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It is Friday, June twenty first, twenty twenty four, and
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A black Colorado family once the Aurora officer who shot
their relative, an unarmed black man, charged with his murder.
The family's attorney will explain what happened to Kylin Lewis.

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Speaker 13 (07:15):
The family of a Colorado black man who was holding
a cell phone when an Aurora swat officer family shot
him once. The officer charged with the murder following the
public release of portions of body footage of the shooting.
Thirty seven year old Kylin Lewis was shot as officers
tried to arrest him on May twenty third. The officers,

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who appeared to get out of unmarked vehicles are heard
on the video shouting at him to get on the ground.
After taking a few steps next to his car and
putting his hand right behind his back.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Lewis appears to surrender, raising his arms in the air.

Speaker 13 (07:50):
Now, we're about to show you about a twelve second
second police video camp cam, and it may be disturbing for.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
Some of you to watch.

Speaker 12 (07:59):
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Speaker 3 (08:12):
All right.

Speaker 13 (08:13):
Attorney Ed Hopkins is representing the Lewis family, and he
joins us now to talk about the situation and what
the next steps he is taking with the family.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
Thank you so much for being with us today.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Thank you for having me on allowing me to talk
to everyone about this important case.

Speaker 5 (08:28):
Absolutely, and it is an important case.

Speaker 13 (08:29):
But for those people who haven't been quite caught up
on some of the details, what are some of the
things you are now going to bring in front of
a court eventually in terms of filing a complaint a
lawsuit that you believe will make your family's voice be heard.

Speaker 6 (08:47):
Well, a couple of things.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Number One, the entire tactics that they use to stop
Kylin Lewis couldn't be more incompetent. It was from of
the worst policing that we have ever seen in this
state of Colorado. We are going to investigate their training
because we are confident that they do not have adequate training,
because no one should be that incompetent when they're policing

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people in the city of Aurora.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
Their incompetence is deadly.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Number Two, it was clear that Kylin Lewis had raised
his hands before he was shot. We are also investigating
what appears to be some statements that he made prior
to raising his hands. It sounds as though but we
need to get the most accurate body cam to determine
for sure.

Speaker 6 (09:33):
It sounds as though he says, hold up.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Dude, I don't have a gun, and then his hands
are up and then Officer Dick shoots him. That shot
follows him to the ground, and then he starts saying,
I don't got nothing. I don't have nothing.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
We can't see yet what kind.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
Of CPR they administered, because we haven't gotten all the
bodycam footage, but we expect to see a similar amount
of incompetence with the CBR when we get the whole footage.

Speaker 13 (10:04):
So, you know, we talk about so many things, from
training to certainly immunity, and we'll get to that point,
but let's talk about training for a moment. In this
particular situation, in what way do you think training could
have helped. Because the training that many have when they
are on the other end of police officers is to
let them know what you are doing, to inform them
that I'm reaching for a phone, and to inform them.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
I don't have a gun, which in this situation, it
did not solve the problem.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
Well, here they were barking commands.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
There were at least two officers barking different commands that
Kylin Lewis. One officer said, get on the ground. He
yelled that to him. The other officer just.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
Was saying, calmly, hands, hands, as if.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
He was calmly getting ready to do something to Kylin Lewis.
Now both of these commands coming at him at one time.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
That's incompetence.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
There should have been one officer talking, One officer should
alerted mister Lewis as to what was happening. One officer
should have tried to make sure everyone was calm. But
here's something that's very important. These officers have been following
Kylin Lewis for two days. They chose the place, the time,
the manner, Every aspect of that encounter was up to them.

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They say that they waited until the safest possible moment
to make that encounter. Before they got out of their cars,
they had an opportunity to see every aspect of Kylin
Lewis's waste.

Speaker 6 (11:25):
They could verify and did verify that there was no
gun there.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
How they can now argue that they had the belief
that some type of gun magically appeared and just happened
to be a cell phone.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
Is ludicrous. So it's incompetence, but it is something more sinister.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
In our opinion, we believe that the Aurora Police Department
is just committed to failing to protect black men in
the city of Aurora. They are not doing an adequate
job of ensuring the right kind of police officers or police.

Speaker 6 (11:52):
In the communities because this key's happening.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
It happened in twenty nineteen with Elijah McClain who was
shown to death, and then in twenty fifteen it happened
to the Challis Carter. He was shot under almost the
same circumstances that Kyler Lewis was shot this year.

Speaker 13 (12:07):
So we're talking about forty eight hours of casing, and
as you said, they thought that this was the most
opportune time to actually make this particular arrest. I think
what's interesting is, as you said, they had time to
really plan every single detail as they were casing Kyland,
and then really messed it up by, as you said,

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having so many oh yes, oh yes, yeah, more than
messed up, certainly, But I mean in terms of the
procedure that they had, nothing was in control, even though
they had a whole forty eight hours to get all
of that in order. I think that's one of the
most stunning things about this case.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
It is one of the most stunning that just goes
to show how flippiand they are flippant they are with
black lives in Aurora. We are confident that when we
get their training records, we're going to see great deficiencies.
We're not going to see them getting training and these
types of encounters because you can't be that incompetent. If
you are getting adequate training, you have to know that

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only one of you should be talking. You have to
know that you should have some hands. Folks get out
and try to de escalate once you have verified that
he doesn't have a gun. There was just no excuse
for the way that they encountered Kylin Lewis. Here's something
else that we want the public to be fully aware of.
When they made contact with Kylon Lewis, they had time.

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They had time to look at every aspect of his body.
He was wearing jeans, he was wearing a T shirt.
There was no way that they couldn't verify that he
had or had not a gun. They knew he didn't
have a gun. And moreover, when they decided to take
the shot, only one of them took the shot. All
the other officers saw exactly what Officer Dieck saw, and

(13:50):
they decided not to take the shot. The reason why
they didn't take the shot is because there was no justification.
They didn't feel their lives were in danger because they
saw what we saw. It was a phone in his hand.

Speaker 6 (14:00):
They heard what we heard.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
He had surrendered and he was saying, I don't have
a gun. Despite all of that, officer distilled far as
a shop.

Speaker 13 (14:09):
And so I would imagine that in terms of a lawsuit,
there would be a violation of civil rights. What are
some of the other things that you discussed with this
family that you want to see happen in this lawsuit
and as a result of it, wrongful.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Death, violation of civil rights, all of those are going
to be a part of the lawsuit. We also want
some institutional changes, but we're having some difficulty getting through
to the Aurora Police Department here in the state of Colorado.
In twenty fifteen, after they killed Nashotte Vincent, who was
unarmed at the time, they promised to fix it. They
didn't fix it. In twenty nineteen, they killed Elijah McClain.

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The Attorney General had to go investigate the city of
a Urori's police department. They got into a consent decree
and a concept decree is being monitored as we speak.
They were supposed to be working on fixing this, and
it happened again every couple of years.

Speaker 6 (14:58):
They're killing an unarmedlack.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Every couple of years, despite the promise to fix it, despite.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
The consent decree. So at this point we can't rely
on them promising to fix anything.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
We're just going to have to focus on making these
economic incentives as powerful as possible and trying to persuade
the voting populace of the city of Aurora to replace
their leadership and possibly outsource their policing because the police
they have now are failing.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
And do you see that as a viable solution before
we hit the break, that outsourcing that police officers would
be a solution here.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
Yeah, they need to end over the job to somebody
who's competent, somebody who's trained, somebody who can keep people alive.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
The Swap Team was involved here.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
The Swap Team specializes in saving lives and protecting lives.
They come out so that you keep people alive. They
don't come out to murder people like this, So they
need better police. These police aren't cutting it. Moreover, they're
making things deadly for Aurora citizens, particularly black men.

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Back talking with the attorney of the family for Kylin
Lewis out in Colorado.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
I am joined now by panelists Matt Manning, he is a.

Speaker 13 (19:14):
Civil rights attorney out of Corpus Christy, Texas. Kelly Bethia,
a communications strategist she comes to us out of Washington,
d C. And Michael in Hope Tech in Hotech, hosts
of the African History Network show in Detroit, Michigan.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
Thank you all for being with us. I want to
open up the floor now and I'll start with you
with Kelly for a question for a.

Speaker 22 (19:37):
Sure So when it comes to the racial bias that
was clear in this predicament, how how much how much
training do you think is necessary until we come to
the consensus that there needs to be an overhaul of

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the system.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
They have to say, I'm not afraid to say it.
I don't think the training is going to fix it.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
I think the only solution when you fail this many times,
this consistently, when you're killing this many black men every
couple of years, you're going to have to get more
black officers. You're just going to have to make more
black officers police the community. Black officers don't kill black
men as frequently as these white officers. Everybody's thinking that,
I'm going to say it, So I think that's the

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solution that we need to start looking.

Speaker 6 (20:27):
At because everything we've been doing in the past has failed.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
They're supposed to be checking the box, getting this type
of cultural anti bias training, they're still killing black men
and they're still incompetent. So I think we need more
black officers out there who understand what they're looking at.
These white officers don't appear to understand what they're seeing.
They're fearful and they don't understand. They don't have the
cultural competence to do safe policing.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
And before I go to Matt, what you're saying is
that they don't kill as much. We know that they
do kill sometimes saying.

Speaker 13 (21:00):
That in the scheme of things, when we break down
the statistics that they killed at a very much lower rate.

Speaker 6 (21:06):
Yes, we're going to have a higher likelihood that you're
going to be dealing with.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
A culturally competent officer who's going to understand what he's
dealing with.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
Who is going to be less fearful, who is not
going to have in the back of his mind.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
This is a big black man, and I need to
pull this trigger as fast as possible. You need people
when they look at this black man that they see
somebody that they would see at a family reunion. They're
not going to be as frightened and they're not going
to be as quick with that trigger.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
All right, Matt.

Speaker 23 (21:32):
Question, Yeah, First, Ed, let me thank you for doing
this important work. I do it myself, and I appreciate
other shoulder in the burden. I have really a two
part question for you. The first is what is the
effect of Colorado's recent promulgation of that limitation on qualified immunity?
I mean, as it relates to how you're looking at
the case and how you approach a case like this

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where officers would customarily claim qualified immunity. And the second
question for you is what is the kortance to you
of this being a squat officer as opposed to an
officer who's a normal patrol officer, considering they usually get
way more training and in this instance, as you've already said,
this officer shot and a number standing around did not shoot,

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which to me goes to the unreasonableness of it.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Kind of per se, what are your thoughts in those
two respects you're.

Speaker 6 (22:19):
Talking about SB two seventeen.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Colorado might be leading the nation with respect to the
level of accountability that we're able to hold these officers
when they do things like this.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
So we do plan to take advantage of this new law.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
And this new law is going to limit or eliminate
qualified amenity in this case once we can show that
this officer did not have an objective reasonable basis to
be fearful for his life or to be fearful that
any of his colleagues were going to be endangered. Once
we establish that, SB two seventeen is going to enable
us not only hold the Aurora Police Department accountable, but

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also the officer accountable individually.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
So they're not going to be able to run away
from this. So that's the law that you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
We think is going to give us an extra tool
to try to hold them accountable. As you well know,
it's difficult. It's difficult to hold them accountable in other
states that don't have a law like SB two seventeen. Now,
when you're talking about the swat team officer. I am
as concerned as you are. I don't know why everybody
in the city of Aurora isn't outraged. These are supposed

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to be the most highly trained officers on their police force.
These are the ones who are supposed to get the
most hours. These are the ones who have the best body,
the best gear. They are the safest that are designed.
Their whole team is designed to keep things safe. And
when that still is not enough to prevent them from

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killing a black man in cold blood? What are the
citizens of the city of Aurora supposed to think when
the very best you have to offer is killing black
men in cold blood after they put their hands up.
What are you supposed to think? This is becoming modern
equivalent of a sundown time.

