"This Is What I Personally Believe" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Speaker 2 (01:57):
Speaking of offerings, I think that it's time. It's finally
time for us to wait into the discourse that is
the Tortured Poets Department.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
And it's finally time. And I'm promising, I'm swearing on
my life, we're gonna be talking about the year twenty thirteen. Yeah,
it's happening. To get that out of the way. We're
getting to we're not punting it, we're not kicking it
down the road. It's gonna happen. Yeah, but we're gonna
do what we do and talk about this new big
album that came out. This is a stamming a run

(02:26):
of a year for us. This has been music here,
not since like what twenty ten, twenty eleven have the
girlies been this prolific. I mean it's been overwhelming. And
also it's not even like, for example, like with Tortured Poets.
She long and so there's a lot of music on
top of all the other new music.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
And also you have to remember I'm newly in Mi
Lana era, right, so I have all these albums to
get through. I have homework. I haven't felt like this
since AP Environmental. Would you believe I got a bad
score on AP Environmental? You don't like the Earth?

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Not a big fan because it's full of toxic trolls.
They're living under the crust those trolls. Now we have
to have to before we talk about Tortured Poets Department. Yeah,
talk deeply about the best song of the year so far,
and that is Espresso. And I want to say that

(03:30):
last week I sort of popped off about Coachella and
I said, like a lot of things, and I feel
that I paid Sabrina a little tiny bit of dust
because I kind of popped off about Chapel and then
I went from Chapel over to Sabrina and Serena was
just giving a different it's a different gear. It's not
that anything was better or worse. It was just like
it's a different show. She's in her cute little dresses

(03:53):
singing in front of like a desert motel set, which
I thought was really cute and inspired. But it was
really cute. I mean the whole thing, like her entire
aesthetic right now in the way that they're presenting the
album and the new single, Like I think it's great.
And she I didn't realize she had so many albums,
but she had a lot of albums.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, she's been around, and it feels like they finally
snapped into something really cool with her where she's she's
this like cute little like nostalgia almost like beat Like
what would you call those movies like Fello.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
A net Footicello. Well, I mean she literally was in
a remake of Adventures and Babysitting, Yeah, you know what
I mean. Like she is like a kind of like
child star that like I don't know, hasn't been really
pinballed around the industry and like she kind of at
this point has landed as like fun cool, chill, girly

(04:46):
like Espresso is that. Espresso is that if you like
watch her interview, she's just like funny girl. Yeah, we
like her. Cool check and Sabrina, Sabrina, You're invited on
the pod if you want to come, if you want
to come here, you have a spot here. There is
a place for you at the table. There is a
place for you on last Culture and we want a

(05:07):
webby okay, and you might get it's another one. It
might be the funniest episode of the year. Our episode
was Sabrina Carpenter. You might be the new Richard pryor
Sabrina Carpenter if you come on this podcast. I see
that for her.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I'm telling you, like I'm listening to Espresso, I'm streaming.
So that's what I'm saying is it's like there's so
much that, but this is taking a song to.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Pop out like that, and I love that. This is
during the Torture Poet's discourse, we cannot stop talking about espresso.
But I have to say that's the vibe. It is
crack cocaine, an addictive drug that I made. Yeah, exactly
episode when she does her little dance and I know

(05:52):
you can do it, so show us that's stem me es.
You do it, that's stem meestress and listen like you
can't see us doing it, but just know we're doing
it exactly right. Yeah, even better than Sabrina. Even better
than Sabrina Sabrina.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
If you come to this podcast and you allow us
to interview you, you can watch us do the choreo
and then and then.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Retire because no one's doing your dance moves better than us.
Let me tell you something, Well, shut it down. No,
she's she's on her way. She's not not what am
I saying? She's not on her way, she's she's a rye.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
No, but I think that she's continuing to like well,
I think this last album because I did, I a
bunch of her stuff. Album album is great. I love
Tornado Warnings, I love Opposite.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Opposite is so fun, already over, already over because I
loved it. Boy. I mean, if you just listen to
that album all the way through, so good, nonsense nonsense.
I love Yeah so much. It's such a sweet song. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I mean, also the way that she ends every live
performance with like a different rhyme rhyme.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Okay, I don't know. I just think she's fucking cute
and great and more. And I guess Tortured Poets Department
was made by I suppose her mother, her mom, her mom,
Taylor Taylor's and she is the world's mom. Let's talk
Tortured Poets Department. This is an album that I'm just

(07:19):
gonna say up top, we will look back on and
be like, damn, this is pretty fucking major. I think
that what's happening right now is the discourse is out
of fucking control and people are bending themselves into a
pretzel trying to figure out what they want to like
land on in a concrete way. And like, I think

(07:40):
the fact that it was thirty one songs like made
everyone so like frustrated and overwhelmed that that, like that
was the headline, right, Because Yeah, here's the thing, this
is my take. I'm just gonna get out of the way.
She needed to get to thirty one, right, And I
don't discount that as a reason as a motivating force,

(08:03):
because so much of this album is her literally subverting,
inverting all these things that we know about her. Yeah,
and like she's basically instead of breaking any new sonic ground,
she is dipping back into I think you were the
one to put this idea into my head, Like she's
dipping back into all of her old styles and albums
and approaches to songwriting. And she's kind of, as it were,

(08:25):
putting like a Sepiatone filter on everything, which is kind
of what she was doing on social media anyway, Like
all of it was being like Cepiotone, right. It was
like whatever photos were coming out of the tour in
the post US legs were like, oh, this is like
the treatment now for everything, And I think this is
retroactively the treatment in a very clever clever seems like

(08:48):
so like not the right word like savvy way where
it's like when she was putting out those playlists and
Apple music where it was like, oh, it's all the
stages of grief. It's her like recontextualizing all her own music.
I think that is a very intentional thing. Think that
is a statement on the album itself, which is, yeah,
everything you know about me, I'm looking back at retroactively redundant,
but yes, you know what I mean, Like I'm retroactively

(09:09):
considering this and the chapter is closed, We're moving on. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I mean, I think the fact that she came out
and said this was a chapter in my life that's closed,
we're moving on, like, is such an because I remember
when the Aristotle was happening. I threw out there at
one point, like I wonder how healthy it is to
be doing this and also have the entire world's attention.
And some people were like, oh, like she's speculate. I'm like,

(09:33):
how healthy it is? Blah blah blah, Like you know that.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
But I also think that she's sort of answered that
question here, which is it was not the healthiest time
of her life doing this, like she had this relationship
and and whatever about the personal aspects of it all,
because I'm I think we're putting the car before the
horse a lot with her, because if you just make
it about the music, it's a way simpler conversation. There

(09:58):
are so many fucking incredible songs on this, and I
really think people would do themselves a favor if they
started listening to her music as if they're the protagonist
of the songs and not she is the protagonist, or
by the same token, the antagonist of these songs like
take Taylor Swift out of it and just experience the

(10:18):
song just a big ass.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, it's not as easy as it is said to
accomplish because I think that she obviously looms so large.
But what I'm I guess pulling is that, like, this
album is a collection of songs that she wrote during
one of the most intense periods of her life, and
so yes, it is a little bit messy.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yes, it is like big. It's also like lyrically.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
People saying that she's not experimenting here, she's like way
more frank, she curses a lot more, she's like talking
about like it's just like a rougher, dirtier, like more
textured lyric throughout. Then I think she's given so to
say there's no experimentation here, I don't think is totally correct.
I get that it feels like a lot of these

(11:05):
sounds we've heard before, but if you really listen to
this album, I think what she gave is like nineties
VH one country rock, girly, and that is kind of
what I wanted. Yeah, it's just there is so much music,
so it's hard to get through it all just physically,

(11:25):
and I think that's informing some of the takes, like Oh,
I'm throwing my hands up in there because I'm already
overwhelmed this too much. But once you really fucking listen,
there's a ton of great.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Fucking shit here. It is that genre and I love
that for her. Yes, I agree with all of what
you're saying. What I did last night was, if you
have an Apple Music subscription, put it on the TV,
have the lyrics next to you. Yes. Yes, it's such
an interesting experience. I think she also it doesn't really matter,

(11:59):
but it's like I think what she would want because
it is such a right early album. Yeah, it is
such a lit Manger kind of thing. Yeah. I found
it really really engrossing in that way.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, it's so funny because she rotates between being very
like one to one in her lyrics, like and now
I'm down bad crying at the gym. Yeah, and then
in like contrast to that, there's the Albatross and there's
like almost everything on the anthology which is like very dense.
And I think that some of the comments, like in

(12:35):
some of the more negative reviews, is that it feels
like it's too much words and it needs like inner
cuts and edits to like get through it.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
But I kind of think that all of that is
the point. Like it's like, yeah, it's her version of
a tortured poetry book that she's putting through a Taylor
Swift lens. Yeah, And if it's polarizing to people, A,
I think that's good, and I think that will make
everything about going forward more interesting. And B I think again,

(13:03):
you don't have to sit there and listen to all
thirty one of these in a row. No, like, let
them just be songs. Yeah, because that's really all I are. People. Hmmm.
I think that her not having this filter. I think
this album is like an unfiltered cigarette totally her not
having that filter literally figuratively. I think she is seizing

(13:27):
this as the first post Eras tour album released, Like
every eye and ear is gonna be on this. What
can I do that I can only do now? Like
this is another carte blanche for me, right, because you
know what, she didn't really get that with nineteen eighty nine.
She did not get the opportunity to do a post
Imperial Phase album to be like I can make this

(13:47):
whatever I want, right, She was kind of backed into
recorder was pushed into push into reputation, and.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
In saying that, like as a follow up to nineteen
eighty nine, even without all the stuff around it, reputation
like incredible album r but like she conceptually had to
have some reactionary work, like after the whole Kim Kanye show.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yes, she did not have the opportunity until now to
come off of one of the biggest moments of her
career and then be like I can do whatever. This
is true imperial phase. I'm lucky enough to get a
second one. Yes, what can I do with this opportunity?
This is maybe the only time in her career. I

