April 11, 2024 • 58 mins
Today we dive into a Spring Ball focused Q&A episode! Why are guys still out at the bars during spring ball so much? How does a player missing time for injury during SB make that up? What's the funniest thing we ever saw during spring practice period? Is the Paulsen Spring Crawfish boil still happening? How does a new coach, like Lester, earn the respect of his new players? Are there any Spring Ball traditions? Why is Iowa's spring game structured different than other schools? and a lot more..
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You guys asked, we answered,It's a springball Q and a episode of
The Wash Up walk Ons, thebest Iowa podcast in the entire Iowa podcasting
world. Kevin and I sit downtalk about how does the coach earn respect
of his new players, what aresome of the traditions of spring ball,
how do guys who are missing timeto injury make that up? And why
are guys at the bars so muchduring spring? All this and more,
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Let's have a day. Let's go. I got a buddy good place fortnite.
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One have you said he's acted tonight? He's acted. Welcome in to
the Washing Up walk Ons podcast.Here again for an other episode. Best
as you know, this best Iowapodcast in the in the entire ecosystem by
what metric? Just very measurable,clear statistics that are that you can search.
Anybody could search it. Really yeah, just search Grant look it up.
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Uh. This could be exposing.Welcome in, Happy to have you
here. This episode is going tobe a fun, quick little Q and
A might not go for an hour, maybe go for an hour. Who
knows. Gonna start with something thatI forgot to mention the other day about
this whole Caitlin Clark thing at thispoint when you're when you are listening,
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I was either lost in the Finalfour or championship game or they are national
champions, and I really hope it'sthe latter. This is going to come
out the Thursday after that game isplayed. Ice Cube offered Kitlin Clark five
million dollars. Did you see this, keV? No, you're unaware of
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this. I'm unaware of ice Cubeoffer. Ice Cube. Baby, we're
talking about the ice Cube. We'retalking about that ice Cube. Okay,
So Grant, I know you knowwhat this is or you saw this and
I'm not totally Maybe Grant you canyou can fill me in a little bit.
So they have this league that theycreated called the Big Three Basketball League.
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Yeah, it's a three on threeleague and it runs for if I
would have believe, it's ten gamesduring the summer, ten games over a
few week, Yeah, you know, a few weeks during the summer.
So this is not like a Idon't think there's like, I mean,
there would obviously be contracts if Caitlynwas to play in something like this,
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but I don't think it's like ayearly thing like where you sign and you're
like on a two year deal orthree. I think it's a yearly thing
that you participate in. I believeit's a I mean, obviously Kaitlyn Clark's
being offered, but I believe it'slike a it's it's co ed, h
I would assume, So if she'sbeing offered twin yes, I don't know
if I saw when I when Ifirst saw this come out, like a
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year whenever this happened, that theyalready had a couple women playing in it.
But they offered ice Cube evidently asone of the founders investors. Let's
say, and I think I thinkhe's the commissioner, Okay, so it's
his league, and they offered Caitlinfive million dollars Kevin to come and play
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ten games. I think it's tengames if you win the championship over the
course of like a month in thesummer, and that would obviously not interfere
with WNBA season. It would directlyinterfere with WBA season. Well, she's
gonna get she's finishing college here ina month and a half, correct,
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right, and then she'll get draftedand then WNBA season starts. Win it's
I think it's like actually WWA seasonsummer starts like quite soon. The WNBA
draft is on April fifteenth and thetraining camps twenty eight. It is two
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weeks from Monday. That was twodays ago. I don't know why I
thought the WNBA and NBA were onlike the same schedule. They are not,
okay, probably for I mean,they already struggle to draw some hype
and views and coverage of that.I would imagine they don't want to compete
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with the with the NBA on that. Also, there's never a woman has
never played in the Big Three,Okay, so Caitlin will be the first
there and they're going to offer herfive MS. Dude, the roy anytime
you can put the number five millionout there, you at least have to
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consider it, right, absolutely,dude, I don't know how many games
she would I mean, we couldprobably search the schedule right now, Grant
if you could maybe do a littleresearch on that on when the Big Three
games happen and how many w NBAgames for the Fever would happen. Because
the Fever are drafting her, andthey've put out numerous amounts of content on
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social media hinting at that. Sohere's My question is the WNBA draft,
correct, are you locked into acertain contract like you are in the NFL
based off four you're drafted as relativeto like like like NFL, like the
first overall pick, like you allthe way through whatever, number one,
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whatever, the last one. Right, you pretty much are locked into a
like you're getting a four year deal, fifth year option, but you're making
craft each year. I would guessthat they're not negotiating in the NFL,
right, Yeah, out of yourdraft contract is not negotiable, right,
which is why everybody talks about thatsecond contract, because that's the one where
you if you're not a top tenpick, that's where you get paid,
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right. So I would imagine theyhave something like that in place. I
doubt it's four years. I betit's something more like two years. Maybe
Grant could find that as well afterhe looked at the conflicting schedules. But
say say it is something like that, and you have no leverage over what
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type of salary you can command,put it off for a year. I
don't know. She's gonna be somewherebetween eight and ten games. They all
they play almost every single weekend,either Friday through Sunday, Okay, so
that's significant. I might be Imight be as Caitlin, I might be
in touch with the UH with theFever personnel and be like, yo,
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I got this offer. It's legitimate, and it's more money that I'm ever
going to make even and if Iplay twenty years in the WNBA, that
may not be true. I thinkI think like a really good w NBA
player makes like two hundred or twofifty or maybe three hundred, maybe more
than that. I could be couldbe totally flopping. All let's look it
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up. What's the largest w NBAkind urgest WNBA contract was a two year
extension for two hundred and fifty thousand. Okay, so let's assume that Caitlyn
resets the market after her Kevin's overthere, Like Jesus, that's it.
She could four x the record andstill be making twenty percent of what this
league is offering her for one month, for a month of work. For
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a month of work, keV,I think you have to do it.
I think you have to, oryou at at minimum you have to ask
the Fever, hey, is itokay? If I miss eight games?
Like, is that alright? BecuzI'm gonna guess they're not gonna love that.
What if, okay, how aboutthis, What if Caitlyn says,
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I'll give you guys a million ofthe five for the for the you know,
for the organization, if you letme go make the other four,
you know, for the lost revenuethat you're gonna get from people not coming
and seeing those eight to ten games. Like there's you got at least weigh
your options here. You've got totalk things out, because five million dollars,
keV, What would you do forfive million dollars right now? Because
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the list I'm telling you for meis very long. It's a long list.
It's so long, in fact,there's not many things that aren't on
it. His minder on it?Which would you kill someone for five mil?
If I knew I could get awaywith it? I'm thinking about it.
M Yeah, especially if I candetermine who it is, because because
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now I can go after someone whodeserves it, right, like find me
the worst pedo, like horrible personon earth? Can I get away with
murdering that guy five million? Sure, I'll go be I'll go mercenary that
dude. Yeah, allegedly, Imean maybe potentially. I would never maybe
do it, but you know,legal getting back on track here. I
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don't know how you don't consider Imean, if it's a real offer,
it's a real offer because ice Cubetalked about it already. How is he
planning on making money on this deal? I I mean it's he's trying to
bring all of the eyes he seesher as that valuable in eyeballs. Basically,
is there any other names on thisteam this league? Or is it
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just a bunch of like guys whojust weren't quite good enough for the NBA.
And you know, it's a goodquestion. I think it's a lot
of retired guys. Like I thinkit's I think it's like Isaiah Thomas,
and they got some of the HarlemGlobetrotters in there, and Isaiah like like
sixteen year old is Thomas from likethe Boston Celtics. I think he's he's
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playing in the I don't know whathe was playing a game in, like
the the Pentagon the other day.It's guys like mac mccle long, you
know, get him in the Bigthree for this for a summer. You
know, Kevin doesn't know who thatis. It's interesting. I I mean,
the only reason you wouldn't do itjust is because of like the Optics,
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right, just looks weird like itYeah, no, it's it's it's
very clearly like this is for money. But who but and I know Kate
is an Olympic year, right,Is the w n B a like pausing
for the Olympics? That is?The other thing is is there is the
Olympics this this summer and I don'tknow when those are. Those might be
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late summer, maybe after the wNBA season. It's always in August.
Okay, so it's probably after theirseason then, uh, grant see if
you could type in w NBA Championshipgame, see if they got a date
on that. It looks like there'susually the gap on the schedule. There
is a big gap. And NHLwill put a gap in their schedule for
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the Winter Olympics because like all thoseguys go play. Yeah, the so
the the finals is in October,but there's like a two week gap at
least in the middle of the schedulein the beginning of August. Like some
leagues will do that, some won't, Like I know, when baseball got
back into the Olympics, MLB saidlike no, no, you guys are
gonna come here. You're gonna stayhere in America and play baseball where you're
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supposed to. I would argue theMLB is more important than the baseball and
the Olympics. But yeah, soit's so it does look like they probably
cut and you know that that's youknow, the American squad goes over,
they went, they win a Worldchampionship. To come back, she is
going to have, nonetheless, avery very busy summer. And I actually
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saw David Iicle tweet this today,something along the lines of, no matter
what IWOA does in this final four, if they advanced to the championship or
not, YadA YadA, I feelfor Caitlin. It's a picture by the
way that he tweets this and quotesit on Today was a media day,
I think, well, no,today, she just won the Naysmith Player
of the Year for the second yearin a row. Lisa Bluter also one
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of the four finalists for Coach ofthe Year, and she did not deserve.
Yeah, I'm both well deserved andso Caitlin's got you know, forty
forty reporters or more right, She'sjust it looks like it's the red carpet,
and it's seemingly more and more thatthis is every day, Like she
has to deal with this shit everyday. She is a celebrity, welcome
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to being great in America. It'sit's I don't know if you could ever
get it out of her a ona podcast or in an interview for her
to be like to really go intolike how crappy it is some parts of
it. But there is a priceto pay for being famous. It is
not all flowers. I imagine thatanxiety of always having to be turned on,
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like like I have to be onfor this interview, I have to
be on for this game, Ihave to be on for this event.
That it's got to be absolutely exhausting. Yeah, I'm sure it becomes pretty
second nature at one point too,you know a little bit. But I
bet Lebron and you know, TomCruise and everybody else who's in a list
celebrity still some days is like,dude, I love those are your one
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too, Lebron and Tom Cruise.Baby, to give me mission impossible with
Lebron in it, and I'm inuh, anybody name them, you know,
I don't know. There's got tobe days where they sit in their
massive mansions, on their private properties, behind their gated communities, and they're
still like, I'd just like toget away. I just like, I
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would love to not have to dealwith this part of it sometime. But
you take the good with the bad, and the good is pretty good.
You're well off, You're completely financiallysecure. You there is a lot of
cool arts to fame and people knowingwho you are and singing your praises.
Uh. It's just I was honestlyworried that it would get to Caitlin before
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this point. I thought, youknow, I thought you might, it
might affect this tournament run. Obviouslyit hasn't interesting offer though, five million
dollars, I mean, Kevin,I would I would for for a month
worth of time. I would flyto uh remote Russia and play whatever sport
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you wanted me to against circus animalsfor five million dollars. I mean,
like, what, what tell meI'm picking the sport of boxing for you?
