Pat Angerer | WUW 526 - Washed Up Walkons

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Big guests on the show Today,another in our line of summer guests.
It's Pat Anger. He played forthe Hawkeys, he played in the NFL,
and now he's going to be bringingyou games on Saturday over the radio
waves. With Gary Dolphin in thebooth, we talk about that fatherhood identity
after your playing days are over,and a whole lot more. As always,
you guys are going to love Pat, not only on this podcast,

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but bringing you Iowa football this fall. Let's have a day, Let's go

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all right, we are recording itand I'll say it again, Drake Drake
hates everyone, so that's why that'salso that's what we love about Drake.
Welcome into the podcast. Pat Angerjoins the show new voice of the iowawke
Eyes. I mean, I guessdolphs I'm not. I'm not the voice.
Don't don't leave with that. Iused to do a Dolphin impression,
you know, Brady Ross Right,Oh, great, dude, Yeah,

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he does a great We should havehad him on with you because then we
could have gotten a little action betweenthe two of you. The voice of
the iowahwkuyes two hundred and seventy threedays that hype video was so amazing.
I don't know if you've ever seenthat, Pat, but they did,
like they had Dolph do a youknow, they have him come in and

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they he reads for a They'll probablystart having you do it. Honestly,
that's weird. I mean, Iwould imagine that's part of the gig.
It was like I think it wasthe length of the off season, right,
so like two hundred and seventy somedays, and it was like this
hype video that started all the wayback with like film from the first eight

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weeks of strength conditioning and dolphs onthere two hundred and eighty two days of
off season work, blood, sweat, tears, and no man one minute
until Iowa football When he texts me, now like I read it in his
voice. And I've known Dolf fora long time, but now like obviously

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we're working together, so we're talkinga lot more. But like his voice
is so majestic that I read everytext in his voice. Like that's like,
that's how you know he's the man. It's trying to do his voice
impression when you're in the booth sideby side with and so people right,
my ask, Yeah, I don'tknow if it sounds very good. His

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voice really is incredible, and Ithink as a player or a fan,
you all you just know him asDolph on the radio, and I think
if you haven't met the people whoyou listen to on the radio, you
kind of just think, like Ithink the radio does something to people's voices,
it deepens it, or they're talkingdifferently. No, first time I
met First time I met Dolf.He comes to camp every year. He'll

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come out there and talk to theplayers. Obviously the specialists don't do shit.
So we're out there just standing therewatching watching practice and he comes up
and he I kind of weasel myway and introduce myself to him. I
think it's like freshman or second yearthere, and he starts talking and it's
the exact same It is the exactsame as you hear on the radio,

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and it is unbelievable. And thenwe've had him on this podcast now twice
the last couple of years to previewthe season and it just is amazing.
I mean, I think we gotinto a conversation about it with him and
he said he always just had agreat voice, and then he and then
when he got into the business,he even played it up a little more.
He started working on it, andit's just heat potolac. Tough to

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replace. You've got a tough job. Pat. Whoever tries to replace golf
right, they're screwed. Tough spotright there. But yeah, I guess
that's our intro to the podcast.We also that's a good one. Dude.
You're you're in the booth and it'sweird. How did this happen?
Did they come to you? Didyou approach them? What happened? Yeah,

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we're run us through it. Yeah, So they reached out to some
guys initially just to kind of gaugeinterest, and I had obviously I knew
that Ed was kind of stepping awayand didn't really think anything of it as
far as for me, And thenthey reach out to me. They're like,
hey, you know, we gota list of guys. We're just

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kind of gauging interest in what doyou think? And I'm like, oh,
yeah, it sounds kind of cool, I guess. And they're like,
we'll just check with your wife andsee what she says. So I
called my wife and she's like,uh, yeah, I can have you
out of the house more this thisfall, Like absolutely, so tell them
tell them. Yeah. So soI called him background and I'm like,
yeah, well I'm interested. Andthen we did did a zoom interview and

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very basic simple questions kind of gettingto know you, getting to know your
feel for program and stuff like that, and and then we did a game
simulation the Michigan State fourth quarter andthat was that was really the first time
where I was kind of like like, this is is pretty fun. This
is actually really cool. And forme at that time, after I got
done, I felt like I lookedgood. You know, Dolf so easy

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to work with. Uh literally Icould put my my dog or my kids
up there and he do just fine. But for me at that time,
I was just happy just to evenbe considered to even get that far in
the process. So for me,it was a win win awesome. Hey
if they say yes, cool,if they say no, cool, And
then they said yeah, and thenit was like, oh gosh, like

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oh my goodness, and I'm likeI actually got to do this now.
Yeah, yeah, this far well, I guess kind of circling back to
on the so I was at thatMichigan State game, but we actually left
when the fourth quarter started because uh, I hate traffic, so No,
it was the it was last year. It was Cooper Jene where he scored

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the that one. I thought youwere talking about I'm dumb as shit.
I thought you were talking about fourthquarter of the Michigan State game. Nick
seven or six six got seven sevengot so two thousand and nine best Iowa
team you were talking and you wouldhave played in that team. I thought
that was later Yeah, okay,that was not in between us. I

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was honestly, I was like nervous. I was like, if these guys
are really funny, what they'll dois they will have a highlight tape of
all my mistackles. It would havebeen great. See, oh we would
have been there all day. Butforty three misses another tackle clearly didn't practice
this week. So you did thispast? Okay, Yeah, which was
a great game. It was anamazing fourth quarter. But it's kind of
funny because I listened to that fourthquarter on the radio on the way home,

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so it was just it's kind ofkind of weird how it worked out.
But yeah, so then they calledand and you know, said that
he got it, and it wasjust like, whoa, this is this
is pretty cool And what's interesting too, and it was kind of a really
good awakening to it. So likethey had they had called me and told
me that I got it, andthen within like twenty minutes, I'm getting

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it's like leaked all over. SoI'm getting calls and like I'm not answering
the call and not answering text messagesand stuff like that. So it's like,
Okay, you can't tell anybody anything. I mean, not that I
did, but you can't tell anybodyanything because it's gonna it's gonna get out.
So that was a good That wasa good lesson right there too that
things get out pretty quickly. Butyou know, then the first, you
know, the first when they announcedit that following Monday, it was just

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kind of badness as far as likeinterviews and events and stuff like that.
And you know, going from obviouslywhen I was playing, you know,
you're kind of limelight and all thatstuff, and I used to deal with
all that and then you're done andyou're used to not and now it's kind
of getting back in there. LikeI remember when I got to college and
kind of getting a little bit popularfrom playing football, people be staring at

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me and I'd be like, like, do these guys want to fight or
do they just like know that?Like I played football so like but then
I t you know, then nowthat I've been gone, now it's like
somebody staring me down, like it'sit's go time. But now people are
staring at It's like, well maybethey just start an Iowa fan and I
like, yeah, they probably wantto picture huh. I imagine trying to

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train your mind. I imagine ayoung Pat Anger. I thought everybody was
trying to fight him. Well,yeah, you know, I am from
bett Norf, Iowa, which isuh rough Pat Militant, home of Pat
Militant, home of dream of Treadery'sRobbie Lawler, Tim Sylvia trained here,
Matt Hughes, Ryan mcgiver and likethere was a time where a lot of

