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Normally I don't care for Michael Moore...but this film has my 100% stamp of approval.

Finally a big film feature pointing out the evils of Capitalism and calling for an end to it!

a direct link to the film site with trailer.

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I love Micheal Moore's movies.  They always make me cry.  (waiting for conservatives to tear me apart ..  .)

"Down with Capitalism, but not before you pay $12 to see my new major motion picture!  Don't forgot to get a copy on Blu-Ray too!"

LOL, I love liberal hypocrisy. It's a shame that there are people who fall for Moore's propaganda, but then I guess a sucker is born every minute.

"Down with Capitalism, but not before you pay $12 to see my new major motion picture!  Don't forgot to get a copy on Blu-Ray too!"

That's a lame point.  He can't make a movie?  You don't have to go see it.

Yeah, I think a documentary showing how the financial melt-down happened would be fascinating, but this doesn't appear to be it.

Muriel d. says:

That's a lame point.  He can't make a movie?  You don't have to go see it.
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It's not a lame point at all. The man's a hypocrite. He makes millions of dollars because of capitalism/consumerism and then bitches about it.

There was a great documentary on the bank meltdown in PBS or whatever the channel here is called.  A step by step narration with interviews of many CEOs and shit. . it was really interesting.  "Breaking the Bank".

pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front…

Muriel d. says:

That's a lame point.  He can't make a movie?  You don't have to go see it.
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It's not a lame point at all. The man's a hypocrite. He makes millions of dollars because of capitalism/consumerism and then bitches about it.
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It seems the point of the movie is more about bank bailouts than Capitalism in general.  He's not a bank CEO.

lol.

I knew the defenders of Capitalism would go for the obvious...(see Joshua's quote)

and it's a real shame that people fall for Capitalists propaganda and live with the fact that 2% of this country own 90% of its wealth.

.....and they are not of the 2%. LOL

If you have Netflix you can watch shit for free from your computer . . I wish people would watch something before they tear it apart.  Don't people ever watch shit that their opponents say just to see what their point is?  I do.  If you disagree with a point of view, you can even have a better debate next time someone argues with you.  I can see you not wanting to pay money to see the opponent's film, but there are plenty of ways to watch shit for free.  Then, you can make your argument against their point, but nobody even wants to hear out the other side before trying to argue against it.

Michael Moore's next movie should deal with his morbid obesity. I used to like the guy, but he's a spin artist, and really annoying.

Why do you hate America?

Hey, it's kind of hard to take him seriously when he says greed is bad and then eats 20 hot dogs.  

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Moore is known for producing agitprop. His manager is Rahm's brother.
He sent his kids to private school, and uses a private limo car service.

Also, I'm fine with the "down with capitalism" fringe, but please know you're fringe.
Democrats aren't supposed to be anti-capitalist, anti-American system.
(and if you're really an anti-capitalist i do begrudge you the ability to make a buck. give your film away)

I think the name of the movie isn't a good idea. .  because I don't even think he's against all capitalist ideas.  I'm still a fan of his, but I would love him to get a f@cking personal trainer and lose some weight - mostly because I feel like when one of your causes is healthcare it helps to look like you're not trying to end up i the hospital or get diabetes.

Well I agree with Moore and I'm gonna look for the torrent when the movie hits the theaters. :)

"2% of this country own 90% of its wealth."

Total wealth is not a fixed amount. This doesn't mean that the 90% is poorer as a result or somehow needs to 'get back' some of the 90%. They can create new wealth regardless of how wealthy others are.

That's a cool story.  I don't mind finding out why my friends have a different opinion than I do, I'm just trying to get in their head.  I'll stay away from name calling and personal attacks.  

Most people who aren't liberal refuse to even watch it.  I think it's funny, my dad's liberal on most things but he's been known to listen to Ruch Limbaugh just to see what he's saying today.

muriel, don't bother with these idiots, they're beyond reasoning with.

Bobby "I'm A Cracker" H. says:

He puts vomit forth Yvonne. His films are totally fact less. But people see them as fact. I have no problem with his films as entertainment.
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He offered $10,000 to anyone that could find anything in Fahrenheit 9/11 that was factually incorrect and no one could claim the money. After he was criticized about a couple of inconsistencies in Bowling for Columbine he made sure his facts were checked and rechecked. Simply put your statement is wrong.