(14:28):
don't know, this is not totally informed, but like she's
gonna put out an album with thirty one songs on
it and have everyone listen to it, right what I mean? Yes?
I feel like also one thing that's getting lost is
when people are like, oh, it's thirty one songs, Like
that's too much for an album. It is two albums.
There's a fifteen song album and a sixteen song second album,
or a sixteen song album and a fifteen song follow up.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
So think about it that way if people need it
to be easier for them. But I think like what
you're saying about it feeling cumulative and also imperial, especially
in this moment, is so dead on, because what I
think we have here is.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Like the bitchy grown daughter of Red and Reputation. Like
I really feel like that's what we have here. It
feels like a sequel to both those albums to me
in a way, Red because of the genre that I
think we pretty much land on and Yes, and also
Reputation in that there is a lot of comment personal

(15:26):
comment that you can apply to yourself once you get
through like what this moment is, which is the release
and everyone doing the decoding thing that happens with her.
What you'll find is I think similar to what you
find with Reputation, which is just great music. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
And I also think it's like that daughter of Red
and Reputation, like graduated from Evermore College and vacation did Midnights.
And I feel like there's also a lot of speak
now in this just sonically there's a lot of speak now. Yeah,
I think so high school is speak now, I think so.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
And I also think that Clara bo kind of gives
speak now, Clara Bow gives Lucky from Red too. Yeah,
It's like the grown up version of the Lucky Ones, right.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
And I think that what's so great about all of
this is that it was created during the Eras tour,
when she was immersed in all of those eras. So
as a fan, this is very satisfying if you're looking
at it like a collective. And I also think just
from an artistic standpoint, what she's done is she has
funneled what I would essentially call and I'm not saying

(16:25):
this pejoritay ofly like a manic period, and you feel
that in the music, like the extremes of the emotions,
like the extremes of the lyricisms, the sort of places
that she's going. Sometimes I recognize it as being like
a pure example of whatever emotion that is.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Like Who's afraid of Little Old Me?

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Is pure anger channeled into this like big pop song,
which is like again, like I think, spiritually a sequel
to reputation in a really fun way. And I I
also think there's like some question about like how seriously
she takes herself as like a tortured poet. Remember guys
that she's like the biggest and best pop star in

(17:11):
the world, and she's incredibly good at putting on these
different costumes, she in fact knows they are eras well
enough to brand it that way. So she is wearing
a costume as this tortured poet. She went through something,
saw what the body of work was giving and said,
this is like tortured poetry, and I see an aesthetic there.
So that to me is all fun and specific and great.

(17:34):
And she does seem in control of it me in
a complete way.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
And some people seem to really bristle at this theory,
and I kind of have like some weariness around it.
But like if like the asylum imagery motif in this
is connecting to like a manic episode, which like a
lot of people really like have sensitivities around that word
totally of course, so valid, But I I like that

(18:00):
lens too of like, oh, yeah, this relationship you were
in for six seven years is over as you're on
the highest grossing tour of all time right while you're
dating this like really chaotic person. Like all of these
things are like shrapnel in the explosion. Yeah you know

(18:22):
what I mean? Yes, And I also think she has
always in fact, it's been like the bit about her,
like she puts her relationships into her music, right, and
so that's like a way that she funnels her emotion.
And so the fact that she had this one relationship
that has defined a lot of her music from probably
the past better part of a decade ending and this

(18:45):
other one starting and being so crazy like that insanity
and like I said that messiness, and I say that
in a good way, like this was always gonna be
the kind of album that she made at this time. Huh.
The fact that it feels like a little whatever quote
unquote unedited, I think is good and interesting and exciting
me too. I'm sure people will listen to this and

(19:07):
it'll come off as us like quote unquote defending her.
I don't really feel that she doesn't. She doesn't need
defense or protection really, and what she has done that
I think is forever like defining her career, which is
like crazy to think about it this way. She's like

(19:27):
really and I say this like genuinely, like this is genius,
Like she did something that not a lot of artists
have done, which is with the Eras tour when she
announced that concept, like it was so revolutionary, but it was.
It's just like she destroys the binary between like new
work old work because it's like you're touring artist. Let's

(19:51):
say you're McCartney. You go out with your new album,
people still want to hear you sing like Backbird, you know,
like they want you to play the hits. This is
someone who like the legacy stuff and the new stuff
is on the same level. Like that hasn't really ever happened.
I mean, like in my memory, my myopic, small limited scope,

(20:13):
like that hasn't happened before. Like an artist who like
fucking changes the paradigm so completely. And I think going forward,
I don't know what she does except for recontextualize all
of the stuff that comes before. I think, whatever she
does going forward, And I'm so interested to see what
twelve and thirteen are albums twelve and thirteen are because

(20:35):
it's like, up until thirteen, is it gonna be like
just And I hope it's not, because there is a
danger to this. I hope it's not pure navel gazy.
I hope it's not pure like let's look at what
I've done, even though she's allowed to do that because
she is so prolific that way. But I'm like, my
gut is telling me this is her album of like
let me just get all of the retrospection out of

(20:57):
the way. Yeah, and then twelve is going to be
something interesting, I hope, I'm sure. And thirteen is gonna
be oh, whatever it is, it's gonna be huge and
studio symbolic. It's gonna represent something. The obvious thing to
me seems to be like it'll be like country, pure
country again when that like quote unquote trend is maybe

(21:17):
like done with the other girlies, like she will return
to that and like claim it as hers or something.
But yeah, I mean like in some ways this is
reminding me of reputation when people were like she's over exposed,
like there is that fatigue setting in which, you know,
I think she also saw coming where it's like she
might as well like ride that wave and like put

(21:40):
out something that will be polarizing and divisive and people
will have opinions about. Yeah. I think it was surprising
that it was coming now, of course, because it really
feels like a fall album and you know what I mean,
like and it kind of feels like it would be
in line with the stuff that she is, you know,
famously and historically released in the Fall, and it doesn't
feel like it's giving summer, So maybe that is some

(22:02):
of like the polarized reaction is just people like not
necessarily being in the mood for what they certainly will
be in the mood for when they have their little
hot Coco in there. This is gonna fucking hit kN October.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
It really is, And I feel like the reason why
it's coming now in April is because they had to
probably add it to the tour. I would imagine that
we're getting serious cuts to the Era's tour and they're
gonna give a whole tortured poet section at the end,
and like She's gonna go in. We're probably getting seven

(22:35):
songs and we'll talk about like specifically what might be
fun to see because I go back and forth, like
literally I yesterday I tried to make like a playlist,
like if I were to narrow down the album, you
know what I mean, Like even doing that, like my
playlist just this album was still over twenty two to
twenty three songs ago. There's not that much here. There's

(22:57):
not as much chap as people are saying, not at all.
And if there are those songs that you think are
on that short list, listen to them again. Because even
if it might not hit at first, Like there's really
interesting lyrical stuff happening here, and like I just think
that it's better than you think. And I think we're
kind of like tripping ourselves up by being overwhelmed. People

(23:21):
have been so defensive about their reaction to this album,
Like I've had more than one person come to me
and be like, I haven't gotten through it yet.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
I just feel like it's a lot. I'm like, babe,
I don't care if you like it or don't like
but there is this preciousness and this like you know,
panic about reacting to this album and like arriving at
a take, which is like not why we have music.
There's a metatake on it for people to write. There's
like I have a take on my take, yes, which

(23:50):
is so interesting. Maybe we're like doing that right now too.
You know. I literally got tripped up last night because
I was like, oh God, like I can't then I
was our episode about tortured poets, like what are we
gonna say? And I'm like, wait, hold on, slow your
role for a second. Music. It's music, and it's fucking
great music.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
And I think like these bizarre like sprints to the
take are not gonna work on something like this and
you're gonna look back on your take or your work
and you're gonna be like hmmm. I reacted to that quickly,
like it happens with her all the time, like Pitchfork,
And I did think that that review did make some points,

(24:27):
but I thought it was about a point too low
or a point and a half too low in terms
of the score, because we have yet again with her,
like they in particular have done many times, because they
retroactively rate her.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Hire a lot. Yeah, they interroactively rate everyone a lot higher. Yes,
And I feel like we in the race to have
a take or try to figure out this album, you're
actually doing a disservice to a lot of the work here,
because while again I think there are some points to
be made about, like it might be interesting to see
her work with someone outside of Jack and Aron next time.

(25:02):
Like I do agree that any artist should have a
period where they go off and reconfigure and like start
working with new people, and I think it is revitalizing.
We remember when Beyonce took time off before four and
came back as a new artist. You know, that's like
exciting and that's an opportunity. So I think there is

(25:22):
some stuff in the criticism here that's potential to listen to.
When I say that as a huge fan of not
only just Taylor but also Jack and Aaron, So I
think there is something there. But it is the Internet culture, yeah,
and that's nobody's fault, except like the culture of spreading
to a take with everything, and you know that's nothing new. Yeah,

(25:45):
I don't know. It's reminding me of Reputation a lot,
where there were just these god like so many informational
pieces about like what's this lyric mean? And in the
end that stuff doesn't really matter. And I'm not saying
I'm like inoculated from like what everyone else is thinking
and feeling, but like, I don't really care what song

(26:06):
is about Maddie and what song is about Joe. I'm
kind of like I don't care about that at all,
and neither does any of her fans. Like when you
go to the aristour like and you look around and
you see someone living their fucking life singing all too well,
they're not thinking about how that's about Jake Jillnhull. They're
thinking about how it applies to their life, which is
I guess why I'm saying, like, start listening to her
music as if you're the protagonist and try to apply

(26:29):
it to your own life instead of like falling down
a cliff trying to like figure out what it means
for her. It doesn't need to be that. She's always
been the best.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Communicator in pop music songwriting because she can communicate.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
What you are feeling, what her audience is feeling, and
that's still here. I think this album has some of
her best songwriting. And I also agree that it is superfluous,
like any other thing, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
like any other of her albums, And I think she
understands that on some level, it's okay not to like