Speaker 24 (24:04):
Michael all right, Attorney Ed Hopkins, thanks for coming on
and sharing this with you at a quick comment and
a question, so you know I've been saying on this show,
I totally agree with you.

Speaker 8 (24:15):
We need more.

Speaker 24 (24:16):
We need more right minded African American police officers with
a guardian mentality, not a warrior mentality, because there are
two types of mentalities. The guardian mentality sees people especially
African Americans as those who need to be protected, whereas
the warrior mentality sees them as people who need to
be You need to enforce laws upon them, they need
to be policed.

Speaker 8 (24:37):
So I totally agree with you on that.

Speaker 24 (24:39):
One of the questions I had was I couldn't find
out how many officers were on the scene because I
know only one officer fired a shot. Do we know
in total how many officers were on the scene.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
We've gotten mixed news.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
It's four to six, so we can see at least
four in the body cam that we've been able to see.
At least one is still inside the car, so we
think that's at least five. But when we talk with
the City of Aurora, the police department, they have given
us between four and six. Four jumped out of the
two unmarked vehicles and only one shot the weapon. Now

(25:13):
I think two of them had ar fifteens and I
think the one who shot he was using.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
A nine ovader.

Speaker 8 (25:19):
Okay. Can I ask a follow up question, Candide?

Speaker 25 (25:22):
Absolutely?

Speaker 8 (25:24):
Okay.

Speaker 24 (25:25):
So and reading the article from the Associated Press, it
said that the officers were there to an arrest want
was issued for Kyler Lewis, who was suspected of being
involved in the May fifth shooting in Denver. So, now,
have you been able to verify that the arrest warrant
was valid, that they maybe they have the wrong person.

(25:48):
What is there any information regarding that and do they
I'm not an expert on issuing arrest warrants, but if
you know, people jump out of an unmarked police car
and nobody is wearing a police uniform pointing guns at me,
you know I'm going to be scared.

Speaker 8 (26:04):
So is there any insight you can give us into that.

Speaker 6 (26:07):
I can give you a lot of insight.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
We're investigating the circumstances under which that warrant was actually issued.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
We have a copy of the warrant.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Unfortunately it's a heavily redacted copy, but here's a couple
of the highlights. One of the things that you see
in the warrant is that the person who allegedly who
allegedly was the one that they spoke with, is someone
who claims himself to be legally blind.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
Let me say that one more time. The person that
they're using as a witness told him that he was
legally blind.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
He didn't, at any point in time tell them that
he saw Kylin Lewis shoot him. He said that he
was shot, but there are other circumstances that they are
aware of, and those circumstances indicate that there was someone
else on the scene who had a gun that was
not Kylin Lewis.

Speaker 6 (26:55):
There's no one who saw Kylin Lewis shoot a weapon,
and the.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
Person who bushed does not know and he says as much,
he does not know who shot him. I do not
know why that was a sufficient amount of information to
issue a warrant for mister Lewis, but we're going to
be looking into it, and we are following up investigating
the actual circumstances that led to the warrant, and we
have already uncovered some suspicious activity.

Speaker 26 (27:20):
And all of that is unsettling and ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
I am wondering if you have had.

Speaker 13 (27:25):
Conversations with police officers or anybody from the Aurora Police
Department about this at all, what those conversations are like.
If you can share with us anything that they're telling
you at this time to move the needle on one
way or.

Speaker 6 (27:38):
The other, well, they're not talking very much to us
at this point. They're in the process of trying to
spend this in their favor.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
One thing Aurora Police Department does very well is protect
its own, so they do that better than they protect
black man.

Speaker 6 (27:52):
So they're not communicating with us freely.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
In fact, we are still waiting for the Aurora Police
Department to release all the records that we have demanded
under a state law. They have twenty one days, but
they don't have to wait twenty one days to fulfill
our demand for those records. They're going to wait, we suspect,
until the very last day. And the reason why is
because there's something on that bodycam. There's something on that

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bodycam they don't want us to see, and they want
at least a week of news cycle to.

Speaker 6 (28:20):
Try to spend this propagain as much as they can.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
To get as many people misled and on their side
as they can before the facts come out.

Speaker 13 (28:28):
All right, well ed, I'm sure as more information comes
we will have you back so you can give us
a full update on what is going on with this case.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
One, and thank you for being with us, and thank
you for your work this evening.

Speaker 6 (28:39):
Thank you for having me in.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
One last word, this man should have been arrested on
May twenty third, the officer who shot Kailan Lewis committed murder.
You should have been arrested on May twenty third, or
our police department let us down by letting him go on.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
That's all I wanted to say.

Speaker 26 (28:56):
All right, and again thank you.

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Have a good evening, you too, all right more Roland
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Today, the Supreme Court ruled that the government has the
authority to disarm those who have a restraining order against
them for domestic violence. The case centered around a nineteen
ninety four law bar in people for the subject of
domestic violence restraining orders from possessing guns. Sabrina Talufter, the
director of the Women's Initiative at the Center for American

(33:00):
pinds me to discuss just how significant is ruling is.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
Sabrina, thank you.

Speaker 25 (33:04):
So much for being with us, Hi, thank you so
much for having me. Yes.

Speaker 13 (33:09):
Indeed, so when we look at this case, this certainly
is a turnaround for what was on record by the
Supreme Court two years ago when it came to giving
people the right to have guns.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
What does this essentially mean?

Speaker 13 (33:21):
Because we have Justice Thomas who was the only dissenter here,
and he said, look, this is not in the Constitution
in terms of domestic violence and taking away the rights
of those who want guns is not fair.

Speaker 32 (33:36):
Well, what happened today is that the Supreme Court issued
or ruling that essentially provided more guard.

Speaker 25 (33:41):
Rails to the Bruin test that came out a year ago.

Speaker 32 (33:44):
In the brilliant legal test, the Supreme Court said that
if they're that in order for a gun the safety
law to be constitutional, that there needs to be an
historical analogous law to it from the eighteenth century when
the Constitution was drafted.

Speaker 25 (34:02):
And for the first time in.

Speaker 32 (34:05):
Supreme Court history, that meant that something like public interest
and important government regulation was no longer considered when it
came to firearm regulation. And so the Bruin test that
came out really just changed the game and completely upended
legal president when it came to gun safety laws. And

(34:25):
what we saw today in Rahimi is the Supreme Court majority,
in an eight to one decision, said that the law
that exists from the eighteenth century doesn't have to be
an exact twin. It only has to be analogous. So
today the court said that there were laws in the
eighteenth century that prevented people who society deemed violent from

(34:49):
owning guns, and that's good enough to find a rational
basis for a firearm regulation to date that we really
have to keep talking about because it's such an effective
and sensible gun violence prevention law. States that use this
law have seen a twenty seven percent reduction and intimate

(35:09):
partner homicides. And within the reality is that the only
reason that survivor safety was questioned, and then this law
that's been on the book for thirty years was questioned
is because the Supreme Court upended legal President.

Speaker 25 (35:25):
Last year on a win in creating this new test.

Speaker 13 (35:28):
Yeah, and it certainly has had the attention of everybody
since then because it seems to make better sense.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
Obviously the way that they decided today.

Speaker 13 (35:37):
What they were saying essentially is that listen, we were
necessarily dealing with domestic violence, and even if we were,
men would have had more rights years ago anyway when
the Constitution was made. But be that as it may,
we know that if someone is in harm's way, that
that person who may be putting that person into harm's
way should not have a gun. It's just sensical, even

(35:59):
though it does not spell out specifically as an originalist
would understand it, to say specifically.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
That that is the case.

Speaker 13 (36:06):
A lot of people have been talking about the impact
of this on Hunter Biden's case. I think he's letting
out a bit of a sigh today because this doesn't.

Speaker 6 (36:14):
Work in his favor.

Speaker 25 (36:17):
Well, I think that, you know, what's happening with Hunter
Biden is really a separate issue because this case, this
you know us rhemia, is really about domestic violence survivors.

Speaker 32 (36:28):
And again, I think that's something that we needed to
keep talking about because domestic violence is exceptionally interconnected to
gun violence, and whether or not firearms are in the
home is an entirely different question. Weapons can be used,
firearms can be used as weapons of coercive control. And
what's really interesting about USB or a HEEME is that

(36:51):
there are a lot of opinions in this decision, and
none of the opinions agree with one another, just as
Soda Mayora and Jessics Kagan in their concurring opinion brought
up something that you just said that this you know,
we are bringing back laws from a time where women
did not have the right to vote, where women were
considered property, where marginalized communities were not given a meaningful

(37:13):
seat at the table. And she has an incredible quote
which she says that this handstrings our democracy. And again
that's exactly what the sum quote is doing. By upending
legal precedent and politicizing the judiciary, they're putting the safety
of marginalized communities at risk.

Speaker 13 (37:31):
And so what are your thoughts about I guess you know,
there have been so many lower court decisions that looked
to previous precedent, and now they're on record.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
I would imagine that a lot.

Speaker 13 (37:44):
Of people are feeling a lot more at ease to
maybe come back with their restraining.

Speaker 26 (37:47):
Orders to make sure that their person, that the person who.

Speaker 13 (37:50):
Might be putting them in harm's way, does not have
the right to keep that gun that they were able
to get years ago.

Speaker 32 (37:58):
Absolutely, there was a great article on the New York
Times today about a day on the call with the
National Domestic Violence Hotline, and this case just caused so
much confusion, and this case has been in process for
a while you know, almost two years, I mean sorry,
over a year and a half. And it's caused so
much confusion for survivors, for case managers, for state and

(38:22):
local officials on how to manage this problem that we
have domestic violence and gun violence and it's just so common.
And you know, we know that nearly two thirds of
all mass shootings between twenty fourteen and twenty nineteen occurred
during a domestic violence incident. We know that the presence
of a firearm in the home during a domestic rounds

(38:43):
incident increases the risk of death fivefold.

Speaker 25 (38:46):
And we know that women of color by the brunt
of all of this. And what I'm hoping is not
that you.

Speaker 32 (38:54):
Know, survivors rush to the courtroom within flood the courtroom
with order to protection.

Speaker 25 (39:00):
And I'm hoping that this signals to gun lobbyists and to.

Speaker 32 (39:06):
People who viewed Bruin to be a case that allow
them to do whatever they want, that they can't do,
that that there are guard rails now and the Supreme
Court cannot be owned by gun lobbyists.

Speaker 13 (39:19):
Yeah, and you know, I think that the implications before
I go to the panel is they are widespread. As
you said, you can't just own a gun just because
of the Second Amendment. They are going to be guidelines
the same way that we have guidelines on the First Amendment,
right that we all have to follow depending upon where
we are and when we are saying something. But with

(39:42):
that in mind, we're talking about a case that is
precedent that's not just going to affect those that have
a temporary restraining order against them, but anybody who is
believed to be unsafe enough to have a gun.

Speaker 26 (39:58):
And that's why I mentioned Hunter Biden, because.

Speaker 13 (40:02):
If he was an addict or any attic that has
a gun, that person probably would be deemed that it's
not in their favor and the best interests of the
public at large for them to.

Speaker 9 (40:11):
Actually own a gun.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
All right, Well, with that in mind, I want.

Speaker 26 (40:14):
To open up to the panel.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
I want to start with you, Matt questioned for our
guest today.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
For breaking this down.

Speaker 23 (40:22):
I'm actually here in Texas, and I guess something I
missed with this is what was the court's discussion in
the dicta or otherwise about due process? Because obviously the
way it works with a protective order what we call
it in Texas or a restraining order, is that there's
a finding by the judge of a likelihood of continued
domestic violence, and that was my concern on how they

(40:43):
were going to address this. So how did they address
the due process concerns as it relates to this.

