Jeremiah Sirles | WUW 514 - Washed Up Walkons

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If you guys don't know this guyby now, then you just haven't listened
to the podcast. Jeremiah Searles joinsthe show. He's a former Nebraska Cornhusker
played in the NFL for a fewyears now, he's an NFL agent,
and he also has his own podcast. He's one of the best guests that
we bring on. His vast knowledgeof the space of college football and NIL
and the draft, and his abilityto speak while in the mic make him

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the perfect guest. You're gonna enjoyhim as always. Let's have a day,
Let's go. The scene is justrunning for an hour because they're playing

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the game brush my Teeth. It'slike, this isn't a game. This
is an activity you do. Youdon't play brush your teeth. I don't
thrust your teeth, and then yougo do something else. Sounds like a
lit game to me. Yeah,I lit five thirty in the morning,
darkest shit outside, Go to bed. Welcome to the podcast, everybody.
I hit the record button in themiddle of our conversation about children. It's

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where me and Searle's conversations have shiftedto. Now we're just we're just adulting
hard, right, just it's turnto thirty this year. Hey look at
you. Yeah, big three tozero. It's a myth. Everyone says,
Oh I turned thirty and everything startedhurting. That's just for soft people.
I've kind of been hurting for fiveyears. Yeah, I mean I
also the I think it's different.It's just like, but I've always hurt
for as different to hurt at thirty. I heard it twenty two. Yeah,

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Kevin hurt way worse at twenty two. Oh yeah than he does now,
I believe it. But I thinkfor athletes it's different because you're I
wish Drake would not be such awos yeah and just join this show because
talk about hurt. That dude's justin eternal pain. Well, I mean
he does it to himself, Like, I mean, I have a little

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bit of remorse for the d likeyou played fullback, Like that's a very
punishing position. But at the sametime, stop with the fighting. Yeah,
maybe stop getting kicked in the stomach, in the face, and like,
I don't know, just a thought, so he he Uh. Kevin
will be here in a minute.By the way, everybody listening or watching
comment down below why you think Kevin'salways late to these The uh yeah,

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you'd think he would have learned betterthe so he had. He did.
He had his ankle thing in college, right. Do you you know about
that? I don't. I don'tknow about them. Okay, so mutual
friend Ike, Butker. I thinkwe ran like a dive play off the
left side and Drake is lead blocking, and I think someone, you know,

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a d lineman runs runs the linedown and kind of uh, one
person falls on another person falls onanother person. Drake's leg gets caught up
and just and oh, this isproducer. That's producer stuff right there.
Oh god, so that's Drake's leg. Oh no, and his knee in

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that picture is uh, his kneeis straight straight. His ankle's not so
serious injury. Actually that was againstNebraska, ironically insult first play of the
game. It was in Nebraska too. It looked like no, no,
no, it was it was inKinnick. Kevin, how we doing,

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man, phenomenal. We're just tellingthe story of Drake. I'm hearing about
Drake snapping his leg. You haven'theard that story. I have, not,
like eight times. Yeah, justgod stop. I don't want to
look at it anymore. That's disturbing. It's better than like a like searching
Kevin Ware's injury. You remember thatone? You to pull that up too,

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Yeah, sure, Kevin, pullup the bone. I don't know
if I want to see that either, Okay, I would be curious to
see I Actually I have a theorythat Drake would have turned into a completely
different human being had he not brokenhis angle. You think butterfly effect.
You think that was like the turningpoint right like there, like there was
two paths there. I don't knowif that was the tipping point, but
that might have been. Like youthink he was twelve months away from the

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Peace Corps. I would exactly saythat, but Peace Corps. I think
Drake Kolik is a very different personif he never broke his ankle. Explain,
go deeper into I'm gonna press deeperinto that. Please go deeper into
that. Maybe if we I everget on a dickhead Tuesday with these guys,

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I might go in deeper in that. But I just think that was
a that was kind of a detourfrom from his his planned route. Deviation
from the past. A lot,yeah, a lot happened to Drake in
a in an eighteen month span there, Uh the end of our career.
Anyway, we're telling the story Kevin, because we were talking about parenting and

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then turning thirty and then it likehurting as you get older. But then
we kind of flipped it on itshead and said, well, like Kevin,
Kevin probably felt way worse when hewas twenty two, like just in
general body, just like you wakeup in the morning, like how much
did you hurt versus now? Oh, like when we're playing Dude, I
felt like shit every little day.Well, I woke up. I had

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shoulder surgery five weeks ago, myseventh surgery. Right, would you get
the old labor and fixed? Right? It's one of those things that it'd
been kind of bugged me. Hewas an older injury. And then as
I was like doing life right likepicking my kids up or golfing or lifting,
I was like, yeah, thisis this is getting worse, right,
So I went in and then Iwas like, no, that MRI.

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Let's get the MRI. And soactually, the guy that I lift
with he played football Nebraska. He'salso an orthopedic surgeon. And I was
like, you know what, Dane, how quickly can you get me in
and fix me? He's like twoweeks and so, like we scheduled the
surgery before we scheduled the MRI,because he was like, if you tell
me something's wrong, something's obviously wrong. Once we got the MRI and he's
like, yeah, your shoulders trashed, he's like, probably need five six

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anchors. Get in there, tuneit up, call good cool, get
to the surgery. Afterwards, he'slike, so was worse than we thought.
Eleven anchors. Basically nothing was inthere. You were just kind of
holding it together by your trap.I was like, oh okay, so
yeah, I mean it's just oneof those things that you just kind of
learned to live with certain things.But as we got closer to the end

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here and that NFL insurance runs outin September, decided needed needed to get
done. Oh yeah, you gottaget all the tune up stuff. Oh
yeah, wife's getting her knee scopedout. Like we're doing everything deductible as
hit man, we are. Anythingunder the sun is getting done before September
one. Oh man, that's funny. Did you said this is your fifth

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surgery on that shoulder? Seventh well, seventh shoulder in general, I've had
two ankle, two knee, oldershoulder, and then I had one on
my elbow. Did they detect anysigns of early arthritis? And oh yeah,
ostio paros. All right, it'sall the fun stuff. You know,
you're not an eighty year old grandma, so probably not that. Whatever.

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There it is, that's what itis. I just keep thinking about.
I just I don't know, dude, all the O words get you.
Right now, I'm looking at allthese people getting on ozepic, all
the fat pill and it's like,man, that thing's kind of neat.
As I watched, as I watchedTyler roll his eyes over there, Dude,
that's threatening his business over there,Dude, can't be not a shot,

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You can't beat a shot that's justgonna melt the fat off of you.
Just saying you guys, don't youguys really don't want the soapbox on
this. I'm not gonna do it. I've been waiting for this, I've
been I knew, I knew thiswould poke a nerve. I just knew
it would be like you know theseshots now, Tyler, Like first it
was you telling me to drink water, but now I can just take a

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shot and once daily and I'll beskinny. Uh, that's right, it's
simpler. I mean, you're right, shortcuts. Life's all about shortcuts.
Tyler saying shortcuts make long careers.Right, Yeah, something like that.
Yeah, as the vein throbs inhis head, you know, low key

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the veins on the side of mytemples kind of scare me sometimes. The
baldness, the baldness Really when didwhen did you finally like just embrace the
baldness? Uh, February of lastyear? Just just went for it?
Or did you yet time it?Well? It's it's funny because once you
do it, you look back andyou're like, wow, it was time

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so long ago. Right. Ifeel like your life has just gotten better
since you shared your head. Ithasn't gone work, it hasn't gotten worse.
I'll say that the I will saythis, and I this is a
weird conversation between the three of us. But I think if you pulled like
a hundred women of the local Walkiearea, my attractiveness probably went up like

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one or two points. Yeah,my brother in law did it. My
brother in law embraced it, buthe didn't tell anyone. He just did
it. And he showed up oneday and it was kind of the like,
whoa, yeah, that's kind ofhow I did it too. So
the real, the real determining factorwas December of twenty two, we had
our daughter, and this is thisis such a like excuse reason to do

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it for me to finally go overthe edge. So then by February of
last year she was three four monthsold, she started she was starting to
get olders recognize you, you know, their eyes start to work, right.
And I didn't want selfishly, itwas about me. Of course.
I did not want, like atone year old or whatever, for me
to have hair every day. Andthen someday I come into the room in

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the morning and pick her up outof the crib and it's like, who's
this bold guy? Right? SoI was like, I'm gonna do this
before or she recognizes that. I'mlike, she's only gonna know me as
bald dad for it. Yeah,that's fair. So we went for it,
and I was like, it probablytook me like a day and a
half to get over and every likeclean bit, like get the big razor

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out and go for it. Doyou just do the like I did the
first time, But now I justhave one of those skull shavers and it
gets it pretty darn close to whata razor would there you go, so
any gather it up and just tryingto make it look extra shinier. No
oil the dome, you like abuffer out a statue, scrub Daddy actually

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love it. I love it.Anyway, back to the Drake story,
he snaps his ankle, he's outfor I mean, I don't know,
kV. What was that recovery forhim? Six months? I mean,
yeah, I don't think he didany spring ball and no he was.
He really wasn't right well, Imean especially if it's a Nebraska game.

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So it was late, Yeah itwas. It was November. Yeah,
I feel like he hardly even practicedduring camp the following year. We'd have
to ask him. But yeah,I'm pretty sure it wasn't just a one
surgery fixer. I mean, likeit bothered him so like they went in
there to like rescope some stuff.And so now seven years later he just
had a surgery on it again,like a month ago, six weeks ago.

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They took out the screw or theplate that was in there, the
screws that were in there, bonehad grown over it. They had to
like wiggle it out and clean.They cleaned up the some of the damage
and just shredded tissue in there,and that was supposed to like make it
feel better. I asked him lastweek if it feels any better, and

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he's like no. I'm like,but it feels better than like better as
in you're recovering from the surgery.He's like, no, not not really.
He's like a little better, andI'm like, but it feels better
than before you had this surgery.He's like no, and I'm like,
okay, that's good, and thenhe drops the bomb that similar to you

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shoulder, his labor m is uh. I think he has a shredded light
room as well. So that's prettycommon with fighters. I feel like though,
Yeah, I mean I feel likeif you m RI like half of
the NFL, they would all.Yeah, I mean any college labor.
Any college football player has at leasta partially torn labor, excluding specialists,

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I mean, yes, excluding specialists. Yes, uh, there's probably a
few like long snappers out there thatI tried to throw their shoulder on a
tackle. And yeah, so Imean just for like when I got my
peck done last year. Part ofwhat they're doing, they're gonna go up
into my shoulder and there's a littlearea where your bicep attaches, and they
kind of just snip that off andhelps them prepare a little bit better.

