things
since he's been the head coach at Oklahoma State, including
turnaround the team last year and do it his way,
and he's about the right things. But this is wrong.
I mean a day in which Brett yor Mark had
(16:12):
some awesome comments and really amazing what the Big twelve
has done off of Death's door, and the only thing
anybody's talking about really is Mike Gundy saying, yeah, yeah,
I've basically I've got behind the wheel with too much
to drink a thousand times. And yeah, my punishment for
Ali Gordon at getting a dui the best running back
(16:33):
in the country is I'm going to hand the ball
fifty times maybe in the opening game. Yikes, what year
is this? What country are we in? These are not
things to be celebrated.
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have people who parachute in and they see something and
they think, you know, without context, it's one thing, and
it's really another. I don't care what profession you are,
I guarantee that's. You know, I'm in the market for
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(17:41):
coming into car dealership and they're like, well, mister Godleib,
you know the twenty twenty fours and me going, hey,
I know this. Twenty twenty fours were in August. Once
you get to September and October, the twenty five show up.
That's when the major discounts come. But it also loses
value because they're losing year of the car. But those
that has changed, new cars are more valuable, closer to
sticker than they've ever been because they don't make as
(18:03):
many as they used to. As don't it's a limited inventory.
They've limited the inventory, which keeps the price high. And
the point is, like I parachuting in a car dealership.
It ain't any different than people parachuting in on what
we do and trying to say, hey, why don't you
do this, why don't you do that? Not understanding, not
(18:24):
understand the context of it. I've said it before. You know,
so many people made fun of ESPN's halftime show during
the NBA Finals where they're on for a minute and
then they go to break and they come in, come in,
and they got like six minutes. They're like, why don't
they do it like TNT Because TNT's cable. It's completely
different than network TV and network TV breaks. Should they
change it? Of course they should, But in the meantime,
(18:44):
you have to pay the bills. It was only a
five game series, and you know, ESPN, ABC have to
get their money back. The best way to get their
money back has run as many ads in content when
people want to watch as possible. I bring that up
because there's someone named doctor Umar Johnson. Have we do
(19:08):
we know who doctor Umar Johnson is? And I don't
mean that in a way in a cynical way. I
literally have no idea who doctor Umar Johnson.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
His Wikipedia says that he's a doctor, and I looked
it up, he's got a PhD, is a doctor of
clinical psychology.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Okay, but he is.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Wikipedia claims that he is a black activist and a
motivational speaker. And I think he's a frequent guest on
The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Okay, and then The Breakfast Club. Not the movie The
Breakfast Club, right, but The Breakfast Club is a radio
show in podcast.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Right radio show in New York.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, yeah, dj MB Charlemagne the God and Jess Hilarious.
It is an iHeart radio show, right, iHeartRadio show. And
they've been nationally syndicated since twenty thirteen. So doctor Lark
(20:07):
Johnson was on The Breakfast Club yesterday. He had a
lot of things to say. I want you to listen
to this in its entirety and then we'll talk about it.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
I'm disappointed in Black America because I feel like they're
attacking Brownie more than JJ agree with. How the hell
is Bronnie James getting all this heat from Black America?
But JJ Reddick ain't getting all the seat. JJ redickan
never won nothing. He ain't went nothing in college, he
ain't went none in the NBA, he won no MVP.
I don't know if he was ever a first team
(20:38):
offense or defense, maybe once or twice, but he clearly
don't have the record of a Sam Cassell. Sam Consell
should have been offered that Lakers job, and, if not
the Lakers job, one of the coaching vacancies.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Look at all these good black.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Assistant coaches out there who are being overlooked for white privilege.
JJ Reddick did not earn that position. They gave it
to him. But rather than attack that, we're gonna attack
the nineteen year old kid. I want Lebron to play
with his son because the optics of that, I think
will be very positive for young black males, and I
think it could be a small motivation for black men
to do more with their sons and more with our boys.
(21:09):
So I want to see Lebron and Bronnie on the
same court.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Okay, So there's a lot to unpack there. He likes
the idea of bron and Bronny on the same court
for black parents to support their black children. Okay. You
know I'm gonna disagree with it. You know I've told
you before. I think it's the Peter principle. I think
you end up doing more harm putting your kid out
(21:36):
there when he's not ready, not good enough than you
do during good because you want to be the first
to do this, you want to force it to happen.
