Shelby Co. v. Holder: 11 Years Later, GA Judge Booted From Bench, CNN Denies Black Media From Debate

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Today's Wednesday, June twenty six, twenty twenty four coming up
on Roland Martin unfilter streaming live on the Black Start Network.
Today is the eleventh anniversary of Chevy County's Holder Chevy
County versus Holder decision, with a Supreme Court significantly weekend
the nineteen sixty five Voting Rights Act. We'll look at

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what lawmakers had to say and talk to him. Blaney Campbell,
the President's thee of the National Coalition on Black Civil
Panicipation about that very decision. Also, the Supreme Court says
it is not a crime for state and local officials
to take gifts value at more than six thousand, five thousand.

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Dollars from donors.

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Who benefited from an officials efforts. Really. Also last night,
some big races all across the country, including a loss
from by Congressman Jamal Bowman will gover the election results.
Georgia Judge gets removed from the bench after allegedly assaulting
a police officer. Also of the first black female police

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chief in Lousville, Kentucky has resigned at the Miss Hanley
e sssual harassment claim. Plus NFL Hall of Famer Emma
Smith says Riggie Jackson's recent comments a proof that DEI
programs are needed.

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Plus Black on.

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Media in Atlanta pissed off with CNN for denying them
creditials to tomorrow's presidential debate. The CBC pack weighs in
it is time to bring the funk On'm Roland Martin
unfilcher on the Black said network, let's go.

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to politics with entertainment.

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Speaker 9 (08:56):
Well, we'll stay waiting for the Supreme Court to release
the ruly regarding pression community. But one story that jumps
out is pretty crazy. Today, the Supreme Court struck down
part of a federal anti corruption law making it a
crime for state and local officials to take gifts value
at more than five thousand dollars from donors who were
awarded lucrative contracts or other governmental benefits thanks to that official.

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In the sixty three vote, the justices overturned the conviction
of a former Indiana mayor who asked for and took
a thirteen thousand dollar bride from the owners of a
local truck dealership after he helped them win one point
one million dollars in city contracts for purchasing garbage trucks. Now,
what's crazy about this ruling is is what they laid out.

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They said that, well, you know what, the law really
isn't clear. Prosecutors like, what are you talking about? The
law eels, the law is real clear.

Speaker 6 (09:55):
How do you.

Speaker 9 (09:56):
Come to that conclusion? It's no shock that you would
have this court make that decision, considering you have people
like Justice Alito and Justice Clarence Thomas who have taken
to Thomas cases four million dollars in gifts from various people.
Talk about absolutely crazy. Introducing my panel right now from
the Fair Election to Center, Rebecca Carruthers joining us out

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of DC. Glad to have you here, Rebecca, Robert Pattillo,
people Passionate Politics, thirteen eighty w aok out of Atlanta,
and also stay Representative Gelma Jones out of Houston's also
an attorney. Glad to have all three of you here, Rebecca.
This court is crazy and the first one what these
conservatives have done is consistently, Rebecca chip away at this

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particular law. They've allowed other politicians to get away with
the accepting bribes and taking gifts. He can go back
to Bob McDonald when he was the governor of Virginia.
They overturned his conviction as well. But this ruling here insane.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Thank you, Roland.

Speaker 15 (11:05):
And so this is what's clear is that the Supreme
Court is letting us know that they are for sale.
They're making it clear with this particular ruling. And they
also protect their own because if the Supreme Court didn't
rule this way, then what happens to Clarence Clarence Thomas,
what happens to Neil Gorsich, what happens to all of
those folks where there's rumors that they're receiving gifts, lavish

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trips from would be donors. I think this is bad
for American politics. I think this is bad for the
American judiciary. We should not have the appearance of corruption
and we shouldn't have actual corruption. And so basically what
we saw the Supreme Court do was legalized corruption.

Speaker 9 (11:45):
I mean, what's what's unbelievable here, Robert, is that I'm
reading this story from Vox here and and and what
they basically say is that officials can accept gratuities from
people who wish to reward them for their official actions.

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That's the whole point of the law, so you don't
make decisions for the purpose of saying, now, hook me up.

Speaker 16 (12:19):
At least they're being honest.

Speaker 17 (12:20):
Finally, I mean, it's not as that these things weren't
going gone the entire time, and all of this didn't
know they are going on the entire time. But it's
just about time that we are all adults now we
realize this is a corrupt system and we need to
stop calling it a democracy. It's not a democracy, it's
not a republic. It's an oligarchy. If you have money,
you get you get a different set of rules in

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America than anyone else. And the sooner we realize this
and that we accept this, the sooner we can start
fighting back against that. But as long we keep thinking
that this is the idea, one person, one vote, and
the hard working men and women in this country have
an opportunity to make a change. No, it's about money.
The Supreme Court, their rulers are based on money. So

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that's going to be the case. Let's get us some
money together and see how much we can buy one
of these justices for it. Sounds like Clarence Thomas costs
about four million dollars so let's find out how we
can get four million dollars and buy Clarence Thomas if
it's that simple, and that's what we need to do.
Is that that's what's going to take for us to
get our legislative legenda moved. We can either hope for
the better angel of America to change, or we can
get to go fund me together by Clarence Thomlins on

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clearance somewhere and then get these things done quickly, because
it seems that we're playing by a different set of
rules than everybody else are playing by.

Speaker 9 (13:29):
You look at this here, this is crazy, Julanda. The
case is called Schneider diversity. The United States got by iPad.
This is what So this is what Justice Britt Kavanaugh said.
They say there's a distinction between bribes and gratuities. Kavanaugh rights.
Bribes are payments made or agreed to before an official

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act in order to influence the official with respect to
that future official act. Gratuities quote are typically payments made
to an official after an official act as a token
of appreciation. So basically, what the Supreme Court is saying is, Julanda,
I need you to hook me up in getting this

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contract with the state of Texas, and oh, don't worry
about it. I'm gonna take care of you after the fact.
Don't worry about it. I will tip you after the fact.
I will show my appreciation for your diligent work and
making sure I get that contract after the fact.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
It's the same thing.

Speaker 18 (14:36):
So first of all, we can have an agreement in advance,
don't pay me till afterwards. So really you're buying me,
that's what you're doing. But I would respectfully disagree that
we need to hold a gofund me because because of
the history of discrimination in this country, we ain't got
as much money as white people.

Speaker 12 (14:56):
We just don't.

Speaker 8 (14:58):
They always go have more money times.

Speaker 18 (15:01):
So I also think that Alito and Thomas had to
vote the way that they voted because they already bought
and paid for is concerning to me because elected officials
generally listen to two classes of people. One people that
have money who can buy them or they can buy

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votes for them, or they can afford to get people
to the polls, or to people that organize. And it's
much easier for people who have money. So it's discouraging.
As a lawyer for thirty years. It's also more discouraging
because there is something called starry decisives, which means basically,
this has already been decided and we're going to follow

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the law because it's a law. And now this activist
Supreme Court that has a super majority of Republicans basically
go along and they create new laws. And that's a
problem as a lawyer because we generally know what the
lawy is, and we generally know whether our clients have
meritorious cases, and we can defend on our guests depend

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on like the letter of the law, which when we
get to this eleventh anniversary of the gutting the Voting
Rights Act, we'll see why when you change the law,
it throws our rights into limbo. And I will tell
you that people that are most often discriminated against against

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unfair laws are black people around the world. So I'm disappointed,
I'm not surprised.

Speaker 8 (16:35):
And this is a perfect example.

Speaker 18 (16:37):
Of why elections matter because the vote was along party lines,
and the Republicans always have more money than us. And
if that's the standard democrats and poor people, we are
in some deep, deep deep.

Speaker 9 (16:49):
And and to the point that you just made there,
go to my iPad. This is what is In this
Vox story, it says Kavanaugh's majority opinion, meanwhile, relies heavily
on policy arguments and other claims that go beyond the
statute's text. He does attempt to make a textual argument.
Cavedll notes that the statue at issuing Snider like a

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different statue that only concerns bribes, uses the word corruptly.
But his best arguments are a textual and that's the
whole deal. So what this court is doing, they literally,
as you said, they're making up their own rules. They're
not even deciding cases based upon the case in front
of them, even that we're waiting for this community decision.
In the questions that they were raised, they were raising

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questions and oral arguments that had nothing to do with
the case in front of them. And so this ruling
is really going to probably be this broader ruling that
has nothing to do with the case in front of them.
And so and Republicans always talk about activist judges, Well,
what the hell do we have here then? Six conservative

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conservative activist judges.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
God say something.

Speaker 18 (18:00):
As a lawyer, generally, when things go on appeal, the
only thing that matters are the four corners of the document.

Speaker 8 (18:06):
Right, So the specific law.

Speaker 18 (18:08):
The Supreme Court historically is known for making very narrow
decisions dealing with the specific portion of the law. So
for them to go outside of the four corners of
the document and bring in and the arguments that we're
made in court and then the appeals all the way
up is.

Speaker 8 (18:25):
Stuff that just hasn't been done before.

Speaker 18 (18:28):
And again, as a lawyer, it's scary because I don't
know what the rules are. How can I play a
game when the rules are being fixed, when the goal
line is being moved. It's not right, and it's unjust,
and quite frankly as Unamerican if we want to use
words that Republicans try to claim for their own, so
it's an oxymoron, it's hypocritical when you have Republicans who

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cling onto the Constitution, who are literally destroying the freaking
document and its amendments.

Speaker 9 (18:58):
Absolutely go ahead.

Speaker 17 (19:01):
Y'all got to stop trying to hold Republicans to what
they said previously.

Speaker 16 (19:05):
That was way back then. This is now. Now.

Speaker 17 (19:07):
They're admitting to the lives they've been telling you, and
they're admitting to who they really have always been. They've
never cared about the Constitution, the constitutions of convenient cover
for them when they didn't want to buy by the
civil rights laws. They are now making it very clear
that if you want something done in America, you better
show up with a enough bunny to tip at the end.
And I would love to see somebody using this as

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precedents and a prostitution case to say that, look, I
wasn't paying for it. I was just tipping her afterwards,
because it's the same process. And now that we know
what the rules are going forward that now it's paid
to play by Supreme Court filed. Let's understand that that's
the rules and get the money together we're gonna need
for the legislation we want. Now we know the rules,
now we can play by them.

Speaker 9 (19:47):
Well ahead.

Speaker 15 (19:50):
If we're going to go there, okay, they're Monica Conyers,
expunge on dollar Bill Jefferson's record, Then overturn Rod blagoy bitch,
stop sender Menendez from going to prison, then clean up
Ray Nagan's on record. So if we're gonna go there,
then let's go there. Then you know, but this this

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is bad. I don't even know that the Supreme Court
has really thought about all of the ramifications of this
because I'm thinking about all the politicians in Chicago, New Jersey, Louisiana.
You know, we've seen these cases. I think this is
going to be very bad for our democracy.