Yeah, all box, all boxgorillas in the remote tundra for five
million dollars. I'm serious. Uh, probably not gorillas, because I nothing
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that could kill me. I needto be able to use the five million
a half forwards. But I mean, like that is so much money,
and it says right here, onecan see ice cubes offer as a publicity
stunt, an attempt to increase interestin the Big Three. Yeah, it's
very possible. It's not real,Like you know, there's like you just
leaked that out there and be like, yeah, yeah, you know this
is we want to do this knowingthat it's never going to come to fruition,
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and you know you just got allthis pulled uplicity about people talking now
by shit, we've been talking aboutfor the last ten minutes. I know,
I just it's it's one heck ofa story if it's if it ever
came to fruition. But so it'snot even the biggest offer Kaitlyn got though,
she got the ten million from DavePortnode to come play on the Barstool
Wreck Team. Did she really isthat serious? Well, like I think
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Dave just like quote tweeted the iceice Cube and he was like, I'll
just dunk on you ten million tocome play. It's come play pick up
with the Barstool Team. I knowthat's probably a joke, but god,
that's so much do they play againstlike probably like insurance salesmen each other.
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They just literally play like a pickupgame. It's just a bunch of Marshall
employees. He's just being funny,but it's a joke that's unreal. Uh.
Somebody, some account on Twitter today, some like sports merchandise account or
sports memorabilia account, sent me aDM and was like, Hey, Tyler,
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in the event that the Iowa womenwin the national championship over this weekend,
here's a It was like a pictureof a you know, one of
those like basketballs that has the whiteit's like half white where you can sign
and or like put print pictures.And it was like a pre printed Iowa
Women's basketball twenty twenty four National championscommemorative ball. He's like, we'll be
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selling this commemorative ball. Would youlike to help us promote the Iowa National
champions And I was like, uh, sure, give me more details.
It's like just just the weirdest stuff. Anyway, we're in the uh we're
in the middle of springball. Hopefullythe Iowa women are national champions as as
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we're listening to this, and youguys are just giddy because we win our
first I don't whin's the last timein Iowa sport has won a national championship
years ago. It was yeah,and it almost it' almost should have been
back to back. Fuck you COVID, that's true. You don't you know
what fucking it is. Back toback we won. Yeah, you're right,
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we were twenty twenty champions well basketballclimb in that tournament as well.
Yes's right, that's right. Thatinteresting they were. They were gonna be
pretty good that year, right,like they were pretty I'm gonna give us
a seventh seed. Yeah, searchuh search their record twenty nineteen, twenty
twenty heading into that tournament. SokeV what I've done. I know you
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don't probably frequent the discord, andthere's been some drama in the discord.
Actually there's you know, there wassome I haven't been in there in a
hot minute. It's been a longtime. It slows down dramatically in the
offseason when football is not This isa football centric podcast, so it slows
down in there. Some conversations dohappen amongst the different threads that we have
in there. We have multiple sports, we have movies. I mean,
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it's like a it's a shmortgish sportof topics that you can There's a food
channel, there's a diet and exercisechannel, movie channel, betting channel.
But I went in there tonight ortoday earlier, and I got some people.
I've only ever asked one person.He's he's kind of it's Hawkeye lore
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at this point. I believe itwas two years ago, maybe even three
years ago, at this point whereHawkeye dude, because you shit all over
now Kinnick, I came out andsaid that Nile Kinnick was not one of
my top five best football players atIOWA of all time. And I had
my reasoning for that and made itvery clear that Nile Kinnick at the time
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may have been passed at this pointby Caitlin Clark. I don't know there's
a discussion there, but at thetime, Nile Kinnick was still, in
my opinion, the greatest Hawkey ofall time. Different criteria, just not
one of the best five football playersthat we've had come through the program.
I don't think, quite honestly,anybody before World War Two could be considered
one of the best football players.You can't even have the discussion. You're
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comparing two different things. Humans havecome so far in almost one hundred years,
and the modern day humans just winthat unfairly. It just is what
it is. Anyway, Yeah,Hawkeye dude was the only one because after
I pissed him off with that,he could not let it go. Four
months, every single post he hadin there, he unprovoked would bring up
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how I disrespect Nile Kinnick or Iyou know, all this stuff, and
people were just like, dude,we get it, like ha ha,
it was funny first, and nowyou're just being annoying, and he just
kept going. So I just completelydeleted him from the server, just axed
his whole account. It felt goodtoo, And he to this day,
by the way, probably still listensto the show, because he'll probably tweet
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about this. He still will respondto people who mentioned Nile Kinnick. He
will bring me up randomly and say, well, it's funny Klover doesn't think
he was a top five football player. So clearly we know how good that
podcast is. Just randomly, eighteenmonths after the fact, it's one of
the funniest things that's ever happened onour show. I went into the discord,
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I asked in the questions channel,which, to be quite honest,
even tho ogs rarely give good questions. It always turns into some ridiculous stuff
that we can't ever say on theshow. But tonight we got a couple
of good ones, and I puthim down. I'm gonna have Grant through
some of them with us. Theyare focused around springball as we are in
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the middle of springball right now,Kevin's favorite time of year, second favorite
time of the year. Oh uh, and so Kevin and I will answer
some of these questions. Uh,maybe they'll be relevant, maybe they won't.
Grant you want to hit us withthe first question? Back up,
what was the drama you said?You you said there was some drama going
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on with what the discord? No, just that recently there's been a bunch
of Cheetoh finger opinions in there thathave driven people away. That's pretty much
it. It's a good customer retention. Well, I mean, I can
either be real or I can justyou know, I can pander. Hey,
shitting on our fans is a longfavored walk on tradition here, one
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that gets questioned a lot online bypeople who like to give their opinions of
our show. It's just like that'swhat you get around here. I'm not
going to pander to anybody. Idon't care if you bet you know I
don't. I don't care. I'mgonna tell you what I think. It's
just like if you're going to bea person who in the first quarter of
a game is like this, thisis over, We're done, We're screwed.
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It's like, hey, Bud,let's let the first ten minutes run
out quick, you know, justsee where this thing goes. Anyway,
Grant, what do we have forquestions? Yeah, so you mentioned shitting'
on Vans tradition. Well, thediscord is a good transition because the discord
wanted to know what kinds of springball traditions are there? Is there anything
like getting freshmen into this wing?Is there a big if anything of the
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team does to start at the spring? What kind of traditions are involved in
spring ball? The end of springthat's the tradition. Uh, yeah,
I don't know if it's I don'tknow if they do. We started our
senior year is after the spring game? Do a little crawfish boil? Was
that started our senior year? Thatour senior year is the first one.
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I felt like it was started beforethat, But maybe not. I mean
other people through parties and stuff.But we were the first one to do
a crawfish. But I don't knowif it's gone still gone since the Paulsins
have left, but I doubt it. You know, we went for at
least to know it too two threeyears after that. But yeah, you
know everyone goes out after the springgame. Is there a I'm trying to
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take of it? Yeah, Imean there's no like specific. I don't
think there's anything in the program otherthan the one thing that comes to mind
is like your first season, yourfirst in season. And I don't know
if they still do this or not. The freshman always got prowlers on Fridays.
That was you remember that, likethe it was after the the maybe
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when you're in season, after camp. Yes, oh shit, you're right
that we didn't get it. Idon't think maybe we did. I think
we did. Oh well, thefreshmen that didn't play, you know,
they're deep on the depth chart.They're brand new to the program. They've
been there maybe just a couple ofweeks or maybe they started in the summer.
We do our little fast Friday,you know, like a little I
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think it was like twenty five twentyeight minutes on the clock or something like
that, and then we'd go andshower, you'd get ready. A lot
of times we'd be off on thebus to go to the airport and leaving
the freshmen who are not on thetravel roster would uh as we went into
shower and get ready, they getthe old browlers out, they get to
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push some heavy sleds around. Now, that was during the season. Spring
ball wise, there's nothing really inspringball that comes to mind. I don't
think there was any like traditional thingsor like things we did every year that
was specific to springball. I reallydon't. Other than outside of the team,
there was always like or outside ofthe football activity. Well, they
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asked about like maybe like a specificconditioning thing. It was like, you
know this is always coming or conditioningand no conditioning in spring wall. Yeah,
we didn't condition although and the practiceis the conditioning basically, Yeah,
you're doing a lot of running.I mean they if there's anything that's a
tradition about springball is how long thosepractices are. Yeah, it's just the
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tradition of it fucking sucks because thepractices two plus hours. That that is
an Iowa fucking tradition right there isjust embracing the suck of springball. I
mean some of those practices, soI think we've talked about it before,
but the managers would run around becausethey're kind of they're whipping equipment around.
They got to have things here herehere for each period. All the coaches
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have won the the gas everybody basically, but the players has a script for
the day and uh at the verybottom of that script there was a number
and it was the total minutes ofscheduled practice. Now, how often did
we go over that often? Especiallyon those Saturdays and springball? Yeah,
you got nothing else. And forspring ball, I think some of those
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scripts were like one eight, onefifty three. I think I saw one.
Dyeah, they they got long.I mean you're up over two and
a half hours of scripted and thenyou might be ten or fifteen minutes past
on a bad day, so it'slike a three hour practice. Man,
it was brutal, brutal for mein a different way. It's like Jesus,
we are here forever and I'm juststanding here in football pads and it's
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completely unnecessary for me. Bored asshit, just so bored, and as
a kicker, long snamper punter,especially for the kickers and punters, like
if you kick too many balls,especially after you've already done two practices that
week, say it's a Saturday practice, your hip flexer is going to explode.
So it's just like you got tobe real careful, especially the young
guys. But on Kevin's side ofthings, I mean it was yeah,
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it was complete dogshit. They're justrunning around. It's a it's a track
meet for two and a half hoursessentially, I mean, yeah, you
know, you start with a puntperiod where you're just doing full covering out
the gate. You know, fortyyard sprints, come back, let the
twos go, boom go again,forty yard sprint. You do that for
about five minutes. Then you goto tackling circuit and then pursuit drill,
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which is just running again. Yeah, and then you go into uh individual
for eight minutes, which is youknow, pretty intense. You know,
you're just flying through drills. Yeah, nine on seven, which is not
fun. Blocks on you know,go hurt your head a little bit,
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uh, you know, and thenyou go back to individual. Then you
do some seven on seven, thenperiod, start little team period and don't
forget a little up tempo. Yep, yeah, you got two minutes in
there, yeah, a little andthen uh oh, can't forget special teams
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compete, which yeah, there's aperiod at the end of practice, another
special teams period. You're doing twospecial teams periods every every spring ball practice,
plus a field goal period on someday, so sometimes it's three,
which is oftentimes you know, maybethis is a little Springboll tradition. I
think it was almost always we didcover Joe during the spring ball. We
mix it up more often they're incamp, but I think we did it
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once the spring ball we did combat, which is which is how we That's
how we got James Morris on theshow, because they had James Morris on
the show because we said it's alsohow I think more than one of our
teammates got can cussed. Because you'repracticing kickoff return. Yeah, frontline kickoff
return and obviously the opposite being thekickoff in a situation where you wouldn't be
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able to avoid the blocker, sobasically you got to go through them.
You have to. So you're asthe return man, you are standing there
and you are trying to block theguy who has a fifteen yard running head
start in a about three yard widewindow. Yeah, maybe four. Yeah,
So there's cones. They put conesout and you're not allowed to go
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outside the cones. And as theas the defender, your job is to
block that. You're not. Itis set up. It's it's a crash
drill, it's a car crash.Like I said earlier, you just have
to embrace the suck. This isone thing you just have to say,
this is gonna fucking hurt. Didyou know I did that drill one time?
