July 17, 2024 • 17 mins
George Noory and psychic medium Susan Grau discuss her enlightenment following a harrowing near death experience as a child, the feelings of infinite love she felt in the afterlife, and how spirit guides help lead our path for growth in this life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Susan Grau with Us a medium speaker author. She uses
her understanding of the afterlife to show people and individuals
and children how to understand and utilize their afterlife encounters.
Susan's mission is to help alleviate the pain and grief
of losing someone through a greater comprehension of the afterlife.
(00:27):
Her book is called Infinite Life, Infinite Lesson. Susan. Welcome
to the program, first time.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I understand it is my first time. George. It's so
nice to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, let's look forward to two hours of having a
great time. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Tell us a little bit more about yourself.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Well, I had a near death experience at five years old,
almost five. I was locked in an unclubbed breeze or
in a garage. Oh my god, and yeah yeah, some
boys locked me in there and I had a really
profound experience. I traveled into the afterlife, and when I
came back, I just knew things and felt things, and
(01:09):
I got to see a lot of rooms there and
have a It was profound. It was quite profound.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
How long were you locked in there?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Well, they say anywhere from twenty minutes to two hours.
I'm sure it's somewhere in between.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Without auction, how'd you get out?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
My mother kept carrying your babies in the freezer, and
she ignored it for quite a long time, and then
finally she decided to go investigate. The garage store was closed.
They closed the garage door, and she said, I couldn't
open it myself, so she figured I wouldn't be in there,
But then she decided to double check. And when she
opened up the got in and opened up the freezer.
(01:46):
There I was, and I was ashen, and she spun
me around and I fell out and hit my face
basically my chin, and craft it open and took a breath.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh my god. Now, what happened to the two boys
who locked you in there?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Not a thing. I think my mom went over there
and you know, did her cry thing, and they just
got told they were bad to do it, never to
do it again.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I would assume they did not know they were killing
you when they did this.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
No, I think we were playing a game. I thought
I was part of the game, I think they thought.
And they were just kind of mean little boys. They
really were. I mean they you know, they just had
this way about them. So they used to do other
things too. I was younger, and you know how older
boys like to pick on the little kids, and they did,
and you know, they thought it was funny. They thought
I'd just be really scared. They didn't recognize that I
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wouldn't be able to breathe.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, Susan, at five years old, what do you still
recollect about this thing?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well? I was. I was four and a half, actually
almost five, and I had to tell you I remember
every detail and have my whole life. There wasn't anything
I don't remember. I was taken at my body. I
did not look back at my body like I hear
from a lot of people. I ended up at the
bottom of a starewell and I was looking up, thinking
how am I going to get up there? But what
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happened immediately when I started screaming is I saw three
lights and I heard stop screaming. I didn't because I
was little and I was scared. I was terrified. And
then I heard one of them say very strongly, stop screaming.
We're going to show you something. And then the next
thing I knew, I was at the bottom of the stairwell,
and I knew that it was really full room. I
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tell you now as an adult, a Greco Roman room
with an open ceiling, and I knew there was a
circle inside. And I actually studied under doctor Raymond Moody
and he told me that was probably the tunnel. I
called it the well. And the next thing I knew,
I was at the edge of this well, and I
could see DNA, like a look of DNA, like the
(03:54):
swirling words, and it was moving all over the place.
And of course I didn't recognize DAN at the time,
but I see it now as one consciousness. And I
was listening to prayers. But my mom's going to die,
Please help her, Please don't let her die. Dad. I
want to get my dad to buy me a new car.
It was all these prayers, and I looked at these
(04:15):
beautiful lights, which I called my angels, and I said,
do you answer all those And they said, no, Suzie.
Sometimes that people desire the most isn't good for them.
And they continued, go.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Ahead, Oh, no, a show well.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
They continued to show me three other places quite profoundly.
I mean I was in each room. One was the
Room of Knowledge, which is I know now as an adult,
is the Acotic records. I was in the Room of Companions,
which is animals. And I was on the Yellow Brook Road.
I called it the Yellow Broock Road because I had
been I had seen the Wizard of Oz, and so
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the yellow brick Road made sense to me. But it
was a beautiful road of pavers, and there were pyramids,
and people were trying to pave their path, and it
was all bumpy and crooked and out alignment, and they
were pulling from the bottom of these pyramids to do so.