But again, if the organization allows you to do that,
they allow you to do that. The main issue I
would have with that is this assertion that like Sam
(21:59):
can I guess is Sam Kassell his Uh what's the
assistant with? I guess he's with now he's with UCLA.
He's the EUPHANSI coordney with UCLA, right, used to be
with Washington last year. And Eric B enemy, Sam Cassell
his Eric B enemy. That's what we're doing now, all right?
One example you is that what we're doing, we're doing
(22:22):
the Eric being like he doesn't get jobs because he's
black or something. I don't know. I like Sam Cassell.
I know that the Lakers try to hire Sam Cassell
as an assistant coach. He turned it down because he's
the head assistant with the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
But but the insinuation that there's all of these quality
black assistant coaches that white privilege is having JJ Reddick
and other white coaches get the job is laughable and
it's uninformed, and it's somebody who you're doctor of psychology, psychology,
(23:04):
you clearly don't know anything about the NBA. And what
happens is you start a narrative and like you can't
go on every show and just go like, no, that's
wrong when you starts something that's you know, I mean,
there's sixteen of the thirty coaches in the NBA are
(23:24):
in fact black. They are, so I'm not really sure.
And if it's JJ Reddick got this opportunity only because
he's white and he didn't win a championship, and he
wasn't first team All Offense, which there isn't a first
team All Offense, No is their second team, nor is
(23:46):
he an MVP. Like now we're starting to get to okay,
So Joe Missoula is mixed race, never played in the NBA,
didn't win a championship, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera, was a Division two coach a couple of
years ago. What are your qualifications? But the insinuation that
(24:09):
the NBA is racist because JJ Reddick got the Laker job,
it's not even laughable. It's offensive because again idiot on
Twitter can say this, I guess, or on Reddick can
say this, but when you're speaking into a microphone and
calling everybody and anybody racist and using terms like white privilege,
(24:31):
like what are you talking about? Look, I've said it before.
I didn't. There's no not necessarily I earned the job
at Green Bay. My path is different. There's lots of
different paths. If you don't think that JJ Reddick should
have gotten the job, then you need to also say
that I don't think that Jason Kidd should have gotten
the job when he got it, or that Doc Rivers
(24:52):
should have gotten any of the jobs that he got.
Doc Rivers was a player and a good one. Then
it became a broadcaster, then he became a head coach.
There was no being an assistant coach to anybody. Steve
Kerr has been the most successful coach the most recent dynasty.
Steve Kerr was never a coach. He was the general
manager of the Suns, and frankly, they got worse, not
better when he took over. I think that's because the
(25:15):
owner made him take shack. But that's regardless. To the
point point is, there was nothing that said he was
going to be a good NBA coach. He became a
great NBA coach. Some guys like Eric Spoltzterer start through
the film room. Now, Eric Spolzer wouldn't have gotten to
the film room now for the fact his dad was
a longtime GM in the NBA. But how have we
(25:40):
gotten to this point to where doctors of psychology are
so woke that they're going to call the NBA, of
all places, is not one to be called to unless
if you really want to get down to racial biases.
It's can be more anti white than and definitely than
anti black. Just call it as it is. JJ Riddick
(26:03):
was not an MVP. He did not win NBA championship,
But if there are thirty NBA coaches, I would guess
he had a better NBA career than twenty eight of
them without even looking. Remember when JJ Riddick was drafted.
I know because I was actually there. It's actually something
I do for a living. People clown the Orlando Magic
(26:23):
Wow way too high for a doochie, and it took
him a while and he came around. He ultimately lived
up to that where he was drafted, became one of
the best picks in his draft class. And I would say,
like in basketball, if we're honest, there's probably black privilege,
and it's probably been earned because for the most part
(26:47):
the game has been dominated up until recently and still
by black men. Right. So the truth is, when you're
white and trying to make it in the NBA, it's
harder because everybody thinks you can't move, you can't guard,
you're not tough. And uh, clearly fans like this fanboy
who's some doctor of psychology and can go on a
(27:08):
wildly successful radio show and just beewe lies because what
he wants Bronny to play with his dad. And again,
it's all if the shoe was on the other foot, right,
isn't that the fair argument? I mean, pick any player,
any aging white player in the NBA. Can you imagine
(27:33):
if I mean, who's the if JJ had his son
when he was playing the NBA or we want to
get to better player, if Dirk had a son. Light
in Dirk's career, when he was hobbling around, it took
him two years, two hours of work with his body
guy just to get him ready on a daily basis
to play. If Dirk said, I got a son, I
want him to play with me, we would have screamed
(27:56):
at the mountaintops. The Lebron thing. Yeah, there's been some
people pointing to nepotism, but they've actually gone like, yeah,
nepotism happens everywhere. Okay, so that makes it okay, Like
what are we doing. He's not good enough, this is silly.