Michael Moore's films make some good points, but they're so embarassing to watch.  Just when you think he's about to make an epiphany, he throws around some shoddy logic, poor choices of evidence, and reduces things down to sensationalism.  I thought Bowling for Columbine was great, but everything since has been shittier and shittier.  There's so much lost potential: his films are not really for changing people's minds with facts and good arguments, they're for reinforcing people's beliefs who are already sympathetic to his message.  In that way, he's far too much like Rush Limbaugh for me to take him seriously.

Josh "Save water drink beer" B. says:
It's like you guys can come up with something better...
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I might not be as good as him when it comes to his ability to masterfully pull off ambush-interviews and make people look like assholes, and I'm certainly no cinematographer and can't begin to make a genuinely interesting film.  However, I can definitely do more and better quality research than he does for his films, and I know how to properly back a thesis with convincing evidence.

whaaaaaaaaatttt??

: In that way, he's far too much like Rush Limbaugh for me to take him seriously.

+1.  

However, like Rush, he has a talent for getting information across in an entertaining manner.

i think he means capitalism, in that, its a system that allowed for what happened to  happen.

I'll see it, but it sucks that he goes crazy in his movies and then the message he's trying to get across gets lost in the hype.

I don't care what anyone thinks, but I do believe that Sicko was a highly informative movie.

agreed Kirk.

I generally don't like Moore, Maher, Limbaugh, or any others similar to them at all....but once in great while they will put out something that I can appreciate.

I still have to see this movie before I determine whether I approve of it but the premise alone I am all for as stated in my first post.

Laura J. says:

Moore is known for producing agitprop. His manager is Rahm's brother.
He sent his kids to private school, and uses a private limo car service.
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What entertainment producer/ mogul doesn't use a car service and send their kids to private school.  Big deal......

"Breaking the Bank," produced by Frontline is the best thing I have seen regarding the financial meltdown.

Henry Paulson is the man who ultimately was running the financial industry.....

pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front…

Frontline does some great stuff.  The one called The Dark Side (i think) is about the bs leading up to the war in Iraq

I think MM is interesting and pretty well thought out.  His objective is to prove a point and massage facts to get his message across and to illicit a strong opinion both negative and positive.  By most accounts he succeeds.

Regarding capitalism I think it will be interesting but pretty vanilla.  I will bet that he will blame banks investment banks and AIG, derivatives (credit default swaps), the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act, the rating agency's, and the bank lavish pay culture.  Also I am sure he will point to the Goldman Sachs infiltration of the government.  The one group that he will not criticize is the individual that made 50k and bought at 650k house.

However you will not get any serious discussion on what is a better system? Or what is the solution and what does inequality mean?  I don't know that answer (or grammar for that matter) but I think inequality will always exist but what everyone should have equality to is access.  Which is a long way of saying everyone should have the access to the same basic level of education, health care and opportunity and special consideration should be given to people based on a "means testing" aka based on income.

Sorry for the length

I think his movies aim to start that discussion rather than have it on screen.

my 10th grade civics class was shown Roger & Me for that very purpose.

"Geoffrey N. says:
What entertainment producer/ mogul doesn't use a car service and send their kids to private school.  Big deal......"

Oh, I don't know, maybe the arrogant fuck who claims he's standing by the union man, who ridicules corporate CEO's on camera, and who has now let a MARKETING company send out press releases billing his film product is "anti-Capitalist" ?
You sound enamored with the "movie mogul" but he makes a living exposing fat cats when he's no better.

Manufacturing Dissent is on Youtube. The film is an honest look into Moore's credibility. Things get good around part 7.

Yvonne,  Have you seen the movie? I presume you haven't either, so what are you defending?
A filmmaker who built his career without integrity.  
Does integrity mean anything to you Yvonne?

I think I've had to ask you that question before. Hmmm.

I think Michael Moore should make a movie about the dangers of being morbidly obese, and how over-indulgent eaters like him cost us millions in increased healthcare costs.

Have another doughnut Moore, and tell us how evil capitalism is. Let's see him move to a socalist country and try to pull the stunts he does now.