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the USC champs are training and trainingto Bettendorf, so like that was like
growing up as just a trashy dudefrom Bettendorf, Like you know, we
loved a good scrap and but yeah, I've behaved and uh I'm a model
citizen now I've got three kids.So you you're LinkedIn says you're aside business
people use that website Business development Officer. Apparently you do. What is that

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business development? You developed businesses?It's no, I don't develop businesses.
Business. Yes, that's why it'scalled it's not called businesses. Yeah.
But anyway, so here's a so. Yeah, so I did mortgages for
I don't know since about twenty seventeen. I really enjoyed it, had a
lot of fun with it. Obviously, when rates dropped, you know,

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it was a really great time tobe a mortgage own officer. But two
like, there were it was reallybusy, and there were times where you
know, you'd wake up at threeam and like, oh did I send
this out? Did I? DidI communicate properly on this? And and
then when rates went up it wasthe complete opposite. And obviously you're getting
paid a small little base and mainlycommission, and you're not doing many mortgages.

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It was really hard to it wasreally hard to make any money.
So then I reached out and topeople at I, ah, this is
a die credit you or I work, and just saying is there anything else
I could do? And they kindof created this not necessarily created this position,
but we had some people that werein this position before that were that
we're retiring, and they set meup with it, and it's been it's
been so awesome, man, it'sit's been phenomenal. Like I couldn't see

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myself doing mortgages forever, but Icould see myself doing this forever. So
my job is basically going out.I'm trying to bring in deposits, I'm
trying to get out in the community. And part of my job too is
community funding. So all the money. So we're a nonprofit. I work
at my credit and credit unions arenonprofit, so many any money that we
make has to go back to ourmembers or has to go back to our
community. So my job is goingout in the community and giving money to

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these nonprofits and helping people out,whether that is giving money that've ever been
food bank or that's paying off schoollunch debts for schools, and dude,
like it's it's awesome. And whenthis whole thing came up as far as
being on the radio, I reachedout to the higher UPSIDIH and I'm like,
hey, you know, I've gotthis opportunity. I would love to

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do it, but if you guyssay no, obviously, ill you know,
I'll scratch it it. And theywere like, dude, if it
helps you, it helps us,and like that was you know, that
was just super cool. And youknow, with the first couple of weeks
kind of being crazy after they announcedit, with millions of interviews and stuff
like that, my boss basically cameto me and he said, hey,

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you you take care of the footballstuff. What you got to take care
of. We got your back here. So just having the support from them
and having their backing has been tremendous. Yeah, it sounds like pre advertisement
for them. So I was goingto say this, this works out well
for them. Yeah, well untilI say something stupid, which is probably
and that it's like, you tookthis job knowing that you're like not allowed

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to swear and stuff. Right.Yeah, So you know, I met
uh, I met the Learfield peopleto Friday after they had announced it,
and we're at a Liarfield golf addingand they're like, hey, there's nothing
that you can say or do thatthe dolf er ed didn't do. So
they don't about it, but itwas you know, they and a lot

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of things have kind of been SoI go to this lear Field golf outing
and that's technically why I work forI work for Learfield and so they get
there like, hey, I mightwant to have you say a couple of
things like all right, whatever,Well, Dolf's talking, and then Fran
McCaffrey talks, and then Coach Farnsand or and then sorry Beth gets and

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then Coach Farns and then they're likeall right, Pat, and I'm like,
like, what am I even doinghere? Like why? Like what
what is the lineup? And I'mlast, oh, yeah, I'm batting
clean up on this, like whatare we doing it? Well? Going
after going after KF I mean,shut shut the party down. It's over,
like well, you know. AndDolf told me like, hey,

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all I need you for during theseason is ten to fifteen seconds. And
so that's kind of what I'm whatI'm sticking to. I I tell your
wife the same thing. Oh yeah, well she already knows. I've been
with her since I was fifteen.She's been disappointed before. Yeah, I
need to make a shirt with Pat'sface. All I need is ten to
fifteen. This is the first thingthat And I don't know why people ask

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me. I guess it's just becausewe've had you on the show before and
they know that we're buddies with you, and well I'm getting I guess yeah,
well maybe acquaintances or at least formeralum alumps on the same team.
There's one connection that was thank you, yeah, Kevin, and I did
not get the call, by theway, so they clearly thought higher view

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than us. Well, you guysare making millions of dollars obviously doing your
podcast and just stealing money from theIowa fans, so I think they probably
just assumed you guys are good.I'm just I work for a nonprofit,
so I right obviously need the money. No, and we are certainly funneling
money out of the Iowa economy.But I think because we are on a
microphone each week talking specifically about theteam, or bring on people like you

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or your teammates. Mitch King wehad on like a month and a half
ago. He minches the best,he's the best and so which by the
way, guy, has I fellinto the same trap of like, oh,
long blonde hair. He's a He'sjust a bro. He doesn't know
anything. Dude's so smart and hashis business life set up so well.

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I don't know how well you stillstay in touch with Mitch, But yeah,
doctor Mitch. Probably every couple ofdays he's he's got a shit figured
out. Yeah, he works hisass off too, like he he takes
that same intensity into his work lifeand what he does with the property management
stuff, I mean the rental properties. And then you know, now he's

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into insurance. He's my insurance agent. You know. Once I once I
found out that he was a farmbureau, it was like, yeah,
for sure. Yeah, so he'stelling me how to light my house on
the fire and all that stuff soit doesn't get insurance fraud. So we're
working on that. That's it.I would have knock on some wood that
might happen. So what I don'twant that to happen. I would It

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would be sad for it's happening becauseyou're currently For anybody that's not watching the
podcast, I suggest going to theYouTube hitting the subscribe button. You get
to see cool videos like this he'sgot. I mean, you got the
gorilla kettlebell set out there with thesquad rack. It'd be a shame for
that gym to go down and fire. Yeah, this is probably the only
thing I'd say as far as mypossessions, save the dog and the kids
in the back there. I gotto that NWL that's signed by Rick Flair.

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What's up? Wow, that's incredibleand the brands bros. Yeah,
So when I'm in here just sittingon my phone, it really gets me
excited to do like ten setups Ican. I'm at a point right now
I can do sixteen push ups inten minutes. That's impressive. Yeah,
that's very good. I was actuallywhen you popped on before we started recording,

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and to say that you look,you look good. You look like
maybe you've been snake sticking a needlein your butt with some tea, like
get some TRT. What's going on? Yeah? I do. Yeah,
I mean it's you know, you'vegot to you've got to protect your hormones.
But I just you know, forme, I h I really changed
how I was trading. And Iand you guys probably know. You know,

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it's when you get done, youtry to train. Mike, you
were training when you're when you're playing, and you've got to at least for
me, I had to make aton of adjustment, correct and then you
know, and then it was okay, now I'm gonna do the bodybuilding that
the just day and then the backday, and my joints were just killing
me. Like I would start feelingreally good and then I do something and

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my shoulder would would get jacked upor my knee would balloon up. And
so for me, my workouts arevery people would probably they're super easy people
to make fun of me about it. But I do a full body every
other day, and then I bikethe other days, and my body feels
good, and I just consistency anddoing it and not eating terrible. I

