Trump's Sentencing Delay, Wis. School's $20M Lawsuit, Greenwood's New Plan, Civil Rights Act 60th

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Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's Tuesday, July second, twenty twenty four. I'm Greg Carr,
sitting in for Roland who is on his way to Ethiopia.
Here's what's coming up on World Martin and Filtered streaming
live on the Black Star Network. Convicted felon and imperial
President Donald Trump wasted no time trying to cash in

(00:51):
on the Supreme Court's ruling giving presidents some immunity. We'll
examine how the conservative leaning court its ruling could impact
his New York criminal sentencing. A Wisconsin school is facing
a multimillion dollar lawsuit for not protecting a black team
from being sexually abused by a white female teacher in

(01:12):
twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
We'll talk to him and his attorney.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
About why they have filed lawsuit so many years later.
The last two survivors of the nineteen twenty one Tulsa
race massacre want President Joe Biden to open an investigation
into the deadly attack after the Oklahoma Supreme Court decided
to dismiss the survivor's lawsuit seeking reparations. Today is the

(01:36):
sixtieth anniversary of the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four.
We'll discuss why there isn't much to celebrate, as many
of those rights are being taken away.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Right before our very eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
A Louisiana parish finally swears in its first ever black sheriff.
It's time to bring the funk on Roland Martin, unfiltered,
streaming live on the Black Star Network.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
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He's got, stood the fact, the fine and wait to place.
He's right on time, and it's rolling. Best believe he's
going putting it out.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
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Speaker 5 (02:21):
Just bookcakes.

Speaker 6 (02:21):
He's rollings, rowing up. It's rolling monte.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
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he's rolling monte.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well. Donald J.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Trump wasted no time after the Supreme Court rule that
presidents have some immunity from crimes to try to get
his New York conviction overturned. Trump's lawyers argue his New
York conviction should be overturned based on the Supreme Court's decision,

(03:20):
saying that the district attorney should not have been allowed
to introduce evidence about official acts that Trump took while
in office. Trump was convicted of thirty four counts of
falsification of business records. In May, legal analyst Monique Presley,
the host of Make It Make Sense with Monique Presley,
joins us to explain how the Supreme Court's decision could

(03:42):
impact Trump's conviction. Good to see you, Sys, Can you
please please help us make this make sense?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
What is going on? What's going on? Calselyn?

Speaker 7 (03:53):
Well, I mean, I think his lawyers are doing what
they're supposed to do. You know, the Supreme Court has
changed the law. They have abandoned hundreds of years of
president and decided that there is a whole new kind
of immunity for official acts that did not exist before

(04:17):
that applies only to presidents.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
And now his lawyers are saying.

Speaker 7 (04:22):
Okay, well, if he had this type of immunity, in
what way would that have affected the most recent criminal trial?
And they're trying to get the judge to look at
it and make a change.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
What's your sense given that, looks like John Roberts tried
to craft out some things, So help us, let michel
I get this straight. So, if he had any of
the conversations related to paying off Stormy Daniels or any
of that while he was in the White House with
his chief of staff or anybody. Are his lawyers arguing
that that evidence has to be excluded?

Speaker 2 (04:57):
How does that work? Ye?

Speaker 7 (05:00):
Well, not conversations, Yes, I guess it depends on what
you mean by conversation.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
So they would consider official acts.

Speaker 7 (05:10):
Right to be conversations that he had with people who
were working for him in the White House.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
They considered at the time of the trial.

Speaker 7 (05:20):
They tried to get the trial judge and then an
appellate judge to decide that his statements on social media
because he was president were official acts. So they're basically
trying to say anything that happened that was a part
of this criminal activity that happened after he became president
would be considered an official act. But I'll go ahead

(05:42):
and answer your question, doctor greg No, I mean for
the trial judge said no.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
The appellate judge said no.

Speaker 7 (05:50):
I would expect the judge Ma Sean would again say no, no,
and a no, no no, in that the actions regarding
this particular or set of activities criminal activities had to
do with actions that were taken before he got in
the White House in order to help him get into
the White House.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
And so the fact that he cut a check that
he paid a bill.

Speaker 7 (06:13):
Paying your phone bill after you become president is not
an official act because your phone you're the president. So
neither is paying off your lot lawyer for paying a bribe,
for paying for you know, I mean, all of your
little gangster like activities don't become official acts just because
you are the president.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
But I don't fault his lawyers for trying.

Speaker 7 (06:38):
And I think that it is necessary for the judge
to look and to make a determination about it, or
else it'll just be subject of the ongoing appeal.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
And in that vein, all these commentators are saying that
Supreme Court yesterday basically gave him full immunity by delay.
So what's your sense of the timeline for this? What
is the New York Court saying now in terms of
allowing him.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
To make this case?

Speaker 1 (07:04):
The DA's office then responding, and then you know, going
forward from here, what's your sense of the time that.

Speaker 7 (07:10):
Well, the judge released some things saying that he's going
to make a decision in early September, and so that's
going to give an opportunity for full briefing.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
That's going to give an opportunity.

Speaker 7 (07:21):
For cases to be weighed The other thing that I
want to add that I believe is important because some
people are asking, Okay, the Supreme Court just did this,
what does this have to do with prior actions, prior
things that he did at the time that the law
was different, or at least where we thought we knew
what the immunity's laws were like. If they did find

(07:44):
that there were some things that were considered an evidence
that wouldn't have been in evidence, but the Supreme Court,
where criminal cases are concerned, usually the determination is made
that those decisions are retroactive, especially where they are deciding
that you cannot be prosecuted at all for a particular activity.

(08:06):
And you can understand the sense of this, right if
they decided that you no longer can be prosecuted for murder,
even though you could have been back then, that's one thing.
If they decide you cannot be prosecuted for murder and
never should have been able to be prosecuted for murder,
that's another thing, And there would be no justification for
keeping people in jail. So unfortunately, back when the court

(08:30):
was making sense and doing things that made sense for
criminal defendants, it now may end up enduring in some
way shape or form to the benefit of this president. However,
I like the fact that he will be getting sentenced
in September.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
So then okay, so whatever the judge rules to say,
the judge rules that everything is clear and we're going
to go ahead with the sentencing.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Trump's team won't appeal. There's no appeal from that.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
Well, it's going to be part of it's going to
be part of the appeal are going to They don't
have a right to an interlocutory appeal that is on
that specific evidentiary issue, because that's all it would be,
would be an evidentiary issue as to what evidence does
or does not come in.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
And I'm certain that maybe.

Speaker 7 (09:15):
The judge will split a little bit of the baby
and say, okay, I'll give you a little pingito in
the water. But this little piece of evidence, whether the
jury had seen it, had analyzed it or not, doesn't
make any difference whatsoever.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
That's not the basis upon which they decided.

Speaker 7 (09:30):
It may come out something like that, but the judge
is going to decide, and then there's going to be
a sentencing.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
And like I said, if he does end up.

Speaker 7 (09:38):
Getting sentenced, being sentenced in September to home confinement or
something that's that's cool.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
While he's campaigning, you will probably spin it as is
something he can he can take advantage of. After that
opinion came out yesterday, the whole country, all the non
lawyers want to know what interlocatory means in terms John
Roberts using that that term. I know it's beyond the
scope of today's ruling in New York, but any thoughts

(10:06):
on Atlanta. These judges have to be pulling their head
hair out now that John Roberts has these lower court
judges trying to distinguish between what's official and what's nonofficial.
Any thoughts on how this might impact what's going on
in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
I mean separate from.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Obviously the attempt to remove Findie Willis delay.

Speaker 7 (10:24):
But I do want to explain if anybody, if I apologize,
interlocutory means.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
No, please don't apologize right thereby needs to know I have.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
That means you have a right to an immediate appeal
of an issue. It's interlocutory meaning it's happening right now.
You're not waiting until the trial is fully over and
then appealing something on the merits.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
It means you have a right to chase it all
the way up.

Speaker 7 (10:48):
The chain, stop all of the current action, and go
up and get immediate relief. And so what I am
saying is I do not believe that that will happen
with this particular ruling if the judge decides that there
were no official acts. But it's a delay no matter what.
And that's what I would say about these other cases.
It's a delay, but it's delay but not denied. That's

(11:09):
what's cliches, right.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Grick, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
But it's true in.

Speaker 7 (11:15):
That the actions that he is accused of have nothing
to do with the office of the president.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
So even though.

Speaker 7 (11:24):
They're trying to give a pass for certain conduct, ain't
no way you.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
Can say that the man who lost the election is
in his.

Speaker 7 (11:34):
Official capacity trying to muscle governors into lying and saying
something different, sending you know, people out in order to
harass people who are working at the polls. All of
these actions are not about the official business of the
United States. These are about the actions of candidate Trump.

(11:56):
And we've had to in many ways. That's why there's
all kinds campaign finance reform laws and all kinds of
you know, FEC laws and etc. We separate, but separate
candidate from office holder all the time. So judges are
capable of doing this. There's plenty of case law for
them to work with on that.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Wonderful.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Well, I'm going to bring in our panel for a
moment and then we'll go to break and maybe come
back and continue this conversation with of course, our brother,
doctor Mustafa Santiago A Lee, former Senior Advisor for the
Environmental and for Environmental Justice for the EPA currently under
attack with the rest of the administrative state, Teresa London
Teresa London rather, principal founder of TML Communications out of Philadelphia, PA.

(12:39):
And of course Dot Lee is coming out of Washington,
d C. And our brother Larry J. Walker, Assistant Professor,
University of Central Florida and Orlando, Florida. And Larry, I
understand that a raft of laws went into place yesterday
July first there in the state of Florida, everything from
homelessness to everything else. So brother, why don't we start
with you, maybe any questions for our system.

Speaker 8 (13:01):
Yeah, Monique, thanks for joining this and I appreciate everything
you do. I wanted to know you know, obviously a
lot has been made over the last several hours about
what the Supreme Court decided. And I wonder if we
hypothetically can take a look at a Trump presidency. And
I know you probably tweeted about this and talked about
this in other platforms, but using the New York, New York,

(13:24):
what's happening in New Year, what happen in New York
as an example, how do you foresee a Prince Trump
presidency as related to his immunity trial. Because I think
people need to hear it consistently about what it looks
like that the Supreme Court made this decision. And now
former President Trump is going to feel empowered to make
some steps as it relates to former current or former politicians, journalists,

(13:47):
et cetera. And how he could use is that as
a cloak to say this is official it was official business.

Speaker 7 (13:53):
Well, I mean they handed him the gun. They handed
him the gun for his threats. He was already threatening
to whole political opposition responsible in courts of law. He
was already threatening to, you know, go through his list
of people who are his.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
Enemies and hold them accountable.

