July 15, 2024 • 33 mins
In this episode, Karol talks with Laura Rosen Cohen about a wide range of topics, including immigration, writing, cultural trends, and political concerns. Laura shares insights on the impact of demographics, the state of American culture, and the role of self-pity in personal growth. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Having a non political show while being a political person
interviewing political people was always going to be somewhat of
a challenge. But I've enjoyed avoiding the news of the day,
and I've heard from so many listeners that you guys
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appreciate the reprieve from the news. I mean, of course,
the episodes sometimes veer into the political, but in general,
the purpose has always been to get to know what
my guests think about more than just the daily political outrage.
This gets challenging in times of big news. October seventh
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was something I couldn't avoid talking about. It was taking
up so much space in my life that it felt
like a lie to not.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Mention it here.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Similarly, the attempted assassination of Donald Trump has been with
me NonStop since it happened. I'm in Singapore, visiting with
family and wrapping up a vacation, and I was here
when I woke up to the news, which was for
me Sunday morning. I keep thinking that the worst part
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really what kills me about it is that I'm not
at all surprised it happened. One of The themes of
this show is that words matter. Sometimes you have to
say things out loud for other people to understand you,
and sometimes you have to hold back saying something because
there will be consequences. It's been years of Trump is
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Hitler Part two? And how do you not take a
shot at Hitler?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Right?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It was predictable that the insane rhetoric would have repercussions.
But okay, this isn't a show about politics, so let's
take this back to our regular lives. Do you sometimes
say things for reaction in your own life? Do you
perhaps take things too far and what you say? This
ratcheting up of saying crazy things. It didn't start with
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social media, but it has definitely increased in the last decade.
Not every thought needs to be verbalized, not every tweet
needs to be sent. People dehumanize each other all the
time online and that leads to some pretty dark places.
People go viral for saying just insane things, and then
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people get paid for going viral. It's a really bad
spiral for society. I'm not immune from this, but I'm
trying to be better. A few years ago I stopped
name calling on Twitter. I love arguing sparring, and I
would frequently call people an idiot, a clown and so on.
It was less about my target and more about me.
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Why I stopped it, maybe stop interacting with you know,
idiots and clowns. And that was a huge plus. I
didn't have to tell someone they were wrong on the internet.
I could just go to sleep. Look where in difficult
days in America and this moment right now, it's frightening
to a lot of people I hear from you.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I know it's scary.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
You can't control everything, but you can control you. Make
the small changes in your life to make your life better.
Don't say crazy things. Don't listen to people who say
crazy things. Finally, keep President Trump in your thoughts and
if you pray, pray for him, you love him, you
hate him. It's just not relevant right now. A presidential
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candidate was giving a speech and someone tried to kill
him for it. Whatever else we believe, we know that's wrong.
It's not political to say so. Coming up next, an
interview with Laura rosen Cohen. Join us after the break.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Welcome back to Carol Marcowitch Show on iHeartRadio. My guest
today is Laura rosen Cohen. A Toronto based writer, uppity
jew and the in house Jewish mother of.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Mark Stein at steineonline dot com. Hi Laura, so nice
to have you.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Good morning. Nice to meet you in person so to speak.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Finally, Yes, first, our first face to face meeting.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I have to I feel like I have to start
off with trying and get you out of Canada.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
What are we doing here? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:31):
If I was going to do it all over again,
if I was younger, then I probably would want to
make a start in America. I'm one of those Canadians
who loves America. For me, America is it's more than
a country. It's really it's an ideal. It's a promise.
And it was particularly acute during the COVID years when
it was really so terrible here in Ontario in particular,
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and under the Trudeau regime in general. And my husband I,
on more than one occasion joke that we should probably
just take a flight down to Mexico and pack up
all our bags, through our kids on our shoulders and
head over Reo Grand.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Because a bad idea.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
The southern border seems to be a really good option
for people who want to get in, but for us.
We had a really hard time when we wanted to
come during COVID and escape the Trudeau tyranny. So yes, next,
next time round, although definitely doing America.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
COVID twenty twenty eight. You're here, right, they're.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Already planning something, right, so got to head.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Our bets monkey pocks.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
So I've been reading you for years? How did you
get your start writing? Especially how did you and Mark
Stein connect and you became the Jewish house mother on
the site.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Well, the writing started very early. I've always been always
been a writer, even in university, always very verbal. And
I got started publicising in legitimate outlets when I lived
in Israel for a time, and I just I happened
upon a great story, and I happened upon a great
editor who gave me a chance, and I was able
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to do my first published feature in the Jerusalem Post
quite a number of years ago. So it kind of
took off from then.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And what was the story sidebar of the story.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
The story was actually not like a fun story. It
was heavy. It was about an abused women's shelter and
how that how abuse of women kind of was something
that bridged all religions in Israel. Like it wasn't necessarily
religion specific, and an Israeli organization called Vitso was doing
shelters at that time. The details are all kind of
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fuzzy right now, but that kind of established a pattern
which I think is still helpful to this day, is
that when you want to start a career, it's really
okay to just reach out to people. Then it was
by phone, by letter, you know, by post, and then
email was just starting by But most of the editors
that I contacted after that were really very helpful and
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if I asked them what would make an interesting story,
what kind of stories are you looking for? How can
I help you? They were always very giving of their
time and really gave me good advice. And that's how
I kind of got started the story with me being
the in house Jewish mother at mark Stein. First of all,
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Mark is like a superhero. He's one of my favorite
human beings on the planet. The detailed story, it's like
kind of the most sad thing, like I would tell you,
but then I'd have to kill you. It kind of
was an evolution from noticing him in the National Post
when the National Post for a startup here and kind
of being in those circles of free speeches, and there
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were a lot of us who got together and it
kind of just took off from there. So I've been
really fortunate. And I always joke that Mark Stein has
given me the ultimate safe space for an affity Jewish
mom on the internet, because there are many safe spaces.
So I'm really I'm grateful. And he's just just a
rock star in terms of free speech and human rights,
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and I could not be more honored that I have
my safe space there. For sure.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
He's been so right about so much over the years.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Like I reference his book America Alone, you know, all
the time, and it's like twenty years old.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I want to say, so it's it's he really nailed
some things way before anybody else.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Do you know that there's that he and I are
married on the internet?