Speaker 9 (20:29):
Absolutely, all right, hotech one second, when we come when
we come back, we'll talk about again the Supreme Court
gutting the Voting Rights Act, uh and the implications and
what that has meant for our yes, so called democracy.
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Mandy was the anniversary of the Dobbs decision over turning
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Speaker 9 (29:09):
Today is the anniversary of the Shelby the Holder decision,
which eleven years ago Supreme Court got it the nineteen
sixty five Voting Rights Act Section five, which required jurisdictions
with the heretory discrimination against Minardi voters to seek approval
from the DOJ before changing voting laws. Well, you know,
as soon as that came down, oh lord, the Republicans

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lost their mind. It was Chief Justice John Roberts who
said the preclearance requirement was unnecessary because voting discrimination was
less prevalent then it had once been. Really okay, all right,
So Democrats today talked about the importance of that and

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how critical it is. Joining us right now is bell
on Ny Campbell, President's CEO, the National Coalition on Black
CIVI Patient the winging as well. And here's the thing
that that part right there is still stuck on stupid,
where John Roberts figures, oh, things have been so great,
we can all get rid of it. No fool The
reason we have seen the progress is because that was

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always the backstop. They couldn't screw over people because they
knew they needed to get cleared.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Growing great to be with you tonight.

Speaker 24 (30:26):
There's another example, and it reminds us that foolishness didn't
just start with the Supreme Court in recent times.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
We've been dealing with this.

Speaker 24 (30:36):
Now for well over a decade, and shall be Beholder
case is an example of that.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
And the same court has taken the gloves off.

Speaker 24 (30:49):
In there being a arm of the Republican Party and they.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Have no shame about it. And so we know.

Speaker 24 (30:58):
Elections matter, and the Supreme Court is something we really
better pay much more attention.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
We've got to do.

Speaker 24 (31:06):
I don't know how we're gonna get folks to do
it wrong, but we got to get them to understand
that this election. The next president of the United States,
who gets elected in twenty twenty four will likely have
two seats that they can feel on that Supreme Court.
We're talking about if you pick up two seats.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Like the first three, the last three.

Speaker 24 (31:26):
That were put on there by Donald Trump, they would
be able to rule and wipe.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Out rights that would last for decades. So it's a
lot running on this.

Speaker 24 (31:38):
And so when you talk about what happened yesterday anniversary,
these addiversaries now are anniversaries of us losing our rights
that have had as opposed to anniversaries of being able
to use about how we're moving forward in this country.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
So there's a lot of sake in Supreme Court.

Speaker 24 (31:59):
I think people to be getting educated by it, but
I don't think the average.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Person is really paying attention concerned.

Speaker 9 (32:05):
What people don't understand is like it's literally after the
Supreme Court decision, these Republican legislatures raced to change laws.
They started shutting down polling locations, they started instituting voter
id uh. I mean all of these laws, all of
these happen. Things happened after this change. And people always

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got to remember before this, every time the Voting Rights
Act came out to be reauthorized, it was passed huge
numbers of Republicans and Democrats.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
That's right, two thousand and six. I remember being in
your hometown in Houston, was.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
Lead.

Speaker 24 (32:43):
We were working and having those hearings and how it
was bipartisan. It was, I think it was almost one
hundred percent vote in the citate and it was bipartisan.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
But but what.

Speaker 24 (32:53):
Were you having as a party that has decided that
in order to maintain power, then the structure doesn't work
for them. So dismantling the whole system, even with its laws.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Is what they're doing. And so it won't matter about
who you vote for. It won't you talk about one
person won't vote, It won't matter.

Speaker 24 (33:13):
It doesn't matter. We want to stay in power by
any means necessary. And they are serious about it, and
we better get serious about what that means for our
community in this nation.

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Jana, I'm really interested and I'm really thankful to talking
about this because here in Harrison County, if you're recall,
Chris Hollins was over our elections and we had very
favorable opportunities.

Speaker 8 (33:40):
I'll say that for black people to vote.

Speaker 18 (33:42):
We had twenty four hour voting, we had Sunday voting,
We had all these things to make it easier to
vote and not more difficult to vote.

Speaker 8 (33:50):
Now, the Republicans were kicking in the screen once.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
They changed all these.

Speaker 18 (33:55):
Rules, Jerry Mannering is the name of the game for
Republicans once you didn't have to go get pre clearance.
And for people that don't understand legal nerves, right preclearance
is you have a history of discriminating against whoever. So
before you can change voting rules for those people to vote,
you have to go to the federal government and make
sure that the plan that the laws that you want

(34:17):
to change are not going to disenfranchise in So for
eleven straight years, and it will continue, it will continue
until we stop them by voting Republicans at office. True story,
they're going to continue to dismantle. So people are looking
at districts in their respective states that don't make a
lick of sense for the people that live in those districts, and.

Speaker 8 (34:39):
They make it where there's more difficult.

Speaker 18 (34:41):
For minorities to go vote, especially black people. And I'll
also say this right now is six ' three. I
used to be on this show called Survivor. I did
not understand that. Did I watch the damn show before
I was on it. I was on a team of
nine and I was in an alliance of three. Let
me be clear, three beats six. Ever, that's exactly what

(35:03):
we have on the Supreme Court right now. Before Donald
Trump was elected and put on three, the Republicans have
three votes on.

Speaker 8 (35:12):
The Supreme Court. The Democrats had the six.

Speaker 18 (35:15):
Now when Donald Trump replaced three people, it's now six ' three.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Two of the justices.

Speaker 18 (35:22):
Are going to leave doing the next presidency, which is
important while we need a Democrat president because it.

Speaker 8 (35:29):
Gets replaced two.

Speaker 18 (35:30):
So if you take the six that the Republicans have
now on the court, because if someone said before the
Supreme Court is just another arm of the right wing
Republican party, you take two from six, you get four
and then you add three to the add two to
the three.

Speaker 8 (35:47):
We have, it will be five to four. At least
we have a chance.

Speaker 18 (35:50):
To preserve some of our democracy and some of the fairness.
So absolutely the courts are on the ballots there are,
and I suspect that as the Supreme Court listens to
more cases, more of the rights than our predecessors and
our ancestors fought for us to have that third Good
Marshall fought for us to have that.

Speaker 8 (36:09):
Rosa Parks fought for us to have that.

Speaker 18 (36:11):
Martin Luther King bought for us to have We're going
to lose those rights and trust and believe black people.
You think that it can get worse, it absolutely can.
So we have got to teach black history and DEI
so people can understand how we're going backwards, because what
we have is a lot.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Of people or Lincoln and.

Speaker 8 (36:32):
Not being attention to the big picture.

Speaker 9 (36:34):
Melan did oh, my sister, right, we're in where really
at war Roland.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
This is not whether the pendulum swings just.

Speaker 24 (36:47):
Oh well, you know the pendulum swing, there's not going
to be a pendulum to swing back.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
If you if you if what they're continue to do
with these capses in the Supreme Court.

Speaker 8 (36:58):
When they stacked the court.

Speaker 24 (37:00):
And yes, the Biden Heresa administration has definitely replaced a
lot of judges, but not enough, especially in the South
where we are, especially where a lot of these things
are happening. And so the reality that folks will be
able to.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Do indiscriminately continue.

Speaker 24 (37:18):
Georgia just passed a whole other set of rules because Roland,
you know, they look at how we vote, and then
every cycle they look at how we vote, and depending
on who's in control the state legislature and the governor's office,
they decide how if they're in a red state, not
just pack I'm not being part of sans just facts.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Then they figure out, okay, well, how do we make.

Speaker 24 (37:39):
Sure that the next time they vote that we can
make sure that we suppress even more votes.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
And so that's where we are. And so this Supreme Court.

Speaker 24 (37:49):
If they have the ability to put two more justices on.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
That court, it's a new day.

Speaker 24 (37:57):
And it's not a good day for our community because
the other part of it, folks are already setting up
in case their candidate doesn't win, to try to come
after and still come back and try to nullify if
that if their candidate as a win. And I'm talking
about the Republican Party. I'm not advocating because I am nonpartisans,

(38:17):
but I am I can't read, and I can pay attention,
and we got to make sure how people are paying
attention to how we know. The economic situation is dire
in our Every level of upward mobility is under attack.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
It's on the ballot, diversity, equity.

Speaker 24 (38:34):
Inclusions on the ballot, voting, right, prints rights.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
The ability for us to organize as labor.

Speaker 24 (38:40):
Unions, anything that impacts the masses with a multi racial uh,
a country that we have, it's under attack.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
They want a small group of people who.

Speaker 24 (38:52):
Have means, rich folks who have means to control.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Last I checked that is that was a time.

Speaker 24 (39:00):
I can see, uh, you know, Aliy whatever, right, The
reality is they want to rich folks to run everything
and vote won't matter.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
They want to set it up.

Speaker 24 (39:09):
And so whether you're black or brown, or young or
anything that could see that progressive and not about a
few people controlling and put a fascist in place. Right,
we've seen that fact. I'm so glad people to talk
about the hair that the twenty five plan. I know
you've talked about it.

Speaker 9 (39:29):
On your show and everywhere.

Speaker 24 (39:31):
It's like look, it's like look at your eyes.

Speaker 21 (39:35):
Are not it?

Speaker 24 (39:35):
But you got to pay attention and got to make
sure that we sound the alarm in our community.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
This is not what you could vote on.

Speaker 15 (39:44):
Let me quick, Rebecca, Hey, Melanie, it's really good to
see you tonight. So we know in Georgia is now
a fella need to give someone food or drink if
they're standing in line to vote. We know in Florida,
if you help two or more folks turn in their
apps see ballots, that is.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Now a felony to do.

Speaker 15 (40:03):
So we know in states like Kentucky and Virginia there's
arbitrary voting rights restoration for convicted. We know in Arizona
there's show your papers, and we know that in Wisconsin
there's many voters that were purged off of.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
The voting roles.

Speaker 15 (40:21):
So with that said, we also have a lot of
targeted misinformation and disinformation towards black folks in this country
headed into the elections. So what do we need to
be doing to make sure that we're convincing black folks
to turn out to vote in November?

Speaker 2 (40:37):
And what support do black.

Speaker 15 (40:39):
Voters need to hear in order to turn out in November.

Speaker 6 (40:46):
Melanie, good to see you too, sister.

Speaker 24 (40:52):
We need to be organizing now, and a lot of
organizations are, but we've got to we've got to turn
the heat. We've got to get on the ground. It
is not something we're going to be able to do
on our telephones. It's not gonna be just doing the
text banking campaign and say that's how we go.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
We got to get in.

Speaker 24 (41:08):
It's hard work, right, but our assessors have gone through
a whole lot worse, and so that's what it's gonna take.
It's gonna take us organizers together. It's going to take
Roland being able to make sure that you and others
are able to get the access that you need. By
the way, in order to be able to make sure
that our communities get information from trusted boards.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
We know with so many other things, we got this
situation we're.