Speaker 32 (40:50):
Sure So, I'm a former public defender from New York
and I can talk about this all day, but this
actually doesn't pertain to the due process issues that happen
at criminal court or in civil.

Speaker 25 (41:02):
Court or in a county court. Eighteen Usc. Nine two
G eight is a completely.

Speaker 32 (41:07):
Separate federal law that does not deal with the due
process issues that happen at the basic municipal court level.

Speaker 25 (41:15):
And so what happens is that what happens with an
order protection is dealt with this.

Speaker 32 (41:21):
Separately completely by the criminal, civil, or family a judge
within that county. However, if someone is found to have
an order protection or they have violated that.

Speaker 9 (41:37):
Protection, that.

Speaker 32 (41:41):
It has been extremely effective for the last thirty years
in reducing intimate partner homicide is because a separate core
determines that this individual has something that makes them dangerous
to another individual, and because of that, after triggering the
federal law.

Speaker 25 (42:00):
This takes away their second amendment.

Speaker 32 (42:02):
I'm sorry, not takes away, but this intersects with the
Second Amendment issue.

Speaker 8 (42:07):
Can I ask a follow up?

Speaker 5 (42:09):
You sure can go ahead back, and.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
I'm sorry interrupt that.

Speaker 23 (42:12):
I think I maybe asked the question the wrong way,
because essentially what I was asking is, did they address
the fact that the Separate Court, having found there was
the basis to protect the survivor was did they discuss that,
I guess as opposed to the historical underpinnings, because that
would be the due process concern, right.

Speaker 32 (42:30):
Not because this isn't an issue of constitutional due process
or criminal procedure. Even that was actually an argument that
the NRA made in their amates screens to the Supreme
Court that maybe there's an issue of due process here. However,
because this is based on the Bruin test, and the
Bruin test determines the constitutionality of a gun safety law,

(42:51):
that is what the Supreme Court's framework and analysis is
based on.

Speaker 25 (42:56):
It's not really in the concurring opinions.

Speaker 32 (42:57):
It's not really in the descent because it then we're
determining the constitutionality under the Second Amendment of the law. Now,
whether or not there are Fourth Amendment to process issues.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Got you Thank you very much, Kelly.

Speaker 33 (43:13):
So, and it's been a minute since I studied this,
so forgive me.

Speaker 22 (43:18):
Are are there levels of scrutiny in place based off
of this decision regarding who exactly within the Is it
on a situational business or is there like levels of
scrutiny as to whether the Second Amendment rights are infringed upon?
And I asked this because on its base the law,

(43:41):
the decision seems sound right. But my concern is because
of racial bias or personal bias against the the the
purported offender, that you know, somebody's rights are taken away
based off of something that is it necessarily domestic violence?

Speaker 33 (44:02):
Am I making sense?

Speaker 9 (44:03):
I don't want to make, but.

Speaker 32 (44:06):
Absolutely understand what you're saying. And I'm so happy that
you brought that up. So I think what I'll break
it up into your I think your question was twofold, and.

Speaker 25 (44:14):
I'll address it that way. So the first part of
your question about.

Speaker 32 (44:17):
Like what level of scrutiny are we looking at normally
levels of scrutiny or dealt with you know, we talked
about that with the violations of the Equal Protection Clause,
like the thirteenth and fourteenth Amendment. What's interesting about this
case is that until the Bruin test that came, there
was basically Supreme Court did not rule on gun safety laws.

Speaker 25 (44:39):
They ruled on one case in two thousand and eight,
which was called Heller, and.

Speaker 32 (44:43):
Then in twenty twenty two with Bruin, and previously they
said that there was an important government interest in maintaining
the gun safety law.

Speaker 25 (44:53):
Then the constitutionality of that law was upheld. So from
a you know, from a very very long time ago.

Speaker 32 (45:01):
To two thousand and eight, the Supreme Court never issued
a ruling on gun safety laws or they said that
it's an important government interest. Public safety is an important
government interest, so these laws are constitutional. And that is
until Brewing came, which is why Bruin was so unprecedented

(45:22):
and really highlights how the politicization of the judiciary is
impacting so many various aspects of our day to day life.

Speaker 25 (45:28):
Whether it's Dobs, whether it's Raheemi.

Speaker 32 (45:31):
It's completely changed the nature of how we interact with
one another in the world. But to your second question
about the relevance about the use of the criminal and
civil legal systems within this framework, I completely agree, and
this actually came up in the Fifth Circuit decision where

(45:53):
Judge Hoe said that the criminal legal system is an
adequate substitute for the Second Amendment. And I think that's
really the distinction of this case is that this case
is about the Second Amendment and what is considered public
safety in that lens and at the center.

Speaker 25 (46:14):
Of American progress.

Speaker 32 (46:15):
We've written a product on how the criminal legal system
has failed survivors of domestic violence, and this case Raheemi
underscores that survivors deserve more accountability. The criminal legal system,
how it's enforced, how orders of protection are access dealt with,
et cetera, is extremely ineffective for survivors safety.

Speaker 25 (46:37):
Not only are survivors more.

Speaker 32 (46:39):
Likely to be arrested, particularly if they're women of color,
within as within the domestic situation in the household, but
every single study from the last ten years has shown
that the criminal legal system has failed to protect survivors,
has failed to have effective orders of protection, and.

Speaker 25 (46:58):
Most importantly, that this is not something that survivors want.
The criminal local system shouldn't be the only.

Speaker 32 (47:02):
Option when you're dealing with someone who's an abuser, because
that's that may not be what a survivor wants. And
so avenues like restorative justice, avenues like community healing circles
need to be considered a viable alternative. Otherwise you get
trapped in this narrative of if you're in the criminal

(47:23):
legal system, you're automatically a really bad person, which if
you're someone from a community that has been surveilled, that
has been criminalized.

Speaker 25 (47:31):
You know that's not true. And the danger of this case,
the danger of Raheemi, was that.

Speaker 32 (47:39):
The criminal legal system would be viewed as a substitute
for the Second Amendment protections that survivors and the public
are supposed to have.

Speaker 24 (47:50):
All Right, Michael, all right, thanks for coming on, And
I wanted you to try to explain more Clarence Thomas's
dissenting opinions.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Was it.

Speaker 8 (48:04):
Okay?

Speaker 24 (48:05):
So looking at this piece from the New York Times,
it says in its dissent, you know, he said, the
court and government do not point to a single historical
law revoking a citizens Second Amendment rights based Second Amendment
right based on interpersonal cliance. But it's like when we
I was looking at the article here from MSNBC from

(48:26):
November twenty twenty three, and they talked about the Brewing
case and they talked about the Rahemi case being filed,
and they talk about how in seventeen ninety one it
was legal to beat your wife. Unfortunately, and they said
it wasn't until eighteen seventy one that any state punished
husbands who beat their wives. And it took until nineteen
twenty for every state to criminalize wife beating. So it

(48:48):
was a totally different world back in seventeen eighty eight
when the Constitution was ratified. Incidentally, this is the anniversary
the US Constitution being ratified June twenty first, seventeen eighty eight.
Can you try to of this contextualists because you, I mean,
his his descending opinion doesn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 8 (49:06):
But I got my law degree from Trump University, so just.

Speaker 32 (49:12):
Well, you know, I think this was a really big
blow to Justice Thomas's ego because he wrote the decision
for Bruin.

Speaker 25 (49:19):
He is the one that had the test, and in
that test.

Speaker 32 (49:23):
He said that you need that what I described before
of having an important government interest doesn't matter anymore. All
that matters is that there was a there was a
law that existed when the Bill of Rights was enacted
that is.

Speaker 25 (49:40):
Similar to a law from today.

Speaker 32 (49:42):
In the Bruined Opinion, he wrote that we don't need
a historical twin, but we need a strong historical analogy,
and so Raheemi was really a test of Clarence Thomas's decision.
And you're absolutely right, and Justice Sotomayor and Jessics Kagan
completely agree with you that if we try to legitimize

(50:06):
our rules today based on the laws from the eighteenth century,
that we are completely looking at life.

Speaker 25 (50:14):
Through the prism of a time when women.

Speaker 32 (50:18):
People of color, and just every marginalized community you can
think of were disenfranchised from these conversations.

Speaker 25 (50:26):
And it would mean that the rights of marginalized.

Speaker 32 (50:33):
Communities which have been gained over the last you know,
one hundred years, and still there's so much of course
work to be done on that, but none of that
would be relevant within the world of gun safety. And
although you know, far right conservatives call this framework originalism,

(50:53):
the idea that you decide laws based on how the
Constitution was written or how the framers are written. The
conservatives call it originalism, but it's not. It's just a
way to undo the work of the war and court,
the way to undo the fights that happened in the
nineteen sixties and seventies, and we've seen this Supreme Court

(51:15):
majority strategically and precisely tried to roll back those exact
initiatives that marginalized communities have fought for for decades.

Speaker 13 (51:25):
So, Sabrina, as we close, I want to ask you
this the election is coming up. Where do you think
this move needle in terms of how this will be
used in the election and how both candidates, the GOP
and the Democrat will actually potentially use this.

Speaker 26 (51:42):
What's your opinion?

Speaker 32 (51:45):
Well, my hope is that this case is viewed as
a warning because the bruined test has still been legitimized
and it has been used in order to uphold the
Rahemi ruling, uphold the Ruhemi framework. So that means that
future gun safety laws are still going to be decided

(52:05):
at the whim of something that some law.

Speaker 25 (52:09):
That existed in the eighteenth century. So I really hope that.

Speaker 32 (52:14):
The Democratic Party really understands that it's time for elected
officials to be held accountable to push gun safety laws
to the highest degree possible.

Speaker 25 (52:26):
And for the opposing party.

Speaker 32 (52:30):
You know, I think that they will, you know, they'll
they'll say what they have to say, but I hope
that this is a sign that the far right Supreme
Court extremist majority is not unanimously in favor of every
single conservative, every single far right extremist policy platform by

(52:52):
Project twenty two five, or any other extremist agenda.

Speaker 13 (52:57):
All right, Sabrina Taluta, the direct after the Woman's initiative at.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
The Center for American Progress, Thank you so much being
with us.

Speaker 13 (53:04):
We know this is not the last that we will
hear of this because now comes the implementation of the
law and everybody's got to get on the same page.

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Thanks for being with us today.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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out of here because at nineteen sixty three, the Klan
murdered four black girls children in eleven, twelve, fourteen years
old at a church here and never got indicted. It

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was there from the Klan Life magazine did a story
on them, like you were being honored.

Speaker 12 (58:20):
I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Speaker 28 (58:22):
At the same time, had it not been for my
white friends, had it not been for a white manager
and Rudy Fingers and Duncan and Lee Myers, I would
have never made it. I was too physically violent. I
was ready to physically fight some I'd have got killed
here because I'd have beat someone's ass and they you

(58:43):
just saw me in an oak tree.

Speaker 18 (58:44):
Somewhere Reggiet.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Well.

Speaker 29 (58:47):
I can't even imagine. It's awful you had to go
through that, but you know it. Appreciate you sharing the
rawness and the honesty.

Speaker 8 (58:53):
Of it with our audience.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
I mean, really, it's we love you rich.

Speaker 29 (58:56):
Yeah, thank you man. Quick history lesson. That's a great
history lesson. Reggie Jackson telling us all about it, preaching. Wow,
that's unbelievable.

Speaker 26 (59:07):
Yeah, Matt talk about a history lesson.

Speaker 13 (59:09):
I'm not sure they expected that answer, but then again,
I'm not sure what they expected.