In business, there are always going to be winners and losers. Dunmb people who buy homes at double the price they can afford need to blame someone. then, when they are refused a loan, they blame someone as well.

sigh. It's not capitalism that's evil, it's parents who refuse to ensure their kids are well educated

Cary says:

....."In business, there are always going to be winners and losers. Dunmb people who buy homes at double the price they can afford need to blame someone. then, when they are refused a loan, they blame someone as well."
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yes, there are always 2 ways to look at things.  I never bought a house, but my sister did and she said they offered her loans she knew she couldn't afford and she said no to them. So, yes, people were dumb but that doesn't mean the banks weren't dishonest as well.

No argument there!

I'm on the fence about that one.  I think about the people I've reconnected with from my past, and the ones who are successful are almost all the kids who had great parents and a stable family life who were guided and watched and helped with their homework, etc.  So I have to sometimes think that it must suck to have shitty parents or no guidance when you are in high school and making college and career decisions, because it affects your life forever after that.  There are so many things I just didn't "get" when I was younger, and although I went back to school and finished and took many classes after college, I f@cked up my life when my parents divorced and bounced us back and forth from one parent's house to another. .  I wouldn't have even gone to college if my teachers and guidance counselor hadn't felt sorry for me and helped me get my shit together.  So I think about kids that had it even worse, and I can't see how they would have the knowledge not to fall for the stupid traps of life, and no one educating them about many life lessons.

That fat fuck should thank his lucky stars that capitalists pay their hard earned capitalistic money to view his propoganda....

If that piece of shit hates this country so much......move to Cuba or some "non capitalistic nivana" country.......

Go eat a double double you ahole.......

I think people should take responsibility for their actions, but it shouldn't be impossible for you to get yourself out of a hole, either.  No one makes no mistakes in life.  If you're screwing up your life constantly, I get it, but in some situations, you are f@cked once you make a mistake.

david says:

If that piece of shit hates this country so much......move to Cuba or some "non capitalistic nivana" country.......
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But the way some of us see it, if you love your country you want to stay here and make changes that you think are going to help it, and its people.  Patriotism isn't taking things as they are and never questioning anything, it's fighting to change things for the better.  

You may not think what he likes is "better" for us, and that's your right, but questioning people's patriotism for having different views is really getting old.

I'm confused - how does Michael Moore lack "integrity"? - for sure, he has a point of view that disagrees with yours, but how is that a lack of integrity? He does more research than a Breitbart website or Drudge or Fox News or whoever you consider a trusted source. The fact he picks and chooses his data is up to him...just know that when you watch it. (Same as me whan I watch Glenn Beck...i think he's batshit crazy but I don't think he lacks integrity)

That said, i likely won't see this movie, other than for entertainment value. I was inside the banking system -- there's a lot of blame to go around, to everyone. From Dubya to senators to political appointees to regulators to bankers to ratings agencies to home owners. Everyone got caught up in it.

So when that happens, when everyone takes it up the hoop, you need to look around and see who's getting made whole, and by whom. And who is left holding the bag.

"That fat fuck should thank his lucky stars that capitalists pay their hard earned capitalistic money to view his propoganda...."

True, propaganda is best served up from thin conversative filmmakers. They make the good stuff. And I hear Michael Moore eats little church-going children -- that's why he's so big. And he washes them down with Kool-aid.

But isn't the fact that a crazy left-wing filmmaker, who has made three top-grossing documentaries with a leftwing slant in the past 8 years, a big enough chunk of evidence that perhaps the "fact" that america is an "essentialy conservative" country may indeed be changing?

How many more elections does the right need to lose before they understand this?

What you're seeing now is the thrashing around of an angry minority who are indeed "losing their america" -- just a british loyalists and slave owners once lost their america.

It's like gay marraige here - sure prop 8 was a failure, but that was because the opposition was organzied (and scared enough of their fellow citizens that they wanted to protect their viewpoint in the constitution by denying, not enshrining, rights).

Look at these things over 20, 30, 40 years....the next generation already doesn't give a shit about gay marriage. So it'll be the norm at some point.

This same "centralization" of america is happening everywhere, just like it's happened in every other "liberal" industrialized country.

The only reason it's been slower here is a 2-party system, where both aprties play their schmuck extreme wings off the other.

David P. - Please address the blatant hypocrisy of marketing a film as anti-capitalist. Thank you. I realize you might have to take time out from selling Che t-shirts, and might miss the point here.