Speaker 24 (41:32):
Talking about with the courts, and so there's a lot
of things coming at us.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
But we are a resilient people.

Speaker 24 (41:38):
And if we weren't, if it wasn't, if it didn't matter,
it wouldn't be bothering us. So we got to make
sure that we help build this country and we're not
going anywhere. You know, we are doing that department that
we've been doing our power to ballot campaigns this last year, right,
and we're gonna keep on doing what we do. But
we also need to come together and make sure that
were strategized because the attacks are going to come.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Through social media, through.

Speaker 24 (42:02):
Artificial intelligence, are also going to be things that we
don't be much more robust, and so we've got to
find ways to make sure that folks will get in
good information in order to make sure that we're able
to vote, but have that vote counted.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
All right, opportunities forward. We got a lot of work
to do.

Speaker 6 (42:22):
But we can get it done, all right, Melli.

Speaker 9 (42:25):
Can we appreciate it?

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Thanks you a lot, Thank you so much, Roland.

Speaker 6 (42:29):
All right for us we come back.

Speaker 9 (42:30):
We're going to talk about Reggie Jackson. He made some
comments this week at the Historic Game taking place at
Birmingham about how he had to deal with racism. But
also he did another Q and A where he talked
about Bear Bryant, he straight telling him to his face
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Speaker 9 (45:31):
Here is Sean Murray, the executive producer of the new
Sherry Supper Talk show you're watching roland Mark unfiltered. A

(46:14):
lot of races across the country last night. One of
them that was closely watched was that of Congressman Jamal Bowman.
He lost a reelection in the primary to George Latimer
in the sixteen district congressional race. According to the ad
tracking at Impact, the race between Bowman and Latimore drew
more than twenty five million dollars in ad spending a
lot of that from APAK. It was the most expensive

(46:35):
House primary in history. That's right, in history. Last night,
here's Bowman conceding defeat but promising that the broader fight
for humanity injustice will continue.

Speaker 7 (46:48):
This movement has always been about justice. It has always
been about humanity, It has always been about equality, and
it was always has always been about our collective liberation.

(47:13):
This movement has always been about.

Speaker 9 (47:16):
Now, folks. That was that particular race last night. That
were some other races that we saw taking place. One
of them, when you talk about some of these local
elections that took place, one of them was actually in
in New York State where you had a long time

(47:37):
district attorney go to my ipa, a longtime DA who
was running who often opposed Coonel justice reform. Well, guess
what he lost in Albany County to Democratic primary Lee Kinlin,
a progressive d A. And so that was a race.
In Colorado, Lauren Bobert won her particular race. In South Carolina,

(48:01):
Pastor Mark Burns was endorsed by Donald Trump, well, guess
what he lost his race. And in South Carolina, the
three white conservative Republicans, three women who stood in opposition
to an abortion bill in South Carolina, all three of
them lost their primaries. Let's go to my panel here.

(48:25):
This is the thing that we constantly talk about, starting
with you, Robert, local racist matter. Too much focus is
often on what's happening nationally, and when you talk about campaigns,
judicial racist, DA racist, state rep state senate, county, government,
city hall, school board, on and on and on, all
of these have a direct impact on public policy in

(48:48):
the lives of everyday people.

Speaker 16 (48:52):
Are exactly correct.

Speaker 17 (48:53):
And this is why it's so important for us to
focus on those races, because when coming to criminal justice reform,
nobody's going to do that better than your local judges,
your das, your prosecutors, you're a police chief, your sheriff,
et cetera. And that can be voted on on the
local level, whether or not the Justice Department or the
by day administration or Congress moves on it.

Speaker 16 (49:12):
You can make those things happen on the local level.

Speaker 17 (49:15):
But also we have to, and we talked about in
the first segment, we have to look at the impact
that some of these outside groups and their spendings have
on these local races. Jamal Bowman having to go up
against twenty million dollars of outside money because he believes
in the rights of Palestinians so that they should not
be WHI should I have thirty thousand children being bombed

(49:35):
to death and Gaza. I think that's just chills up
the spines of everyone in this country. This idea that
you have Congress people that are no longer accountable to
the voters in their district. They're accountable to Netting Yahoo,
They're accountable to what these special interest groups do from
across the world and across the country. This very much

(49:57):
shows us that if you stand up and speak out
against certain groups in America, no matter how secure you
are in your seat, they can flood the zone with
enough money to defeat almost anybody. Then we saw the
Democratic establishment Hillary Clinton endorsing his opponent, other members of
the mainstream Democratic Party, basically bending the knee before apek
We so John Fetterman meeting with neddie Ga, who after

(50:19):
neddie Gow who insaulted the US earlier this week. We
have to start taking control over our local elections and
now allowing money, special interest groups, and foreign power to
decide who represents our communities. Otherwise we will no longer
have a voice in this oligarthical system.

Speaker 9 (50:33):
And I'm looking at there was a piece here that
I didn't even realize this. So Elizabeth Epps, she was
an abolitionist. Rebecca, she shocked folks when she won her
race two years ago. But just last night, and look

(50:55):
when she went to the Colorado Legislature. I mean she
was sitting here kicking butt, was challenging Democrats left and right. Well,
the governor backed another person running against her, and she
lost her primary last night. This is a perfect This
is a perfect example if people have to understand every

(51:18):
election matters. When you have somebody who when you have
strong progressive voices, you have to recognize that, hey, they
might have won two years ago, but if they pissed
people off, people are going to come after them, which
means that those voters have to keep doing the work

(51:39):
and you got to keep showing up.

Speaker 15 (51:42):
Yeah, you know, And oftentimes this is less about the
actual voters but more about the local party politics. Even
if we go back to New York on Congressional District sixteen,
Jamal Bowman's seat, in twenty twenty, it was about thirty
percent black, thirty four percent white. Now this year it
is twenty one percent black, forty two percent white. We

(52:06):
know that white voters don't always vote for black candidates,
so now the district was within four points between black
voters and white voters, and now it's doubled the amount
of white voters versus black voters. So I would say
even Jamal Bowman's relationship with the local Democratic Party probably
led to that Jaredmandering happening in a way that wasn't

(52:28):
racially advantageous for where Jamal Bowman's politics are.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
And I'll be curious looking at EPSE to.

Speaker 15 (52:35):
See if there was a redrawing of her particular political
subdivision and to understand what that racial makeup is. And
I say that to say is that we talk about
Republicans playing dirty, but also Democrats play dirty too, and
when it comes to these primaries, we're seeing that the
progressive voices are being overshadowed by more than mainstream voices,

(52:56):
even seeing what HAKM Jeffrey's staff and Hockey Jeffries's office
itself said about Jamal Bowman and trying to pay Jamal
as being anti Semitic when you and I both know
that Jamal Bowman is not anti Semitic.

Speaker 9 (53:11):
Well, first of all, Jeffries Jeffrey endorse Bowmen.

Speaker 15 (53:20):
There were some comments that was released by his staff
earlier today that seemed to criticize Jamal Bowman.

Speaker 25 (53:27):
So it was interesting, Oh no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no no no, what you just what you're talking
about is So what happened is the Justice Democrats criticized
Congressman how King Jeffries saying he did not come to
the district to campaign for him, and his people fired
back at them.

Speaker 9 (53:45):
So that was the exchange between his communications people and
the Justice Democrats. The thing here, Jalanda is look, you've
been on a city council, you've been on the school board,
now now statelylegislature. Uh that people don't seem to understand
what Rebecca was just talking about the redrawing of lines.

(54:07):
Reality is when you have redistricting. These things happen when
people don't realize is people people when they look at maps,
it's about how can you maximize power? And so let's shoot,
We're just going to take Houston for an example. You
had efforts to redefine and how do you redraw school
school district boundaries. That was before the Texas Education Agency

(54:28):
in the state Republicans took the district over. You have
a community college where you had folks sitting here, and
what they do is they study the maps and okay,
we can take a percentage here and a percentage here
and move folks around. How do you configure maps to
guarantee victories? We see those things happening.

Speaker 6 (54:48):
Then then you.

Speaker 9 (54:49):
Start talking about city council and then state rep and
then state Senate. I mean, that's the stuff that people
don't understand. And so in the case of Bowman, his
where the district that he ran in twenty twenty four
was totally different than when he beat Ellen Ingle in
twenty twenty and so you also have to make adjustments

(55:12):
when you're running when these things happened because the agenda
that you might be advocating for four years ago no.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
Longer fits the district that you're now in.

Speaker 8 (55:24):
You are speaking truth to power.

Speaker 18 (55:27):
It's like what they tried to do with Congressman Now
Green and Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee. They literally tried to
combine those and lose a black seat. Now, thankfully we
were we had some people in the legislature who had
a lot of seniority, which matters in the Texas legislature,
and they were able to prevent that. The Congresswoman Jackson
Lee's district was totally different. They got rid of some

(55:48):
black people. It's still a seventy percent like I think
minority district, but it's not like it was a safe
black Democratic seat. With Congressman Green, they gave him more Hispanics.

Speaker 8 (56:02):
So they're doing stuff to little by little chip away.

Speaker 18 (56:05):
And what people don't understand is that local politics, the
elected officials locally are more likely to know what's going
on in your neighborhood what's wrong. But I think that
what we need to do is elected officials, is we
need to pay attention, like Roland said, to these new lines,
and if they give us a new tepritory, we need
to go and we need to speak with those people,

(56:26):
listen to their issues so that we can address those issues.
So the campaign that I run this year is not
going to be the same campaign as I ran two
years ago, so they do make it very different. But
it's discouraging to know that you can buy elections, which
again is why that Shelby the Holder decision was problematic
because it allowed outside introduce, as has been said before,

(56:50):
to come in and buy elections. And I'm telling you,
even if someone gets elected locally, those are spring boards
to bigger elected office is where you could do more
damages across the country.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
So we need to.

Speaker 18 (57:04):
Take attention, and Bowman's loss should make us all pay
attention and try to make sure that we're not at
the wrong end of that boulder.

Speaker 9 (57:14):
Indeed, indeed, all right, folks, hold type one second, we
come back. You know, let's just lethould just do it
right now. So all right, so this morning this morning
my phone started ringing from black folks in black media
saying they were denied credentials by CNN for tomorrow's presidential debate.
I was like, tell that about So I posted a

(57:36):
tweet tag the head of corporate pr for CNN saying, hey,
how y'all just freezing out black on media. So then
at twelve seven pm I then send an email to
the folks at CNN saying, hey, listen, black on media
is important. Here's the whole deal. So y'all should you,

(57:59):
don't you know, rectify this? And nothing happened. Well, what
then happened is folks start turned up that heat. And
so about four o'clock you had the folks at the
Atlanta Black Star. They dropped this story here with the
headline disrespectful. Seeing In excludes black American media from twenty

(58:19):
twenty four president debate in Atlanta, but approved credentials for
reporters from other countries. And so they say that, well,
you know how, you're going to have, you know, reporters
from all across the globe cover this debate, but you
don't take care of folks who are right here in
the United States. And so and then so and actually

(58:41):
seeing In actually hit me back with a statement, I'm
going to show you exactly what they said to me,
and then also just give me a second. And then
so give me one second. We pull this email up
to show you, and this is from Emily Coombs. She
is ku Hn, she is the head of corporate communications.