Speaker 7 (14:16):
His underlings, his sink events were already saying, I mean
Bannon was going.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
To jail saying.

Speaker 7 (14:23):
That the head of the Justice Department and the assistant
heads of the Justice Department, where he was predicting there
were going to be serving time. So if you put
a gun in the hand and of someone who already
is threatening to shoot people and then tell them, oh,
by the way, you can't be punished for this, then

(14:48):
that is the exact circumstance that we are in. Whether
it's press that's considered his enemies, whether it's people from
other campaigns for other parties, whomever it is, he can
do whatever it is they're saying as president, and he
could declare that they are threats to the United States,
that they are threats to our government, that they could

(15:11):
false accusations of espionage or treason could be thrown at them,
and he could decide whatever it is the punishment they've
given carte blanche for conversations between the executive branch and
the judicial branch, saying that the president has the right
to confer with the Justice Department, the head of the
Justice Department, of the Attorney General on cases. All of

(15:33):
these things were laid out in that decision yesterday, and
I agree with what charyln Eifel said.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
Just one of our respected.

Speaker 7 (15:42):
Colleagues in the law that we have the right to
defend our democracy. So what we are looking at is
an eminent threat to democracy. And once we secure this
election in November and ensure that the immediate threat is
behind us and that we do not have an immoral,
criminally enterprising felon in the White House, then steps legislatively

(16:08):
are going to have to be taken in order to
correct this decision as best as possible.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Thanks Devil Walker, Thanks Larry Theresa questions for money.

Speaker 9 (16:20):
Yeah, so, I think we've kind of already seen some
of the turmoil conversations that is happening on social media,
you know about this decision. Is there anything from the
legal standpoint that you know in conversations that feel like,
you know, this is just wrong and they're willing to, like,

(16:44):
you know, say something or do something, or is this
from the legal community just like, hey, the decision was
made and this is it.

Speaker 7 (16:54):
Well, I mean, Shehrln Eifel, who I was just using
as an example, is a part of the legal community,
and any number of organizations are stepping forward and saying
that this takes away years and years of president But
I can't say in any stronger terms that this is
a consequence of voting, of voting matters, and back in

(17:19):
the day, I'm going to call twenty sixteen. Back in
the day, this was all on the ballot. And when
you have entities within our governing structure that no longer
follow rules, especially when it's the parts of the structure
that make the rules, that make the decisions about what

(17:40):
is and is not legal, we are hamstrung even in
terms of the foundations of our constitutional system. So yes,
there are people who want to do things to fix it,
but it's not an easy thing. We're looking at perhaps
amendment to the Constitution.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
We're looking at.

Speaker 7 (18:00):
Having to codify laws in order to put rails on
the presidency because now the Justice Department has decided against
it at the toppest level, top level of our judiciary,
and that is not something that is easily undone.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Thank you, Teresa, and bring us home. Dot Ali, it
was brother mustaff questions for Monique.

Speaker 10 (18:27):
Yeah, well, Monique, it's good to see you.

Speaker 11 (18:29):
We've seen recently a shifting of government power and dismantling
also of where that power resides and moving that power
to folks like the president and to the Supreme Court.
It's overlay for folks Project twenty twenty five. So now
we have a president that has immunity to do almost

(18:49):
anything within his official powers, right, that's the way that
they frame it. And now we have Project twenty twenty
five that also brings forward this sort of nationalist agenda
of being able to further restructure takeover power.

Speaker 10 (19:07):
What does it look like moving forward?

Speaker 11 (19:08):
Because we've got what we've got in this moment, many
people need to have an understanding of what the future
could look like and how does power play out in
this new future based upon what the Supreme Court has
done and what Project twenty twenty five is promoting.

Speaker 7 (19:26):
I mean, this was the plan, Mustafa, this is this
is it because if you can remove the strength from
the voter and put it in the hands of a compromised,
mantoring candidate of a man, that is.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
The last grab for power. I was on at.

Speaker 7 (19:45):
Karen Hunter's show yesterday when this all came out, talking
to Reese was guest hosting and Eric Erica was co
hosting with her, and that was the one comment that
I made that I will repeat. The vote they're trying
to after is because we are getting browner and browner
and they can see without a doubt the end of

(20:10):
power sitting in majority white, older male with money. This
country will not be that for much longer. And the
only way to keep it from happening is to make
the vote less powerful, make the vote weaker and weaker,
and put the strength into the hands of people who

(20:34):
will make arbitrary, capricious decisions that stack the deck so
that our vote no longer matters. So what we are
trying to arrest right now is this entire plan.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
And it's only if you care about the system of democracy.

Speaker 7 (20:51):
And I hope for people who were saying at some point,
doesn't matter who the president is, it's all the same,
doesn't matter who ends up on the Supreme Court, it's
all the same. I hope you are seeing now how
untrue that that really is.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Absolutely Thank you, Thank you stuff, and thank you legal
analyst Monique Presley, the host of Make It Make Sense
with Monique Presley.

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M Welcome back to Roland Martin unfiltered here on the
Black Star Network. A Wisconsin school is hit with a
twenty million dollar lawsuit for not intervening to stop a
white female teacher from sexually assaulting a black teenage boy.

(24:45):
Elizabeth Dillett of Franklin, who served as a kindergarten teacher
at Saint Peter Emmanuel Lutheran School's athletic director and as
the athletic director there in Milwaukee, Clintic guilty in twenty
sixteen having sex with Josiah Strong, who was only fourteen years.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Old at the time.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Josiah Strong joins us along with his mother, Sarah Strong,
and his attorney b Ivy Lamar. They're joining us right
out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Welcome to Roland Martin Unfiltered.

Speaker 18 (25:19):
Thank you for having us.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Oh no, the pleasure is ours, brother. That's why the
Black Star Network exists, in fact, to have this essential conversation. Counselor,
why don't we start with you, if that's all right,
and give us a framework for how we should be
talking about this case and where we are, and then
we'll move to Miss Strong and to you, brother Josiah.

Speaker 20 (25:41):
Absolutely, Doctor Carr, this is a situation that, as you
mentioned the card beginning somewhere around twenty fifteen, in which
Elizabeth Dillon has sexual intercourse with Josiah. She groomed them
over a period of time, resulting in sexual into course
occurring at least fifteen to twenty times, many times happening

(26:05):
directly at the Saint Peter Emanuel Lutheran School. Some of
the occasions also occurred in her own home. She took
them to hotels as well. Josiah also performed the work
for this school. He was hired to be a janitor
under Miss Dillitt's supervision, and she abused that she took

(26:28):
that opportunity to have him also be a volleyball assistant coach,
pulling out bleachers, doing all these various tasks, that he
was not compensated for the only exchange that he was
he received was for sex in food. So in essence,
mister Strong at fourteen years old was essentially a sex

(26:50):
slave to Missus Dillitt, helping her achieve her goals with
the school and her objectives in a school benefited. And
only the person that lost here was mister Strong, who
has suffered with this over all these years, deal with
all the trauma. This has to be one of the
most outrageous flagorant egregious circumstances I've heard in an education setting. Ever,

(27:16):
so as a result, we have found a twenty million
dollar lawsuit against Elizabeth Dillon in Saint Peter and Manuol
Lutheran School.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
I mean this is stunning, brother, I mean stunning to hear,
I mean to hear this type of egregious behavior fifteen
to twenty times once, of course it's too much, but
fifteen to twenty times with a fourteen year old boy. Now,
Brother Josiah, and thank you, Brother Josiah. You are at
twenty four. Now this is about a decade ago.

Speaker 21 (27:44):
Yes, yes, sir, talk to us.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Brother, And first of all, I think we are all
in common accord of saying, is this is horrifying, and
we're glad that you're here to tell this story and
healthy and able to stand and fight. But regardless of
where you are now, take us back if you can
gently to the time and the context of what happened.

Speaker 21 (28:08):
First off, I want to say thank you for having
us and.

Speaker 22 (28:13):
It's been a long journey since, but just going back
in that time period, it's just something I kind of
relive every day now. But I would say it was
just something like you just explained, kind of horrifying, something
that it takes, and I know it's still going to
take a long, pretty long time.

Speaker 21 (28:35):
To get over heal.

Speaker 22 (28:37):
From and just back then, just understanding where I am now,
just back then.

Speaker 21 (28:44):
And taking myself through it.

Speaker 22 (28:46):
I just have to apologize and forgive my younger self
just for because I did blame that person a lot
for I feel like I was the issue and like
it was my fault for everything. But the biggest thing
now is, like I said, just being able to overcome

(29:11):
a lot of what happened in the past and what
I did experience, just losing a lot of my childhood
completely and just having to.

Speaker 21 (29:23):
As I got older, trying and gain that childhood back.

Speaker 22 (29:25):
And it just caused a fight between my younger self
and the person who I wanted to become over time,
and then just looking back, it was just something that
during that time I was I lost myself. I was
very closed off. I realized how often I didn't have
friends the top the nights, many nights I did not sleep,

(29:46):
struggling regular to know or understand if I'm gonna actually
be able to overcome something like this, and just that
was really the biggest thing for me just going back
and thinking about it. It was just something that I
really one of the biggest I'm not going to say
regrets in my life, but one of the biggest regrets

(30:08):
in my life that I just even allowed to happen.

Speaker 21 (30:12):
But again, it's not my fault, and just kind of.

Speaker 22 (30:19):
Just still kind of trying to figure out those emotions
just in the past, just more so understanding that I
lost a lot of my childhood, lost a lot of
who I am, and it's just a tough fight trying
to get that back.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
No, absolutely, and we know, no matter no matter what
we know with our head that of course it's not
your fault.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
We know that.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Of course we're all human and you've had to work
through this very fortunately, of course, to have love and
support and defense that has come from your mother, Miss Strong,
if you don't mind jumping in here for a moment.
According to the reports, another's parent had tried to report this, UH.

(31:02):
The principal got involved, tried to say with something between
you and another and the teacher, talk to us about
standing in that gap, UH, to protect Josiah and and
and what that process was like, especially since people were
trying to tell about this before any action was taken,
and don't like any action eventually was taken.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Talked to us a little bit, Miss Strong.

Speaker 23 (31:26):
Yes, you're exactly right trying to stand in the gap. You,
as a parent, you send your children to school with
the expectation that you know the teachers and staff and
administration are going to treat your children as close to
their their own children. You expect them to protect them

(31:49):
and shield them from certain threats that occurred right.

Speaker 24 (31:55):
In this situation. Yes, another parent.

