July 8, 2024 • 30 mins
Who says you can't go home?
Prue and Piper are headed back to the House of Halliwell and they make the big announcement right here on Let's Be Clear!!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is let's be clear with Shannon Dory unacceptable unacceptable.
But hi, everyone, did you hear the unacceptable? Do you
guys recognize that voice? Yeah, because even if I weren't
looking at this person, I would still recognize that voice.
But uh, you're listening to God, what's the name of
(00:26):
the show. Now, let's be clear with Shannon Dorty, Sirian
and I have Holly Marie Comb's back. I know you're
all very excited about that. If you don't recognize my voice,
you will recognize my far too loud. Wow, I try
to lean back. That's good because you know it's loud.
So Holly is here because we doesn't live here, how
(00:49):
dare you? Because you picked out her room here.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And guardians all the way.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, and it's uh, it's just prepared for her all
the time. When she's like okay flying in, it's like
a big panic moment for me. Where Why Because Claudia,
my housekeeper, who's like a family member, Like I heard,
I'm like, oh my god, we have to make sure
it's like really clean.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I do believe I've lived with you since I was
twenty two.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But it's always been clean. Yes, I know, because Nobody
sleeps in that room. Nobody cares, I know, but I
don't want you sleeping on sheets that are you know,
have been like not changed.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
What kind of thirties are you having here?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
None? Nobody goes in that room. But you know, if
you don't wash your sheets for ten days, they get stale.
That's disgusting. Yeah, goodness, who knew? I didn't know? Anyway,
So I have you back on because I just want
to talk about that house of helliwell, okay, yours and
Brian and Drew's podcast, what about it?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
It's really good. Thanks, it's really good. We just try
to have a good time. I mean, it's nothing studious.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You guys do have a good time, and I feel
like the conversations are always really interesting and you're learning something.
And you guys have been on break on the hiatus.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, well, there are reasons for such things.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So maybe we should get into those reasons. What are
the reasons, Hollie, You're the reason. I feel like I'm
the reason the soundtrack should start. Now, Shannon's always to
blame you guys. You're the reason. So truly, I'm glad
you decided to join us after I asked you a
year and a half ago. She takes a lot of courting. No,
(02:33):
I didn't know what a podcast was.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I had no idea. I thought it was basically like
a TV show. And I didn't understand why there wasn't
a deal up front and why wasn't getting paid right.
I was clueless.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I have that text, or maybe it's an email that
says when there's a producer and there's money, and I
was like, wait, we're independent, we're broke, we have no
money to give you. And you were like, nah, bruh, nah,
But that's okay because you found a producer and you
found some money. You freak me out when you're like, no,
we should do this then, and we should do this now,
(03:07):
and I'm going to make it happen, And then you
do and it's really fucking creepy, I.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Know, but you love it because no I don't. Well, okay, yes,
because I did find the money. Yeah, we had this conversation.
We all got paid and I found iHeart who wanted
to do it right.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
We have this conversation where I told you my husband said, well,
if Shannon is involved, it will be successful, and I
was like.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Whoa, whoa WHOA I paid Mike to say that I've
been mowed him. Oh rude, I was like, Mike, what's
your venvo? How dare you say this? So he does
know and you do know, And it's common knowledge about
me that I'm not nearly as ambitious as I should be.
And I'm very happy to just retire on an island
until I come here because I'm sick of the island.
(03:52):
But retirement only is possible when when you have a
certain amount of money. Sure that would be nice, right,
So for me, I mean, I'm not quite sure I'm
ready to like retire, retire you will never Less work
is nice sometimes less responsibilities and obligations. So I guess
I'm in the mindset now of I need to make
(04:13):
as much money as humanly possible over the next two years.
Bank it put it with you know, my investment place
like build that so that A I don't have to work,
and I only work when like I really want to.
I can also you know, go on a lot more vacations.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
As you should.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
But then also like when I pass away, my mom's
got like a you know, nice little ness egg and
I don't have to worry about her.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
For you projects are motivating and appealing, whereas I'd rather
just disappear. So this is this is hard for me.
It's hard for me to be on camera every day. Again,
it's hard for me to hear my own voice. It's
just it's not who I am anymore. Like my mom
keeps putting my mom just moved in with me, if
people don't know by now, but my mom keeps putting
(05:02):
up like charm pictures. Why is she putting up charm
just to like remind you. I don't know, like what
working is like, I don't know, but it's like, you know,
you work extremely hard. I know you want to say
that you're retired, but you work really hard, like you
do so many conventions. And then you guys were doing
the podcast and I don't think anybody realizes how hard
(05:23):
the podcasts actually are. But they're not easy to do, No,
I mean, it's weird to watch yourself do and say
things from twenty five years ago. And you know, I'm
super critical and people do not like when I'm critical
of the episodes or of myself. But I can't not
be like, because you have to be honest. I'm not
going to cheat my own horn. No, that's ridiculous, even
(05:46):
when I was watching it last night. For this thing
that we talked about that we're not talking about, but
we're talking about it. So like that's the whole point of.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Your being here right right besides you just you know,
missed your bedroom here.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yes, I did sometimes a break from my retirement, but
I still am critical. Like I look at, you know,
the twenty five year old me, and I'm like, I
would have done that differently. I could have done that better.
I should have been more something or something in that moment.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
That's interesting because I watched as you know, for the
rewatch like four or five episodes, and I wrote, by
the way in a row, and I was really impressed
with you. Obviously, I knew you were a good actress.