I did combat. Oh yeah,how'd you like it? B sides
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are just one side. I didboth sides, and I I was not
good enough with my feet as ayoung freshman to actually make it hurt as
bad as it could have. AndI know you know how that works.
Oh and it also depends who you'regoing against. That's also true. Like
I remember, man, I thinkI wouldn't get some money Jones one time,
and that dude that's that was actuallyI mean, you can you can
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go pull up the film that dudedismantled double teams back in the day.
He was uh, he was.He was honestly fun to watch on kickoff,
But yeah, hurt. It hurt. That was irresponsible for you to
even get in the drill with him, to be honest, But there's not
really, it's it's one of thosethings where you're like, it's you know,
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you're full gladiator mode. You're notgonna be like h in front of
other your other fifty buddies like Idon't I don't want the money. Somebody
else jump in there, Hey isthere any is there any freshman back there?
Is there anybody here like another rep? No, I did it.
Gosh, it was against somebody whodidn't make it but was in our class,
and I just can't remember. Iwent against Pete one time too,
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and I think I was the guytrying to get around him and he locked
me up pretty good, and thatwas it was just and I was not
trying to bring a semi intent likeyou know, I'm not. I was
not trying to get a large collision. So I probably made that easier on
Pete than it was supposed to be. But he was probably like, oh,
thank god I got Oh for sure, yeah, one hundred percent.
That's what everybody thought when they wereacross from me and a drill. It's
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not necessarily who the big guys is, the guys who can move pretty quickly.
Yeah, get going as fast asthey can in fifteen yards. Yeah.
It's a a drill that I wouldn'teven have high schoolers do because it
wouldn't be worth it, and itarguably shouldn't be done at the college level
because then you start to get likeit's danger Yeah, because high school is
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you're gonna get like two kids thatlike drop their head and oh yeah a
freaking crown of the helmet versus crownof the helmet somebody breaks their neck.
You also have dumbasses in high schoolwho are going to take the intent of
the drill as like, oh,we're trying to create the biggest collision,
right. Yeah, it just itjust wouldn't work out. Those are fun
springball memories. I know the Paulsonswere mentioned there, Grant, and I
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know that one of those other questionswas can you read it off what Yeah,
so to fall upon the crawfish bullyou mentioned a listener want to know
if the crawfish bull can come backas they walk on event with the Pulsons.
Oh, I think it's worth sendingthe text to the old boys.
I think we probably could get thatdone. Uh, I don't. There's
just no way in at least inmy mind that I think you present an
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idea of a crawfish boil to Landingand Levi Paulson, and they're like,
we don't really want to be apart of it. It's not for us
anymore. Like no, I thinkthey'd yeah, I don't know. Should
we should reach out to Tammy barand see if we can get three thirty
nine three seven driveway? Should werent the driveway for the day? Oh,
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it got to that'd be funny.The people would be like the people
inside Whilch. We'd have to tellhim, like, you got to you
gotta be gone for twenty four hours. If those are still football houses,
they were as far as the yearthat Riley Moss was in the door was
in the house for the first time, so I know he lived there out
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of the dorms for a year.Shooter I think lived there the entire time,
so at at least at least sincea couple of years ago. I
think Worf's lived in the back fora while. I mean it's that the
worst has been gone for a fewyears now. Those two places have seen
probably two or three dozen football playersat this point. It's nothing like the
Miller House though. I think thathouse has been a football house for twenty
years now. My brother lived inMiller, did he now for a semester
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or or some amount of time.So yeah, that's how that's how established
that house is. It's a lotnow. I remember I went there on
my official visit. We did,we did, Yeah, yeah, we
visited Miller. That's the first timeI ever saw George Kittle, I think.
But yeah, we could probably wecould probably reach out to the Paulsons
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and try and make that happen.Uh So, another question was why does
Iowa not do a real spring gamelike other schools? And then I'm going
to add another question onto that iswhat does i Why is Iowa spring game
different? Like what are they doingdifferently? Oh yeah, so I think
that's I guess the question be like, what do you mean a real spring
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game? Like nobody plays like anactual game? Are you sure about that?
To my knowledge, yeah, Ithink some people line it up as
like, hey, here's how likeI think they split the roster like fifty
five guys, fifty five guys.They have a full offensive defense, and
they play against each other. Dothey really? I think they do.
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I've never heard of that, andI think that's what he's getting at.
Like I think in Nebraska does Ithink they'll do it. They'll do like
red versus White squad, and they'llhave an offense and a defense for both
sides. Iowa generally just does offenseversus defense, and then they figure out
a way for defense to score pointsin that scrimmage. And I don't know,
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because we want our ones practicing againstour ones, correct And I think
that's probably why we do it theway we do it is because if you
split it, and I don't knowhow they would do that, maybe they
would just mesh, you know.I guess you could give like one team
the one offense and the two defenseand vice versa for the other team.
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Or either that, or you likeliterally intersplice, like you know, your
your tackle guard your tackle and youdon't want to do that. You want
your your starters playing with who they'regoing to play with. Dude, I
think some teams do it. That'sweird. Yeah, it's weird. I
would say it. You only getfifteen practices, you want to make the
most of each and every one.So that's why we do it the way
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we do it. Yeah, Iechoing what Kevin said. I think it's
the most efficient and you get themost out of it. It's the most
intentional. When the ones are goingagainst the ones, and and and for
the twos and the threes, whenthey're going against the twos and threes,
someone of similar uh an outfit ofsimilar skill and development to them on the
other side of the ball, thathelps them as well. And obviously spring
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build is a huge developmental period.And you know, I saw Dallas Clark
on a on a clip. Hemust have been back last week or something,
and he dude, he's everywhere.And I know for a fact he's
going to be at the final fourbecause he hasn't. He was at the
championship game in Minneapolis. It's likehe lives. He lives a great life.
He deserves it. He lives agreat life. But he was talking
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about, hey, you get youget fifteen practices. It is not a
lot, and you have to comeout and it's one of those things you
can't waste one. Yeah, asa young guy, you have to adopt
that mentality of like there's real intentionthat we have to come out every day
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with and you know, when youwalk off the field, if like you
left, if you left some somemeat on the bone there, and you're
like, wow, I really justI wasted a practice or I wasted a
period. Today it's very apparent andevident, especially when the film gets turned
on and uh so you learn quicklylike, okay, that's not our goal.
And that spring day, that fifteenthpractice is one of those days you're
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still trying. Yeah, the fansget to come and it's you know,
there's autographs and who uh but youknow Iowa and it's part of it's part
of that culture, that developmental programthat they see that as a workday.
Some other programs they may see thatas a Yeah. I mean you try
to put as many game like situationsand scrimmage as you Yeah, it's good
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to like pretend that you're in thosesituations, simulate those situations. But at
the end of the day, it'slike, we got to practice and we
got to get better. It's notfor the fans. We're working, We're
we're we're focused on getting better asa team. Right This one applies well
to Iowa right now. How doesone accept and respect a new coach who
presumably is bringing in new plays andconcepts. It's not a great question for
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me since there was little to noturnover on the defensive side of the ball
my entire tenure. There not agreat question for me either. Although I
did go through having Coach White tothen having Coach Wallace and then Coach Woods
who were already on staff, theywere just taking on new responsibilities. I
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would say, I would say mostguys at IOWA, specifically, with the
trust that KF builds from the top, aren't going to question a guy's football
knowledge or his ability to be acoach on the field. I think most
of that trust and respect comes offthe field, and that is built just
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like it's built in a company,you know, around the cubicles or the
office or you know whatever your companylooks like, like conversations learning past who
just a guy is like he justshowing that you care about the guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, youknow it's not You're not just a number
on a on a paper with alast name. It's hey, let's have
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the you know, as as anoffensive coordinator, Let's have the offensive line
out this day to my house andlet's get to know them. A little
bit better and then let's have thereceiver group out and then let you know,
it's stuff like that, having funwith the guys in between meetings,
in the in the at meals,sitting down with them, stuff like that,
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little little things that other coaches somemore than others, do better than
others. Like they're like we we'veI mean, we've shipped on coach quite
a lot on this on this show. And I don't mean to beat a
dead horse, but he was kindof the prime example of it. Is
like he was very much so justa coach, Like he was just there
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to get his do his job,whether that was good or not. He
wasn't a guy who was gonna sitdown and have a meal with you and
spend extra time like he was ona time card man. When he punch,
when he punched out, he wasout. He was punching in and
out more than the other coaches were. And that doesn't mean he wasn't nice
sometimes or wasn't a good dude sometimes. A lot of the time, I
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will say this, he didn't.It didn't help that he knew absolutely nothing
about snapping, kicking, and punting, uh, specifically those intricacies of those
positions. He did know a decentamount about special teams, like putting together
a kickoff teams, stuff like that, but obviously he had to But uh,
but then you flipped to guys likeWallace and Woods, who we've talked
about at nauseum on this show.And I don't think we have to rehash
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out why we love those guys,why those two guys are our front runners
to lead the program when KF stepsdown, it's it's it's personal personability,
like can you be personable? Canyou can you connect? Be authentic?
Yeah, some guys are just better. So you know, Lester, I
hope he's one of those guys.In his in his initial conference, uh
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press conference, it seemed like hehe was as a as a former player,
you can kind of get a feelfor a guy how he talks about
the game and how he talks aboutyou know, it's team, and it'll
be very evident if he's not.I'll say that, okay. Uh.
And then we had a fun question. He was just what's the funniest thing
you ever saw during springball? Funniestthing I ever saw? I don't know
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if it was in Camper and springball, but it's got to be the Spartan
punch. That Spartan punch. Yeah, dude. Uh, long ball to
a receiver on the defensive sideline duringa team period. Receiver catches. It
was it Reese who did this.It might have been Gear, I don't
know, it was one of them. Uh. Receiver gets up talking shit
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as he does, like, youknow, he's now in the midst of
all of you guys who are onthe sideline. You know, you know
what you can picture this gup heyyeah, you know start John Sure and
in your teammates. So it's fun. It's not like it's not like there's
actual animosity. It's like fun likeyou're giving you you know, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. There'sthat competition, real real competitiveness that is
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coming out, and you're like,you know, so for that play,
the receiver gets a one up onthe defense, so he's going to give
it to the entire defensive side,you know, the one corner gets beat,
the entire defense gets beat kind ofthing. And the defense isn't gonna
let him just talk. They're goingto talk back, you know. And
then so there's another receiver that wasprobably on a route ten yards away.
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He comes over to also talk shit, and it starts going back and forth
and it gets into one of thoselike you know, you grab a guy
by the by the neck pad andyou're you're like locked up. So now
there's a convergence on the uh onthe defensive side, you know, the
more of the defenders that are outof the game start to come over,
they're like, Oh, I'm gonnaget in on this people. I don't
know what it is about these guys. You guys just love to fight.