Speaker 23 (59:16):
Yeah, I don't know, And I appreciate mister October's candor
getting right directly to it. It's interesting because it's kind
of invoked something I was talking about at lunch is
that we talk about history in this country. We act
like all history is ancient history, but it's not. In
his lifetime, one of the most famous baseball players in

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history experienced virulent racism right there in that very city
and at that very field that they were sitting on.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
So I think we'd be good to remember that.

Speaker 23 (59:46):
And I'm glad that he spoke without any varnish, because
often you have people who try to put this in
the most palatable terms and make people feel good.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
He spoke right to it.

Speaker 23 (59:54):
He said, I've been in trouble because I would have
beat someone's ass and I appreciate that candidate. We need
that Cander to remind you people of the seriousness of
what people in the experience, but how recently they experienced
that and how we still experience racism today. To that end,
if you look at a lot of social media posts
regarding the MLB's decision to include the Negro league's records,

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I mean, there is some of the most hateful, virulent
racism against that inclusion by the MLB, and that's in
twenty twenty four. So it doesn't surprise me that this
was his experience, but I appreciate him speaking so directly
on it.

Speaker 13 (01:00:30):
Yeah, you know, Kelly, it's one of those things where
we look at the integration, if you will, of the
Negro leagues in the MLB statistics. Listen, a lot of
these leading white men that we have learned about growing
up and know their names, Ruth, they've been displaced, but
people and the way that they behave on the internet

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and on the streets in real life, they really show
who they are. And I think this was an amazing lesson,
especially from someone when we talk about a sports figure,
people tend to listen a little bit harder.

Speaker 22 (01:01:04):
Well, for sure, I just want to make a note
that Reggie Jackson is seventy eight years old, right, he
was good, looks good. But in my family that's still
pretty young.

Speaker 15 (01:01:17):
Right.

Speaker 22 (01:01:18):
My grandparents were you know, they have since passed, but
they passed away at ninety three. My great at passed
at ninety eight, you know. So longevity runs in my family.
But in the grand scheme of things, seventy eight years
is not a long time. And the fact that this
man as famous, as talented as he is, had to
go through something so heinous so recently, I want to

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be clear, this was recently.

Speaker 33 (01:01:43):
In the grand scheme of time. For us to think
that this is over, that racism is over, or that
we have come so far.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
We have not.

Speaker 22 (01:01:55):
It was literally yesterday for a lot of our elders, right,
And the way that he.

Speaker 9 (01:02:01):
Said it proved as much, you know.

Speaker 22 (01:02:03):
And so when we talk about these things, we shouldn't
be thinking.

Speaker 33 (01:02:09):
Oh, wow, you went through so much and it was
so long ago.

Speaker 9 (01:02:13):
It was yesterday. And also be clear, this.

Speaker 35 (01:02:16):
Probably also happened to somebody literally yesterday.

Speaker 33 (01:02:21):
People are still getting leitched.

Speaker 9 (01:02:23):
We just had a segment on a black man in
Aurora that is a modern day.

Speaker 15 (01:02:27):
Lookn't it right.

Speaker 22 (01:02:29):
So we can't talk about this as though it is
in a history book permanently, as though history does not live,
as though history is truly up in the past.

Speaker 9 (01:02:41):
This happened yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
It's Michael, Well, what are your thoughts about his history? Lesson?
Unfortunately very timely, But I think a lot of people.

Speaker 24 (01:02:55):
Listen, absolutely, and more and more people are listening. And
he said it on Fox Sports, as we else. There's
a lot of people that heard it who would not
normally tune into that type of information.

Speaker 8 (01:03:08):
So, first of all, this is a fantastic message.

Speaker 24 (01:03:11):
During June tenth, season one, he delivered this June twentieth,
the day after June teenth, number one two. There was
a lot of truth telling. Now, I remember when Reggie
Jackson was playing. I don't know if Kelly and Matt
remember when Reggie Jackson's playing, but I remember Reggie Jackson
in the nineteen seventies. I had Reggie Jackson Tops baseball cards.

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I remember when Reggie Jackson was on the episode of
it when it originally aired, and he's talking about when
he played in Alabama.

Speaker 8 (01:03:40):
Now Rick Wield.

Speaker 24 (01:03:42):
Rick wood Field is in Birmingham, Obama, so he was
there in nineteen sixty four.

Speaker 8 (01:03:48):
He talked about the year before.

Speaker 24 (01:03:49):
He talked about Bull Connor, who was the head of
the public safety department there in Birmingham, Alabama. This was
during eight nineteen sixty three, which was the Birmingham campaign.
French Shelter's Worth and Sheld's work invites doctor King and
SCLC to come help break the back of segregation.

Speaker 8 (01:04:07):
This is what he's talking about.

Speaker 24 (01:04:08):
And that's the same year of the Sixteenth Street Baptist
Church killing for the ku Klutz clam bomb the church.

Speaker 8 (01:04:14):
Four black girls were killed.

Speaker 24 (01:04:15):
September fifteenth, eighteen sixty three, was about two and a half,
half weeks after the March on Washington. So you could
hear the hurt in his voice. I don't know if
anybody else could hear it. I could hear the pain
in his voice. It's still hurting him today at seventy
eight years old. Okay, So this is a real history
lesson for America. But this is the type of damage

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that has to be repaired. And the reason why you
hassationed in Birmingham, Alabama and all throughout Alabama was because
of the Alabama State Constitution of nineteen oh one that
imposed poll taxes and literacy tests and incorporated segregation into
the laws.

Speaker 8 (01:04:52):
Is why you had that.

Speaker 24 (01:04:53):
And incidentally, June twenty first, nineteen sixty four to day
is the anniversary of the three civil rights workers Gilman,
Schworney Cheney being killed in Philadelphia, Mississippi as well.

Speaker 13 (01:05:06):
Yeah, two sides, two sides in America that he has seen,
the side that loves him, decide.

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
That hates him, some that continue to hate him.

Speaker 13 (01:05:14):
But it is one of those things that it's hard
to try to figure out and understand what America is saying.

Speaker 26 (01:05:19):
But he said it very eloquently and gave us a
history lesson.

Speaker 33 (01:05:23):
In the meantime.

Speaker 13 (01:05:24):
All right, your Roland Martin unfieldered more after this break,
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Speaker 13 (01:07:59):
All right, we all know Nineteenth Week, and we've got
some folks viewing vile, racist rhetoric about the holiday. One
of those people is running for Missouri Secretary of State.
Valentina Gomez, whose MAGGA campaign primarily consisted of homophoblic stunts,
told Black Americans to get the fuck out if they

(01:08:20):
still want reparations for slavery.

Speaker 36 (01:08:24):
Reparations from slavery and black victimization is about to be
shoved down our throats.

Speaker 26 (01:08:30):
For the most wretchet holiday.

Speaker 36 (01:08:32):
In America, BLM raised millions on what do they do
for black lives? It is outrageous to see people who
ask people reparations even though they never went through slavery.
These and grateful people should be celebrated because they were
boring the greatest nation to ever exist.

Speaker 17 (01:08:51):
Here's a tip if you don't like America.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
At the fuck out.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Okay.

Speaker 13 (01:08:59):
A newspaper in Miami, Florida is catching a whole lot
of peat after running several pro Trump political ads build.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
With racial slurs.

Speaker 13 (01:09:06):
So this full page ad ran on the back cover
of The Miami Times is June thirteenth through nineteenth print
edition features several uncentered uses of the N word, as
well as misleading a misleading quote of President Biden using
the slur in nineteen eighty five. Now, the quote was
taken from a nineteen eighty five hearing in which then

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Senator Biden quoted racist remarks made by a state legislator
during redistricting process in Louisiana. At the time, Biden was
questioning William Bradford Riynolds, a Deputy Attorney General nominee who
oversaw the redistricting process.

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
I tell you, Michael, what do you make of this
young woman four.

Speaker 13 (01:09:51):
Years old, Valentina Gomez, an immigrant herself?

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
What do you make of all of this that she
is doing online?

Speaker 13 (01:09:58):
From the gay slurs to the racials to her disposition
on how she sees America?

Speaker 8 (01:10:07):
This is there's so many levels to this right here. Okay,
First of all, if.

Speaker 24 (01:10:15):
She was a Fu shades darker, she would have to
wear a sign at the January sixth insurrections saying I'm
one of the good ones, because they may have used
those gallows on her. Okay, Number one, number two, people
have to ask the question. You know, there's a conversation
that takes place and some African Americans say, well, you know,

(01:10:38):
immigrants coming from other countries hate African Americans, or some
of them hate African Americans, things like this, And my
response to them is partly a response that Malcolm X gave.
I think it's probably in nineteen sixty three when Malcolm
X asked, who taught you to hate the color of
your skin, the shape of your nose, the thickness of
your lips?

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
You know it?

Speaker 24 (01:11:00):
So the same people who taught people outside the country
to hate African Americans are the same people who taught
African Americans to hate themselves.

Speaker 8 (01:11:09):
Okay, so this is what we have to understand.

Speaker 24 (01:11:11):
Now, she's appealing to this Mago wing of the Republican Party,
all right, and she's grossly ignorant of history. She's twenty
five years old. She's grossly ignorant of history. And if
we are understand the fight for reparative justice is not
just for two hundred and forty six years of slavery.

(01:11:32):
It's for the harm that was inflicted after slavery. Jim
Crow Law, theft of land, being locked out of massive
land giveaways like the Homestead Act, which gave away two
hundred and seventy million acres of land for one hundred
and twenty four years. They gave away land from eighteen
sixty two to nineteen seventy four. Okay, I was born
in seventy one, so we're not talking about ancient history.

(01:11:55):
They gave away The US government gave away two hundred
and seventy million acres of land for one hundred.

Speaker 8 (01:12:00):
And twenty four years.

Speaker 24 (01:12:02):
African Americans, who work the land largely for two hundred
and forty six years, were largely locked out of that
massive land giveaway. So when we look at the structural
inequities that exist today, the eight to one racial wealth gap,
it's not because white people work eight times harder. It's
not because white people are eight times smarter. It's because
the laws and policies now distributed wealth, powerd resources into

(01:12:23):
their hands. So when we talk about repairative justice, we're
not talking about a hand out. We're talking about repairing
the damage that America did. Okay, So June Team, you know,
I just focused on June Team celebrations, Motime Museum and
Joseph Walker Williams center things like this, And one of
the things I talk about is how we have to
utilize June teams as a tool to educate America on

(01:12:47):
a history that Republicans are passing laws and state legislatures
to suppress the teaching of that history in schools. America
must have a massive history lesson and the type of
reparative justice laws.

Speaker 8 (01:12:59):
That we need to get passed.

Speaker 24 (01:13:01):
You're really not going to be able to get those
laws passed and keep what you get once you get
sued to take it away in court. That's a whole
nother conversation until America has this lesson. So we have
to utilize Juneteenth not as a party and to get drunk.
We can have fun, but we have to have this
history lesson and force this conversation.

Speaker 13 (01:13:22):
You know, Kelly, I think one of the sad parts
about this is is that she's got an audience they
are losing and they're being wild up because they like
what she is saying.

Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
What is your take on just her whole approach.

Speaker 13 (01:13:37):
Again, a young woman who might have family members that
you know, have history that are connected to you and me.

Speaker 22 (01:13:49):
The one is used very very loosely here because that's
a hard look in twenty five, let's start there.

Speaker 9 (01:13:54):
And I think it is rooted in something that.

Speaker 33 (01:13:59):
Says a lot is that hate ages you, right, And
I am.

Speaker 22 (01:14:06):
Past twenty five. I'm actually I will be thirty four
this year, and if I do say so myself, I
look better than that, you know, And it's because I
don't carry that kind of hate in my heart like it.

Speaker 33 (01:14:20):
Hate truly does age you.