Speaker 23 (31:58):
Had brought out brought up some concerns with the school.
At the time, I was not aware of what her
concerns were. She brought those concerns to the school. There
was a meeting called I went to the meeting in essence,
there was like no physical evidence per se. And I

(32:19):
recall in that meeting, you know, basically telling Miss Dellett herself,
you know, what's done in the dark will come out
in the light, you know, and then to only find
out later on that her say you got warning, and
then sexual abuse continued even after that meeting. It was blatant,
it was predatory. We hear about it, and I kind

(32:43):
of made this statement at an earlier press conference. Today
we hear about it happening a lot in different systems.

Speaker 24 (32:49):
And it's just time that.

Speaker 23 (32:52):
People that are in authority, they need to be held
responsible for the damage that they placed on children.

Speaker 24 (33:00):
Josahi went through a lot. His family is going through
a lot.

Speaker 23 (33:05):
It's affected his siblings, It's affected his relationships moving forward
in life. I've had to deal with suicidal behaviors and
trying to seek him counseling earlier on, and as a fourteen, fifteen,
sixteen year old kid, they don't want to go to counseling.

Speaker 24 (33:23):
I'm just gonna be honest.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
They don't want to go to counseling.

Speaker 24 (33:27):
So he didn't. He was shut down.

Speaker 23 (33:28):
He would go because he was told he had to go,
but at the end of the day, the therapist will
tell us he's not talking, and so to get to
this point now, I am so incredibly proud of him.
Today I told him he is my hero. It's a
lot for anybody it's a victim of sexual abuse, but

(33:49):
for a black male, this was a white woman, it
changes the narrative. And I explained that I wanted to
be more normalized so that more children can seek justice
for what happens to them. And a lot of times
people don't have that way, they don't have the resources or.

Speaker 24 (34:08):
The capability to do so.

Speaker 23 (34:09):
But it's wrong what happened to him, and it's taking
him this long to seek and find who he is.

Speaker 24 (34:15):
His education was affected.

Speaker 23 (34:18):
Shouldn't finish college, the concentration wasn't there, He wasn't able.

Speaker 24 (34:23):
Still, it's still working on.

Speaker 23 (34:25):
Trying to maintain and hold down a job because once
he gets a job, his whole mindset goes somewhere else
after a while.

Speaker 24 (34:32):
And it's a lot that he's had to endure.

Speaker 23 (34:36):
But on today, I feel like helling begins because he
was able to come out and say things that I
haven't even heard him say over the last decade.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Oh wow, Oh that is very powerful. I mean, the
strength is clearly there. And with the love and support
and with this story becoming known by more and more people,
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We're just going to pour all that strength into you.
We're going to come back at after the break is
strong with you and Josiah and Bavory Lamar, and we'll

(35:06):
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a conversation with them about this case.

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Speaker 1 (37:27):
We are speaking again out of Milwaukee with b Ivory Lamar,
attorney for Josiah Strong and his mother, Josiah's mother, Sarah Strong.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
We're talking about this twenty million.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Dollar lawsuit that the Wisconsin school has been hit with
as a result of Josiah being assaulted, sexually assaulted repeatedly
by a teacher at this school ten years ago. Let's
go right to our Tuesday evening panel. Teresa, please open
up with some questions for the Strong family and for

(37:58):
counselor Lamar.

Speaker 28 (38:01):
Well one, I just want to open up with condolences.

Speaker 9 (38:04):
This is never an easy issue to you know, speak
about in public and also handling private. And definitely I
am you are strong. You are your last game. So
I definitely appreciate.

Speaker 28 (38:18):
That and the work that your lawyer is doing. I'm
hoping that more.

Speaker 9 (38:21):
Others in terms of law firms are doing the same
thing in terms of lawsuits, because you know, you apparently
are showing that inside of the school system where they
are receiving state, local, and federal dollars, mostly state and
local dollars, though they're not doing the protection, they're not
educating students, and so so I think my question is,

(38:43):
you know, if they're you know, I'm out here in.

Speaker 28 (38:45):
Pennsylvania and Philadelphia.

Speaker 9 (38:48):
If we could help in any way, if there's a
campaign going, please let us know. You know, I'm looking
at the news wire and I was reading the story
and I'm overly discussed this, so I don't have much
to say, but you know twenty million is just not enough.

Speaker 28 (39:03):
We need more.

Speaker 9 (39:04):
So if there's something we can help to do to
amplify you, know your efforts, please let us know.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Look, thank you, thank you, thank you. Teresa.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, I mean kind does leave you speechless, doesn't it, Mustafa.

Speaker 11 (39:19):
Yeah, Brother, Josiah, I understand sexual assault intimately, and I
know that it impacts you both mentally, physically and spiritually.
And it's not your fault. There was a predator that
took advantage of a child. And I'm sending love and
life to you, and we can always talk offline if

(39:41):
that's helpful for your attorney, Lamar. The question is was
there ever an investigation done? Now we know that there
was a parent who raised there's some set of concerns,
but there should have been an elevation, whether to the
school board or someone else when you have this type

(40:01):
of a situation going on. And then I have a
follow up question for Josiah.

Speaker 20 (40:09):
Unfortunately, there was no investigation whatsoever. We believe that the
principal whom the report was made with initially, but she
was just completely indifferent to this circumstance.

Speaker 18 (40:22):
In fact, the parent was so passionate about trying to.

Speaker 20 (40:25):
Get action, trying to get some type of resolve, that
she had to almost threaten the principle by stating that
if you do not have a meeting where I can
at least communicate this directly to the mother, that she
was going to go to the school board or you know,
take measures to the next level. And it was only
then when there was a meeting that was arranged with
the actual teacher, the perpetrator, Miss Strong, who's with us

(40:50):
on today, along with the principal, and that's when that
information was communicated Miss Strong.

Speaker 18 (40:55):
Acts.

Speaker 20 (40:56):
At that time, I demanded a formal investigation take place
see acts this principle. For a formal investigation, nothing happened,
no contact was made with child protective services, nothing further
was done, no communications, no support was offered to mister
Josiah Strong.

Speaker 18 (41:15):
So again this was.

Speaker 20 (41:16):
Allowed to happen for another four months in which there
was six to seven more acts of sexual intercourse directly
in the classroom of the school.

Speaker 18 (41:24):
Because there was no investigation.

Speaker 20 (41:26):
So again we're very a part of it, and I
believe this is just flagrant behavior which helps to justify
such a substantial demand that we made in this case.

Speaker 11 (41:37):
And brother strong, you know we have there's a conservative
number that over half a million rapes and sexual assaults
happen in our country.

Speaker 10 (41:44):
We know that the numbers are much higher than that.

Speaker 11 (41:47):
Many times it is to women and girls when it
is you know, when it is brothers and young men
or children, male children who it happens to me there
as often folks often say we shouldn't talk about it
that you know, it's just that whole machismo thing that
we're raised with. As you are going through the healing process,

(42:07):
and healing takes a lifetime sometimes, but we also know
that as we begin to heal, we want to reach
out and help others to make sure that this does
not happen to them and that they don't carry that
burden with them. Have you given any thought to as
you are throwing and traveling down your road, how you might.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
Want to get back?

Speaker 21 (42:28):
Yes, yes, absolutely, In many ways.

Speaker 22 (42:32):
The biggest way is starting with today me being a
voice for most importantly men who have been through this.

Speaker 21 (42:41):
I know it's from experience.

Speaker 22 (42:43):
I know this is very something like something very hard
to talk about it speak about something even hard to
overcome or even want to voice to someone just because again,
like you said, it's something that we're taught as guys,
you know, And I want to say to the world
while I have opportunity, it's not something that we should

(43:04):
be teaching guys.

Speaker 21 (43:05):
Guys should be Any.

Speaker 22 (43:06):
Male of any age should have the ability and opportunity
to speak his mind, to speak how he feels, to
speak what it is he has been through openly, especially
when it comes to sexual abuse.

Speaker 21 (43:18):
And I'm speaking on.

Speaker 22 (43:20):
That with so much aggression because my experience through this
going through high school, it was I was it was
celebratory for a lot of people, and for a lot
of my classmates or guys who are.

Speaker 21 (43:33):
Older than me and younger than me.

Speaker 22 (43:34):
And I just want to say to whoever has friends
like that or you know what I'm saying, if you
know someone who has been through.

Speaker 21 (43:41):
It, I encourage you to get them help.

Speaker 22 (43:44):
I encourage the person who has experienced it to go
and get help, to speak to someone whoever it is
you may trust, which are you know what I'm saying,
your biggest secret, talk to him.

Speaker 21 (43:55):
And I just want to say that it needs to
be normalized.

Speaker 22 (43:59):
That if just like it is with a man on
a on a woman or a young girl. It needs
to be normalized the same way, just as you know
what I'm saying a male, I mean a woman on
a male.

Speaker 21 (44:11):
It's nothing different. It's nothing different.

Speaker 22 (44:14):
And as I got older, it was something I realized
that helped me understand it's not my fault. And to
the guys who have experienced this, it's not your fault.
And as Mofa just said, it healing takes a lifetime.
And I'm glad I got this opportunity to speak this
and say this to you all because the biggest thing, again,

(44:34):
like I said, if you are a male who has
experienced this, please speak up. I encourage you to because
it's a lot of things that I experienced and went
through a lot of deep holes that I fell into
that I not have to dig myself out of because
of these things, more so emotionally and spiritually.

Speaker 21 (44:53):
But please, I encourage you to speak up.

Speaker 22 (44:55):
It's not an easy task, but you deserve it. It's
important to you and most importantly, you matter. Mental health matters.
I lost a friend to mental health and to suicide.

Speaker 21 (45:07):
So that is kind of my plan, just to really
be a voice for the males.

Speaker 22 (45:13):
Who feel like they can't be one because again, experiencing
and going through everything, I never was afraid to be
a leader.

Speaker 21 (45:24):
I never was afraid to speak up. I'm very blood,
I'm very honest.

Speaker 22 (45:27):
And I just I get the opportunity today to get
that back, and I start with myself, but most importantly
now get the chance to give this match message to everyone.

Speaker 21 (45:41):
Males. Most importantly, please speak up. We deserve it. We
deserve it because we matter.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
We matter. Let that resonate right there.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Thank you stuff for framing it the way you did,
and trust and believe brothers. Josiah, I think we all
know that folks watching right now who will watch later
on and over the weeks and months of this conversation
that you've opened up, you've already helped somebody with the
comments that you said.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Larry.

Speaker 8 (46:10):
Please, ye know, Josiah, you know it's certainly like I said,
you know, reiterad what my colleagues said about what happened
to you. But I just want to say that I
agree with you. You know, she's showing up today and
having this conversation undoubtedly will help individuals who've been you've
been victimized in some way encourage them to speak out

(46:32):
about something if something similar happened to them, So I
think that should be noted in terms of the impact
your having individuals you may never even meet. So thank
you for your bravery and it is it is appreciated.
What I want to do is I have a question
for your your attorney, so your father, this lawsuit. I'm
curious what is what has the response been from the school,

(46:55):
if anything, relating to this this spending lawsuit.