We've dedicated way too much time. Nobody's hating on Brownie James. Hey,
(28:23):
and again, this is the same problem that WNBA players have.
Is the same problem that this doctor is it Omar?
Is that his last name?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Doctor Umar Johnson.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Umar Johnson, doctor Umar Johnson. Same problem. It's if you
want to be judged like the rest of the world
in the NBA, then as a second round pick, so
far he has looked like a terrible draft pick. Again,
that's if you're just judging. Just if it's anybody else
at fifty five selected and he watched him play, you're like, dude,
(28:58):
you drafted him fifty five a six ' one to
two guard that doesn't want any part of handling the basketball,
that wants to stand in the corner and guard the
guy in the corner like that. That's what we're doing.
That's how it actually that's actually a real basketball piece
of analysis. You know, anybody who has been associated. And
(29:24):
I'll just tell you I was a coach's son, and
when I was going into my freshman year, I'm sure
there were so many people thought I didn't belong And
I was playing with all these different college and kids
that were going to college and they were stars, and
every team is like this, They're all like this. I mean,
LaMelo ball was like this. He played with his older brothers.
He was tiny, and you're like, man, why are they
(29:45):
playing him? And most of us who watched like, LaMelo's
gonna be better than the rest of them because he's fearless,
despite the fact that he's two or three years younger
and at the time he was six or seven inches
smaller than anybody who was playing against. But you go
around to AU tournaments and this is AAU season and
you will see plenty of these teams with star after
(30:07):
star for star, and then there's a kid that you're like,
why is he there? Like coaches said, coach gets him
in there, and you're always torn rid of the coach,
like I don't really want to coach unless my son plays.
But I don't want my son to play at a
level that he's not capable of playing at. So I
don't really want to coach unless it's a level capable
of playing at, but I will also want to be
able to compete and win. That's basically what Lebron has
(30:30):
done to the NBA is he's turned it into an
AAU team where we're playing daddy ball. And I'm not
somebody who thinks he stinks. I'm just telling you he's
just not at that level. There are a myriad of
levels in AU best when you know you go these
AAU events at the youth level, they have copper, bronze, silver, gold,
(30:53):
and sometimes platinum, and there's nothing wrong with being a
silver player or player just to find the right level
for you so you can compete and maybe find a
way to have the ball go in the bucket. There's
different levels of college basketball. There's Ania Division two, ANAIA
D three, D two, D one. There's different levels of
(31:15):
D one. We're a mid major. We're a mid major.
There's low majors as well. There's high majors. There's elite,
super elite high majors. That's the yukonsa Kansas, the Kentucky's,
the Dukes, the Arizonas. I'm sure I'm in the North
Carolina's of this world, Indiana's of this world. It's the
same sport, but a different level. He's not on that level.
(31:39):
And the only retort now is gotta be racism. You
knew that was coming, right, Like, it's so tired and
so so overused, And what happens is when real racism
does exist, those of us who are clearly against most
people are, I would say eight to ninety nine percent
(32:01):
of people are clearly against racism, but there's a high
percentage of us who were against racism. Like, dude, you
just keep calling everything racist when is not. Plenty of
people are critical of JJ Reddick being hired, but there's
also precedents for it working for it not working. Plenty
of people were critical of Ronnie James being drafted. There
(32:26):
are a few instances of it working. There are plenty
of instances of it not working. It doesn't have anything
to do with race and going to race as the
default argument, it's just tired and obnoxious and more than anything,
ridiculously and remarkably inaccurate. Because whoever doctor Umar Johnson is
(32:48):
has failed to understand that this has happened plenty of
times in the NBA, some of them successful. Some of
them not successful. I would say Steve Kurr's a success story.
I would say Jason Kids's success story. I would say
Doc Rivers success story. Neither of them coached a day
in their life before they became a head coach in
(33:08):
the NBA.
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(33:45):
Weather's pretty good, hot all over the country. And uh,
we have some sports to talk about, believe or not.