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I don't. I don't know whatit was. It's fun, yeah,
I guess, And it's because youhave armor on, so it's almost like
you can shove and you can hit, and it's like it's already what we're
doing. Anyway, the offensive sidestarts to run across the and the offense
who is starting or who is inthe in the game at that point,
they start to run over to thesideline. And I know you probably don't
remember this keV simply because it happensa lot like there's there's just a lot
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of times when it's a I wouldn'tcall it a brawl. It's more of
a congregation and then a sec kindof like you when you sometimes see teams
like after warm ups in a game, like kind of like, you know,
get a little chippy with each otherdon age before a game out of
nowhere, and I'm pretty sure itwas Reese. He's got his helmet off.
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He comes in with his helmet inhis hand like a Miles Garrett type
situation, runs up, jumps upin the air because he's just kind of
a shorter guy and has his helmetup in the air and brings it down
like he's got an energy sword inold school Halo, like into somebody's shoulder
pad, like into their back.And I saw it from across the field
and I was like, oh mygod, this is gonna this is gonna
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happen. And it actually didn't turninto as much as I was hoping for.
But that is the funniest thing becauseI just I would always watch the
fights from Afar and I saw thishappen and I was like, that looked
like he was on fifty percent gravityon Halo three. Were we in Kinnick
that day? No, this wasin the indoor. In the indoor,
Okay, I've got no rock recollection. Yeah, I don't, I don't
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know. I don't like I don'tknow if I was hurt and on the
biker it was one of the funnierthings. It looked like something out of
a video game. And I guessthe fights for the Specialists were all aways.
Funny because she just sit back andyou're like, God, these assholes?
What a would be hilarious if ifthere's a fight going on between the
offense and defense and for some reasonthe specialist decided joined in and side,
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probably wouldn't end up well for thespecialist. But I will tell you back
when Casey and Mike were the seniorsin our first year, we did used
to eye up the other special teams, uh squad that would come to Kinnick
or that we go it like,okay, they've got their five or six
guys, We've got our five orsix guys. If the Specialists were sent
to center field in midfield and itwas just a who wins out of this?
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Like it's an all out fight andthe winner is the winner of this
game is whoever Specialists walk away?Are we winning today? And we've back
when it was me Marshall Korn,Casey, Mike and Alden, we felt
pretty good about our odds against mostother special teams units. I feel like
those odds went down as we yeah, yeah once once it was you know
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you mcguil keith. It was agreat lineup Colton speed whack. We just
you guys would have gotten clowned byjust about every other union. But again,
a lot of special teams units looklike that too. That's true.
And so you know that freshman year, I think we go undefeated, but
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you know, I don't know.Kalusi in there just throwing haymakers, Dylan
kid, yeah, Galusy tripped andthen luckily true and got yeah because of
his poor footwork, which was becauseof my poor snap. We got a
targeting penalty which really helped us out. That can really helped us out,
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got us to extend the drive,and I think one of their best players
got ejected. Yeah. It isone thing that comes to me is I
think it was our sophomore year,are going into ours. I think it
was going into twenty fifteen, soserving our second spring ball and we have
a bunch of injuries at the safetyposition, and so Jake gavask It's thrown
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in there all excited, man,and we're in we're in red zone period
right now, and uh, theplay happens. They score a touchdown on
this play. Fast forward two days, we're watching the film and the whole
you know, we're we're in ouroffensive and defensive you know, they split
the room. We're in the defensivemeeting and we've got the whole defense in
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there, and Coach Parker throws upa couple of plays about what we got
to improve on. He pulls upthis play, lets it play for about
three seconds. How many fucking guyswe're playing with this in this play right
now? Anybody? Now? Howmany players are we supposed to play with?
Is eleven? How many are onthe field right now? Ten puts
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the remote down, just goes andstares at Jake. He wouldn't sucker you
doing. He backpedaled out of theend zone, he went and staring him
down in the meeting room. Ohgod, he was so scared. Oh
god. And you knew he hadthat teed up man, Oh absolutely,
absolutely, Like you know, Jake'slike fucking embarrassed, pissed off, and
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just like oh because I think likehe had just got thrown in because I
think we we were down a fewguys, and he's just like all excited
and ready to go back to astraight out of God, that's good,
and you know it was it waskind of quiet in the room, but
everyone's just fucking dying under their breath. Oh God, that's that's incredible.
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Yeah, so that that's gonna takethe cake from me. Okay. Uh
So another question was seems a lotof the older guys are spots locked down
or to some degree with injury,and question, uh sending out some practices.
How much of an impact does thishave on the reps and practice?
Does the answer change it all withbrand new OSI? Yeah so this m
there are a lot of guys whosit out. Kevin and I have talked
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about how we missed a third ofspring ball because of class our senior year.
Yeah. So on once you're inyour senior year and especially been a
starter for a handful of years,you know, spring ball is not as
important as it once was. Youknow, it's still important to practice and
get better and get your reps obviously, but uh, you know, coaches
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aren't going to be upset if youngerguys have taken more reps. Risk reward
of doing as many one live repsis it declines over your career to where
right and you know guys, youknow, you only have so much tread
on the tires, right, andso you try to try to keep them
healthy as best you can, whichis crazy to think about when you,
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like you think about the guys inthe NFL who are like reach thirty,
It's like, dude, how havethey had that much tread on their tires?
I mean NFL practices. Well,and that's that's part of it.
That's that's why. Right, youget to the NFL and there's like there's
like eight full contact practices over thecourse of a calendar year, and you
also now have the resources to dolike ice baths and norm attack everybody two
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to three hours a day on recovery. Right. Yeah, so that's that's
honestly the answer. But it's stillkind of crazy at the with the stuff
that they do. But yeah,Kevin's right, it's well, what was
there about. I was like,my senior year, I'm second string behind
Ben, right, Yeah, Iknow the playbook back in my hand,
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don't really need a whole lot ofreps to to get better there, and
you know, I'm a senior notreally going to start. I was basically
on partial retirement. That entire partialretirement that entire spring ball. Like Clure
said, we had a class onthe Thursday practice, so we missed.
I think we would get back forlike the team period and uh, you
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know, I think I took likeusually one one set of team period res
yeah, eight plays, and thenwe do special teams competing. Yeah.
Yeah, I would literally if wedidn't do field goal that day, I
would basically they would warm you andme up on the side for like a
quick five minutes. We do somehigh knees and whatever, and some atlas
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lunch and I might literally just runin do the special team's competril and then
they'd call it up and I'd belike, God, this is so stupid.
Yeah, And it's funny because itkind of coincides with the reason that
Kevin and I like generally, youknow, when scheduling your courses, like
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this is when springball is, it'sin the morning, you need to schedule
your classes at at least probably noon. Eleven o'clock class is going to push
it sometimes, but you can probablyschedule eleven. Kevin and I had a
I think it was at nine o'clockclass biomechanics, and it was because we
were older and in the in thewe ran out of those general electives.
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Yeah, this was a mandatory classfor our major. It was the only
time we could take it. Wecould have postponed it to the fall,
but there was no fucking way wewere doing that. Game week practices are
a little bit more important than springballpractices your senior year. Not only that,
but like, uh, you're alsoas like in that ninth semester if
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you're doing the whole red shirt thefirst year, graduating four and a half
years kind of thing, Like you'retrying to make that fall as cakey as
you can. Yeah, we tooktwo classes. Yeah, so and it
was great. It was great,honestly. So Yeah, like some of
those younger guys, like I willsay, for the guys who get hurt,
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it is it's tough man like theyare trying their best to to get
them good reps. It becomes alot of mental reps, a ton of
mental reps for the guys who areactually on offense and defense and have stuff
to learn. It's hard to makethose up, it really is. If
you're if you're hurt during springball oryou're hurt during bull prep. Another huge
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cultivation period for the younger guys,the younger classes twos and threes. It
is really tough to make those up. And you've heard that a lot in
the stories of guys that we've broughton who who their careers didn't pan out
as much. You just heard itwith Garrett. Garrett got mono and fucking
pneumonia and like he was set.I think he was septic at one point.
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I'm kidding, but he with theway he described that he was losing
weight, his body was shutting down. That was all during bull prep,
which was a huge period of timewhere a guy like Garrett who was fighting
for reps. Yeah, they're lookingto set the spring roster. Yeah,
bol game, and that's kind ofhey, who's progressing, who's looking good
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out there? If you go backin time and you look at the big
time recruits that I would get orany program, and you track if they
washed out, if they never reallypanned out, and then you could go
in and get the inside data onhow was their bullprep, how was their
first spring ball, were they hurtfor their Bowl preps springall or Yeah.
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You know, you would see avery clear correlation with something not going perfect
or ideal during those periods of time, or sometimes it's just they don't take
advantage or they just don't pan outtalent wise. But a lot of the
times it's they're hurt or they missed, or they were struggling academically during this
period, so their focus was somewhereelse, and it was. It correlates
(53:31):
very heavily, and so it's hardto make that up. It really is
very rarely. Is it a talentissue? Yeah, that's one of those
like two that come to mind mymind, I'd have to think, but
yeah, yeah, you're right.Any other ones grant wrap this up?
Uh yeah, how come so manyguys be at the bar during springball?
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Great one to finish on? AndI know this was this one was from
cad I remember Sundays are off,Sundays are off off. Hey, you
know, it wasn't my thing,but it's springball is stressful, man,
for a lot of guys, andthey're of age. There's plenty of guys
(54:14):
of age on the team there.I'm not gonna kid you. There's a
lot of guys who aren't of agewho are partaking in the weekend activities.
And uh, they're college students too, right, you know, they're just
trying to have a little fun meetsome ladies, just like you know,
forget that they're going through grueling twoand a half three hour battle sessions three
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times a week. And the lastone, the one that we talked about,
the one tradition that the team doeskind of have of like really letting
loose after spring ball is over.You know, that one's just to really
actually celebrate, like hey, andideally you're celebrating like we put it into
we put it together, a greatspring ball, we had a great spring
spring game, like it's over,and and the fact that it's over.
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So yeah, that's why. Imean, it's the same reason they're at
the bars during the season after abig win or stuff like that too.
I'm convinced that that stuff is actuallya net positive for team performance, even
though alcohol is obviously not great foran athlete. But I'm convinced that's a
that's a net positive. That's bondingwith your teammates. I don't and I
don't think you're You're not kidding there, keV. No, I'm not.
(55:24):
I'm legitimately not. Yeah, andI know what you're talking about, the
same concept kind of applies when Iget a fitness and nutrition client who's like,
okay, do I are you gonnamake me cut alcohol completely? Like
can I not have these suits?It's a very similar concept. It's like,
no, I'd like you to,like, I'd like to work with
you in a way that we canstill enjoy life a little bit, like
(55:46):
I need you to not be arobot and still enjoy the fruits of life,
like if you like to sit downand have wine on the weekend and
like or you know, crash witha friend. Man. Relationships are important.
Friendships, Yeah, good good socialconnection and and and bonding and activity
and fun and those that dopamine releaseof like things that you enjoy. That's
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really important too, and is inthe correct amounts. There's certainly a line
of diminishing return here, uh,but in the correct amounts it is it
is probably better to get a littlebit of that. Uh, then the
effects are bad of you know,a night of drinking in fact that you
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would be amazed. I mean,I know plenty of you have sent in
stories before of when you were incollege and you would see so and so
from the team out at the barand you're just like, I don't know
how this guy's doing it on Saturdaysbecause he is a monster and can put
down so much alcohol. It's justlike, yeah, some of these guys
are absolute freaks and they will gototal the same guys can drink it like
(56:52):
water, like water, and thenthey'll go and just manhandle dudes on a
Saturday, and it's just, Uh, there's there's people who are built different
in this world. They really areso good set of questions. Appreciate everybody
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the Washing Up walk Ons podcast.Here again for an other episode. Best
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Anybody could search it. Really yeah, just search Grant look it up.