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Uh. And they're in there doingthat, it's like, oh, his
uh, his laborom shredded. Weshould probably fix that. I'm sure he'd
like that. And so yeah,my my one and a half hour surgery
turned into a three hour surgery wherethey just ended up doing them both.
Hey, but I'm sure like coover, even like you you lift all the
time, I'm sure like if ifthey went in there, they'd see like,
yeah, your shoulders are beat upa little bit. My left shoulder

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is great, It's it's great.I still have awesome mobility on both arms.
But on the wrong day, thisshoulder will catch. And especially with
CrossFit like jerking overhead or doing handstandpush ups, I really have to like
there's a lot of mobility that hasto be done if I'm going to do
like a serious workout with that stuff. But yeah, Grant, how about

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you how your labors? You know? Uh? If I mean, sometimes
my shoulders do hurt because I thinkI sleep so poorly off them, got
too hard of a bed. Justgot to get a soft for bed.
I don't I have noticed that lately. Otherwise you got to get an eight
sleep partner going on here like awe need a mattress sponsor for this podcast.

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Nice? Yeah, but no,I haven't been doing any extreme podcasting
lately. There you go, Earl. Did you ever come through with that
Liquid Death partnership that you were talkingabout for You're working on it, still
working on it on that front,but yeah, no, we're still We're
still We're starting to We partner withBlue Wire on our other podcast, the
Old Line Committee, So we partnerwith Blue Wire with them working with that,
we have our first kind of adpeople that want to join with us.

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So still growing that we're not evena year old yet, so we
turn a year in May. Butwe've been it's been a lot of fun.
The hard parts, Like much likeyou guys, we're all super busy
and all have young kids, andso we actually record Tuesday mornings at five
am for two hours. So wego we go five to seven every Tuesday
morning. And I'm getting a littlegetting a little tired of waking up that

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early because I go lift Monday morningat five thirty record Tuesday five lift Wednesday
at five thirty, so like Thursdayrolls around. I could sleep until seven,
and I just I feel like anew man. I thought, if
you're retired from from the NFL,you're allowed to sleep in. Yeah,
I don't have three kids, Kevinand I never get to sleep in,
Like sleeping in is now seven,like I was telling I was telling Tyler,

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Yes, like, dude, Ihave these night lights in my kids
rooms that there's three colors. Red, stay your ass in bed, Purple.
You can go play with each other, which goes off at six point
fifty, and then it's seven twenty. It turns green and you can come
and get us. And I mean, to the minute those kids are in
my room, it's seven twenty.Ready to rock. That's funny, ash
ready to rock? Yeah, man, it is. It is crazy once

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you have to have like because witha kid, it's all about routine all
so if you if you're not keepinga routine down to the down to the
minute every day, like you're settingyourself up for disaster. Bad news.
So it sounds like they're just holdingyou accountable, and they are, and
it is great in that way.And if you're a person who's you know,

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okay with accountability? Uh? Andyou if you learned that in your
life, then you do. Youdo pretty well. It's fine. But
sleeping in is quite like my wife'salarm get goes off at five thirty in
the morning every or five forty hso sleeping in quite literally like if we
see past six thirty on the clock, it's like, it's a good day.
What it's like, what is happeningis our is our child alive?

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Is like you look over on themonitor to see if they're breathing. It's
like, oh my god, it'scrazy. keV you'll you'll and Gary you'll
know someday one of these days,One of these days, Drake might not.
He just has dogs. He does. He has a pretty serious girl
though, doesn't he Yes. Butat one point his stance on kids was
he would like a son, butnot a wife. Uh. And so

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then when when we pressed them onhow he would get said son, a
whole lot of details behind the answer, Yeah, big plan, not quite
on the execution quite quite yet,he had he had really no details on
the execution of how he was goingto do that. He just wants to
be a part of the big brotherprogram is right. No, no,
no, he wants it to behis DNA wo his kid. Oh okay.

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Just what he's looking for someone who'swho's not out there, which is
a person who would well, he'slooking for a surrogate. But he doesn't
want to know anything. He justwants on to hand of his son.
Yes, yes, And by sondoes he mean like infant or like four
year old like mini drake. Ithink he would take I think he would

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take it a little a little likecooked to like two and a half or
three years old. Yeahah, getit through the get it through the tough,
the tough stages. Yeah, Ilove it man. I was actually
just in Iowa City last week.Oh because yeah, yeah, so my
detackle Christian boyd uh plays at Youand I a good chance to be a

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third round pick this year, whichwould be awesome for us. He pulled
his hammy two days before his Youand I pro day. Oh no,
what are you doing two days beforeyour pa that you're pulling a hammy?
He had one twenty, He hadwon two tens and one twenty and deceled
on a twenty and got a littletweak in the upper ham and it's like
I was on a phone call andwhen my clif told my clients like,

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if you call me once and Idon't answer, like I'm on the phone
with doing something or I'm busy.I'll call you back. If you call
me twice, that means answer thefucking phone. And so he called me.
I didn't answer. He calls metwice, and I was like,
hey, I got to take this. He's like, dude, I just
pulled my hamstring. And so Ihad to call all thirty two teams because
there was a bunch of D linecoaches that were gonna come and the whole
bit and what I did to thencall you had to make thirty two calls.

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Oh, because you have to telleveryone because you don't want to.
You now get in a little bitof a damage control mode, right,
because you don't want a D linecoach to fly to Cedar Falls, Iowa,
to waste their time and then showup and be like what do you
mean he's not doing anything right?Like, what do you mean He's just
gonna do the bench press? Yeah? Right, And so you have to
like kind of damage like, hey, it's this is what happened, and

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and it helps like it buys yousome good will. But then it was
we got really lucky that Cooper dejenwas banged up and wanted to and wanted
to do a later pro day becauseNFL rules, since he laid at a
non D one school, he cando pro day at a D one school
in the state. And so wegot lucky were able to pair him up

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with Cooper de Jean's. But yeah, they were great about it. That
they were. They were phenomenal aboutit, and it helped that we we
leaned on some scouts, right,We were like, hey, you guys
want this, give a couple ofphone calls, help us out. And
so they were great, but theydon't allow agents in, which is really
annoying. And so I ended uphaving to drive him to Iowa City,

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and so I picked him up inDes Moines. His family met me there
and I drove him in and soyeah, I stayed in Iowa City and
met with a couple of guys onthe Iowa team and away we went.
I was gonna say, what didyou go to get Chipotle while he was
doing his thing or what where didI go? I went to Stella's.
I that's I met. I metthe player at Stella's. I met the

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I met the alignment at Sella's Idid. I had one of the burgers,
which was phenomenal. Yeah, argue, one of the better burger joins
in town. It's really good.That's actually that's the second time. Every
time I meet you and I willplay, They're always like, let's go
to stell Us. It's like asurprise. Surprise makes it. That is
a non insignificant amount of Iowa footballcalories right there. Oh, I can

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believe that. I ate it everyTuesday Thursday for like twenty six weeks in
a row. And that's not that'snot it. The Beaconsfield and the page,
No, the page and then whatsome barbecue barbcue wing? Oh yeah,
yah yeah the barbecue wings. OhI haven't had the wings. The
wings fire not very big, butthey're good, all right. And I

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would just get like four sides ofranch and that would run. I don't
know if in Nebraska they have likea card that like they'd load meal.
They do now, Yeah, theydidn't when I was in school. They
call like a red card probably orsomething. Yeah, black card and Iowa
City they'd load twenty bucks and Ijust I'd run that bill right to like
nine to sixty eight or maybe evenlike twenty one sixty eight. I'd pay

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an next dollar of my own moneyand I'd crush. I would just murder
a chicken sandwich or a or aburger fries, like twelve wings and like
half a gallon of ranch. Itook him to the what's it the tavern
something vine? Yeah, having onthe vine salads. There were fire cop
salad there, massive you big saladguy. I'm trying to keep the weight

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down right when I can on theroad. Really the move there. Then
I had eaten all day, soI was like, it's better than what
I wanted to. I wanted toget the like fried chicken sandwich or something.
I was like, great sandwich theretoo, it looks really good.
Someone I'm a big like impulse guy, and like someone as we sat down
walked by with it and I waslike, oh, what is that?

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And I was like that I reallywant that. But big impulse guy,
big dude. The targeted ads yourwife or what this guy? Yeah,
she walked by me, she said, hid to me. One day I
was sold better better, hope thoseosampic ads aren't popping up on your feet.
Then, oh they are they listen, my phone listens to me.
God, damn agent rules changed orthose guys postcrid or what? No.

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No, So the agent rules areforever and always. You can talk to
an agent at any time, okay, right, anytime. You just can't
sign with an agent until after you'redone for the NFL. Now you can
sign with one for nil now atany time, right. But as far
as signing for NFL stuff and talkingwith an agent, you can meet with
them in anytime. So you know, yeah, you guys got a couple

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of dudes I'd like to meet withnext year, that's for damn. Sure.
Got a lot of We got alot of dudes. I wouldn't say
a lot, but you got agood you got a good couple. You
got a good few. Well,I mean you'll take anyone, right,
not just offensive lineman or defensive ismandfront seven. I take front seven.
So yeah, I mean yeah,yeah, is that how you say it?
Why it's an animal? Yeah.I was gonna say he's different,

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now he's a dude. Yeah,we have less dudes if we're just talking
a specific subset up seven. Yeah, Yeah, I don't, I don't,
I don't mess with DB's and receivers. Man, it's just not my
thing. Well, we don't haveany receivers. In fact, one just
transferred out today. But I knowyou lost another one. Yeah, one
of the ones that was supposed tobe like we're probably one of our top
three. That's right. You stillyou still got Luke? You're fine?

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Did you see he left? Maybetwenty four hours after I give us a
great quote about how you look forwardto this guy next season. I edited
that show maybe four hours later.I edited that show today, Grant,
and I made sure to cut thatpart. What no, uh no,

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I had it. It sounds fine. Uh when does that portal close?
It's only open for like another week, right, it's only open for a
week. I think, Well,it's a two week portal, two week
portal. Win just opened yesterday.I think, Oh, okay, so
we just opened yesterday. I thinkit. I think it ends the end
of this month. Caden and theportal, by the way, Yeah,
that's surprise. It doesn't make senseto me, Like it's post springball,

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so you're gonna show up at yournew school with three weeks of camp and
maybe you start playing. I don'tI don't understand the I don't understand the
first one either. It's you're stillplaying ball, like you're you're opening free
agency in the middle of your season. It's like after the conference championships,
right, yeah, December seventh orsomething. Yeah, it's like, hey,

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let's we made it to a bowlgame. But if I want to
transfer, even if I wanted toplay in the ball game, I can't
because if I don't transfer now,then I'm going to lose my seat at
the table and all the good spotsare going to be filled up. Neither
neither window seems logical. I mean, the only thing I get. And
I talked to a few teams about, like why is it this window?
Like, well, we have toget them enrolled, Like we got to

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make sure they can get They're stillstudent athletes, so we have to make
sure they can get admitted, accepted, and enrolled by the time the semester
starts on January sixth or whatever itis, if they found a new team.
Because and the way they do thisnow, I love how openly they're
just breaking rules. Yeah, they'renot afraid of They're not afraid of anyone.