(27:04):
tie it back to my work. But it's like it's
like when everyone's like snalos'm and goods and blah blah blah.
If you go back and pick any episode from any season,
it's like watch one episode. There's some great sketches, there's
some bad sketches, there are some mid sketches. That's just
how it works, because why we have to fill out
an hour and a half of television, right that is

(27:25):
like part of the production and like and but you're
thinking Oh it's Taylor Stow. She can make any album
any links to what she wants totally. But like I'm saying,
I think she wanted to get to thirty one. Yeah,
because it is, you know, neatly this subverted, reversed thing
that like we know, we think we're so familiarized with
something about her, and yet she is telling us that,

(27:47):
like and maybe she's inverting it because it's like this
is probably the most internally mainlined album she's ever put out.
Yeah too, you know that she's her insides are out.
Literally some of the.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Lines, I'm like so shook by that sounded so fucking basic,
but like what I guess what I mean is like
what if he's written mine on my upper thigh only
in my mind? Like Guilty of Sin Is, I think
my favorite song on the album, and I'm gonna say
this out into the atmosphere.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
This must be in the tour. Okay, Guiltiest sin Is.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I think some of her best writing and specific like
that thing of when you've already been romantic intimate with
someone to like an embarrassing degree, to an emotional degree,
because you know that's where it's headed, like.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
That your mind has got ahead of itself, has got
ahead of reality. Yeah, there's just not a lot of
songs that can like not only spell out that specific feeling,
but then like really it takes you on a ride
that song. And I love the type of song that is.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I made a list of, like I guess, like all
my favorite songs in order, and the stuff that rises
to the top for me is this like nineties like
rock moment, like but Daddy, I love him. I think
the chicks would be proud of that, you know what
I mean, Like Guiltiest Sin incredible, like so high school, Oh,
so high School's amazing. I love the Black Dog so much.

(29:17):
I love that starting line reference made me scream.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
We watched it.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Who listened to it together? And also God blessed the
starting line And they're streaming numbers now they just pop
all the way off and they're thankful. Yeah, I mean,
but that's like old habits die screaming, Like come on,
I don't know like this, don't talk to me about
how she's Some of these articles were like fun to read,
I guess, Like the paste article I thought was fun to.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Read, you know what I mean, Like I thought the
pork thing.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
It was brutal, but like I was reading it as
if like, this is this person popping off, not like I, yeah,
I necessarily agreed. I was just like, oh, this is
content about this album that I find entertaining. I'm sure
you know Taylor read it and had a different perspective,
but I was like, yeah, interesting and so intense unproving
that she's like lost it or flopped on this album.

(30:07):
And they basically did the equivalent of like screenshotting the
quote unquote cringe lyrics and putting them in highlight.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
But I was gonna be my I don't think so, honey, Yes,
and it should be.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, But I was just like, this article deliberately ignores
so much of the excellent work here, and that's really
just a testament to how fucking high level of quality
she always delivers. That people can literally with a com
go through and pull out lyrics and like try to,
you know, sniper rifle find where she's maybe slipped up,

(30:36):
Like I'm sorry, but she hasn't. Over twenty of these
are genius.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
What's like that is like the definition of like removing
context from something right, Like I also, I kind of
my eye just skims over in any review for any album. Yeah,
like when they reference the lyrics, I understand, like journalistically,
that's like what you're supposed to do. But I'm like,
if I read a song lyric no matter what, no
matter who it's by, I'm gonna be like, that sounds stupid. Yeah,

(31:01):
you know you know what I mean. Even poetry, if
it's like if the line breaks, if it's not formatted
the way that like the poet intended, I'm like, yeah,
well that's dumb. That sounds stupid as fuck. But yeah,
I mean I get why it's done. And I do
love the memes of people like taking the genius you
know Instagram post graphing their own lyrics onto it, for sure.
But sometimes when people are like why is she talking

(31:22):
about Grand Theft Daughto, It's like, okay, oh give me
a break, it's just on line. Just just listen to
the song. The article is about being like in a
high school mentality, touch me while your bros played Grand
Theft Auto. But you loved that line when we heard it,
Like it's like I appreciate that she wrote a song
for len me. Yeah, I mean what American pie Grand
Theft daughta. Yeah. Oh this is also six is coming

(31:44):
out soon anyway, so just wait a year and then
you're gonna fucking love it. This is what I'm gonna
say when that article is like an album that will
single handedly set poetry back like by existing, Like, first
of all, shut the fuck up, because she is again,
I'm a pop star who is doing this tortured poet
thing like it's a pop star era. It's a character.

(32:05):
It's like a character. It's not like she doesn't actually
consider herself a tortured poet.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Like she even said like I'm not Patti Smith, You're
not Dylan Thomas in torture Poet's the song like this
isn't the Chelsea Hotel, Like it's not.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Actually that deep.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
It's just a way for her to commit to an
aesthetic that matches the sound and the tone of what
she's doing.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
So what I would say is like touch grass. If
that's what your takeaway is, don't worry. Poetry is okay.
Taylor Swift is not destroying or setting back poetry. It's
that kind of like hyperbolic commentary on this type of thing,
which a is just too fast, too soon, and also

(32:49):
be like you know, that's not what is happening here,
Like you the writer know she's not setting poetry back
with this. It's a pop music album. Do we want
to look at tracks highlight?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
I mean, let me just say down bad crying at
the gym when she fucked that alien. I said, this
was I already have a music.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Video in my head for this. I really hope she'd
makes the video with this. I love want tout an
alien abduction.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Uh, she got abducted by this alien, sent back and
now she's down back, crying at the gym, fucking icing
her injuries.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Like my first couple listens, I was like, oh, she's
talking about an X. I was like, oh okay, like
did you beat me up? Like okay, great, But then
like that line of like they'll think I'm nuts if
I like talk about your existence Like I'm like, oh
of course, Like it's yeah, I love that. It's like
post breakup depression grafted onto like being abducted by aliens

(33:56):
and also something that like didn't happen for our long time.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
It's like this experience, it's more it's less a relationship
she had and more of an experience that she had
in an emotion that she feels as a result of
it like have don't we all had that metaphor, he
had that metaphor of like oh God.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
It felt like I was like wraps her up into
the sky. I mean, that's what the cosmic thing of
it is. And I do think a lot of this
also speaks to Ariana's album, like like Ariana's album is
about that experience too, of like reeling outside of something
and then entering something else. And I also think it's
the miracle move on drug. Yes, there's a lot going
on here, even a lot of the visuals. It feels

(34:34):
like there was like some like mindedness in a good way.
But when I first listened through Down Dad was just.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
It popped out to me because it's Taylor, and I
think that there's not a lot of Taylor on this album,
and after Eras when it was extremely Taylor, like to
get so much Taylor hard or tailor like feels maybe
not we wanted her expected, but it kind of is
what I wanted and expected. Yet there are things like

(35:04):
down Bad where she goes fucket a fuck can't have him,
or I can be like a little bitch walking the
streets and like you know, might shake my Tayla asks
you know what I mean people saying that there's not
a lot of opportunities to shake your ass like Tayla
on this album, Like, just do another listen through because
down Bad is here for you. Like you know, there's moments,

(35:26):
it's just it's a more like it's balance, and that's
just what it is. She gave you nineties v H
one woman, It's it's quill Pen, Fountain Pen, Taylor. I
don't think we've ever done the one to one on Tayla.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Taylor taylora every now and then with what she has
parsed out herself as I have songs that are quill Pen,
glittergel Pen. Yeah, fountain Pen and glitter jel Pen obviously
is Taylor or Tayla. I'm so sorry, Oh my god, Wow,
I can't believe they got that wrong. And it's a
little bit murkier when you go into quill pen found

(36:01):
Pen territory. But both of those kind of combined to
form Taylor. Yeah again, Taylor knows about Taylor Taylor.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
She now knows, and so that's why she approached this
album the way she did as a result of your
interaction with her.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I know you love the Albatross I love the Albatross
so much. When I first saw this as a track,
this is supposed to be one of the bonus tracks
on the original album, I was like, Oh, is this
a Fluwood Mac reference? Because before Stevie and Lindsay joined,
Fleetwood Mac has an instrumental song called Albatross and Baby

(36:38):
put it on before you go to bed. It is
gonna send you to Dreamland. It's gonna put you on
the little barge to Dreamland and then push you down
the river. Such a beautiful and enchanting song. I thought
it would be referenced to that. It wasn't. I was shocked, delighted.
It's a really beautiful song. I think this has her
best lyrics.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
I think not only would I comment lyrics, can I
agree with you? It's like among her better lyrics, but.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Her vocal on this is really good, Like the Albatross
has some incredible backing vocals like this is what I'm
saying is it's like you can't appreciate the texture of
all of this reacting quickly to an album this long

(37:22):
and this vast, because you need to have a take, like,
actually listen to what's going on here, Like the Albatross
has just incredible stuff happening lyrically, sonically, like this is
I think, by far one of the best. Like I
made this list last night. It's one, two, three, four,
five on my list. Great, it's ranked.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I have Guilty of Sin number one, but Daddy I
Love Him number two, down Bad number three, the black
Dog number four, Albatross number five, so high School number six,
Fresh Out the Slammer I love.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
I love Rush Out the Slammer because she gave you
a little bit of this fresh other slammer. And I said,
thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Taylor for showing up, because you're welcome here always Taylor. Yes,
and then I have Fortnite, which grew on me, Thank you, Amy,
and Love of my Life.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Those are my top ten love. I have not taken
it upon myself to rank, and that's what makes this album.
So choose your own adventure. Yes.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
And by the way, this playlist that I made is
called this is what I personally believe, and.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
I will share a public is the Matt Rogers catchphrase.
That's the essence in one sense. Honestly, this could be
the album title. This is what I personally believe.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Maybe that's my next album is called this is what
I personally believe, and it's tortured Poets Coded, and that's the.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Title of this episode. This is what I personally believe.
What do you think of thank you Amy? And the
capitalization of K, I and AM as letters. I love
capitalizing on those letters. I think that Taylor this is
a sign of Taylor being fully of like the reason
why everyone's like, why is she still you know, relitigating

(38:58):
this or digging this up again? Because I think it
is purely retrospective, right. I think she's looking back at
like the whole story of Taylor Swift because it's been
motivated by the Ariostour. I think she's looking back on
a lot of the things that have defined her career
so far, and she's going, let me actually leave this behind.