(59:02):
So I sent the email to her as well as
to the big boss at CNN, Mark Thompson, and so
she goes, Hi, Roland, thank you for the note. We're
welcoming more than eight hundred journalist from around the world
to Atlanta this week to cover the scene in presidential debate.
Information about how to apply for media credentials was made
available to the public on May fifteenth in the announcement

(59:23):
and confirmation of a debate. Unfortunately, do to size and
security constraints, we're unable to accommodate additional credential requests following
our June seventh application deadline, which was also communicated. There
have been many requests for credentials since June seventh, and again,
do to size and security constraints, were simply unable to
accommodate Emily, and so that's what she actually sent to me. There. Now,

(59:50):
the Congression of Black Caucus Political Action Committee, well, they
weighed in and this is the statement that they dropped.
This came from Congressman and Gregory mix Is said today
half of the Congressional Black Caucus CBC PAC chairman, Representative
Gregorymix released the following statement and monishing CNN for excluding
black on Media from covering the CNN presidential debate and

(01:00:11):
calling on CNN to act immediately to credential a minimum
of ten black owned media outlets. This afternoon, we learned
that CNN has credential eight hundred members of the media
for the first presidential debate of the election cycle. Not
not one represents a black on media outlet. CNN's exclusion
of black on media represents an egregious oversight and is
totally unacceptable. CNN must immediately credential black owned media outlets

(01:00:34):
ahead of tomorrow night's debate. Failed to do so is
a choice an offense to Black Americans that cannot stand.
We're calling on CNN to credential a minimum of ten
black on media outlets for tomorrow's debate. Black OneD media
provides a provides a critical, trusted source of information to
our communities, and the role in our democracy must be

(01:00:56):
respected and honored by c In in So's that's that
was where the CBC pack had posted a little about
about thirty or forty minutes ago Ebony magazine Give me
one second. I got this text message because Ebony magazine
dropped the story of theirs. Let's see if I can

(01:01:20):
find it here. It is their headlines, CNN's exclusion of
black media raises concerns over influence and voting suppression. And
so this is their story and they say seeing in
refuse to secure creditials for any black media outlet ahead
of the first twenty four, twenty twenty four presidential debate.
And so they lay out in here what took place?

(01:01:43):
I do know? And then it says here at the
Biden Hairs campaign, which is actively advocated for the inclusion
in presence of local and national black outlets at Thursday debate,
they're gonna be hosting an exclusive gaggle, a more informal
press briefing that does not allowed video of the actual debate.
This movie is seen by Minis and attempt to address
the concerns raised by black media as the Biden Harris
campaign seeks to optimize visibility for black and brown voters

(01:02:07):
who play a pivolar role in the election season. Now,
there are a lot of people who have hit me
and they said, well, rolling where they didn't deny you. No,
we were not denied. We never applied. We had no
plans on traveling to Atlanta to color debate because I'm
not gonna spend money just stitting in the big ass
room when I can literally do it right here in
my studio. And so tomorrow night, y'all, to show the graphic,

(01:02:29):
we're gonna have our own coverage right here. We're gonna
have our panels in studio, we're gonna have pre debate coverage,
We're gonna simulcassa debate. Then we're gonna have post debate
coverage taking place as well. And so that's what we
are doing. So we'll be having at least four, potentially
five hours of coverage of his first presidential debate taking

(01:02:50):
place tomorrow, beginning at eight pm Eastern. That will not
be a show at six pm Eastern. And so this
is one of the things that and so here's what
you have. You're seeing saying, hey, there was a deadline.
But here's the thing that people like seeing in don't
get and they need to understand this.

Speaker 6 (01:03:08):
And I deal with this all the time.

Speaker 9 (01:03:10):
I deal with this with campaigns, I deal with this
people on Capitol Hill.

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
So what happens is mainstream.

Speaker 9 (01:03:15):
Media people they think they only talk to themselves. They go, oh, well,
we're all sort of in this same thing, so therefore
we know. What they don't understand is not everybody is
in that world. Happens all the time. Things will happen
on Capitol Hill and they'll say, oh, we got pool coverage.

Speaker 6 (01:03:35):
It happened.

Speaker 9 (01:03:36):
It happened when Vice President Harris went, we shared one
of the trips. Uh, and the same thing when they
had the lawns for the Biden Harris Blacks of Biden
Harris and Philadelphia, like, we have pool coverage. And I
had to explain to them, hey, everybody can't.

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
Afford the pool.

Speaker 9 (01:03:53):
It actually cost significant amounts of money to be in
the In the Washington Dco give you a perfect example.
When seeing Inn initially was talking about this debate, they
were talking about, oh, sharing it with the pool in
terms of how it goes out, but if you're not in,
it doesn't work. We are members of the Associated Press.

(01:04:15):
We pay Associated Press about one hundred and seventy thousand
dollars a year. People don't understand is there are levels
of the Associated Press, so there are a lot of
things that we will see. It says US out meaning
no US outlet can stream that particular event.

Speaker 6 (01:04:34):
We deal with that all the time.

Speaker 9 (01:04:37):
And so I can understand a lot of the black
OneD media outlets not even being aware of these procedures
here because that's not what you do every single day.
There are media outlets in this country, y'all. I was
at CNN for six years. Okay, a lot of these
outlets they have staff who's sole job is to do

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those things, to literally handle credentially. You don't even have
to sit here. It's like the boss to decide, oh,
we're gonna bring seventy five one hundred people. They go,
here's the list, Boom, boom. You don't even do anything.
Next thing, you know, got your credential, whatever the heck no,
And so these things happen. We have, we've had to
deal with this when you when you cover the political conventions. See,

(01:05:23):
so you would think all of y'all at home, y'all
would think, oh, Democrat Political Convention, National Convention, Republicannational Convention,
which means that if you're gonna get a credential as
a media to cover it, that means you're gonna go
through the DNC, go through the RNC. Nope, guests, who
gets who controls the credentialing the Radio and Television Gallery

(01:05:46):
on Capitol Hill. They control that process. Well if you're
because here's the deal. They go, well, everybody covers Capitol Hill.

Speaker 6 (01:05:56):
No, we don't.

Speaker 9 (01:05:59):
So every four years we typically have problems dealing with
the people in the radio TV Gallery and then what
we have to then do is go to the DNC
and the RNC and say, hey, yo, they tripping. That
happened in twenty sixteen. I had to deal with Sean
Spicer to make sure we had credentials to cover the
Republican aatric convention in Cleveland. W ain't going this year.

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Waste the money, and so we have to deal with
him on that, and so we've had to do the
workaround to deal with that. And so that's what the
seeings of the world have to understand. Here's what I
think makes sense right here, miss it. It's eight hundred people.
You have security restraints, you have time constraints. Robert, here's
to me what makes sense. You've been Atlanta Black Star

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and Atlanta Daily Atlanta Voice saying hey, what the hell
is going on? First of all, you can't be in
the Black Mecca and you're gonna leave out two black
Atlanta newspapers.

Speaker 6 (01:06:51):
Now to me, what makes.

Speaker 9 (01:06:52):
Sense is the CBC totally understand it. Hey ten credentials,
not sure how many you can get. But first thing,
seeing in credential the Atlanta people, Okay, that's first. And
the other deal is is here in NPA, which represents
all the black newspapers, they applied for credential, and I
saw Stacy Brown's tweet where they applied. They were told sorry,

(01:07:15):
too late. Now the Atlanta Voice is a member of
n n PA, so they can provide their coverage to
n n PA for all of their newspapers. Okay, they
can actually get that teams, that's actually what you do.
And I saw, I know that Black Enterprise Ebony applied
the shade room. And so the thing here is if

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seeing in what seeing this should have done? Again when
I said the the even a twelve o seven and
realize that hey this might blow up quietly, go okay,
well credential these five people boom, there you go. No story.
Then you don't get the Atlanta Black Star story. You
don't get the Ebony story, you don't get the CBC
pack story, you don't get a potential statement from the

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National Association in Black Journalists and it doesn't become a thing.
This is called bad PR. And you got to know
how to avert a crisis with prfolk, you don't actually
make it work. So I wonder on seeing is PR
staff y'all got any black.

Speaker 6 (01:08:13):
People who are in the room.

Speaker 9 (01:08:15):
Something tells me that staff don't have any black people.
That might be y'all bigger problem.

Speaker 17 (01:08:23):
Well, Rowan, I also love that they gave you the
standard patio on the head reaction, Oh I'm sorry, a
little black person, you missed the deadline. If you had
only read better than you wouldn't have done so, And
not that they completely missed the context of it, because
as you said, they didn't have anybody in the room
who could understand that you could not be in Atlanta,
and I have black journalists from Atlanta in that room.

(01:08:44):
I applied for credential and got denied because I'm on
radio here here at Atlanta, and I was going to
cover the debate instead of wanting to go to some
of the after events. So I might do a fly
to DC and hang out with you, Rowland. But it's
one of those issues where the same progressive me that
loves to call Trump racists and love to talk about
what Republicans are doing often do the exact same thing,

(01:09:06):
they do it from a different perspective. They think that
their white liberalness covers them from from also doing things
that are by their very nature racists. They have to
understand that if you want to truly speak to the
needs of black communities, you have to have black people
in the room to tell you what those needs are
and through their own haughtiness to their own condescend in nature.

(01:09:27):
This is why we see the ratings what they are
from many of these major news networks, particularly SEE and N,
because they do not know how to talk to their
groups that they want to support them.

Speaker 9 (01:09:36):
This is the thing for and this was something that
and I told the Biden Hairs people this when they
made the decision not to participate in the Presidential Commission debates.
I said, you can't leave everything up to these individual networks.

(01:09:57):
That should not happen in Rebecca, that's what you're dealing
with here. So you have a network that's deciding who
gets to come and who doesn't get to come. And
to me again, if you are the reason the Presidential
Commission was set up, so you have sort of this
other entity that's doing that, and you have this sort

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of this process.

Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
That's the thing right there.

Speaker 9 (01:10:21):
And I said to them, I mean I literally sent
text message email saying, Yo, don't let them screw us
over the feed.

Speaker 6 (01:10:31):
I said, the feed to this.

Speaker 9 (01:10:32):
Debate, we shouldn't have to pay for it. It should
be open everybody. And then I saw this story where
CNN said something like, well, you know this debate, debate
is costing us.