Yvonne - You do realize we're opposing the concept, as it's being marketed to us, and not the film itself. To be so pretentious as to claim you're defending Cinema, or we're chastising all of Cinema is beyond absurd. We're not debating it's filmic qualities of the right to make the film, so much as the filmmaker, his track record, and his choice of topics. He has a history of being manipulative, and he's not exactly known as some Cinematic genius....he creates agitprop, which you like. I'll ask you though - if you support Michael Moore, and his freedom of speech, then how can you support Obama's choice for diversity Czar, Mark Lloyd, who writes books approaching free speech as a loophole that needs to be closed. Please answer.  K,thanx.

TC - How does Michael Moore lack integrity? For starters, he actually interviewed Roger Smith twice on camera, and lied about it to jump start his career.  Are you always on the losing side of an ethics discussion? Apparently so.

Laura -- I get tired of asking you this, but can you provide any details of this lack of integrity? Or will it once again rely on me checking out the Drudge Report? His webpage layout hurts my eyes!

You love to make this personal with me, don't you? Not sure why...compensating for something? BTW, it's not illegal for you to be racist or to have tinfoil hat theories about the president -- you're covered under the constitution.

TC -   Trust me, you'll know when this is personal. It's not personal.  You can watch a film called Manufacturing Dissent on You Tube... I suggest parts 8-10.  Michael Moore interviewed Roger Smith.  The transcripts were published in Premiere magazine.

Muriel d. says:

Cary says:

....."In business, there are always going to be winners and losers. Dunmb people who buy homes at double the price they can afford need to blame someone. then, when they are refused a loan, they blame someone as well."
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yes, there are always 2 ways to look at things.  I never bought a house, but my sister did and she said they offered her loans she knew she couldn't afford and she said no to them. So, yes, people were dumb but that doesn't mean the banks weren't dishonest as well.

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What I am trying to say Muriel, is that we chose a very proressive path in this country. It can be improved, for sure, but the ability to choose one's destiny (take out a loan, start a business, fail, start again, etc) is what makes it to exciting to live here.

Remember Col Sanders? He was an old man before he succeeded wityh KFC, but he did it. And where else could an African America start a company the size of American Express?

Now, for people that like a "social net", and for the government to take care of them, for those that are not careful and judicious like your sister, the US can eat them up alive. Those are the people whose homes were repossessed.

But isn't it funny that when some people go broke, others just get richer? It's about personal initiative.

And guess what? Moore has it. He found his niche. To me, he is nothing more than a business man. I don't believe he cares about his cause. He is a sensationalist, like Perez Hilton.

And man, has he got us by the @#$%. But you know what? I can at least admire that aspect of what he has done.

So bravo MM. You managed to get everyone riled up (second only to Al Gore)

Sorry, I will use spell check from now on, my keyboard is sticking!

Sorry, not convinced, but let's say he doesn't have integrity...does it matter more that he lacks integrity AND his politics disagree with yours?

Glenn Beck rants on for 20 mins on "socialist" symbols in Rockfeller Center, which is...quite funny. Does he lack integrity? He's creating a "truth" from whole cloth.

"T "to the" C. says:
Sorry, not convinced, but let's say he doesn't have integrity...does it matter more that he lacks integrity"

That said everything. Yes, TC.... some of us still care about integrity. Clearly not you.

Yvonne - I am omniscient. Get it right. Since you're not defending Moore, you should have no problem with anyone sharing critical opinions of him, or the idea that he would create a product to market that is billing itself as anti-capitalist.

socialism is the future- from each according to their ability, to each according to their need

Moore understands the importance of never letting facts get in the way of his great stories. I think that's OK, the only problem comes when you also claim you are making documentaries.

Here's a neat (though a few years old) piece about a pretty left Canadian production house that took a close look at him cbc.ca/arts/film/dissent…

: The one group that he will not criticize is the individual that made 50k and bought at 650k house.

+1.   The beauty of Capitalism is without miseducated consumers, predatory lenders wouldn't have any customers and would therefor go out of business.  

Capitalism wasn't the problem; lack of oversight and lack of education was.  His "conclusion" that Capitalism must be destroyed seems to ignore these two things.

It's not capitalism at fault but really bad people who play it and the group who want to protect those who lost their status and the changing of the game when they lost the game that's at fault.
Once a month I hear someone saying they have an inside tip. You're only hearing what they want you to hear.