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Do you know the story? I I don't. I mean,
you would be joining a long list of what we
call the Stein Frau.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And no, no, no, no no, no, we are actually
so I mean we're not actually. But a few years ago,
I googled my maiden name. I was looking for I
had played in a pook tournament and I wanted to
know how much I want because that kind of stuff
gets recorded.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
And I played it a poker tournament.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
That's like a really used of all story too.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I would say I was a semi professional poker player,
and listeners of this program kind of know that. But
so I was looking up as a particular tournament and
how much I had won, and I came across where
my maiden name is.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It's tied to Mark Stein, and we are married and
we met.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's really funny because we met in nineteen eighty eight
while we were working at the Independent in London, and
I was like, I was eleven in nineteen eighty eight.
But it's funny because I ran into him at in
the green room at Fox like a year later and
I was like, do.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
You know that we're married? And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah,
I know.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
They use like the picture from the one time we
ever met before that as our wedding picture.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It's quite good.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
He's wild.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
So yeah, I'm a big fan. Not his wife.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
My husband doesn't love that story for some reason.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
As much as I do. But so, what kind of
stuff do you enjoy covering now? Is it?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Do you have a beat?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Well?
Speaker 5 (10:12):
In my column for Mark Stein, and at his website
at Steinalline. I usually do an Internet roundup. I kind
of have a look at what's going on percolating throughout
the Internet, throughout the world, and I put it together
in what's called Laura's Links. And there's generally a few
categories that I look at. I'm looking at kind of
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like trends and big pictures. I'm not looking to repeat
news stories that I think that everybody has seen, and
trying to find patterns and trying to find sort of
like civilizational and cultural waves and trends. That's how I
see it. And generally it breaks into like an introductory
where I'm kind of looking sort of micro and also
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macro examples from my own life sometimes of things that
happen that I think are happening to other people that
represent a bigger trend. And then the general categories are
usually North America, Europe. I have a special category for
the United Kingdom and I call it the formerly Great Britain.
I have a category for Christianity, for Israel and Jews,
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and also a big one is now what I call
like kooks, so it's like trans and woke, but I
like to call it the Wolkstapo in general, and all
the gender id stuff. So that's like a big thing
that I am looking at as well, that I think
is starting to peter out a little bit. I feel
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like there's like a little bit of resistance now to
all this crazy world gender stuff. I feel like we
might be at the beginning of the end, so maybe
I'll need a new substitute category for that. And then
I have to usually end it with a little bit
of optimism, which is like a human grace. So everybody
generally shares between themselves stories that make them very happy
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or weepy, or like you know, human human interest stories
that really touch your heart. So sometimes I try to
gather those to not leave people completely depressed about the
state of the world. And it's either human grace or
human and canine grace if there's stories about people with
their dogs and stuff like that. But generally, in terms
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of like feature writing or op ed writing, that's more
that's more political proper for me, Like, you know, what's
happening in Israel, what's happening politically Canada is less interesting
to America. America is interesting to the world. So sometimes
I like to to look at what's happening in America
as well, and those are my general beats.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
So a question that I ask all of my guests
is what do you think is our largest cultural problem?
Is it one of those kind of topics that you cover.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
I think it's the topic that I think is the
most troubling for America and for most Western countries is
the demographic and demographic slash invasion. So that is cultural
because when you import millions and millions of illegal immigrants
from various cultures that are non Western, non democratic, or
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even Sharia based countries, culture, your civilization is going to
change dramatically. So my biggest worry for America and for
most Western democracies is that the demographics are actually irreversible.
That once you bring that many people, I don't see
any politician having the beans to deport hundreds of thousands,
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even a dozen people, never mind millions. And so I
think that the fabric of the culture and the society changes,
and at this point, I just can't see how it
can be reversed. Because Western people who aren't quote unquote
native to the countries, I mean, most people come from
other places. But we're not having the number of children
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that people who are new to these countries are having
and so it's a numbers game right now, and I
don't think that it's reversible. So that's what worries me
the most, and it worries me the most really for America,
because America has always been a bastion of leadership in
the world and the promise of America and the democratic norms,
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and I feel like that's all been really subverted. And
America has been on a bit of a decline in
terms of let's say, winning wars, for example, since the
end of World War Two, So we're seeing like a
gradual decline and now at this point it's more like
decadence and decline as well. Excuse me. So I think
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that that's common to most Western democracies. For whatever reason,
our leaders have decided that our wonderful civilizations should be destroyed,
and I'm not sure how or if it's even possible
to regain that demographic and population ground.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, Well it's interesting because you sound optimistic on kind
of cultural trends reversing, like you think the Kuks thing,
maybe the pendulum is swinging on that, but you sound
obviously very pessimistic about the picture overall, is that accurate?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, I think that with the trans and the gender stuff,
it's just it's so crazy and it's so abusive that
I think that most normal people are starting to realize
that this is something that it isn't going to stop
until we put a stop to it. Right, we put
a stop to it. It's by exposing these hospital programs,
these doctors, these therapists to sunlight. And that's actually been
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happening largely because I think, well greatly due to Elon
Musk having bought Twitter and now people can actually see
that's happening video clips and expose's and people like limbs
of TikTok and stuff like that. So I guess, but
that that's just like one battle in the whole scheme
of things. So that will peter out. But there's never
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any point where the woke left the woke stoppo and
these totalitarian ideologies. It's not going to be like, Okay,
so you know, we lost trans, whatever, we're done, Like,
let's just live our lives. There's no there's no endpoint
for that. It's going to be the next thing and
the next thing. So but meanwhile, you know, Mark Sign
actually has a great line about this. He's he said, well,
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we're arguing about transgender bathrooms, we're going to the Iranians
are going to nuke us, so we're still going to
be talking about that. And it's a great line, and
it's an upsetting line, but because it's so true, so
I think it's kind of like a bait and switch,
Like we're going to be arguing about those things that
are very important and that destroy a lot of families
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on a micro level, and it's a bad export for America,
like America could and did at one point export wonderful
cultural things John Wayne Westerns, great music, and now it's
export is woke and this kind of nihilistic societal behavior,
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kids growing up without a purpose, attached to their phones
and on TikTok all day and not going out to
touch grass. Like the kids say, that's a bad export.