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People go into the portal with ado not contact Tag. That is
saying I've already made contact. Mmhm, I have a plan and that's
not legal, no, unbelievable anyway, we're just blatantly putting that out there,
like that's what Proctor. Proctor enteredthe portal today. Everyone already knew
this, but officially entered the portaltoday because it was the day it opened

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up. And it's he's got todo not contact TAG on there. Well,
if he's if no one contacts himand we're doing this above board here,
how is he going to find anew team? But sure enough,
he'll find a new team. Imean, he's going just back to Obama
to be a crimson, right,But like any other guy, Like,
how would they find someone if you'renot going to contact them? I mean,
I think I think the the onlythe only way you could get around

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that is say I have an agent, my agent shopping me to the teams
that I've stamped off on. Isuppose. But your a for NIL.
So like, but if you're ifyou're in the portal, I mean,
if you're in the portal, Imean NIL is negotiating with the collectives.
Yeah, why why can't the portaljust always be open? Is there,
Like, is there a good reasonwhy the portal isn't just always open?

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I think coaches would shoot themselves givenhow crazy it is, Like, yeah,
I mean in the portal the nextday. Yeah, like middle of
the season. You you wouldn't beable to coach guys like you piss off
a guy like think about all thetimes we got screamed at, right,
all the times you walked into yourlocker room like that guy right, like,
and then a week later, aftereverything was fine, you're like,
okay, I realized what was happening, or even a month later when things

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pulled down, like in a today'ssociety of I hate this, I want
out, guys would be bouncing portalhop all the time. That would be
kind of funny. You walk intothe locker room, you walk past the
guy's you just hear him go,I'm getting the I'm done, I'm in
the portal. Bro. He wason his phone. Yeah, just giving
the Antonio Brown as he's running outof the running out of the locker room.

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I suppose you would have that.But I mean, and I know
it, I know you can't lookget it this way, But man,
if you've got guys like that,you don't even want those guys on the
team anyway. I mean, it'snot it's different, dude. Today's era
is just different, right, It'sit's a what have you done for me?
I used to say it about theNFL, like from the from the
NFL side, So what have youdone for me lately? League? Unfortunately,

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that's what it's turned into for collegefootball, of what are you the
school done for me lately? Right? And that's that's what this collision course
of NIL and transfer portal has putus at and COVID year, right.
I think that's another big thing nota lot of people are talking about is
the fact that you can graduate fromyour school and then be like, let's

(27:38):
go ring the cash register one timebecause I have this sixth year I wish
I could, right, And nextyear, let me tell you this,
the draft next year is going tobe bananas because we so this year's draft
is actually historically poor. Like thetop top, top one hundred are always

(27:59):
going to be the top hundred,right, very good. The bottom one
fifty not a very good draft becauseof the COVID year nil and kids going
back to school. So I havefourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round
grades that should be coming out becausethey're gonna get drafted. But they're like,
I'd rather stay in school, maketwo hundred fifty k next year.
I'd rather stay in school, makethree hundred k guaranteed next year. So

(28:21):
they're doubling up the and the nextyear bottom talent of next year. Well,
also, next year is the lastyear of the COVID year. Can't
right for that all the sixth yearguys, but you also have all the
kids that came in that didn't havea COVID year, the fifth year,
all the fifth years of twenty twentyone, correct, So you're gonna have
all the years plus your third year. But now you're this year, you're

(28:45):
gonna see guys that should be freeagents that get drafted in the sixth Oh,
good for them. Next year you'regonna see dudes that have fourth fifth
round grades that get on that goundrafted. Wow, because there's not enough
spots right. And as an agent, it puts you, I don't know
why my computer does that. Ihate and you're not the old point.
I mean that makes sense. Yeah, but like my as an agent,
it's going to be very interesting howwe as a group and how every Agentcy

(29:08):
approaches this right, because you haveprice points for when you look at a
guy and say, hey, Ithink that guy's a mid rounder. Here's
my initial investment in him. Butnext year you have to go, is
he a bona fide fifth rounder andis he a bona fide fourth round or
is he one of these dudes thatmight fall through the cracks and become a
free agent And I just invest inwhat I assume to be getting my money
back from a fourth round pick kindof guy. Right, So there's an

(29:30):
economic side that's going to come intoit next year that's gonna be really fascinating
how agencies handle it. So doyou see like say, like there's a
bunch of guys who get drafted infifth, sixth round this year that had
no business getting drafted. Do yousee like those a bunch of those guys
getting cut next year? Yeah?I do. I think we'll see the
most turnover next year the twenty twentyfive draft. Like, there's gonna be

(29:56):
a lot of turnover from the twentytwenty four draft of guys that were on
practice squad or bottom ends of rostersthat'll just get cut for the new crop
of kids coming in next year,just off talent. The tight end class
this year dog shit right. Thelinebacker class horrible, the running back class
terrible. Like the edge rusher classafter the top guys not very good.

(30:18):
Like, it's just not a supertalented draft. And you're gonna see a
lot of teams trying to trade picksthis year to try and get out of
I want next year's picks. Iwas gonna say that that's the move,
then, right, Like, that'sthe move, Get like a couple one
through three round picks and then tryand move and then try and get your
four, five, six, andseven traded for value. Yeah, I

(30:38):
mean if like trade up, tradeup, if you can right package up
a six, five, six,seven to move up into three. Yeah,
and that type of thing, Like, yeah, see what you can
do this year. Wow, thatcould be interesting. Actually, it'll be
fascinating. I'm super it'll be supersuper interesting. Tell us, tell us

(30:59):
about the Searles F class you gotcoming out and from your repue. Yeah,
you know, so we got fourWe got four dudes this year,
not quite as big as we wouldhave liked, but we took some big
swings at some big kids this year. We took second on Joe Alt,
which stabbed right to the heart.You know, we were right there right
into the finish line. It wasbetween US and CIA. He ended up

(31:21):
going with CIA. We took They'remassive, right, I mean, they're
they're as big as big can get. We took second on Jackson Powers Johnson
out of Oregon, who's going tobe the top center off the board,
right, So we were we wereright there with a lot of We took
some big swings and we beat outa lot of agencies. But as it
works in this business, second placeis just first loser, right, and

(31:45):
you know, so we ended upwith Christian Boyd out of Northern Iowa,
who non combine invite. He's beenon thirty fifteen thirty visits, right,
so he's been flying all over thecountry. Uh, he's actually finishing up
this week. We got an alignmentfrom North Dakota State, an alignment from
Liberty, and then we have noalignment from Old Augustana there in South Dakota.

(32:05):
So four guys I think the NFLprospect huh yeah, yeah they did.
He's big, six six three ten, right, you can't teach size,
but he just needs some coaching.We got him in our system,
so you know, it's it's Ithink three of the four have a really
solid chance of getting drafted, whichwould be a good year for us.
But just building already, starting onnext year's class and recruiting and going the

(32:25):
whole bit, so the cycle neverreally stops here. How do you find
a dude in Augustana? Watch tape? Right? I mean all I do
is in the fall, Dude,I'm just taped to my eyes bleed and
that's why I had to buy theseglasses. I was getting like creshure headaches.
Can you can? You? So? Great question? Grant? Expanding
off of that, how do youwhat's the process? Roughly because you're not

(32:49):
going to detail every single interaction orpiece of it, but what is the
process for you? Watching tape?You're sitting there, it's October, the
second weekend in October. You finda guy on tape, You're like,
dang, that's the second or thirdtime he's popped up over these first five
or six games. I think that'sa guy that we would like to go
after. We'd like to represent him, maybe see if we can't partner with

(33:10):
him from that moment. What doesthe process look like to let's say he
does eventually sign with you guys,Yeah, what are the steps in there?
Well, so usually do you DMhim on Instagram? That's that's honestly
the number one way. But really, if you're looking at a guy in
October, it's probably too late.Right, I'm watching tape. Well,

(33:34):
I'm watching tape in October for thejuniors, okay, right, majority of
the majority of the recruiting is January, February, March, and April like
leading up. So like, forexample, I'll pick I'll pick the kid
that I'm talking to now from LSU. Right, there's a kid from LSU
that I targeted two years ago thatwas a freshman right playing as a freshman.

(33:57):
I was like, this dude's goingto be a dude, right,
because I was watching Austin Douklass who'snow with the Texans, and I was
like, hey, this dude popped. Put him in one of my little
databases and just kind of put astart next to him, like monitor,
right, so monitor him, monitorhim through his sophomore year blows up all
sec I'm like, all right,let's go to this kid, d M
him, right, you DM him? And it ordered borderline kind of stalker

(34:21):
like you just keep dming them,right, you like you like one of
his things. Initially you send areaction to maybe one of his posts.
Then you send a it's it's justthe name of the game. This is
quite literally. You're you're you're dating, you're quoting, you're quoting, you're
flirting on Instagram, right, You'reflirting, and then you just hope you
get a flair back. And thenas soon as you get a flair back,
it's game on. Right, Heyappreciate you getting back to me.

(34:45):
Right, and then it's like,hey, let's get a zoom call set
up. And sometimes they're like,yeah, sounds great. Sometimes they're like,
hey, call my dad, right, and so then you pivot,
you go to see mom and dad, and then you get the zoom call
set up. Initially with all thepartners, right, me, myself,
Zach, get the partners about anhour, go through what we do,
how we're different. Then you haveto okay, the next touch point,
I want to get him in infront of our O line trainer, right,

(35:05):
Alex boone, right, ten yearvet trains, all my old linemen.
Get him in front of him anotherzoom call. Right, that goes
well, then it's like, okay, hey, how about an in person
meeting right this summer, right JuneJuly. How about we come down and
we meet in person, because Ithink there's something to be in today's era
of Hey, look me in theeye, shake my hand, see that
I'm another six to six human beingjust like you. Yeah for sure,

(35:27):
right yeah, And so you goget some dinner, hang out, meet
him on their turf, and thenyou lead that into the season. And
this is where I mean a littlebit of the secret sauce is out.
But we then are able to doso much more than the other agency because
of our ability to watch tape withthe player. Hey, I'm now watching
this tape through a scout size andnot being afraid to call a player out

(35:50):
and be like, hey, dude, you're not getting your backside handed on
that reach, right, Hey,you're opening too much in your set,
which is why you're getting beat acrossyour face and giving up that sack right,
constructive criticism, And that's not ina bad way of just saying,
like, the scouts see this,right, Like your coach might not say
anything about it because you're the guyand he's got seventeen dudes in the room.
But I'm trying to help you growthat eighty five percent of what's going

(36:10):
to get you drafted. We're goingto crush the fifteen percent in the pre
draft process, there's no doubt aboutthat. But eighty five percent of what's
getting you drafted is what you dobetween the Y lines, and so you
build that relationship with them, andthen eventually December one is when the pressure
really starts ratching it up, becauseDecember one, after the regular season closes,
when everyone starts making decisions. Yeah. Right, So now it's Hey,
do I need to come see you? Do I need to meet with

(36:32):
you in person? Again? DoI need to meet with you on the
phone? Do you want to zoom? What do you want to do?
And he's trying to start closing dudes, And that's where you take gut punches
in this business, because you'll betalking to a guy, like I just
said, since January, right,twelve months Joel. I talked to Joel
for twelve months, and then ittook all but one phone call for that
all to be gone. Could putright, Hey, man, appreciate everything

(36:52):
you've done. The worst dreaded wordsin our business. I'm going a different
direction, right, and that's it. You don't get an answer to why.
You don't get an answer to howcome what didn't I do? What
could I have done better? Likeit's just say I'm going with someone else,
Okay, thanks, No different thanwhen you're calling a coach that was
recruiting you, Hey, I'm goingto different schooldred percent. It's exactly what