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mean, I don't eat very goodand obviously keep the booze down. I
try to not drink as much,but mentally for me, just I gotta
do something otherwise I go insane.I yeah, Kevin and I, well,
I guess not as as far astraining like a football player, Kevin
and I don't really do that anymore. Kevin's like a triathlete right now,

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Kevin. Kevin's great, Kevin's awesome. keV. Yeah, yeah, go
keV, keep going, keep doinggood for you, keV. I mean
that's all I That's all I got. Drake does jiu jitsu, and yeah,
he thinks that's cool. I guesswhatever, Drake. I support Drake
one hundred percent. Whatever he decidesto do in life. He's my favorite,
don't And then you got clover.CrossFit is there. It's great,

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you know, and and it's likeI, you know, there were times
when I did CrossFit and I enjoyedit, and you know, the culture
was great and the people were cool. But like I, you know,
my knees so jacked up, andyeah, my shoulders are jacked up.
It's like, all right, Ican't be doing box jumps or step over
all that crap. Yeah. Ithink the the root of my pursuit and

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CrossFit I've figured out is just it'ssomething that's obscure enough that I can as
I continue to get older and ourformer teammates who are all way more athletics,
stronger, faster than me when weplayed, I can continue to do
that because no one wants to doit. And yeah I can. I
can tell myself that I'm better thanthem now as good as you are.

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Right now, that's true. That'strue. Uh. I don't know how
we got off track on this,but the whole conversation started with Kevin saying,
you know, you took the jobknowing you can't cuss, And I
was what I was going to saythere was the men. I mean,
and that's just to circle back tocross circle it back right to CrossFit thrusters
and swinging pull ups. Uh.The messages I were getting were, Hey,

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I'm hearing angers, you know oneof the you know, one of
the guys they're interviewed, Like arethey really gonna go with Pat? Like
are they gonna let Pat on theAnd I was like, I'm sure,
I sure, hope so and youlike you were I wanted you're the front
runner. I think when Jan Jensenwas hired as the basketball coach, bath

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Guat said something like the right choicewas also the easy choice. I think
that completely applies here for you aswell. But I am a little shocked
where those were those lear Field guysin the interview, Like how many people
were part of that interview process,and like did they know what they were
getting into? Because and I understand, how old are you? Pat?
Thirty seven? Okay, you're stillyoung? You I think keV was he?

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Were you a honor a captain duringour time? What was it in
twenty fourteen? I was okay?And that was I think that was the
last time we lost to Nebraska athome? You did? Is that you
guys that lost in Nebraska. Yeah, jesus, what in the hell what
are you guys doing? Well?I played zero plays that place, so

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maybe I see I like, Iuse that. I use that a lot.
I played. I played some ofthe very crucial place actually in that
game, mainly the punts that theytook back on. Uh. Yeah,
So if that was you, Iit was either that or you talked to
some other time. And twenty fourteenPat twenty you know, middle twenty teen's
Pat still using the fair amount fbombs when you talk to the team,

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and you can tell that that wasjust you, Like, you're just authentic
guy. You like to you liketo cuss. How do we get around
that? Well, you got toknow your audience too, you know,
you've got to know your audience,is it? Yeah? And I've done
Yeah. I mean here's the thing, like I you know, all through
high school, college, NFL,done a million interviews. Never say too

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crazy so you can turn it on. Yeah, oh for sure, I
can't wait. We'll slip. Butwell, and the hard part too is,
like you know, you, I'msure there'll be times where it will
be an emotional game and stuff likethat. And I think one thing.
Let's say, let's say the Fword slips out. H what makes you
a little bit more relatable, isn'tit? I think so? I think

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so. I wish that authentic.Yeah, but I don't plan on,
so we'll see. We'll see foranybody listening. That works. For Learfield,
he doesn't plan on somewhere, butthere might be some strategic slip ups.
Have you thought about that? SoI guess here's here's a question for
you, Like do you still getemotional watching it? I was gonna say,

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because like me, when I'm watchingat home or in the stadium,
like I'm still shouting every now andthen, like unless that fucking hates it,
But yeah, I'll i'bously be sittingdown basement and show it here.
You know, that does go awayover time. That does go away over
time. But yeah, definitely absolutely, because it's a it's a program that

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you care for, it's a programyou love, you love the staff,
and you know what those kids havegone through just to get to that point.
So yeah, absolutely get emotional.And I think you know, emotion
is good and that's you know,that's what made Quota Act so great is
he was emotional and he loved theprogram and he loved football and still does.

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And you know, I think itis an emotional and too like when
I was playing. And I don'tknow about you guys, but like when
I, I didn't grow up superwealthy and we didn't have the ability to
go to a lot of Iowa games. And I think probably the first Iowa
games I started going to is whenI when I got recruited and maybe went
to a couple and then I,you know, obviously played and obviously you're

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you know, you're in you're inthis little bubble and and you're wondering,
like, you know, we lostto uh, Northern Illinois or Northern Iowa
or sorry, Northwestern. We lostNorthwestern my senior year and like grown men
were like crying in the stands,and it's like, you know what's going
on. But then when you getdone, you get away from it,

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and you realize how much ile footballmeans to you. And just like for
the fact that you know you're havinga tough week or the kids are sick,
or tough week at work and youknow financially things aren't going well or
whatever, but you turn in onSaturday or you listen on Saturday to escape
that and be a part of somethingthat's so freaking great. And I got

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that, Like I understand that nowas you know, a thirty seven year
old guy who works at a creditunion with three kids. So for me,
like this job, like to beable to bring people into that and
walk them through that and allow themto be a part of it like that.
Like, dude, that's freaking whatit's all about. Like that freaking
gets me excited. Think it's beemotional, you know, like what a

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freaking privilege, Like what an opportunity? Yeah? That actually you just described
that in a way that well,that made me feel like an asshole because
I've always oh you are, Yeah, I've always there's a bit of a
running theme that I hate the fansand like it's a people like to use

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it as a joke. Some peoplethink it's a hundred question the idea of
fandom. Multiple times in this podcast, true sports fandom eludes me. I
don't know. I don't identify withit. I don't have a team,
even the Iowahawkeyes that I ride anddie with as a fan, like as
a former player, I obviously verymuch. So I'm like feel it from

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that perspective. But the way youjust described it about how you know life
could be tough that week and yourone thing is sports and that's what you
turn into on the tune into onthe weekend, and that's what you're holding
on to to kind of give youa bright spot. It's a great way
to describe it, and it makestotal sense and makes me feel like an
asshole because you are. You are. At least to this point, my

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life has been good enough where Idon't feel like I need that external thing
and it's like, damn, thereactually could be some people out there that
Iowa football is like that's what's goingto save the week for them, and
that is really cool that you're goingto be part of that. You're going
to bring that to them over theairwaves. That's pretty neat and like that's

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awesome. I mean, that's athat's a huge responsibility too, and it's
just something that I that I reallydo he'll take lately, and that's you
know, that's why when everyone's like, oh, he's gonna swear and he's
gonna do this, Like dude,I'm going to prepare as hard as I
freaking can and I'm going to tryto do these fans justice and these people
that are tuned in because like it, like life is crazy, like and