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Uh. This could be exposing.Welcome in, Happy to have you
here. This episode is going tobe a fun, quick little Q and
A might not go for an hour, maybe go for an hour. Who
knows. Gonna start with something thatI forgot to mention the other day about
this whole Caitlin Clark thing at thispoint when you're when you are listening,
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I was either lost in the Finalfour or championship game or they are national
champions, and I really hope it'sthe latter. This is going to come
out the Thursday after that game isplayed. Ice Cube offered Kitlin Clark five
million dollars. Did you see this, keV? No, you're unaware of
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this. I'm unaware of ice Cubeoffer. Ice Cube. Baby, we're
talking about the ice Cube. We'retalking about that ice Cube. Okay,
So Grant, I know you knowwhat this is or you saw this and
I'm not totally Maybe Grant you canyou can fill me in a little bit.
So they have this league that theycreated called the Big Three Basketball League.
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Yeah, it's a three on threeleague and it runs for if I
would have believe, it's ten gamesduring the summer, ten games over a
few week, Yeah, you know, a few weeks during the summer.
So this is not like a Idon't think there's like, I mean,
there would obviously be contracts if Caitlynwas to play in something like this,
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but I don't think it's like ayearly thing like where you sign and you're
like on a two year deal orthree. I think it's a yearly thing
that you participate in. I believeit's a I mean, obviously Kaitlyn Clark's
being offered, but I believe it'slike a it's it's co ed, h
I would assume, So if she'sbeing offered twin yes, I don't know
if I saw when I when Ifirst saw this come out, like a
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year whenever this happened, that theyalready had a couple women playing in it.
But they offered ice Cube evidently asone of the founders investors. Let's
say, and I think I thinkhe's the commissioner, Okay, so it's
his league, and they offered Caitlinfive million dollars Kevin to come and play
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ten games. I think it's tengames if you win the championship over the
course of like a month in thesummer, and that would obviously not interfere
with WNBA season. It would directlyinterfere with WBA season. Well, she's
gonna get she's finishing college here ina month and a half, correct,
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right, and then she'll get draftedand then WNBA season starts. Win it's
I think it's like actually WWA seasonsummer starts like quite soon. The WNBA
draft is on April fifteenth and thetraining camps twenty eight. It is two
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weeks from Monday. That was twodays ago. I don't know why I
thought the WNBA and NBA were onlike the same schedule. They are not,
okay, probably for I mean,they already struggle to draw some hype
and views and coverage of that.I would imagine they don't want to compete
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with the with the NBA on that. Also, there's never a woman has
never played in the Big Three,Okay, so Caitlin will be the first
there and they're going to offer herfive MS. Dude, the roy anytime
you can put the number five millionout there, you at least have to
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consider it, right, absolutely,dude, I don't know how many games
she would I mean, we couldprobably search the schedule right now, Grant
if you could maybe do a littleresearch on that on when the Big Three
games happen and how many w NBAgames for the Fever would happen. Because
the Fever are drafting her, andthey've put out numerous amounts of content on
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social media hinting at that. Sohere's My question is the WNBA draft,
correct, are you locked into acertain contract like you are in the NFL
based off four you're drafted as relativeto like like like NFL, like the
first overall pick, like you allthe way through whatever, number one,
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whatever, the last one. Right, you pretty much are locked into a
like you're getting a four year deal, fifth year option, but you're making
craft each year. I would guessthat they're not negotiating in the NFL,
right, Yeah, out of yourdraft contract is not negotiable, right,
which is why everybody talks about thatsecond contract, because that's the one where
you if you're not a top tenpick, that's where you get paid,
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right. So I would imagine theyhave something like that in place. I
doubt it's four years. I betit's something more like two years. Maybe
Grant could find that as well afterhe looked at the conflicting schedules. But
say say it is something like that, and you have no leverage over what
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type of salary you can command,put it off for a year. I
don't know. She's gonna be somewherebetween eight and ten games. They all
they play almost every single weekend,either Friday through Sunday, Okay, so
that's significant. I might be Imight be as Caitlin, I might be
in touch with the UH with theFever personnel and be like, yo,
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I got this offer. It's legitimate, and it's more money that I'm ever
going to make even and if Iplay twenty years in the WNBA, that
may not be true. I thinkI think like a really good w NBA
player makes like two hundred or twofifty or maybe three hundred, maybe more
than that. I could be couldbe totally flopping. All let's look it
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up. What's the largest w NBAkind urgest WNBA contract was a two year
extension for two hundred and fifty thousand. Okay, so let's assume that Caitlyn
resets the market after her Kevin's overthere, Like Jesus, that's it.
She could four x the record andstill be making twenty percent of what this
league is offering her for one month, for a month of work. For
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a month of work, keV,I think you have to do it.
I think you have to, oryou at at minimum you have to ask
the Fever, hey, is itokay? If I miss eight games?
Like, is that alright? BecuzI'm gonna guess they're not gonna love that.
What if, okay, how aboutthis, What if Caitlyn says,
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I'll give you guys a million ofthe five for the for the you know,
for the organization, if you letme go make the other four,
you know, for the lost revenuethat you're gonna get from people not coming
and seeing those eight to ten games. Like there's you got at least weigh
your options here. You've got totalk things out, because five million dollars,
keV, What would you do forfive million dollars right now? Because
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the list I'm telling you for meis very long. It's a long list.
It's so long, in fact,there's not many things that aren't on
it. His minder on it?Which would you kill someone for five mil?
If I knew I could get awaywith it? I'm thinking about it.
M Yeah, especially if I candetermine who it is, because because
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now I can go after someone whodeserves it, right, like find me
the worst pedo, like horrible personon earth? Can I get away with
murdering that guy five million? Sure, I'll go be I'll go mercenary that
dude. Yeah, allegedly, Imean maybe potentially. I would never maybe
do it, but you know,legal getting back on track here. I
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don't know how you don't consider Imean, if it's a real offer,
it's a real offer because ice Cubetalked about it already. How is he
planning on making money on this deal? I I mean it's he's trying to
bring all of the eyes he seesher as that valuable in eyeballs. Basically,
is there any other names on thisteam this league? Or is it
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just a bunch of like guys whojust weren't quite good enough for the NBA.
And you know, it's a goodquestion. I think it's a lot
of retired guys. Like I thinkit's I think it's like Isaiah Thomas,
and they got some of the HarlemGlobetrotters in there, and Isaiah like like
sixteen year old is Thomas from likethe Boston Celtics. I think he's he's
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playing in the I don't know whathe was playing a game in, like
the the Pentagon the other day.It's guys like mac mccle long, you
know, get him in the Bigthree for this for a summer. You
know, Kevin doesn't know who thatis. It's interesting. I I mean,
the only reason you wouldn't do itjust is because of like the Optics,
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right, just looks weird like itYeah, no, it's it's it's
very clearly like this is for money. But who but and I know Kate
is an Olympic year, right,Is the w n B a like pausing
for the Olympics? That is?The other thing is is there is the
Olympics this this summer and I don'tknow when those are. Those might be
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late summer, maybe after the wNBA season. It's always in August.
Okay, so it's probably after theirseason then, uh, grant see if
you could type in w NBA Championshipgame, see if they got a date
on that. It looks like there'susually the gap on the schedule. There
is a big gap. And NHLwill put a gap in their schedule for
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the Winter Olympics because like all thoseguys go play. Yeah, the so
the the finals is in October,but there's like a two week gap at
least in the middle of the schedulein the beginning of August. Like some
leagues will do that, some won't, Like I know, when baseball got
back into the Olympics, MLB saidlike no, no, you guys are
gonna come here. You're gonna stayhere in America and play baseball where you're
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supposed to. I would argue theMLB is more important than the baseball and
the Olympics. But yeah, soit's so it does look like they probably
cut and you know that that's youknow, the American squad goes over,
they went, they win a Worldchampionship. To come back, she is
going to have, nonetheless, avery very busy summer. And I actually
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saw David Iicle tweet this today,something along the lines of, no matter
what IWOA does in this final four, if they advanced to the championship or
not, YadA YadA, I feelfor Caitlin. It's a picture by the
way that he tweets this and quotesit on Today was a media day,
I think, well, no,today, she just won the Naysmith Player
of the Year for the second yearin a row. Lisa Bluter also one
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of the four finalists for Coach ofthe Year, and she did not deserve.
Yeah, I'm both well deserved andso Caitlin's got you know, forty
forty reporters or more right, She'sjust it looks like it's the red carpet,
and it's seemingly more and more thatthis is every day, Like she
has to deal with this shit everyday. She is a celebrity, welcome
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to being great in America. It'sit's I don't know if you could ever
get it out of her a ona podcast or in an interview for her
to be like to really go intolike how crappy it is some parts of
it. But there is a priceto pay for being famous. It is
not all flowers. I imagine thatanxiety of always having to be turned on,
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like like I have to be onfor this interview, I have to
be on for this game, Ihave to be on for this event.
That it's got to be absolutely exhausting. Yeah, I'm sure it becomes pretty
second nature at one point too,you know a little bit. But I
bet Lebron and you know, TomCruise and everybody else who's in a list
celebrity still some days is like,dude, I love those are your one
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too, Lebron and Tom Cruise.Baby, to give me mission impossible with
Lebron in it, and I'm inuh, anybody name them, you know,
I don't know. There's got tobe days where they sit in their
massive mansions, on their private properties, behind their gated communities, and they're
still like, I'd just like toget away. I just like, I
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would love to not have to dealwith this part of it sometime. But
you take the good with the bad, and the good is pretty good.
You're well off, You're completely financiallysecure. You there is a lot of
cool arts to fame and people knowingwho you are and singing your praises.
Uh. It's just I was honestlyworried that it would get to Caitlin before
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this point. I thought, youknow, I thought you might, it
might affect this tournament run. Obviouslyit hasn't interesting offer though, five million
dollars, I mean, Kevin,I would I would for for a month
worth of time. I would flyto uh remote Russia and play whatever sport
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you wanted me to against circus animalsfor five million dollars. I mean,
like, what, what tell meI'm picking the sport of boxing for you?
Yeah, all box, all boxgorillas in the remote tundra for five
million dollars. I'm serious. Uh, probably not gorillas, because I nothing
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that could kill me. I needto be able to use the five million
a half forwards. But I mean, like that is so much money,
and it says right here, onecan see ice cubes offer as a publicity
stunt, an attempt to increase interestin the Big Three. Yeah, it's
very possible. It's not real,Like you know, there's like you just
leaked that out there and be like, yeah, yeah, you know this
is we want to do this knowingthat it's never going to come to fruition,
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and you know you just got allthis pulled uplicity about people talking now
by shit, we've been talking aboutfor the last ten minutes. I know,
I just it's it's one heck ofa story if it's if it ever
came to fruition. But so it'snot even the biggest offer Kaitlyn got though,
she got the ten million from DavePortnode to come play on the Barstool
Wreck Team. Did she really isthat serious? Well, like I think
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Dave just like quote tweeted the iceice Cube and he was like, I'll
just dunk on you ten million tocome play. It's come play pick up
with the Barstool Team. I knowthat's probably a joke, but god,
that's so much do they play againstlike probably like insurance salesmen each other.