We've gone from talking about the WNBA to NBA Summer
League and the second round draft pick. That's where we
are right now. As we're waiting, waiting, wait for some
we got some All Star Game discussions to get to
we have more discussion on what Paul George had to
(34:07):
say in regards to kind of in his mind letting
us in on their contract negotiations with the Clippers. But
let's start with Ronnie James playing his first I guess
professional game, right summer league game in Sacramento for the
LA Lakers Summer League team. And what I find to
be interesting is, you know, again how we do what
(34:33):
we do in the media, Like you've clearly aligned with
a side based upon many of the much of the commentary,
and as I've told you before, in politics and in life,
I operate on the same premise. I am a radical centrist.
Now what does that mean. That means I don't feel
(34:55):
like I need to always side with one side because
that's what side I'm aligned with. I do what I think,
I think what I do, and I try and do
what I believe to be the right thing on a
daily basis, and I sometimes I come up short. And
when I took over this job, I love the idea
(35:18):
of going to be in the portal because the portal
is all college basketball players and evaluating college players versus
college players and levels of college basketball. Felt like I
was pretty equipped for. What I didn't know if I
was equipped for is the evaluation of watching a high
(35:40):
school player and what he'll look like in a year
or two years or three years in college. And that's
something I think it's kind of an art, but in
terms of what a college player looks like as opposed
to other college players, and what a college player looks
like in his translation in his transition to the pros,
I feel like I got a pretty good beat on it.
So let me give you a radical centrist perspective of
(36:01):
Bronnie James first game. It's it's called j a g
jag or a jag. Okay, a jag is just a guy.
That's what Bronnie James looked like. I know, we could
point to the stats and it's like, oh, he was bad,
he was not great, But it wasn't because of the stats.
(36:25):
It's because he's just kind of a guy. Now, Lebron
has said, hey, I don't care about the stats. It's
about the development. So what are you developing? What are
you developing? What role will Bronnie James have if he
really really wants to make it in the NBA. Here's
Lebron doing a sit down with the with the ESPN
(36:47):
talking about Bronnie.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
I don't know if people really understand Bronnie. He doesn't care.
I actually cared a little bit when I came out.
I wanted people to like like me, and some of
the things that people were saying about me, it kind
of bothered me early on in my career. I let
it get to me. Ronnie doesn't he doesn't give up.
He doesn't he does not care about nobody's He doesn't
(37:10):
even listen to that stuff. He's like the complete opposite
of his dad, because dad will say something, yeah, Brinnie
does not care like me personally. When I was coming up,
I had no choice. I literally had no choice. I
had to make it out like I had no choice.
I had to make it out for me, my mom,
my family. Bronnie has all the choices in the world.
So it's like a whole other people don't understand how
(37:31):
hard that is in the commitment for him to be
coming out of heart surgery less than a year ago,
for him to be able to be in the NBA.
That's the kid is. He's special, but he doesn't care.
He doesn't doesn't.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
It doesn't bother I understand completely understand, and you have
to have that sort of thick skin. And I actually
agree with that, the premise of, hey, you know it's
it give me hard to make it even when you
have all these things at your disposal, because there's no
reason for you to have to work hard. Just isn't.
(38:05):
If Ronnie never plays basketball again, he's fine financially fine,
not just working for his dad on his own. So
I actually do respect that. I think that's one that
people roll their eyes at, and I would say, yeah,
I get that a little harder than people think. You know,
you're always compared to your debt. On the other hand,
on the other hand, if you look at it a
(38:26):
different way, it's that you're right. He doesn't play like
he's trying to prove himself. He doesn't play with the hunger,
with the anger, with the competitiveness that translates that looks like, hey,
you want to tell me you're a point guard, how
about guarding the point guard? How about picking him up
ninety four feet? How about making life living hell on
that guy. It's what so many people don't understand about basketball.
(38:50):
You can have a really high level high school defender
come into college and like the kid doesn't know what
he's doing because it's a different level and a different sport.
Then step up to the NBA and it's even harder
and the roles change differently. If you're gonna be six
to one and a half and you're gonna play in
the NBA and you're a backup guard off the bench,
(39:11):
when that ball goes in the basket and you're on
offense and you switch the defense, you better be up
and guarding ninety four feet and pressuring and just being
a nuisance. Jose Alvarado is the perfect example of it.