I've come to this thread late and don't see much point reviewing all the posts, but if it's like any other Yelp thread about politics, y'all have some growing up to do.  Blaming corporate America's problems on the consumers and shareholders who they're supposed to be serving is pretty lame.  If you can have sympathy for the guys who ran off with the loot on account of there being less loot to run off with these days, I trust you have even more sympathy for those whose loot they stole.

Jim B. says:

socialism is the future- from each according to their ability, to each according to their need

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Which is why our Canadian friends are dying waiting for "covered" healthcare spots for operations (up to a year for heart surgery), and the French are always on strike. (by the way, nothing is "free". It comes off their paycheck)

Look what socialism has done in France: 60% payroll taxes, and government pensions still drying up: meaning people are paying a lot to get nothing when they retire.

I watched all of Moore's other movies, so why would I expect this one to be any different?

I liked SICKO.  Seems rather timely now.

Haha!

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Cary "Slap your troubles away with the slap chop" K. says:

Jim B. says:

socialism is the future- from each according to their ability, to each according to their need

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Which is why our Canadian friends are dying waiting for "covered" healthcare spots for operations (up to a year for heart surgery), and the French are always on strike. (by the way, nothing is "free". It comes off their paycheck)

Look what socialism has done in France: 60% payroll taxes, and government pensions still drying up: meaning people are paying a lot to get nothing when they retire.

I watched all of Moore's other movies, so why would I expect this one to be any different?
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Canadians wait up to a year for heart surgery? Do they also go bankrupt paying for that heart surgery, or pay up the wazoo for healthcare when they're unemployed or not covered by their employer, or go without health insurance if they can't afford it, or hate their health insurance companies alot too?

Maybe French workers would rather be militant knowing that it is their labor that creates the wealth in the companies they work in, instead of "thank you, boss, please ship my job to a sweatshop; don't give me raise, cut my benefits, while you're at it, give yourself a bonus while running this company into the ground; and oh, before you kick me to the curb, please ram that broomstick further up my rear-end, thank you again, boss. Someday boss I'll be rich like you, too. I didn't have your wealthy upbringing, but someday boss I'll be rich like you, too. I have to take out a lot of loans to go to school, but someday boss I'll be rich like you, too. You sure made a bundle when you sold that company, boss, just like winning the lottery, so I'm buying me some scratchers, head out to Cache Creek, so someday boss I'll be rich like you, too"

60% payroll taxes in France? That's it? For all the benefits those payroll taxes pay for, including allowing a parent to stop working or work less in order to look after their child! They really get help to stay with their newborns? Wait, did those taxes pay for the invasion of Iraq?

Government pensions still drying up: meaning people are paying a lot to get nothing when they retire! Is that like when people's savings and 401k's "professionally" managed by Wall Street ponzi-schemers get wiped out by theft and stock market crashes? And, now these same corporations want to do away with Social Security and "professionally" manage everyone's retirement money?

Treason.

Why do liberals hate capitalism?

Is Moore going to give all of his money to charity?

Michael Moore, to me, is the movie industry's version of an ambulance-chasing lawyer; they claim to represent you when all they are doing is moving in for "the kill"

umesh:bookmark

socialism, communism, capitalism : all we love to do is blame the platform instead of the people who misuse and abuse these platforms

it is similar to a quote I once read on concerns about porn flooding a layman's internet experience: "there is absolutely nothing there on the internet ... unless you look for it"

Greed, as the basis of the capitalism, just doesn't sit well with me. The current form that capitalism has developed into- corporate capitalism, has brought about the concentration of wealth and power into the hands the ruling elite- the millionaires and billionaires, who see everyone else as disposable cogs in the gears of their corporations. Where greed is the motivator, an advantage of one person over another, whether it be more intelligence or being stronger, leads to the enslavement of the inferior by the superior. A better alternative might be a collective, rather than a greedy/capitalist, outlook. With a collective outlook, everyone is motivated by the well-being of all. In a collective society, a person uses their talents to the betterment of all, instead of scheming and back-stabbing to gain wealth and power.

If Moore gets people's brains off their ass and makes people question the world around them.. he's earned his money.

Jim B. says:
With a collective outlook, everyone is motivated by the well-being of all. In a collective society, a person uses their talents to the betterment of all, instead of scheming and back-stabbing to gain wealth and power.
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are you sure you're talking about humans?