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They just literally play like a pickupgame. It's just a bunch of Marshall
employees. He's just being funny,but it's a joke that's unreal. Uh.
Somebody, some account on Twitter today, some like sports merchandise account or
sports memorabilia account, sent me aDM and was like, Hey, Tyler,
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in the event that the Iowa womenwin the national championship over this weekend,
here's a It was like a pictureof a you know, one of
those like basketballs that has the whiteit's like half white where you can sign
and or like put print pictures.And it was like a pre printed Iowa
Women's basketball twenty twenty four National championscommemorative ball. He's like, we'll be
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selling this commemorative ball. Would youlike to help us promote the Iowa National
champions And I was like, uh, sure, give me more details.
It's like just just the weirdest stuff. Anyway, we're in the uh we're
in the middle of springball. Hopefullythe Iowa women are national champions as as
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we're listening to this, and youguys are just giddy because we win our
first I don't whin's the last timein Iowa sport has won a national championship
years ago. It was yeah,and it almost it' almost should have been
back to back. Fuck you COVID, that's true. You don't you know
what fucking it is. Back toback we won. Yeah, you're right,
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we were twenty twenty champions well basketballclimb in that tournament as well.
Yes's right, that's right. Thatinteresting they were. They were gonna be
pretty good that year, right,like they were pretty I'm gonna give us
a seventh seed. Yeah, searchuh search their record twenty nineteen, twenty
twenty heading into that tournament. SokeV what I've done. I know you
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don't probably frequent the discord, andthere's been some drama in the discord.
Actually there's you know, there wassome I haven't been in there in a
hot minute. It's been a longtime. It slows down dramatically in the
offseason when football is not This isa football centric podcast, so it slows
down in there. Some conversations dohappen amongst the different threads that we have
in there. We have multiple sports, we have movies. I mean,
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it's like a it's a shmortgish sportof topics that you can There's a food
channel, there's a diet and exercisechannel, movie channel, betting channel.
But I went in there tonight ortoday earlier, and I got some people.
I've only ever asked one person.He's he's kind of it's Hawkeye lore
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at this point. I believe itwas two years ago, maybe even three
years ago, at this point whereHawkeye dude, because you shit all over
now Kinnick, I came out andsaid that Nile Kinnick was not one of
my top five best football players atIOWA of all time. And I had
my reasoning for that and made itvery clear that Nile Kinnick at the time
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may have been passed at this pointby Caitlin Clark. I don't know there's
a discussion there, but at thetime, Nile Kinnick was still, in
my opinion, the greatest Hawkey ofall time. Different criteria, just not
one of the best five football playersthat we've had come through the program.
I don't think, quite honestly,anybody before World War Two could be considered
one of the best football players.You can't even have the discussion. You're
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comparing two different things. Humans havecome so far in almost one hundred years,
and the modern day humans just winthat unfairly. It just is what
it is. Anyway, Yeah,Hawkeye dude was the only one because after
I pissed him off with that,he could not let it go. Four
months, every single post he hadin there, he unprovoked would bring up
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how I disrespect Nile Kinnick or Iyou know, all this stuff, and
people were just like, dude,we get it, like ha ha,
it was funny first, and nowyou're just being annoying, and he just
kept going. So I just completelydeleted him from the server, just axed
his whole account. It felt goodtoo, And he to this day,
by the way, probably still listensto the show, because he'll probably tweet
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about this. He still will respondto people who mentioned Nile Kinnick. He
will bring me up randomly and say, well, it's funny Klover doesn't think
he was a top five football player. So clearly we know how good that
podcast is. Just randomly, eighteenmonths after the fact, it's one of
the funniest things that's ever happened onour show. I went into the discord,
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I asked in the questions channel,which, to be quite honest,
even tho ogs rarely give good questions. It always turns into some ridiculous stuff
that we can't ever say on theshow. But tonight we got a couple
of good ones, and I puthim down. I'm gonna have Grant through
some of them with us. Theyare focused around springball as we are in
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the middle of springball right now,Kevin's favorite time of year, second favorite
time of the year. Oh uh, and so Kevin and I will answer
some of these questions. Uh,maybe they'll be relevant, maybe they won't.
Grant you want to hit us withthe first question? Back up,
what was the drama you said?You you said there was some drama going
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on with what the discord? No, just that recently there's been a bunch
of Cheetoh finger opinions in there thathave driven people away. That's pretty much
it. It's a good customer retention. Well, I mean, I can
either be real or I can justyou know, I can pander. Hey,
shitting on our fans is a longfavored walk on tradition here, one
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that gets questioned a lot online bypeople who like to give their opinions of
our show. It's just like that'swhat you get around here. I'm not
going to pander to anybody. Idon't care if you bet you know I
don't. I don't care. I'mgonna tell you what I think. It's
just like if you're going to bea person who in the first quarter of
a game is like this, thisis over, We're done, We're screwed.
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It's like, hey, Bud,let's let the first ten minutes run
out quick, you know, justsee where this thing goes. Anyway,
Grant, what do we have forquestions? Yeah, so you mentioned shitting'
on Vans tradition. Well, thediscord is a good transition because the discord
wanted to know what kinds of springball traditions are there? Is there anything
like getting freshmen into this wing?Is there a big if anything of the
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team does to start at the spring? What kind of traditions are involved in
spring ball? The end of springthat's the tradition. Uh, yeah,
I don't know if it's I don'tknow if they do. We started our
senior year is after the spring game? Do a little crawfish boil? Was
that started our senior year? Thatour senior year is the first one.
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I felt like it was started beforethat, But maybe not. I mean
other people through parties and stuff.But we were the first one to do
a crawfish. But I don't knowif it's gone still gone since the Paulsins
have left, but I doubt it. You know, we went for at
least to know it too two threeyears after that. But yeah, you
know everyone goes out after the springgame. Is there a I'm trying to
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take of it? Yeah, Imean there's no like specific. I don't
think there's anything in the program otherthan the one thing that comes to mind
is like your first season, yourfirst in season. And I don't know
if they still do this or not. The freshman always got prowlers on Fridays.
That was you remember that, likethe it was after the the maybe
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when you're in season, after camp. Yes, oh shit, you're right
that we didn't get it. Idon't think maybe we did. I think
we did. Oh well, thefreshmen that didn't play, you know,
they're deep on the depth chart.They're brand new to the program. They've
been there maybe just a couple ofweeks or maybe they started in the summer.
We do our little fast Friday,you know, like a little I
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think it was like twenty five twentyeight minutes on the clock or something like
that, and then we'd go andshower, you'd get ready. A lot
of times we'd be off on thebus to go to the airport and leaving
the freshmen who are not on thetravel roster would uh as we went into
shower and get ready, they getthe old browlers out, they get to
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push some heavy sleds around. Now, that was during the season. Spring
ball wise, there's nothing really inspringball that comes to mind. I don't
think there was any like traditional thingsor like things we did every year that
was specific to springball. I reallydon't. Other than outside of the team,
there was always like or outside ofthe football activity. Well, they
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asked about like maybe like a specificconditioning thing. It was like, you
know this is always coming or conditioningand no conditioning in spring wall. Yeah,
we didn't condition although and the practiceis the conditioning basically, Yeah,
you're doing a lot of running.I mean they if there's anything that's a
tradition about springball is how long thosepractices are. Yeah, it's just the
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tradition of it fucking sucks because thepractices two plus hours. That that is
an Iowa fucking tradition right there isjust embracing the suck of springball. I
mean some of those practices, soI think we've talked about it before,
but the managers would run around becausethey're kind of they're whipping equipment around.
They got to have things here herehere for each period. All the coaches
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have won the the gas everybody basically, but the players has a script for
the day and uh at the verybottom of that script there was a number
and it was the total minutes ofscheduled practice. Now, how often did
we go over that often? Especiallyon those Saturdays and springball? Yeah,
you got nothing else. And forspring ball, I think some of those
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scripts were like one eight, onefifty three. I think I saw one.
Dyeah, they they got long.I mean you're up over two and
a half hours of scripted and thenyou might be ten or fifteen minutes past
on a bad day, so it'slike a three hour practice. Man,
it was brutal, brutal for mein a different way. It's like Jesus,
we are here forever and I'm juststanding here in football pads and it's
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completely unnecessary for me. Bored asshit, just so bored, and as
a kicker, long snamper punter,especially for the kickers and punters, like
if you kick too many balls,especially after you've already done two practices that
week, say it's a Saturday practice, your hip flexer is going to explode.
So it's just like you got tobe real careful, especially the young
guys. But on Kevin's side ofthings, I mean it was yeah,
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it was complete dogshit. They're justrunning around. It's a it's a track
meet for two and a half hoursessentially, I mean, yeah, you
know, you start with a puntperiod where you're just doing full covering out
the gate. You know, fortyyard sprints, come back, let the
twos go, boom go again,forty yard sprint. You do that for
about five minutes. Then you goto tackling circuit and then pursuit drill,
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which is just running again. Yeah, and then you go into uh individual
for eight minutes, which is youknow, pretty intense. You know,
you're just flying through drills. Yeah, nine on seven, which is not
fun. Blocks on you know,go hurt your head a little bit,
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uh, you know, and thenyou go back to individual. Then you
do some seven on seven, thenperiod, start little team period and don't
forget a little up tempo. Yep, yeah, you got two minutes in
there, yeah, a little andthen uh oh, can't forget special teams
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compete, which yeah, there's aperiod at the end of practice, another
special teams period. You're doing twospecial teams periods every every spring ball practice,
plus a field goal period on someday, so sometimes it's three,
which is oftentimes you know, maybethis is a little Springboll tradition. I
think it was almost always we didcover Joe during the spring ball. We
mix it up more often they're incamp, but I think we did it
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once the spring ball we did combat, which is which is how we That's
how we got James Morris on theshow, because they had James Morris on
the show because we said it's alsohow I think more than one of our
teammates got can cussed. Because you'repracticing kickoff return. Yeah, frontline kickoff
return and obviously the opposite being thekickoff in a situation where you wouldn't be
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able to avoid the blocker, sobasically you got to go through them.
You have to. So you're asthe return man, you are standing there
and you are trying to block theguy who has a fifteen yard running head
start in a about three yard widewindow. Yeah, maybe four. Yeah,
So there's cones. They put conesout and you're not allowed to go
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outside the cones. And as theas the defender, your job is to
block that. You're not. Itis set up. It's it's a crash
drill, it's a car crash.Like I said earlier, you just have
to embrace the suck. This isone thing you just have to say,
this is gonna fucking hurt. Didyou know I did that drill one time?
I did combat. Oh yeah,how'd you like it? B sides
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are just one side. I didboth sides, and I I was not
good enough with my feet as ayoung freshman to actually make it hurt as
bad as it could have. AndI know you know how that works.
Oh and it also depends who you'regoing against. That's also true. Like
I remember, man, I thinkI wouldn't get some money Jones one time,
and that dude that's that was actuallyI mean, you can you can
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go pull up the film that dudedismantled double teams back in the day.
He was uh, he was.He was honestly fun to watch on kickoff,
But yeah, hurt. It hurt. That was irresponsible for you to
even get in the drill with him, to be honest, But there's not
really, it's it's one of thosethings where you're like, it's you know,
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you're full gladiator mode. You're notgonna be like h in front of
other your other fifty buddies like Idon't I don't want the money. Somebody
else jump in there, Hey isthere any is there any freshman back there?