You were also my friend. It's why I was like,
she's doing the show or I'm not doing it right,
and you are really good. I liked the choices that
(06:41):
you made. I liked how you know, you have your
own sense of humor in the show. You're a little
uncomfortable at times, but it comes out very funny. Well,
I think you're incredibly Piper is very sensitive.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, and Piper was not I hate to talk about
my characters like they're not me. But she was very
uncomfortable in her skin. She was very uncomfortable being the
middle child. She was put in the middle, you know,
and to be the peacemaker. And so that physicality, finding
her physicality, her walk, and her movements helped me find
(07:14):
her voice exactly. And there's still some things I would change,
but for the most part, I'm ninety five percent okay
with it. I mean, I think that happens to all
of us, right, because it should. The older you get.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And the more you evolve and the more you grow,
you look at past performances and say to yourself, wow,
I was really immature back then. I would have brought
a lot more depth. I would have, you know, brought this,
brought that. You know. I look at nine O two
and zero very much like that where I go, oh
my god, I sucked as Brenda. There were so many
false moments from me. It's insane where you can just
(07:50):
see me acting or you see like it doesn't ring
true or on it.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
You can see it. That doesn't mean everybody else sees it.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Right, And it doesn't mean that people should be at
us because we see it. It's just I think as
an actor, you have to see those big moments that
you do because otherwise you're not growing.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well, I'll tell you this much. So when I did
pick Offences, where I was super duper green, really could
not be more and experienced with more experienced movie actors. Yeah,
so I was like literally thrown into the pit and
just like I marveled at these people who were so
good at what they did. And I was fifth on
the call sheet, so I didn't work every day, but
(08:30):
I would hang out every day to watch them and
to glean anything I could from them. And honestly, my
most important lessons were how you treat your crew and
how you get through your day and if it's a
twelve or fourteen hour day or whatever. They were really
good at it and it was very much like a
family atmosphere. But I look back on some of those
(08:53):
moments and just cringe, super cringe where I just go,
oh my god, that I can feel how uncomfortable I
was at the time. Hopefully not everybody else does. But
it was Tom Scarett who said to me, if you're
satisfied with what you're doing, you should stop. And I
was like, okay, and he said you're blossoming, which is
(09:16):
a terrible word. Don't ever say that to people. But
he said I was blossoming as an actor, and I
should be really proud of myself. And he goes, but,
like I said, if you're ever satisfied with yourself, you
should stop what you're doing. And I don't think I
really felt solid in my shoes on that set until
(09:37):
Ray Walston, who is Ray Walston, said to me, that
was a very fine performance, young lady. Oh, and I
just about died because David Kelly did a terrible thing
to me and made me give a monologue, and not
just in front of him, but also in front of
the Supreme Court. I was not qualified. I was not
old enough, she was not all the things. Playing that
(10:01):
character literally was like trial by fire right. I had
to rise to every occasion. I had vocabulary words that
I didn't even know what they meant. I had to
look at words in my dialogue.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Have you found though, that like the older you got,
the more of a risk taker you became with your performance,
because that was that's one hundred percent true for me.
It's like the self consciousness of my youth started to
go away, and I started to feel a lot more free.
Like the Nino Too and O reboot. It didn't do well,
(10:35):
but I could not be happier with my performance because
I tried something completely different.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
No, I feel like I'm always kind of on that
treadmill to be better and do better. And yeah, like
I haven't met a performance I'm satisfied with yet.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Anyway, this is an episode about the fact that House
of Hellowell is coming back. It is it is coming
back to iHeart, so more people will have access to it.
You don't have to join a thing, you don't have
to pay extra money, you don't have any of that.
(11:24):
Like if we do an episode about you know, bloopers, outtakes, whatever,
they're there for everybody to say yes, and I am joining,
you are joining, to be clear, And we're starting from
season one episode one.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Well, people rewatch it a lot, so we're going to
rewatch the rewatch reboot take two hashtag take two.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, I'm excited for it.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I'm nervous because now I have to be twice the
interesting that I don't feel that I am. So It'll
be fine. Stop being so self deprecating. This is a habit.
It'll be fine, It'll be good. It'll be great.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It is great. Listen, the four of us have a
lot of chemistry. Yes, Brian Kraus is back. Yes, True
Fuller is back. It's the exact same show. You guys
just added me. Perhaps I added myself. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I think you did. But you waited till the right moment.
You let us prove ourselves. Put it that way.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
No, I just wanted to make sure that we all got.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Paid and that too.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I was like, nobody should do anything for free in
life because it's time consuming.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
It is, and it's you know, like I said, it's
opening Pandora's box. I know for me there is a
ton of emotions there. I knew there will be for
you that you don't even know about yet. But what's
funny is it's been long enough that you can watch
it now with fresh eyes.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And like you were texting me about who should actually
be Piper's boyfriend and who had Kim's and who didn't. Yeah,
but what's funny is you were texting it to me
in lifetime when I was like, this is for the podcast,
please silence, silence, But it was true.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Like I watched that episode and I was like, oh,
the chemistry between you and this person was so amazing,
Like it jumped off the screen. It was that like powerful,
like oh my god, why didn't they stay together?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
They're amazing as opposed to you know, like Beth's husband, right,
super complicated. Yeah, but people love it, so you can't.
I didn't talk poorly of Piper and Leo.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
By the way. I think you guys were good. He
wasn't like he was there in that episode. Maybe I
don't remember. All I see is John Show so freaking GOODBK.
But forever you guys did great together. You guys also
had chemistry. Hints why he was there the entire time.