And I knew somehow innately that that was their life balance,
that they were making their life journey off balance. And
(05:16):
they dropped to their knees and they'd say, please help me,
for the love of God, please help me. And I'd
watch these beautiful angel lights come in, remove all the papers,
put it to the bottom of the pyramid, go to
the top and start pulling the papers, and they'd recreate.
And I watched them pay this path, and I said,
what are you doing? And they said, we are the papers.
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You are not. All you have to do is walk it,
And I said, how do you know if you're walking
it right? And they said, because we blessed and block everything.
And if you see a block shift, if you see
another block shift, and continue in that process until you
see us heaving your path. We know what's right for you.
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You think you know what's right for you. And they
said what you try to control controls you, and what
you run from chases you. You must face your journey.
And I flipped out of that. You know, that's a
really long story, but I flipped out of that into
the room of knowledge and I was watching these not
(06:20):
there was no such thing as virtual in my age,
but it looked like that to me now looking back
that it was kind of like the tablets of books
moving in this room. And I was watching these soul
families and I didn't understand they were sull families until later,
but I know now. And they were having this conversation
(06:41):
and they were saying things like I'm going to go
back and I'm going to do this, and I'm going
to do this, and I'm going to do that, and
this one was saying, I'm going to come right after
you and I'll help you do this. And I could
hear these guides saying to them, I don't think you
want to do all that. There's way too much to
take on in one lifetime. And they go, no, no,
I can do it. I can do it. Well, there's
a lot going on there, and it's going to be
(07:02):
really hard for you to do have all those experiences
to learn and grow. How about we put that down
a little basically, is what they were saying. And they said, no, no,
I can do it. And they said, okay, you have
free will, And the next thing I know, they were gone.
And then there were more people and I said where
did they go? And they said they went to their
next incarnation, and they explained what free will was to me.
(07:27):
I didn't clearly understand it, but I knew a little
bit about what they were saying, like, I get to
make my own decisions, and I have doors in front
of me, and those decisions besides the soul growth that
I have dependent upon which decision I make, besides the
pain level or the joy level, and my soul expands
and grows through that.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And all this thought four and a half. You remember
all this.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I remember it all. I just didn't understand it all.
I understand it all now, So I'm giving you the
v point now as an adult woman that understands what
all of that meant. What I saw, what it meant,
But at the time I didn't really understand it. I
just kind of watched it. It was like, you know,
I watched The Wizard of Oz and ars a little girl,
(08:15):
and I remember every detail of the Wizard of Oz
was kind of like that. For me. I never forgot
the movie. I loved it, you know, follow the yellow
brick row and the little you know, you know, the
little animals and creatures, and that's how it was. It
was like watching the scene for me. And so I
didn't understand the metaphorical information like most things that we watched,
(08:38):
but I did understand what I was seeing, meaning it
was clear to me. And I flashed into a room
that was the room of companions, which were our animals,
and they were romping and playing and having fun. And
I ended up in this field with this beautiful flowers.
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And I was little, you know, I was still me.
I was little, and I looked to my left and
there was this mountain, and on this mountain was this
amazingly it's very emotional, Amazingly beautiful beam, and I could
feel nothing but love, and I knew I was good.
(09:22):
I was I was enough, I was perfect. No, it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
It was more like Source, what we call God or Source.
It was powerful and all love, pure love, and it
was a beam. It was light coming out that I
can't explain, so bright that it should have hurt my
if I had eyes which and it it was like
(09:52):
a feeling.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Of your perfection. There is nothing that isn't perfect in you,
and you're just love and peace, unconditional. Everything about you
is perfection. And I wanted to go up the mountain
and I knew I couldn't. And then this beautiful light
I'm going to call the light beam, I don't know
(10:13):
what else to call it came towards me. And as
it was coming towards me, it just expanded more and
more and more, and I felt more love and more
love and more love. And then I looked to my
right and there was an angel floating towards me, excuse me.
And I wanted to float. That's all I could think of.
(10:36):
Am I going to float? I hope I can float?