(39:19):
That's where thirty one comes in, you know, like, let
me actually like subvert this move on the chapter is closed.
Like I believe her when she says that. I think
it's a great song. I love Cassandra, which is kind
of also spiritually in the same world of like this
person's been wrong, Cassandra of Troy, nobody would listen to
her and the albatross who speaks to that, like I

(39:40):
have been so maligned and so labeled as these things
like you coming into proximity with me puts you in danger,
and all the warnings that could possibly come your way
that you ignore them shows true love for me. Yes,
I mean that's great, that's great. There's a lot going
on in that song. I think there are a lot

(40:00):
of ways that it can be read. Yeah, totally, and
but wise men one said wild Winds or Death to
the Candle, that's your opening line, bitch, don't talk to
me about bad songwriting, like you sound so stupid, like
I'm so sorry, but like, do not tell me bad
songwriting when these are the lyrics like get out of
town wild Winds. I believe that is a Romantics era

(40:24):
poet Tree reference right of like Transcendentalism, Like I'm getting
my shit mixed up. But it's like nature being sublime,
nature like you are powerless to it, like death to
the candle, like it is snuffing out this man made thing.
Like there's something about her art which is sublime, which

(40:47):
is like bigger than her, bigger than us, you know,
Like she's saying that like she she is a wild
wind and like people want to like cage that people
want to contain that people fear it because they don't
know it, because it's it has this inexplicable effect. I
think this album is like it doesn't talk about things

(41:07):
beyond her, and that's okay because I think it is
like her reckoning with like what she means, what her
life has been, what she wants it to be going forward.
And I think it's like I think Clara Beau is
such a beautiful closer because it's like, this is what
my legacy means, and someone someday will always like people
will always try to like build on it and then

(41:28):
maybe erase it and be like, oh, here's someone new
who reminds us of her but is better. It's like
a very bittersweet song. It's a little bittersweet, Like it's
like that idea.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
That like you could be the one, and then when
that happens, it like comes with all these contradictions and
all these crazy things and like ultimately an ego check
at the end, you know what I mean. That's like
and I think that's why it's really fitting that that
song is last on the first album, because what I
love about this and the writing and why I do

(41:59):
think at some of the boldest writing she's done is
because she is not afraid to look crazy, like she
is not afraid to look like the biggest version of
all of her emotions. I think, thank you, Amy. The
capitalizing of Cam is vindictive as fuck. And I think
it's because she's a little vindictive. Yeah, and she is

(42:20):
really out here being that, So you being like, ugh,
she's vindictive, like for that. She knows that, you know
what I mean, Like, she gets it. She wrote the song,
she felt the emotion, she put it out there for everyone.
It wasn't a mistake to capitalize it, ki Am. I
mean she's feeling vindictive. She feels very hurt still from
that person trying to let me remind everyone destroy her

(42:43):
completely and take away her credibility. So the fact that
she turned that into what that song is, which is
when you take away all the battles and mussles and
all the headlines about it, it's a song about thanking
your bully for making you better, and that that is
gonna connect with her fans, with people that have experienced

(43:04):
that in the past, are experiencing it. She is who
she has always been, but an extremely elevated and still
ever challenging version of that, and I think that that's
fucking great.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
And like I said, I think it's good that this
is polarizing.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
I think it's good that not every single piece that
she ever puts out is like a ten out of
ten five stars, like in terms of the way that
it's received, because that would not be good for her
or for us.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
I mean, I think she knew. It doesn't matter what
she knew or knows. I think there's no way this
album is like universally acclaimed.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
No way, because it is like all these things, and
I'm just it is too long, it is too verbos,
it is to this, to that, too much of the same,
too much of this that the other thing. Like this's
gonna be so many things people can say about this
and different angles people can take. That's sort of just
don't get to the heart of it, which is that
the music is fucking great.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Internet seems to not care for the alchemy. It's like
my favorite.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I think the alchemy is romantic and fun and uzzy
and big and beautiful and gorgeous. And I think if
the lyrics are a little on the nose, that's fucking
great because it's someone being like, after all this noise
and all this like challenge and all this chaos.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
I'm just gonna tell you my boyfriend who plays football,
touch down, ultimately, touchdown, Ultimately touchdown. It's actually a real culture.
Number eighty eight ultimately touchdown, touch down. Call the amate jersey,
come from the team, the clowns, take the cram. Baby,

(44:44):
I want to be Oh my god, I don't know.
It's so, it's adorable, it's great.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
I love it, And can I shout out one of
my favorite songs that's been sneaky And this is why
you have to keep going, be patient with the album
and like, listen to the miss songs. I look in
People's windows.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Oh, I love that. Love this song. She's like again,
like she's not hiding from the fact that she's a
fucking freak obsessed, you know, Like the shortest song on
the album. Yeah, who can't relate. I guess people that
are insane, but like, there have been times after I've
had things dissolve where I've literally looked for that person,
like and I mean, what if you looked up and

(45:22):
we locked eyes one more time? Like that thing of
like I need to stay vigilant because it's not dead
for me. And I'm holding on to hope that it's
not dead for you for that one moment, like and
it's worth it for me to like put all this
energy and be this freak and look peer in from
the insides for that one moment and the urgency in

(45:44):
that song I love. I love that it abruptly ends,
almost like she's embarrassed about sharing the thought, like I
love it. It evokes this thing that you thought different
for her with such a personal corner, and it's it's
kind of not it's kind of universalized in this huge
album that like yeah, everyone's heard and like yeah, I mean,

(46:06):
I don't really care that it's a numbers ploy that
like thirty one so that I could have like the
biggest streaming debut and that the sales equivalences or the
streaming equivalences to unit sales whatever, blah blah blah blah.
I like the business side is something that like I
also am like for some reason tuning out. For me,
it's just like listen to the songs because if you do,

(46:31):
you'll get a song like but Daddy, I love him,
and you'll get to enjoy it because it sounds fucking
great and it's a lot of fun and also you'll
realize like it is actually incredibly risky for her to
say fuck off to her own fans. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
It's like that to me is when the album, like
when I was first listening to it, when the album
really took off from me, was track six, But Daddy,
I Love Him.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
I will say.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
When I first started listening to the album, Fortnite took
a second for me. I was like, I know, I
feel like I know in my heart this is going
to be the single, So let me try to wrap
my head around that. The song has grown on.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Me so much. I'm struggling a little bit with Tortured
Poet's Department. The song like, to me, it's just a
little like I don't get it yet.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
But then right after that, like the album like really
ticks off from me, and by the time but Daddy
I Love Him was happening, I was like, this feels
like like a like a spiritual successor to like read
and like all too well, like the fact that it's
like over five minutes long and it's like this like
epic narrative and it being that long and containing so

(47:37):
much like anger towards people who like, quote unquote want
the best for her but could never actually understand her.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
I think that also speaks to we can't be friends.
On Ariana's album, I think these girls are reckoning with
the fact that people that they love and appreciate are
driving them fucking nuts.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Well, it's it's now becoming a somewhat phenomenon, somewhat of
a phenomenon where it's like you have Doja openly violently
being like, fuck my girls, and it's like, like the
girl Like I think like this, like this is when
stand culture starts to like evolve into a new stage

(48:21):
where like maybe it's unhealthy for everyone, yes, like including
the stands, including the people they like worship. It's like
if someone and I'm not gonna name names, but there
are people out there who fully embrace the fans. Yeah.
And pathology, Yeah, there's pathology. Like it's not great if

(48:41):
you are out there completely embracing all of the mania
in that. Yeah, if you're inviting more mania into your
life because it is mania. Yeah. And yeah, it's perfect blue.
It's perfect blue, and it's actually really culture number three. Uh,
it's perfect blue. And I also think like it's a

(49:02):
message to people like, listen, if I'm going to fuck up,
just let me fuck up. Just let me do it,
because because there's actually like there's no way, yeah, that
I'm gonna stop living my life for everyone, and you
wouldn't really want that, Like who would want their favorite
artists to not live their fucking life and make mistakes

(49:25):
and like be able to be the messy fucking version. Right,
it's not Twitch Place Pokemon. I was just gonna say,
you know what I'm talking about, Yeah, oh yeah, were
you following Twitch Place Pokemon. This is when Twitch literally
first started first started out whereas everyone was inputting, it
was like millions of people inputting like up, down, ab left, right, yes,

(49:49):
a game of Pokemon red or Pokemon Blue, and then
somehow they got all the way to the end. But
it was it was like your character is kind of
like walking up and down and like dying, like remember this.
It was like by committee. You cannot do this. You
cannot live a life by not live a life by committee.
And that's real coachure number ten. You cannot live a

(50:10):
life by committee. It'll end up being Madam web. It'll
end up being Madam Webb. I didn't see it oh
you should. It's so good.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
No, that invalidates everything we've ever said. Madam Web is
the best film of the year, Last calls, canceled, Awards
taken away, oh my god, trophies, stripped of our trophies.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Oh my god. I would love to ultimately one day
my awards taken away from me, stripped of my trophy.
That I think is such a Chikh phrase. They were
stripped of their trophies. I think Taylor wants that too.
I think Taylor secretly wants is pining for a scene,
just for the cinema of it to be like no, don't,
but donny, I love it well, like literally, like we're

(50:50):
taking your Grammys away, No, all five hundred of them.
What would she have to do to have her Grammys
taken away? I don't know, I mean she, I don't know.
What would she have to do.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
She has to come out as the reason why there
are natural disasters? Right, yeah, hey, I've ever heard of hurricanes?
That was me when I pointed at the crowd and
sow pallo, right.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I I was thinking more something along the lines of
like the Recording Academy, like she you know, like she
does some equivalent of the slap she did the slap,
she certainly would have come out, would not have been
invited to come out of Coachella. Oh God, here we go,
Here we go. Smith's back, y'all. This is it's an