I mean, that's really a bad export. But the big
picture is that our societies are crumbling and because of
the numbers, that's where I don't think that we're going
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to be able to recover that ground, Like is what
is a civilization? It's a culture, but it's also literally
the ground that you walk on and it's having territory,
and it's putting up your institutions and having faith in
your institutions, and that's really being eroded. And again because
of the numbers, I can't really picture how it's going
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to be reversed like it's I think some countries I
think are further along the path. And I also think
that a measure of how to take that pulse is
you know, anybody who's a student of history, and I
call myself a history geek as well, you know what
trends are in history, and you can also follow. You
have to look at where the Jews are in a
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situation and in a country. And I always say that
anti Semitism is not just about the Jews. It's about
Western civilization. It's about Judeo Christian values absolutely and proms
of society. So if you look at countries and cultures
and civilizations where the Jews were not just tolerated but
were encouraged to flourish, what followed was educational, not revolution,
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but educational progress, economic, scientific, cultural, artistic all that flourished.
And cultures where there was NonStop pogroms and slaughter, those
cultures ended up always die history. They die because of
what they're tolerating. And you know, it's very shocking. In
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my lifetime, I never thought that I would put Canada
and America and Australia and other Commonwealth countries in that
category of on the road to decadence and tolerating antisemitism.
But that's actually where we're at right now. And I
think a lot of Jews have to and end not
just Jews again, right, non Jews have to say, like,
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if we're tolerating anti Semitism, this does not lead to
a good place for our country and our culture and
our civilization. Just if you tolerate that, it's it's going
to go downhill. Like it's not just me saying that,
it's it's obvious this is a repeat pat history.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch show.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
My two points of optimism kind of on that I.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Agree with you, things are in a really, really bad place. Well, yes,
the thing is that whenever I hear like America is
on this bad path of anti semitism, I think, first
of all, yes, it's not happening in Florida. It is
largely not happening in Florida. I wear my Jewish star everywhere.
Everybody wears like these, like you know, Jewish stars humongous
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and it's a whole thing. But I also I spent
time in rural Michigan in March, teaching at Hillsdale.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
And you know, you drive by churches and not not
even Hillsdale.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Okay, yes, Hillsdale obviously itself is very pro Jewish. I
felt very safe. I had Hebrew writing on my bag
on a college campus. It was totally fine. But just
driving around rural Michigan and you drive by churches and
they say pray for Israel. Or I was in Charleston
a few weeks ago and my taxi, my Uber driver
from the airport. This woman she didn't know I was Jewish.
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She didn't mean I was wearing something. She didn't see
my star, but she said to me something like I
pray for Israel every night. And then I was like, oh,
actually I'm Jewish, and.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
He was like, what, like, can I hug you?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
You know? I was like, you know, I was like mustard,
but but okay, But I just think that outside of
the blue centers, you.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Know, things are not bad.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
And look, I'm always on the on the lookout for it.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Anything happen flides into into bad situations. Happened pretty quickly.
So that's my one point of optimism. My second thing
and this, this one's going to be weird because I
think that Britain's in real trouble.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
But I have to say that I see these Tommy
Robinson protests as encouraging. Yes, they have decided enough is enough.
We're going to stand up for our country.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And you know, I.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Always say I I'm a one issue voter right now,
and that issue civilization.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
So it's you know.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I feel like what they're doing is they're standing up
for civilization. It's not so much about you know, they're
called pro Israel protests or.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Whatever, but they're really not.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
They're all flags and absolutely it's got very little to
do with Israel specifically. It has to do with we
will not accept this kind of la country.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Yeah, so I agree with you in terms of like,
I think the majority of Americans, just like the majority
of people in Western countries, are not anti Semitic, and
they are pro Judeo Christian civilization, i e. Civilization. Let's
be honest. But if you took your same car ride
and you drove from Hillsdale to Dearborn, you know, you
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would not have the same experience.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yes, the blue centers, right.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Yeah, but then you've got a blue center in a
blue state and that just doesn't bode well. And then
you see the kind of pandering that's been going on
by the Biden administration, you know, the kind of chaos
that has ensued in trying to pander to that state
in particular. And so again it's local and it's big picture.
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But what happens also generally is that the loudest voices
get the most attention. So even though a majority of
Americans for sure are not anti Semitic and are not
and in fact, I think in a recent pole something
like seventy or eighty percent of Americans pulled or it
may have been university students are not on board with
the Prohamas demonstrations of US campuses. But those guys are
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the loudest, and it Greeks the loudest. I mean, they
learned a lesson actually from baby boomers. You know, baby
boomers dragged public policy with them wherever they went. Health policy,
everything was a part of Boomers. Like here in Canada,
you know, about ten years ago in our socialized medical system.
Somehow hip surgery and knee replacements became the top priority
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of our socialized system, right Why well, duh, because there
was the Boomers. So there's been lessons learned from the
you know, the loudest shouting people getting their way. And
so definitely I don't see like American culture and civilization
in general as being like anti Smitic. But again, we've
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we not me personally, but our crazy leaders for some
reason have decided to import non democratic large masses of
people who don't see it the same way as as
most of us. I mean, obviously, yes, Florida is an exception,
and but even even within Florida there are going to
be I mean, I've seen various clips of certain mosques
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that have relatively oh yes, yeah, sermons, moms.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
But so what I would just say to that is,
you know, I was writing, you know, as you also
were writing about anti Semitism, you know, twenty years ago
in France, and even then my thing was not the
anti Semitism.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
There are always going to be jew.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Haters, obviously, the jew haters in Florida, of course, there are.