(37:14):
it is, right, and soyou get a lot of gut punches.
But then when you get the guysthat say yes, it's fantastic, and
then often rolling into the pre draftprocess. But it's about a year.
It's about a year cycle that youspend time, energy, effort money to
go visit them, right that youmay get nothing back from that. What's
how big of a net do youguys try to cast? Like when you're

(37:36):
like looking for a class to signs, like obviously you can't go after you
know, two hundred guys, butyou know, yeah, an ideal world,
I think we'd like to sign anywherebetween eight to twelve as a group,
right, so anywhere in there youhave three guys at your interest four.
We have four guys right now.Ideally we'd like to get up to

(37:57):
where we have thirty dudes under thetrack the agent. Yes, yeah,
three of us, three registed agents, okay, right, And so ideally
we'd like to get where we havethirty guys on contract in the NFL,
right, so about ten apiece rightnow, we're eight, right, So
after this class, hopefully closer upto twelve, twelve to thirteen, right,
and so just start building that overtime because that's going to be a
constant, revolving number. Right.You have guys that play ten years,

(38:19):
guys that play two years. Yeah, right, So just trying to stock
that up as best you can.But yeah, we try and cast a
net out of signing eight to twelvea year, and sometimes it's going to
be last year it was seven,this year was four, and then hopefully
next year is closer to ten oreleven. How many do you like,
do you target that you're not goingto go I twenty try to get half
of them or yeah. So talkingwith Chris Giddings, who's my business partner's

(38:44):
been agent for twenty seven years,he says, you need to have about
a three to one ratio. Sure, so if we want to sign,
if I want to sign ten alignment, I need to be talking about thirty
of them going into the season.Wow, right, because guys start falling
off for a they don't like talkingto you, or they don't play well.
Right, because it's very easy.We do the same things sometimes.
Right. Sometimes we're we're on aguy and then he's not playing well and

(39:07):
you kind of slowly have to startfading to black. And then all of
a sudden they circle back around atthe end of the year and they're like,
hey, man, what's up.And it's like no one's calling you
anymore, and you're the one.You're the one, and then it's like
we're going in different directions. Well, what we usually say is, hey,
we'll represent you, but we can'tinvest any money, right, like,
well, yeah, there's no yeah, there's no there's no risk.

(39:27):
We'll we'll invest in you, we'llhelp you, we'll do all like time
wise, but monetarily, we can'tgive you anything in X y Z reason
why from here's what the scouts say, here's what the graad is, like,
I'm not gonna lie to you know, you didn't play great like we've
had We've had a few of thosethat those conversations suck, But that's just
the nature of what this world isof This isn't a charity, this is
this is real money. This isthis is high stakes at the gate,

(39:50):
at the table. Uh how manyhow often you have players come to you
like looking for representation. I getemails every day, yeah, really,
yeah, every single day because that'sall I mean agencies out there. Yeah,
but I mean a lot of itis the kid from Northwest Missouri state
that because every NFL, every NFLagent is on the NFLPA site there all

(40:14):
and so like guys will just gothrough and mass email blasts with a link
to their huddle or a link totheir their exos page or whatever. You
were literally like a college coach recruiting, like there's some guys that you were
going after, and there there's forevery one of those guys, there's one
hundred that are trying to get youto look at them. Yeah. Absolutely,
And I mean there's about nine hundredregistered agents, seven fifty to nine

(40:36):
hundred at any given time, andthere's really only a fifteen hundred active NFL
players, right, So like there'sthere's a lot of agents, not a
lot of spots. And you're tellinglike Drew Rosenhausier, athletes first probably represent
five hundred of those guys, right, so like those crazy dude he's got
He's got like one hundred clients andthey all have like a cell phones.

(40:59):
Yeah, I mean it's a Idon't know how he does it, I
really do. I'm pretty sure herepresented Desmond. He was at he was
at the facility. He loses,he loses a lot of clients, I
mean guys. I mean, becauseif you're not one of his big time
guys, you don't get much attention. Yeah, but like that's I mean,
but a lot of what he doesis he's a notorious poacher, right,

(41:19):
He's a notorious poacher. He'll dothings like reach out to guys before
free agency and be like, hey, you should be getting X y Z
money, which is a heavily inflateddollar amount compared to what they probably should
get. And he's like, hey, if your agent can't get you that,
call me. And then his agent'slike, dude, you're not worth
twelve million, You're worth seven,right, And he's like, well,
I think I'm worth twelve And thenhe can't find him a twelve million dollars

(41:39):
deal, and then he fires himand he goes to Rosenhause and then Roseen's
like, ah, I could havegot you that. I can't now because
all the spots are taken. ButI can get you a seven seven or
seven and a half. And thenyou lock him in and it's like,
oh, well shit, I couldhave got him that, right. That's
a big game that agents play quiteoften. Wow, that's crazy. Firo
An agent, anytime, send mean email, Send hi an email five

(42:01):
days later, sign a new one. Can I hire you as my agent?
I think I have a chance toplay you got you got a chance?
You want to get back into thelong snapping game. That's a long
snapper class this year? Uh?Not great? Got great? We were
a long snapper from twenty twenty oneor twenty twenty two, still banging.

(42:22):
He went to Honor did Z Hoonnorcamp again and it looks like you may
get a mini camp invite this year. So dude, long haul for those
dudes, those dudes are you gotto have a lot of fight in you.
I would not have had the fightthat my long snapper has. I'd
have thrown in the towel a longtime ago. I didn't even get a
chance to fight. Yeah, well, clue, So I want to ask

(42:42):
you this. If a guy doesn'thave an agent, what are his chances
like even if he is like,Clue, you didn't have an agent,
did you? Yeah? And Ihonestly it was it was one of those
things where looking back, like Ishould have found one, I didn't know
where to go. I had noinformation on the process or like I didn't
even know where to start. Uhquite honestly, keV like there was at

(43:05):
one point. I think I rememberone weekend I was just bored during that
spring, and I was gonna likehit you up because you had that friend
from Chicago or whatever that's uh thatlike my brother, Yeah, he represented
your brother, And I was justgonna be like, yo, could he
be my agent too? Just likebut I you know, I never said
anything, and I I'm sure hewould have, right, and I know

(43:27):
and I know Casey was uh Caseyhad an agent, but I had talked
to Casey about it and he's like, you know, quite honestly, if
you do well, the pro dayteams will get your contact information, which
they did. Several did call andgot the contact information, so it's not
like they didn't have it right theywould have been calling me instead of an
agent. I just don't think anyonewas interested. They just I wasn't big

(43:50):
enough. They just didn't care.Do you like, will they take you
less seriously if you don't have anagent. Probably, I mean it's harder.
It's harder for them to gather information. Yeah, right, Like it's
harder for them to truly understand andall. And it's a sign of like,
hey, someone else wanted him,sure, right, and so it's
like if someone else wanted to signhim, that must mean he's kind of
a guy. Yeah, yeah,I probably I probably screwed it up on

(44:14):
with that. Maybe if I hadn't. Here's the one thing I think,
if I had an agent, therewould have at least been someone in that
free agent process of Okay, draft'sover, no one's really calling me,
Like, at least at that point, if I have an agent, he
might be able to make a fewcalls to get me into a mini camp.
Yeah. I mean we've done that, right, We've mass spammed at

(44:36):
the end of the draft of likehey we got a fullback or we all
long stapp you got any chance fora mini camp, but we've got Yeah,
we'll take one. Cool, thankyou. Yeah, And that's where
that's where we have contacts, right, Yeah, like I can our agency
can get like that two that thirtytwo calls. We split up. We
had it done in fifteen minutes.Yeah, right, because you just have
the contacts of the right people tocall within each organization, which when you're

(44:59):
a player that don't have agent,you got none of that. Yeah,
I didn't have anything. It wasit was if nobody calls me and gives
me a shot, there's one hundredpercent chance that I'm not making it into
a mini camp, whereas or thatI'm not making it in the NFL at
all. There's still a ninety eightpercent chance as a specialist that if you
get a mini camp invite, you'restill not going to make it. But

(45:20):
there's at least a chance. Versusthe Packers and the and the Niners call
me the Thursday or the Wednesday beforethe draft, they're like, Hey,
just want to make sure we gotyour information for draft day. Oh,
we liked what we saw on ProDay, YadA, YadA. Those two
teams are radio silent after the draftends, and it's like, all right,

(45:42):
well, guess I'm gonna hang upthe cleats and coach CrossFit then,
because I don't know where to gofrom here, and so I think that's
my one regret keV is, yeah, I probably should have had an agent
to just like, at that pointin time, then fight for me to
get in somewhere, because I try. I believe in my heart that if
I would have gotten in front ofpeople, I would have been able to

(46:05):
prove that my size was not anissue and my snapping was not two forty
three. It wasn't the best tooforty three. It was a sloppy two
forty three. However, it wasstill a more athletic to forty three than
seventy percent of the guys in theleague. But it's I mean, I'll
say the snappers different. Like wehave the Packers like, hey, we

(46:25):
want our snapper to be two fiftyfive. Yeah, and that's that's the
issue. But then the Raiders.But then the Raiders are like, well
we want them at two thirty five. We want an athletic guy that can
run. And so like, youget where were the Raiders at? You
get stuck in this rock and ahard place. Like the Packers and the
Raiders if they both want you tocome to the rookie mini camps, Like
dude, I can't swing fifteen poundsin a week, Yeah, right,

(46:49):
like it doesn't it doesn't work likethat well, and that's yeah, and
that that would have been that wouldhave been the issue because realistically, like
I would have had to have playedat like two thirty uh so that you
know the team that but there's there'sguys out there. There's guys that have
a starting spot one of the thirtytwo right now, that way two twenty

(47:09):
five to thirty two thirty five,Like, there are guys in that range.
They're generally six two sixty three.Yeah, they're long, and they're
long and and they can stick theirarms out and prevent other two hundred and
forty two hundred and fifty pound dudesfrom running through on pat field goal.
I would have had some limitations therea little bit, but I would have

(47:30):
gotten it done. I know fora fact, would have the would there
have been a spot, what teamwould have got me a you know,
there's still a high chance that Irun into like a Morgan Cock situation.
They're like, yeah, we haveMorgan Cox, so you're not coming in
to snap for us, even ifyou don't do anything wrong. But yeah,

(47:50):
it's it's cool. I run apodcast. Hey man, pod Life's
fun. I enjoy it. It'sway less stressful it is. It's I
I really love our our podcast thatwe launch, Like it's just fun to
get on talk about dumb shit andit's like, wow, people actually like
to listen to what you say sometimes. Yeah, it's cool. That's how
we feel every time we got onthe microphone, every single time. Going

(48:12):
back to the investment in a guy. Yeah, you start that process,
you start courting them. You're like, hey, like what you're doing,
great game this weekend, YadA,YadA. Finally you get to the point
where it's like, all right,I think I want to sign with you
guys, Like, let's make thishappen. Cool. Great, what is
one of the tiers? You don'thave to divulge your specific agencies money at

(48:35):
that point, but like maybe youeven know, like what's Rosenhause spending on
a top guy? Yeah you know, so I can I can say with
pretty good certainty I know that likeathletes first in CIA and like the big
Rosenhouse, the big sports agencies,they'll give guys that they think are top,
like first round picks. They'll givethose guys two hundred and fifty three

(49:00):
hundred thousand dollars just to sign withthem, right, just as like a
signing bonus, Holy shit, whichis an advance, right, say,
hey, this is an advance,but they're going to give it to them
on January first. Wow. Right. And so that's that's always the fights
you're fighting when you're going after thetop dogs, because they have all the
money, unlimited resources. Right.We've like CIA's got the baseball division and

(49:23):
the athlete like the actor's division.I was going to say, CIA does
like move everything. Yeah, theydo everything right, So they have unlimited
funds. And so like you're battlingwith those type of guys when you're talking
about the upper rounder first second,guys like those dudes are always going to
like be threatened with bags of cashslid across the table. That's incredible.