(13:59):
It just really hit me rewatching episodes and guys, so
what we have to do, what Holly, Drew and Brian
have been doing for well over a year two years,
is you have to like rewatch And for people like
Colley and I who do not like watching ourselves at all,
it's a very weird job.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It is, and it's a lot of emotions. But like
I said to you, I do see why people got
absorbed into this fantasy life and how important it is
because you know, when I do the rewatch, I yell
at my kids not to text me, like, please stop
texting me. I'm doing something important here, right, you know,
So it is. It's still important to me, it's important
to a lot of people. And I think you and
(14:43):
I will both say that it's incredible that it still
is meaningful to people. Yes, it is incredible.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I also because I watched it, and essentially it's the
first time I've ever watched chart right, Like, I never
watched an episode except the ones I directed together in
the edit room. I was really impressed, and I felt
like the connection between the sisters and I felt that
(15:11):
like family unit and people who you know, they didn't
have anybody anymore, like Graham's died mom was dead, the
father was you know, iffy at times, and so they
had each other. That was their their nucleus. And I
really felt that in rewatching it, and was like, of
(15:33):
course people connected to this because you're connecting to that
feeling of family. And if you are struggling with your
own family, with your own identity or anything else, you
can compare yourself to those characters who also struggled with
their own identity and struggled with who they were, but
always had one another. And that's important. So I get it.
(15:57):
I get one hundred percent why people can with the
show so much.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, and it's you know, from doing the conventions one
dy four this year to hear people say I had
a really abusive family life and this was my one
hour of peace. And to hear people say, you know,
I watched this with my mom and she just passed away.
Can you sign this picture to her?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And me?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
You know, it's I can't even comprehend it, and I
don't think I every will. It was terribly important to me,
as you know, you're probably the only one that knows
how important it was.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
To me, as important as it was to me. Like
we we really went in there, the two of us, going,
this is an important show. We want to make the
absolute best. We were very serious yeah about it, particularly
that first season establishing ourselves. We were you know, you
and I would constantly go and like either your trailer
(16:55):
or my trailer and have conversations and go through the
scenes and like, Okay, this feels odd, or this feels odd.
Maybe you know, we need to change this to this
It might as well have been like another David Kelly
show on HBO. We looked at it, yeah, super seriously
such a serious manner, which I think was amazing because
(17:17):
it's why the show, you know, shifted and why it stayed.
And all I can really speak about is the first
three seasons because that's the only ones that I was
part of. But it, for the most part, it stayed
very entrenched in reality. Even though we were dealing with
all of these like demons and warlocks and blah blah blah,
(17:37):
it still felt real. Yeah, you know, and the family
aspect of it, for me was a big deal because
you know that I don't have a big family, and
you know that we became like family even before the show,
So family is obviously what you make it. And clearly
I'm sitting here today, Oh don't shut up.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
It's the same for other people too. Hey, thank you
very much, and good night.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
No, I know it's the same I got. I get
a lot of that as well as you know, and
I get a lot of people, a lot of gay
men who are like I was really struggling with who
I was and my identity and connecting with the sisters
and how they struggled. But then they they embraced it.
They you know, weren't scared off being witches and it
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made me feel comfortable enough to come out and talk
to my parents about it. That is a huge honor
to be a part of somebody's of life in that
capacity and to have helped them in any way, shape
or form.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, it's really it's a very happy, fortunate circumstance that
we didn't We weren't able to have many openly gay
characters on the show because the network would just not
allow it at the time. And I remember when I
got pretty pretty little liars, I was like, are we
allowed to do this on television now because we weren't before.
On Picket Fences, I did the first lesbian teenage kiss
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and that was a huge problem for the network at
the time, and they blacked it out and all the
other things. Really, yeah, and so having this very fortunate
circumstance where people did feel like it related to them
in a way where we couldn't be ourselves outwardly. It
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was relatable in being in the closet and how difficult
that was, and it really did help many many people
in a way that I think if we were to
reboot it, we would address those things in ways that
we weren't allowed to before.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Greed agreed there's a lot there. Even though there are
things that we weren't allowed to do. It was just,
you know, the time. I mean, your best friend is
a gay man. My best friend is a gay man,
right in real life, you guys, right like in real life?
You know. Yeah, my best friend who I also call
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my husband at this point, he calls me his wife.
But it's weird that we weren't able to address it
in that day and age during Charmed.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
You wasn't allowed.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, you weren't allowed. I mean, we never had one
gay characterrawing them no ooh, that's pretty crazy to think about.
But they were able to connect with us. And how
the sisters band together and you know, didn't immediately take
to being witches and then eventually did. That's that's a
(20:33):
really beautiful, beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah. And I mean, you know when kids say, you know,
I woke up with you or I raced home to
see the show and thank goodness for T and T
because that's where most people saw it. There was one
woman at the last convention I was at in Boston
that said, I actually got a speeding ticket because of
(20:58):
you guys, because I was home to see the episode.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, bless her. It's pretty amazing. Oh, I said, I
hope it was worth it. He should have been a
Charmed fan and been like, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Jeez. Well that's when you had to actually be there
to see something, you know, instead of binge watching, which
you just did four episodes you binged.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
On it was actually five episodes. Yeah, because Piper's soulmate
is poor, I mean episode five. The only note I
have is why is Piper doubting Prue after all she
has seen? Like what's funny is that when I watch them,
I'm always like, why are they doing this to Prue?