It's the reaction, it's how we are not going to
stand for this, you know. And that's what I see,
and not not just in Florida, in Texas and you know, Tennessee,
in red states, in places where there's conservative leadership, you
just see absolutely no, we're not going to stand for
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this here.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
We're not going to make excuses for it.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
We're not going to be like, well, you know, it's
a different culture and that's just how it is.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Like that's not the case here.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Yeah, I think what's worrying is is the federal situation,
and that of course relates not just to my own view,
is that this is Obama's third term in office via
Joe Biden, who's barely I mean barely competent, and it's
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an incredible case of elder abuse. And his wife, doctor,
doctor Jill Biden should be ashamed of herself for I mean,
is it worth I guess it's worth it. They're they're
a corrupt family, and I guess it's worth it to
them to parade this, you know, putting brained elderly guy
around for the privilege of being the first lady and
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all their disgusting business dealings. But you know, so it's
it's the it's the federal level of policy that's more
worrying individual states. And that's why I guess I'd be
one of those. If I was American, I'd be one
of those, like more power to the states kind of truly. Yeah,
for sure, federal situation is absolutely discussing Again, it's it's
it's self detonating to America. And that's what's the heartbreaking
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thing about it is it is just when you have,
you know, the Iyatola in Iran tweeting on X, posting
on X, how how wonderful the university students are when
you're on the same side as the Ayatola. When the
president of America, Okay, so you know you're not really hostages,
but have you forgotten that there's American hostages? How can
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any American sit idly by and see that their president
doesn't care about American hostages that are being held by
from us. How can you want to serve your country
when you know that you're your president inasmuch as he's
actually the president is on side with humas. That's not
good for America. It's not good for America and therefore
not good for the world.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Absolutely, you're that's you know where I think that a
lot of people are right now, and I don't you know,
a lot of times I don't even think that it's
like a left or right thing. I think that's got
into a place of just deep corruption and where it
doesn't matter what normal people think. The yes, you know,
people in charge will just do whatever they want.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Absolutely and there's no repercussion exactly. That's that's the real problem.
And how do you reverse that? And that leads into
you know, what we saw with the with the Trump convictions,
which is appalling and absolutely disgraceful. It's all related, it's
all related. So my worry for the past few years
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has just been that the blob, the big evil blob
in America, whether it's like the State Department, swamp and
all the bureaucracy and everything, they just will not allow
another Republican to get into office, even if Trump, you know,
Trump is obviously the favored candidate, and his popularity and
fundraising went up by like a gazillion million percent and
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dollars over the past week because people are sick of
this level of corruption. It's so blatant as well so disgusting.
But you know, they're going to make it so that
a Republican cannot get in again that it's going to
be even more gross. There's going to be more flooded
pipes in more voting stations, there's going to be more
counts that are not going to be accurate. I'm so
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worried about that. I mean, it would be the ultimate
fu to the entire world if Trump were to regain
the presidency. But I just can't see the blob right
now letting it happen that they've been planning for a
long time.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Well, this has been a very optimistic conversation.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I know, I know, I know, Laura Rosen Cohen, everything
is terrible.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
It's really not though, it's really not. It's okay to
joke about this stuff. And you know, you can remain
you can remain still optimistic if you're a person of faith,
if you have a family, if you have good friends,
if you have a good life, and you do what
you can. Sorry I bumping my desk, but do what
you can and not what you can't. You know, it's
definitely it's not all bad for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
So another question that I ask all of my guests
this kind of leads right into it, is you have
a really interesting perch you you have a kind of
write about whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
And I think that's, you know, one of.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
The goals of being a writer, right, getting to where
you've can cover the topics that are interesting to you.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Do you feel like you've made it totally?
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Totally, one hundred percent. I'm so lucky that I get
to vent my spleen about things that are interesting to
me and that Mark Stein tolerates me. It is amazing.
So yes, I feel really lucky and really blessed and
really honored that I'm just able to communicate with a
(30:02):
large audience, with his readers, with his fans, and I yeah,
that is that is it because you could be a
writer and it's okay to keep writing, But obviously if
nobody's reading your stuff or nobody seeing your stuff, act
just slightly less for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
I hate like when I write for places that have
a paywall. It's just it's so tough for me. I
need people to see it. I need I need, I
need to be read.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
I can't have.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
You know, it doesn't matter the paying you know, the
payment for the piece doesn't matter to me as having
the eyeballs on it.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Yeah, Like there's some things you would do for totally free.
And I'm like, of course, yes, yeah, seeing.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
My husband tries to limit how much I do for free.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
But I you know, I know, I get a lot
of requests strangely, I don't know about you too, but
like a lot of a lot of really weird like
communications like could you just could you just read my book?
Could you just read my essay? I mean I saw,
I saw your name, and I thought maybe you would
like to help me, like anyway a whole other pot.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yes, So this has been a great conversation, and I'm
actually going to feel, you know, think about some of
the things that we talked about and and try to
be optimistic. But and here with your best tip from
my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
So I'm going to go like very jewy on you, right,
jewy jewey and uh So, the there was a great
Rabbi Hasidic movement in Judaism called Raabad and the h
Bad So and in Judaism there's a concept that there's
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the good inclination and the bad inclination and Hebrew it's
yet and yet harah. So basically, the good and the
bad inclination are always fighting one another. So you're always
trying to overcome the bad inclination, which could be whispering
for you to do things that are not as good
for your soul, and the good inflation inclination is trying
to overcome that. And so the Lebo butcher Rabbi said
(32:06):
that self pity is the ultimate victory of the evil inclination.
So I think that that is incredibly wise, and because
so much can be done when a person feels very
bitter and upset or feels that they're entitled to more
and feel sorry for themselves. And when when you feel
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that self pity, you can feel like lashing out, You
feel angry at other people around you, You feel like
life owes you more, everybody owes you more, and really
you should just be much more introspective and be grateful
for what you have. So self pity is the ultimate
victory of the evil inclination. And I hope that that
might speak to some of your listeners.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Love that limit your self pity. I'm gonna I'm going
to work on that.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Also, Thank you so much for coming on, Rosen Cohen.
Check our out ats dine online, dot com and many
other places.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Twitter, Twitter, what's your Twitter handle.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Twitter is my name at Laura Rosen Cohen and Twitter
is my crack. I love fame, I am atic, so
that's where I'm usually playing on the internet. So that's
the best place.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Thank you so much, Laura, Thank you, take care.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Thanks for listening to the Carol Marco which show. Subscribe
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Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Having a non political show while being a political person
interviewing political people was always going to be somewhat of
a challenge. But I've enjoyed avoiding the news of the day,
and I've heard from so many listeners that you guys
(00:26):
appreciate the reprieve from the news. I mean, of course,
the episodes sometimes veer into the political, but in general,
the purpose has always been to get to know what
my guests think about more than just the daily political outrage.