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Ryan "Lounge Fly" M. says:

Jim B. says:
With a collective outlook, everyone is motivated by the well-being of all. In a collective society, a person uses their talents to the betterment of all, instead of scheming and back-stabbing to gain wealth and power.
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are you sure you're talking about humans?
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Humans are inherently good, Ryan. Your parents didn't throw you out with the trash when they first glared at your face at birth. Just kidding, love ya

Kirk "type nickname here" S. says:
If Moore gets people's brains off their ass and makes people question the world around them.. he's earned his money.
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i'm poor. he must give most of that away. fooking greedy basterd.

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Bobby "I'm A Cracker" H. says:
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That's what Castro promised the Cuban people. I'll take care of all your problems. Their will be no more wealthy. Everyone will be equal. Healthcare for all.

What did they get? A brutal  totalitarian dictatorship.
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No one person is going to take care of all the problems, Bobby. It's through collective action that problems get taken care of. And it takes time for people's mind to progress from it's-all-about-me greed, to caring for others. Not to disagree that Cuba is undemocratic, but isn't healthcare in Cuba better than most Caribbean countries? Kinda off topic, but although Cuba has a large black population, why is the Cuban American community, overwhelmingly white? just wondering

How can you criticize a movie that's not even out yet?

Sure is generous of you to be willing to take other people's money Jim B.

"Maybe French workers would rather be militant knowing that it is their labor that creates the wealth in the companies they work in."  Incorrect.  The IDEA of the company is what set the foundation for the wealth.  Any simpleton can labor, and their labor can be easily replaced.  A good idea is the moneymaker.

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Daniel M. says:

Sure is generous of you to be willing to take other people's money Jim B.

"Maybe French workers would rather be militant knowing that it is their labor that creates the wealth in the companies they work in."  Incorrect.  The IDEA of the company is what set the foundation for the wealth.  Any simpleton can labor, and their labor can be easily replaced.  A good idea is the moneymaker.
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Whose money is it really, Daniel? So IDEA CUT the trees, that PRODUCE the napkin that IDEA gets written on, that ASSEMBLE the IDEA, that DRIVE the trucks that carry the IDEA, that STOCK THE SHELVES of the IDEA? So IDEA is gonna do all that so wealth is created, Daniel? Next time you might need to CALL customer service about the IDEA, see how good low-paid, low-skill simpleton labor answers your questions. Maybe, the money really should go more to the makers, Daniel.

"Down with Capitalism, but not before you pay $12 to see my new major motion picture!  Don't forgot to get a copy on Blu-Ray too!"

LOL, I love liberal hypocrisy. It's a shame that there are people who fall for Moore's propaganda, but then I guess a sucker is born every minute.

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It's not a lame point at all. The man's a hypocrite. He makes millions of dollars because of capitalism/consumerism and then bitches about it.

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excellent point! if capitalism wasnt around, he wouldnt be able to make money off of his movies.

Whose money is it really, Daniel? So IDEA CUT the trees, that PRODUCE the napkin that IDEA gets written on, that ASSEMBLE the IDEA, that DRIVE the trucks that carry the IDEA, that STOCK THE SHELVES of the IDEA? So IDEA is gonna do all that so wealth is created, Daniel? Next time you might need to CALL customer service about the IDEA, see how good low-paid, low-skill simpleton labor answers your questions. Maybe, the money really should go more to the makers, Daniel.

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nothing you said makes any sense.  Yes, the person who saw a demand for his/her idea, invested the money, paid for the trucks being driven, and paid for the building and phones deserves the lions share of the profits.  Without that initial idea, none of those jobs would have been created.  it is ideas that matter and the reason that this country has been a world power so long.  we value ingenuity and risk taking over playing it safe.

Jim B. says:

-- see how good low-paid, low-skill simpleton labor answers your questions. Maybe, the money really should go more to the makers, Daniel.
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I think you just prove my point that Capitalist are truly douche bags.

wait till it comes out...then you might have something to judge.