Speaker 20 (46:58):
Well, we have had, you know, some conversations with the
school prior to following some time ago.

Speaker 21 (47:07):
One of the.

Speaker 20 (47:07):
Critical components that I think that we have uncovered in
recent months was the mother getting her identity. We knew
the child who mother she was, so it took some
work to kind of find out that individual. We got
in contact with her, got her statements, got you know,

(47:29):
what exactly happened was she reported, So once we were
able to corroborate that, we thought that was a missing
piece to be able to demonstrate that the school had
noticed of these incidents, of these allegations and just completely failed.
Mister Mark didn't do anything to address these very very
concerning allegations that ultimately revealed itself.

Speaker 18 (47:52):
To be the truth.

Speaker 20 (47:53):
So you know that has some type of context as
to kind of how we got here at this point.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Thank you, Larry, And one final question before we pause
for now, and we trust and believe and hope that
you'll come back and update us on progress as as
we continue.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Council, you filed under.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
It was Constant Statutes for contemporary for compensatory and punitive
damages and also Title nine. Could you, like Teresa said,
twenty million, it's not enough, there's never enough money. But
your what's your theory as you're moving forward in prosecuting
this case.

Speaker 20 (48:32):
Sure, well, there's a concer statue that provides for victims
of very select crimes to be afforded an extended statue
of limitations that provides them up till age thirty five
to bring a claim because the statue, I mean, the
legislature has long considered the effects, the trauma, how individuals

(48:55):
are impacted about confronting these type of circumstances. So we
took advantage of that statue that provides a direct claim
against the perpetrator, and we are also looking to hold
the school vicariously liable, seeing that she was able to
orchestrate these acts directly from her position utilizing her authority,

(49:16):
and it applied a benefit to the school directly from
work that Josiah performed in essence for the exchange of
sex and food. So we believe that the school is
vicariously liable. That leads us to the third claim of
the Title nine violation. There's something called quit pro quo
sexual harassment when there's a person in a position of

(49:39):
power who utilizes that influence to prey upon an individual,
to groom an individual, as she did Josiah. So we're
looking to hold them liable for sex discrimination on that basis,
in addition to the deliberate indifference that we talked about
a little bit about the school having noticed a principal
having noticed on two oka and just completely failing to

(50:02):
do anything whatsoever.

Speaker 18 (50:04):
So again that is the theory of our lawsuit.

Speaker 20 (50:06):
Josiah is suffering from depression, PTSD, suicidal ideation, drug abuse.
All of these things stemmed from this incident, so that
also helps support. Obviously, there's no amount of money that
will all but give back.

Speaker 18 (50:24):
Josiah his childhood.

Speaker 20 (50:26):
There's no amount of money that would give him his
innocence back. He had no sexual intercourse whatsoever with any
individual prior to the teacher in this circumstance. So again
we have to put some type of numbers, some type
of demand. But again we don't think there's any amount
of money that can justify such a great, egregious behavior.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Absolutely well, you're fighting the good fight, counselor, and it's
an honor to have you here to.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Walk us through this.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
This is what our attorneys need to be able to
do and need to be able to carry out. Be
Avrey Lamar from the Lamar Firm out of Houston, Texas.
Thank you, brother and Josiah. Your strength is on display
right now. We're channeling all that back to you all
the love and strength and support and miss Strong, Sarah Strong,
thank you for being a model of what parents are
supposed to do for their children, particularly in moments of crisis.

(51:16):
We were glad you have joined us, and please, please,
as I said, be ready to come back and give
us some updates as the case advances.

Speaker 18 (51:22):
Thank you all, so thank you for having us.

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Attorneys for the last two remaining survivors of the nineteen
twenty one Tulsa race massacre asked the Oklahoma Supreme Court
on Tuesday to reconsider it's eight to one vote to
uphold the District Court judge's decision in Tulsa to dismiss
the case last year. Valla Fletcher one hundred and ten

(54:38):
and Leslie Lessie Biddingfield Randall one hundred and nine are
the last known survivors of one of the single worst
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Hundreds of black people were murdered, more than twelve hundred homes, businesses, schools,
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(55:02):
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also known famously as Black Wall Street. Our brother, civil
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to see you, brother. You don't let these people get
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as you held the press conference and our elders were
there in the world waiting to see what you were
about to drop. Now, so please walk us through what
happened today.

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Brother.

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Well, first of all, it's always good to see you, doctor,
carry your hard working man. I just saw you Saturday
with Karen to see you on serious accidence, so it's
really really a blessing to beyond with you.

Speaker 6 (55:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (55:53):
Today, you know we had and we had one of
our survivors' mother, Leslie Benefit Roundah was one hundred and
nine years old.

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And what we were doing with two things today.

Speaker 29 (56:00):
One we were following out a petition of rehearing at
Oklahoma Supreme Court because, as you stated, they dismissed our
appeal eight to one. But they did it unjustly and
they did it without proper analysis of the law. And
you know, we live in a very dangerous time where
laws are not mattering.

Speaker 30 (56:14):
You know, we're.

Speaker 29 (56:15):
Seeing that the courts are just doing whatever they want
to do at the state, international level. But we are
We have the right to do this under Oklahoma law,
and so we're going to do We're gonna make sure
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Speaker 30 (56:27):
And we laid out very clearly why the court.

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Got it wrong, not just because, not just to say
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For instance, an unjust in Richmond, which basically we were
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(56:51):
the city of Tulsa, raised over thirty million dollars doing
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but they were giving people the impression that the survivors
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justin Richmond has never in the history of Oklahoma one
hundred and over one hundred plus years of litigation, has
never required that you plead fraud. But the Supreme Court said, well,

(57:13):
since you didn't pleave fraud, We're going to kick you out.
They're on our public nuisance claim. They specifically ignored the
law which allows a public nuisance to move forward if
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talked about, doctor Carr. Over fifteen hundred homes and businesses
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(57:36):
that was what we were doing for the state level.
But this presentation, this press conference today was all about
also about talking to the Biden administration. Listen, doctor Carr,
and I know I ought to tell you Black people
today are trying to figure out why should they stand
in those lines and go and vote for this administration.
And what we're saying is that the President Obamp President

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Biden twenty one, he came to Tulsa, He set with
my clients, he held their hands, he promised them to
their face that he would make sure they get justice,
and then he that was a private meeting. Then he
went out and had a public speech where he also
said we must confront this history and that he was
going to stand with our clients. Well, doctor Carr, We've

(58:21):
been failed by the courts, We've been failed by the
state legislature, We've been failed.

Speaker 30 (58:26):
By the Congress.

Speaker 29 (58:27):
And now we're coming to President Biden and saying, President Biden,
you promised my clients you will get justice. And Black
people throughout this entire country are looking at the Tulsa
race masacer as the worst act of domestic terrorism. It
is a collective pain and collective wound on Black America,
and I think Black people everywhere saying if Joe Biden

(58:49):
and President Biden couldnot stand with these survivors at this
time and fight for one hundred and nine year old
loves Benefield Round and one hundred and ten year old
vi All the Ford Fletcher, will he fight for black people.
So I'm saying President Joe Biden, and this is an
easy win for you, but it's a necessary win for
my clients, for our community, and for Black America.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Counselor, I tell you man this and the way understanding
of the press conference, you evoke the Immittil Unsolved US
C Rights Crimes Act as some controlling legislation there, it
seems like a no brainer. Just going back to the
Oklahoma Supreme Court for a second I was reading in
the wake of the press conference you all called one

(59:34):
of the uh one of the law professors you have
working with you, Eric Miller, said that the court was
rewrote its own public nuisance statue and you've explained that
to us, they just seemed hell bent and determined to delay.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Is that one of the tactics?

Speaker 1 (59:49):
I mean, what are the politics at work at this
in your estimation, Well.

Speaker 29 (59:54):
Dutch cars, you know, for one hundred, for over seventy
five years there was a conspiracy.

Speaker 30 (59:58):
Silence at the mascould have happened.

Speaker 29 (01:00:00):
And over the last twenty seven years since that conspiracy
of sciences was broken in the early two thousands, late
nineteen nineties, this has been a delay tactic. We've done
so many things along this journey. In two thousand and one,
there was a state commission that produced a report that
said reparations cash reparations was due to the survivors descendants,

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there should be scholarships, and there should be a memorial.
Those things have not happened, except the scholarship in Halfway
has happened, but no reparations, no memorials happen.

Speaker 30 (01:00:30):
There's been other litigation. I'm not the first lawyer.

Speaker 29 (01:00:32):
Listen, people started filing lawsuits in nineteen twenty one. I'm
standing on the shoulders of the Great BC Franklin, who's
the father adopted John Hope Franklin, who was a victim
of the mascaret.

Speaker 30 (01:00:42):
You know these people.

Speaker 29 (01:00:43):
And so they delayed those cases that was filed in
nineteen twenty one. They delayed them for sixteen years until
they finally dismissed them in nineteen thirty seven without a hearing.
They delayed the case that was filed in two thousand
and three by the late Great Professor Charles Ogletree, my
mentor with other laws rias that I worked with, like
Johnny Cochran and Willie Gary and Michelle Roberts, and that

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litigation was kicked out of federal court in two thousand
and five. They have delayed when there was another lawsuit
filed in twenty ten by a massacre victim of attorney
by the name of Caesar Lattimer, whose entire family and
their businesses were destroyed, they delayed and kicked that out
of court. In this particular case that I filed in
September one, twenty twenty, it's been almost four years ago

(01:01:25):
that we've been litigating this, and we've been going through
every little delayed tactic there can be hoping that these
last two survivors would die and doctor carry. As you know,
when we filed this case, there was actually three living savivs, Yes, sir.
In one of those individuals, my good friend and climb
mister Hughes Vanilla as we called him Uncle Red.

Speaker 30 (01:01:43):
He passed away at one hundred and two in October. Yes,
so we do believe they.

Speaker 29 (01:01:47):
Want everyone to die, because what is the tried and
true method for white supremacy when we talk about reparations
and resenting parent pass harm, what there is no one here,
no one suffered the harm.

Speaker 30 (01:01:57):
Well, you can't say that in Tulsa.

Speaker 29 (01:01:59):
And that's why Tulsa is so important to our people naturally,
because we understand that a win for Tulsa that opens
up the door for other wins throughout this country.

Speaker 30 (01:02:09):
The reverse of that is just as true.