(49:44):
I find it interesting though, Imean I know it's just like human natures,
like I want my money now.Was like, what are you going
to do with a quarter million dollarsin like the two and a half months
before you sign something dumb? Right? I mean I was thinking like like
a building. I was thinking backto our spring clues, Like our senior

(50:05):
class was training in Iowa City insteadof somewhere. You want to know what
I would have living in their collegehouse with their roommates paying the same,
like getting free food stills, Likewhy do you need even ten thousand dollars?
Like I'll just wait three months andthen I'll take my signing bonus as
keV, I have one rebuttal there, Yeah, I got, I know,

(50:28):
I know, I know. It'sit's naiven short sighted. People want
their money now, Yes, butdo you know how many v bucks and
gems we could have bought on classof clans with two hundred and fifty k?
Yeah, next town hall fifteen.So theyre's they're giving them hundreds of
thousands of signing bonus signing bonuses slash, and they hide it behind the term

(50:50):
marketing advance. And then they alsoare doing, hey, here's a massage
every week. Here's yeah, andthen and then then you pay for their
training wherever they go. Right.So that's that's the different the different world
of like the elites. That's thetop level, right, that's the elite
top level. Now you say likemid rounders, right, mid rounders,
there's definitely different tiers, right,the going tier to sign a draft pick

(51:15):
is room and board and stipend aroom and board and full pay for their
training. Right, So you're gonnasend them to a training facility for eight
weeks, You're gonna pay for theirliving, and you're gonna pay for their
food, and you're gonna pay fora car or pay to get their car
there wherever the facility may be.Then on top of that, you probably
have to also give them a monthlyliving stipend. Right, So you have

(51:37):
to say, I'm sending you toMinneapolis from sending you to Florida to train,
but I also need you to keepyour house in whatever city you're in,
So you've got to pay rent,right, You have bills to pay,
maybe you have a car insurance,Like, you've got to be able
to pay life. So you haveto have the conversation of what that looks
like, because I'm not just givingyou money to give you money, like,

(51:59):
it has to be keeping you.And then that stipend is usually for
four months leading all the way upto the draft, right. So that's
kind of like platinum tier, right, And that's just the going rate for
any agency that wants to sign adraftable player. You start getting more in
the PFA range than even for us, Like you're, hey, you're probably
gonna go. That's how competitive itis. That's how yeah, that's how

(52:19):
competitive it is right now. Andthe issue with some of this stuff is
young guys or new agencies will getinto this business and they just want to
sign clients, and so they'll offerthat package to a preferred free agent,
right, and so then that justbumps everyone else's price up, right,
because you're looking at if you're ajunior and you look at your buddy that's

(52:40):
a senior ahead of you, andyou know he's a PFA and he's talking
about all the stuff he got.Well he's like, well, I'm supposed
to be a mid rounder, soI should get at least double that,
right, right, And like soit just it just constantly elevates and escalates
the price of which it takes tosign a player. That's crazy. Well
with you know, everyone who's gotdraft grade item is probably making decent nil

(53:01):
money these day and age, Yeah, does that not kind of temper their
need or want? The jury's stillout on that. The jury is still
out on that. You know,it's it's hard to tell as of right
now. Of does that help ordoes that hurt? Because I think for
some guys it inflates what they feeltheir self worth is right, It's like

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I made two million dollars in college, So like, what are you paying
me? Right? Like? Thisis what I'm worth, right, this
is the price of what I feellike is worth. If you want to
work with me, what are youpaying me? But do they understand that
this is an upfront advance of ontheir salary, Like you're paying all that

(53:42):
money back? Right? Well?Maybe right? Maybe maybe it is.
Maybe it's I mean, some guys, in order to sign, we have
to say, no, this ismy investment in you. Right, you
make it, I'll get my moneyback through or three percent? You don't
you tried hard? Right? ThatThat is part of what can make or
break signing a guy too, ishey, is this an advance on?

(54:05):
Is this a loan? Or isthis your investment? Right? Like,
there's two different there's two different waysthere, right, And I mean,
and everyone has the caveat Like ifyou fire me within the first year,
then I'm obviously coming after you formy money. Yeah, Like you don't
just use my money and then fireme and go to someone else. But
you know, so like that's kindof the going rate to sign guys,
and then for the pfas and thelower guys, sometimes it'll be like,

(54:27):
hey, i'll cover your training,but that's it, right, Like,
hey, i'll cover training, orI'll cover your housing. Right, you
have to get yourself there. Youhave to put your like, you have
to train. Whatever the dollar costis, you got to pay for that
to be the training. But I'llpay to put you in a hotel or
I'll throw you in an Airbnb withthe other boys or whatever it might be.
You guys can share a car,right or then there's kind of the

(54:49):
lower tier level, which is like, hey, I like you, I
think you're a long shot. Ithink I can help you. I can't
invest anything in you, right,like just financially, it doesn't it doesn't
make sense. Or you can say, hey, i'll split it with you.
Right there's there's a tons of differentways that you can skin this cat
and look at it, you know, but it really just gets up once
you get into the draft pick dudes, it's so competitive. So yeah,

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so if you've got a draft pickguy and he's not a first he's not
Cooper Degene, that's crazy that Ithat now, I know that Cooper's probably
got like one hundred grand just signwith I have no idea. You know,
you got a draft pick guy,and you're like, Okay, this
guy's going to go on the thirdor fourth, and so it's like it's

(55:37):
it's a it's a good investment onyour part, yep. To pay for
that training, pay for his travelout there, pay for his meals.
What is that full package average runfor four months or whatever? The the
eight weeks of training and then thestipend up through April? Like, what
is what is the average? Yeah? I think was it fifty k?

(55:58):
Between twenty and fifty depending on whereyou send them, right. And the
other piece, you guys, that'sthe other piece of this is if your
first, second, third, it'susually one percent, two percent, three
percent, right. So not onlyare you paying these dudes a shit ton
of money on the front end,you're only charging a one percent of their
contract, of their rookie deal ifthey're a first rounder, right, or

(56:21):
if they're a top ten. Iknow some agencies are like, hey,
I'm only charging you point twenty fivejeez, right, because you're betting for
the second contract, and that's whatyou're going to drop. That's that you're
betting that you're you're betting that ifyou're a first rounder, you're getting a
mega second contract. And guess whatthat right there, my friends, is
three percent, And that's because we'regoing to work for that money, right,

(56:42):
And I think that that's actually fair. Like, if you're a first
rounder, you were really good incollege, right, an agent might be
able to help you go from twentyone to eighteen or eighteen to thirteen,
right, But like how much weactually can do for a twenty pick.
I don't think it's fair to chargea guy three percent on a signing bonus
of twenty million dollars when he wasjust really good in college. That's true,

(57:07):
Yeah, because you're doing you're doingless. There's just less ceiling.
There's there's less that become like industrystandard. Then it's like first round draft
picker one percent or less, dependingon where the drafts is. Like I
know guys, I know guys that, oh yeah, one percent of twenty
million sign me upright, But like, yeah, I know that it's now
even gotten so competitive at the topthat it's like, hey, top five

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is point twenty five, top tenis point five, like ten to twenty
is point seventy five and then twentyto thirty two is one percent, and
that is used as that's used asa competitive tactic from the agencies capitalism,
man supplied demand. And if you'reCAAA, you know you can weather that
storm. Yeah, right, youcan weather that storm of Hey, I'm

(57:51):
going to take a bath on thiskid's first contractor maybe I'll break even,
right, like, based off onfour years of his first round contract.
After year four, I'll probably breakeven on the amount of money I've spent
on him. But then if heturns out to be a stud and he's
the first left tackle take and atseven overall and then four years he signs

(58:12):
a four year, one hundred milliondollars deal, Tristan, Now you're like,
I just made three million dollars,right, So like that's the betting
game. Tristan signs for one hundredand twenty five or whatever he signs for,
and yeah, it promised you hisagent made three percent of that because
you work your ass off for that, right, free agency, that's where
you that's where you make your moneyas an agent. That's also where you

(58:35):
prove your worth is an agent.Yeah, like you prove your worth of
being able to negotiate and make surethe language is right, and make sure
you're getting as much guaranteed money aspossible, and make sure the protections are
in there, and the workout bonusesand then the escalators and the uh you
know you talk about like Pro Bowlbonuses. Those type of things all factor
into what you negotiate in and out. I feel like more and more guys

(58:57):
are signed their second contract with theteam that they're drafted by. Is that
maybe accurate or in the top threerounds? Yeah? Right, like if
you And that's part of why whenpeople whind about like people being old,
right, it's like Michael Pennix orbo Nix. Right, they're like,
he's twenty five. Like, ifI draft him in the first I'm only
getting four years out of him.I'm not gonna be able to get the

(59:21):
eight year, nine year, tenyear starting quarterback that I want. Versus
a guy like Caleb Williams who's twentyone years old, and you're like,
I hope he's a Chicago Bear forthe next twelve years. And then he's
only thirty two. Right. That'swhere the age factor comes in when you
talk about some of the top roundersbecause guys don't want to just draft a
first rounder for four years. Theywant him there for their career. Wow,

(59:42):
that's really That's another thing. Imean. At the same time,
so you get drafted at twenty five, twenty six, you're really getting up
there is actually insane. You're playingcollege football leaguear before. Here's a kid
in Kentucky on his seventh year.Right now, the king in Miami has
a ninth year. He's had fourteeninjury years, and like a it's gonna

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be a doctor. I honestly,if he's not, like what the fuck
happened? But no, like saylike a non quarterback comes out at like
twenty five that that probably is likea little bit more like you know,
like maybe at six to seven goodyears on them. Yeah, like a
quarterback, like you can if youget ten good years out of quarterback,

(01:00:27):
I think you use a franchise callthat winder. Yeah you can good quarterback
football and say you're thirty five product. And the mid rounders in the mid
rounds is not as big of adeal, right like rounds four, five,
sixty seven. The age doesn't playbecause at those guys you're betting you're
just getting there four years or maybeeven two or three, and then they're
either going to fiddle out and fadeout, or you're going to release them
and replace them with someone younger.And you're not gonna you're not going to

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eat a massive financial investment like youare in the first first three rounds,
right, or sound like a midsize contract like years, or you're like,
okay, you developed into a goodrole player. Maybe you're a spot
starter. Hey, you're gonna bea two year for eight million buck guy,
sweet, sign me up. Mostof those guys are happy to take
that on. Huh, there's somuch there's so much shit involved in this.