(51:34):
excellent album. We love it and of course we do
because it's good, because it's good. And but if you
had to tweet that one viral congratulations, congratulations on your
contribution show. No.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
I love tweets, I love Twitter. I think I think
that it's great. I'm so sorry, ze it's X.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
I forgot. I think it's great. I think it's I
think it's worthy. Well, they're supposed to be because it's
it's it's there's zeats, it's it's X. I'm sorry. But
if you're calling Twitter called posts, now, no, they're called zeats.
And I don't make the rules. I just say the rules. Now.
I want baked zeats, okay, I want big seats too,

(52:14):
and wash out the slimmer ah no whom lovers call
it beats. Mussy will be to my big ZD place
as promised, we are here to talk about twenty thirteen,

(52:37):
a cultural excavation. Thank you for making it all the
way here. If you don't care for Taylor. If you
don't care for the album and you're still listening, Bravo,
brava to you. Oh can I just say I did
a Berri's Oatly class on Monday. So many readers Katie's
publicist finalists, including Lindsay Clayton, who fucking rocks. I have

(52:59):
to say, I see you readers at Barry's. And if
you are a reader at Barry's, oh, you actually are
a Kyle. That's how k this is men or women.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
If you are a reader, publicist, Katie finalist and you
regularly go to Barry's, you're a Kyle.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
You're a Kyle. It doesn't matter male, female, non binary,
You're Kyle Kyle and as we know, the most famous Kyle. Wait,
we actually have this conversation. This is a fun thing
to ask you who is the most famous Kyle. I
know you think Richards.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
I didn't necessarily say that. What I'm asking you what
you think who is the most famous Kyle x Y.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Period.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
I can't argue with that one, but you think it's Richards.
So there seems to be like a discussion who's more
famous certain gig group chats.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I think a one that I'm in. Okay, Kyle Richards,
Kyle McLaughlin and Kyle Chandler seem to be the three.
Kyle McLachlan, you think Kyle McLaughlin is more famous, like
in terms of people know that his name. Yes, then
Kyle Richards, Yes, I think it's demographic. I think it's
I think and it's very that guy famous, like, oh

(54:08):
I know that guy.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
He was in the original Dude, yell at me, Oh my,
not yell at me. Do not raise your voice in
the way that you just did ever again. You're you'll
be going to the slammer fresh in.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
The slammer first, zed see it is? You think they
have Z Why are we so good? Okay? So you
think Colmain? Okay, Queen, how do we how do we
get into Kyle? If you were there and you will understand,

(54:51):
we had all these bits planned and we did most
of them. I was you never got your almond suit.
I never got my almonds suit. I was gonna beat
up someone in an almond costume at the Barris class
because it was an oatly spot sort of that. But
I was stupid, bitch. It wouldn't have worked. There was
not in a space people were on the floor. It
would have been dangerous. I got a few jokes and
I was like, oh wait, this is not It's hard

(55:12):
to like do bits while there's a fitness class going on.
Can I just say, hey, we actually have.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
To move you from D twenty nine because Bowen needs
that space because he's gonna do a bit where he fights.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Yeah, someone in an amendcost, but they were they were
prepared to like go all out and like do whatever.
I was like, no, I think people want to come
for a class. So I like ran on the treadmill
for like two minutes, and then I was so out
of breath that like my brain was like, we're you're
not performing right now. You're you're You're actually gonna like
not do that. And then when I tried to everything

(55:41):
that came out of my mouth made no sense. When
Lindsay threw it over to me, like Bowen, what do
you think? I was like, how am I doing? Like
it was? I was truly so not myself. I felt
like Grimes at Coachelle. I was like, everything's going wrong.
I'm bad Crimes Coachell. I felt like crimes that coach. Wow,
So thank you for coming and thank you for being

(56:03):
patient with me that it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
I saw some people that I follow were in your class,
and as someone said that immediately when the class started,
you said, this first sprint is going to be at twenty,
which I think is iconic.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
I love it. But this one finalist, Kyle yeah sprinting
at a fourteen. Jeez, I can't believe the most lives
on his twelve. Most I've done his ten fourteen is
but this guy also had redwood tree legs, tall, tall
motherfucker and he was Taylor Swift or Travis Kelceer, Travis Kelsey.

(56:36):
He was a full Kyle, full on and if you're
a Kyle out there, keep running. Hey, Kyle, push it
to fourteen. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
This is for the girlies who go to Berri's and
instead of was in into the music and the instructure,
they pop in Lost Coach. They want to hear torture,
poets discourse. Okay, and when we start to hit a
really good take, they pressed fourteen. Let's talk about twenty thirteen.
We needed an episode like this. In person, I would

(57:08):
say even to talk about this year, it's a big one.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
This is one of the most major years. I think
we're gonna end on music, because the music is major.
I think let's start with film.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
You know, in starting with film, what you're gonna find
is that this was the year of Frozen. And can
I let me just talk about this for a second.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Do you remember And this is again why this is
a valid worthy segment because we relate it to our lives.
Frozen came out and Papa Roulette did a Frozen sketch.
What was the Frozen sketch?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
It was literally like the Frozen sketch was Amanda was
playing Anna and Tessa was playing Elsa. And Elsa was like,
I have powers of snow.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
And Amanda was like, you're a lesbian. Oh, and I
feel like it was ahead of its time. It was
and it was very like she was, It's just very
like with winds, I can create fractals. And it's like,
I think that you're having a crisis and you're a
lesbian and if you're a lesbian, you can just say
that we can We're we're a good girl.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yeah. She's like, no, I have to leave.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Town and create a new house some ice and snow.
She's like, I feel like you are going through it
huh like that was kind of the engine of the sketch.
And I remember it played to silence, not because it
wasn't funny because rhyme, but because no one knew Frozen yet,
because people forget Frozen was one of the slowest burden.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
It was a slow bird in history because it might
as well have been a fucking rustic book report the
way you were like trying to burn the pages at
the stove at the fireplace. Slow. It was the Pirates
of Caribbean. Uh huh, of that's a slow bird. That
ride is a slow bird. That ride could take upwards

(58:54):
if they're a half hour. Sometimes if the boats aren't
going quick, you'll be sitting with the pirates for a
really long time. Oh yeah, I hope you like Yoho Ho.
Hope you like Yoho Ho and a woman chasing a
pirate around with a rolling pin. Yeah, I hope you
like girl Boss energy because we're sitting on pirates and
Frozen is the beginning of girl Boss. Where were you

(59:14):
when you first heard the amazing song Let It Go?
I was with you. I think I think we went
to go see it together. We did.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I saw it with gay guys. I saw it with kids,
and then I saw it with the general public on
a plane.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
And what was your favorite viewing experience? Well, the gay
guys okay, a us huh, we saw it. I think
like the first week it came out, can we people
were not gagged. I left the theater being like that
was okay. Yeah, Well, you're famously a tangled entangled girl
through Yeah, I'm a frozen girl. You have else the
hair period period.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
I'm definitely also coated, which is tough for me as
the Hona of our friendship.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
I know I was gonna say, I feel like we've
always been. You've been the Hona. I'm still the ana.
Uh huh, guy, Say a rose any other thorn? A
rose by any other bud? What is the name? A
rose by any other name? I like as any other thorn.
I mean, Frozen is ten things they hate about you
the musical. Say that again. Frozen is ten things they

(01:00:14):
hate about you the musical one more time. Frozen is
Taming of the Shrew of the musical.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
There you go, and that's real culture. Frozen one number forty.
Frozen is the show of the music.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
It's like, you can't date until your sister does, right, Yeah,
you're dead ass. I'm dead ass.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
I'll never forget how happy I was for Aunta when
the gates finally opens.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Uh huh. When she sang finally they're opening up the gates,
I said, is that the song it's called for? The
finally they are? I'm so happy girl. I'm gonna shake
my ass and sit on some visiting dick. That's what
Anna said. Anna said, I'm so happy that I get

(01:00:58):
to see some dick. We had kinds of dick coming
into Erindale. Open up the goal, Open up the gates.
Frozen became the second animated film after Toy Story three
to gross one billion dollars and became the highest grossing
animated film at release. Congrats congrats to her. I think
Frozen two beat that record. Later Frozen did suck, although

(01:01:21):
I will say you'd had some bops. Still haven't seen,
Still haven't seen. Top grossing film Frozen internationally, iron Man three, Domestic,
Who Cares? Okay? Best Picture Oscar twelve years of Slave
nine nominations. This was the beginning of Lupida. Yes. The
Best Picture win made McQueen the first black British producer
to ever received the award, and the first black British

(01:01:42):
director of a Best Picture winner. Okay, let's look at it,
because Okay, there are these handy tables now on some
of these that I think we should be bringing to
the rest of the years that we do. Toy was
a slave. I'm seeing a lot of American hustle. Gravity.
I was with you. Did we see gravity together? I
believe we did. I love gravity. I love gravity so much.
I think at the ending all the time, I never
want to see that movie again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
I don't think I could sit through it one more time.
And it's so funny to me, Like sometimes I will
catch people watching gravity on a plane. Why any movie
about an air disaster on a plane? I just want
to know what that person's like lifestyle is, Like what
got them to this point where they are okay and
can spiritually and physically maintain composure? When you're watching shit
explode in the air and a woman carene through space?

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Is it like when I'm eating my lunch and I'm
watching YouTube of a recipe of another dish, I think,
so okay, but it's not as dangerous. It's not as
dangerous like when people watch that shit in the air.
I'm like, what is going on. Maybe it comforts them
because they're like, well, it can't be as bad as this.
Of course, I'm gagged for this Keanu Reeves movie that

(01:02:47):
he's making, which is why it's called The Entertainment System
Is Down. It's it's a fucking thriller on a plane,
and like chaos ensues when the entertainment system on the
plane goes down, no one can watch movies and everyone
goes crazy. Wow, isn't that a great And that's like
and it's like an actual grounded But I think it's action.
I think it's like it's like a stake's on a
plane thing. I love the title. It's called the Entertainment

(01:03:09):
System Is Down. Oh I love Isn't that great?