Speaker 29 (01:02:10):
If you cannot win a clear violation of civil and
human rights, you can There is no one to dispute
that the massacre happened. There is no one to dispuse
that the massacre is the worst domestic terrorists event in
the history of this country. There is no one to
dispute that my two clients are survivors and victims of
the massacre, yet they are not getting justice. What does

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that say to us as black people throughout this country.
That's why I bring it back to President Joe Biden
and his Department of a Justice. They can right now
tomorrow he could order the Department of Justice utilize the
Immitil Act of two thousand and seven Cold Case Act,
that which is set up to investigate civil rights crimes
that occur between nineteen twenty and nineteen seventy. President Joe

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Biden can come and stand with these these survivors. President
Joe Biden can make sure that the federal government opens
an investigation. President Joe Biden can make sure that my
clients will not die without justice like the other thousands
thousands of mask of victims who have died without any
former justice.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Absolutely, Brother, well, I tell you, man, those ancestors whose
names you call them, the role and those who still live,
whether it be Buck Franklin or Charles Obletree or Johnny Cochran,
Willie Gary and Stilen Brown once wrote, the strong men,
the strong women keep coming, and you're right in that
genealogy and in that vein Council Simmons, even though, as

(01:03:32):
you say, you started with three plainers and do you
continue with three? So even though Uncle Red, even though
brother Hughes van Ellis has become an ancestor, you're still
representing his estate in court. Is that correct? How does
that work in terms of even going forward? Because we
know that we all got to go that way at

(01:03:53):
some point and God knows, I take one hundred and
two today one hundred and nine or one hundred and ten,
but either way, and as we move forward, would anything
stop these claims? I mean you're still representing Hughes van
Ellis as a state, right, Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:04:11):
Absolutely, His daughter flew down from Denver, Colorado, Murill Watson
to represent mister Hughes Vanilla's uncle Red, and.

Speaker 30 (01:04:18):
Yes, his the state moves forward.

Speaker 29 (01:04:19):
And that's the thing about our public nuisance claim which
was so powerful, and no other the states have public nuisance claims.
That's very similar to Oklahoma, and it specifically says that
there's a nuisance that's ongoing, meaning it's continuing, it's happening
right now. There is no statute of limitations on bringing
the claim and so long as someone can show that
they are being harmed by the nuisance that is ongoing,

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they can move forward with the claim. So, really, doctor Carr,
anyone within the Greenwood district today that's being impacted by
the nuisance can bring that claim. And this is why
they kicked us out on this so called public public
public question doctrine where they said, hey, this is not
for the court to decide, this is for the legislators.
Let to decide. Well, I just told you that the

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legislator they've been told in two thousand and one, but
they were supposed to They're not going to do it.
The court just didn't want to deal with this particular issue.
And we see, just as we saw with the United
States Supreme Court, they can make laws up as they
want to. And that's why so many black people are
feeling disheardened and discouraged today and thinking about the election
cycle and voting. Listen, as you always say, doctor Carr,

(01:05:24):
there is no question what needs to happen here.

Speaker 30 (01:05:26):
There is no question who needs we need.

Speaker 29 (01:05:28):
To We cannot have Donald Trump, right, There's no question
about that. But the question is are people going to
feel and motivated to vote at all? And when they
see things like Tulsa not getting justice and they don't
hear anything from this White House standing up and doing
all that it can. This is not something that President
Biden needs the Congress to do. This is not something
that President Biden needs to the courts to do. This

(01:05:49):
is something that President Biden and Biden Harrison administration can
do themselves. This is something that they can say, yes,
we're going to fulfill the promises that I made to
Uncle Red and Hughes and Mother Fletcher and around. I
can do this. I am President. I can make sure
that this investigation is entered and started for the first
time ever in one hundred and three years. If he

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did something like that, that would send a signal to
black people throughout this country that he does understand our pain,
he does understand our desires, he does understand our need
to make sure that place is like Tulsa, is made whole.
Because when you destroy Greenwood, you didn't just destroy people
in Oklahoma, you destroyed all the Black America. That's why
people rally around Greenwood. That's why people rally around our survivors.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I appreciate you, brother, and that is so powerful. As
you said, greenwood is a living place, is a specific place,
but it's also a symbol of all of the other
greenwoods in the black wall streets around this country over
the arc of years. So that's a very powerful statement.
I'll tell you what. We're going to take a quick
break and we're going to come back on the other
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We're back with civil rights attorney to Mario Solomon Simmons,
founder of Justice for Greenwood, updating us on the latest
blow for justice coming out of Tulsa, Black Wall.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Street, the Greenwood District.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
And let's start with with Larry doctor Walker, questions for
our brother to Mario Solomon Simmons.

Speaker 8 (01:09:00):
Yes, first of all, thank you, thank you for your advocacy.
I know this is a lot of hard work. You know,
people see you on television but don't realize the years,
you know, all the hours of time we put in
to make sure that we try to find some kind
of just do for these survivors.

Speaker 18 (01:09:15):
So thank you for that.

Speaker 8 (01:09:18):
So my question relates to, I know, you know, so
making sure that people understand the history is here in
terms of what happened in Tulsa. I know you have
a very conservative secretary of education there and recently I
saw Oklahoma is instituted in terms of studying the Bible,
and I'm really curious to what's what are students learning

(01:09:40):
about the Tulsa massacre in schools? Is that is that
something that's been instituted. I know you talked about, you know,
a few years ago they had, you know, a commission,
and I'm curious is that been instituted to make sure
that we don't see a repeat of what happened uh
more than a century ago.

Speaker 29 (01:09:57):
I appreciate the question, Doctor Walker. I will say one
our secretary of education Ryan Walters was the same guy
that a couple of months ago said the Tulsa race
massacre was not about race. So, you know, we're in
a very difficult environment here in Oklahoma. I mean as
a very red maga state has been a maga state
for fifteen years before Donald Trump was even thought of

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running for office.

Speaker 30 (01:10:21):
And one of the things I'm most proud of about
our work.

Speaker 29 (01:10:23):
You know, I've been working on this issue since basically
since nineteen ninety seven, over twenty five plus years.

Speaker 30 (01:10:28):
And I remember when I first started.

Speaker 29 (01:10:30):
Very few people that knew anything about the Tulsa massacre,
and those that did, everybody.

Speaker 30 (01:10:34):
Called it the Tulsa race riot.

Speaker 29 (01:10:36):
And we worked very, very hard to change that that
was not a riot, but it was.

Speaker 30 (01:10:41):
A massacre, and we've been successful in that.

Speaker 29 (01:10:43):
At the time, also, we worked really really hard to
make sure that gets into the curriculum, and that has
happened in some form of fashion throughout the state of Oklahoma.

Speaker 30 (01:10:52):
But then we continue to work to make sure that
more people know about it.

Speaker 29 (01:10:56):
And because of our efforts, efforts of like The Watchmen,
HBO's love Craft Country and even people like Roland and
doctor Carr and Karen Hunter and many many other of
our partners.

Speaker 30 (01:11:08):
The story's out there. But here's the deal, doctor Walker.

Speaker 29 (01:11:10):
We still only know about ten percent of what happened
with the massacre. That's what's so important about our litigation
and discovery process. There are documents, pictures, information that we
don't have access to because who has it is the
perpetrators of the massacre. They have the records, they have
the documentation that we need to have access to. So
our litigation and the litigations to get justice is not

(01:11:31):
just about a remedy, some type of financial remedy or
even a repair, and it's also about uncovering the truth,
getting more education to make sure that we have more
understanding of what happened at this massacre. Because the doctor
Carr said, there was greenwoods all over this country. The
thing that made the Tulsa Race Masker unique was not
because it was burnt down. It's not because it was destroyed.

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That happened all the time, all over the place. Unfortunately.
What made the Tulsa Race Masker unique was because of
the skies and scope and scale of the the community,
the size and scope and organization of the community, and
the size and scope and scale of the destruction of
that community. That is what we're fighting to have a
true understanding of and for all of you all are listening,
go to Justice Frogreenwood dot org. Justice from Greenwood dot

(01:12:14):
org our organization.

Speaker 30 (01:12:15):
That's one of the things that we do is educate.
We call it truth telling.

Speaker 29 (01:12:18):
We truth tell about the massacre, the perpetrators, those who
did it, and not just about the maskt but about
Greenwood as a whole. You know, we call Greenwood a
lot of times black Wall Street. Black Wall Street was
a part of Greenwood. The community was Greenwoods, so it's
about forty square blocks. Black Wall Street was the business district.
So sometimes we even have to make sure we're educating

(01:12:38):
people about that because sometimes the whole Greenwood story gets
caught up in this capitalistic mantra that you just hey,
you just pull yourselves to buy your bootstraps.

Speaker 30 (01:12:48):
That's not what built Greenwood.

Speaker 29 (01:12:50):
Greenwood's not built by capitalism, is built by cooperative economics, freedom,
mind state, and people who really wanted to love each
other and have self determination.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Thank you, brother for making that, making that very important point,
because as you say, folks like to line up and
so this is black capitalism. Everybody calm down, you know
a little bit more history. So appreciate you, brother, and
thanks Larry for asking that question.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Teresa. Please for brother Simmons, Teresa, what's up?

Speaker 10 (01:13:21):
I was beautiful.

Speaker 28 (01:13:22):
Hey, how you doing? Last time I saw you were
on CNA.

Speaker 9 (01:13:27):
You did an excellent job with your team talking about
this issue, and I'm so happy that you want the
national platform doing that.

Speaker 28 (01:13:35):
But I literally took the picture.

Speaker 21 (01:13:36):
I like that.

Speaker 9 (01:13:38):
Honestly, my question you already answered it because I'm sure
you've done these programming more than one time talking about
the same thing. It was to repeat your website because
some folks in the chat are wanted to get more information.
So if you could just do that for us one
more time, I'll make sure I added in here.

Speaker 30 (01:13:54):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 21 (01:13:54):
Ri.

Speaker 30 (01:13:54):
It's good to see you. You see every Tuesday.

Speaker 29 (01:13:57):
But Justice for Greenwood dot org, Justice for r organ
that's to think about our organization.

Speaker 30 (01:14:02):
We do four things really. Number one is what we.

Speaker 29 (01:14:05):
Call our policy advocacy, legal and policy advocacies.

Speaker 30 (01:14:08):
Where we do our litigation.

Speaker 29 (01:14:09):
We do our work with you know, different elected officials,
trying to get them to put in policies and procedures
that will be better for our people.

Speaker 30 (01:14:17):
And then we also do what called We Are.

Speaker 29 (01:14:20):
Greenwood or WAG program, which we do all history and genealogy.

Speaker 30 (01:14:25):
We just had a huge genealogy event a couple of
weeks ago.