I want to float?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Did you know?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
No? I did not. I was in a different place.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Did you even know though, where you were?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
No, I knew. I grew up, so I had some
topologism background at that point in my journey. And my
parents were Catholic, and so I understood angels, and I
understood God, and I understood heaven. So I guess you
could say I thought I was probably there, but I
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didn't understand it fully. I was still too little, and
I had never lost an animal, so I didn't see
any animals I knew. And I had never lost a
loved one that I knew real well at that time,
and so I didn't get that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Connection when you came out of this, when you came back,
how long did it take before you realized what had
happened to you? Did it take years or did you
know right away?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
No, it took years. I did not understand whatsoever what happened.
I remembered everything, and I would tell my mom, and
you know, she'd write things down because my mother and
my sister and my brother had abilities, and I was
seen things and I would cry, and I thought they
were the Boogeyman. And they would surround me and talk
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to me, and I would hear mumbling, and they weren't
the Boogeyman, and I realized that when they didn't hurt me.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
At what age did you realize that there's something out there?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Well, I knew I started playing with them, and when
I realized they weren't going to hurt me and I
didn't need to be afraid of when I truly understood
that there was more, and that was probably right at five,
about three or four months after this event, and I
got it.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I was still a little kid.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yes I was little, but I knew that there was
more to life than just what we were living. And
I was a little healer. I wanted to heal everything
and everyone. So I was already, you know, walking around
trying to fix and heal and make people okay. I
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was a little fixer, and especially with animals, and I
just wanted to be loved. That's all I wanted. Just
love me and I'll be okay. And so I was
constantly trying to be there for everyone, even just as
a little girl. I'd play with my friends and if
they got an alley idea right on top of them,
oh let me fix you. And everyone used to say
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I'm going to be a doctor, but that wasn't what
was going on inside of me. I knew that there
was some reason that I was here, I just didn't
know what it was completely. Even though they told me
that I was going to have a very difficult life
journey and that I would help people heal, I still
didn't understand fully.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well, you carried this through since you were five, I
would guess almost every day.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I'd play with them when I was little all the time.
My family called it the creepy Room, George, because it
was our living room, and I would play house in
there with ghosts. That's what I would do all day long.
And so they called my brothers and sisters called the
creepy room.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Did they that? Did they understand what was going on
too with you?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I think so? In some way. I know that my
brother had this gift very profoundly. He saught spirit, and
I know that my sister and my mother had it.
But my mother was put She had a nervous breakdown
over it, and they put her in an institution for
a couple of weeks and medicated her. As part of
why she didn't come find me earlier. When she heard
the message, I was in the freezer.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Where did she hear the message from her head, some
spirit gave it to her.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I believe so, and you know I was talking to
her too, So I always wonder, is that my first
lesson in how to communicate? But you know that the
spirit world is an amazing, beautiful realm and there is
nothing to fear. So I have never feared leaving this planet,
and in fact, I wanted to till I was thirty
(15:06):
six years old. It's not something I share very often,
but I wanted to leave. I didn't want to be here.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So I always tell people, Susan, there's no rush, you'll
get there.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
That's right. Well, and now I'm so grateful because I
recognize that no matter what we go through, we have
something to offer ourselves and others. Our soul grows from
our experiences. Since you know, I had two brothers and
a mother who committed suicide, and so I've had some
real grief, Oh my God, along with that, yeah, along
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with other things, and that has happened in my life journey,
and so I understand grief, and I know that it
was my greatest gift to understand that the soul grows
in that through that, not their leaving, but knowing that
my soul was going to grow through that that I
would be okay.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Truly remarkable. Yeah did you did youlf teach yourself or
did you have helpers? Well, I mean, I mean, I
mean human helpers.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Okay, I was wondering.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I studied under Lisa Williams, James von Prague, doctor Raymond Moody.
I got my doctorate with doctor Raymond Moody and divinity.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The best, the best of the best.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And I'm still friends with James. And he told me to.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Tell you hello, a great guy.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yes he is, but I you know, I it was
important to me to understand my intuitive gift. I wanted
to understand what intuition was because it's so important and
the problem in our world is that we don't know
how to separate fear from from intuition. And intuition is survival.
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It helps us. It's it's a beautiful gift that we can,
you know, maneuver through the world understanding what's the us,
what's happening, and fear can hould us back, it can
stop us from doing things because we don't. It's frightening
to us. It's heavy, it's still dark. So you know,
I had to learn what the difference was of my
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intuitive information and my fear based because all humans are
fear based in some way.