This gets challenging in times of big news. October seventh
(00:49):
was something I couldn't avoid talking about. It was taking
up so much space in my life that it felt
like a lie to not.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Mention it here.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Similarly, the attempted assassination of Donald Trump has been with
me NonStop since it happened. I'm in Singapore, visiting with
family and wrapping up a vacation, and I was here
when I woke up to the news, which was for
me Sunday morning. I keep thinking that the worst part
(01:19):
really what kills me about it is that I'm not
at all surprised it happened. One of The themes of
this show is that words matter. Sometimes you have to
say things out loud for other people to understand you,
and sometimes you have to hold back saying something because
there will be consequences. It's been years of Trump is
(01:42):
Hitler Part two? And how do you not take a
shot at Hitler?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Right?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It was predictable that the insane rhetoric would have repercussions.
But okay, this isn't a show about politics, so let's
take this back to our regular lives. Do you sometimes
say things for reaction in your own life? Do you
perhaps take things too far and what you say? This
ratcheting up of saying crazy things. It didn't start with
(02:11):
social media, but it has definitely increased in the last decade.
Not every thought needs to be verbalized, not every tweet
needs to be sent. People dehumanize each other all the
time online and that leads to some pretty dark places.
People go viral for saying just insane things, and then
(02:32):
people get paid for going viral. It's a really bad
spiral for society. I'm not immune from this, but I'm
trying to be better. A few years ago I stopped
name calling on Twitter. I love arguing sparring, and I
would frequently call people an idiot, a clown and so on.
It was less about my target and more about me.
(02:56):
Why I stopped it, maybe stop interacting with you know,
idiots and clowns. And that was a huge plus. I
didn't have to tell someone they were wrong on the internet.
I could just go to sleep. Look where in difficult
days in America and this moment right now, it's frightening
to a lot of people I hear from you.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I know it's scary.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
You can't control everything, but you can control you. Make
the small changes in your life to make your life better.
Don't say crazy things. Don't listen to people who say
crazy things. Finally, keep President Trump in your thoughts and
if you pray, pray for him, you love him, you
hate him. It's just not relevant right now. A presidential
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candidate was giving a speech and someone tried to kill
him for it. Whatever else we believe, we know that's wrong.
It's not political to say so. Coming up next, an
interview with Laura rosen Cohen. Join us after the break.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Welcome back to Carol Marcowitch Show on iHeartRadio. My guest
today is Laura rosen Cohen. A Toronto based writer, uppity
jew and the in house Jewish mother of.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Mark Stein at steineonline dot com. Hi Laura, so nice
to have you.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Good morning. Nice to meet you in person so to speak.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Finally, Yes, first, our first face to face meeting.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I have to I feel like I have to start
off with trying and get you out of Canada.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
What are we doing here? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:31):
If I was going to do it all over again,
if I was younger, then I probably would want to
make a start in America. I'm one of those Canadians
who loves America. For me, America is it's more than
a country. It's really it's an ideal. It's a promise.
And it was particularly acute during the COVID years when
it was really so terrible here in Ontario in particular,
(04:55):
and under the Trudeau regime in general. And my husband I,
on more than one occasion joke that we should probably
just take a flight down to Mexico and pack up
all our bags, through our kids on our shoulders and
head over Reo Grand.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Because a bad idea.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
The southern border seems to be a really good option
for people who want to get in, but for us.
We had a really hard time when we wanted to
come during COVID and escape the Trudeau tyranny. So yes, next,
next time round, although definitely doing America.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
COVID twenty twenty eight. You're here, right, they're.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Already planning something, right, so got to head.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Our bets monkey pocks.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
So I've been reading you for years? How did you
get your start writing? Especially how did you and Mark
Stein connect and you became the Jewish house mother on
the site.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Well, the writing started very early. I've always been always
been a writer, even in university, always very verbal. And
I got started publicising in legitimate outlets when I lived
in Israel for a time, and I just I happened
upon a great story, and I happened upon a great
editor who gave me a chance, and I was able
(06:12):
to do my first published feature in the Jerusalem Post
quite a number of years ago. So it kind of
took off from then.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And what was the story sidebar of the story.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
The story was actually not like a fun story. It
was heavy. It was about an abused women's shelter and
how that how abuse of women kind of was something
that bridged all religions in Israel. Like it wasn't necessarily
religion specific, and an Israeli organization called Vitso was doing
shelters at that time. The details are all kind of
(06:44):
fuzzy right now, but that kind of established a pattern
which I think is still helpful to this day, is
that when you want to start a career, it's really
okay to just reach out to people. Then it was
by phone, by letter, you know, by post, and then
email was just starting by But most of the editors
that I contacted after that were really very helpful and
(07:05):
if I asked them what would make an interesting story,
what kind of stories are you looking for? How can
I help you? They were always very giving of their
time and really gave me good advice. And that's how
I kind of got started the story with me being
the in house Jewish mother at mark Stein. First of all,
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Mark is like a superhero. He's one of my favorite
human beings on the planet. The detailed story, it's like
kind of the most sad thing, like I would tell you,
but then I'd have to kill you. It kind of
was an evolution from noticing him in the National Post
when the National Post for a startup here and kind
of being in those circles of free speeches, and there
(07:49):
were a lot of us who got together and it
kind of just took off from there. So I've been
really fortunate. And I always joke that Mark Stein has
given me the ultimate safe space for an affity Jewish
mom on the internet, because there are many safe spaces.
So I'm really I'm grateful. And he's just just a
rock star in terms of free speech and human rights,
(08:12):
and I could not be more honored that I have
my safe space there. For sure.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
He's been so right about so much over the years.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Like I reference his book America Alone, you know, all
the time, and it's like twenty years old.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I want to say, so it's it's he really nailed
some things way before anybody else.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Do you know that there's that he and I are
married on the internet?