Speaker 6 (01:10:44):
You asked for it, and let's.

Speaker 9 (01:10:48):
Be real cool. Okay, let's be real clear. The debate
is happening in your studios. You're not having to go
out and rent a facility to actually host this debate.
I mean, come on, let's say I mean, now, now
the media overflow out however that that works whatever. But
was like, y'all, come on, let's can we like get
real here in terms of really what's going on here.

(01:11:08):
And so that to me is what the campaigns have
to understand is if you start putting these things in
the hands of the outlets and they get to control
the flow, it's going to be a problem. And look
that conservative outlets that are complaining that they didn't get credentialed.

Speaker 15 (01:11:28):
Yeah, you know, CNN is really showing some competence with
their coverage and what they're going to do with the
presidential debate tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
But here's the other thing. CNN is headquartered in Atlanta.

Speaker 15 (01:11:38):
How do they not have existing relationships with black media
in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
That's why I'm asking myself, Well.

Speaker 9 (01:11:44):
No, no, no, no. First of all, I'll tell you why,
because let's be real. First of all, let me be
real quick. When Jeff Zucker was controlling CNN, he gout
it seeing in in Atlanta, and seeing in Atlanta they could,
they moved, moved all the shows to New York. They
completely gut it. They had minimum folks there. They're no
longer in the CNN Center connected to the Omni Hotel.

(01:12:08):
They're now in tech Wood. So the footprint of CNN
has dramatically decreased. So the relationship that CNN used to
have with Atlanta, that is not the relationship that they
have today. You're not talking. CNN used to be headquartered
in Atlanta. Jim Walton was the president of He was
the worldwide CEO of CNN. His office was in Atlanta.

(01:12:30):
The leader of CNN is in Hudson Yards in New York.
And that's part of the problem, right.

Speaker 15 (01:12:39):
So if that's the case, the why didn't they just
do this in New York? You know, I'm assuming that
the people they have in the New York office would
be a lot more competent in the intentional outreach that
they should be doing ahead of this presidential debate tomorrow night.
But this is also going back to the reason why
we need to have the structured debate where everyone knows

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what the process is, how to get involved, to cover
the debate, who gets to be in attendance for the debate.
That was the whole point of the Presidential Debate Commission.
So it sounds like we really should be going back
to that system instead of allowing third party groups who
have different points of view or even have a different
set of interest other than just providing the debate to

(01:13:22):
the American people. This simply doesn't make sense and there
has to be a better way, and we've seen a
better way previous presidential cycles, Julana.

Speaker 8 (01:13:33):
So some things come to my mind. One they don't
really care about us is the person. The second thing
that comes to my mind.

Speaker 18 (01:13:42):
Roland, is seeing in cultural and competency. It's shown in
what they did I'm not convinced that they really do
want progressive ideas because just like the Democratic Party, they
need black people but have no clue about how to
get us.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
But it also.

Speaker 18 (01:14:00):
Tells me that CNN doesn't care about black people hearing
about the presidential of debates because I'm not convinced they
want us to turn.

Speaker 8 (01:14:08):
Out to vote.

Speaker 18 (01:14:09):
And I think that they absolutely appreciate how important black
media is to black people and black voter.

Speaker 8 (01:14:15):
Turnout, so I think that they're very polite.

Speaker 18 (01:14:18):
Basically, the black people don't know how to get a
credential and that's why they hear is the trophism that
white folks always do to us, and at least with Republicans,
I know they coming from me. The problem with Democrats
and progressives is they appear to be our friends and
they think there are friends, but they treat us just

(01:14:38):
as bad and sometimes worse than the Republicans because.

Speaker 8 (01:14:42):
As you hugging me, telling me you support me, you
stab at me in the back.

Speaker 9 (01:14:48):
But this is not a hard fix, y'all. It's really
not a hard fix. It's not again, this is what
if you're the R folks, you don't want to have
a pr problem. You shouldn't You shouldn't have allowed this
story to get to the point where it is right now.

(01:15:11):
And and I'll say this here, if they don't come
up with a fix tonight, guess what it's gonna escalate tomorrow.

Speaker 18 (01:15:19):
We need to boycott Black folks need to boycott Seeing In.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
I don't know if they pop.

Speaker 9 (01:15:26):
Well, actually, if you look at their ratings, I think
that's already happened. Uh do it? You see? I mean, look,
they don't have one show to get some million viewers.
They far they lag far behind Fox in MSNBC. But again,
this is not hard. And this is what I will
say to Seeing Inn. This is real simple.

Speaker 6 (01:15:44):
Who do y'all have.

Speaker 19 (01:15:45):
In the room.

Speaker 9 (01:15:47):
I'm telling y'all. I'm telling y'all right now. I was
at CNN for six years. If this should have happened
when I was at CNN, let me tell you exactly
how this would have went. The moment I heard this here,
I would immediately emailed Jim Walton. I would have immediately
emailed John Klein was presidency, and in the US, I
would have immediately interviewed Barbara Levigne who was in PR.

(01:16:10):
I would have immediately emailed the other PR people, and
I would have said, hey, y'all, this thing is going
to intensify. You might want to fix this. You might
want to fix this. I'm just saying, okay, And you
would have. And so you would have because again, when
you have cultural competency, you can see the thing unfolding

(01:16:33):
before it unfolds, and so therefore you avert the problem.
In fact, I did that all the time. There were
a lot of times when when certain stories would happen,
I would see it. I'm like, yeah, we need to
be doing this right here before this thing goes here,
and so that needs to happen as well.

Speaker 6 (01:16:47):
So I would also hope the black folks who are.

Speaker 9 (01:16:50):
At CNN, the people who are on air and the
commentators and the host and the anchors, and of course,
but I would hope they're weighing in as well, because otherwise,
why are you there stand up for black on media,
not just for mainstream folks as well. So so we'll see,
all right, y'all going to break, we come back. Let's
talk about Reggie Jackson. Uh, in the comments that he

(01:17:11):
made last week, people are still talking about, Uh, you're
watching rolling bart on the filter on the black sutt network.

Speaker 21 (01:17:19):
MHM, I need you to scream for you new beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Free two.

Speaker 14 (01:17:39):
Shot for shot, shout, shout not.

Speaker 9 (01:18:05):
Shout not.

Speaker 14 (01:18:07):
I want you to write, tell them welcome, Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:18:33):
Me, Sherry Shevritt and Sammy Roman.

Speaker 23 (01:18:35):
I'm doctor Robin Bee, pharmacist and fitness coach, and you're
watching Roland Martin Unfiltered.

Speaker 9 (01:18:54):
Folks Hall of Famer Emmitt Smith says the reach of
the comments from Reggie Jackson further emphasize the need for diversity,
equity and inclusion programs in the country. Last week of
the Hall of Famer in Baseball, Reggie Jackson recounted his
experience dealing with racism when he was in Birmingham for
the MLB game around June teenth, which took place at

(01:19:17):
Rickwood Field in Birmingham, the country's oldest professional baseball park
in the United States and the former home of the
Birmingham Black Barons of the Negro Leagues. Smith released this
statement on Tuesday. He said, as I'm reflecting on Reggie
Jackson's raw comments from last week, it reinforces why DEI
programs and initiatives must exist. His truth is a reminder

(01:19:39):
of the pain and suffering endured by many of our
black ancestors, including significant sports figures. Few legends, he says,
few legends like him are alive to share their stories
and shed light on the racist history of this This
is why DEI is so vital for the progress of

(01:19:59):
this nation. People with power, money, and influence must acknowledge
these horrifying times when America talked failed to black people
and black and brown people to dismantled the systematic racial
systems that still exists today. These stories must be heard
so we don't continue to make the same mistakes over

(01:20:20):
and over and over again. Now, in case you missed
with Reggie Jackson said we're gonna play a couple of
bites because there's a new a bite that you may
not have seen. And so this right here, this right here,
So actually go to my iPad. So this is the
statement that Reggie Jackson may on the Major League Broadcast
conversation Reggie, the baton has been passed for over a century.

Speaker 19 (01:20:46):
Year.

Speaker 9 (01:20:46):
We've been talking earlier about if it wasn't for the
Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson, the Reggie Jackson's, the three of
us wouldn't have an opportunity to play.

Speaker 6 (01:20:55):
How emotional is.

Speaker 9 (01:20:57):
It for you to come back to a play that
you played.

Speaker 6 (01:20:59):
With one of the greatest teams around.

Speaker 26 (01:21:03):
Alex Alex. When people asked me a question like that,
It's like, coming back here is not easy. The racism
that I played here when I played here, the difficulty
of going through different places where we traveled. Fortunately I

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had a manager and I had players on the team
that helped me get through it. But I wouldn't wish
it on anybody. People said to me today. I spoke
and they said, you think you're a better person. You
think you won when you played here and conquered. I said,
you know, I would never wanted to do it, want
to do it again. I walked into restaurants and they

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would point at me and said, I can't eat here.
I would go to a hotel and they say, then
I can't stay here. We went to Charlie Finley's country
Club for a welcome home dinner and they pointed me
out with the nd word, he can't come in here.
Finley marched the whole team out. Finally they let me

(01:22:08):
in there. He said, we're going to go to the
diner and eat Hamburger's.

Speaker 9 (01:22:11):
Well, go where we're wanted.

Speaker 26 (01:22:13):
Fortunately, I had a manager Johnny McNamara, that if I
couldn't eat, if I couldn't thank you, if I couldn't
eat in the place nobody would eat, we'd get food
to travel. If I couldn't stay in a hotel, they'd
drive to the next hotel and find a place where
I could stay. Had it not been for roleygh Fingers,

(01:22:34):
Johnny McNamara, Dave Duncan, Joe and Sharon Rudy, I slept
on their couch three four nights a week for about
a two month and a half. Finally they were threatened
that they would burn our apartment complex down unless I
got out. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. The year

(01:22:54):
I came here, Bo Connor was the sheriff the year before,
and they took bas Binal Baseball out of here because
in nineteen sixty three, the Klan murdered four black girls
children in eleven, twelve, fourteen years old at a church
here and never got indicted. It was there from the Klan.

(01:23:16):
Life magazine did a story on them, like you were
being honored. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. At the
same time, had it not been for my white friends,
had it not been for a white manager and Rudy
Fingers and Duncan and Lee Myers. I would have never
made it. I was too physically violent. I was ready

(01:23:40):
to physically fight some I'd have got killed here because
I'd have beat someone's ass and they You just saw
me in an oak tree somewhere.

Speaker 9 (01:23:47):
Reggie, Well, I can't even imagine. It's awful you had
to go through that, but you know it. Appreciate you
sharing the rawness and the honesty of it with our audience.
I mean, really, it's we love you rich. Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 26 (01:24:00):
History lesson right, that's a great history lesson Reggie Jackson
telling us all about it, preaching wow.