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
That's really good because that would be use for serious
concern I would jump into action.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Probably made by Boeing. Okay, this was so Dallas. This
was the maconnaissance. This isis this was the one we
were in the heart of the mconnaissance. I suppose it
was Dallas Buyer's Club. It was True Detective, it was Interstellar.
There was that period Lincoln Lawyer. Yeah, yeah, I think

(01:03:39):
that's one. Yeah, us not lost coach talking about Lincoln.
I know, know, and let's keep going blue jazzmine Okay, Lynchet.
This was the iconic moment of Jennifer Lawrence falling at
the Oscars, a moment that was nominated at the Lost
Culture Words.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Yes, Jennifer most shocking moment, the most shocking moment in
his She went down, our girl down, but she got
up and won. Not only does she get up, she
got up and she won and she won. Honey, remember
when One Direction was a band? I do, so does
everyone in twenty thirteen, because guess what was the best
selling album of twenty thirteen, Midnight Memory Midnight Memories by

(01:04:19):
One Direction. Name one song from it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
So we danced on that to the best song ever?
Oh wow, that's actually good. You could do that. Yeah,
Lost Culture is this culture?

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
I definitely remember at least three other songs in One Direction,
such as they want to Steal Maga remember that one
and also even when the night changes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
This is the story of my life, This is love,
story of my Little Black Dress is great. That Little
Black Dress is like a fucking third night blind song.
You think this way the fuck just just did in
the room? Did it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Did it? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
This is actually a great name. What's the what is
the that's one direction, there's one that's some I like,
what is that? You're gonna have to do better than that? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
You know you guys know listening in the car wherever
you are, you know the one direction starts like this,
brownounound bound bound pound girl.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
You can come on, he was a kid. No, don't
throw me off, girl, I don't want to say yeah, yeah,
hold on and let me kiss you. There it is,
I got it you guys. I just threw myself across

(01:05:43):
the room. No, but you were I think you were
mixing two different songs up kiss you and like I
never thought it's so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
No, you literally gave me a hot at tag. I'm
telling you no, Brown, let me here. I'm literally going
to show you how right I am. And I think
I'm even in key.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Darcy Cardon is livid right now that we don't know this.
Kiss you one direct? No, I know, kiss you Okay, ready,
I'm sorry, but did I slay? I just want to wait,
come on, this is great somewhere Katie Gavin Fermuna is
like I think Matt has perfect pitch. You're going to

(01:06:25):
die a compliment that I'll never like. Of course, that
you will never let go. Okay. This is also the
year of her Best Screenplay Adapted and Original that can't
be right. Oh no, it was the Best Original Screenplay winner.
Of course, I was like adapted, I loved her. I
loved her. Of course, I'm the only faggot in America

(01:06:46):
who thinks that. Excuse me, I just said, I know
that's not an original thought. Best Original Song, Mandela Ordinary
Love see like this is when?

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Oh no.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
At the Academy Awards.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
The Record of the Year was to Get Lucky by
Daft Punk, which I don't necessarily get. And then the
Album of the Year was Random Access Memories. Oh this
was the year that Taylor's Red was beat.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
This was the year that Taylor's read because when they
read and the grammy goes to like there was a
split second re use. If you can see Taylor's face,
She's like, she thinks she's gonna win.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
They heard the r Yeah, they sure did, crushing And
then it was Random Access Memories, which kind of came
out of nowhere. Also, the song of the Year was
Royal by Lord, and let's just say I love melodrama,
but for me, pure Heroin by Lord is an important oh,
of course it is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
That's Lore for me. That's that's Lord. It's Lord. It's
Lord Lare, Lord Lor. Well, let's just say pure Heroin
is that herold is Lord lor Pure Heroin is Lord Lare.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
And I just remember being in my last semester of
college mm hmm high all the time when worlds came out. Yes,
oh I remember, yes, I was right there with you
girl and just stomping the streets. It was like the
last semester of college and I was in the West
Village just like walking around, like listening to like four
hundred Lucks. Huh. I love pure Heroin, Pure Heroin in

(01:08:14):
that first Charlie XCX album True Romance, those were like
that was all I was listening to. I mean to say,
nothing of art pop. We'll get so, we'll get to
art pop. There was so I mean, this year, this
is the babe, gave it okay, and then let's see
what else. Best New Artist Malcolmore and Ryan Lewis. Other

(01:08:36):
nominees included Casey Musgraves, Ed Sheeron, James Blake, and Kendrick Lamar.
I don't think we got this one right. I don't know.
We love Macklmore, though I don't know if.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
We love Macklamore enough to comfortably sit here and be like, yeah,
it's fine that he beat Kendrick Lamar and Casey Musgraves
and even ed sheeron to be honest, even James Blake,
I mean definitely James Blake. You know, I was at
the Do Lab last year at Coachella when James Blake
did drop and said, the what lab. It's called the
do Lab. It's where you go to see surprise drop ins.

(01:09:09):
That's at Coachella.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
And I was there and in lab they should and
you know, Jamila was there vibing how she dole. We
love you girl. Let's talk about art pop. Where were you?
I was in the airport in Beijing. You were, Yeah,

(01:09:31):
that's very art populo. We were visiting China and on
the way back in November, it had dropped. Our pop
came into our lives and we're in time on another
album later. But that was you know me, I was
still caping for Gaga at her lowest moment, when everyone

(01:09:53):
else had left her behind.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Her lowest moment was when she could barely get the
plane that she became off the ground. It was Lani
technically Atlantis. Technically there was a higher moment than usual
because she was inches off the ground, but it was
a low point. She got into a full space suit,
did a press conference in her spacesuit while her helmet

(01:10:16):
was in one arm, saying I'm so excited to be
the first flying woman.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Yeah, she did not say that, but she said, I
this is history. This is the first flying dress.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Yes you missed that. Raw, Lady Goga rules. And I
believe this is also the era where she got vomited on.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Well, that was twenty fourteen at south By, so that
was after the album came out, so that doesn't technically
fall under this. See that was twenty fourteen at south By.
I'm telling you I know this era like the back
of my hand.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
This was a really I remember when everyone was like, oh,
I don't know, Lady Goga lost it. I'm like, what
are you talking about. I'm the rich bitch, I'm the
upper class. Come on, give some respect, Like, don't react
quickly to this shit. Let things marinate.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
This is what I'm saying, because in twelve years you're
gonna be gagged by donal Tella. I think you know
what's cool, Try and think about like, however, you can
have metacognition, think about like the way you're thinking about
things and be like, let me think ahead, girl, let
me let me extrapolate a little bit. Strap ar pop.

(01:11:22):
Where were you talk about your experience with her? I
was on the subway. Okay, this was subway gig, like
this was I remember you were subway gigging back then
a lot, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Remember like this album took over. I think this actually
was one of the first albums I had like fully
downloaded on Spotify. I remember at this time, like I
finally got Spotify and was like paying for like the
version where you could like download songs and stuff, and
I'm making my little play and I think it was
one of the first albums I downloaded on Spotify.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
But g u I Sex Dreams, I'll sell it again, dope, dope,
any more than our engineer freaking out having a heart attack,
like truly panicked. Do what you want, now, what you want.

(01:12:15):
It's so annoying the legacy of that song because it
is such a hit. There is always the Christina version. Yeah,
there is always that version. The version now, the version
now I will stay at the as Gaga fucking tour
and R Kelly was there as the President. It's a
tough one. Gaga played President Kelly's secretary, President Kelly's secrecretary

(01:12:41):
at the AMS where like she's at her desk President
Kelly's office the White House. Yes, yes, I'll let him know.
Then she gets a call hello, mister President, I want
you and my desk in two minutes or whatever it was,
and then she does this whole thing. I'm like, yes, sir,

(01:13:05):
and then she starts to like primp and primp and
prim and I remember this, and then she was black
and white, right, No, she was in a gold dress,
and then she goes into the Oval Office and does
a whole dance and then the Oval office that melts
away and she like goes and climbs the top a
piano and starts screaming. And then it ended in a ballad, right,
and then it was a ballad version of do what

(01:13:27):
you Want. And then it was just news. It was headlines.
It was very reputation, pre reputation. It was newspaper articles
that said every headline was Lady Gaga is fast. Let
these women be nuts. I'm telling you because then you
get this, you love it, lady puts you will love it. No,

(01:13:47):
I mean, lady guy. She was going through a very
hard time. And I don't mean to laugh, but it
is like it is that song is so unfortunate, like
it is honist because of the r Kelly thing, Like
the album is really tough for Gaga. I think she
really doesn't remember it. I think we should believe her
when she says she doesn't remember our pop. I don't

(01:14:08):
remember our people. She will. I don't think she will perform.
It will be decades before she performs a song from
that album live. Did she not do applause? Do any art?
Pop ecrematicaball? Wow? Yeah, I guess she didn't. She really
doesn't like that time in her life. I don't think whoa,
I don't. I don't mean to make light of that.
I don't mean to laugh at that, but I mean
for me, as a little monster, as a fan, I

(01:14:30):
do go like I stuck with her in that time
and I have not earned my stripes or anything, but
like that just means to me, like I love this
woman till the day I die. There's no question she
is our favorite celebrity. Lady Gaga is fat like all
across and like because I mean it was a crazy
time and like she'd put on a little weight and
everyone like melted down. That was still the end.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
I don't know, well, this tabloid ra is still ongoing.
I mean blah blah blah. But like it was the
last time that like people could really they get away
with saying ship like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Yeah, that was that was.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
That was like a moment where it was probably what
was being said about her in papers more reputable than
we remember.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Yesh, it was like so killing crazy making your daily
mails and should still say that kind of thing? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
And then Venus we have to just say, Venus, ve
shout out. We all remember where we were, have respect.
Venus know that we've performed that live many times.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
Yes, I think a companion piece to our pop is
Prison by Katy Perry.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
I love Prison by Katy Perry. And anyone who thinks
the second half of Prism doesn't go all the way
off is not listening. Use your fucking ears and listen
to the second half of Prism. Now, adult contemporary was
heard on this album and the bops were bopping.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Did you have a radio station in Long Island that
whereas Yes, called cozy in Colorado was called cozy one
on one. For us, it was called like Star, but
it was like Star ninety nine point nine. It was
like adult contemper Yes, and okay, so maybe you had
this woman, iconic Delilah. Of course we had Delilah, Delilah, Delahilah.