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Do you know the story? I I don't. I mean,
you would be joining a long list of what we
call the Stein Frau.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And no, no, no, no no, no, we are actually
so I mean we're not actually. But a few years ago,
I googled my maiden name. I was looking for I
had played in a pook tournament and I wanted to
know how much I want because that kind of stuff
gets recorded.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
And I played it a poker tournament.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
That's like a really used of all story too.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I would say I was a semi professional poker player,
and listeners of this program kind of know that. But
so I was looking up as a particular tournament and
how much I had won, and I came across where
my maiden name is.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It's tied to Mark Stein, and we are married and
we met.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's really funny because we met in nineteen eighty eight
while we were working at the Independent in London, and
I was like, I was eleven in nineteen eighty eight.
But it's funny because I ran into him at in
the green room at Fox like a year later and
I was like, do.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
You know that we're married? And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah,
I know.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
They use like the picture from the one time we
ever met before that as our wedding picture.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It's quite good.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
He's wild.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
So yeah, I'm a big fan. Not his wife.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
My husband doesn't love that story for some reason.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
As much as I do. But so, what kind of
stuff do you enjoy covering now? Is it?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Do you have a beat?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Well?
Speaker 5 (10:12):
In my column for Mark Stein, and at his website
at Steinalline. I usually do an Internet roundup. I kind
of have a look at what's going on percolating throughout
the Internet, throughout the world, and I put it together
in what's called Laura's Links. And there's generally a few
categories that I look at. I'm looking at kind of
(10:33):
like trends and big pictures. I'm not looking to repeat
news stories that I think that everybody has seen, and
trying to find patterns and trying to find sort of
like civilizational and cultural waves and trends. That's how I
see it. And generally it breaks into like an introductory
where I'm kind of looking sort of micro and also
(10:56):
macro examples from my own life sometimes of things that
happen that I think are happening to other people that
represent a bigger trend. And then the general categories are
usually North America, Europe. I have a special category for
the United Kingdom and I call it the formerly Great Britain.
I have a category for Christianity, for Israel and Jews,
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and also a big one is now what I call
like kooks, so it's like trans and woke, but I
like to call it the Wolkstapo in general, and all
the gender id stuff. So that's like a big thing
that I am looking at as well, that I think
is starting to peter out a little bit. I feel
(11:42):
like there's like a little bit of resistance now to
all this crazy world gender stuff. I feel like we
might be at the beginning of the end, so maybe
I'll need a new substitute category for that. And then
I have to usually end it with a little bit
of optimism, which is like a human grace. So everybody
generally shares between themselves stories that make them very happy
(12:04):
or weepy, or like you know, human human interest stories
that really touch your heart. So sometimes I try to
gather those to not leave people completely depressed about the
state of the world. And it's either human grace or
human and canine grace if there's stories about people with
their dogs and stuff like that. But generally, in terms
(12:24):
of like feature writing or op ed writing, that's more
that's more political proper for me, Like, you know, what's
happening in Israel, what's happening politically Canada is less interesting
to America. America is interesting to the world. So sometimes
I like to to look at what's happening in America
as well, and those are my general beats.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
So a question that I ask all of my guests
is what do you think is our largest cultural problem?
Is it one of those kind of topics that you cover.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
I think it's the topic that I think is the
most troubling for America and for most Western countries is
the demographic and demographic slash invasion. So that is cultural
because when you import millions and millions of illegal immigrants
from various cultures that are non Western, non democratic, or
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even Sharia based countries, culture, your civilization is going to
change dramatically. So my biggest worry for America and for
most Western democracies is that the demographics are actually irreversible.
That once you bring that many people, I don't see
any politician having the beans to deport hundreds of thousands,
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even a dozen people, never mind millions. And so I
think that the fabric of the culture and the society changes,
and at this point, I just can't see how it
can be reversed. Because Western people who aren't quote unquote
native to the countries, I mean, most people come from
other places. But we're not having the number of children
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that people who are new to these countries are having
and so it's a numbers game right now, and I
don't think that it's reversible. So that's what worries me
the most, and it worries me the most really for America,
because America has always been a bastion of leadership in
the world and the promise of America and the democratic norms,
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and I feel like that's all been really subverted. And
America has been on a bit of a decline in
terms of let's say, winning wars, for example, since the
end of World War Two, So we're seeing like a
gradual decline and now at this point it's more like
decadence and decline as well. Excuse me. So I think
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that that's common to most Western democracies. For whatever reason,
our leaders have decided that our wonderful civilizations should be destroyed,
and I'm not sure how or if it's even possible
to regain that demographic and population ground.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, Well it's interesting because you sound optimistic on kind
of cultural trends reversing, like you think the Kuks thing,
maybe the pendulum is swinging on that, but you sound
obviously very pessimistic about the picture overall, is that accurate?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, I think that with the trans and the gender stuff,
it's just it's so crazy and it's so abusive that
I think that most normal people are starting to realize
that this is something that it isn't going to stop
until we put a stop to it. Right, we put
a stop to it. It's by exposing these hospital programs,
these doctors, these therapists to sunlight. And that's actually been
(15:51):
happening largely because I think, well greatly due to Elon
Musk having bought Twitter and now people can actually see
that's happening video clips and expose's and people like limbs
of TikTok and stuff like that. So I guess, but
that that's just like one battle in the whole scheme
of things. So that will peter out. But there's never
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any point where the woke left the woke stoppo and
these totalitarian ideologies. It's not going to be like, Okay,
so you know, we lost trans, whatever, we're done, Like,
let's just live our lives. There's no there's no endpoint
for that. It's going to be the next thing and
the next thing. So but meanwhile, you know, Mark Sign
actually has a great line about this. He's he said, well,
(16:35):
we're arguing about transgender bathrooms, we're going to the Iranians
are going to nuke us, so we're still going to
be talking about that. And it's a great line, and
it's an upsetting line, but because it's so true, so
I think it's kind of like a bait and switch,
Like we're going to be arguing about those things that
are very important and that destroy a lot of families
(16:57):
on a micro level, and it's a bad export for America,
like America could and did at one point export wonderful
cultural things John Wayne Westerns, great music, and now it's
export is woke and this kind of nihilistic societal behavior,
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kids growing up without a purpose, attached to their phones
and on TikTok all day and not going out to
touch grass. Like the kids say, that's a bad export.