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I know, you've got a youngdaughter, and I've got a twelve year
old boy, a ten year oldboy, a eight year old little girl
like it sorry, seven year oldlittle girl. And it's it's hard to
get even time to really do anything. And it was hard to even schedule
this podcast, you know, likeI'm like, oh, my kid's got
a baseball game, and you know, maybe we can go to a eight
thirty or whatever. But the gamego, I mean, what do you

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expect my kids playing? What doyou think I'm raising a loser? Are
we saying four for four with twodingers or what? I think he?
I think he got walked his firstat bad and then hit a double in
a second. There you go,yeah, we'll take it. We'll take
it. It's weird, so likeand you'll get you'll get into this uth

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sports thing. So my kids play, they play, so they play travel
ball for baseball and baseball is insane. Yeah, and then they also do
part of their travels. They playedlittle League, so litle Leagu's cool.
It's kind of something that's fun forhim to play and they can play with
their friends and all that stuff.But it's hard to keep track because now
you're on a little League team anda travel ball team, and then at
the end of the year they havean all Star team that goes and they

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play districts, and so now I'vegot three teams to kind of figure out.
And so this this this week isthe Little League districts and with Little
League, and I don't know,hopefully somebody's listen that's in charge of Little
League, but I don't know ifanybody listens to you guys. But they
do, they do, they do. They know you're on the podcast.

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They'll come for this one for sure. This literal league does a game a
day for five days for the districtsand then they take the top two teams
and then they play for the championshipand then if they win that, then
they go to is this the yearfor the Little League World Series? Year?
So twelve of you, it isso And I meant for his oldest,
Yeah, I meant for his oldestkid. Yeah, so my oldest.

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He was on the team, theAll Star team last two years.
Once stayed at tenure. Obviously,when I coached and then last year they
got second, and then he didn'tmake the team this year, so hey,
you gotta earn it. You gotto earn it. Man, there's
some good kids. But so yeah, so if they if Emmitts team wins
districts, then we'll have to spenda week in Sioux City doing the doing

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the same thing. A game ofday which you can knock this out in
two days. Yeah, I wantto go back to that week. Is
that tough, competitive NFL former linebackerkid doesn't make the All Star team?
Well, how does that go?I think as a as an athlete,
and hopefully most hopefully you guys arelike this too. Our whole job,

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our whole careers. We're judging talent, right, You're you're taking an objective,
objective look to talent, and Itake that with my kids. So
I know where he's strong, andI know where he's weak, and and
I know that he didn't didn't earnit this year. And that's not saying
that he's that's not saying that he'snot going to be an amazing baseball there
because he's a he's an awesome athlete, he's super fast, he's really actually,

(28:34):
he's a really good linebacker in footballand yeah, and uh, you
know he's he's he's athletic and andand all this stuff, and so like
his his future, like he's gonnahe's gonna be good. He's gonna he's
gonna have a shot if he ifhe puts in the work, and that's
you know, it's it's up tohim. Was he upset? An athlete

(28:55):
and growing up is dealing with rejection, right, like absolutely one hundred and
third do you want told us no? Right? Luvell told you no,
You're yeah, you don't want youyep? Yeah, And that's you know,
with you know, talking I guesskind of circling back talking to Goodlf.
He's like, I just you know, I feel bad if you know
one of you guys, you know, three you guys aren't going to get

(29:15):
this. When he did the finalthing, I'm like, oh, we've
all been fired before, Like everysingle one of us has been fired before.
But I don't worry about it.And I think that's the best.
That's the best thing about sports islike you know, I've I've been cussed
out every single coach I've ever hadfrom growing up until until the NFL,
and I've been coached hard by everybodythat that's ever coached me, and there's

(29:37):
nothing anybody's going to say that anybodycan say to me that's going to break
my spirit, because you know,I think you're you're, you know,
your biggest critic. They can beyour best friend if it's obviously if they're
not not too distructive, but thatcan be your best friend because you know,
you get in the real world too, and I don't know, you
know, I guess yours guys thatyou But it is very interesting is when

(30:02):
somebody messes up, everybody kind oflike either they point fingers or they kind
of tiptoe through it and like,hey, you know, maybe don't do
this next time or whatever. Andit's like everything we did was videotaped and
watched by everybody in front of everybody, and we got cussed out when we
messed up. And it wasn't becausethey hated us. It's because they loved

(30:23):
us. They knew we could dobetter. And so like, I think
that sets you up as an athleteto it gives you like an upper hand
in the business world to be successful. Like I remember when I first got
in to lending, my boss waslike, hey, I don't worry,
I don't micromanage. We don't whatdo you mean, Like I've literally been

(30:44):
told when to go pee for thelast ten years of my life. Like,
dude, you could say whatever youwant, like I'll do whatever,
Like I don't don't care. Butit's an interesting transition into you go from
that where it's like, literally,you eat this, you drink this,
you pee at this time, yougo tackle this. I watched this film
to like, hey, you're you'redoing great, just keep it up.

(31:06):
It's like, what it was atough week. I got to go from
all that extreme in depth analysis tonow you've got to coach yourself twenty four
to seven. Yeah, amost Andit almost feels because you're so used to
the just the pure, authentic,transparent relationship of a coach player, it

(31:26):
almost feels fake when you get intoquote unquote the real world, business world
and you're dealing with softer criticism.Now it feels now it feels like they're
holding back or they're like trying toand that's just how it works, and
it's it's weird. It's it's sortof like I'd rather just you can just
yell at me. I I justyeah, like I want to I want

(31:48):
to know where I stand and Iwant to know what you think of me.
And like hey, if I'm ifI'm doing something wrong, like dude,
tell me, man, I'll fixit, Like give it to me.
Yeah. I think I just saidthis in pot cast or two podcasts
ago. It is like anything hardthat comes up in my life is like
but also, this isn't Coach Doyleblasting me in front of the lift group.

(32:09):
So like I'm gonna be okay,Like I'll be all right because I've
suffered worse. Coach Doyle told everybodyon the team that I still had my
baby fat. Uh So so likeyou can't say anything that's gonna hurt me.
You can't because I've been because I'vebeen just completely go just strung out

(32:35):
in front of the entire football teamby Coach Doyle. And it's just it's
just is what it is. Itwas funny my ten year old I was
like, I'm gonna it was theother day. I was like, I'm
a good workout and then he's likecan I get something in? And I
and I've never really pushed him onanything, and so I was like,
yeah, so I just basic stuff, a lot of functional movement stuff,
a lot of just simple basic Ido the one by twenty thing, you

(33:00):
know you. I'm a big fanof that, but also a lot of
a lot of functional movement, alot of mobility, a lot of stretching,
all stuff that we've all done.And he walks in with crocs and
I'm like, dude, you gotno idea man like like you're safe here,

(33:21):
but don't ever do that. Butcan you imagine walking the Ioway room
with Oh my gosh, I'm gonnawork out it. You got them in
sport mode. Let's uh, let'sget it going. But but what's uh,
acluver you could probably talk speak onthis. Are you training any youth
or anything? I haven't recently,but I haven't yeah in the basketball years.
It's like my kids like they play, you know, they play sports