Speaker 22 (01:14:22):
But to your to your point, Candice, about you know
the level of history that she just simply does not
know or doesn't want to know, because it's not like
the information isn't out there, right, I think we need
to refrain how we're looking at people like her, because
I don't think they see themselves as LATINX I think them.

Speaker 33 (01:14:43):
I think they see themselves as white people who speak.

Speaker 22 (01:14:45):
Spanish, and there's there's a difference there and we see
that in our history.

Speaker 33 (01:14:51):
Michael, back me up here.

Speaker 9 (01:14:53):
When when Cubans.

Speaker 22 (01:14:54):
Immigrated here, white passing Cubans immigrated here and assimilated to whiteness.

Speaker 9 (01:14:59):
You see it from from Europe.

Speaker 22 (01:15:01):
You know Italians who assimilated to whiteness, other Eastern Europeans
who assimilated to whiteness upon immigrating here. So I think
they see themselves as white people who speak Spanish, and
if you look at it at last, you you you
at least understand, however, loosely, where that rhetoric is truly

(01:15:23):
rooted in whiteness. It's rooted in the fact that I'm
not like them because I'm white. I just happen to
be bilingual, right, So that that's where I that's my
take on this, aside from her ignorance of history, aside
from the you know part of her like a bad abado,

(01:15:44):
you know there there there are levels to it, but
the one that needs to be seen the most is
the fact that she does not see herself as a minor.

Speaker 26 (01:15:56):
Matt, what does your take.

Speaker 13 (01:15:57):
I mean, this is someone who walks through a neighborhood
that was the lgbt I you hoods, saying listen, don't
be gay, you know, be strong. I would imagine that
there would be some, especially young white men, who.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
Would say, yeah, I don't want to be gay, and yeah,
I'll be strong.

Speaker 26 (01:16:16):
That's a message that resonates with me. What's your take
on what she's doing?

Speaker 23 (01:16:21):
Well, First, I can never ever pass up the opportunity
to say that Michael is much longer in the tooth
than I am, so I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Watch Reggie back Jackson play baseball.

Speaker 12 (01:16:31):
Event, but.

Speaker 23 (01:16:35):
Of that, I was a year old when he was
done playing baseball. In any event, Candice, here's my take
on I think they're both right. Both Kelly and Michael
are right with all of their commentary. The two things
I'll add is, first, one of the gross ironies here
is that the country of Columbia actually has a repations
UH program itself for those who are victims of the

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violence of the internal conflict there in Colombia. And I
think that that's important because it comes from a country
where they have found a way to implement reparations to
some extent, there are some problems with it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
It's based on international law, but.

Speaker 23 (01:17:09):
The larger principle is she literally comes from a cover
they have figured it out. Our country doesn't take the
time to figure it out because it doesn't care about
us enough to figure it out. And two, they always
put up policy barriers to have menversations. But I think
the bigger issue with this is actually less about the
substance of what she's saying and more the fact that
she's running for secretary of state. How is this to

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remain any the potential thing she intends to do as
the secretary of state who does not customarily deal with
policies like this.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
They deal with elections and other matters.

Speaker 23 (01:17:42):
I say that to say there is no consequence for
hot buttoned political conversation these days that makes people, you know, foement,
and she sees that as a valuable thing here, and
that's what she's doing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
She's leveraging that. But it would infuriate me if I
were a Missourian.

Speaker 23 (01:17:58):
Because I wouldn't want somebody who was running for office
about things that they cannot do in their purview. You
only do this because one you embody the hate and
two because you think there is a political benefit to
be at hate. And that's what you're seeing here. And
I think it's absurd that we allow this. It happens everywhere.
It happens in every state house, these state legislatures, in particular,

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legislators are trying to co opt issues that don't even
have anything that they would have any control over. And
that to me just indicates that she sees that maga
wing and sees it as level her ends of getting elected.

Speaker 5 (01:18:33):
Yeah, as we go to a break. I want to
with you, Michael, just quickly. Do you think she has
a chance of winning at all.

Speaker 24 (01:18:43):
With her being twenty five years old Secretary of State.
I don't know what the landscape is, who the competition
probably not, which is probably why she's pulling the stunt
like this.

Speaker 8 (01:18:56):
She's trying to tap.

Speaker 24 (01:18:58):
Into the white supremist there in Missouri, which you know
quiet as has kept Missouri stayed loyal to the Union.
They were allowed to keep their slaves at the Domestic
Patient Proclamation. They were not a Confederate state. You would
think they were, but they were not a Confederate state.
So but this is once again why I say America

(01:19:19):
needs a massive history lesson because she's dropping a message
like this on juneteenth or right around June teenth, trying
to tap into this hatred.

Speaker 8 (01:19:26):
And this is another example of why.

Speaker 24 (01:19:27):
When I delivered my presentation to the Detrait Reparations Task
Force on March second, twenty twenty four, which is online
people can watch it, I told them don't.

Speaker 8 (01:19:36):
I said, don't put the.

Speaker 24 (01:19:37):
Term reparations on anything that you want to get passed,
because it's an automatic trigger for white supremists and they
will be humanly tact.

Speaker 8 (01:19:47):
Whatever it is that you're trying to get passed.

Speaker 26 (01:19:51):
All right, listen, they.

Speaker 13 (01:19:52):
Had millions of shares, but hopefully millions of people will
be seeking the truth on that one.

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Speaker 26 (01:23:03):
Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey.

Speaker 13 (01:23:06):
Says he's filing a lawsuit against the State of New
York after Donald Trump's conviction last month. On social media,
Bailly posted, I will be filing suit against the State
of New York for their direct attack on our democratic
process through unconstitutional lawfare against President Trump.

Speaker 26 (01:23:24):
It's time to restore the.

Speaker 13 (01:23:26):
Rule of law. Bailly says this lawsuit is an effort
to fight back against a role prosecutor and allegend then
the verdict sabotages Missourian's right to a free and fair election.
A jury convicted Trump on May thirtieth, on thirty for
falsifying business records in the scheme to illegally influence the

(01:23:47):
twenty sixteen election through a hush money payment to import acts.
Trump's sentencing is scheduled forward July eleventh. Kelly, you know,
I think that this is just one of the things
that was to be expected. We saw a lot happen
during the case. Many people showed up, many officials showed up.

(01:24:08):
As he came out every day talking after his case,
I think that this.

Speaker 26 (01:24:12):
Was probably to be expected. What's your take on this?

Speaker 22 (01:24:15):
It's expected, but it's also annoying, like most things that
are happening surrounding Trump, Maga, the right and the like,
mainly because in his case, mind your business, worry about Missouri.

Speaker 33 (01:24:28):
Why are you suiting New York?

Speaker 8 (01:24:30):
Right?

Speaker 9 (01:24:31):
You know, like what what?

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Like?

Speaker 22 (01:24:33):
Why are you using taxpayer dollars in Missouri to do
something in a whole nother state that is frankly outside
your jurisdiction.

Speaker 12 (01:24:41):
You know, do you have the power to do that?

Speaker 6 (01:24:44):
Sure?

Speaker 8 (01:24:44):
Should?

Speaker 38 (01:24:45):
You know?

Speaker 22 (01:24:46):
And and and that's That's where I'm at with it,
right And if you really want to dig deeper into it,
Missouri is not that rich of a state. It is,
you know, as parts economy and and you know all
of those things were economy, jobs, classes, housing, I mean,
pick an issue that affects the rest of the country,

(01:25:08):
but certainly in the Midwest.

Speaker 9 (01:25:11):
You you got other things to worry about, sir. You know,
let's focus.

Speaker 26 (01:25:17):
Let's you know, Matt, a lot of resources being used
anytime that you file a lawsuit.

Speaker 13 (01:25:21):
But when you look at the lawsuit itself, just content
wise and argument wise, anything persuasive in there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 23 (01:25:30):
Judge Manning rules that this case is dismissed upon its
filing because they don't sending. First off, Candace ask me
these questions first, and not Kelly because she stole them
a thunder.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Okay, we're I was going to do exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:25:44):
I'm sorry, I don't have standing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
She's one hundred percent right.

Speaker 23 (01:25:49):
I don't think Missouri can sue New York for a
griminal prosecution under New York laws customarily, as I'm sure
you know, if states are going to sue each other,
you know it's gonna be in federal court because there
are two sovereigns and there would have to be a reason.
Good example, Texas and New Mexico are embroiled in litigation
over the Rio Grande River that runs you know here

(01:26:11):
through Texas. But this is not that situation. This is
completely disparate states. And this is him attempting to get
in front of his challenger, who I understand is is
supported by mister Trump. This is purely political and this
is the kind of thing, frankly, that should be unethical
for him as an attorney to do.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
And two shooting that the.

Speaker 23 (01:26:31):
People in Missouri should be able to hold him accountable
for this is purely government waste. I think it's a
far fetch to argue that Missouri having their rights divested
by a state criminal prosecution across the country in New York.
This is purely political theater, and it's abhorrent that he
was his office. But see also Ken Paxton does this

(01:26:52):
kind of idiocy, so we're used to it at this point.

Speaker 26 (01:26:55):
Yeah, frivolous lawsuit and oderstanding.

Speaker 13 (01:26:57):
You know, Michael want you to think about is I
think that one thing it might have done, though, was
show supporters of Trump.

Speaker 26 (01:27:03):
That they've got politicians out.

Speaker 13 (01:27:05):
There working, so that, as Matt said, they become a
political question, to show that, you know, they're doing what
they need to do, even if it's if it's nothing or.

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
Ridiculous, they are.

Speaker 24 (01:27:20):
Yeah, you know, when reading this article, that's what I
was thinking what Matt said, that Bazoi has no legal
standing and not the injured party, because I was trying
to figure out, Okay, so how can they follow the
lawsuit and the criminal conviction of this that fell in
on thirty four counts. It does not prevent him from

(01:27:42):
still running in the campaign, So it does not prevent
Missourians that want to fraudster. It does not deprive them
of being able to hear this criminal.

Speaker 8 (01:27:51):
They can hear.

Speaker 24 (01:27:52):
They can listen to this frauster criminal all they want to.
So it was just a nonsensible lawsuit. But this should
serve as a clarion call to people who have an
ounce of sense in this country, especially African Americans, of
what's to come if this trader gets back in office

(01:28:13):
who incited an insurrection to over the government. Okay, because
if he gets back in office, he's not going to
leave when his term is up. Dictators don't just just
give up power. That's not how dictatorship works. Okay, No,
so the second time is going to be much worse
than the first time. This is why we have to

(01:28:35):
stop this threat. All the lights are on the dashboard
of democracy, and you don't wait till your house burns
down before you replace the battery and the smoke detector
and the smoke detective.

Speaker 8 (01:28:46):
Smoke detector has been chirping for a week. Okay, so
all the signs are there.

Speaker 24 (01:28:50):
But yeah, this is like the difference between a religion
and a coat, and a religion your savior dash for
you and a colt. You're asked that for your savior,
this ma the deaf cult, and they have to be
stopped at the ballot box.

Speaker 26 (01:29:05):
You know, I'm looking back at the tweet, Matt.

Speaker 13 (01:29:07):
He says, this is a direct attack on our democratic
process through constitutional lawfare against President Trump.

Speaker 33 (01:29:15):
But Matt, we.

Speaker 26 (01:29:16):
Saw weeks of due process.

Speaker 5 (01:29:19):
We saw weeks of.

Speaker 13 (01:29:21):
That process in terms of he got a jury that
was selected. There was a vader process in fact, throughout
the whole process that was acting in a way that
violated the Constitution and the democratic process.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
I think you're spoted on, you know.

Speaker 23 (01:29:38):
I think what's really problematic about this, and that we
see as obvious political pandering, is that conservatives are always
about local control. Don't bother us big government here in
the state of wherever. We're allowed to do whatever we
want by virtue of our state team. How is Alvin
Bragg and prosecutor in New York not allowed to prosecute

(01:30:00):
New York laws. It was no constitutional attack, no attack
that mister Trump was divested of any kind of due process.
This is precisely what conservatives they want.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
The issue is it's.