Speaker 5 (01:24:06):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:24:08):
Reggie Jackson also participated in a Q and A with
my good friend Roy Johnson, who is a commerce with
a L dot com, and he said this about legendary
football coach Alabama Great. He also coached at Texas, A
and M. He did Kentucky too. I can't remember that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:32):
Bear Bryant, listen to this.

Speaker 26 (01:24:36):
The most impactful memory I ever had at rick Wood Field.
It's tough to hear if you're from Alabama. At the
same time, it came from a friend. He never apologized
for it, but he was friend. I'd hit two triples

(01:24:59):
in the game, and I could run like a deer.
After the game, the few people were around. Charlie Finleack
had come to that game. His son Paul Bryant was there.
Paul Bryant was there. Alf van Housse was a sportswriter

(01:25:22):
here in this town, and bar Bryant and I was
getting changed, getting finished in a shower and put my
shirt on, and bar Bryant walked up to me and
paid me a compliment. Nineteen sixty seven, and he said

(01:25:46):
to the group, this is just the kind of younger
boy that we need in order to compete with bow
Woody Arra and Johnny Johnny Robinson of usc Ora, Parsigian
of Notre Dame, Bo Schembeckler of Michigan, Joe Paterno of

(01:26:16):
Penn State. He meant it as a compliment. He said,
if we don't get one of these, we're not going
to be able to compete with them. And about a
few months later, usc came here with Sam Cunningham and

(01:26:38):
beat Alabama.

Speaker 6 (01:26:39):
Forty two to ten.

Speaker 26 (01:26:44):
I got called up to the major leagues, and Bear
Bryant came up to Charlie Finley's to Chicago in one
of my first games and watched me play my first game.
Twenty one years later, when I retired, I played my

(01:27:04):
last game in Chicago there and Bear Bryant came to
see me pay my last game, and so that friendship
lasted until he passed. But that was the most impactful
thing that happened to me in Rick Woodenfield.

Speaker 9 (01:27:32):
Now, a lot of us remember the story of Bear
Brian talking about trying to convince those folks down Labama
and he should have recruit black players and how when
they played USC they got their ass has whooked. But
Rebecca's a lot different to hear Reggie Jackson talk about
how this man put his hand on his shoulders and said, man,

(01:27:52):
we need a nigga like this.

Speaker 15 (01:27:57):
First of all, the fact that people believe that Bear
Bryan was this great white hope who was trying to
reconcile black and white relations in Alabama is so laughaposed
to be, especially when you think about the history there
and why there's many black folks who are supporting Auborn
even to this day, support the war egos because of

(01:28:17):
Alabama's stance on racial integration of their football team. I'm
still not convinced that Bear Bryan is this great person
because of that nineteen seventy game, and he just wanted
to prove to the higher ups, hey, we need black
people too.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
So we won't get our butts kicked. I'm not buying it.

Speaker 15 (01:28:35):
It's still Alabama, and this is still America, and so
I am very grateful that Reggie Jackson is sharing his
truth because what's unfortunate is that Major League Baseball now
doesn't have a lot of Black American players because Major
League Baseball decided, Okay, we could go someplace quote unquote
cheaper and invest money in it to create a pipeline

(01:28:58):
of players, i e. Going into the Caribbean, to the
Dominican Republican, I'm some of the other islands to recruit players.
But hearing Reggie Jackson in his own words, especially in
the hills of Willie May's passing, it's a reminder to
us all just because Jackie Robinson or just that one

(01:29:19):
person quote unquote broke the color barrier doesn't mean that
there isn't decades and decades of racial trauma for those
who are still involved in the sport. But quite frankly,
we can even take this out of sport. Just because
we have civil rights laws and the books, those who
are the first black person to do this or the
first black person to do that, it doesn't mean that

(01:29:39):
the rest of us Black Americans aren't hearing the trauma
and the scars of racial hostility and violence towards us.

Speaker 9 (01:29:46):
And you know, Jlana's a whole bunch of those folks
people talking about they're still living.

Speaker 18 (01:29:50):
So I'm gonna say this, this is personal to me.
The first thing I'm going to say is if you've
been calling niggat, raise your hand. First thing I'm gonna say.
The second thing I'm going to say is you don't
have to have lived back then. I had the privilege to.

Speaker 8 (01:30:08):
Speak with Bill Russell in Boston one year at a
Hall of Fame event.

Speaker 18 (01:30:13):
Bill Russell told the exact same stories that Reggie Jackson
told me. It was consistent and it didn't stop with him.
I went to Elsik High School. I graduated in nineteen
eighty four. If you go pull the nineteen eighty one
Elsek High School you are going to find a picture
of me dressed as an African cannibal with a bone

(01:30:35):
in my hair, in a grasshirt, in the bikini top
because I was sold at a slave sale for the
freshman Senior prom fundraiser and bought by my teammates and
called a nigger by my teammates.

Speaker 8 (01:30:51):
This happens all of the time. When I was at
the University.

Speaker 18 (01:30:55):
Of Houston, we had conference at Fayetteville, Arkansas, University of
during the Southwest Conference, they literally wouldn't put gas in
our bus.

Speaker 8 (01:31:04):
We traveled by bus because there were black people. So
I'm not surprised by what Reggie Jackson says.

Speaker 18 (01:31:12):
All we have to do is go look pull the
nineteen eighty one Elsick yearbook.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
This happens all the time.

Speaker 18 (01:31:19):
And I think the thing that concerns me the most,
it hurts me the most is people think, as one
black person was president, because Oprah's a Meeka mogul, because
Tier one or Venus and Serena one, that racism does
not still exist. It absolutely does. And we need to
listen to these stories and we need to share these stories.
And just because you made it doesn't mean that racism

(01:31:43):
is not affecting other people.

Speaker 17 (01:31:45):
Robert and I think that this goes a lot deeper
than simple as sports. As Rebecca was making the point
that right now you have someone like Charlie Kirk who
is openly saying that part of Project twenty twenty five
will be repealing the civil rights set to nineteen sixty four.
They are now trying to put dirt on the legacy

(01:32:05):
of doctor King. We saw Tucker Carlton in an interview
with some black preacher trying to dissuade people from believing
and supporting the work of doctor King. These people made
it very clear that their goal in this next election
is to do a wholesale reversal of American society. The
first Trump term was about making America great again, quote unquote.
The second Trump term is about returning to that great America.

(01:32:28):
And they think they're creating one that existed prior to
black people having the rights to integration, pride, to black
people having a protect to write, to vote, prior to
black people having social mobility and the economic opportunity to
outdo many people in the white communities. This is why
they're fighting so hard against diversity equity inclusions.

Speaker 16 (01:32:45):
And it's meant.

Speaker 17 (01:32:46):
Pointed out this is why they're fighting so hard against
quote unquote CRT because if you can create a version
of American history that Byron donald believes and propagate that
throughout the country. Then incon convinced people of almost anything.
We have to understand the substential threat to our community
that is not coming, that it's here, and that we
have there's our generations of duty to make sure we're

(01:33:08):
not pushed back from all the progress we've made and
keep the ball moving forward to where we want to
go in the future.

Speaker 9 (01:33:13):
Well, speaking of progress, there was this uh cigar lounge
barbershop conversation in Atlanta with a with a group of
black Republicans. Robert you mentioned congresson buying Donald's and so
in this video it's Byron Donalds and Congress and Wesley
Hunt and Ben Carson. They're sitting there, uh, talking to

(01:33:36):
some brothers. Your your buddy, Shelley Winters and as well.
So let me just play it. So while they're Donald's
decided to call Trump, uh just you know, listen, So
watch this.

Speaker 27 (01:33:52):
But since this has happened, like the muck shot, the
muck shot is the best of it.

Speaker 6 (01:33:58):
Just beat Elvis Preston and Frank Sinatia by a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
By the way, PA, buy a lot.

Speaker 27 (01:34:03):
But that's the number one buck shot of all time.
It's it's really an amazing thing. Since it happened, the
support among the Black community and the Hispanic community has skyrocket.

Speaker 5 (01:34:17):
It's been amazing, really been amazing.

Speaker 27 (01:34:19):
It's it's been actually very nice to see just the president.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
You know, it's in one way.

Speaker 6 (01:34:25):
In one way you said, gusn't that too bad?

Speaker 27 (01:34:27):
But the truth is, it's really a lovely thing when
I see that we have great support now in the
black community and in.

Speaker 9 (01:34:35):
All right, so on the far in there, yea was Ruper.
Ruper's Montgomery Ruffle used to be the chair of Florida
and the board directors for trustees. Uh, you got you
had all of them there. Now here's what was what
was really funny. Let me let me find his tweet.
So so Shelley Winners, Uh so me he's so he's

(01:34:55):
a radio show in WSB, y'all, that's conservative station. So
he posted this week a few minutes ago. Tune into
the Shelley go to MyPad, Tune into the Shelley Winner
Shop right now in WSB radio, and hear the full
Trump called in to eventuate here for yourself, the question
and his answers. Don't listen to CNN Roland Martin or
anyone else who's lying to you straight up. I was there. Well,

(01:35:18):
I'm sorry, Shelley, What did I lie about? I didn't
make a judgment on y'all conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:35:29):
But if you want to talk about lyon.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
The man y'all call lines all the time.

Speaker 6 (01:35:36):
How often do you correct him?

Speaker 9 (01:35:39):
That man sat there and said that, oh, my black
support had skyrocketed because of a mug shot, Shelley. What
he's saying is, ooh, y'all some criminals. Y'all love criminals.
Oh so now because I got a mug shot, they
literally are campaigning saying, oh that black folk used to RICO.

(01:36:01):
We know about being indicted. I ain't never been indicted.
I ain't never been charged.

Speaker 6 (01:36:07):
His ass got four cases.

Speaker 9 (01:36:11):
And so I'm sitting here listen to this, and so
this is all I want to know. Robert. I know
Shelley's your boy, But Robert, do you ever hear Shelley
rufus Wesley hunt Byron Donald's being Carson. I don't know
who that uh that that that that John deer truck

(01:36:34):
or dude was sitting right there. You never hear them
correct being Carson. You never hear them saying, uh, sorry, Donald,
you lying about that. Actually that's not true. No, that's
actually that's not true. That man will lie like he
did that Black Church, and they'll just sit there and.

Speaker 6 (01:36:52):
Go, oh, that's just so sweet. He just here, we
love us a dog.