Like it's so defensive of my character that like almost
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all my notes are about Prue are about Prue.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
It's like that's hysterical.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I just I'm gonna probably gonna watch more episodes. Now
we're going to do it together. Well, you're going to
go through all my my terrible notes with me a
terrible commentary. I mean, I actually think I should like
watch them again because being the first time I've ever
watched Charmed, you're watching for Prue, right, I'm watching for Prue,
(22:11):
and now I need to like go in and watch
for the entire thing. You have the different nuances, Yeah
that happened with the show, and hear my commentary, which
is and hear your commentary, which is funny because we'll
probably argue about it and then one of us will
look at the other and be like, we got.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
To save it for the podcast, right. We can do
watch parties. Those are fun too, live action. Really, how
do you do a watch party? You literally play it
and we just get to talk over ourselves. Wow, and
people like it and they send in comments so you
can answer them too, oh like as you're yeah, oh,
that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
It is like my favorite thing on doing this podcast
is doing like the Q and A right exactly. I
just love responding to it, and so you have to
learn like how to do that during an episode. Though
It's totally fine. It's totally fine. I mean, you know, listen,
(23:13):
I think to be really upfront and honest, I'm you know,
nervous about it because you guys are you know, very established,
and you three have a really good sort of rapport
with each other on the podcast, and so I worry
about coming on right now of people's reaction, you know,
(23:33):
like are they going to say, wow, it was so
much better without Shannon. But it's because I'm always expecting rejection.
It sure's the thing or something. You can't please everybody
all the time.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
So there is that. And you know, at this point,
I feel like the less social media happening in my life,
the better. Yeah, And you just have to be true
to yourself and true to our you know, audience, and
you know why we're here and what it means, and
you know it means a lot to us. And that's
the thing is, I don't think people ever realized what
(24:08):
a heart project it was for us. So there's that.
And I think your memories and your interpretation of things,
you know, it is much more artistic than mine. Also,
like I'm just the one they're bleeding emotions. But you
were very much invested in what the show looked like. Yeah,
(24:29):
and the lighting and obviously then you directed, so it's
a different perspective.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I wanted it to have a very specific look, and
you know, the presentation was a lot more represented as dark. Yeah,
it was dark, and the show overall was darker. It
was a much more serious, much more dramatic, like grounded show.
And I loved that because you know, coming from drama,
(24:57):
you coming from drama, so yeah, I there were certain
episodes that were like too bright or to this or
to that. The camera didn't move properly. Somebody didn't want
to you steady cam, and that would always upset me
because I was like, no, no, no, we can do better.
We can push. Let's push, let's push, like stop putting
the camera on sticks and have it being static, like
(25:20):
move in like do something like you guys have zooms,
you have this, you have that, Like, let's get going.
Let's let's make it different and original and look really
good while you were crying. Yeah, but I was also.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Really uncomfortable with being funny. I didn't think I was funny.
You were very funny. I didn't. I still don't think
I'm funny and so and I think you kind of
came from the same sort of background where you know,
we're super comfortable doing the dramatic, the heavy dramatic stuff,
but being funny, being light and making fun of yourself
(25:55):
was almost difficult, and I think harshly, because we knew
each other before, it was easier to be light and
to be like feel like you're like in a safe space.
So if you make fun of yourself or you do
something goofy that it didn't feel so much so much
like acting. It was like just being like normal girls,
(26:18):
which I think is a very big appeal to the
show is that these are like girls hanging out together. Yeah,
and this is what girls do. And I don't think
if it wasn't you, if it wasn't me, that we
would have been able to do that.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I agree. I think that we, you know, we're able
to bring that out in each other because we'd been
through so much prior that we had you know, we
obviously had that connection. We were besties, we were all
of that, so we were able to kind of you know,
wink wink, nudge nudge each other. I also think because
Alyssa came from comedy, so she was instantly the more
(26:58):
like lighter one that looks for those like joke moments
and to make something light, that she allowed us to
be lighter as well. I mean I always still dug
into like the drama you did. I freakin loved it
so much. I was like anytime there was a script
where it was Prue was crying and I was like,
(27:18):
yay when score. I don't know who wants to go
to set and like cry for fourteen hours. But I did.
I loved it. But you know what's funny is, like
I watched rewatching now you were actually very funny and
how your character starts and you're you know, the tilt
of your head, the eyebrow twitch that you have, like
(27:41):
all of it is so hyper. Yeah, it's just so
like it's endearing. You're very endearing on the show. Not
in real life, but no, in real life, you're horrible,
pain in the pain in the ass.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
True story.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
So my hope, okay, is that Hoops and Dreams people
are happy that I joined. I'm sure they were happy
that it moved to iHeart.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I know you told me not to tell people, but
I have told a few people and they were really
happy with them.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Really. Yeah, you chose the non hater stuff. And I
know that I'm thrilled to be a part of it.
I know that, you know, watching it for the first
time has been really interesting for me, and I don't know,
it's cool, like we're getting to work together again in
(28:33):
a different capacity. Yeah, and I kind of direct me though, Yes,
I mean, I'm for sure a director and you forever
think I can do better, which sometimes I cannot. No,
whenever I was directing and I said you could do better.
You always did better every single time. Every time you
(28:53):
always did better, You dug deeper and figured out. I
don't know it was me pushing you or humiliating you sometimes,
but and you're the only one that I would have
done that with. I would never have directed anybody else
like that. But because we knew each other for so long,
I felt like I just knew what you were capable of.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Well, you have seen the depths of my despair, yes,
very much so. Yes, when it comes to abusive husbands,
when it comes to very very gritty, awful life stuff,
you have seen that.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And I wanted you to dig there, to go to
the place that nobody wants to go to at all.
It's like buried inside with a little lock. But I
wanted you to unlock it and dig for it so
that it could also be used in your performance. And
whenever you did that, it was the performance that I
was blown away by. All Right, that's all, folks, that's all, folks,
(29:51):
So thanks for joining. Let's be Clara Shannan Doherty and
Holly Maray Combs looking forward. I am to seeing your
guys action to the House of Hallowell Holly, thanks for
being here with me. Sure you can now eat pizza.