(01:16:24):
Wait a minute, I need to write this down. I
need to go home, smoke a fat joint and listen
to old Delilah clips. It's just her be It's literally like, Hi,
how are you. I'm okay, Delilah. My husband has been
at war for six years. That's so hard. It must
be very lonely. It really is, Delilah, And I just

(01:16:47):
want to know that things will get better. They will.
I have a good song for you. It's like I'm
a already there. Look around.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
It's like giving a loan, literally, like maybe this is
like a show we should do, yes, just like comforting
radio DJs who are.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Fucked up and the post apocalypse, Like the world is done,
and yet these two people are still like I'm so sorry.
Delilah was a legend period. I hope she's well, I
hope she what's going on tonight? Huh, she's on TikTok.
Oh my god, what answered people's question. She's still on

(01:17:30):
the radio. Hum Old already there today you can look around.
I said, you better eat, talk more about prism.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
One of the greatest songs of all times. Birthday, Oh
my god, yes, actual birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Yes this year. Yes, that's so good. You precious soul.
You went you seasonalized? You really do. I mean your
birthday should be a holiday, and like you should have
a song at the reading, and there should be a
playlist and Birthday by Katy Perry should be on it
absolutely booming you with me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Wait, I now know I don't think so honey, up
has to do with prism? Okay, oh give you Itay,
I'm so happy. You know what that feeling when you
find out you're I don't think so honey and you're
like so happy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Make it like you bedday every day.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Also, you know what time, I didn't like it first,
but then I ended up being like, oh, I guess
I do like it because I kind of have to
dark Horse.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
I still am not so hot on dark dark Horse
all these years later. What else was good? This is
how we do. Yeah, this is hell we do. Never forget.
I don't it's a weird album, so cuckoo, it's a
cuckoo album and the tough live performances of that. But

(01:18:52):
I do love unconditionally. I have a lot and this
has to do with don't get to a from there
because I have a lot to say about it. And
then the big one Beyonce by Beyonce started it all,
started it all. I actually don't think I have no

(01:19:14):
this is this is not true, but like it's up
there for me with albums of Laura in my life
where I'm like that change shit like that was a
like a marked change in like the way I felt
number one her music, like everything. I was just like
so blown away by what the fucks she did?

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Every song I fucking love, like I guess for me,
if I had to say a standout, it's still Jealous, Jealous.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
I listened to Jealous every day all day, like it
was really I'm sorry. I hear my sister say I
listened to Jealous every day all day.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
I go, I don't if that's true. It's not true,
but at the time I listened to it a lot.
I see I see remember iTunes for you have like
your top twenty five play.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Song and you'd see the count. Ooh, that's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
The thousands of times I listened to Jealous, it was
like far and away my number one an album I
listened to constantly, Like but that one song, I don't
think I ever just got through it once.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
I would always have to replay it. What is it
about that song? I think that's the kind of music
I hope to make. Want is like I think you
have made bite full like emotional pop. The production on
that is so good, just like that's every Christmas Eve.
Coded Oh my god, that's so kind of you, it's

(01:20:45):
every Christmas Eve. I feel as though you're not wrong. No,
I'm not. I know I'm not. I wouldn't say it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
I would also say, just like Beyonce, occupying that lyrical
space of like, how fucking dare you?

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Like? How much I like cook this for naked, this
meal for you, naked? Where the hell you at? Uh huh?
I wish that you were me so you could feel
this feeling. I never broke one promise, and I know
when you're not honest. Now you got me yelling that's
because I'm jealous.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
When she said I'm coming for you, but also I'm
backing off like that is tough to pull off on
a song, just like, yeah, you think it's gonna be
one thing, because it is one thing, and then the
reveal of the underlying emotion you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Know what song also does this? What be careful Cardi B.
It's like, don't do this because why I do this
is vulnerable. Don't do this vulnerable. I'm getting a shirt
we're making merch that says, don't do this. I'm vulnerable
this album. I remember exactly where I was. Obviously, there

(01:21:49):
was a midnight drop. You and I were on Facebook Messenger.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
I literally remember for some reason going the iTunes being
like I wonder and seeing the word beyond saying I
was like huh. And I texted you and I said,
You're not gonna believe this. I remember the message you said.
I was like, oh my god, I can't fucking believe this.
And then you said the words no, I feel sick.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
I feel sick. I was sick.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Yeah, I was unwell, and I remember I didn't sleep
that night. I had to go into work the next
day and none of the other waitresses had slept either.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
It was like, what is going on? That was a
musical monoculture moment. I mean, I just remember watching the
video for Yance, the video for Partition, the video for
Blow for Rocket, for all of the I was just
like everyone. I was just like I am a new being,

(01:22:39):
Like I am immediately re arranged because of this album,
Like I know what to aspire to now, like sexually,
I know what to aspire to now, like confidence way,
like yeah, that is like role model aspirational down flow us.

(01:23:01):
Oh my god, forget it, like never.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
By the way, this was also the year of the
red flannel tucked into jean's shorts. And if you weren't
doing it button to the top tucked into gene shorts,
you weren't a pop girlly of the time or a
gay guy trying to give that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
But it's okay because we teach girls to shrink themselves,
to make themselves smaller. Period. There's more, but ask Chimamanda
about that now. The following songs were number one hits
on the Billboard. Howe anything else to say about Beyonce.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
I mean, so much more to say, but like it
is what it is. I mean, like it's the defining album.
The fact that that's an album of the year, loss
is comical. It's ridiculous. It should have been her first album,
win Album of the Year Win.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Blurred Lines was twelve weeks at number one Royals nine weeks,
very impressive, and I did not put the rest of
the weeks. I think that's truly okay out of heaven Up.
We didn't talk about untorthodox cheekbox Sobers on tour for
that album. He was phenomenal. Yeah, thrift Shop, Harlem Shake,

(01:24:11):
just give me a reason. Pink representation very much so
can't hold us more? Malcolmore roar, bless you, bless you,
bless you, bless you. Leave that in. I want them
to know how much I sneeze. I want them to
know what I go through. I'm crying. Leave that in.

(01:24:32):
Do not take it out. No one's pushing back. I
know the truth. Uh. And Wrecking Ball, Wrecking Ball, fucking
Rocks TV.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
I think at this time I'm just gonna say was
boring because the same ship was still dominating. So blah
blah blah, Breaking Bad, Modern Family. These were all incredible shows,
but we've just talked about them in other episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Notable deaths, Oh God, Paul Walker, there's that lou Reed,
Roger Ebert. That was that was tough too. No, Nelson, Mandela,
James Gndel Feeni, Oh God, we miss you, we miss you,
We kiss you. Politically, here's what happened. But Rock Obama

(01:25:18):
sworn in for his second term. They say that art
pop was an Obama era creation. Do you agree?

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Yes, I think that artists felt the most free Obama God,
the Tea Party shut down the government.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Huh yeah, they really did that. Obamacare flopped. Snowden's NSA
leaks not great, huh No. Sort of living in a time.

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
That was where you know that it's started to unravel,
you know, yeah, that's unravel.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
The last and most important thing that happened in the
year twenty thirteen was Bowen and I sat down at
Wapiano and I had Bowen joining our sketch group Poproulette,
thus changing the course of history.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Really because you were going to move back today. I
was going to move back to dinner with my parents.
I Oh, my sister period saved me. And this is
I said, come to Vapiano, we have to have a conversation.
And we hadn't really like hung out in a while. No,
this was pre Best era, pre bestI era. It was
still like, oh Matt. Yeah, it was just like good friend,

(01:26:34):
Oh Matt, I would love to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
I hope I see Matt soon. Yeah, And I was like, girl,
it's time to get lunch. And then we sat down
and got lunch and.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Little did you know that there was a destiny was
there was a poprolette proposal. I said, the group has
talked and they've decided they want you a girl. They
want you to be a part of the group. And
do you know why we asked Food to be a
part of the group because I left reality show or something. No,
this was why do you remember when you got on
that music app and sang set fire to your manner

(01:27:04):
to the to the tune of does that still exist?
Explain what that was? This was an app that pre
TikTok like TikTok was a merger between two apps, right,
both were like Chinese apps, or one of them was
Chinese and like but the other one this is not
that app, but it was. There was like a a

(01:27:26):
genre of app where you could sing karaoke songs and
record yourself singing. Huh. It was not musically but it
was like whatever it was, it was called something else
before musically I think it wasn't that. It wasn't it's
it's the right thread.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
You're spiritually right, No, no, no, but spiritual like the
Katie Perry Prism song.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Okay, well musically was what TikTok was? Right? Yeah, But
you could like film yourself, like you could record yourself
and film yourself singing karaoke songs. And I did a
series where I would pitch up my voice and I
played this character or as myself. I was like hey,
I was like, hey, it's Boen and like I'm here
to sing my cover of like of this is this,

(01:28:08):
and like sometimes I would for some reason set fire
to your manner was me being like so stupid A
rich guy broke up with me, and I went to
go burn his house down. But it was a whole manner.
It was a manner. Where did I get manner from?
Oh no, it's because you're very creative.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
And it was that creativity and performance capability that earned
the yas of pop Roulette. And I said, let me
sit down with him because I know him the best,
and we'll get him to join the sketch group. Because
I heard this nasty rumor that you were going to
leave town. And flee and go back to something like Denver, Colorado,
like you were Renee Rap or.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Something like it was Renee Rap. She has this a
whole song about it. How was your twenty thirteen? Personally?
My god?