(33:43):
around they you know, football,basketball, baseball, and baseball never ends.
So like they're basically you know,year around athletes, and they are
so just like basic stuff that wewould do, like simple functional mood screating,
basic stuff, so on functional andimmobile and just extremely subpar. And

(34:04):
it's it's crazy because it's like thesekids are all of them all of them
are like that, every kid thatI've trained, very immobile, very functionally
subpar. But they're playing sports yeararound, and it's and that's a big
reason why these kids are tearing theseacls at a younger age or having these
like serious injuries. And I think, you know, one of the things
I and I don't want to crapon any of the coaches that my kids

(34:27):
have, because they're also when Ilove them, they're all good dudes.
And but one of the reasons,you know, there's a lot of opportunities
to be a to play you sportsnowaday as far as like travell like every
everybody's on freaking travel ble. Butit's great because it opens up a lot
of opportunities for kids compete. Butthe negative is it opens up a lot
of opportunities for terrible coaches to coach. And and it's like, dude,

(34:52):
there's so much, so much knowledgeout there and resources to just to do
a quality warm up or a qualitystretch or whatever. But it's it's kind
of sad to see, like I'mreally gonna have to go hands on on
these kids and just make sure thatthey can touch their freaking toes and a
lot of a lot of things getskipped unfortunately. Yeah, because you're right,

(35:15):
it's it's hey, straight to travelball. We're competitive, we're we're
doing all of the you know,like I remember in baseball, it's like,
all right, we're finally up tothe age group where you can lead
off and pick people. And it'slike, but did you in the outfield?
Did you just go and do likeyour tea's you know, like,
oh my gosh, this thing?Are you doing this? And neck roles?

(35:38):
It's like, what are you guysdoing? Can you get into a
squad? You know? Correct?Yeah, they'll have them do it,
like they'll have them do the stuff, but they're not coaching them up on
it. Like they're just over theredoing it by themselves. And it's like,
I have a really that's like theone thing that I really have a
hard time with as far as likenot keeping my mouth shut. This is
the warm up to me so much. I dude, coach these kids,

(36:02):
man, you've been with them allyear, like teach them how to do
a squad or something. It's terrible, I think with the movement and the
mobility and that kind of stuff,and just like the general being not athletic.
And I don't know because I onlyhave a child who is eighteen months
old. But from what I observein the neighborhood and just know about kids
in general these days, is likekids aren't outside enough playing. Yeah,

(36:27):
yeah, Like I used to.I spent like a whole week when I
was thirteen years old learning how tobackflip in my front yard and I just
stood. I had a little hillin my front yard so I could I
could stand on the higher part andget a little bit of extra you know,
flip to help me land it.And I stood out there and landed
on my back or my neck likethree hundred times in four days trying to

(36:53):
learn a backflip. But when youwhen you're out there doing that. And
my brothers and I used to justwe would play basketball and dunk on the
eight and a half foot nine footrim until it was dark outside and the
like you know, the street lightsturned on and like, and we'd run
around and we'd climb trees and like, I don't know if kids do that

(37:13):
as much anymore. And a lotof like just base athleticism and being able
to move your body and land onthe ground and change direct a lot of
that just comes from like playing asa kid. Yeah, and I just
need kids scootering around the neighborhood onelectric scooters now right, Like we would
just run to our friend's house youlive like seven miles away or not.

(37:35):
I'm just gonna run. But Ithink I think a lot of it is
at least the kids that are thatare doing sports, is everything is so
structured. Like there there are weeksmost of the weeks like my kid only
has My kids will only have likea one day off during the week.
But everything else they do sports wiseis structured. So they don't know how
to play unless it's structured. Andluckily, like I live in a I

(37:58):
live in a great neighborhood. We'vegot a lot of young kids and rich.
Oh it's I'm south of fifty third, so it's huge, huge salary.
Voice of the Hawk guys over here. Definitely. Times are so tough.
I gotta work two jobs, man, I know it's tough out and
my wife got a owner own business. I canna work two jobs. But
you know, like we would go, you know, we would, Hey,

(38:19):
we're all going to meet at theball Diamon to play baseball or whatever.
You're playing against kids that are twoor three years old and yet and
playing against kids that are, youknow, two or three years younger,
and you're learning from everybody, andyou're learning how to hit you know,
curveballs, or or you learning howto hit slow, slow pitches because those
are those are hard too. Youknow, there's nothing better than Hey,
everybody, we're meeting at four thirty, double or nothing? You know,

(38:40):
Oh hell yeah, double or nothing. Dude, play it for four or
five. Oh god, a lotof dueovers too. Oh that was a
due over. The best part aboutwhen we would play as kids too,
is like parents were just like,yeah, I go yeah, oh yeah.
We had free room with the wholeneighborhood, no cell phones. Yeah,
show up, show up at sixpoint thirty for dinner. It's great.

(39:05):
Yeah, it's glory days. Man. Uh. You're wearing the Austin
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gonna have to get used to paton audio. I got another cool shirt.
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(39:27):
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(39:49):
I'm gonna send you this next one. I just need your address after
we get off the show. Veryhappy to announce. By the way,
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(40:13):
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tease that over the next few weeks. We're dropping that, you know,
a few weeks before the season sothat we can deck Kinnick in it.

(40:34):
Speaking of the head man, ifyou have you talked I assume we've talked
to him since you've accepted position.What was his reaction to the Yeah,
you know, of course you getyou get a handwritten letter right away.
That's just solid. Oh yeah,you know, he's the best. But
yeah, he's and I and Italked to him kind of during the process
and just kind of let him knowwhat's going on and just kind of wanted

(40:55):
to pick his brain or whatever.And I don't know what saying he had
or whatever. But yeah, he'sbeen awesome. And I was able to
get back to the the family night, oh yeah, a couple of weeks
ago. Yeah, and it wasyou know, I haven't been able to
go there yet just because of yousports. But dude, it's such a
freaking family and it's so nice thatwe played at a place where the coaches

(41:17):
are still there and they still careabout you like we it's it doesn't happen,
you know. And you know mykids at up. You know,
my oldest is twelve and he's ata point where like it's kind of cool,
like he knows, like he's kindof for me. He's six years,
he's going to be in college,and for him to be around that
program and just be so many peoplewere so generous to him and generous to

(41:42):
us, and like, dude,like this is what it's about. Like
this is a freaking well oiled machine. This is a family here, Like
it's not just about your five yearsthere, your four years. They're like
you're it's about the rest of yourfreaking life. And that's why they're so
successful. I hope that. Yes, but yes, I did talk to
coachar and he's awesome. Yeah,sorry, I never heard it. You're

(42:04):
right, though, it's the samestuff that makes coach special is what makes
the program special. It's I hopeit's why I think as a former player
that it's an echoed sentiment that LeVaror Seth, somebody from within that is
really really well liked amongst other playersgets the head job when when coach Farance

(42:24):
does decide to hang it up.Because that familial feel and the way they
run that program based around being goodpeople. Mhm, it's you know,
it's hard to say, it's abiased opinion from the inside. We only
played for IOWA. Who knows whatother programs are like, But you just

(42:45):
don't get the sense that that it'sthat way other places. So, yeah,
have you talked to a Have youtalked to Potolac? No, I
haven't talked to him yet. II reached out to Dolph to get his
UH, to get his contact finders. Yeah, yeah, I just want
to get him a shout And I'dlove to have some bears with them or

(43:06):
whatever, and just you know,those two guys. It would be be
a good time, man, agood time and it's you know, it's
I don't want I don't want putAlack to think I'm like coming in and
like trying to take over. Andyou know, he's a he's a legend.
And then what he's done as aas a color commentary guy, and
what he did as a football playerfor the Chiefs, Like what is it
nobody had more has had more allpurpose yards in a game in the NFL

(43:30):
playoffs or something than him, somethinglike that, something like crazy status.
That would be an incredible stat statstoo. I think, Yeah, dude
was a machine. He was Hewas built like an absolute stud back in
the y. Yeah. See,I plan on definitely talking to old Eddie.