We're gonna eat pizza now and probably watch some Charmed at.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Least two episodes.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
At least two episodes. All right home or we love
you guys, See you soon.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Blessed be
This is let's be clear with Shannon Dory unacceptable unacceptable.
But hi, everyone, did you hear the unacceptable? Do you
guys recognize that voice? Yeah, because even if I weren't
looking at this person, I would still recognize that voice.
But uh, you're listening to God, what's the name of
(00:26):
the show. Now, let's be clear with Shannon Dorty, Sirian
and I have Holly Marie Comb's back. I know you're
all very excited about that. If you don't recognize my voice,
you will recognize my far too loud. Wow, I try
to lean back. That's good because you know it's loud.
So Holly is here because we doesn't live here, how
(00:49):
dare you? Because you picked out her room here.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And guardians all the way.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, and it's uh, it's just prepared for her all
the time. When she's like okay flying in, it's like
a big panic moment for me. Where Why Because Claudia,
my housekeeper, who's like a family member, Like I heard,
I'm like, oh my god, we have to make sure
it's like really clean.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I do believe I've lived with you since I was
twenty two.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But it's always been clean. Yes, I know, because Nobody
sleeps in that room. Nobody cares, I know, but I
don't want you sleeping on sheets that are you know,
have been like not changed.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
What kind of thirties are you having here?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
None? Nobody goes in that room. But you know, if
you don't wash your sheets for ten days, they get stale.
That's disgusting. Yeah, goodness, who knew? I didn't know? Anyway,
So I have you back on because I just want
to talk about that house of helliwell, okay, yours and
Brian and Drew's podcast, what about it?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
It's really good. Thanks, it's really good. We just try
to have a good time. I mean, it's nothing studious.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You guys do have a good time, and I feel
like the conversations are always really interesting and you're learning something.
And you guys have been on break on the hiatus.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, well, there are reasons for such things.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So maybe we should get into those reasons. What are
the reasons, Hollie, You're the reason. I feel like I'm
the reason the soundtrack should start. Now, Shannon's always to
blame you guys. You're the reason. So truly, I'm glad
you decided to join us after I asked you a
year and a half ago. She takes a lot of courting. No,
(02:33):
I didn't know what a podcast was.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I had no idea. I thought it was basically like
a TV show. And I didn't understand why there wasn't
a deal up front and why wasn't getting paid right.
I was clueless.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I have that text, or maybe it's an email that
says when there's a producer and there's money, and I
was like, wait, we're independent, we're broke, we have no
money to give you. And you were like, nah, bruh, nah,
But that's okay because you found a producer and you
found some money. You freak me out when you're like, no,
we should do this then, and we should do this now,
(03:07):
and I'm going to make it happen, And then you
do and it's really fucking creepy, I.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Know, but you love it because no I don't. Well, okay, yes,
because I did find the money. Yeah, we had this conversation.
We all got paid and I found iHeart who wanted
to do it right.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
We have this conversation where I told you my husband said, well,
if Shannon is involved, it will be successful, and I
was like.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Whoa, whoa WHOA I paid Mike to say that I've
been mowed him. Oh rude, I was like, Mike, what's
your venvo? How dare you say this? So he does
know and you do know, And it's common knowledge about
me that I'm not nearly as ambitious as I should be.
And I'm very happy to just retire on an island
until I come here because I'm sick of the island.
(03:52):
But retirement only is possible when when you have a
certain amount of money. Sure that would be nice, right,
So for me, I mean, I'm not quite sure I'm
ready to like retire, retire you will never Less work
is nice sometimes less responsibilities and obligations. So I guess
I'm in the mindset now of I need to make
(04:13):
as much money as humanly possible over the next two years.
Bank it put it with you know, my investment place
like build that so that A I don't have to work,
and I only work when like I really want to.
I can also you know, go on a lot more vacations.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
As you should.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
But then also like when I pass away, my mom's
got like a you know, nice little ness egg and
I don't have to worry about her.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
For you projects are motivating and appealing, whereas I'd rather
just disappear. So this is this is hard for me.
It's hard for me to be on camera every day. Again,
it's hard for me to hear my own voice. It's
just it's not who I am anymore. Like my mom
keeps putting my mom just moved in with me, if
people don't know by now, but my mom keeps putting
(05:02):
up like charm pictures. Why is she putting up charm
just to like remind you. I don't know, like what
working is like, I don't know, but it's like, you know,
you work extremely hard. I know you want to say
that you're retired, but you work really hard, like you
do so many conventions. And then you guys were doing
the podcast and I don't think anybody realizes how hard
(05:23):
the podcasts actually are. But they're not easy to do, No,
I mean, it's weird to watch yourself do and say
things from twenty five years ago. And you know, I'm
super critical and people do not like when I'm critical
of the episodes or of myself. But I can't not
be like, because you have to be honest. I'm not
going to cheat my own horn. No, that's ridiculous, even
(05:46):
when I was watching it last night. For this thing
that we talked about that we're not talking about, but
we're talking about it. So like that's the whole point of.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Your being here right right besides you just you know,
missed your bedroom here.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yes, I did sometimes a break from my retirement, but
I still am critical. Like I look at, you know,
the twenty five year old me, and I'm like, I
would have done that differently. I could have done that better.
I should have been more something or something in that moment.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
That's interesting because I watched as you know, for the
rewatch like four or five episodes, and I wrote, by
the way in a row, and I was really impressed
with you. Obviously, I knew you were a good actress.