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Like so working in a restaurant pilled like I would work.
I was working at Ulysses in the financial district, just
like waiting on everyone who ran our banks and was
so drunk during the day. Like they would come and
they would get wasted, and then they would return to
running our banks. I will never forget how I saw
some of those men speak to the girls that I

(01:29:23):
worked with. I made fine money there, I mean like
it was. I remember thinking at the time, like I
have to keep this job because I won't make money elsewhere.
Like can I say to all servers out there, if
you are at a restaurant that you don't like working at,
there's a million other ones.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
I don't do. Not live day to day in a situation.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
You shouldn't be in a situation for even ten minutes
where you're not happy. The word, in the words of
Kim katral I was.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Making a bit. I don't know about there being a
million restaurants. There are a million.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
I just I remember I stayed like it's a nice
place like whatever, but like I remember management change. Again,
this was like over ten years ago now, so like
it's like everyone's different, but like that thing happened where
I was like, you had like a good fun job
and then management change and like things changed, and you know,
we started like to do other things. And I was
just like it was really wearing on me how disgusting

(01:30:17):
the guys were that would come in.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
Yeah, and of course I left because it was just
getting so like corporatety all around me, and I was
just like this is gross and I wasn't making good
enough money and just like the financial district is not
where the cream of the crop is. Well, fight I return,
you think fight, I I don't just like fight, you

(01:30:41):
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Like I used to go there and I liked it,
Like I loved, you know, the cobblestone streets, and I
liked a lot of the restaurants down there, Like by
the way, there's I don't know if it's still there,
but there was a pizza place called Adrian's next door
that was like so slay, and like I did have
a lot of good memories working now, like you would
come visit me.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
I worked with a lot of really cool girls there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
I recently went back and some people were still working there,
which was like so great to see them. And you know,
but I remember I would work Monday nights from seven
pm to four am. Oh yes, and there would be
no one there, but we pulled the tips, so I'd
make all this like hourly money from working from seven

(01:31:21):
to four am on.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
A Monday night. Yeah, yeah, till literally four I can't believe. Yeah,
there were Oh but this was Brooklyn Crab days. Never mind,
I'm getting it. I'm getting ahead of myself. The Brooklyn
Crab days comes soon after. But the Brooklyn Crab days,
and we've talked about on this pod before, but there
were a couple of nights where you would be over
served at Brooklyn Crab at your job because you'd stick
around after work and you would call me drunk and

(01:31:43):
be like, boh and get me an uber now because
I didn't have uber uber on my phone. I don't
know why. I think it was just I don't know,
And I would do it for you, and that's how
much I love you. That was back in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Would go on, well, you wouldn't, but Sudi would make
my PDFs, and you would call my ubers study would
make your PDFs because you were convinced that you cannot
make them on your computer, on your Mac computer because
there was a virus.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
Because there was a virus. I was convinced. I was
convinced that. I don't know. I still think this day,
I think something was going on there. I just mean,
I hope one day that we all go to Fight
I again for a fun party like China Chalet was
kind of a nice moment, did you No, I don't
think I ever.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Want we could go down to Fight Eye and have
a party whenever we want. It's just like the type
of character you might run into down there is like
it's always usually tough. I'm gonna call it very mask
Bridge and Tunnel, I'm telling you. Like these guys from
like the banks would come in when they're like khaki
pants with their big old butts, and they would like

(01:32:47):
be so nasty.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
And just like talk. I just I saw so many
of my colleagues be called like the C word. Oh God,
like our friend I won't say who who I got
a job there had this horrible experience where she told
the customer that we didn't sell cigarettes because he was wasted.
Came up, like you always sell cigarettes, and she's like,
we don't have cigarettes. They have it at the gazebo

(01:33:09):
around the corner, and he called her the sea word
in such a vicious, violent way that I was just like.
It wasn't long after that that I left. I was like,
I don't even want to be fucking around this. Yeah,
I like it's so gross.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
And those guys feel so entitled because they make the
money that they make, and like, you know, like it's
just I don't know. I hate these guys living in
the fucking high life down there and treating people like that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
I help all of them suffer. Suffer well. Time froun't
think so honey, time think so honey. This is I
don't think, sony. This is where we take one minute
to go off on something in culture. Let's see, Oh
I do have something. I have something, and let's go
with you, all right, let's go with me. And we

(01:33:56):
both previewed her. I don't think so Honey's yeah, this
is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many time starts now, I.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Don't think so honey. Anyone taking an issue with the
pronunciation in the song Unconditionally by Katie Perry to stop
with your unconditionally. First of all, it is a gorgeous song.
It is a gorgeous ballad for me, and I feel
like a lot of people can't get over the pronunciation.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
Get over it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
She had to say it like that so it would
work in meter. Okay, what would you rather not have
the song? It's one of the greatest songs in the
twenty first century. No, no, who could forget her? Performances
of the song live all problematic, all problematic in nature.
I swear to God I heard her say, with an
Asian accent, the word unconditionally.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
No, I'm kidding. She never did that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
She only ever did everything about board Katy Perry fifteen seconds.
She's one of the great artists of our time. Unconditionally
is a ballad that I will have playing at my
wedding on repeat. Don't worry every when I'm not getting married. No,
I'll probably get married. I don't think i'll have kids though,
But when I do get married, just know I will
love them unconditionally.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
And that's one minute. She should have done it like this.
Go ahead and show us uncondition. No, you look at
there is nothing wrong with unconditionally uncondition. No. I know

(01:35:23):
it sounds bad. It is bad, but that's how it's
how the word's condition. There's nothing wrong with that. There's
nothing wrong with that. And guess what if there is
something a little bit fucked up about it, that's what
makes it memorable and pop. That's what makes Katy Perry
pop in the top ten of the Iconic four hundred.

(01:35:46):
I we did not agree on that, but I guess
it's I guess it's etched in stone. Top she might
be top.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Tenazy the Iconic four hundred is coming number four hundred, No,
we can't say. I don't think we've said who four
hundred is yet. Yeah, I don't think we've said it. No,
the name that we're gonna say is social number four
hundred is so shocking and it will set the tone
for an amazing list. Yes, okay, all right, this upcoming

(01:36:17):
is and I think I see him formulating an idea
right now, sort of. Okay, this is Bowen Yang's I
don't think Zhanni, are you ready? Yes, his time starts now.
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Money posting lyrics on a story, posting lyrics to be
like it's it is lacking an extremely important component, which
is the music, which is the production. If it's hip hop,
you need you need the track underneath it for it
to make sense. I don't think we should encourage this.

(01:36:51):
I don't want to participate in it personally. If you're
doing it, no problem, But it's always tough a second
either way you slice it. If you're doing it to
be like, look at how genius this is, it's always
tough to be like, oh yeah, I guess. So if
you're doing it to be able to look how stupid
it is, it's like, well you're that's that's not fair.
So I think until we find a way to like
package a song snippet that we like in a way

(01:37:11):
that is digestible to a social media feed, then great.
I also don't care about what seems digestible to social
media feed. Let's all lean off. I'm gonna be the
first person to say social media is bad. That's one minute.
That's one minute.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
First of all, do you know how stupid like any
Beatles song would look if you just posted the lyrics
like and put them out there and like you laugh
them out? She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah, you wouldn't.
You'd be like, lol, these are the greatest pop songwriters
of all time. Actually, yes that was true. Yes, I
just think it's so stupid too to be like, oh,

(01:37:46):
let me like screen grab these lyrics just so I
can say, like what, how bad this artist is on
the whole, or like how overrated she is. It's just
like there's someone cool, like shut the fuck up. I
don't know, like I don't have like an intelligent thought
about this. And it's like, okay, yeah, gotcha. Those words
put together like look stupid, isolated and like you said,

(01:38:09):
without context, like cool, it's a song.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
It's a song. I've just seen.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
I've seen like a lot of like people who just
are hell bent on every single time Taylor Swift does
anything like finding a way to sort of prove that
all this success and impact she has is like a
fluke or like that it's unearned or something. And it's
like they just bend over backwards to try to make

(01:38:38):
that point, and it's always so sweaty. It's like, okay,
so did you, like you you didn't just casually find this,
You went out of your way in this quote unquote
dense densely lyrical thing to find these embarrassing quote unquote
cringe lyrics and post them and like to prove what

(01:38:59):
point that you are better than everyone?

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
Okay, they might be, they might be, they might be. Well,
this has been an amazing episode of Lost Culture.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Tortured, Tortured Podcast Department. But don't we say title of app?

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
Title of that was? There was one?

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
Well, I guess now we have to make a tactical decision.
Do we call it the Tortured Podcast Department and get
million streams? Or do we call it something else? No,
we had we had something else, but well, the numbers
are down. We'll listen back to it. Oh no, stop,
we're not doing.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Numbers are down for Last Culture. We're not doing this.
We just want a webbing. Yeah, let's hopefully the webby
ticks us up. But yeah, we saw something. If you
didn't tune in last week, we saw that. We felt that.
Oh stop, I'm not looking at the numbers you are.
I'm a metrics queen, I know, and I am glad.
All I know is our most polarizing episode ever. It

(01:39:56):
was a huge hit, So maybe we should start fucking
burning it down. Okay, come in here, no fucks to give,
no life to live, no fucks to give, no life
to live. What was our most successful episode? Oh oh oh, Our.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
Most successful episode of all time is Great Americans with Tina.
But what one episode that like crushed was One and
a Half Fuck, which Sunshine review and Recap, which had
the girls sure twisting, turning, tossing, yeah, yeah, yeah, and totally.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
I mean. All I'll say is I continue to stand
by what I've said. One of my favorite albums of
the year.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
I love every word, love the artists, love and love
and love all the girls out there who have something
to say.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
You are and so you I'd have to say, is
all you Sarah's and Hannah's you like? But Daddy I
love him.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
If you want to know how I feel about y'all
and the way you feel about One and a half
Fuck episode, just listen and go go stream.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
But Daddy, I love him. We end every episode with
a song I having say, No, I'm not, but you
should see your faces. Everyone stopped. Go stream. Torture Poet
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