You're always got head on the swivel and trying to
figure out where he is, what's he doing before you
go and do anything, because you think Jose Alvarado is
gonna take this basketball from me, and Broanni just doesn't
(39:35):
have that. Some of that is can be tiresome in
terms of some of the hunger and need to get
after it. It can lead to thirsty plays if you will,
But some of it, in truth, is what you need
and he doesn't have. Look, all of that stuff Leabron
(39:55):
can say is great. He is a great kid. I
don't care. I'm not evaluating based upon the type of
human being he is. I'm evaluating the type of player
he is, and he wants very little to do with
any sort of the backup point guard duties, which include
pushing the ball in transition, getting your team into something gay,
moving the basketball, and guarding ninety four feet and really
(40:18):
pressuring to be in the nuisances. It honestly is Bronnie
has been watching real NBA guys do it his whole life.
He has been going through the exact same process, but
he has not and he needs to play a ton,
but he has not played enough. The knee issue, knee swelling,
(40:40):
that's all just the team shutting him down for a day,
giving him ty to rest because they know Vegas is
going to be hard on him. But the actual analysis
from coach Gottliebiz, I don't see any sort of desire
to be at either end of the floor. A point
guard or league guard just kind of wants to stand
(41:00):
over in the corner of the balls thrown up to him,
try and go get a bucket. It doesn't mean that
he won't be better in game two or whenever. That
Game two is just like Victor Webbin, noa I'm a
struggle in Game one was fine in Game two. I
don't care. You're right, I'm with Lebron. I don't care
about the stats. But I watched the game and there
was nothing dynamic about him defensively and offensively. You know,
(41:22):
a couple of times he got straight line drives. Other
than that, he just wants It's like he gets the
ball with the idea of mind, how quickly can I shoot?
How quickly can I shoot? Yes? Said Jason Torett.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
Can we go back to what Lebron said about Bronni
doesn't care what you think and or doesn't give an
f what you think? Which is a side note, by
the way, Lebron taking what JJ Reddick said at his
press conference, he doesn't give an F. That should be
the Lakers model this season. We don't give an F
because they're probably gonna be like the ninth or tenth seed. Right. Anyways,
(41:57):
Bronnie doesn't care what you think. Isn't Lebron a little
misled here? I don't think the criticism everything that's been
written and said about Bronnie, I don't think it is
has ever in an indictment on the kid as a person,
or his effort or anything like this. I always thought
the criticism this whole time was about Lebron, about Rich Paul,
(42:21):
and about this system that kind of pushed this kid
through who isn't really deserving. But it's never really been
criticism of Bronni himself. So when he says he doesn't care,
like Lebron is deflecting right, because the criticism has been
basically targeted towards Lebron this whole time.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Well, I think there's some of that. Yeah, there's a
lot of it that's targeted towards Lebron, but there's a
lot of it in which here's my biggest issue with
his group is that reasonable analysis is called criticism, Like okay,
I mean to me, it's you can analyze and be critical,
(43:04):
but not have criticism. There's no ability for anybody to
ever improve. And like this his whole thing with her,
he's got to develop. There's no chance you ever develop
if you tell everybody, hey, everything he did was great,
Like nobody develops that way ever. Ever, what Lebron is
guilty of is many people in our business are guilty
of that. Hey, I want feedback. Then you give somebody
(43:26):
negative feedback, You're like, whoa, why are you so negative? Like, dude,
you want feedback, right, do you want a feedback? Either
you want to get better, you don't. Everyone says they
want to get better. Everyone says they want feedback. Everyone
says they want to improve. But real improvement comes from
people who you trust, who you respect, who've been through it,
who said, like, yeah, I don't like that, like that,
(43:47):
this is not good, This gotta be better. This is
pretty good leading into that. But that's not how lebron operates.
He because he's been surrounded by sycophants for so much
of his life, he believes that everybody should treat Bronnie
even that way. And while he's right, it is yet
less the year removed from heart surgery. The fact is
(44:08):
that no other player would have been drafted in the
first two rounds as a borderline prospect if they were
coming off of heart surgery. All of those things you
want to point to, it to nepotism or you know,
just unbelievable athlete advantage. I just that's not criticism in
(44:31):
the purest sense. That's reality. No one else would get
that opportunity other than Bronnie. And he only got that
opportunity because of your last name, and because you push
for it
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