Is there anybody here like another rep? No, I did it.
Gosh, it was against somebody whodidn't make it but was in our class,
and I just can't remember. Iwent against Pete one time too,
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and I think I was the guytrying to get around him and he locked
me up pretty good, and thatwas it was just and I was not
trying to bring a semi intent likeyou know, I'm not. I was
not trying to get a large collision. So I probably made that easier on
Pete than it was supposed to be. But he was probably like, oh,
thank god I got Oh for sure, yeah, one hundred percent.
That's what everybody thought when they wereacross from me and a drill. It's
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not necessarily who the big guys is, the guys who can move pretty quickly.
Yeah, get going as fast asthey can in fifteen yards. Yeah.
It's a a drill that I wouldn'teven have high schoolers do because it
wouldn't be worth it, and itarguably shouldn't be done at the college level
because then you start to get likeit's danger Yeah, because high school is
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you're gonna get like two kids thatlike drop their head and oh yeah a
freaking crown of the helmet versus crownof the helmet somebody breaks their neck.
You also have dumbasses in high schoolwho are going to take the intent of
the drill as like, oh,we're trying to create the biggest collision,
right. Yeah, it just itjust wouldn't work out. Those are fun
springball memories. I know the Paulsonswere mentioned there, Grant, and I
(31:26):
know that one of those other questionswas can you read it off what Yeah,
so to fall upon the crawfish bullyou mentioned a listener want to know
if the crawfish bull can come backas they walk on event with the Pulsons.
Oh, I think it's worth sendingthe text to the old boys.
I think we probably could get thatdone. Uh, I don't. There's
just no way in at least inmy mind that I think you present an
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idea of a crawfish boil to Landingand Levi Paulson, and they're like,
we don't really want to be apart of it. It's not for us
anymore. Like no, I thinkthey'd yeah, I don't know. Should
we should reach out to Tammy barand see if we can get three thirty
nine three seven driveway? Should werent the driveway for the day? Oh,
(32:09):
it got to that'd be funny.The people would be like the people
inside Whilch. We'd have to tellhim, like, you got to you
gotta be gone for twenty four hours. If those are still football houses,
they were as far as the yearthat Riley Moss was in the door was
in the house for the first time, so I know he lived there out
(32:30):
of the dorms for a year.Shooter I think lived there the entire time,
so at at least at least sincea couple of years ago. I
think Worf's lived in the back fora while. I mean it's that the
worst has been gone for a fewyears now. Those two places have seen
probably two or three dozen football playersat this point. It's nothing like the
Miller House though. I think thathouse has been a football house for twenty
years now. My brother lived inMiller, did he now for a semester
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or or some amount of time.So yeah, that's how that's how established
that house is. It's a lotnow. I remember I went there on
my official visit. We did,we did, Yeah, yeah, we
visited Miller. That's the first timeI ever saw George Kittle, I think.
But yeah, we could probably wecould probably reach out to the Paulsons
(33:15):
and try and make that happen.Uh So, another question was why does
Iowa not do a real spring gamelike other schools? And then I'm going
to add another question onto that iswhat does i Why is Iowa spring game
different? Like what are they doingdifferently? Oh yeah, so I think
that's I guess the question be like, what do you mean a real spring
(33:39):
game? Like nobody plays like anactual game? Are you sure about that?
To my knowledge, yeah, Ithink some people line it up as
like, hey, here's how likeI think they split the roster like fifty
five guys, fifty five guys.They have a full offensive defense, and
they play against each other. Dothey really? I think they do.
(34:00):
I've never heard of that, andI think that's what he's getting at.
Like I think in Nebraska does Ithink they'll do it. They'll do like
red versus White squad, and they'llhave an offense and a defense for both
sides. Iowa generally just does offenseversus defense, and then they figure out
a way for defense to score pointsin that scrimmage. And I don't know,
(34:22):
because we want our ones practicing againstour ones, correct And I think
that's probably why we do it theway we do it is because if you
split it, and I don't knowhow they would do that, maybe they
would just mesh, you know.I guess you could give like one team
the one offense and the two defenseand vice versa for the other team.
(34:43):
Or either that, or you likeliterally intersplice, like you know, your
your tackle guard your tackle and youdon't want to do that. You want
your your starters playing with who they'regoing to play with. Dude, I
think some teams do it. That'sweird. Yeah, it's weird. I
would say it. You only getfifteen practices, you want to make the
most of each and every one.So that's why we do it the way
(35:05):
we do it. Yeah, Iechoing what Kevin said. I think it's
the most efficient and you get themost out of it. It's the most
intentional. When the ones are goingagainst the ones, and and and for
the twos and the threes, whenthey're going against the twos and threes,
someone of similar uh an outfit ofsimilar skill and development to them on the
other side of the ball, thathelps them as well. And obviously spring
(35:28):
build is a huge developmental period.And you know, I saw Dallas Clark
on a on a clip. Hemust have been back last week or something,
and he dude, he's everywhere.And I know for a fact he's
going to be at the final fourbecause he hasn't. He was at the
championship game in Minneapolis. It's likehe lives. He lives a great life.
He deserves it. He lives agreat life. But he was talking
(35:52):
about, hey, you get youget fifteen practices. It is not a
lot, and you have to comeout and it's one of those things you
can't waste one. Yeah, asa young guy, you have to adopt
that mentality of like there's real intentionthat we have to come out every day
(36:12):
with and you know, when youwalk off the field, if like you
left, if you left some somemeat on the bone there, and you're
like, wow, I really justI wasted a practice or I wasted a
period. Today it's very apparent andevident, especially when the film gets turned
on and uh so you learn quicklylike, okay, that's not our goal.
And that spring day, that fifteenthpractice is one of those days you're
(36:37):
still trying. Yeah, the fansget to come and it's you know,
there's autographs and who uh but youknow Iowa and it's part of it's part
of that culture, that developmental programthat they see that as a workday.
Some other programs they may see thatas a Yeah. I mean you try
to put as many game like situationsand scrimmage as you Yeah, it's good
(36:59):
to like pretend that you're in thosesituations, simulate those situations. But at
the end of the day, it'slike, we got to practice and we
got to get better. It's notfor the fans. We're working, We're
we're we're focused on getting better asa team. Right This one applies well
to Iowa right now. How doesone accept and respect a new coach who
presumably is bringing in new plays andconcepts. It's not a great question for
(37:23):
me since there was little to noturnover on the defensive side of the ball
my entire tenure. There not agreat question for me either. Although I
did go through having Coach White tothen having Coach Wallace and then Coach Woods
who were already on staff, theywere just taking on new responsibilities. I
(37:43):
would say, I would say mostguys at IOWA, specifically, with the
trust that KF builds from the top, aren't going to question a guy's football
knowledge or his ability to be acoach on the field. I think most
of that trust and respect comes offthe field, and that is built just
(38:09):
like it's built in a company,you know, around the cubicles or the
office or you know whatever your companylooks like, like conversations learning past who
just a guy is like he justshowing that you care about the guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, youknow it's not You're not just a number
on a on a paper with alast name. It's hey, let's have
(38:31):
the you know, as as anoffensive coordinator, Let's have the offensive line
out this day to my house andlet's get to know them. A little
bit better and then let's have thereceiver group out and then let you know,
it's stuff like that, having funwith the guys in between meetings,
in the in the at meals,sitting down with them, stuff like that,
(38:52):
little little things that other coaches somemore than others, do better than
others. Like they're like we we'veI mean, we've shipped on coach quite
a lot on this on this show. And I don't mean to beat a
dead horse, but he was kindof the prime example of it. Is
like he was very much so justa coach, Like he was just there
(39:12):
to get his do his job,whether that was good or not. He
wasn't a guy who was gonna sitdown and have a meal with you and
spend extra time like he was ona time card man. When he punch,
when he punched out, he wasout. He was punching in and
out more than the other coaches were. And that doesn't mean he wasn't nice
sometimes or wasn't a good dude sometimes. A lot of the time, I
(39:37):
will say this, he didn't.It didn't help that he knew absolutely nothing
about snapping, kicking, and punting, uh, specifically those intricacies of those
positions. He did know a decentamount about special teams, like putting together
a kickoff teams, stuff like that, but obviously he had to But uh,
but then you flipped to guys likeWallace and Woods, who we've talked
about at nauseum on this show.And I don't think we have to rehash
(40:01):
out why we love those guys,why those two guys are our front runners
to lead the program when KF stepsdown, it's it's it's personal personability,
like can you be personable? Canyou can you connect? Be authentic?
Yeah, some guys are just better. So you know, Lester, I
hope he's one of those guys.In his in his initial conference, uh
(40:24):
press conference, it seemed like hehe was as a as a former player,
you can kind of get a feelfor a guy how he talks about
the game and how he talks aboutyou know, it's team, and it'll
be very evident if he's not.I'll say that, okay. Uh.
And then we had a fun question. He was just what's the funniest thing
you ever saw during springball? Funniestthing I ever saw? I don't know
(40:49):
if it was in Camper and springball, but it's got to be the Spartan
punch. That Spartan punch. Yeah, dude. Uh, long ball to
a receiver on the defensive sideline duringa team period. Receiver catches. It
was it Reese who did this.It might have been Gear, I don't
know, it was one of them. Uh. Receiver gets up talking shit
(41:13):
as he does, like, youknow, he's now in the midst of
all of you guys who are onthe sideline. You know, you know
what you can picture this gup heyyeah, you know start John Sure and
in your teammates. So it's fun. It's not like it's not like there's
actual animosity. It's like fun likeyou're giving you you know, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. There'sthat competition, real real competitiveness that is
(41:36):
coming out, and you're like,you know, so for that play,
the receiver gets a one up onthe defense, so he's going to give
it to the entire defensive side,you know, the one corner gets beat,
the entire defense gets beat kind ofthing. And the defense isn't gonna
let him just talk. They're goingto talk back, you know. And
then so there's another receiver that wasprobably on a route ten yards away.
(41:57):
He comes over to also talk shit, and it starts going back and forth
and it gets into one of thoselike you know, you grab a guy
by the by the neck pad andyou're you're like locked up. So now
there's a convergence on the uh onthe defensive side, you know, the
more of the defenders that are outof the game start to come over,
they're like, Oh, I'm gonnaget in on this people. I don't
know what it is about these guys. You guys just love to fight.
(42:21):
I don't. I don't know whatit was. It's fun, yeah,
I guess, And it's because youhave armor on, so it's almost like
you can shove and you can hit, and it's like it's already what we're
doing. Anyway, the offensive sidestarts to run across the and the offense
who is starting or who is inthe in the game at that point,
they start to run over to thesideline. And I know you probably don't
remember this keV simply because it happensa lot like there's there's just a lot
(42:45):
of times when it's a I wouldn'tcall it a brawl. It's more of
a congregation and then a sec kindof like you when you sometimes see teams
like after warm ups in a game, like kind of like, you know,
get a little chippy with each otherdon age before a game out of
nowhere, and I'm pretty sure itwas Reese. He's got his helmet off.