You were also my friend. It's why I was like,
she's doing the show or I'm not doing it right,
and you are really good. I liked the choices that
(06:41):
you made. I liked how you know, you have your
own sense of humor in the show. You're a little
uncomfortable at times, but it comes out very funny. Well,
I think you're incredibly Piper is very sensitive.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, and Piper was not I hate to talk about
my characters like they're not me. But she was very
uncomfortable in her skin. She was very uncomfortable being the
middle child. She was put in the middle, you know,
and to be the peacemaker. And so that physicality, finding
her physicality, her walk, and her movements helped me find
(07:14):
her voice exactly. And there's still some things I would change,
but for the most part, I'm ninety five percent okay
with it. I mean, I think that happens to all
of us, right, because it should. The older you get.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And the more you evolve and the more you grow,
you look at past performances and say to yourself, wow,
I was really immature back then. I would have brought
a lot more depth. I would have, you know, brought this,
brought that. You know. I look at nine O two
and zero very much like that where I go, oh
my god, I sucked as Brenda. There were so many
false moments from me. It's insane where you can just
(07:50):
see me acting or you see like it doesn't ring
true or on it.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
You can see it. That doesn't mean everybody else sees it.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Right, And it doesn't mean that people should be at
us because we see it. It's just I think as
an actor, you have to see those big moments that
you do because otherwise you're not growing.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well, I'll tell you this much. So when I did
pick Offences, where I was super duper green, really could
not be more and experienced with more experienced movie actors. Yeah,
so I was like literally thrown into the pit and
just like I marveled at these people who were so
good at what they did. And I was fifth on
the call sheet, so I didn't work every day, but
(08:30):
I would hang out every day to watch them and
to glean anything I could from them. And honestly, my
most important lessons were how you treat your crew and
how you get through your day and if it's a
twelve or fourteen hour day or whatever. They were really
good at it and it was very much like a
family atmosphere. But I look back on some of those
(08:53):
moments and just cringe, super cringe where I just go,
oh my god, that I can feel how uncomfortable I
was at the time. Hopefully not everybody else does. But
it was Tom Scarett who said to me, if you're
satisfied with what you're doing, you should stop. And I
was like, okay, and he said you're blossoming, which is
(09:16):
a terrible word. Don't ever say that to people. But
he said I was blossoming as an actor, and I
should be really proud of myself. And he goes, but,
like I said, if you're ever satisfied with yourself, you
should stop what you're doing. And I don't think I
really felt solid in my shoes on that set until
(09:37):
Ray Walston, who is Ray Walston, said to me, that
was a very fine performance, young lady. Oh, and I
just about died because David Kelly did a terrible thing
to me and made me give a monologue, and not
just in front of him, but also in front of
the Supreme Court. I was not qualified. I was not
old enough, she was not all the things. Playing that
(10:01):
character literally was like trial by fire right. I had
to rise to every occasion. I had vocabulary words that
I didn't even know what they meant. I had to
look at words in my dialogue.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Have you found though, that like the older you got,
the more of a risk taker you became with your performance,
because that was that's one hundred percent true for me.
It's like the self consciousness of my youth started to
go away, and I started to feel a lot more free.
Like the Nino Too and O reboot. It didn't do well,
(10:35):
but I could not be happier with my performance because
I tried something completely different.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
No, I feel like I'm always kind of on that
treadmill to be better and do better. And yeah, like
I haven't met a performance I'm satisfied with yet.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Anyway, this is an episode about the fact that House
of Hellowell is coming back. It is it is coming
back to iHeart, so more people will have access to it.
You don't have to join a thing, you don't have
to pay extra money, you don't have any of that.
(11:24):
Like if we do an episode about you know, bloopers, outtakes, whatever,
they're there for everybody to say yes, and I am joining,
you are joining, to be clear, And we're starting from
season one episode one.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Well, people rewatch it a lot, so we're going to
rewatch the rewatch reboot take two hashtag take two.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, I'm excited for it.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I'm nervous because now I have to be twice the
interesting that I don't feel that I am. So It'll
be fine. Stop being so self deprecating. This is a habit.
It'll be fine, It'll be good. It'll be great.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It is great. Listen, the four of us have a
lot of chemistry. Yes, Brian Kraus is back. Yes, True
Fuller is back. It's the exact same show. You guys
just added me. Perhaps I added myself. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I think you did. But you waited till the right moment.
You let us prove ourselves. Put it that way.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
No, I just wanted to make sure that we all got.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Paid and that too.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I was like, nobody should do anything for free in
life because it's time consuming.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
It is, and it's you know, like I said, it's
opening Pandora's box. I know for me there is a
ton of emotions there. I knew there will be for
you that you don't even know about yet. But what's
funny is it's been long enough that you can watch
it now with fresh eyes.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And like you were texting me about who should actually
be Piper's boyfriend and who had Kim's and who didn't. Yeah,
but what's funny is you were texting it to me
in lifetime when I was like, this is for the podcast,
please silence, silence, But it was true.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Like I watched that episode and I was like, oh,
the chemistry between you and this person was so amazing,
Like it jumped off the screen. It was that like powerful,
like oh my god, why didn't they stay together?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
They're amazing as opposed to you know, like Beth's husband, right,
super complicated. Yeah, but people love it, so you can't.
I didn't talk poorly of Piper and Leo.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
By the way. I think you guys were good. He
wasn't like he was there in that episode. Maybe I
don't remember. All I see is John Show so freaking GOODBK.
But forever you guys did great together. You guys also
had chemistry. Hints why he was there the entire time.