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Daniel M. says:
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nothing you said makes any sense.  Yes, the person who saw a demand for his/her idea, invested the money, paid for the trucks being driven, and paid for the building and phones deserves the lions share of the profits.  Without that initial idea, none of those jobs would have been created.  it is ideas that matter and the reason that this country has been a world power so long.  we value ingenuity and risk taking over playing it safe.
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Let me make it simple for you. Ideas themselves are a dime a dozen, it take the work of actual people, workers, in exchange for fair and livable wages, working together, to turn those ideas into reality.  Ok, a capitalist might have the money to pay for a driver, construction worker, receptionist; to drive the truck, pour concrete, answer the phones, but what if there were no workers? Without workers, none of the jobs would have been done, and the capitalist will have no profits at all. And how lion share of the profits does the capitalist deserve? The less the capitalist pay the workers, the more profit the capitalist make- maximizing profit is the goal of the capitalist. So, the capitalist is always finding ways to grab profit from the wealth produced in the company, while leaves less wages for workers. In this winner-takes-all, deregulated, corporate dominated economy, workers wages haven't improved, benefits cut, while the executives get huge bonuses and golden parachutes.  More and more, it's not fair and livable wages anymore. In fact, it can be argued, that workers as consumers had to resort to credit spending to maintain middle-class lifestyles because their wages have stagnated. About ingenuity and risk taking, workers everyday find  ingenious ways to streamline the company which translates directly to the bottom line, and take risk when they work for a company- time that they might better spent working for another company, so it's an opportunity risk. Workers really deserve more than to be treated like expendable cogs in the corporate machine, while the capitalist often times get most of the windfall.

And this pretty wacky but true: the way capitalism has developed today, the capitalist may have raised funding from workers' pension funds, boggles the mind, doesn't it, Daniel?

i can't imagine he isn't happy with capitalism. the only thing fatter than his ass is his wallet.

Ideas themselves are a dime a dozen

Ah, but good ideas are not.  What if there were no workers?  When has that ever been the case?

I don't disagree David, but there is still a large amount of risk the individual assumes to start that business up.  If I am putting my ass on the line financially, I expect to reap the rewards if I am successful.  This doesn't mean I pay my workers like crap.

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Daniel M. says:

Ideas themselves are a dime a dozen

Ah, but good ideas are not.  What if there were no workers?  When has that ever been the case?
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Exactly Daniel, there were and are always going be workers and good ideas, but I don't think there were always and are going to always be, capitalists. This is just a stage of history, Daniel,- capitalism, it will hopefully soon pass.

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This doesn't mean I pay my workers like crap.
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thanks Daniel. When you start a company or maybe you run one right now, please treat your workers decently.

This is an example of the false consciousness that allows us to let these corporations get away with taking our money and using it to screw us over.  Remember, these companies didn't make their money by making products like medicine, gasoline, or food and selling it.  At issue is the fact that they took OUR money, money we gave the government to spend on things that help us.  I'd guess that most of us on this site actually work for a living (unless we are on student loans, etc.), we don't get rich off government bailouts.  
Why did they need a government bailout, corporate welfare?  Who said they get it not us?  Oh, because they took our money and decided to gamble with it, and then lost.  Who's the stupid, irresponsible one here?  
This film isn't about "Capitalism" as you and I know it.  It's about people who operate on a different set of rules here.

someone please tell that fat f_ck to stop consuming 100X's his worth. as a regular person though not even regarding his inefficient douchebagness......

what?

que ?

if that were the case we'd have to ban most of the right wingers on yelp...

right wingers in cali ?

all I know is michael more needs to spread his dinner meal around, along with his wealth.

as usual with this kind of stuff, it's not that simple.  moore does exaggerate and pull silly stunts to make his points.  he plays fast and loose with facts to suit his agenda at times and that can be annoying.  he's far from perfect and is probably a hypocrite to some degree.  but that doesn't mean his assertions are all without merit.  get over his weight and stop assuming things have to be black or white for Christ's sake.

it bums me out that he pulls stupid shit that weakens his message, as I think he could make stronger films if he'd check himself a bit, but that doesn't mean he's not an important alternative voice, sanctimonious though he may be.

Many Chinese film makers would love to be in Moore's same position of releasing a movie criticizing it's govt.

It must be a love story

"he plays fast and loose with facts to suit his agenda at times"

Bullshit! The facts are the facts. Perhaps you don't agree with his interpretation of them but it's pretty clear in his films what are facts and what are his opinions.