(43:07):
He comes in with his helmet inhis hand like a Miles Garrett type
situation, runs up, jumps upin the air because he's just kind of
a shorter guy and has his helmetup in the air and brings it down
like he's got an energy sword inold school Halo, like into somebody's shoulder
pad, like into their back.And I saw it from across the field
and I was like, oh mygod, this is gonna this is gonna
(43:30):
happen. And it actually didn't turninto as much as I was hoping for.
But that is the funniest thing becauseI just I would always watch the
fights from Afar and I saw thishappen and I was like, that looked
like he was on fifty percent gravityon Halo three. Were we in Kinnick
that day? No, this wasin the indoor. In the indoor,
Okay, I've got no rock recollection. Yeah, I don't, I don't
(43:51):
know. I don't like I don'tknow if I was hurt and on the
biker it was one of the funnierthings. It looked like something out of
a video game. And I guessthe fights for the Specialists were all aways.
Funny because she just sit back andyou're like, God, these assholes?
What a would be hilarious if ifthere's a fight going on between the
offense and defense and for some reasonthe specialist decided joined in and side,
(44:12):
probably wouldn't end up well for thespecialist. But I will tell you back
when Casey and Mike were the seniorsin our first year, we did used
to eye up the other special teams, uh squad that would come to Kinnick
or that we go it like,okay, they've got their five or six
guys, We've got our five orsix guys. If the Specialists were sent
to center field in midfield and itwas just a who wins out of this?
(44:36):
Like it's an all out fight andthe winner is the winner of this
game is whoever Specialists walk away?Are we winning today? And we've back
when it was me Marshall Korn,Casey, Mike and Alden, we felt
pretty good about our odds against mostother special teams units. I feel like
those odds went down as we yeah, yeah once once it was you know
(45:00):
you mcguil keith. It was agreat lineup Colton speed whack. We just
you guys would have gotten clowned byjust about every other union. But again,
a lot of special teams units looklike that too. That's true.
And so you know that freshman year, I think we go undefeated, but
(45:21):
you know, I don't know.Kalusi in there just throwing haymakers, Dylan
kid, yeah, Galusy tripped andthen luckily true and got yeah because of
his poor footwork, which was becauseof my poor snap. We got a
targeting penalty which really helped us out. That can really helped us out,
(45:42):
got us to extend the drive,and I think one of their best players
got ejected. Yeah. It isone thing that comes to me is I
think it was our sophomore year,are going into ours. I think it
was going into twenty fifteen, soserving our second spring ball and we have
a bunch of injuries at the safetyposition, and so Jake gavask It's thrown
(46:06):
in there all excited, man,and we're in we're in red zone period
right now, and uh, theplay happens. They score a touchdown on
this play. Fast forward two days, we're watching the film and the whole
you know, we're we're in ouroffensive and defensive you know, they split
the room. We're in the defensivemeeting and we've got the whole defense in
(46:28):
there, and Coach Parker throws upa couple of plays about what we got
to improve on. He pulls upthis play, lets it play for about
three seconds. How many fucking guyswe're playing with this in this play right
now? Anybody? Now? Howmany players are we supposed to play with?
Is eleven? How many are onthe field right now? Ten puts
(46:52):
the remote down, just goes andstares at Jake. He wouldn't sucker you
doing. He backpedaled out of theend zone, he went and staring him
down in the meeting room. Ohgod, he was so scared. Oh
god. And you knew he hadthat teed up man, Oh absolutely,
absolutely, Like you know, Jake'slike fucking embarrassed, pissed off, and
(47:15):
just like oh because I think likehe had just got thrown in because I
think we we were down a fewguys, and he's just like all excited
and ready to go back to astraight out of God, that's good,
and you know it was it waskind of quiet in the room, but
everyone's just fucking dying under their breath. Oh God, that's that's incredible.
(47:36):
Yeah, so that that's gonna takethe cake from me. Okay. Uh
So another question was seems a lotof the older guys are spots locked down
or to some degree with injury,and question, uh sending out some practices.
How much of an impact does thishave on the reps and practice?
Does the answer change it all withbrand new OSI? Yeah so this m
there are a lot of guys whosit out. Kevin and I have talked
(48:00):
about how we missed a third ofspring ball because of class our senior year.
Yeah. So on once you're inyour senior year and especially been a
starter for a handful of years,you know, spring ball is not as
important as it once was. Youknow, it's still important to practice and
get better and get your reps obviously, but uh, you know, coaches
(48:20):
aren't going to be upset if youngerguys have taken more reps. Risk reward
of doing as many one live repsis it declines over your career to where
right and you know guys, youknow, you only have so much tread
on the tires, right, andso you try to try to keep them
healthy as best you can, whichis crazy to think about when you,
(48:42):
like you think about the guys inthe NFL who are like reach thirty,
It's like, dude, how havethey had that much tread on their tires?
I mean NFL practices. Well,and that's that's part of it.
That's that's why. Right, youget to the NFL and there's like there's
like eight full contact practices over thecourse of a calendar year, and you
also now have the resources to dolike ice baths and norm attack everybody two
(49:07):
to three hours a day on recovery. Right. Yeah, so that's that's
honestly the answer. But it's stillkind of crazy at the with the stuff
that they do. But yeah,Kevin's right, it's well, what was
there about. I was like,my senior year, I'm second string behind
Ben, right, Yeah, Iknow the playbook back in my hand,
(49:30):
don't really need a whole lot ofreps to to get better there, and
you know, I'm a senior notreally going to start. I was basically
on partial retirement. That entire partialretirement that entire spring ball. Like Clure
said, we had a class onthe Thursday practice, so we missed.
I think we would get back forlike the team period and uh, you
(49:52):
know, I think I took likeusually one one set of team period res
yeah, eight plays, and thenwe do special teams competing. Yeah.
Yeah, I would literally if wedidn't do field goal that day, I
would basically they would warm you andme up on the side for like a
quick five minutes. We do somehigh knees and whatever, and some atlas
(50:14):
lunch and I might literally just runin do the special team's competril and then
they'd call it up and I'd belike, God, this is so stupid.
Yeah, And it's funny because itkind of coincides with the reason that
Kevin and I like generally, youknow, when scheduling your courses, like
(50:34):
this is when springball is, it'sin the morning, you need to schedule
your classes at at least probably noon. Eleven o'clock class is going to push
it sometimes, but you can probablyschedule eleven. Kevin and I had a
I think it was at nine o'clockclass biomechanics, and it was because we
were older and in the in thewe ran out of those general electives.
(50:57):
Yeah, this was a mandatory classfor our major. It was the only
time we could take it. Wecould have postponed it to the fall,
but there was no fucking way wewere doing that. Game week practices are
a little bit more important than springballpractices your senior year. Not only that,
but like, uh, you're alsoas like in that ninth semester if
(51:22):
you're doing the whole red shirt thefirst year, graduating four and a half
years kind of thing, Like you'retrying to make that fall as cakey as
you can. Yeah, we tooktwo classes. Yeah, so and it
was great. It was great,honestly. So Yeah, like some of
those younger guys, like I willsay, for the guys who get hurt,
(51:44):
it is it's tough man like theyare trying their best to to get
them good reps. It becomes alot of mental reps, a ton of
mental reps for the guys who areactually on offense and defense and have stuff
to learn. It's hard to makethose up, it really is. If
you're if you're hurt during springball oryou're hurt during bull prep. Another huge
(52:06):
cultivation period for the younger guys,the younger classes twos and threes. It
is really tough to make those up. And you've heard that a lot in
the stories of guys that we've broughton who who their careers didn't pan out
as much. You just heard itwith Garrett. Garrett got mono and fucking
pneumonia and like he was set.I think he was septic at one point.
(52:29):
I'm kidding, but he with theway he described that he was losing
weight, his body was shutting down. That was all during bull prep,
which was a huge period of timewhere a guy like Garrett who was fighting
for reps. Yeah, they're lookingto set the spring roster. Yeah,
bol game, and that's kind ofhey, who's progressing, who's looking good
(52:49):
out there? If you go backin time and you look at the big
time recruits that I would get orany program, and you track if they
washed out, if they never reallypanned out, and then you could go
in and get the inside data onhow was their bullprep, how was their
first spring ball, were they hurtfor their Bowl preps springall or Yeah.
(53:10):
You know, you would see avery clear correlation with something not going perfect
or ideal during those periods of time, or sometimes it's just they don't take
advantage or they just don't pan outtalent wise. But a lot of the
times it's they're hurt or they missed, or they were struggling academically during this
period, so their focus was somewhereelse, and it was. It correlates
(53:31):
very heavily, and so it's hardto make that up. It really is
very rarely. Is it a talentissue? Yeah, that's one of those
like two that come to mind mymind, I'd have to think, but
yeah, yeah, you're right.Any other ones grant wrap this up?
Uh yeah, how come so manyguys be at the bar during springball?
(53:52):
Great one to finish on? AndI know this was this one was from
cad I remember Sundays are off,Sundays are off off. Hey, you
know, it wasn't my thing,but it's springball is stressful, man,
for a lot of guys, andthey're of age. There's plenty of guys
(54:14):
of age on the team there.I'm not gonna kid you. There's a
lot of guys who aren't of agewho are partaking in the weekend activities.
And uh, they're college students too, right, you know, they're just
trying to have a little fun meetsome ladies, just like you know,
forget that they're going through grueling twoand a half three hour battle sessions three
(54:37):
times a week. And the lastone, the one that we talked about,
the one tradition that the team doeskind of have of like really letting
loose after spring ball is over.You know, that one's just to really
actually celebrate, like hey, andideally you're celebrating like we put it into
we put it together, a greatspring ball, we had a great spring
spring game, like it's over,and and the fact that it's over.
(55:02):
So yeah, that's why. Imean, it's the same reason they're at
the bars during the season after abig win or stuff like that too.
I'm convinced that that stuff is actuallya net positive for team performance, even
though alcohol is obviously not great foran athlete. But I'm convinced that's a
that's a net positive. That's bondingwith your teammates. I don't and I
don't think you're You're not kidding there, keV. No, I'm not.
(55:24):
I'm legitimately not. Yeah, andI know what you're talking about, the
same concept kind of applies when Iget a fitness and nutrition client who's like,
okay, do I are you gonnamake me cut alcohol completely? Like
can I not have these suits?It's a very similar concept. It's like,
no, I'd like you to,like, I'd like to work with
you in a way that we canstill enjoy life a little bit, like
(55:46):
I need you to not be arobot and still enjoy the fruits of life,
like if you like to sit downand have wine on the weekend and
like or you know, crash witha friend. Man. Relationships are important.
Friendships, Yeah, good good socialconnection and and and bonding and activity
and fun and those that dopamine releaseof like things that you enjoy. That's
(56:09):
really important too, and is inthe correct amounts. There's certainly a line
of diminishing return here, uh,but in the correct amounts it is it
is probably better to get a littlebit of that. Uh, then the
effects are bad of you know,a night of drinking in fact that you
(56:30):
would be amazed. I mean,I know plenty of you have sent in
stories before of when you were incollege and you would see so and so
from the team out at the barand you're just like, I don't know
how this guy's doing it on Saturdaysbecause he is a monster and can put
down so much alcohol. It's justlike, yeah, some of these guys
are absolute freaks and they will gototal the same guys can drink it like
(56:52):
water, like water, and thenthey'll go and just manhandle dudes on a
Saturday, and it's just, Uh, there's there's people who are built different
in this world. They really areso good set of questions. Appreciate everybody
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