Speaker 23 (01:30:11):
Outcome determinative here because they don't like the outcome. So
now they're claiming the process or that it's an attack
on people thousands of miles away, and it's not. I mean,
we know that's malarkey. This is purely political theater. Also,
I really liked that debt and lights metaphor, Michael. I
might steal that for the future, Kelly.

Speaker 5 (01:30:30):
They'll be close with you.

Speaker 26 (01:30:31):
We know you put these prosecutors and.

Speaker 13 (01:30:34):
The Attorney General on the TV screen. It is not
missed by many that they are all and this is
not something that the Attorney General, Andrew Bailey, I'm sure
he didn't talks about how the prosecutors and the Attorney
General are just overstepping their boundaries and guidelines.

Speaker 26 (01:30:55):
There are some serious hidden messages there, Kelly.

Speaker 22 (01:31:00):
Sure, so you're audio cracked a little bit, but I
think I got the gist of what you're saying. But
I want to I want to touch point, which relates
to your point, Candice, about how much we have tolerated
as as people who are not aligned with Trump and

(01:31:21):
MAGA and the right, you know, the extreme right, if
you will. And I feel like, you know the analogy
of having a frog and boiling water or you know,
some type of amphibian lobster or whatever in the boiling water,
and you get in cold water and you just slowly
crank up the heat, and as the heat rises, they

(01:31:42):
get more comfortable, and all of a sudden they're dead
because they're boiled.

Speaker 33 (01:31:45):
They don't even know it. I feel like that's where
we are as as.

Speaker 22 (01:31:51):
A country, but more specifically with the democratic process and
the democratic powers that be right, because at the end
of the day, we really did take Trump as a
joke in twenty sixteen and prior right, and every single

(01:32:12):
year since then there has just been increments of just
pure bs.

Speaker 39 (01:32:18):
But because it wasn't as bad as the time before
or whatever, it's just like we've gotten acclimated to chaos
to the point when Project twenty twenty five is implemented,
and unfortunately it will be implemented, because we are the.

Speaker 33 (01:32:35):
Frogs in the boiling water. We are at a loss, right,
and we had the time, we had the tools, we
had the resources.

Speaker 22 (01:32:49):
But because we were so comfortable in this hot tub,
we don't have a plan to combat.

Speaker 33 (01:32:58):
The ultimate chaos will be Trump, whether or not he.

Speaker 9 (01:33:02):
Gets into office.

Speaker 22 (01:33:03):
I'm not trying to speak his election when into existence,
but the project itself is more than Trump.

Speaker 9 (01:33:11):
The project itself is more than the presidency.

Speaker 22 (01:33:14):
It is literally every aspect of the process, every aspect
of the American experiment being upended. Right, So, even if
he doesn't get into office, that plan will still go
into effect.

Speaker 33 (01:33:30):
But because people took the boiling.

Speaker 22 (01:33:32):
Pot of water for a hot tub, my fear is
that we are going to be comfortable even in the
ultimate chaos.

Speaker 13 (01:33:40):
And as you said, ultimately guy, some ridiculous death that
we saw coming. Listen, all these building blocks we have
to be careful about.

Speaker 26 (01:33:50):
See what people are.

Speaker 5 (01:33:51):
Doing and those are reading behind what they are doing.

Speaker 13 (01:33:54):
Because as the Attorney General, of course he knew this
is a fuivolous lawsuit and would be just.

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Speaker 26 (01:36:02):
All right, it is officially the first Friday of summer.

Speaker 13 (01:36:05):
If you haven't done so already. It's time to start
pledging your vacation. And if you don't know where to go,
don't worry. We've got you covered with travel expert Tamika Jones.

Speaker 26 (01:36:15):
She's here to tell us how to find the best
places for us to go in summer vacation. It's a
hot one though.

Speaker 5 (01:36:22):
I mean I don't have to get on a plane
to go to some warm weather.

Speaker 26 (01:36:25):
Here out in New Jersey.

Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
It is a hot one.

Speaker 13 (01:36:27):
Thank you so much for being with us today. Oh
I'm not sure if I if you can hear me?
All right, Tom, are you muted?

Speaker 5 (01:36:53):
Let's try this different? Can you hear me now? All
right there?

Speaker 26 (01:36:57):
Hello, how are you doing?

Speaker 14 (01:36:59):
I'm good?

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
How are you?

Speaker 17 (01:37:00):
Sorry for other technical issues, but you know we are
talking about travel.

Speaker 5 (01:37:04):
Listen.

Speaker 33 (01:37:04):
Blame it on the heat.

Speaker 5 (01:37:05):
It is a hot while I'm here, I was just saying,
in New Jersey, I don't have.

Speaker 26 (01:37:09):
To go anywhere to get to any warm weather. I
want to thank you for being with us to night.

Speaker 5 (01:37:13):
Listen, there are a lot of places to go for
some people, it is.

Speaker 26 (01:37:18):
Just cost prohibitive.

Speaker 13 (01:37:20):
I just wanted to know what are your suggestions for
someone to put together a really tight vacation, especially if
they might have.

Speaker 26 (01:37:27):
A big family for example.

Speaker 17 (01:37:30):
That's a great question.

Speaker 41 (01:37:31):
You know, we are always looking for adventures and experiences
that are budget friendly most definitely, So when it comes
to budget family travel experiences, I do recommend a site
where you can book your travel, and that I would
say is expedient. Expedia is good at being able to
highlight travel deals that are available to all travelers, whether

(01:37:54):
it be for family travel, solo travel, girlfriends, travel, group travel.
It's a good opportunity to kind of really find some
of the best vacation deals that are out there. So
I recommend again Expedia. And also you can check out
things like Hopper. Hopper will let you know where our
different flight deals are taking place. So there are other

(01:38:16):
apps out there that will help you when it comes
to budget family travel experiences.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
Now, in terms of where you might want to go,
let's say say that you.

Speaker 26 (01:38:27):
Can afford something a little more extravagant.

Speaker 5 (01:38:29):
I know that you're probably you are a traveler who
has traveled all around the world.

Speaker 13 (01:38:37):
What are the places that would highlight are worth going
to visit? Where would you go back a second time
that you would also recommend to somebody.

Speaker 17 (01:38:45):
Else Oh, great question.

Speaker 41 (01:38:47):
So I just returned from Alaska, and Alaska happens to
be yes, Alaska, and a few weeks before Alaska, I
was in Austria.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
So I would.

Speaker 17 (01:38:58):
Recommend both destinations. And I'm going to tell you why.
I'm going to start with Alaska.

Speaker 41 (01:39:04):
Alaska, according to Triple A, happens to be a hotspot
right now due to the cruises.

Speaker 17 (01:39:10):
Well, I was there last week.

Speaker 41 (01:39:12):
I wasn't participating in a cruise, but yet I enjoyed
like a remote island. So for travelers who are looking
for destination that may not be packed with tours, I
highly recommend Alaska. And also we talked about those hot temperatures,
so if you're looking for cooler temperatures.

Speaker 17 (01:39:29):
Alaska can be an ideal location just as well as Austria.

Speaker 41 (01:39:34):
Austria is absolutely gorgeous and a destination that is welcoming
to all. And that is something I know black travelers
or travelers or color are looking for, is a destination
that is safe and that is welcoming to all.

Speaker 17 (01:39:49):
So I would recommend both Austria and Alaska.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
And for people who are.

Speaker 13 (01:39:56):
Thinking about it in the way that you just presented it,
I'm a person of color.

Speaker 5 (01:40:01):
I'm traveling, I want the best experience.

Speaker 13 (01:40:04):
Are the groups that you would recommend that people join
or websites to go on to to find out places that,
as you said.

Speaker 9 (01:40:12):
Are welcoming and we'll really.

Speaker 26 (01:40:13):
Assure that you have a good experience overall.

Speaker 41 (01:40:17):
Absolutely. So there's a website I highly recommend. It's called
green book Global. Green Book Global is actually a site
where black travelers rate and review destinations they've already visited.
So for places that you're looking to travel to in
the future, it's a website you can check out to
learn more about some of the top rate destinations. Another

(01:40:41):
app that's out there, I recommend. It's called ABC Travel
green Book. That's an app, The ABC Travel green Book
is really great for travelers who are looking to stay
connected to.

Speaker 17 (01:40:55):
The black diaspora around the world.

Speaker 41 (01:40:58):
So you can literally curate a travel experience that is
catered to black owned businesses around the world.

Speaker 26 (01:41:08):
Now, let's say that I wanted to jump on a plane.

Speaker 5 (01:41:10):
Where are you based?

Speaker 17 (01:41:11):
I'm based in Atlanta, all right, So let's.

Speaker 26 (01:41:14):
You want to you know, three hours.

Speaker 5 (01:41:16):
You know some people do it that way, I know
I do. I always say, is.

Speaker 13 (01:41:19):
It over three hour flight? Where are you going to
get on a flight between one and three hours from
where you live.

Speaker 26 (01:41:27):
Let's say Atlanta that you would recommend.

Speaker 41 (01:41:30):
Okay, so we would say, well, one hour from Atlanta,
I would likely a roughly time. New Orleans, I mean,
can't be New Orleans when it comes to the food
and the culture and experience. Definitely a great destination to book,
even last minute. And then of course, if you're looking
for beach vacation, Miami can't be Miami. Miami, Tampa Bay,

(01:41:55):
Orlando great destinations for warm weather and beach.

Speaker 17 (01:42:00):
And when we say where else can I think of?

Speaker 41 (01:42:03):
Oh, when you're talking about the Caribbean, Antiga and Barbuda,
that's about a two two and a half hour flight,
maybe even three hours from Atlanta.

Speaker 17 (01:42:13):
And these are two destinations.

Speaker 41 (01:42:14):
So you really can get two vacations with one two
trips with one vacation.

Speaker 5 (01:42:20):
All right, all right, all right, I want to open
up the panel.

Speaker 26 (01:42:24):
All right now, Michael, I'm want to start with you
a question for Tamiga.

Speaker 24 (01:42:27):
This evening, all right, to Mika, So, I wanted to
know with people traveling, is there any type of special
health insurance that people should have traveling internationally?

Speaker 8 (01:42:42):
So if they get.

Speaker 24 (01:42:43):
Sick, if they break a leg or something like that,
they can be treated at the hospital and you know
it won't be an exorbitant cost. Is any type of
special international health insurance?

Speaker 41 (01:42:56):
A great question, and I would recommend looking at to
travel insurance before you travel to that international destination. Highly
recommend that travelers insurance can cover anything from as you mentioned,
hospital visits to last minute cancelations. So I highly recommend
doing your research prior to and you can find a

(01:43:19):
variety of travel insurance companies out there that are budget friendly.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
Okay, yeah, so Tamika, thank you for joining us.

Speaker 23 (01:43:30):
My question for you is do you have any suggestions
on particular financial vehicles for people to save that you
found are optimized for travel, because obviously everyone loves the
travel for the most part, but it's cost prohibitive because
it needs to eat, especially when you go places. So
what suggestions do you have on how people can save
to go on trips.

Speaker 41 (01:43:53):
You know something that I've noticed more of There are
options now where you can purchase purchase vacations where it
is experience the trip now and pay later. Let's say,
for example, if I use Delta Vacations, they have options
where likely you can go to their website look at
booking a vacation and they would have services like a

(01:44:16):
firm that allows you to literally pay monthly installments to
pay the trip, but you could take the vacation in advance.

Speaker 17 (01:44:25):
But also you could just look at just saving some
money a couple of dollars here and there.