Speaker 17 (01:36:58):
Well, the ones that I can vouch for, Shelley and
the one he said, the trucker outfit, that's what our
friend Mark Boyd. He does great work with survival teaching classes,
et cetera, for people who are interested in building their
own camp steads and homesteads, those sorts of things. Also,
I think Bruce was there somewhere off camera and look
Shelley was smart and getting you to talk about his

(01:37:19):
tweet and give him free publicity for his show. But
I will say there are some conservatives, not Byrah, Donald,
not Hunt, not many of those others who will challenge
Trump on these issues. We see pastor Darryl Scott often
challenging Trump and challenging conservatives on some of these points.
I also think that what we have to start doing
right now is that now that the Trumpet campaign is

(01:37:41):
starting to invest and want to talk to start talking
to black voters, let's put some demands out there. I
don't want him just to hear him call into a
barber shop to talk about what he wants to talk about.
I need a very direct and clear Black agenda that
he can set aside from what Democrats are doing. We
know what divide the administration has done for black votes thus far,
and we know that they need to do more. We
also know they need to talk more about what they've done.

Speaker 16 (01:38:02):
But I would like to.

Speaker 17 (01:38:03):
Hear exactly what is the declarion call from the conservative
side of the aisle, Not about mugshots, not about al
capone or whatever else. He was talking about, what are
you going to do on reparation, which was a Republican
idea from the eighteen sixties and eighteen seventies. What are
you going to do about economic development? You talk about
small government. There's no way better way to shrink government
than the strength the prison population. Are the real and

(01:38:24):
the constrained police from being able to abuse African Americans.
And I think that if they're going to have this conversation,
make sure you're having a substantive discussion and not just
a pep rally where we're telling President Trump how great
he is. I think you have to ask those direct
and hard questions. Shelley says that they did. I will
listen to the tape later and then we can report
back on it. But I'm hoping that there's a substantive
discussion and not just simply a skinning and grinted competition

(01:38:48):
for the affections of President Trump.

Speaker 6 (01:38:49):
And see that's what it boils down to me.

Speaker 9 (01:38:51):
Listen, I got to text the I gotta text the
other night, Rebecca from somebody talking about that. Well, you know,
you know, you know, we can't have the disagreements between
us talking about the pastors, you know, the brother in Detroit.

Speaker 6 (01:39:06):
I said, who I said? Let me be real clear.

Speaker 9 (01:39:09):
I said, I ain't tripping on the pastor having a
conversation with Trump. What I'm tripping on is it?

Speaker 6 (01:39:22):
What? No conversation?

Speaker 9 (01:39:25):
I said?

Speaker 6 (01:39:25):
My problem is what no agenda?

Speaker 9 (01:39:29):
My problem is he allowed him to lie, repeatedly, allowed
him not to answer any questions.

Speaker 6 (01:39:37):
See, I love these people who like you know, you know,
we got to hear both sides. Let me help y'all out.

Speaker 9 (01:39:48):
How should I put this here? Okay, I got an
ear piece in my ear This ear piece represents the
Democratic Party. I ain't got an ear piece in my
ear over here. This is the Republican Party. Now I

(01:40:08):
could hear somebody talking to me here, and I could
be off camera and talk into this microphone and talk
to the control room. So let's say Democrats are talking.
I could talk back. I can hear what they say.
I can respond to them. Over here. Ain't no earpiece.

(01:40:32):
This is the Republican Party. So because I don't hear nothing,
I don't respond to nothing. And because nothing is coming
in this ear, ain't got nothing to say. That's the
damn Republican Party, Rebecca. And the reality is when the
Republican Party comes to black people, this is what Donald

(01:40:55):
Trump does. Crime, crime, So what is he saying? Crime?
A group of black Republicans in Illinois got it called
this meeting, and they had charts and all kinds of
stuff to the Illinois Republican Party talking about how they
could appeal the black voters. And when they were done, Rebecca,
this is what the white Republicans said to the black Republicans. Now,

(01:41:19):
we're not gonna support welfare, and the black and the
Black Republicans are like, who the hell brought up welfare?
And so for all these people who say we should
be listening to both sides, and we should have folk
compete for our vote. We should Okay, where's your agenda?

(01:41:47):
And once you present your agenda, are you gonna listen
for our response to your agenda? And then how you're
gonna respond when we hit you back? And what we
want don't jive with what you said to us.

Speaker 15 (01:42:09):
You know, if people like Byron Donalds wanted to have
an actual conversation on policies that are befitting and are
in the best interests of black folks, we can have
that conversation out of the context of Republican versus Democrat.
We can have that conversation talking about black progressivism. We
can have that conversation talking about black conservativism.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
And what that actually looks like.

Speaker 15 (01:42:30):
However, Byron Donalds show up under the Republican Party flag
and that's the brand that he's chating.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
That that's where some of the issue is going to.

Speaker 15 (01:42:38):
Come in because right now, the number one person carrying
the banner of the Republican Party is Donald Trump. So
to have the standard bearer call and say, hey, I
relate to black people because I have the mugshot, I'm
now convicted felon, I am just like y'all, no, you're
not like us and the real So my issue even

(01:43:00):
with this, what people like Byron Donald says, hey, if
this is going to be transactional, get your money up front,
because Donald Trump doesn't pay his bills. If all these
people are saying, hey, we're going to shuck and jive
and do this, we want to make money, fine, I
support black people making money.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
But let's be clear what this is and what it isn't.

Speaker 15 (01:43:18):
This isn't actually a substance of conversation of what it
takes to move black families and black communities forward.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
In this country.

Speaker 15 (01:43:25):
Because unless you're actually going to go back, talk reparations,
talk about the things that are old to us, we
cannot move forward.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
And so the other weird thing.

Speaker 15 (01:43:33):
About this is like when I was looking closely at
that picture because I was like the video you showed Roland,
because I was trying to figure out if I could
say one positive thing about the picture. Besides it's very awkward.
It's like seven black men all squished together. I'm in
a barbershop. As many barbershops as I've been into with
my dad, I never see that kind of looks so
awkward and so I was trying to think of something

(01:43:54):
positive to say, So I will say one thing positive.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
At least at least one of the had to shape up,
and that happened to be by her Donalds.

Speaker 15 (01:44:03):
Because the rest of them either bad or they need.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
A shape up like it's it's crazy.

Speaker 9 (01:44:08):
And let me go ahead and say, but say this
if I go to Jelanda, and I just and and
I ain't saying this because they black Republicans. I've actually
said this about democrats too. Can we stop having fucking
conversations and barber shops with black men?

Speaker 6 (01:44:30):
That is not the only damn place we go to.
This shit get on my nerves every time I hear
folks talk about let's talk.

Speaker 9 (01:44:39):
First of all, let me help y'all out. I don't
go to a barber shop. My barber comes to me.
He cut my damn He cut my damn hair in
the kitchen here, okay, all right, so it's some black
men out here where we actually make appointments.

Speaker 6 (01:44:56):
We no longer sit out at Listen.

Speaker 9 (01:44:58):
I remember growing up and my dad taking us Will
Harvey cut our hair, and shit, we be there for
five six, seven damn hours. We ain't got all that
damn time. But I'm sick and tired of every time
these these strategists, Republican and Democrat. Oh, let's talk to
black men, Let's go to the barber shot, let's talk

(01:45:19):
to black women, Let's go to the beauty shot.

Speaker 6 (01:45:21):
Damn it, go somewhere else.

Speaker 9 (01:45:24):
You long to go ahead.

Speaker 18 (01:45:26):
So, first of all, they caricature us. That's just what
they do. So it's frustrating to me because why aren't
we on the golf course people play, come, or why
are we in the suites at sporting events, or why
aren't we in the boardroom Because they don't presume that
we're there. And as long as we sit down and
we allow these conversations, then that's something. I'll also say

(01:45:48):
this ruland you. Every time they got something to say,
they got some negative to say about you because they're
trying to beat you down because they know we listen
to you and you understand us. So your name are
on their lips is because you're relevant. The next thing
Wesley Hunter got un to stay.

Speaker 8 (01:46:04):
He's here in Houston.

Speaker 18 (01:46:06):
He's currently being investigated for spending over seventy thousand big
campaign funds to join.

Speaker 8 (01:46:10):
An exclusive white country club. So he ain't.

Speaker 18 (01:46:14):
Don't say anything about Donald Trump and COVIC because he
might end up being one.

Speaker 8 (01:46:19):
The next thing that I'll say is the black.

Speaker 18 (01:46:23):
People that Republicans seem to embrace always seem to have
an ante.

Speaker 8 (01:46:27):
Of Mama or an Uncle Tom sort of vibe to him.

Speaker 18 (01:46:31):
Which last time I heard, I'm not walking around with
a scarf town on top of my head, chewing tobacco
or whatever.

Speaker 8 (01:46:38):
So I think that we need to call them what they.

Speaker 18 (01:46:41):
Are, and we need to stop having the conversations that
they want to have, because in order to have substantive
conversations about us, you actually have to have a brain.
And quite frankly, I believe that Republicans are so terrified
of being identified by Trump and get primary that all
they're gonna do is sign off on what he says.

Speaker 8 (01:47:04):
And that's not a way to have government that represents everybody.

Speaker 9 (01:47:08):
All I'm saying is this is my problem. If y'all
want to have a black conversation, come talk to black people,
Come on and listen. I ain't a let me everybody know.

Speaker 6 (01:47:27):
I had been.

Speaker 9 (01:47:27):
Cartion on my show when he ran president on TV one,
I had Senator Tim Scott. I've had Byron Donald's on here, Carol,
do this here. Call Wesley Hunt's office and invite his ass.
Call call him every day, call Donald's office. It's like,
if y'all want to have a conversation, let's have a
conversation about a black agenda, cause y'all ain't got Trump

(01:47:50):
ain't got one. He ain't got one. And we know that,
we know he ain't got a black agenda, and we
know what Product twenty twenty five is.

Speaker 6 (01:48:00):
We know this.

Speaker 9 (01:48:03):
So I would love to hear and maybe Robert you
can find out, Shelley Winners, is your ass one of them?

Speaker 6 (01:48:10):
As matter of fact, Shelley.

Speaker 9 (01:48:11):
Don't just come on my show with Robert co hosting
when he gets hosting.

Speaker 6 (01:48:16):
Bring your ass when I'm here.

Speaker 9 (01:48:21):
Come on, Shelley, bring y'all ass on this show when
I'm here. I wait, because see, here's what I would
love to know. I would love to know, out of
all the black men sitting in that damn barber shop,
how many of y'all challenged Trump when he said he
is going to give immunity to all cops if he

(01:48:43):
comes in so they can so they can do their job.
Oh oh, I want to know how many of y'all
asked him that I want to know how many of y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:48:59):
Has said the true car up?

Speaker 9 (01:49:00):
Are you going to aggressively investigate police officers and wrongdoing
like the Biden Harris administration is done, because that was
one Patterson practice investigation under Trump for four years, it's
been almost twelve on the Biden Harris. I wait, let
me see what y'all got. We'll see. I'll be right back.

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Speaker 9 (01:52:27):
All right, So y'all, have y'all seen that video of
the judge in Georgia her name is Christian Christian Komer.

Speaker 6 (01:52:38):
How she hit a cop?