(43:51):
Did you ever in your entire lifeI think that being on the microphone
commentating a game would be a thingLike was that ever? Never never cross
your mind? Okay, what Iwant, I'll tell you what. I'm
glad. I'm glad it's happening.Yeah. Like, are you mean nervous
for the first game? Oh?For sure? Like I you know,

(44:14):
I'm still like I'm terrified, butI'm excited. And you know, so
many times in my life, likerecently since I've got them playing, where
I've been you know, content andcomfortable, and you know, now he's
an opportunity where I'm super nervous,I'm super excited, and like that is
that's when you grow. Like that'swhen you put yourself out there and then
you grow. And you know,it's funny. My wife was talking.

(44:36):
She's like, you know kids thatare friends with you know, my kids,
kids, like, they're going toremember you as the color commentary guy
on the radio. They're not gonnaremember you as a football player. And
it's it's kind of it's kind ofweird to think that that's if I last
Obviously it's if I last a quarter. I mean, that's one type of
job that you can you can holdon to for a long long time.
Right, you could be the nextcolor connotator guy for the next thirty forty

(45:00):
years. I was just gonna sayyou could be. I mean, I
don't think they hired you to letyou go in five or ten years.
Like I let me get through likethe first game first, or like the
first quarter, and then and thenwe'll say, but what's, uh,
what's preparation going to look like foryou? Are they going to give you
like access to the film room orsomething, or like how in depth analysis

(45:21):
are we planning on going into duringthe during the games? What I was
told is I will be getting gettingaccess to the film, which is huge.
Send that to us, send thatto it. We're trying to So
here's what we're trying to do.I think this would be insane. Okay,
Like I don't know if you knowit, but the All twenty two
film for college it's impossible to get. You can't get it. Team teams

(45:47):
share it with each other openly,within the within the the programs. You
yeah, you can have it.Here's our film from our six opponents.
This year. NFL, you canfreaking pay all access, like twenty two
bucks a month and you get theall twenty two view of every the best
way to watch the game, thebest. NFL has no problem just giving

(46:09):
it away. No team cares.You can't get it in college. And
what we want to do is wewe have this little like mini show idea
where we come out where we dolike a fifteen to twenty minute episode each
week called Kevin Kevin's Film Room orsomething, and he breaks down like plays
from the previous week. But youcan't get your hands on the goddamn film.

(46:30):
It's it's infuriating. So you're gonnahave to slide that to us.
Obviously, no one will know whatcame for you. Yeah, just give
me like or something. Wow,it's really going to cut into the profit
that we make out of this thing. You want to take the money right
out of the kids pockets. That'sthat's true. True. No, I'm
not giving you guys crap, allright? Is uh? That's unfortunate.

(46:52):
Is has this made you think like, I gotta I gotta go brush up
on the on the playbook a littlebit. I gotta Oh yeah, oh
for sure. Just terminology so like, you know, I got done,
obviously get done, and you're thinkingfootball and all that stuff and all the
crazy coverages and everything, and youknow fits and you know techniques and all

(47:14):
that crap, and then you gocoach third and fourth grade football and you
have to forget everything you've ever learnedand how you thought. So I've been
doing that the last three years.I've really been dumbing everything down, which
you know, I've coached for threeyears and we haven't lost of games.
So I just I just want toput that out there. But so you're

(47:37):
actually the successory football. Yeah,huh. Coach Anger is undefeated in pee
wee football. Yeah, I'm anysurprised, not really a little bit.
The key. Here's the key.You draft the best kids, Like,
that's the whole key. I don'tknow why people don't just do that.
Just get the best kids and thenyou literally don't have to do it right

(48:00):
from their left. Yeah. Imean, honestly, if they're that good,
they really don't even have to justas long as they get the ball.
But you know, youth football wasa ton of fun, and obviously
it was tons like when I firststarted, I had all this you know,
this tackle circuit and all this stuffthat we're going to do and you
know, really funny, like rightlike all this and finally I'm like,

(48:22):
this is just this ain't going towork, and really dumbed it down.
I got it to where what wedo is we tackle, we block for
a half hour, and then wescrimmage for twenty minutes and then we play
a game for ten minutes and thenwe're done. And we do that twice
a week. And you know,there's teams around here that are practicing,

(48:44):
you know, three out there twothree hours, three times a week.
And it's like, dad, whatare you doing? Like football is dying
these kids. The only goal shouldbe I want these kids to come back
and play next year. Like that'sthe only goal. So you're you're you're
pushing kids out by like beating themup and all this stuff. Like,
dude, football is not that hard. It's not that hard. Don't make

(49:04):
it complicated like Norm Parking story say, football is a kid's sport made complicated
by old men. Yeah, you'dsay. I remember he sat me down
in his office one time and he'slike, you know, let's talk with
my dad. And he's like,it ain't that complicated. You just tackle
the guy with the ball. Yeah, especially when you're eight, nine,
ten years old. That's really allit is, right, Like you can

(49:25):
coach them all the technique that youwant to, it's going to go in
one year out the other. They'renot going to remember it the next practice.
Do you come back right? Yeah? And what I try to tell
him is like the aggression at thisage, it takes all the risk away.
Just be on set aggressive. Yeah, who care if we get beat
on a deep ball like the oddsof a fifth and sixth grade kid or

(49:46):
third and fourth k kid throwing somedeep ball like very very rare. Obviously
on my team we do because they'reawesome when I'm a great coach, But
on these other teams, probably notgoing to happen. So be on set
aggressive. The I just am sittinghere imagining coach Pat Anger yelling like you
know, they break the huddle,they break the to start practice, and

(50:08):
Pat's just like, on period,let's go run it, run it again.
The good thing is there's no punting. No, actually you can punt,
but I actually we never punt.You'd have to teach somebody the long
snap. So I don't think thatI because we we just I just go

(50:30):
for it every time, and itusually works. You know the numbers,
the logistics that you should Yeah,and especially at that age, like whatever.
But I think then you can say, hey, just you get the
ball thirty yards downfield or something ifyou put yeah funny enough. Right before
we came down to do this podcaston the TV Big ten two thousand and