Speaker 29 (01:14:27):
We had over three hundred people come out to learn genealogy.
Those who wanted to see if they are connected to
Tulsa in the green With community, those who want to
see if they're connected to the Black Indians of Oklahoma
who helped build Greenwood. There would not be a Greenwood
without the Black Indians. You know, my family, I'm a
Black Creek Indian. My family came here from Alabama. Doctor
carrk from Alabama teen thirties. I'm actually a Muskogee. I'm

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a Tuskegee Indian underneath the Creek nation.

Speaker 30 (01:14:54):
And so we educate people about that.

Speaker 29 (01:14:56):
Also do your genealogy, make sure we can document you there.
Then we have our truth Tailling talked about education and
truth telling, but we're making sure that to be telling
the proper narrative from our perspective, both before Greenwood, before
the maskert the Masker and the post Masacre, which includes
urban development and all our resistant efforts. You know, it's
important to understand that we have resisted every step.

Speaker 30 (01:15:17):
Of the way, the whole thing that happened with the massacre.

Speaker 29 (01:15:20):
I'm proud, even though we eventually lost that war, it
was black men. It was black men, rich black men
who decided they were not going to allow a shoe
shine boy named Dick Rowland to be lynched by the
Tulsa white community. And these black men, people like AJ Smitherman,
attorney JB. Strafford, these people who are multi millionaires, lawyers

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on newspapers, the largest hotel in Black America, they decided
they're going to put everything on the line to go
and protect the Shoeshine boy, because again, Greenwood was about
love of self and love of community and love of neighbor.
And I'm proud of that. And they fought for twelve
hours until the mob got so big. At one point,
accord to the Guard, it was about twenty five thousand

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whites rampation through the city of Greenwood.

Speaker 30 (01:16:06):
That's not my words, that's the National Guard.

Speaker 29 (01:16:08):
And they broke through our defenses after twelve hours, poured in,
looted everything, then destroyed everything. And then the fourth thing
that we do we call our Justice forgreen with Legacy Fund,
where we provide resources to the survivors and descendants and
community organizations in Greenwood community.

Speaker 30 (01:16:22):
And today I'm proud to say.

Speaker 29 (01:16:24):
We've given over five hundred thousand dollars over the last
three years to survivors descendants in the Greenwood community, including
to our survivors Whill we gave each one hundred dollars apiece.

Speaker 30 (01:16:33):
That was not reparation, that was the right thing to do.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Absolutely, yes, sir, well, you know I always have a
spot brother to Mario for the Tuskegeeman. You know, like
you said that, my mother's grandfather Creek Indian, coming out
of that territory where our blood is commingled with the
first nations.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
So it's just so wonderful to hear you doing that
work to help families and communities connect their bloodline, genealogy
and clear the channels of memory so we can stricten
ourselves going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Brother Mustafa, Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:17:06):
It's good as a reunion tonight, a year we all
started together. I appreciate the work you do. I love
you brother with all my heart and your commitment. You know,
my grandmother used to have this quote. She said that
when you know better, do better. And we know that
the state of Oklahoma has never been interested in doing

(01:17:27):
the right thing for our community, even though we have
continued to fight diligently. And I appreciate you raising the
point about President Biden and that he could rectify some
of the harm and trauma that was done in the past.

Speaker 10 (01:17:42):
Can you walk folks.

Speaker 11 (01:17:43):
Through exactly what they should do to make sure that
he understands not only the significance of this moment, but
that if you want our vote, then you have to
show up for our people. So many times people aren't sure, well,
what do I do to push to make sure that
this becomes a reality?

Speaker 30 (01:18:02):
Ben, great question, Thank you so much for that. I'm
gonna give you.

Speaker 29 (01:18:05):
I'm gonna give you three easy things to do that
you can do right now. First of all, I'm giving
you a whip an email address to Merrick Garland, who
is the AG for those who don't know of the
Department of Justice, and it's as ask dot c rt
at USDJ dot gov. That's as ask dot c rt

(01:18:28):
at USDJ dot gov. Send that email right now and
say to Merrickgarland to open up the federal investigation and
to the Tulsa race massacre pursuing to the Immaterial Act
of two thousand and seven.

Speaker 30 (01:18:42):
That's number one. That's someone Number two. I want you
to go to.

Speaker 29 (01:18:47):
Justicefrogreenwood dot org. I want you to sign up for
our to be on on our newsletter. We're going to
have an active public campaign that we're going to be
kicking off specifically targeted to President Joe Biden and that
you can participate in. And the third thing I want
you to do, I want you to share the two

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things I just told you to three people.

Speaker 30 (01:19:10):
In your network and ask him to do the same thing.

Speaker 29 (01:19:13):
If we do those simple tasks, but then about next
week after the holiday, because we don't want to start
this before the holiday weekend, and we know people are
going to go and do other stuff. But when we
start next week with our campaign and all of our
people are participating in letting the Biden Harrison administration understand
that this is a non negotiable issue, that Greenwood and.

Speaker 30 (01:19:34):
The Tulsa Race massacre justice.

Speaker 29 (01:19:37):
Is a non negotiable issue. We have two living survivors
at one hundred and nine and one hundred and ten
years old. That's our symbols of our oppression, symbols of
our resilience, of the lack of this government protecting our
needs and protecting our wants at the highest levels. This
is a symbol that this president, it's a symbol that

(01:20:00):
this president needs to do. And it's more than symbolism.
This investigation is real. This investigation is something that needs
to happen. Has never occurred. How can you have Mother Mastapa,
How can you have the largest crime scene in US history.
Don't even talk about domestic terrorism, but this largest crime
scene in US history and has never been investigated. You're

(01:20:21):
talking about murder, You're talking about kidnapping, You're talking about rape.
You're talking about arson, You're talking about burglary, you're talking
about robbery. Come on, you're talking about defacing human bodies.
You're talking about destroying property. You're talking about over two
hundred million dollars in property damage alone.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
What about the.

Speaker 30 (01:20:39):
Legacies that was lost? What about people like doctor.

Speaker 29 (01:20:42):
Ac Jackson, who was considered the greatest doctor in the
nation at the time, who was shot with his hands up,
not one time, not two times, not three times, no
four times in the stomach and allowed to bleed out
in a concentration count. I'm not calling a concentration COUMPT
that's what they called it back in nineteen twenty one.
Can we not out to stand? How we can allowed
out to stand? When the President can do something about

(01:21:04):
it by getting his Department of Justice to open an
investigation as the law allows.

Speaker 30 (01:21:09):
Them to do. We're not asking or do anything special.

Speaker 29 (01:21:12):
We asked him to just use the law that is
available to them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
Brother I think that just needs to resonate what a
time to be alive and to have the responsibility of
taking the baton, you know, And that two week roughly
speaking period between juneteenth and white juneteenth July fourth, that
is like almost like a liminal space where we can
rethink everything about this place that we live. And I

(01:21:38):
don't believe in accidents, brothers. So here we are one
hundred and sixteenth birthday of Thirddy Marshall born nineteen oh
eight in Baltimore on July to second, nineteen oh eight,
and you are one of his living representatives in this
space for all the young people in particular, as you
kind of summarize and take us forward in terms of

(01:21:59):
what you plan to do next and even how your
work and those are your comrades, inspires for young people
who are tooling around out there, maybe in high school
or in college, not quite sure what they want to do,
and maybe thinking about law school. Is this what a
black lawyer social justice warrior looks like?

Speaker 30 (01:22:16):
Brother, I'm just at my black job.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Yes, sir, what it is?

Speaker 23 (01:22:24):
Man?

Speaker 30 (01:22:25):
And you know I'm glad you bought of Morris Woo.

Speaker 29 (01:22:29):
This is also the sixties anniversary of the nineteen sixty
four Civil Rights Act. When you're thinking about how much
of a dangerous situation we're in now, we have to
always remember we've been in much worse situations. We've been
in chattel, we've been enslave, we've been on the black
cosin Jim Crowlongs, and this is something that these people
want to.

Speaker 30 (01:22:47):
Bring us back to.

Speaker 29 (01:22:48):
So we need everybody, from our children, to our adolescents,
to our people in the middle ages, to our elderly.
We all have to get it this because I'm not
trying to go back to I'm not trying to go
to Jim Crow. My mother was born Jim Crow, my
grandmother was a sharecropper. My father integrated his high school,
my aunt.

Speaker 30 (01:23:04):
Integrated her high school. I'm not trying to go back
to that.

Speaker 29 (01:23:07):
So we all have to do what we can how
we can to fight this system. We have five or
six months to make sure that we don't have this
type of a dictatorship that has no love for us.
But if Joe President Biden doesn't do something on the
Tulsa race mascot, I fear. I fear for this country
because I fear that black people will look to the
President and say, you did not step up for us.

(01:23:29):
Our greatest need, the thing we.

Speaker 30 (01:23:31):
Want solved more than anything else, to prove that.

Speaker 29 (01:23:33):
Black lives do actually matter, not to be dealing with
some can't take class and talking about some holiday, but
actually doing something about an actual terrorist event that impacted
our entire community of the last one hundred and three years.
I fear for us as a community, as a country.
But I'm hoping that President Biden and his team will
understand that my clients are ready to meet with him,
and they're ready to make sure that we can move

(01:23:54):
this investigation forward and get some justice for Greenwood.

Speaker 30 (01:23:57):
Justice for Greenwood, Justice for Greenwood, Justice.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
For Greenwood dot org. I'll go to the website and
get that email. Ask dot CRT, ask dot CRT at
USDJ dot gov dot gov. Tell Merrick Garland to turn
Kristen Clark loose one more time, because we know she
brings the fire whenever she comes into town with those investigations.

(01:24:22):
And number three, as our brother has said, share that
information with at least three people in your network. Civil
rights attorney, a warrior attorney to Mario Solomon Simmons, founder
of Justice for Greenwood. Brother, we are always glad to
have you with us. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 30 (01:24:38):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Peace, peace, peace, indeed, and you're watching Roland Martin unfiltered
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That was my junior at Georgiatown.

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And Spike called me and he says, Malcolm, what.

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Are you doing next?

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So graduating?

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Spike is my cousin. Just what the person you're like?

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Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Sixty years ago. Today, President Lynnon Maine Johnson signed the
Civil Rights Bill of nineteen sixty four into law, making
that the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four. Civil
rights leaders like Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King, Junior, Asa
Philip Randolph, and doctor Dorothy Irene Height surrounded.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Johnson as he signed the legislation.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
The law prohibited discrimination based on race, color, sex, national origin,
or religion. It also banned discrimination in public accommodations, schools, voting,
and employment. Here is the Reverend doctor Martin Luther King Jr.
In May of nineteen sixty three, discussing the importance of

(01:27:08):
the bill's signage.