I mean, that's really a bad export. But the big
picture is that our societies are crumbling and because of
the numbers, that's where I don't think that we're going
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to be able to recover that ground, Like is what
is a civilization? It's a culture, but it's also literally
the ground that you walk on and it's having territory,
and it's putting up your institutions and having faith in
your institutions, and that's really being eroded. And again because
of the numbers, I can't really picture how it's going
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to be reversed like it's I think some countries I
think are further along the path. And I also think
that a measure of how to take that pulse is
you know, anybody who's a student of history, and I
call myself a history geek as well, you know what
trends are in history, and you can also follow. You
have to look at where the Jews are in a
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situation and in a country. And I always say that
anti Semitism is not just about the Jews. It's about
Western civilization. It's about Judeo Christian values absolutely and proms
of society. So if you look at countries and cultures
and civilizations where the Jews were not just tolerated but
were encouraged to flourish, what followed was educational, not revolution,
(18:52):
but educational progress, economic, scientific, cultural, artistic all that flourished.
And cultures where there was NonStop pogroms and slaughter, those
cultures ended up always die history. They die because of
what they're tolerating. And you know, it's very shocking. In
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my lifetime, I never thought that I would put Canada
and America and Australia and other Commonwealth countries in that
category of on the road to decadence and tolerating antisemitism.
But that's actually where we're at right now. And I
think a lot of Jews have to and end not
just Jews again, right, non Jews have to say, like,
(19:35):
if we're tolerating anti Semitism, this does not lead to
a good place for our country and our culture and
our civilization. Just if you tolerate that, it's it's going
to go downhill. Like it's not just me saying that,
it's it's obvious this is a repeat pat history.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch show.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
My two points of optimism kind of on that I.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Agree with you, things are in a really, really bad place. Well, yes,
the thing is that whenever I hear like America is
on this bad path of anti semitism, I think, first
of all, yes, it's not happening in Florida. It is
largely not happening in Florida. I wear my Jewish star everywhere.
Everybody wears like these, like you know, Jewish stars humongous
(20:21):
and it's a whole thing. But I also I spent
time in rural Michigan in March, teaching at Hillsdale.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
And you know, you drive by churches and not not
even Hillsdale.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Okay, yes, Hillsdale obviously itself is very pro Jewish. I
felt very safe. I had Hebrew writing on my bag
on a college campus. It was totally fine. But just
driving around rural Michigan and you drive by churches and
they say pray for Israel. Or I was in Charleston
a few weeks ago and my taxi, my Uber driver
from the airport. This woman she didn't know I was Jewish.
(20:51):
She didn't mean I was wearing something. She didn't see
my star, but she said to me something like I
pray for Israel every night. And then I was like, oh,
actually I'm Jewish, and.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
He was like, what, like, can I hug you?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
You know? I was like, you know, I was like mustard,
but but okay, But I just think that outside of
the blue centers, you.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Know, things are not bad.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
And look, I'm always on the on the lookout for it.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Anything happen flides into into bad situations. Happened pretty quickly.
So that's my one point of optimism. My second thing
and this, this one's going to be weird because I
think that Britain's in real trouble.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
But I have to say that I see these Tommy
Robinson protests as encouraging. Yes, they have decided enough is enough.
We're going to stand up for our country.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And you know, I.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Always say I I'm a one issue voter right now,
and that issue civilization.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
So it's you know.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I feel like what they're doing is they're standing up
for civilization. It's not so much about you know, they're
called pro Israel protests or.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Whatever, but they're really not.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
They're all flags and absolutely it's got very little to
do with Israel specifically. It has to do with we
will not accept this kind of la country.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Yeah, so I agree with you in terms of like,
I think the majority of Americans, just like the majority
of people in Western countries, are not anti Semitic, and
they are pro Judeo Christian civilization, i e. Civilization. Let's
be honest. But if you took your same car ride
and you drove from Hillsdale to Dearborn, you know, you
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would not have the same experience.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yes, the blue centers, right.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Yeah, but then you've got a blue center in a
blue state and that just doesn't bode well. And then
you see the kind of pandering that's been going on
by the Biden administration, you know, the kind of chaos
that has ensued in trying to pander to that state
in particular. And so again it's local and it's big picture.
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But what happens also generally is that the loudest voices
get the most attention. So even though a majority of
Americans for sure are not anti Semitic and are not
and in fact, I think in a recent pole something
like seventy or eighty percent of Americans pulled or it
may have been university students are not on board with
the Prohamas demonstrations of US campuses. But those guys are
(23:26):
the loudest, and it Greeks the loudest. I mean, they
learned a lesson actually from baby boomers. You know, baby
boomers dragged public policy with them wherever they went. Health policy,
everything was a part of Boomers. Like here in Canada,
you know, about ten years ago in our socialized medical system.
Somehow hip surgery and knee replacements became the top priority
(23:48):
of our socialized system, right Why well, duh, because there
was the Boomers. So there's been lessons learned from the
you know, the loudest shouting people getting their way. And
so definitely I don't see like American culture and civilization
in general as being like anti Smitic. But again, we've
(24:10):
we not me personally, but our crazy leaders for some
reason have decided to import non democratic large masses of
people who don't see it the same way as as
most of us. I mean, obviously, yes, Florida is an exception,
and but even even within Florida there are going to
be I mean, I've seen various clips of certain mosques
(24:34):
that have relatively oh yes, yeah, sermons, moms.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
But so what I would just say to that is,
you know, I was writing, you know, as you also
were writing about anti Semitism, you know, twenty years ago
in France, and even then my thing was not the
anti Semitism.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
There are always going to be jew.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Haters, obviously, the jew haters in Florida, of course, there are.