(01:01:15):
Oh, it's it's it's why Ilove it, Like it's so it's
super fun, right, it's superfun. I can't I can't wait to
get my first class to free agency. Right, that's that's where at and
that'll be in two years. Right. Cordell Wolson, my starting guard for
the Bengals, started as a rookie, started as a second year going into
his third year, right, Likeif he can start for four years now,

(01:01:37):
we're looking at I mean, someof these guards this year made twenty
twenty one a year, right like, and now you're looking Okay, So
if you're that kind of caliber,you're looking for anywhere between fifteen to twenty
a year, the salary CAP's goingto go up another ten to twenty million
over the next couple of years.Now it starts getting fun. Wow,
keV. We might have mentioned thislast time, but throughout the process,

(01:02:00):
the reverse engineering of that is youand I really need to just open up
a training facility for these draft prospects. They rake us over the cols because
these these these agents are just gonnapay us. We don't have a choice.
Ten thousand dollars a kid every springand all we need, well,
that'd be a bargain, my friend. Okay, twenty thousand dollars a kid.

(01:02:22):
You got is you got to dolike the old your government job.
He's like, you know, you'reyou're bidding out the job, but you're
not paying for it. So belike you get in with the recruit who's
like, I want you to choosethat guy. I want you to send
me training there with that guy.Ah, are just twenty thousand dollars.
Basically, we attach ourselves, Weget friends with the incoming the kids.

(01:02:45):
That's that's what they do. You'reyou're you're dead on Kevin. These gyms
have now started infiltrating that they usedto be they went through the agent.
Now they go to the kid andthey build a relationship. Hey, come
down to the summer right there?Did you come down train here for the
summer for free? Not a problem, right, just to see the and
they're oh, this is great,and yeah, man, this is awesome

(01:03:05):
down here, isn't it. AndI have a couple of the hot moms
with big kids walk by. You'reall like, this is great. And
then all of a sudden, likeall right, hey, December orold arounds
like hey, where you going togo? Train? You're like, oh,
I really like this place down inFlorida. It's awesome. Like oh,
what's the name of it? Ohit's x y Z. Oh okay,
let me call them. You callthem like, hey, I think
I'm gonna be working with this.What you got, oh you know for
that eight weeks will be twenty fivethousand dollars? Oh okay. And then

(01:03:30):
if he's a late round pick,you're like, well, I don't want
to spend twenty five thousand dollars Likethat's not that's not a smart investment.
Well one back at the end ofyour one, some one will right,
And so then you have to decideis it worth losing this kid over that
or not? Right? Is itworth losing this kid or is it worth
Hey, I have facilities I trustthat do a really nice job that are

(01:03:51):
closer to fifteen keV. It soundslike we could just start stealing from people.
Yes, oh, these these facilitiesare crooked. Also, we know
it is just who can send hispeople to us? Bring it on,
Hey, you give it to mefor cheaper, let's do it. Just
teach him how to do the underwearOlympics so stupid. I'm so dude,
I'm about done with I'm about donewith the lineman running forties, I'm about

(01:04:14):
done with the thing on. I'mwatching these dudes pop hammies at the combine
and I'm just like, what arewe doing? If it's so dumb?
I think it's the most entertaining ofthe position here. I like the d
line. Yeah, yeah, they'refast, that's yeah cool. Sweet.
Who doesn't want to watch Chris Jonesrundown in his cockfall out of us?

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Right? Yeah? I mean thed linemen are interesting because those are those
are more the freakazoids. Right,You're like, oh, yeah, that
dude's two hundred and seventy five poundsjust ran a four to six. That's
real. That's really really impressive,right, And then you're like, oh,
look at this six six, threehundred and twenty pound guy run a
five to two. Just everything he'sgot, right, just moves, just

(01:04:57):
going out, Yeah, just floppingin the wind. This year's classic alignement
was freaky though, super athletic class. You got dudes running like four nines
and three ten and it's it's nuts. Like I could be wrong with this,
but I feel like often the line, just like every other position,
is like we want to get faster, we want to get leaner, we
want to get faster. I meanthat's just where the NFL is these days.

(01:05:19):
Yeah, everyone's moving in this outsidezone scheme, right, Like very
few teams are Iowa esque of afull back twenty one personnel, twenty two
personnel, line up between the tackles, invite three linebackers onto the field,
and hey, you don't know aboutIowa actually wor spread offense. Now we
have tim Luster. Yeah that's truetoo, Right, I'm Drake's favorite guy.

(01:05:41):
A lot of a lot of presnap motion going on into springball in
Iowa City. Let you know,ask Luke Fickle how that worked out for
him up in Wisconsin last year.Rail Light gonna have shit on the Hawk
gys. Just let me know that. We'll see, We'll see, my
friends, We'll see. But fuckwhere we going with that? Oh?
Just like Oligne, dude, everyonehe talked to is like, Yeah,

(01:06:04):
we want to alignment that can run. We wanted to be able to stretch
and push and get to the secondlevel and get out in space. Because
so many teams are now with theplay boot action and all the pin pull
stuff, like, yeah, theywant everyone's looking for athletic big dudes that
can run. Yeah. I feellike that's happened to pretty much every position.
Like linebackers are no longer to fortify. Yeah, five right, Like

(01:06:28):
you've got to twenty five mike linebackersrunning, Like I gotta be able to
run with that running back. Igot to be able to run with these
these tight ends and stuff. It'sthe evolution of the game that we've seen
from when they used to run wingtea Like it just continues to get more
and more athletic. Yeah. Andbut like the NFL always self corrects,
right, it always self correct.So eventually one team that has massive offensive

(01:06:50):
rune, there's gonna be a runfor five yards. Yeah, there's gonna
be a team that eventually is like, all right, guess what the fullback's
back. Baby, you want tobe that two hundred twenty five pound linebacker,
we're running lead at you with Yeah, pat Riccard from the Raven fill
this gap real quick. Yeah,we're gonna double team the ship out of
your speedy three technique that can rushthe passer that's two sixty five, and

(01:07:12):
we're gonna double him. We're gonnalead up on your small linebacker and then
everyone will Yeah, everyone will switchback if you have success with it,
like everyone will start switching back,right, And that's I mean, you're
the outlier. Twenty nine other teamsare built to defeat the spread offense,
and like there's small, lean andcan run. It's like you're that one
big team Like, yeah, theymight they might stopping you. Yeah.

(01:07:34):
The the NFL always self corrects onceit feels like it's like paying quarterbacks.
Right after the Deshaun Watson and allthat, they were like whoa, let's
just let's let's rain this back herea little bit. Boys, like you
saw that you saw the self correctafter the Todd Gurley, right, that
was the death of the call,the death of the big running back payment.

(01:07:55):
Ye right, he screwed everyone,right, Like, so they always
find ways to self correct. They'resmart, they're billionaires with the capital b
Yeah, it'll next time, justlike anything else on the market. Uh,
how does it? One more question? I want to go back to
the investment into the guys, andagain you don't have to you can say

(01:08:16):
how people generally do it. Yeah, but how an agency like you guys,
you know you're not sitting on sevenmillion dollars worth of cash of like
hey, we could just spend thisthis little nest egg we got on all
these guys. How does that work? Is that coming from like your own
money? Is it agency money that'slike hey we got one hundred grand a
pool for this year that we cankind of like go off of or like

(01:08:41):
yeah, so every agency is different. Right. When you're the big agencies,
like you said, you have thebank internally, a lot of startup
agencies will have like capital guys thatwe have investment, Yeah, investors wow,
right, Like investors into the agencythat are like, hey, here's
here's what I'm willing to put in. Go sign the guys. I get

(01:09:03):
fifty percent or I get seventy percentback of whatever you make on the course
of this guy. I like thatthe NFLPA does do a nice job of
on the SRAS. You have todisclose who the payments go to, right
Like, if there's anyone else gettingpaid that from that player's cash, wherever
that money goes, you have todisclose where it goes to. So you

(01:09:25):
have to show your player, Hey, I'm paying there's someone else that's the
boss, right Like, cause Imay be the agent, but this dude
is the money and at the endof the day he makes the decisions.
Yeah. I mean I was fortunatelyenough to be blessed to play a long
time in the league and not haveto have an investor. Sure, you
know, be able to come outof my own pocket. Now, I
don't love doing that. We getit. So you're rich, bro,

(01:09:46):
not anymore pal right, four yearsinto this business. But you know it's
it's a nice thing. Is whyI wanted to own my own company.
It's why I wanted to own myown business. But you know, so
many dudes have just capital investors thatgo into it. But at the end
of the day, then they canstart telling you, Hey, I want
you to go recruit this guy,and you're like, but I don't think
he's very good. It's like,yeah, but I'm signing the check,

(01:10:09):
right, right, Like, sogo recruit this guy, like okay,
right, and so like there's justa lot of politics I can get to
be involved in that. Yeah,well, if you are consider it at
all dipping your toe into the nilagency, I was gonna ask about that
too. Yep. So we starteddoing that this year. We stayed out
of it initially just because it soundslike a cluster. It's a complete cluster.

(01:10:31):
It's a complete cluster, dude.But what we found is these collectives
were really taking advantage of these ofthese players, you know, and things
is simple agency such an agent,here comes the agent propaganda. But it's
not even as much about the moneyas much as it is the fine print.