Speaker 41 (01:44:30):
Every paycheck, if you are one of those kind of
travelers who's like, look, I'd just like to pay it
all off. And then last recommendation are travel advisors. Highly
recommend travel advisors because travel advisors can allow you the
opportunity to make payment installations to go to your trip.

Speaker 9 (01:44:48):
So maybe you just have to pay a.

Speaker 41 (01:44:49):
Couple one hundred dollars in advance and then pay over
time and to help pay off the trip before the excursion.

Speaker 33 (01:44:57):
All right, Kelly, sure, So I love to travel. Actually
just came from Jamaica last month.

Speaker 22 (01:45:04):
Then I'm going to make it in December, so I
try to get get as much traveling as I can
because work.

Speaker 33 (01:45:12):
But my question to you is actually twofold one.

Speaker 22 (01:45:18):
How do you feel I don't remember if it's still around,
but how do you feel about apps like skip lagged?

Speaker 33 (01:45:23):
If you know anything about skip lagged. And secondly, which
is more important.

Speaker 22 (01:45:33):
O of foreign countries before you travel there, like, to
what extent do you need search the laws so that
you don't get caught up?

Speaker 6 (01:45:44):
So?

Speaker 41 (01:45:44):
I am sorry, but it kind of blinked out for men.
Do you mind repeating the question for me?

Speaker 6 (01:45:49):
Sure?

Speaker 9 (01:45:49):
So it was twofold.

Speaker 33 (01:45:51):
So the first one is apps like skip lagged. I
don't know both of them.

Speaker 22 (01:45:56):
I've heard mixed reviews on on apps like that and
wanted to know what your thoughts were as a travel expert.
So what are your thoughts regarding the extent to which
you need to research the laws of other country where
you visit them so you don't get caught up.

Speaker 17 (01:46:14):
Wow, that's a great question question. So I will say
I have not heard of the app you refer to,
skip blag. I'm sorry, I haven't heard of that app.

Speaker 41 (01:46:26):
But I will say doing your research prior to traveling
really to any destination, but especially abroad, is extremely important.

Speaker 17 (01:46:34):
I'll give you an example.

Speaker 41 (01:46:36):
If you travel with prescription drugs or any kind of drugs,
you may want to make sure.

Speaker 17 (01:46:42):
That those drugs are legal in the destination that you
are visiting.

Speaker 41 (01:46:47):
So good resources to be able to find out what
is best to take on your trip when you're traveling
abroad the CDC website, as well as being able to
contact the US embassy in that destination you're.

Speaker 17 (01:47:00):
Planning to visit to learn more and to be better
prepared for your trip.

Speaker 26 (01:47:06):
That is great information. Really quickly we have about thirty seconds.

Speaker 13 (01:47:09):
I know that people love these digital and teco electron biases.

Speaker 26 (01:47:13):
One that what you put it on your luggage and
you can see where.

Speaker 5 (01:47:18):
Your luggage is on your phone. Anything else that we.

Speaker 13 (01:47:21):
Need to get just technically speaking, in order to help
us travel more safely and efficiently.

Speaker 17 (01:47:27):
You know, I would not say one thing.

Speaker 41 (01:47:30):
I'd like to always recommend the travelers separate from just
gadgets because, as we know what technology, sometimes technology fails.

Speaker 5 (01:47:38):
So always just.

Speaker 41 (01:47:39):
Making sure you are prepared and being prepared is arriving at.

Speaker 17 (01:47:43):
The airport several hours early.

Speaker 41 (01:47:46):
I'll give you an example. I went to Austria. As
I mentioned, I was flying into Germany. Well, I arrived
at the airport two and a half hours early, only
to recognize that I left my passport at home.

Speaker 5 (01:47:58):
Well, yes, I'm travel.

Speaker 17 (01:48:00):
Export, but that expert that happens.

Speaker 9 (01:48:02):
But guess what.

Speaker 41 (01:48:03):
I made my flight thanks to a friend who was
able to come to my home and bring it to me.

Speaker 17 (01:48:09):
So you just never know what can happen.

Speaker 41 (01:48:11):
So give yourself time to arrive to the airport early
or even get on the road, because you never know
when you can encounter some a lot of traffic, and
pack your patients, especially for travel seasons like this. Summertime
is expected to be a busy one, especially during the
fourth of July.

Speaker 9 (01:48:29):
It is coming up.

Speaker 41 (01:48:30):
Triple A reports that more than seventy million people will
be traveling this holiday season.

Speaker 17 (01:48:35):
Are likely to be traveling, so pack your patients and
arrive early.

Speaker 13 (01:48:40):
I like that because an ad could not have helped
you get that pass forward. I want to thank you
so much for being with Usamika and giving us some
travel plans to make our destinations a little better as
we travel this summer.

Speaker 17 (01:48:52):
Good to see you, Good to see you two, and
thank you for having me.

Speaker 26 (01:48:56):
Absolutely we'll be right back after the break.

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Know.

Speaker 10 (01:49:18):
I keep trying to tell fellas change your look.

Speaker 6 (01:49:21):
Please.

Speaker 10 (01:49:22):
You can't wear athletic shoes every damn wear. So if
you're putting on linen suits, if you're putting on some
summer suits, have a whole different look. The reason I
like this particular pocket square these shabors because it's sort
of like a flower and looks pretty cool here versus
the traditional boring silk pocket squares. But also I like

(01:49:44):
being a little different as well, So this is why
we have these custom made feather pocket squares on the
website as well. My sister actually designed these after a
few years ago. I was in his battle with Steve
Harvey at Essence and I saw this at a Saint
Jude fundraise. I saw this feather pocket square and I said, well,
I got some ideas, So I hit her and she
sent me about thirty different ones, and so this completely

(01:50:07):
changes your look now, some of you men out there,
I had some dudes say, oh man, I can't wear that. Well,
if you ain't got swagging, that's not my problem. But
if you are looking for something different to spruce up
your look, fellas, ladies, if y'all looking to get your
man a good a gift I've had. I've run into
brothers all across the country with the feathers pocket squares

(01:50:30):
saying see check mine out, and so it's always good.

Speaker 8 (01:50:32):
To see them.

Speaker 22 (01:50:33):
And so this is what you do.

Speaker 10 (01:50:34):
Go to rollers Martin dot com ford Slash pocket Squares.
You can order Shabory pocket squares or the custom made
pocket squares. Now for the Shaborious, we're out of a
lot of the different colors, and I think we're down
to about two or three hundred, So you want to
get your order in as soon as you can, because
here's what happened. I got these several years ago, and
they the Japanese company sided to deal with another company,

(01:50:57):
and I bought them before they signed that deal, and
so I can't get access to any more from the
company in Japan than makes them.

Speaker 8 (01:51:04):
And so get George now.

Speaker 10 (01:51:06):
So come summertime when I see y'all, in essence, y'all
could be looking fly with the Shaboy Pokast square or
the custom made pocket square.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
Again.

Speaker 10 (01:51:13):
Rolling this Martin dot com for Slash pocket squares.

Speaker 8 (01:51:16):
Go there now, me.

Speaker 38 (01:51:23):
Sherry Sebre and you know what you're watching Roland Martin.
I'm felasy, all right, nothing better than.

Speaker 26 (01:51:36):
A little after. It is not easy for any female.

Speaker 13 (01:51:40):
Comedian to build a reputation in the world of comedy,
and if you are a black female comedian, it's even harder.
As Monique Well, the Black Women in Comedy Lack Fest
in New York City wants change. That is now, when
it's fifth year, hundreds of women have braced the stage
to perform. Founder join Of says she created it to

(01:52:01):
unlock the full potential of black female comedians, and indeed
they are rising. Joining me now is a comedian, musician,
and writer who's a favorite of so many Rita Brent,
She performed and recorded a comedy special during this year's
five day lack Best festival that ends this Sunday.

Speaker 12 (01:52:22):
Reader, good to see you, good evening. How are you
thank you so much for having me?

Speaker 26 (01:52:26):
No, absolutely listen.

Speaker 13 (01:52:28):
I know that it is very, very important for women
to be in spaces, to get.

Speaker 5 (01:52:34):
Up on stage and be funny.

Speaker 13 (01:52:36):
What do you think that a comedy festival like this
does for people like you? And I mean people come
from all of the country, even out of the country
to get their chance on stage.

Speaker 42 (01:52:47):
Well, first, of all, I think it's amazing that we
are in New York because you just never know who
can be in the audience in terms of people in
the industry. Even at my One Woman show, they were
people from HBO and Apple TV. So just to show
that you think it's just a show, it could become
something life changing if the right person sees you. But
it is amazing because folks are coming from Philadelphia, from

(01:53:08):
New Orleans. I came from Mississippi, and this is just
a platform that we don't always get in the South,
and so it is up to us to take advantage
of it now in terms of.

Speaker 13 (01:53:19):
What you see happening in the industry, some people, you know,
a friend of mine said, why didn't you tell.

Speaker 5 (01:53:24):
Me Rita Brent was going to be there? I said,
I did know to do that. But you have a
lot of fans. Some people would say she's so popular,
she's made it, but you're not.

Speaker 13 (01:53:34):
At a conversation, you said, you know what, You've got
a little bit of a different take when it comes
to making it because of the extra steps and the
drink that you've been on as a black woman in
this male dominated field and also white male dominated field.

Speaker 42 (01:53:50):
Yes, well, you know, I think a lot of it
is social media. When you have something that goes viral repeatedly,
folks considered that success. And it depends on what your
definition of success is. Mine is financial success for one thing. Now,
of course, having the community and my peers respect me
that is a beautiful thing.

Speaker 12 (01:54:09):
But I want to have a.

Speaker 42 (01:54:10):
Financial breakthrough with my talents. So social media fame, social
media fame and all that is cool. But I think
the key is just to be consistent and find those
different avenues to shine. So social media is that, I mean,
I think it's probably the reason that I want to
hear roland his share some of my stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:54:27):
You know.

Speaker 42 (01:54:27):
I think it's just taking advantage of each of those
moments and not treating them small.

Speaker 13 (01:54:31):
That's right, that Marginie Tailerville, that music that you created, Yes,
we're shared on here and when viral. What are your
thoughts about how you know black women have to survive
in the field of comedy. You have a mentor in
the name by the way of Rookie Smiley, very fortunate,

(01:54:51):
I think, but a lot of people don't have that.

Speaker 5 (01:54:54):
But you've been working with.

Speaker 13 (01:54:55):
Him, You've been on his show, you've done work on maintation.
As you said, you just recorded another special yesterday. But
what to black women in comedy face that people just
may not know about.

Speaker 42 (01:55:10):
Ooh, well, we already know about the Me Too movement
and some of the challenges that happen with that. Fortunately
for me, I have been able to tour with people
like Ricky Smiley and Sydric the Entertainer, and there's been
a lot of respect there and a lot of teaching
me the business and the game and as no quit
pro quol things.

Speaker 12 (01:55:27):
I don't have to do things to get on tour
but be funny.

Speaker 42 (01:55:30):
But unfortunately some of my counterparts have gone through things
like abuse and harassment, and you know, there's retaliation when
they reject advances, and of course there's the equal pay thing.
You know, you can have a female comedian with the
same resume, with the same accolades as a male comedian,
and just because she's not in the club or doing
locker room stuff, she may be excluded. But I think

(01:55:52):
the good thing is there are people like Adele Gibbons,
there are people like Kim Whitley, those type women who
I have a relationship with, who into me and who
will take me on tour with them and create those
opportunities for us when they're not created otherwise. So I
think it just takes that unity among women comedian looking
out for looking out for each other each other, and
I think that that is the thing that makes the difference.

Speaker 13 (01:56:15):
You know, we've talked earlier and we were talking about
people stealing material. We hear all the time. We've been
talking about a lot with Kat Williams and his example.
But you made a really interesting reference when you were
talking to me about if your material is stolen, share share.