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Susan Grau with Us a medium speaker author. She uses
her understanding of the afterlife to show people and individuals
and children how to understand and utilize their afterlife encounters.
Susan's mission is to help alleviate the pain and grief
of losing someone through a greater comprehension of the afterlife.
(00:27):
Her book is called Infinite Life, Infinite Lesson. Susan. Welcome
to the program, first time.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I understand it is my first time. George. It's so
nice to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, let's look forward to two hours of having a
great time. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Tell us a little bit more about yourself.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Well, I had a near death experience at five years old,
almost five. I was locked in an unclubbed breeze or
in a garage. Oh my god, and yeah yeah, some
boys locked me in there and I had a really
profound experience. I traveled into the afterlife, and when I
came back, I just knew things and felt things, and
(01:09):
I got to see a lot of rooms there and
have a It was profound. It was quite profound.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
How long were you locked in there?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Well, they say anywhere from twenty minutes to two hours.
I'm sure it's somewhere in between.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Without auction, how'd you get out?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
My mother kept carrying your babies in the freezer, and
she ignored it for quite a long time, and then
finally she decided to go investigate. The garage store was closed.
They closed the garage door, and she said, I couldn't
open it myself, so she figured I wouldn't be in there,
But then she decided to double check. And when she
opened up the got in and opened up the freezer.
(01:46):
There I was, and I was ashen, and she spun
me around and I fell out and hit my face
basically my chin, and craft it open and took a breath.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh my god. Now, what happened to the two boys
who locked you in there?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Not a thing. I think my mom went over there
and you know, did her cry thing, and they just
got told they were bad to do it, never to
do it again.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I would assume they did not know they were killing
you when they did this.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
No, I think we were playing a game. I thought
I was part of the game, I think they thought.
And they were just kind of mean little boys. They
really were. I mean they you know, they just had
this way about them. So they used to do other
things too. I was younger, and you know how older
boys like to pick on the little kids, and they did,
and you know, they thought it was funny. They thought
I'd just be really scared. They didn't recognize that I
(02:37):
wouldn't be able to breathe.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, Susan, at five years old, what do you still
recollect about this thing?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well? I was. I was four and a half, actually
almost five, and I had to tell you I remember
every detail and have my whole life. There wasn't anything
I don't remember. I was taken at my body. I
did not look back at my body like I hear
from a lot of people. I ended up at the
bottom of a starewell and I was looking up, thinking
how am I going to get up there? But what
(03:07):
happened immediately when I started screaming is I saw three
lights and I heard stop screaming. I didn't because I
was little and I was scared. I was terrified. And
then I heard one of them say very strongly, stop screaming.
We're going to show you something. And then the next
thing I knew, I was at the bottom of the stairwell,
and I knew that it was really full room. I
(03:31):
tell you now as an adult, a Greco Roman room
with an open ceiling, and I knew there was a
circle inside. And I actually studied under doctor Raymond Moody
and he told me that was probably the tunnel. I
called it the well. And the next thing I knew,
I was at the edge of this well, and I
could see DNA, like a look of DNA, like the
(03:54):
swirling words, and it was moving all over the place.
And of course I didn't recognize DAN at the time,
but I see it now as one consciousness. And I
was listening to prayers. But my mom's going to die,
Please help her, Please don't let her die. Dad. I
want to get my dad to buy me a new car.
It was all these prayers, and I looked at these
(04:15):
beautiful lights, which I called my angels, and I said,
do you answer all those And they said, no, Suzie.
Sometimes that people desire the most isn't good for them.
And they continued, go.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Ahead, Oh, no, a show well.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
They continued to show me three other places quite profoundly.
I mean I was in each room. One was the
Room of Knowledge, which is I know now as an adult,
is the Acotic records. I was in the Room of Companions,
which is animals. And I was on the Yellow Brook Road.
I called it the Yellow Broock Road because I had
been I had seen the Wizard of Oz, and so
(04:54):
the yellow brick Road made sense to me. But it
was a beautiful road of pavers, and there were pyramids,
and people were trying to pave their path, and it
was all bumpy and crooked and out alignment, and they
were pulling from the bottom of these pyramids to do so.