(01:10:55):
Right, if you're a twenty oneyear old and you see six figures
on a dollar sheet, you don'tread the fine print. You're just like,
I'm gonna make two hundred grand wheredo I sign. But then as
I started helping some of these guys, like, hey, don't sign anything
until you let me review this contract, right, And then you start reading
things like determination clause reads either partycan terminate this clause at any time for

(01:11:21):
at any time without cause. You'relike, well, hold on, that's
not a contract, right, Likethat's that's you saying that you can get
this kid on campus. The portalwindow closes, and then you go,
ah see, we didn't we didn'traise enough money. It's now that two
hundred looks more like fifty, andnow he's stuck, right because maybe it's

(01:11:41):
his last year, yeah, onthe point, or or they back end
load it, right, they backand load it in a huge way.
And so obviously you try as anagent, like, hey, fight for
as much money up front, asmuch guarantees as possible, and you go
through like hey, what are thedeliverables all those things, But when there's
no government body and there's no CBA, there's no regulation of what is a

(01:12:05):
deliverable right because it's not pay toplay, right, air quotes, it's
not pay to play. They're supposedto be a deliverable right, Like,
hey, you're gonna make this muchmoney off of X amount of social media
posts, this many advertisements. You'llshow up to da da da da da.
But then as you start talking toteams, like some teams like,
oh, deliverable is just being eligibleokay. Another team is like, yeah,

(01:12:29):
deliverable is just posting once a monthon Instagram. Like there's no rule
that defines what a deliverable is,which is why people can get themselves in
situations like Iowa did, where CadenProcter says I want a hundred grand and
you say, okay, well thedeliverables. You just show up on campus
and you go to a basketball gameand we get to take a picture of
you ding. Deliverable money's in thepocket. There's no more back and forth

(01:12:55):
of how do I get that money? Because it can't necessarily be tied to
pay to play. We're actually goodon that. We made sure we didn't
lose one hundred grand. You didn'tno how much did you lose? I
think it was. I mean it, it wasn't a large amount. It
might have been five or ten grandfrom my high So the way that our
collective is set up is really smart. It's in two ways. It's got

(01:13:19):
two parts. One is by charitableand it's the main all of the public
money that comes in. So likesay you went to the Swarm Collective right
now and searles because you love theHawks and you love this, you love
going on our podcast. Right youwant to donate twenty five fifty one hundred
bucks to the Swarm Collective. Thatgoes into one pot. And the way

(01:13:41):
that the players earn that is byit's all set up. You have to
go and show up at an event. You have to go and something charity
wise, Yeah, something something charitywas Kin didn't do any of that.
It's a technically a nonprofit organization.Yeah. So the one hundred grand number
that you're referring to, which wasabout what we raised, I won't say
we the Swarm Collective raised in thatday where like we've heard, you know,

(01:14:04):
everyone's like, oh my god,Caden's coming to Iowa. He might
be coming to Iowa. Everybody throwyour money at this. All that money
went into the charitable charitable side,and he never saw any of it because
he wasn't on campus long enough todo a charitable uh. And we confirmed
that with head of the Swarm.We had him on a couple of weeks
ago. Nice. Now, theother side of that was the if you're

(01:14:24):
a private business and you're like,hey, I like this specific kid,
I own a truck dealership. Youwant a truck or you want whatever.
That money is its own individual likesingular deals. I think he did one
of those deals for a smaller amount. You think that's part of why he
left. Uh? From what Icould tell, he literally went on spring

(01:14:48):
break with his boys from Bama andthey were crew and yeah, they were
basically yeah, he's like, dude, I missed the boys, man and
a lot of things on spree break. You want to elaborate on that,
Kevin, It's just it's just notgood Man breaks spree Rik's not a good

(01:15:08):
time. Do you have any stories, keV? No? None, Okay,
but I agree. I think it'ssmart to set the collective up that
way. I do, right,and I Nebraska does it similar to where
we don't pay out we don't payout individual players. Like it's all based
off of like events you go to. Now, there's certain guys that will
be assigned more events than others.Yes, same, yes, right,

(01:15:31):
But that's just capitalism. At theend of the day. It is capitalism.
Right, it's the end of theday. It's but I mean,
the big thing that makes me wonderabout all this, and we talked about
this a little bit a lot oftexting, is like the pay to play
aspect, and when does that contractbetween the school and the athletes start coming
into play? Because I think that'sthe path in which we're headed. It's
gotta be right. The issue thenbecomes though, Once there's a contract between

(01:15:59):
school and player, there's now anemployee employer relationship. And the one thing
that comes with that is workers compAnd when you start talking about workers comp
you're talking about millions of dollars,a lot of money, millions of dollars.
Right, every single one of us, I'm sorry, I don't think

(01:16:20):
you played at Iowa, but everysingle one that played any type of college
football, we got hurt, right, we got hurt at one point in
time. Cluve, I don't know, maybe you didn't, but you probably
had an injury at one point intime. I went to the trainer one
time. My shoulder, like mybicep hurt bad. For like, well,
let's use Drake. This is aperfect example. Okay, let's use

(01:16:42):
Drake. Drake snaps his leg.Yeah, right, if you're being under
contract from Iowa, you will beawarded workers comp for that snapped leg.
Sure for a long time. Right, you could claim disability and he is
actually still disabled from this, right, But now you're saying that Iowa would
be paying Drake as his employer forhowever long he's now disabled, even after

(01:17:08):
he's gone, because he was anemployer or he was an employee of you.
How does the NFL do that?We just through the state, like
so like when I broke, like, we filed workers comp for everything.
Yeah, Like I when I bustup my ankle in Buffalo, I filed
workers camp through the state of NewYork and I got to pay out from
it right now and now Buffalo andnow neither the State of New York or

(01:17:30):
the bills who ever asked to payit is medically covered on my ankle for
life. Wow. Right, samein Minnesota for my knee. Right.
And every state has different workers complaws. The Blue States historically are the best
ones to get hurt in. Right. If you're gonna get hurt, go
get hurt in California. Go gowork for someone in California and get hurt.
You'll get paid a lot. Don'tgo to Michigan get hurt in Michigan

(01:17:55):
your toast right red state. It'slike a two week statue of limitation,
and like you have to report it, like and so there's rules to it.
But no one in the NCAA wantsto do a workers comp because you're
talking crazy amounts of money, andthat will be the fight to the death
that the teams and the NCAA willfight to not do the employee employer relationship.
Does that just come out of therevs share agreement? Though, like

(01:18:18):
say, like I don't know,like you're gonna get x percent, but
now we have to factor in theamount of workers comps that these schools are
gonna have to be paying. Sodo we just like lower it to I
don't know, from thirty percent revenueshare to twenty percent revenue share? You
could, yeah, I mean,it's it's just one of those things that
like it just becomes a whole othercan of worms. Right now the state's

(01:18:39):
involved, right, the state isnow involved in it. Like it's just
it's such a it's such a bigfight, right, which is why the
NCAA folded like a stack of potato. Gon The nil thing. Right,
They're like, we'll give them this, right, We'll give them this.
Let's not are entire sports. Youknow, it's the Wizard of Oz.
Don't pay attention to no, Noone pay attention to the man behind the
curtain, right. That man behindthe curtain is the workers confidence, fan

(01:19:02):
bases and donors. Ever get tiredof supplementing basically the schools. Oh for
sure, Yeah they do. keVI see it on That's all people complain
about on Twitter. Yeah, peoplehate it. Yeah, So I mean
like eventually, like I mean,it is college football better place if they
go to that model than what itis right now. It's no longer college

(01:19:23):
football, That's what I'm saying.Right, It no longer can be even
referred to as college football. Itis a feeder league for the NFL.
You are a professional athletes. Isit inevitable though? I think so?
So the problem is it's inevitable forthe Power five? But then what everyone
else that wanted to be a collegeathlete. I mean we have tons of

(01:19:44):
friends. I I have tons offriends that were good high school players that
went and played at Boise or wentand played at Wyoming or Mesa or whatever,
and played four years, got theircollege paid for, like played college
ball, and that was the endof it. If this transfers to this,
that's dead. Fuck them, that'sthat's dead. What's that, keV?

(01:20:05):
What's that? Dave Chappelle? Me? Is? Because why that's why
right now, I understand what you'resaying. I mean, yeah, and
also you open up. It's gotto be like a n c A wire
rule. And then I mean alsolike I don't know about I don't know
about Iowa, but like for Nebraska, without football, every other sport withers

(01:20:26):
and dies. Same there's there's likethree profitable school right, I mean,
like men's basketball would survive, women'svolleyball here in Nebraska would survive. Every
other sport is dead, zero money. Volleyball be just fine, and that's
really just fine. Yeah, justfine. But like my wife, she
was a soccer play at the universitythat that program's dead cut. Wrestling dead

(01:20:50):
cut? Like, so is thatworth? Does Title nine get involved there?
Somehow? Though? You'd have tosucceed from the n c double A.
That's the only way it couldn't beinvolved. NCAA is going to die
at some point. They're gonna die, like Title nine, Title nine wolf
whatever, and always be around unlessyou say, we are no longer associated
with the ncuble A. We arenow our own entity. That's what they
have to do, Like we arethe Power five Football League whatever you want

(01:21:14):
to call it, but we areno ways associated with the ncuble A.
Well, it's like, well thenhow are you still a student? So
next step further right, you're anemployee of the university. Are your student?
Are your student? Do you goto class? Like it's it's so
messy. Hey, buddy, Ididn't even go to class anyway. Huh,
it's so messy right now you're saying, oh, I'm paying this kid
eight million dollars, what are wegonna do make him ineligible if he doesn't

(01:21:36):
go to school? No? Right, you know what I mean? Like,
there's so many moving pieces that turninto this, and yeah, do
I think it's inevitable and eventually itcomes to that. But I hope that
they do a lot better infrastructure planfor how that looks, besides what they
did for NIL where they're like,sure, figure it out right like here

(01:21:59):
else it's just gonna be an nightmaresituation. The uh the question that Kevin
asked, are you dabbling in thenil kind of gets me to my last
question. Uh, we'll let Grantspeak here in a second maybe and uh
the shoulder shrug from grip. Howtapped in? Are you? You know?
You're you're you're answering one hundred millioncalls. You're recruiting these kids to

(01:22:20):
come to your agency? How tappedin? Are you too? To Nebraska
football? Still? Like do youknow anything about this team? Oh?
Yeah, how's how's Ryola actually doing? Like what's the squad look like?
Is Matt Rule going to have afive hundred ball club this year? What
are they? What was? Yeah? You know, so I'm still around,
you know, there's still I'm stillUh there's a chance I'm on the
broadcast team again next year at somepoint, which would be great, Which

(01:22:41):
would be fun on the radio broadcast. Uh. They wanted me to call
the game on btn the spring game, but it's the draft weekend. So
I'm like, yeah, there's afew non negotiable weekends and my life friends
and that's one of them. Yeah, I've been with a you practices and
I'll say this like, I don'tannoy any freshman king ever, I just
I refuse to do it. Butthe ball coming out of Royola's hand looks
different. Right, I've been around, I've been around dudes in the league

(01:23:04):
that have the arm talent, andhis arm talent is definitely there. Now,
does that mean he's going to turninto the next Caleb Williams or Patrick
Mahomes. No, that doesn't meanthat. It means he has the potential
to be really, really good.We've made really serious upgrades at the wide
receiver position. The kid, thekid from Texas and the transfer in from

(01:23:24):
Wake are dudes, which is goodbecause we had way too many white receivers.
Just it was a problem, alot of white At one point,
I was calling the Illinois game lastyear on the radio and it was a
TV timeout and I looked down.I looked at my co host. I
was like, you want to theproblem. He goes, well, I
go, we have ten white guyson the field right now. And I
go, and we're on offense.I go, look at their defense.

(01:23:45):
Tell me how many white guys yousee? He goes zero. Exactly,
it's a problem. Like, justwe're gonna get out athlete. Yeah,
And we did, right, Andso we went in and we made a
good point of getting some dudes.Everyone on the defense besides like one or
two guy back, which was thestrong point of our team last year.
Right, So I think that,you know, we have a capable quarterback

(01:24:05):
that can throw the football. Wegive ourselves a chance to be a six
and six ball club next year.Right, And that's the schedule sets up
nicely for us. Right, wehave a good start to the schedule.
We only got to go out westonce to USC. Right, Ucla has
got to come to us, likewe've got it. We've got a good
schedule to lay out. But ifit doesn't happen this year, the schedule

(01:24:28):
gets real tough for everyone. Imean there's there's never gonna be an easy
schedule in the Big Ten ever.Again, Yeah, it's like, I
mean, I don't know, Idon't know what Washington is now. I
mean with the shell themselves, Imean, we stole their athletic director.
They're not good. I don't thinkI don't think they'll very good. They
got there, I mean once oncethat coach left it was open season,
which is nice because when they weregood, it was even more of a

(01:24:49):
like, Wow, we're getting USCWashington, Oregon. Like at least now
it's for for a for a second, Washington's just another average team. Yeah,
I mean you throw them in thein the realm of ill or Indiana,
Purdue Rutgers right, like Nebraska,like in that in that realm.