Noah "one of those people" O. says:
all I know is michael more needs to spread his dinner meal around, along with his wealth.
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As irrational and bad as his films are, can you really pretend you're better than him when you hurl personal insults at him instead of meaningful critiques of his films/stances?

Noah "one of those people" O. says:

someone please tell that fat f_ck to stop consuming 100X's his worth. as a regular person though not even regarding his inefficient douchebagness......
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Oh great, another fucktard on yelp talk.

yes.

because I am not propagandizing my political wish list along with the desert menu.. please tell that obese f_ck to stop consuming the environment.....

seriously how many trees does he kill with every bowl movement ?

; )

youtube.com/watch?v=9iZS…

lol i just like the music.......

Michael Moore is a real American, exercising his right - as an american - to question our country's policies.
The same can be said about his counterparts on the right(as much as I desagree with them).

You don't like the points he makes in his films?

Think he's a hack who dishes out false information?

Think he's a fat fuck?

Well, he's both more motivated and more passionate about America than any of you faux-conservatives trolling this thread; eeing as he's put out numerous pieces of work, while your only outlet is Yelp....

I once found him to be on point, using his own pull to say what he had to say, but anymore I think he's nothing more than a self-promoting slob.

Honestly, if you really have something to say which you wish the public to hear, you wouldn't charge the public to obtain the information.

"oh, it's all right here in my new book [insert witty snarky title here]"

Michael Moore is no better than anyone else and certainly isn't an American hero, but he sure does know how to manipulate the public for his own capitalist endeavors, so I gotta give the man props there.

what did you do with the real frank?

Is he going to donate all of his profits to charity?

Dennis "delicately stroking your feet" A. says:

Michael Moore is a real American, exercising his right - as an american - to question our country's policies.
The same can be said about his counterparts on the right(as much as I desagree with them).

You don't like the points he makes in his films?

Think he's a hack who dishes out false information?

Think he's a fat fuck?

Well, he's both more motivated and more passionate about America than any of you faux-conservatives trolling this thread; eeing as he's put out numerous pieces of work, while your only outlet is Yelp....

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Well effing said! :)

Maybe this already came up..MM on Leno?  Many free showings in cities hit hardest by it all.

In a fast paced world, few have time to sit on their asses and link together all the events.  MM mission in life is to show his, and often popular, perspective on major events.  He is good at it and it's entertaining--to most.  This is his trade...should he not be compensated for it?  And should his compensation not increase as he gets better and better?  it's just like any other job.  I know I expect it at mine...why shouldn't he?

Not that it makes any difference to his talent...but on Leno, they also discussed recent weight loss.  Lots of judging on his non-related vice...I dont make the connection.  It's not like he made Super-Sized  ahaha

wow, what a bunch of snarky snarks....

MM is fantastic- his facts are solid, people just don't 'like' those facts (kind of like how christians don't 'like' facts of evolution) His appearance has nothing to do with anything (except to reveal how shallow & nasty some people's comments are) and just diverts attention away from his points. The movie isn't about how we should abolish capitalism, it's a critique on some capitalistic concepts and offers ways to solve them. He's all about democracy...remember that?

If he can give an honest critique of capitalism I'd love to hear it.  The last two years and the polarizing of our country are a great example of how Capitalism is in theory great but in reality has some critical flaws that many seem unable to admit to.  

Instead, I think you're just gonna get another partisan plug.

That's great . Why don't you watch it first?

Because by watching it I'm paying him $9.50 even if it's a pile of donkey dung, which exposes a critical flaw of Capitalism right there.

I highly recommend anyone to watch this film. The scenes showing Moore trying to approach the NY stock brokers and the CEO are brilliant (people applauded in the movie theater); the stories of the families suffering foreclosures and being expelled from their homes, tragic and overwhelming. On the other hand,  Moore's nod to Obama doesn't end up spoiling the film (at least not to those who didn't vote neither Republicans nor Democrats) ;-)

John you of all people should realize that you can watch it for free... you're all about the tech nerd gadget shit.

That reminds me, time to logon to Youporn so I can check out your mom's latest movie.

that was a dissapointing come back. you should get back together with anna

Hey, I just woke up.  Cut me some slack.  

I just cracked a good one on Jenny K. but no one even noticed.  Maybe I'm loosing my touch.

I did like your crack on jon b.

I'm really surprised such a movie would do well in San Francisco