It's the reaction, it's how we are not going to
stand for this, you know. And that's what I see,
and not not just in Florida, in Texas and you know, Tennessee,
in red states, in places where there's conservative leadership, you
just see absolutely no, we're not going to stand for
(25:14):
this here.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
We're not going to make excuses for it.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
We're not going to be like, well, you know, it's
a different culture and that's just how it is.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Like that's not the case here.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Yeah, I think what's worrying is is the federal situation,
and that of course relates not just to my own view,
is that this is Obama's third term in office via
Joe Biden, who's barely I mean barely competent, and it's
(25:42):
an incredible case of elder abuse. And his wife, doctor,
doctor Jill Biden should be ashamed of herself for I mean,
is it worth I guess it's worth it. They're they're
a corrupt family, and I guess it's worth it to
them to parade this, you know, putting brained elderly guy
around for the privilege of being the first lady and
(26:04):
all their disgusting business dealings. But you know, so it's
it's the it's the federal level of policy that's more
worrying individual states. And that's why I guess I'd be
one of those. If I was American, I'd be one
of those, like more power to the states kind of truly. Yeah,
for sure, federal situation is absolutely discussing Again, it's it's
it's self detonating to America. And that's what's the heartbreaking
(26:27):
thing about it is it is just when you have,
you know, the Iyatola in Iran tweeting on X, posting
on X, how how wonderful the university students are when
you're on the same side as the Ayatola. When the
president of America, Okay, so you know you're not really hostages,
but have you forgotten that there's American hostages? How can
(26:49):
any American sit idly by and see that their president
doesn't care about American hostages that are being held by
from us. How can you want to serve your country
when you know that you're your president inasmuch as he's
actually the president is on side with humas. That's not
good for America. It's not good for America and therefore
not good for the world.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Absolutely, you're that's you know where I think that a
lot of people are right now, and I don't you know,
a lot of times I don't even think that it's
like a left or right thing. I think that's got
into a place of just deep corruption and where it
doesn't matter what normal people think. The yes, you know,
people in charge will just do whatever they want.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Absolutely and there's no repercussion exactly. That's that's the real problem.
And how do you reverse that? And that leads into
you know, what we saw with the with the Trump convictions,
which is appalling and absolutely disgraceful. It's all related, it's
all related. So my worry for the past few years
(27:53):
has just been that the blob, the big evil blob
in America, whether it's like the State Department, swamp and
all the bureaucracy and everything, they just will not allow
another Republican to get into office, even if Trump, you know,
Trump is obviously the favored candidate, and his popularity and
fundraising went up by like a gazillion million percent and
(28:14):
dollars over the past week because people are sick of
this level of corruption. It's so blatant as well so disgusting.
But you know, they're going to make it so that
a Republican cannot get in again that it's going to
be even more gross. There's going to be more flooded
pipes in more voting stations, there's going to be more
counts that are not going to be accurate. I'm so
(28:36):
worried about that. I mean, it would be the ultimate
fu to the entire world if Trump were to regain
the presidency. But I just can't see the blob right
now letting it happen that they've been planning for a
long time.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Well, this has been a very optimistic conversation.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I know, I know, I know, Laura Rosen Cohen, everything
is terrible.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
It's really not though, it's really not. It's okay to
joke about this stuff. And you know, you can remain
you can remain still optimistic if you're a person of faith,
if you have a family, if you have good friends,
if you have a good life, and you do what
you can. Sorry I bumping my desk, but do what
you can and not what you can't. You know, it's
definitely it's not all bad for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
So another question that I ask all of my guests
this kind of leads right into it, is you have
a really interesting perch you you have a kind of
write about whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
And I think that's, you know, one of.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
The goals of being a writer, right, getting to where
you've can cover the topics that are interesting to you.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Do you feel like you've made it totally?
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Totally, one hundred percent. I'm so lucky that I get
to vent my spleen about things that are interesting to
me and that Mark Stein tolerates me. It is amazing.
So yes, I feel really lucky and really blessed and
really honored that I'm just able to communicate with a
(30:02):
large audience, with his readers, with his fans, and I yeah,
that is that is it because you could be a
writer and it's okay to keep writing, But obviously if
nobody's reading your stuff or nobody seeing your stuff, act
just slightly less for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
I hate like when I write for places that have
a paywall. It's just it's so tough for me. I
need people to see it. I need I need, I
need to be read.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
I can't have.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
You know, it doesn't matter the paying you know, the
payment for the piece doesn't matter to me as having
the eyeballs on it.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Yeah, Like there's some things you would do for totally free.
And I'm like, of course, yes, yeah, seeing.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
My husband tries to limit how much I do for free.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
But I you know, I know, I get a lot
of requests strangely, I don't know about you too, but
like a lot of a lot of really weird like
communications like could you just could you just read my book?
Could you just read my essay? I mean I saw,
I saw your name, and I thought maybe you would
like to help me, like anyway a whole other pot.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yes, So this has been a great conversation, and I'm
actually going to feel, you know, think about some of
the things that we talked about and and try to
be optimistic. But and here with your best tip from
my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
So I'm going to go like very jewy on you, right,
jewy jewey and uh So, the there was a great
Rabbi Hasidic movement in Judaism called Raabad and the h
Bad So and in Judaism there's a concept that there's
(31:44):
the good inclination and the bad inclination and Hebrew it's
yet and yet harah. So basically, the good and the
bad inclination are always fighting one another. So you're always
trying to overcome the bad inclination, which could be whispering
for you to do things that are not as good
for your soul, and the good inflation inclination is trying
to overcome that. And so the Lebo butcher Rabbi said
(32:06):
that self pity is the ultimate victory of the evil inclination.
So I think that that is incredibly wise, and because
so much can be done when a person feels very
bitter and upset or feels that they're entitled to more
and feel sorry for themselves. And when when you feel
(32:27):
that self pity, you can feel like lashing out, You
feel angry at other people around you, You feel like
life owes you more, everybody owes you more, and really
you should just be much more introspective and be grateful
for what you have. So self pity is the ultimate
victory of the evil inclination. And I hope that that
might speak to some of your listeners.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Love that limit your self pity. I'm gonna I'm going
to work on that.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Also, Thank you so much for coming on, Rosen Cohen.
Check our out ats dine online, dot com and many
other places.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Twitter, Twitter, what's your Twitter handle.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Twitter is my name at Laura Rosen Cohen and Twitter
is my crack. I love fame, I am atic, so
that's where I'm usually playing on the internet. So that's
the best place.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Thank you so much, Laura, Thank you, take care.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
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