Speaker 5 (01:56:32):
To the audience. With the audience you shared.

Speaker 13 (01:56:34):
With me about you know what that means perhaps about
your material if it is in fact being stolen.

Speaker 42 (01:56:40):
Okay, So when I was young, I was about that
life and if you stole my material, I straight up
approached you.

Speaker 12 (01:56:47):
But it's because that's all I had.

Speaker 13 (01:56:49):
You know.

Speaker 42 (01:56:49):
I was year in I had about five minutes of
material and a guy stole a joke that I had,
and I confronted him, well, hey man, why are.

Speaker 12 (01:56:56):
You steal my joke?

Speaker 42 (01:56:57):
But then I realized, well, this is an opportunity for
me to grow, This is an opportunity for me to write,
because if I am hanging my whole career on one
or two jokes, then I'm not doing enough as a comedian.
But also, the thing I learned from someone like Kevin
Hart is just the more unique your story is your
material is the harder it is for somebody to steal.

(01:57:18):
Like if you think about Kevin Hart's material, it is
so specific. Ricky Smiley's material is so specific that it's
hard to steal. So the less generic you are, the
more you'll set yourself apart and it'll be harder for
folks to steal your material.

Speaker 12 (01:57:31):
But it was just a challenge for me to just
write more.

Speaker 13 (01:57:34):
Yeah, yeah, all right. I like ending on this light subject.
I want to open up to the panel. First, let
me go to you, Matt.

Speaker 5 (01:57:40):
Question for read.

Speaker 23 (01:57:44):
I don't have any questions. I just have to say
that your gospel version of Rep. Crockett song, I've watched
that probably ten times in a row, and I have
to get so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
It was so brilliant on every level. I almost went
home and transcribed it a little bit.

Speaker 23 (01:58:01):
But I appreciate with us it's incredible, and you are
incredibly talented, and I wish you great prosperity continue going forward.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
That financial breakthrough you talked about.

Speaker 12 (01:58:12):
Listen, Thank you so much.

Speaker 42 (01:58:13):
Thank you, and shout out to my soreard Jasmine Crockett
for the inspiration.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 42 (01:58:19):
I didn't know it would go like it is, but
I do it live too, and folks are up holy
dancing and everything.

Speaker 12 (01:58:24):
So it's a vibe.

Speaker 5 (01:58:25):
Yeah, yeah, it is a whole vibe. Michael.

Speaker 6 (01:58:29):
All right.

Speaker 24 (01:58:29):
Reader, Well, Candice stole one of my questions dealing with
jokes stealing, so I'm gonna go to my third question,
which deals with On your website, you talk about your
three missions and one of them is advocacy and advocacy
for mental health, wellness things of this nature. Can you
talk about how you incorporate that into uh, the comedy

(01:58:55):
or the event and how do you offer that?

Speaker 8 (01:58:58):
How do you all offer that mental health wellness?

Speaker 33 (01:59:01):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:59:01):
Yes, and that's the founder that's joined a Brioler. I'm
sure that ready can talk to the mental health and
wellness that you have to kind of maintain while you're
on the road and those grueling schedules and dealing with
a lot of things.

Speaker 42 (01:59:14):
Yeah, because if you think about it, you know, for
some of us, we may travel eight ten hours to
get to a spot, and you know, when I'm gigging
with said I got a fifteen minute set, you know,
and I'm there and i'm leaving, I may not get
the right food.

Speaker 12 (01:59:27):
You know.

Speaker 42 (01:59:27):
I have family at home, big things that I'm missing.
So I think it's really important to set boundaries for yourself,
and not just as an entertainer, but any arena of
work that you do, because you will work yourself to death.

Speaker 12 (01:59:39):
You're burning out.

Speaker 42 (01:59:40):
You're burning out, you're trying to be successful, and now
on social media you have to show that success or
people may deem you unsuccessful.

Speaker 12 (01:59:47):
So it's just a lot of pressures that we're dealing with.

Speaker 42 (01:59:50):
But to answer your question more specifically, my comedy shifted
when I got more vulnerable about my mental health. There
was a point about maybe seven years ago where I
was going through some things and I felt a little suicidal,
and I talked about it on stage. I brought levity
to that issue and I connected and related to people,

(02:00:10):
and it also helped just free me mentally, you know.

Speaker 12 (02:00:13):
So comedy is completely therapeutic, you know.

Speaker 42 (02:00:16):
And then when folks are in the crowd and they
see you talking about it, they're like, oh, okay, well
this kind of freed me as well.

Speaker 12 (02:00:22):
And I also encourage therapy. That was helpful too.

Speaker 42 (02:00:24):
But I am just very fortunate to be able to
use my pains and turn it into punchlines.

Speaker 13 (02:00:31):
They meant that, yeah, And I know that the laugh
Beest they do have workshops that they deal with women
and given helping a therapy that you're talking about, Kelly.

Speaker 9 (02:00:44):
So, first of all, Hi, I really like you comedy.

Speaker 22 (02:00:46):
So right now, when we talk about comedy as a whole,
especially now you know post twenty twenty, you hear a
whole lot of you know, snowflake talk and you know, oh,
we can't do comedy like we used.

Speaker 33 (02:01:04):
To anything more.

Speaker 22 (02:01:06):
Can you talk about how you can be funny without
being tasteless and mean to marginalize communities?

Speaker 12 (02:01:14):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 8 (02:01:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 42 (02:01:15):
I always say you can say whatever you want to say,
but you just have to be prepared for the consequences.

Speaker 12 (02:01:20):
You know, you need to make sure that's a heel
that you want.

Speaker 42 (02:01:22):
To die on, you know, and especially with the LGBT stuff,
you know, some folks are always trying to be provocative
or doing shock value things and it's not even them,
you know, they may just be trying to go viral
or do shock value just for the heck of it.
But if it's if it's not your experience, you know,
because I'll hear some people talking about family stuff with LGBT,

(02:01:44):
you know, that's a little different. But when it's an attack,
that's completely different, and it's unnecessary. There are some things
that I won't even touch on, you know, because it's like,
once you say it, you can't take it back, and
now you may have offended or alienated an entire community,
and you have.

Speaker 12 (02:01:58):
To ask yourself, what's this worth it?

Speaker 42 (02:02:00):
You know, And if you're saying something, you need to
really think about why you're saying it. You know, what
point are you trying to make? So I'm just careful.
I picked my battles when it comes to material. But
the best thing to do for me is just speak
to my personal experience and that can't be discredited.

Speaker 13 (02:02:16):
Yeah, I believe we have a little video. I think
that that was what was shared with me quickly. If so,
we're going to throw to that right now.

Speaker 7 (02:02:30):
She got.

Speaker 43 (02:02:34):
Got then Martin Taylor, great looks black Alima bead I
forgot she had a beach drawn bad.

Speaker 6 (02:02:45):
Bil Bunch.

Speaker 44 (02:02:48):
Representatives about that line, she by that, and she looks
like she can really find an amazing politician. Ain't got
no compolitician, ain't we everybody beach band, build bunch body.
Marjorie trying to call the scene forgot, she had busch buddy.

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Marjorie tried to call the scene. I got, she had wischbody.
Marjorie tried to call the scene.

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
Forgot.

Speaker 12 (02:03:15):
She had wischbody. Marjorie trying to call the scene forgot.

Speaker 2 (02:03:20):
She had.

Speaker 5 (02:03:24):
See the video. I did not even realize that was you.

Speaker 13 (02:03:26):
You really transformed yourself with that wig and you're singing,
but you actually have a musical background. Yeah, you have
a musical backroun. That's that's why you're getting all those notes.

Speaker 42 (02:03:35):
Yeah, you y'all have to watch the other video where
I played like nine characters. I did the whole Ricky
Diller director things. So I came back and did another video.
After that, I went to the studio and recorded the
song professionally and released it. But my mother is also
a musician. She's a minister of music. She has been
since she was six years old. She put me on
the drum set at the age of eight years old.

(02:03:56):
And I was a musician before I was a comedian.
So I served in the Army National Guard Band, the
forty first Army Band as a drummer for about nine years,
and then halfway through I said, I started doing comedy
and I decided to get out of the Army and
take comedy seriously. So this is just a mission of
my talents and things that I've always done.

Speaker 4 (02:04:14):
Wow.

Speaker 13 (02:04:15):
Wow, that's amazing. As we leave, we had about thirty seconds.
I just wanted to quickly talk about the fact that
a lot of women are taking the stage, but they
also are keeping their day jobs. When we talk about
pay and pay in equity, how how far away do
you think you are from reaching that financial max that
you are looking for?

Speaker 42 (02:04:37):
Ooh, max, I hope I never reached the MAXE go going.

Speaker 12 (02:04:42):
Well, let me say this.

Speaker 42 (02:04:43):
I was I worked for an NPR afilly in Mississippi
Public Broadcasting for about six years and I quit in
twenty seventeen.

Speaker 12 (02:04:50):
I said, God send me a sign that it is
time for me to quit.

Speaker 42 (02:04:53):
And at the time, he sent Steve Harvey's manager, Rashan
McDonald to my office in Jackson, Mississippi, and he was like,
why are you here? And I quit twenty seventeen and
I am just making more money than I ever would
have had I just continued working for the radio station.
So it is important to take chances and believe in
yourself because when you have that crutch, well then you
don't dedicate the same amount of energy and time to

(02:05:15):
something if you have something to fall back on. So
I gave myself that ultimatum that I wasn't going to
have anything to fall back on, and my success is
my responsibility.

Speaker 12 (02:05:24):
So yeah, I hope to not reach a max. I
won't be ungrateful.

Speaker 42 (02:05:28):
I am doing well, but I'm still looking for that
big break and so I do appreciate you guys for
the support, and something like the Black Women in Comedy
Festival it could lead to that.

Speaker 5 (02:05:37):
Yeah, absolutely well, I want to thank you for being
with us.

Speaker 13 (02:05:40):
For those of you who are interested, the laugh Fest
is still going on until Sunday. It kicked off on
Juneteenth at the Lincoln Center. It really was extraordinary and
of course Rita your set it was perfect.

Speaker 5 (02:05:52):
It was just amazing. So people who don't know about you,
I fast check them out.

Speaker 13 (02:05:57):
I also want to give a quick little shout out
to the Black Girl Google's Festival down in New Orleans.

Speaker 5 (02:06:02):
That also happens where people come together and they do
some of the same.

Speaker 12 (02:06:06):
Good to see you, Rita, you too, thank you, Nice
to meet you, Thank you for having.

Speaker 5 (02:06:10):
Me all right? Absolutely all right.

Speaker 13 (02:06:12):
I also want to thank our panelists Matt and Kelly
and Michael.

Speaker 5 (02:06:16):
As always we've had a good time.

Speaker 3 (02:06:19):
He always do.

Speaker 1 (02:06:21):
We hold it down, so you hold it down.

Speaker 12 (02:06:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 22 (02:06:28):
And the timing. It's the timing for me, like you
respect our time. I'm here for the eight o'clock clock out.

Speaker 13 (02:06:37):
Like you're heading here for the eight o'clock all right,
someone behind the curtains things we're giving up to the
audience tonight. All right.

Speaker 5 (02:06:43):
Good to have all of you, and thank you everybody
for joining us.

Speaker 13 (02:06:46):
Is always good to fill in for Roland, who will
be here next time you tune in and make sure
to check out the podcast. Not all who was Malcolm
Jamal Warner. I'm hosting the show along with the UC Baraka.
Good to see everybody tonight. Hope you had this good
time as we did.

Speaker 5 (02:07:01):
Nice to keep you informed. You're watching Voler Martin and filtered.
Have a good night.

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