Speaker 32 (01:27:12):
What difference, doctor King, will passage or not in passage
of the Civil rights will make in all your plans
for the summer's demonstrations. I mean, will they go on
if it passes? And if it doesn't pass, Will it
make any difference?

Speaker 33 (01:27:24):
Well, I'm sure we will have demonstrations whether you get
a civil rights bill passed or not. Now, I would
say that if the bill is passed, it will increase
the hope and give the negro a new faith in
the legislative process, and I think it will be possible
to keep the demonstrations much more discipline and non violent.

(01:27:45):
On the other hand, if the bill passes, we can
see another element present, namely that it would be necessary
to enforce it. Passing the bill, it's simply one step
after it has passed, being forced, and we will have
to go into communities all over the South.

Speaker 30 (01:28:04):
To test compliance.

Speaker 33 (01:28:06):
That will be some communities that will comply, and maybe
in these communities we won't have to have large scale demonstrations.
But while you have outright resistance and a refusal to
comply with the.

Speaker 21 (01:28:18):
Civil Rights Buail.

Speaker 33 (01:28:19):
If it passes, we will have to demonstrate in order
to get the federal government to take a stand in
the area of enforcement.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
The Reverend doctor Martin the King made nineteen sixty four,
actually not nineteen sixty three, discussing the importance of the
signage of the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
It's interesting when we pause in this moment to.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Note that blood was shed, and that the federal laws
that made up that core that trio between nineteen sixty
four nineteen sixty eight were signed with the blood of
black people spilled in ways that these laws have never

(01:29:03):
lived up to the fear sacrifice of black people. Thinking,
of course, about nineteen sixty three, with the March on
Washington and then the response in many ways that march
on Washington. In nineteen sixty three, the murders of six
young people in Birmingham, Alabama. Not only did four the
little girls of sixteen Street Baptist Church, but Virgil Ware
and Johnny Robinson later that day in the streets of Birmingham,
two black boys killed by marauding white nationalists. Doctor King's

(01:29:27):
remarks there from May nineteen sixty four.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
We know, of course freedom.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Summer highlighted by the discovery of the bodies of James Cheney,
Mickey Schwerner, and Andrew Goodman, three, among so many that
have been slaughtered and thrown in many ways, as the
snick singer saying, that summer in the Mississippi River, and
then the signing of the Civil Rights Act of nineteen
sixty four, the murders and the bombings, of course, the

(01:29:54):
beatings in Bloody Selma nineteen sixty five, and then the
Voting Rights Act in the aftermath of that blood spill,
James Reeve's death, and Viola Luzo and so many others,
and then of course the murder of Martin King himself,
which sadly prompted Congress to act and pass into law
the Fair Housing Act. Teresa, thinking about this, sixty years

(01:30:16):
seems like a long time, and then again it doesn't
seem like very long at all.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Any thoughts on.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
The Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four, what it
has meant to us, what it means to you, and
how we should be thinking about that on this anniversary.

Speaker 28 (01:30:32):
I have a lot of thoughts on it.

Speaker 9 (01:30:34):
It also reminded me of something familiar which was the
movie Selma Right, and we kind of got like a
highlighted brief overview of what the Civil Rights Act actually
meant and the work that doctor King and many other
stakeholders had to do to actually get it passed. How
many times they sat inside of the Congressional Hall to

(01:30:56):
listen to a State of the Union speeches and not
be brought up. But then one day, you know, President
Johnson decided, you know, enough was.

Speaker 28 (01:31:05):
Enough, and he did it.

Speaker 9 (01:31:08):
So you know, you know, sitting here as thirty four
years of living, you know, as we think about sixty
years and we talk about it amongst ourselves, we have
to think about things that has changed their lives, our lives,
or some things that have made the same. You know,
this bill, you know, this legislation prohibited you know, discrimination

(01:31:31):
against race, color, sex, national origin, or religion. So knowing
you know that this matters and why it matters, and
the reason why we advocate so hard for so many
freedoms is, you know, it's it's a it's a great

(01:31:51):
feeling to have, but it's also something that makes us
think about what we are currently dealing with today and
age as we deal with him mindocracy, as we define
it as we you know, look at history and sometimes
of its removal, right, and we got to keep having
these conversations, you know, with each other as families.

Speaker 28 (01:32:12):
To talk about our history because it is being a race.

Speaker 9 (01:32:16):
So you know, the reflection for me and the sum
up is it's rewarding, it's refreshing. That again I can
add myself and you know those I talk to who
are not only behind the scenes using our voice, but
we're using our day to day to advocate for people.
We're you know, using our talents to support others. And

(01:32:40):
it's just inclusive to you know, some of those who
have fought the good fight and blood, sweat and tears.

Speaker 28 (01:32:49):
It's just a great feeling to have.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
Absolutely, as you sit there in Philadelphia, I'm reminded of
one of Dorothy Irene Heights Chief Loutene of course, and
the great ced Loris Tucker, and I think about the
fact that we knew, we knew that that's in our
living memory. To see those sisters in particularly and particular
who've done this work, and how much we owe them,

(01:33:14):
this debt we owe Mustafa like Teresa, like Larry, you've
worked in the halls of power, You've seen policy making
up close, the ugly work, the lobbying work, and thinking
back sixty years to the Dixiecrats who filibustered, who were
then in the Democratic Party and now are in the
Republican Party. For those who are confused about that, walk

(01:33:36):
us through how you think about the policy implications of
the Civil Rights Active of nineteen sixty four. I know
you've had a lot of those battles on Capitol Hill
and you've had them in the streets pushing Capitol Hill.
Talk to us about what the Civil Rights Active nineteen
sixty four has meant to us as a tool in
our ongoing struggle for equity and social justice.

Speaker 10 (01:33:57):
You know, it has helped us to sort of addressed
that quote that.

Speaker 11 (01:34:01):
We've often talked about, when we've often said that a
system cannot fail those that was never meant to protect.
You know, the policies that we have had to work
diligently to be able to put into place have required
the blood of our own people. And out of those
sets of actions, out of folks seeing those batons cracking

(01:34:24):
our skulls, you know, those dark Mississippi roads with individuals
back behind us, and the trauma and fear that came
out of that, but also knowing that we could just
make it to the next town, then we might be
able to live to fight another day. It is the
exact same thing that has gone on in city halls
and in county commissions and state houses and on Capitol Hill,

(01:34:46):
of bringing our stories forward, of the injustices that have
continued to happen, but also that there is the possibility
of a better day if we are able to bring
folks together and could actually change the dynamics in our
country and inside of our communities. In that fight, when
Fanny Louhamer used to say, I'm sick and tired of

(01:35:07):
being sick and tired. You know, we fought for education,
and now we see in this moment that the fight
still continues. When we most recently had the Supreme Court cases,
you know, the Harvard case and the University of North
Carolina case where they're trying to limit our ability to
be able to learn, goes right back to nineteen sixty
four and some of the things that doctor King and
others were fighting for in the Civil Rights Act because

(01:35:31):
they understood that if we could not learn, then we
might not be able to earn. It also talked about healthcare.
They were our Doctor King, if you listen to some
of his speeches, also talked about the need that existed
in that space. And now sixty plus years later, we
continue to see Republicans trying to roll back and weaken

(01:35:52):
the Affordable Care Act, knowing that it has a disproportionate
opportunity to help to protect many of our communities often
haven't been able to afford healthcare. When we look at,
you know, some of the things around criminal justice and
how doctor King and so many others were fighting diligently
to make sure that we had voting rights. And yes,

(01:36:12):
there were a number of different acts over a few
year period there that began to address.

Speaker 21 (01:36:17):
Some of this.

Speaker 11 (01:36:17):
But now we see also the rolling back of many
of the things that they and others had fought for,
making more tough for us to be in polling station
or to have polling stations, you know, drop boxes, IDs,
all these other types of things that come from our past,
and now moving forward, Republicans are utilizing to try and
weaken our opportunity to fully participate. It has been about

(01:36:42):
a dilution. So when you ask the question about Capitol Hill,
we have to pay particular attention to not just one
sweeping action, but the culative impacts and the culative effects
of their whittling away of our rights, of our power,
of our opportunities to truly address economics and be able
to address the wealth gap that still goes on in

(01:37:04):
our country.

Speaker 10 (01:37:05):
And that requires a doctor Carr a couple of things.

Speaker 11 (01:37:08):
One, it requires us being educated about the system and
then getting engaged and how we can modify that system
to actually meet some of our needs. The other part
of it is making sure that our representation shows up.
It shows up in our stories, it shows up in
our actions. It shows up not only in the impacts

(01:37:29):
that have happened, but also the wins that we have
been able to move forward on and demanding that we
have to continue to grow those out. I often say
that I'm not satisfied. I got that from an early
civil rights leader who said that when we become satisfied,
then they will continue to lower the bar. They will
lower the expectations, and they'll lower the amount of work

(01:37:50):
that needs to go into making sure that our north star,
which is justice, ever becomes a reality.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
Yes, sir, yes, sir, Thank you, Doctor Lee. Larry dot
the Walker in that same vein thinking about what Mustafa
just laid out for us there, I'm not sure that
folk necessarily paused to think about the impact of the
Civil Rights Act and some of the numbers that we become. Well,

(01:38:17):
for me, if we, of course talked earlier about Title nine,
which comes out of the Education Amendments of nineteen seventy two,
but Title seven employment discrimination, of course, the Civil Rights
Act of nineteen sixty five, Title six discrimination among other
things in higher education. As you sit there in Florida,
having again been in the federal apparatus as a staffer

(01:38:37):
and policy wonk, and then now educating young people among
your many tasks, maybe if you wouldn't mind reflecting a
little bit on the sixty years since and the white lash,
because clearly, in many ways, what this right wing movement
in this country is responding to is the Civil Rights
Act of nineteen sixty four and so much it has

(01:38:58):
come and it seems like they've taken, as Musta I
have just said, so much of the language of that
Act and flipped it literally in a one to eighty
on its head in some ways and made it exactly backward.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
There in the state of Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
They hate it seems federal intervention unless they control the
federal apparatus. Your thoughts on the Civil Rights Act of
nineteen sixty four and what has happened since it was
passed sixteen years ago.

Speaker 8 (01:39:20):
Today, You know, doctor Carr, this is a this is
an important but tough question because, first of all, I'm
thinking about you mentioned my hellwork.

Speaker 18 (01:39:28):
I'm thinking about my former boss, former.

Speaker 8 (01:39:30):
Congressman on who you know, was civil rights activists and
was a more house man also and at the time
represented the eleventh Congressional District in New York, which is.

Speaker 18 (01:39:38):
Now the ninth.