(50:52):
eight, Iowa, Penn State.Oh yeah, and your thick ass was
on the U was on the screenlike I'm talking. I switched to the
channel and there you are, likeironic. What do you remember about the
game? It was cold, butthe I remember the first like the first

(51:12):
series, I feel like Clayborne orsomebody ran a screen, Claiborne or somebody
tackled the quarterback. He ended upClaiborne or Bins or King or Krawl,
one of the really awesome the linementhat we continue to have ended up with
the ball on the end zone.And for some reason, I think it
was Ballad. For some reason PennStay got the ball. Still I don't

(51:35):
understand that, but it was.It was Claiborne playborn of course, shouldn't
know kids, guy's a machine.But and then I remember getting my ass
kicked pretty much the whole game bya Q Shipley, who I ended up
playing with that India just a justa great dude. He was, Yeah,
he was. He was a stud. He was their center and just

(51:57):
I mean I always struggled with likeshort sockey guys because I'm short and stocky.
I liked the bigger guys because Icould get my forehead in their chin,
but I really couldn't with him.But yeah, we pulled out.
We pulled that one out. TdtonGreenwood have an interception to seal the seal
the game there at the end,I want to say it with Brett.
Yes, I was in Michigan,but dude, it was a tough game.

(52:21):
We always played Penn State tough,and I always I always appreciated playing
against them and the way that theyplayed. I was a huge fan of
Sean Lee. He was He's oneof my favorite linebackers of all time.
Somebody that he was, somebody thatwe They gave me An Aids and Jeremiah
Hunter a list of uh of linebackersto study throughout the Big Ten and Earth

(52:44):
throughout the country, and and Ihad Shahn Lee and I never really sat
down and watched him. He wasso much better than me, like just
so much better than me, justthe way that he moved, the way
he the way he covered, Likehis coverage was unbelievable. His vision was
so good, so smart, andso I always thought it was really good.
And then I watched tape on him, I'm like, I'm terrible.

(53:06):
I suck. I'm so bad thathe was there. They're so much better
than me, is how I feltwith every guy on the team. So
now you know what it's like tobe a specialist. There's like you go
out there for the strength conditioning workoutor the you know, the sixties or
stations in the sixties. They're allso much better than me. But you

(53:27):
know what's interesting about specialists, andpeople don't bring this up enough, is
on every single level, in highschool, in college, in the NFL,
specialists don't have a coach. There'sno long snapper coach, there's no
kicking coach, there's no punting coach. Rarely, So you got you guys
are all self taught. Me there'slike twenty five linebacker coaches. It's it's
yes, it and it's it's asituation. It's a it's a room.

(53:52):
It's a position where if you arenot able to self correct, and you
can't, you don't truly know whatyou're looking for to fix what's wrong.
When something comes up, things cango downhill quickly, and if you can't
fix it, then you're basically anyoneyou see kicking or punting or snapping is
very good at figuring out what they'redoing wrong by themselves and fixing it.

(54:16):
They don't have They don't have anyonereally, you know, because coach Woulds
he coaches the special teams, buthe's more important for and we just talked
about it with him on his episode. He's a lot more important to Hey,
here's our kick return, here's ouryou know, here's our our punt
periods, and how they're going towork in practice and all this stuff.

(54:37):
He's not really going to go upto Drew Stevens and be like, hey,
your plant foot was a little offthere, and I think you struck
it a little fat, which iswhy he's never going to say something like
that. No, we don't.Cating would if he was at practice,
but not many even in the NFL, I think occasionally there's a kicking coach,
but very rarely so yeah, itis. It is tough. And

(55:00):
when you guys mess up, everybodyknow, it's like a linebacker. I
can mess up ten times a game. No woldy even know. Yeah,
and there's thirty two of you guysin the NFL, which it's an eleven
linebacker. It's an elite job.Don't say, you guys. I never
made it there. I didn't evenget a call. Well, I had
a call too short, too short. Yeah, same same here told me

(55:21):
to my face that's tough. That'sall? Are you five tens? Oh?
Jeseus? So my dad used toalways ask me, you and I
are the same person. Pat,I just want you to know you were
just a little don't don't you ever? You were just a little bit.
How dare you? I promise,ever, I promise you get another Like,
dude, I leave this podcast rightabout now. We already got you

(55:42):
for an hour. I got whatI needed out of you. Oh my
gosh, that's the worst thing anybody'sever said to me, Pat, look
at us. Come on, holdon, where's my hat? Fuck?
I'm moving this week? So mywatch your language please? Oh on this
on this this is not lear Field. We can say whatever we want Onlearfield
wouldn't touch Drake with a ten footpoll. Oh yeah, but gosh,

(56:06):
I love Drake. A lot ofpeople do a lot of people do.
He came back for the Coach Woodsepisode and basically all the comments were,
Man, this podcast is so muchbetter with Drake's here, and I get
it. It is the reason whypeople listen to us in the first place,
because the three of us had aninteresting relationship and me and Kevin just

(56:27):
this podcast. So that shows youwhat he thinks about you. Yeah,
he said, he said he didn'tshow up for you, Pat. Yeah,
Well, you know, it's it'sa it's a big it's a big
week for him. You know,it's America's birthday. And true, I'm
sure he's I'm sure he's enjoying hisfreedoms. Where's he at Arizona? Nice?
Yeah, Tucson, Phoenix. Where'she he boxes? He does,

(56:54):
He goes to box, He trainsboxing in Tucson. He lives in Queen
Creek, but Will Creek, Yeahhe should. He should live in Tombstone.
That's his. He should live inTombstone. So when me and my
so every obviously want two off seasonsin the NFL, My Uh, my
best friend. He was in Afghanistan. He was one of the first airborne.

(57:15):
He's a badass dude. We wouldget an RV and a couple other
buddies. We would, you know, drive down to Tombstone, Arizona,
and spend a week there being cowboys, really hard. Taking a guy straight
from war and locking him in anRV for twenty four hours with a bunch
of booze, like the terrible idea, and then take him to him and

(57:37):
then taking yeah, taking him tothe desert where there's random gunshots going off,
Like not the best idea, butyeah, we had We had a
good time, and yeah, spenta lot of it's spent some good times
in Tombstone, some good nights.If you if you never played football,

(57:57):
like if if for some reason theHawkeyes didn't call on, would you ever
have been in the military, youseem like you could have been Well,
yeah, I mean that was thatwas honestly my plan. Yeah. My
dad, my dad was an armyguy, and my brother Nate serge of
Marines. He was over in Somalia, so and and he'll yeah and so

(58:19):
like that, That's that's what Iwanted to do, not whey in my
family had ever gone to college.We didn't have the money to go to
college. And honestly, I didn'ttake school very seriously. You know.
Sports was something that I did andcompeted in. I loved it, but
I never thought that it would evergo, uh go any other level.
So yeah, and uh, Ireally loved the military and and got a
lot of friends that served, andwe it'd be something that I'd love to

(58:45):
do. And and and one thinglike with the with the transition of being
done. So I got done withfootball, and then my buddy John transitioned
down the military as well too,and and very similar struggles. You know,
you're you know, it's it's youmake it, yeah, structure and
you make it tackle and seventy thousandpeople are screaming and it's freaking amazing,