(13:59):
It just really hit me rewatching episodes and guys, so
what we have to do, what Holly, Drew and Brian
have been doing for well over a year two years,
is you have to like rewatch And for people like
Colley and I who do not like watching ourselves at all,
it's a very weird job.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It is, and it's a lot of emotions. But like
I said to you, I do see why people got
absorbed into this fantasy life and how important it is
because you know, when I do the rewatch, I yell
at my kids not to text me, like, please stop
texting me. I'm doing something important here, right, you know,
So it is. It's still important to me, it's important
to a lot of people. And I think you and
(14:43):
I will both say that it's incredible that it still
is meaningful to people. Yes, it is incredible.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I also because I watched it, and essentially it's the
first time I've ever watched chart right, Like, I never
watched an episode except the ones I directed together in
the edit room. I was really impressed, and I felt
like the connection between the sisters and I felt that
(15:11):
like family unit and people who you know, they didn't
have anybody anymore, like Graham's died mom was dead, the
father was you know, iffy at times, and so they
had each other. That was their their nucleus. And I
really felt that in rewatching it, and was like, of
(15:33):
course people connected to this because you're connecting to that
feeling of family. And if you are struggling with your
own family, with your own identity or anything else, you
can compare yourself to those characters who also struggled with
their own identity and struggled with who they were, but
always had one another. And that's important. So I get it.
(15:57):
I get one hundred percent why people can with the
show so much.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, and it's you know, from doing the conventions one
dy four this year to hear people say I had
a really abusive family life and this was my one
hour of peace. And to hear people say, you know,
I watched this with my mom and she just passed away.
Can you sign this picture to her?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And me?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
You know, it's I can't even comprehend it, and I
don't think I every will. It was terribly important to me,
as you know, you're probably the only one that knows
how important it was.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
To me, as important as it was to me. Like
we we really went in there, the two of us, going,
this is an important show. We want to make the
absolute best. We were very serious yeah about it, particularly
that first season establishing ourselves. We were you know, you
and I would constantly go and like either your trailer
(16:55):
or my trailer and have conversations and go through the
scenes and like, Okay, this feels odd, or this feels odd.
Maybe you know, we need to change this to this
It might as well have been like another David Kelly
show on HBO. We looked at it, yeah, super seriously
such a serious manner, which I think was amazing because
(17:17):
it's why the show, you know, shifted and why it stayed.
And all I can really speak about is the first
three seasons because that's the only ones that I was
part of. But it, for the most part, it stayed
very entrenched in reality. Even though we were dealing with
all of these like demons and warlocks and blah blah blah,
(17:37):
it still felt real. Yeah, you know, and the family
aspect of it, for me was a big deal because
you know that I don't have a big family, and
you know that we became like family even before the show,
So family is obviously what you make it. And clearly
I'm sitting here today, Oh don't shut up.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
It's the same for other people too. Hey, thank you
very much, and good night.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
No, I know it's the same I got. I get
a lot of that as well as you know, and
I get a lot of people, a lot of gay
men who are like I was really struggling with who
I was and my identity and connecting with the sisters
and how they struggled. But then they they embraced it.
They you know, weren't scared off being witches and it
(18:27):
made me feel comfortable enough to come out and talk
to my parents about it. That is a huge honor
to be a part of somebody's of life in that
capacity and to have helped them in any way, shape
or form.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, it's really it's a very happy, fortunate circumstance that
we didn't We weren't able to have many openly gay
characters on the show because the network would just not
allow it at the time. And I remember when I
got pretty pretty little liars, I was like, are we
allowed to do this on television now because we weren't before.
On Picket Fences, I did the first lesbian teenage kiss
(19:03):
and that was a huge problem for the network at
the time, and they blacked it out and all the
other things. Really, yeah, and so having this very fortunate
circumstance where people did feel like it related to them
in a way where we couldn't be ourselves outwardly. It
(19:24):
was relatable in being in the closet and how difficult
that was, and it really did help many many people
in a way that I think if we were to
reboot it, we would address those things in ways that
we weren't allowed to before.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Greed agreed there's a lot there. Even though there are
things that we weren't allowed to do. It was just,
you know, the time. I mean, your best friend is
a gay man. My best friend is a gay man,
right in real life, you guys, right like in real life?
You know. Yeah, my best friend who I also call
(19:59):
my husband at this point, he calls me his wife.
But it's weird that we weren't able to address it
in that day and age during Charmed.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
You wasn't allowed.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, you weren't allowed. I mean, we never had one
gay characterrawing them no ooh, that's pretty crazy to think about.
But they were able to connect with us. And how
the sisters band together and you know, didn't immediately take
to being witches and then eventually did. That's that's a
(20:33):
really beautiful, beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah. And I mean, you know when kids say, you know,
I woke up with you or I raced home to
see the show and thank goodness for T and T
because that's where most people saw it. There was one
woman at the last convention I was at in Boston
that said, I actually got a speeding ticket because of
(20:58):
you guys, because I was home to see the episode.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, bless her. It's pretty amazing. Oh, I said, I
hope it was worth it. He should have been a
Charmed fan and been like, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Jeez. Well that's when you had to actually be there
to see something, you know, instead of binge watching, which
you just did four episodes you binged.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
On it was actually five episodes. Yeah, because Piper's soulmate
is poor, I mean episode five. The only note I
have is why is Piper doubting Prue after all she
has seen? Like what's funny is that when I watch them,
I'm always like, why are they doing this to Prue?