Speaker 8 (01:39:39):
But you know, doctor Carr, I think it's really important
we think about the importance of the Civil Rights Act
in nineteen sixty four. For folks are watching understand, he's
a part of the Great Society programs. We talked about,
the Voting Rights Act, the Fair Housing Act, also the
Elementary Secondary Education Act, the Higher Education Act. These were
all civil rights bills in part, like I said, the

(01:40:01):
Great Society programs which are now and will in the
future be dismantled. I think one of the keys is
it relates to what you talked about and what could
happen the repercussions for the next several months into January
of next year when we swear in whoever president is,
particularly as Donald Trump, is that I need people to
understand that civil rights The plan, based on the Heritage
Foundations Project twenty twenty five, is that they want to

(01:40:25):
you to use the Civil Rights Act and weaponize it
to Senator it within whiteness to suggest that white males
are being discriminated against. People really need to understand what's
happening here. A friend of Action has been dismantled. We've
gotten rid of Roby Wade, We've already talked about recently
today and of the last couple daks, what happened with
the Supreme Court, not just this week, but but last

(01:40:46):
week and over the last several months. But in terms
of policy issues and also the Supreme Court, we're in
for a very serious fight. And so it's going to
be marror and important, not only in terms of you know,
going out and vote. So who's going to hold onto House?
In the Senate, this ha Ken Jeffries become the first
Black Speaker of the House. Because absolutely it's going to

(01:41:06):
be really critically important to have checks and balances, you know,
particularly like I said, Donald Trump whins the White House,
because we're going to see is a continued roll back
of all these protections in place that were designed to
address redress years and years of discrimination, outward discrimination.

Speaker 18 (01:41:25):
The black folks of it had to endure.

Speaker 8 (01:41:27):
And now what I've suggested is is instead we're some
conservative right wingers. One is they want Jim Crow remix.
And we're going to have to make sure that we
stay on the front lines and our eyes are wide open,
because if we're not, we will find is that we'll
look back on this period of time in twenty twenty
four to twenty twenty five, and our and the people

(01:41:49):
to come after us will ask us, where will you
stand in what side of the history will you stand
on when the when the storm came, Because it's a
hurricane coming and if folks, like I said, are not
prepared or not inactively engaged, or not voting or not
getting other people to vote the nice pillars that doctor
King sacrifices life for, among others, we'll look back in

(01:42:12):
history and say who's responsible for not standing at the
gates to push the hurricane back?

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
Brother, Well, I mean for those who are watching, you
probably won't hear anybody else discuss the Civil Rights Act
of nineteen sixty four, and if you do, you won't
hear it discussed the way we just heard it discussed.
And so we're going to take a break and come
back with our last block. Thank you, all three of you,
and when we return, we'll continue our conversation. You're watching
Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network, will be

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Bryson, Mrror, the son of former NFL player Daniel Muir,
is missing and believed to be in danger. The fourteen
year old is from Logan's Port, Indiana. On June sixteenth,
he left his grandmother's home in Garfield Heights, Ohio that
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(01:44:44):
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police officer who shot him killed twelve year old Timeyir
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officer in White Sulfur Springs, West Virginia. That's right, He's
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had been employed by the city for quote some time
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(01:45:34):
was killed outside of recreation center on November twenty second,
twenty fourteen, after police were called for a report of
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said the boy reached toward his waistband.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
The gun turned out, as we all know, to be
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Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
A Louisiana parish swears its first black sheriff in on
on Monday, Henry Whitehorn took the oath of office. Look
at those people there as cattle.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
Parish is shit.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Whitehorn was elected to the vision on March twenty third,
defeating Republican John Nicholson in three not one, not two,
but three separate ballot countings. Following the November eighteenth, twenty
twenty three election, Nicholson contested Whitehorn's win by a one
vote margin. Whitehorn received twenty one thousand, six hundred and

(01:46:20):
twenty one votes, while Nicholson received twenty one thousand, six
hundred and twenty. Here's what Whitehorn had to say about
his plans and being the first black sheriff.

Speaker 34 (01:46:31):
And I'm gonna do everything I can to make sure
that I hold to the commitments that I've made to
make this a safe help make this a safe perish,
do something for our young people, and make sure that
integrity is at the forefront of everything that we do.
All I can say is this is just a great
day for me and my family, and I'm honored that

(01:46:53):
the citizens put that much confidence and trust in me
to elect me as their next sheriff of Cattle Parish.
You know, we can make decisions all day, but if
it's not what the citizens want and not helping them,
then they're going to feel the same way about this department.
We have got to work together, collaborate with all of
our non government organizations, our faith based organization to ensure

(01:47:16):
that we're putting good programs in place to keep our
young kids out of trouble. It's one thing to get
them before we get them in jail, and so my
goal is to work with them before they become part
of a system.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
Cattle Parish, Louisiana, Henry Whitehorn, Senior.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
There's a new sheriff in town.

Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
Rudy Giuliani can add another red little title to his
distinguished career. He can add the title of former attorney
to his many accolades. As a panel of judges in
the New York State Appeals Court disbarred him quote effective
immediately quote for his efforts to defraud the country and
put up a slight of fake pro Trump electors. The

(01:48:03):
former mayor and Trump personal attorney was initially suspended from
practicing law while the New York Court weighed disciplined proceedings
against him. In his decision, the court said that Giuliani
quote he essentially conceded in quote to most of the
facts supporting the alleged acts of misconduct. Giuliani could also
lose his law license here in Washington, d C. The
nation's capital. He also filed for bankruptcy last year after

(01:48:27):
being ordered to pay one hundred and forty eight million
in damages to two black Georgia election workers overlies he
spread about them that upended their lives with racist threats
and harassments. Well, friends, mustaford, Teresa, Larry, it's quite a

(01:48:48):
trio of stories there to begin to bring us home
on Tuesday. Any thoughts on any of those stories, Larry?

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
You first, brother.

Speaker 8 (01:48:58):
Booba Giuliani, because you know, doctor Carr, if you think
about you go back to when he was mayor and
stopping frisk and how it disproportionately impacted black and brown people.
I think people need to understand how he got from
there to then suggesting among others with others that black

(01:49:19):
and brown votes in various states, including my hometown Philadelphia,
were illegally cast. The point I'm making is when we
talk about the arc of democracy and importance of truth
and fairness and making sure all people are treated as humans,
when you start from that point where he was mayor
and they were stopping brothers and sisters all, you know, consistently,

(01:49:42):
and then like I said, you know, fake electors and
all the you know nonsense regarding where people voted illegally,
which we know we didn't. It shows you how in America,
when you ignore the concerns of minoritized communities, how it
will eventually affect everyone in this country. And now I
think this is the lesson learned with the action that

(01:50:04):
it was that took place today.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
Yes, indeed, mustafa any thoughts about any of those stories
we've seen.

Speaker 10 (01:50:11):
I mean, I can take a bite at all.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
Three of them said, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:50:15):
Let me follow my good brother there. You know, you
got to work really hard, extremely hard to get disbarred.

Speaker 11 (01:50:22):
We got about one point five million attorneys in our
country and only about five hundred individuals get disbarred every year.

Speaker 10 (01:50:29):
So that means that not only the things that.

Speaker 11 (01:50:31):
You're doing egregious, but in many instances they're also dangerous.
There's a criteria that they go through to decide if
you're going to be disbarred or not. And that means
that Rudy Giuliani work really hard and he gets exactly
what he deserves for being a Trump sickophant. So if
you want to spout lies all the time and you
want to do damage to those sisters down there, then

(01:50:51):
you got exactly what you deserve. And I can't wait
until they take a look at his DC license and
make a decision there.

Speaker 10 (01:50:58):
In relationship to.

Speaker 11 (01:51:00):
Our dear brother there in Louisiana, that shows you that
you have power unless you give it away. Because going
through three different sets of elections, if you will, to
finally be named as the sheriff.

Speaker 10 (01:51:14):
Shows our resilience.

Speaker 11 (01:51:16):
It shows our commitment to not give up, because when
we know that we're doing something that matters, then we're
willing to put the work into it. And I appreciate
what he shared and I hope that those words become
real when he talked about community being the center of policing,
because we understand that it is not just on the
side of the equation about locking folks up. It is

(01:51:37):
about doing the hard work beforehand to make sure that
folks never have to be in that situation and for
them to also know that there is compassion in the law.
In relationship to the dynamics in West Virginia, better do better,
because not only did you just have a case where
you had white individuals adopting black children and then putting

(01:52:00):
them in the modern day slavery, but you also invited
an individual to be a part of your police force
who killed an unarmed black child, not a man, but
a child. So in all those situations, we have a
responsibility as human beings to do better.

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
Yes, indeed, thank you, thank you, Mustafa take us home, Teresa,
what you're thinking about?

Speaker 9 (01:52:26):
No, I really stand with both my colleagues, you know,
on all those issues. Specifically, I did want to briefly
mention the swearing in of Whitehorn. What he's doing is
absolutely exemplary. But we had one in twenty.

Speaker 28 (01:52:46):
Nineteen, her name was cherf Rochelle Blaut here in Philadelphia.

Speaker 9 (01:52:49):
Yes, where were the mix of policing, community policing and
community activity really working in her favor? As in the
first African American woman in one hundred and eighty one
years of that office. She has really shown that, you know,
you could take law enforcement to a new level into
new heights by organizing, planning and engaging with community hands on.

(01:53:13):
So I am so excited to hear that we have
more members that are looking at Philadelphia as a model
to also bring to their cities. And it has to
be that community cooperation partnership to get things started. So
kudos to mister Whitehorn on that.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
Yes, indeed, yes, indeed, Well, I want to thank STA
for Santiago a Lei, Teresa Lundy and Larry Walker, as
always our Tuesday conversation that we've had.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
Thank you all for participating.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
I'm sitting here because Roland is on his way to
one of the cradles of humanity. Of course, we're talking
about Ethiopia and Loli Bella is where the stone churches
of ethiopr I told him, I hope you get a
chance to go by there and pay respects to some
of the oldest churches in the world. Those of our
kindred who are over in France, y'all be careful as

(01:54:06):
an election coming up in a few days and we
are looking at at elections of Chillian and Bappe, who
is the great French African French footballer, has been telling
people that they need to pay attention to what's going
on in France with this right wing Mariella Polack like
the Races, may take the majority in the French legislature

(01:54:27):
in the second round July fourth, of course, that is
when they're going to have the snap election in England
and we're probably going to see a new prime minister
over there. The rich Knack is going to lose his position.
Steve Bannon is in jail, but his movement marches on globally.
And finally, for those of you are tennis fans, we
know the Cocoa Golf Sloan Stevens, Madison Keys, and Francis
Tifo have all won a Wimbledon yesterday. So we got

(01:54:50):
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