Speaker 9 (01:52:40):
They had a run in at a club or a
bar or something like that. Uh, well, she has now
been booted from the bench. But it wasn't because of
the that. It was because of an ethics investigation. After
four separate hearings on thirty ethics chargers, the Georgia Supreme
Court ruled that Dusn't County Probate Judge Christina Peterson should

(01:53:03):
be removed from the bench and not eligible to be
elected or appointed to any judicial office in Georgia for
the next seventy years. A thirty eight year old judges
accused of assaulting a police officer outside in Atlanta nightclub.
Court documents note that Peterson violated the Code of Judicial
Conduct and serial violations of the Judicial Qualifications Commission. They

(01:53:24):
said showed a pattern of judicial misconduct while in office.
This this video Robert Show, don't help her her situation.

Speaker 16 (01:53:35):
Well, why is everything happened in Georgia?

Speaker 9 (01:53:38):
Nothing happened to Hey, y'all, y' y'all the New Florida.

Speaker 17 (01:53:42):
Okay, two things one technic Shelley. Shelley says, I'm gain
whenever you want love it for a debate. So Shelley
has agreed to come on the show to debate you
about me being involved to where so Carol has his info.
I'll shoot it over to her after the show. So
y'all come set up. I want to be a fly
on the wall for the whole thing. But well, Judge Peterson,

(01:54:04):
I know the young lady. She's What I believe happened
is the State Judicial Qualification Board had already determined that
she needed to be removed from office. She appealed it
to the State Supreme Court. The State Supreme Court released
their determinations yesterday, removing her from the bench. I believe
she knew those things are coming down, and often, as

(01:54:24):
people do when their lives begin spiraling, they begin making.

Speaker 16 (01:54:28):
Even worse decisions.

Speaker 17 (01:54:29):
She went to this nightclub, she had a few too many,
apparently to drink, decided to instead of leaving orderly to
of course, resist arrest, which resulted in things getting worse
in the video that we see here. I'm hoping that
she gets the help that she needs to deal with
these issues. And I don't think anyone should celebrate or
stump on the grave with somebody when they appear to

(01:54:50):
be going through a very difficult period of time in
their life. I think all of us can imagine ourselves
in a not this situation in particular, but on our
worst there when we're in a high in state, something
happening and we wouldn't want to broadcast through the whole world.
But that's what happens when you're in public life, when
you're in public office. And all of that said, I'm
hoping for the person to get better, as opposed to

(01:55:12):
some of the people who are celebrating the downfall of
a public official. But from the beginning of her term,
she's had turmoil and it appears that that has come
to a halt, and we're just hoping she can do
better in the future.

Speaker 9 (01:55:24):
You know, Rebecca was I was. I saw this video
Big Tickets page, Yeah, and she was on there and
she was talking about what happened rowod Actually they pulled
up y'all because so she was describing what happened at
this outside of this club, and you know, and I'm like,

(01:55:44):
I hear you, but you still got to be a
little different. Okay, pull it up.

Speaker 23 (01:55:49):
You're missing what happened before that, You're missing the attack
on the woman that's what you're missing.

Speaker 28 (01:55:56):
So what I saw in the video, the woman is screaming, hey,
he me, and you're saying.

Speaker 9 (01:56:01):
Let her go right in the video?

Speaker 6 (01:56:03):
Correct.

Speaker 23 (01:56:03):
And the guy that I was talking to was not
an officer. I was talking to the guy that was
holding her. Whoever that was. I don't know if he
was security or whatever. He didn't have authority to be
putting his hands on her. She has already been attacked.
I don't know if he's part of this attack. I
just know I have a right to defend third parties.
I know she was a victim, and I know you
needed to get your hands off of her.

Speaker 6 (01:56:25):
Did you know her?

Speaker 8 (01:56:26):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
You didn't know her at all.

Speaker 23 (01:56:28):
I didn't know her. I just saw her getting attacked.
And I mean how that man was punching her. It
was like he was in a boxing ring. Were you
the only one standing up for her?

Speaker 15 (01:56:36):
Yes?

Speaker 23 (01:56:37):
And I didn't. I mean I just didn't listen. I
was minded my business. And I just let's be clear.
I never go. I just don't go to that place.
I have a friend who it was his birthday. I
really I love this friend. He's a very kind guy.
And I said okay, I'm gonna go. And it was
a night that was fine, and then we were just
waiting in line to get some hot dogs some stuff

(01:56:59):
we don't need it to in the morning or whatever.
So I just know that I just was sitting there
and then all of a sudden, you know, you know,
I'm shifting on my feet because my feet hurt, and
then I just saw these they just come past me
and just the man just started hitting it like and
I'm like, I just shook shocked at this point, like
I'm like triggered, like what in the world, Like I

(01:57:21):
don't know if it just really did something. So I
knew I didn't have any I might to stop him.
I can't punch him, I can't do anything, but I
could try to. He was pursuing her, so I tried
to pull his shirt and just get him off of her.

Speaker 28 (01:57:34):
So was he the Okay, So they said the allegations
are you put your hands on the officer, right, So
that's so that's what they're saying. But you're saying you
didn't see him in office.

Speaker 9 (01:57:45):
Okay, that's two different things.

Speaker 23 (01:57:48):
So basically you're talking about So there was an attack
and then there was when I was trying to get
her out of the man's grasp, gotcha, Okay at that
point that the man's grasp is when they're trying to
allege that I hit an officer.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
Okay.

Speaker 28 (01:57:59):
So when you were trying to tell them to let
her go, an officer actually grabbed you and told you
to get away from the situation.

Speaker 23 (01:58:07):
And that's when the officer said nothing to me. He said,
not hit me to the ground. He what he knocked me,
He knocked me out? He didn't, he didn't say anything.

Speaker 9 (01:58:14):
That's a whole lot going back and forth. Really, what
what what happened? Rebecca? My line is it was a
lot of drama before this happens, and so you got
to ask Robert. You got to deal with all that
other stuff and not just this.

Speaker 15 (01:58:34):
So Atlanta's not a real place, No disrespect to you.

Speaker 17 (01:58:39):
It's a show. We live in a reality show. I
just went through a campaign here. It's a reality show.
I'll give it up. That's where we live at.

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
I mean, it is what it is.

Speaker 15 (01:58:49):
I've never heard a two Am Glizzy story that led
to someone being arrested.

Speaker 2 (01:58:55):
You know, I want to lean into my better angels.

Speaker 15 (01:58:58):
Like Robert and say You're like, yes, a real human
here going through real human things.

Speaker 2 (01:59:02):
However, that interview is not helping.

Speaker 15 (01:59:05):
Please hire a crisis manager and you know, work through
this instead of going on radio and telling this story
because it seems wildly unbelievable. I don't know what happened here,
but if Judge Peterson is in personal crisis, I do
hope that she gets the help that she needs.

Speaker 6 (01:59:27):
Uh, Julianna, So here's a deal.

Speaker 18 (01:59:31):
I'm a black elect official, I'm a black woman. I
know the kind of caricatures they say of us. So
with everything that I do, I'm always thinking, can this
she get on the news?

Speaker 3 (01:59:42):
Like seriously?

Speaker 8 (01:59:44):
So I can't talk crazy even if I'm thinking it.
You know, if I'm in.

Speaker 18 (01:59:47):
A position where there's someone beating up a black woman
and I don't know the woman, the first thing I'm
gonna do is I'm gonna take out my phone and
I'm going to start recording, and I'm gonna say I'm
recording you, right, because trust and believe, if there's a
way to get rid of us in our elected capacity.

Speaker 8 (02:00:03):
They're going to do it. I agree as her lawyer.
If I were her lawyer, I'd be.

Speaker 18 (02:00:08):
Like you are not speaking, I will speak for you,
or we will have a crisis person speak for you,
because she could actually be sued. And what I'm surprised about,
with her being a lawyer and a judge, is that
she didn't think about these things. But as I told
my son a long time ago, people with jobs, people
with good jobs, they ain't outside in the middle of
the night stay at home because they got to get

(02:00:30):
up the next morning and go to work or church
if it's the weekend. So I say that, to say this,
it just seems like she said a number of bad decisions.
I'm going to pray for her. I want for her
to do better. But when we black people get into
these positions of trust and authority, we need to think
really closely about the decisions that we make, because, trust me,

(02:00:53):
we are going to be used as examples of why
we shouldn't elect black people because we do things like this.

Speaker 6 (02:01:01):
All right, folks.

Speaker 9 (02:01:03):
Louisville, Kentucky's new police chief, Jacqueline gwyn Villarreal, who was
suspended earlier this month over miss handling a sexual harassment
claim about an officer, has resigned. She is the third
full time Louisville police chief to reside will be fire.
Since twenty twenty, Lord, they can't keep nobody. The apartment's
leadership has had a revolving door since officer's family shop
Brena Taylor during a botched drug raid. Gwynn villarreal suspension

(02:01:27):
was for how she handled a sexual harassment complaint brought
by Major Shannon Lauder against a fellow police Major. Lauder
reported to gwyn Villarreal doing a May meeting of the
command staff, but later at that same meeting, gwyn Villareal
promoted the major to lieutenant colonel. Lauder says she spoke
up at the meeting after gwyen Villareal asked if there

(02:01:48):
were any concerns about working with other command staff members.
She was Louisville's first black female police chief. Well, gotta go,
gotta go, all right, y'all, that is it for us tomorrow, y'all.
Tomorrow we are gonna have the blackest presidential debate coverage anywhere.

(02:02:10):
First of all, if y'all want to watch that unseasoned
stuff going right ahead, y'all know it's not gonna have
any flavor whatsoever on other networks. But y'all know it's
gonna be real, it's gonna be to the point it's
just gonna be raw.

Speaker 6 (02:02:28):
You know what I do it?

Speaker 9 (02:02:29):
I should do. I should have I should have two
feeds going. You know how ESPN has the feed of
the Manning brothers watching the game. I should have a
feed running of a camera in here as we watched
the debate and react in real time. I don't know,
Maybe too much cussing going on, all.

Speaker 6 (02:02:49):
Right, y'all.

Speaker 9 (02:02:49):
Beginning an APM tomorrow, our pre debate coverage kicks off.
Debate's nine to ten forty, and then we alive after that. Man,
we got a fantastic lot of for people who are
gonna be here. I can wait for us to do
a little something something, So y'all, there's not gonna be
a show at six o'clock tomorrow, So we're live eight
pm Eastern right here on the Blackstar Network. Let me

(02:03:10):
thank Julyana, Let me think Robert, Let me think Rebecca
for being on today's panel. Thank you so very much. Yeah,
Robert tells Shelley, come on, let's go, Robert, you can
be the fly.

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On the wall.

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It's all good.

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All right?

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I am repping my Texas A and M Jersey. We

(02:04:32):
finished second in the College Role series. Then our coach
he left to go to our arrival. Yeah that was
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(02:04:57):
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