(01:25:11):
But I mean, if you wouldhave said that coach would have stayed,
that would have come in. You'renow talking them more being closer to the
to the Michigan's, the Iowa's,the Ohio State tier for sure. Yeah,
the Ohio State Tier. But Imean, I'm fascinated, fascinated to
see what some of these PAC twelveschools do. Yeah, it'd be interesting.
It's going to be fascinating to see. I'm most interested to see what

(01:25:31):
their home versus away records look like. Yeah, right, Like I mean
I think about like Iowa Nebraska lateNovember, it's freezing cold and by give
me Caleb Williams on November twenty six, dude, But vice versa. You
send them out to LA and it'sninety degrees, it's eighty five degrees and

(01:25:51):
like that. Shit's not easy.I remember when I was in Buffalo.
I remember Buffalo, we went downand played Miami like December twenty and I
started that game and I thought Iwas gonna die. You have a right
stroke. Blood's thick. Right,there's eighteen inches of snow back home,
and you go down there and you'redoing warm ups and you're like, I'm
not I'm not gonna I mean,yeah, it usually takes at least two

(01:26:14):
days. I'm not gonna make it. And now you mean, if you're
playing sc you're gonna need to flyout there, if you're Penn State,
you're Michigan, Like, you're gonnahave to fly out there two days early.
You're gonna have to leave on Thursday, right, and you're not gonna
get home till the wee hours ofthe morning, Sunday morning or maybe Sunday
afternoon. Like that's the part that'sgonna suck for the whole thing. But
we don't care about that anymore becausewe don't play. We don't play's still

(01:26:39):
now, So fuck them. Yeah, fuck them. That's why that's gonna
be the titles podcast. Yeah,I love it. Grant, Do you
have any questions for this man?Anything you mind? No, I'm curious
as a as an agent right now, how do you approach the UFL Is
that even on your mind? Obviouslyit's the golf of these guys, just

(01:27:00):
get them all in the NFL,right, But I know even said,
like there's one guy in your four, You're like, we don't know if
he gets drafted or not. Arethere any conversation going on. It's like,
well, we think you can.We might be able to get you
on like the Darley for sure.Yeah, I got two UFL guys right
now. Adrian Martinez is our client, right, and so he just lit
it up for the Birmingham Stallions,starting quarterback for them. Austin Allen tight
end, he's on the Roughnecks,right. So I love the USL.

(01:27:24):
I think it's great. I thinkthe merge of the USFL and the XFL
was a great idea. No,and also the football was terrible because there
was too many good players spread out, right, There's not enough good players
to have two good leagues. Youneeded to cut down some teams, put

(01:27:45):
the good players all into a oneleague and make them all legitimately have a
chance. And so I like theway they did that, and so yeah,
we use the UFL. I'd ratherhave them go there than Canada because
if you go to Canada, you'relocked into a two year deal, no
matter what right here, They're verylike, hey, we understand what this
is. You get one year deals. If you go to the NFL after
your one year, your contract immediatelyis terminated. If you're on a two

(01:28:09):
year deal and an NFL team wantsyou, your contract goes on hold.
If it doesn't work out, we'lltake you right back at the end of
it. Right. So, Ilove what they've done. I think that
they put a good quality product together. Like, I've watched these games.
There's some good games. There's somegood football players in that league. I
mean, shoot, dude, you'rewatching Taco Charlton, who was a first
round pick at one point out thererushing the passers still, right, Matt
corral Like, there's a ton ofguys in the NFL that you thought would

(01:28:30):
make it that are there, andthere's gonna be a lot of guys to
get a chance. There's be alot of guys that end up in a
camp from the from the UFL thisyear. Nice, Well, you got
any insight information on what's what it'sall going to happen at the first round
of the draft of the Bear's takingCaleb Williams or I mean, I've I

(01:28:51):
mean, I do a ton ofVikings pods. So I've done about enough
quarterback breakdowns to make your head spin. But yeah, it's it's got to
be Caleb. You can't mostly becauseit's the Bears, right. If it
was any other team, you couldmaybe say it. But like the Bears
live in this purgatory of you couldhave drafted Patrick Mahomes and right, And
so they decide to pass on CalebWilliams for whatever reason, and then all

(01:29:13):
of a sudden he dumbs out therebecomes a stud. Then they look at
the team that passed on the generationalquarterback twice, right, and they can't
They can't afford that. I mean, I'm they're the Bears. They're probably
whatever choice they make is probably gonnabe Yeah, I mean, I think
I think it very much goes CalebWilliams one, Drake May two. I
could see the Vikings making a pushto three to maybe try and get Jayden
and Daniels. I think it's morelikely the Vikings make a push to three

(01:29:36):
with the King's ransom if Drake May'sthere, right, if for whatever reason,
the Commanders take Jaden Daniels and DrakeMays sitting at three, I could
see the Vikings trying to make ahuge push for the Patriots because the Patriots
are not a quarterback away like,they need a ton of help, and
so why not straight back, accumulatepicks and build your team. I see
that being a very realistic scenario.But you know, the guy that I

(01:29:59):
don't love and everyone's in love withis JJ McCarthy. I don't see it.
I don't think he's a top tenworthy pick. I think he's going
to be a decent quarterback in theleague, but I don't think he's the
guy. Are you are any ofthose other three guys you think being over?
You know, I feel like quarterbackin general is like an over.
I mean it's hard to say thatbecause I personally like, I think Pennix

(01:30:20):
is going to have the best careerout of all of them. Hell,
it's not that clip that you guysput out on them. I mean,
dude throws a great ball, anddude, he's the most accurate quarterback in
the class, and with accuracy inthe NFL is king. Accuracy is king.
You have to put the ball intight windows. You have to be
able to do it. If hewasn't, if he didn't have the injury

(01:30:40):
history, right, the acls,the shoulders, the missing full seasons.
He's up there in the conversation withthose guys, right, but he's also
old, right, he says,sixtieer guy, right versus him or Caleb
Williams. But you know, it'sgonna be fascinating. I think there's eight
offensive linemen taken in the first roundthis year, Like I really do.
I think I think there's eight ofthem. That five, Yeah, that's

(01:31:03):
a little Rich's you know. Ithink I think I think Cooper. I
think Cooper does go first. Ithink he does go first round. I've
seen like in the twenty to twentyfive. Yeah, I would say late
first, you know, I thinkI think he goes late first. But
yeah, I think it's gonna bea historic I think the first I'd say

(01:31:23):
eighteen of the first twenty five picksor offensive players. Wow, it's a
very heavy offense. I mean betweenoffensive linemen, much like a handful of
good receivers in the Yeah, offensivelineman receivers in quarterbacks. I think,
yeah, probably eighteen of the firsttwenty five, which then says that there's
gonna be a big run on defensiveplayers late first early second. Do you

(01:31:45):
think like some of these quarterbacks likeoverdrafted, Like maybe teams like believe their
world quarterback away were like, allright, you know is Jayden Daniels ers
J J. McCarthy. Is hethe guy's going to turn our franchise around?
Or can we wait another Can wetake a sure thing that we know
Marvin Harrison Junior is going to bea fucking stud lead for the next ten
years? You can, but hadyou run the risk of you run the

(01:32:10):
risk of getting fired, right,Like if you pass on those dudes,
the Packers did it for years.They didn't the pack Dude, you can't.
The Packers have had three quarterbacks sincenineteen ninety five. Like that doesn't
happen, that's an anomaly. Oh, you went from Brett Favre to Aaron
Rodgers. Now Jordan Love looks likehe's going to be a really good quarterback
for a long time. I mean, I'm in that mindset. We've been

(01:32:31):
spoiled as well. We've only hadtwo head coaches in like four hundred years.
I don't ever use the Packers ascomparison, right, Like it's just
not fair, Like you don't justget Hall of Fame quarterbacks to fall into
your lap three years in a row. And I'm not saying Jordan loves a
Hall of Fame quarterback, but afterwhat he did on the back half of
last year, I think he mightbe decent. Pretty damn impressive what he
did at the end of the lastyear. I mean, but does that,

(01:32:53):
you know, kind of lead intothe arguments like, hey, take
a guy late first round, lethim sit for a year or two.
I would love that. I thinkthat that's the recipe for success, right.
I mean, like like if you'rethe Vikings, right, you paid
Sam Donold ten million dollars and youbring them in and you draft McCarthy or

(01:33:15):
Drake may or Pennix or whoever.You guys know how it goes all of
a sudden, You're sitting there andyou're you're three and eight and the owner
calls and it's like, hey,I was really excited on draft night.
I want to see the young cat, okay, right, Like you got
to throw them out there, AndI mean, that's that's part of the
risk that you run. But Iagree, I wish that you could just

(01:33:36):
I wish it was okay to drafta first round quarterback and let him sit.
But that is just not the worldwe live in the NFL with coaches
turnover every two years, and wejust don't give coaches long enough. In
the NFL. We talked about makessense though, because we know like Patrick
Mahomes sat for a year and thenimmediately year two started destroying the entire Yeah,

(01:33:57):
I mean Jordan Love sat for multipleyears and then had the time to
learn what it actually became. Andit's hard to transition. It's like,
it's not quarterback man. That's sohard to go from, especially like the
systems out they're in now. Now. I think it's going to maybe change
a little bit with the earphones goingin the quarterbacks of years in college,
right, that might change things alittle bit. But I also think it's
gonna weed out some kids that you'relike, oh no, you can't handle

(01:34:19):
this. Yeah, like you can'thandle someone yapping in your ear. True.
Yeah, I don't know what.I turned my back and coaching a
long time ago. Yeah, Inever would have gotten into it. Couldn't
handle it. Definitely can't handle itnow. Kids are soft. Ninety five
minutes of the one and only.I love it. Dude, You're you're

(01:34:45):
the best, guess we have.Hey, I love it, you know,
anytime, anytime I come on,it's always a good time. And
we'll obviously regroup on Nebraska Week,but we'll definitely do one before then too.
We got to get a preseason inhere, so you see what we
think the old Hawks and Huskers looklike right into the twenty four season.
We could do that. We coulddo a little. We'll twound quarterback.
Yeah no, no, no,no, no, we have we have

(01:35:05):
k back. It's a strong toeighty. Yeah, so it's a solid
to eighty. You don't want togo to a pizza hutwa he's so bad.
We will definitely get one on thebooks for like a little like big
ten pre season. Absolutely, let'sdo it. But thanks for coming on.

(01:35:25):
Of course, tell Drake I lovethem, we will everybody. Thank
you for listening that the fans aregonna love this, that we went an
hour thirty five with you and uhwe're talking next time the Old Line show.
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We do the O Line Committee everyTuesday. It's myself, Alex Boon,
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(01:36:09):
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