And I knew somehow innately that that was their life balance,
that they were making their life journey off balance. And
(05:16):
they dropped to their knees and they'd say, please help me,
for the love of God, please help me. And I'd
watch these beautiful angel lights come in, remove all the papers,
put it to the bottom of the pyramid, go to
the top and start pulling the papers, and they'd recreate.
And I watched them pay this path, and I said,
what are you doing? And they said, we are the papers.
(05:36):
You are not. All you have to do is walk it,
And I said, how do you know if you're walking
it right? And they said, because we blessed and block everything.
And if you see a block shift, if you see
another block shift, and continue in that process until you
see us heaving your path. We know what's right for you.
(05:56):
You think you know what's right for you. And they
said what you try to control controls you, and what
you run from chases you. You must face your journey.
And I flipped out of that. You know, that's a
really long story, but I flipped out of that into
the room of knowledge and I was watching these not
(06:20):
there was no such thing as virtual in my age,
but it looked like that to me now looking back
that it was kind of like the tablets of books
moving in this room. And I was watching these soul
families and I didn't understand they were sull families until later,
but I know now. And they were having this conversation
(06:41):
and they were saying things like I'm going to go
back and I'm going to do this, and I'm going
to do this, and I'm going to do that, and
this one was saying, I'm going to come right after
you and I'll help you do this. And I could
hear these guides saying to them, I don't think you
want to do all that. There's way too much to
take on in one lifetime. And they go, no, no,
I can do it. I can do it. Well, there's
a lot going on there, and it's going to be
(07:02):
really hard for you to do have all those experiences
to learn and grow. How about we put that down
a little basically, is what they were saying. And they said, no, no,
I can do it. And they said, okay, you have
free will, And the next thing I know, they were gone.
And then there were more people and I said where
did they go? And they said they went to their
next incarnation, and they explained what free will was to me.
(07:27):
I didn't clearly understand it, but I knew a little
bit about what they were saying, like, I get to
make my own decisions, and I have doors in front
of me, and those decisions besides the soul growth that
I have dependent upon which decision I make, besides the
pain level or the joy level, and my soul expands
and grows through that.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And all this thought four and a half. You remember
all this.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I remember it all. I just didn't understand it all.
I understand it all now, So I'm giving you the
v point now as an adult woman that understands what
all of that meant. What I saw, what it meant,
But at the time I didn't really understand it. I
just kind of watched it. It was like, you know,
I watched The Wizard of Oz and ars a little girl,
(08:15):
and I remember every detail of the Wizard of Oz
was kind of like that. For me. I never forgot
the movie. I loved it, you know, follow the yellow
brick row and the little you know, you know, the
little animals and creatures, and that's how it was. It
was like watching the scene for me. And so I
didn't understand the metaphorical information like most things that we watched,
(08:38):
but I did understand what I was seeing, meaning it
was clear to me. And I flashed into a room
that was the room of companions, which were our animals,
and they were romping and playing and having fun. And
I ended up in this field with this beautiful flowers.
(08:59):
And I was little, you know, I was still me.
I was little, and I looked to my left and
there was this mountain, and on this mountain was this
amazingly it's very emotional, Amazingly beautiful beam, and I could
feel nothing but love, and I knew I was good.
(09:22):
I was I was enough, I was perfect. No, it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
It was more like Source, what we call God or Source.
It was powerful and all love, pure love, and it
was a beam. It was light coming out that I
can't explain, so bright that it should have hurt my
if I had eyes which and it it was like
(09:52):
a feeling.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Of your perfection. There is nothing that isn't perfect in you,
and you're just love and peace, unconditional. Everything about you
is perfection. And I wanted to go up the mountain
and I knew I couldn't. And then this beautiful light
I'm going to call the light beam, I don't know
(10:13):
what else to call it came towards me. And as
it was coming towards me, it just expanded more and
more and more, and I felt more love and more
love and more love. And then I looked to my
right and there was an angel floating towards me, excuse me.
And I wanted to float. That's all I could think of.
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Am I going to float? I hope I can float?