Like it's so defensive of my character that like almost
(21:43):
all my notes are about Prue are about Prue.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
It's like that's hysterical.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I just I'm gonna probably gonna watch more episodes. Now
we're going to do it together. Well, you're going to
go through all my my terrible notes with me a
terrible commentary. I mean, I actually think I should like
watch them again because being the first time I've ever
watched Charmed, you're watching for Prue, right, I'm watching for Prue,
(22:11):
and now I need to like go in and watch
for the entire thing. You have the different nuances, Yeah
that happened with the show, and hear my commentary, which
is and hear your commentary, which is funny because we'll
probably argue about it and then one of us will
look at the other and be like, we got.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
To save it for the podcast, right. We can do
watch parties. Those are fun too, live action. Really, how
do you do a watch party? You literally play it
and we just get to talk over ourselves. Wow, and
people like it and they send in comments so you
can answer them too, oh like as you're yeah, oh,
that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
It is like my favorite thing on doing this podcast
is doing like the Q and A right exactly. I
just love responding to it, and so you have to
learn like how to do that during an episode. Though
It's totally fine. It's totally fine. I mean, you know, listen,
(23:13):
I think to be really upfront and honest, I'm you know,
nervous about it because you guys are you know, very established,
and you three have a really good sort of rapport
with each other on the podcast, and so I worry
about coming on right now of people's reaction, you know,
(23:33):
like are they going to say, wow, it was so
much better without Shannon. But it's because I'm always expecting rejection.
It sure's the thing or something. You can't please everybody
all the time.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
So there is that. And you know, at this point,
I feel like the less social media happening in my life,
the better. Yeah, And you just have to be true
to yourself and true to our you know, audience, and
you know why we're here and what it means, and
you know it means a lot to us. And that's
the thing is, I don't think people ever realized what
(24:08):
a heart project it was for us. So there's that.
And I think your memories and your interpretation of things,
you know, it is much more artistic than mine. Also,
like I'm just the one they're bleeding emotions. But you
were very much invested in what the show looked like. Yeah,
(24:29):
and the lighting and obviously then you directed, so it's
a different perspective.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I wanted it to have a very specific look, and
you know, the presentation was a lot more represented as dark. Yeah,
it was dark, and the show overall was darker. It
was a much more serious, much more dramatic, like grounded show.
And I loved that because you know, coming from drama,
(24:57):
you coming from drama, so yeah, I there were certain
episodes that were like too bright or to this or
to that. The camera didn't move properly. Somebody didn't want
to you steady cam, and that would always upset me
because I was like, no, no, no, we can do better.
We can push. Let's push, let's push, like stop putting
the camera on sticks and have it being static, like
(25:20):
move in like do something like you guys have zooms,
you have this, you have that, Like, let's get going.
Let's let's make it different and original and look really
good while you were crying. Yeah, but I was also.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Really uncomfortable with being funny. I didn't think I was funny.
You were very funny. I didn't. I still don't think
I'm funny and so and I think you kind of
came from the same sort of background where you know,
we're super comfortable doing the dramatic, the heavy dramatic stuff,
but being funny, being light and making fun of yourself
(25:55):
was almost difficult, and I think harshly, because we knew
each other before, it was easier to be light and
to be like feel like you're like in a safe space.
So if you make fun of yourself or you do
something goofy that it didn't feel so much so much
like acting. It was like just being like normal girls,
(26:18):
which I think is a very big appeal to the
show is that these are like girls hanging out together. Yeah,
and this is what girls do. And I don't think
if it wasn't you, if it wasn't me, that we
would have been able to do that.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I agree. I think that we, you know, we're able
to bring that out in each other because we'd been
through so much prior that we had you know, we
obviously had that connection. We were besties, we were all
of that, so we were able to kind of you know,
wink wink, nudge nudge each other. I also think because
Alyssa came from comedy, so she was instantly the more
(26:58):
like lighter one that looks for those like joke moments
and to make something light, that she allowed us to
be lighter as well. I mean I always still dug
into like the drama you did. I freakin loved it
so much. I was like anytime there was a script
where it was Prue was crying and I was like,
(27:18):
yay when score. I don't know who wants to go
to set and like cry for fourteen hours. But I did.
I loved it. But you know what's funny is, like
I watched rewatching now you were actually very funny and
how your character starts and you're you know, the tilt
of your head, the eyebrow twitch that you have, like
(27:41):
all of it is so hyper. Yeah, it's just so
like it's endearing. You're very endearing on the show. Not
in real life, but no, in real life, you're horrible,
pain in the pain in the ass.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
True story.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
So my hope, okay, is that Hoops and Dreams people
are happy that I joined. I'm sure they were happy
that it moved to iHeart.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I know you told me not to tell people, but
I have told a few people and they were really
happy with them.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Really. Yeah, you chose the non hater stuff. And I
know that I'm thrilled to be a part of it.
I know that, you know, watching it for the first
time has been really interesting for me, and I don't know,
it's cool, like we're getting to work together again in
(28:33):
a different capacity. Yeah, and I kind of direct me though, Yes,
I mean, I'm for sure a director and you forever
think I can do better, which sometimes I cannot. No,
whenever I was directing and I said you could do better.
You always did better every single time. Every time you
(28:53):
always did better, You dug deeper and figured out. I
don't know it was me pushing you or humiliating you sometimes,
but and you're the only one that I would have
done that with. I would never have directed anybody else
like that. But because we knew each other for so long,
I felt like I just knew what you were capable of.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Well, you have seen the depths of my despair, yes,
very much so. Yes, when it comes to abusive husbands,
when it comes to very very gritty, awful life stuff,
you have seen that.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And I wanted you to dig there, to go to
the place that nobody wants to go to at all.
It's like buried inside with a little lock. But I
wanted you to unlock it and dig for it so
that it could also be used in your performance. And
whenever you did that, it was the performance that I
was blown away by. All Right, that's all, folks, that's all, folks,
(29:51):
So thanks for joining. Let's be Clara Shannan Doherty and
Holly Maray Combs looking forward. I am to seeing your
guys action to the House of Hallowell Holly, thanks for
being here with me. Sure you can now eat pizza.
We're gonna eat pizza now and probably watch some Charmed at.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Least two episodes.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
At least two episodes. All right home or we love
you guys, See you soon.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Blessed be
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