(59:06):
and you've got to you got brotherswith you that did freaking die for you,
and and then it's done. Andyou know, in the military,
he's literally got brothers that are dyingfor him, and he's he's fighting for
other people in the rush that probablycomes with war is even more than what
it is. You know, havingseven thousand people cheer for you and then
all of a sudden then you're done. And yeah, so we we have

(59:29):
many conversations about that over whiskey,and he's helped me out a lot,
and I don't know if I've helpedhim out, but uh uh, yeah,
it's something that definitely benefited me havingsomebody that's kind of going through a
similar transition. I don't want tocompare playing football and making a shift ton
of money to serving in the militaryand going to war and having to kill

(59:50):
people and watching your buddies die.Definitely not the same, but as far
as the structure in the brotherhood,very similar. Yeah, the yeah in
the locker room vibe kind of thing. Yeah, the identity thing is is
tough for a lot of people,and I think it hits I think it

(01:00:13):
hits fast. I've always actually thoughtabout, not seriously, but like if
I ever you know, when thewalk Ons crashes and burns, like backup
plans for starting a business. I'vealways thought about like doing something along the
lines of helping people, Helping guyswho come out of their career and they're
just like they reached that spot wherethey're like, oh, no one cares

(01:00:37):
about me anymore. It's like likeI don't know that. I don't I
don't know what you would call itor how you would turn it into a
business. But I know we hadan episode on it. Kevin talked a
lot about it, and a lotof people really resonated with it, and
it is weird, and I don'tthink they don't. You don't get a
lot of warning for it. Youknow, they tell you, like,

(01:01:00):
hey, cherish his time. It'sgood, it's the best time of your
life. They talk about how goodit is, but they don't talk about
like, oh, and by theway, when you get out, uh,
you're gonna feel like nothing's gonna hityou like a ship brick. Nothing
means anything, and and you're alsonothing. Nothing is gonna be this cool,
and you're gonna you're gonna hate it. So I actually I remember LeVar

(01:01:23):
Woods actually telling me there was akid that that it was like our last
game or whatever, and he's like, hey, you see that guy right
there, He's not going to knowwhat to do with his life tomorrow.
And at that time, I'm like, what are you talking about. There
was a guy that wasn't gonna goon and play in the NFL or anything.
Dude, he was so right.He was so freaking right. And
I think for me, it's it'sappreciating the time that you have when you

(01:01:47):
played, and appreciate that your brothersand obviously staying in contact with them,
but also coming to terms with thefact that like the best time of your
life is over. It already happened. Yeah. Yeah, And and I
don't mean to like say that mylife sucks because I've got great support system,
awesome freaking family, love my kids, but like I'm never gonna have

(01:02:07):
that again. But now, likeyou know, going into you know,
being in the booth, like I'mback in it, a little bit of
taste, you get yourself the sparkis it's yeah, there's there's some flares,
there's a little uh, there's alittle there, and it definitely is
cool that you get to kind oflatch back in. I don't what,

(01:02:28):
I don't know how what the doesthis include like appearances and stuff like that.
Do you do you have like obligationslike that stuff or I mean there
there has been stuff recently that I'vedone. I'm it's still so new to
it that I'm not for sure exactlywhat all entails, but there will appearances
and things like that, and youknow, it's just it's it's something that

(01:02:51):
I'll probably learn and see what's goingon. But right now I'm not at
the really at the point to sayno to anything. So pretty much I've
been saying yes to everything, andnow we know how we got them on
the podcast. Well, we won'ttake up any more of your time.
We appreciate you. I think offin this garage, you know, that

(01:03:14):
horrible decision by you for for inthe in the booth. You know,
I wanted to come naturally, likewhen I first, you know, when
they were like, hey, thisis the game that you're going to watch
and commentate on. Like I waslistening to the I was listening to radio
version because it's on YouTube, andI was watching the TV copy and I

(01:03:36):
was taking notes, and then Iwas recording I was going to say,
and I sounded like such a dorkand I sounded like like no, but
like I wouldn't even want to listento that at all. So then like
I was like, dude, amI overthinking this? Am I Am I
trying too hard? And so Iwent into it really kind of blind in
the sense where I just want toreact and be me and if they like

(01:03:59):
it, awesome, and if theydon't, well, at least then I
don't have to act like something thatI'm not. Yeah, so I'm hoping
that organically a catchphrase comes along beautiful. I'm sure it will. Thank you
for coming on the show. Yousound pretty optimistic. I am tired right
now because I for the last threedays have been painting the new house that

(01:04:23):
we're moving into, and it's beena long week already. I am thrilled
that you came on our show,and I'm I'm ecstatic that you're going to
be in the booth. I tobe honest, I don't think I ever
listened. I mean we would listenon the way to and from, like
the post the post game show,and the pre show. But if I
tune into a Hawky game, it'susually on the TV. I might do

(01:04:45):
the thing now where I put youand Dolphin and I match it to the
YouTube TV and I just run itlike that. And because I don't think
I can, I have to tuneinto you dolls. I appreciate that there's
no way that and I think everybodylistening to this podcast will too. You've
always been very supportive. I liketo I like to uh support those who

(01:05:11):
look like me, So can youstop with that? We all need we
all need helping, helping him.We got to lift each other up to
above. I think you've been fatterthough. Oh yeah, yeah for sure.
Yeah, all right, let yougo. I love you guys,
Thank you, We love you too, and I look forward to, uh

(01:05:32):
hopefully not letting you down. Andit was to see Kevin at the football
camp. He didn't show up too. I don't think Clever got an invite.
I kind of was like I waspseudo invited. But Jervos never really.
He didn't want there. He wantsthe big names, somebody that's played
in the NFL appearance fees for that. But well I asked him, I'm

(01:05:53):
like, did how much money yougoing to give me? Jack? And
he didn't give me any. ButI did get a cool hat. I
just saw that great race. Sixtyfive grand. He could have given you
at least a little He could thrownyou a bone a little bit. We
got donuts, Yeah, we gotdonuts and food. I'll tell you what,
man. Jake's a good dam thoughit's from assumption like he's a good
guy. But last year when Iwas leaving the camp. You know we've

(01:06:15):
been. It's a long day,Kevin, Like, it's a freaking long,
long day, and it's always thehottest day in the world. But
we're leaving. Jake does a lotof work setting it up, and I
think I'm the last one to leaveother than Jake. And he's sitting there
and he's picking up all the trashjust by himself. He got trash.
Cannes walk around picking up all thetrash like just a quality dude. Yeah.
I hate to say it, buthe is a good dude. He's

(01:06:36):
a good dude. For an assumptionguy, he's a good dude. All
Right, We're gonna let pack go. Thank everybody for tuning in and tune
in this fall to hear him andDolf call the Ioway Games. It's gonna
be amazing. We'll talk to younext week. I don't know who'll be
on, but love somebody till then. Peace. Man, I love you.
Thanks guys, Hey, thanks forlistening to the show. If you
want more, you can check usout on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram,

(01:06:59):
and YouTube searching Washed Up walk Ons, and if you're interested in supporting the
show, head over to patreon dotcom slash washed up walk Ons, where
you can find bonus podcasts, merchandise, and other cool perks. Best part,
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