I want to float?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Did you know?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
No? I did not. I was in a different place.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Did you even know though, where you were?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
No, I knew. I grew up, so I had some
topologism background at that point in my journey. And my
parents were Catholic, and so I understood angels, and I
understood God, and I understood heaven. So I guess you
could say I thought I was probably there, but I
(11:13):
didn't understand it fully. I was still too little, and
I had never lost an animal, so I didn't see
any animals I knew. And I had never lost a
loved one that I knew real well at that time,
and so I didn't get that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Connection when you came out of this, when you came back,
how long did it take before you realized what had
happened to you? Did it take years or did you
know right away?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
No, it took years. I did not understand whatsoever what happened.
I remembered everything, and I would tell my mom, and
you know, she'd write things down because my mother and
my sister and my brother had abilities, and I was
seen things and I would cry, and I thought they
were the Boogeyman. And they would surround me and talk
(12:04):
to me, and I would hear mumbling, and they weren't
the Boogeyman, and I realized that when they didn't hurt me.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
At what age did you realize that there's something out there?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Well, I knew I started playing with them, and when
I realized they weren't going to hurt me and I
didn't need to be afraid of when I truly understood
that there was more, and that was probably right at five,
about three or four months after this event, and I
got it.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I was still a little kid.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yes I was little, but I knew that there was
more to life than just what we were living. And
I was a little healer. I wanted to heal everything
and everyone. So I was already, you know, walking around
trying to fix and heal and make people okay. I
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was a little fixer, and especially with animals, and I
just wanted to be loved. That's all I wanted. Just
love me and I'll be okay. And so I was
constantly trying to be there for everyone, even just as
a little girl. I'd play with my friends and if
they got an alley idea right on top of them,
oh let me fix you. And everyone used to say
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I'm going to be a doctor, but that wasn't what
was going on inside of me. I knew that there
was some reason that I was here, I just didn't
know what it was completely. Even though they told me
that I was going to have a very difficult life
journey and that I would help people heal, I still
didn't understand fully.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well, you carried this through since you were five, I
would guess almost every day.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I'd play with them when I was little all the time.
My family called it the creepy Room, George, because it
was our living room, and I would play house in
there with ghosts. That's what I would do all day long.
And so they called my brothers and sisters called the
creepy room.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Did they that? Did they understand what was going on
too with you?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I think so? In some way. I know that my
brother had this gift very profoundly. He saught spirit, and
I know that my sister and my mother had it.
But my mother was put She had a nervous breakdown
over it, and they put her in an institution for
a couple of weeks and medicated her. As part of
why she didn't come find me earlier. When she heard
the message, I was in the freezer.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Where did she hear the message from her head, some
spirit gave it to her.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I believe so, and you know I was talking to
her too, So I always wonder, is that my first
lesson in how to communicate? But you know that the
spirit world is an amazing, beautiful realm and there is
nothing to fear. So I have never feared leaving this planet,
and in fact, I wanted to till I was thirty
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six years old. It's not something I share very often,
but I wanted to leave. I didn't want to be here.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So I always tell people, Susan, there's no rush, you'll
get there.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
That's right. Well, and now I'm so grateful because I
recognize that no matter what we go through, we have
something to offer ourselves and others. Our soul grows from
our experiences. Since you know, I had two brothers and
a mother who committed suicide, and so I've had some
real grief, Oh my God, along with that, yeah, along
(15:37):
with other things, and that has happened in my life journey,
and so I understand grief, and I know that it
was my greatest gift to understand that the soul grows
in that through that, not their leaving, but knowing that
my soul was going to grow through that that I
would be okay.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Truly remarkable. Yeah did you did youlf teach yourself or
did you have helpers? Well, I mean, I mean, I
mean human helpers.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Okay, I was wondering.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I studied under Lisa Williams, James von Prague, doctor Raymond Moody.
I got my doctorate with doctor Raymond Moody and divinity.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The best, the best of the best.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And I'm still friends with James. And he told me to.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Tell you hello, a great guy.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yes he is, but I you know, I it was
important to me to understand my intuitive gift. I wanted
to understand what intuition was because it's so important and
the problem in our world is that we don't know
how to separate fear from from intuition. And intuition is survival.
(16:53):
It helps us. It's it's a beautiful gift that we can,
you know, maneuver through the world understanding what's the us,
what's happening, and fear can hould us back, it can
stop us from doing things because we don't. It's frightening
to us. It's heavy, it's still dark. So you know,
I had to learn what the difference was of my
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intuitive information and my fear based because all humans are
fear based in some way.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
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