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  1. Ben P.
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    One of the things I love about Tea Party participants is that they combine a touching purported love for the Constitution with a shocking ignorance of what that damn thing actually says.

    Case in point: a recent debate between TP centerfold Christine O'Donnell and qualified candidate Chris Coons (a debate held at a law school) found O'Donnell expressing her belief that public school teachers should be allowed to teach flat-out creationism.  Okay, not that surprising that she feels that way.  But, as the debate wore on, O'Donnell cited the Founding Fathers' "indispensable principles" when arguing for a small federal government.  Coons took the opportunity to remind O'Donnell that separation of church and state was one such "indispensable principle" that had been enshrined in the Constitution.  That drew the follow rebuttal from O'Donnell, which I'll simply quote, because I couldn't possibly improve upon it:

    "Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?"

    News reports suggest that, even over the radio, the audience's collective gasp was audible.  But, heck, anyone could make a small verbal stumble, right?  It's not like she was really serious, right?  Which is why, when Coons went back to the issue, she clarified herself, right?

    "The First Amendment establishes the separation, the fact that the federal government shall not establish religion," Coons said.

    "The First Amendment does?" O'Donnell interrupted. "You're telling me that the separation of church and state is found in the First Amendment?"

    Now, the First Amendment IS pretty long, so I guess one of the "indispensable principles" O'Donnell finds so important could just, you know, get lost in the shuffle.  I mean, check out how big the First Amendment is:

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    Oh, well, I guess it's kinda the very first thing the very first amendment says.  But, since the TP hates politicians and slick spin-meisters and whatnot, I assume O'Donnell came out afterwards and copped to the mistake with honesty, integrity, and class, right?

    "She simply made the point that the phrase appears nowhere in the Constitution," campaign spokesbeing Matt Moran said.

    Nice save, Captain Cool.  You will be joined, momentarily, by several cartoon avatars who will explain why this Moran just MUST be right.

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  2. G H.
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    Yes, she blew it but not because she was wrong.   She was accurate.  But it was foolish to try  to make the point in a debate.  She sounded confused and that is a mistake in front of law students who think they are Mensa.

    Score one for the bearded Communist.  

    BTW,  why do all you haters only focus on one or two of the many?   That tells me a lot about you.

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  3. Jhoe G.
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    Her response to her disagreement with many supreme court case rulings was stellar. "which cases?"  " you tell me"

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  5. Jhoe G.
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    Bill "Not the dickless lawyer" R. says:

    It's Ben! You found time to join us.

    Was the line at the gloryhole too long?
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    homophobic much?

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  6. John H.
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    Bobby talks about drinking c*m, Bill talks about rainbows and gloryholes, and Ralph prances around in pirate gear...

    Juuuust sayin'

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  7. Darin E.
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    G "Now in Obama's shackles" H. says:  
    "She sounded confused"
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    What load of horse shit.  She sounded like a reh-tard.  It must suck to personally identify with your candidate of choice.

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    G "Now in Obama's shackles" H. says:

    BTW,  why do all you haters only focus on one or two of the many?   That tells me a lot about you.
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    Show me a decent Tea Party candidate, GH.  That's right there isn't one.  I mean seriously.

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  10. Laura J.
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    Joe "Pickles" G. says:

    Bill "Not the dickless lawyer" R. says:

    It's Ben! You found time to join us.

    Was the line at the gloryhole too long?
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    homophobic much?
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    Joe - Why do you associate gloryholes as a homosexual activity?

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  11. Laura J.
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    She didn't challenge that the Constitution bars the "establishment of religion."

    The Constitution, by its own terms, prohibits the establishment of a state religion but the way in which the separation between church and state is enacted is entirely up to doctrine, as nothing in the Constitution specifies.

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  13. Georgio N.
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    Laura, cause that is homosexual slang...  Hello dingbat?

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gl…

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  15. John P.
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    Um,  just for the record and personal curiosity,  is there such a thing as a heterosexual glory hole?  I mean,  I've never been inclined to find one but.....

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  17. Darin E.
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    John, thank you for mentioning that...I've never heard of a hetero glory hole.

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  18. Laura J.
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    Geoffrey N. says:
    "Laura, cause that is homosexual slang...  Hello dingbat?"

    Your link doesn't support that claim, which seems biased and homophonic to me.

    Gloryhole sex exists like orgies exist, and as a porn genre, it's not strictly a homosexual act.

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    Che "FUC'er" D. says:"sounds like the weasley logic of someone who wants to force christianity upon us all"

    Not really. It's the difference between reading the Constitution and mistaking Lincoln's Constitution Papers for the Constitution itself.

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  20. Bill R.
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    Joe is completely off base.
    I don't judge people for that kind of stuff.

    Go play PC Cop on some other thread retard!

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    Laura J. says:

    Geoffrey N. says:
    "Laura, cause that is homosexual slang...  Hello dingbat?"

    Your link doesn't support that claim, which seems biased and homophonic to me.

    Gloryhole sex exists like orgies exist, and as a porn genre, it's not strictly a homosexual act.

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    Uh sure....

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    Bill "Not the dickless lawyer" R. says:

    Joe is completely off base.
    I don't judge people for that kind of stuff.

    Go play PC Cop on some other thread retard!
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    Classy...don't get mad

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  23. Georgio N.
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    Bill "Not the dickless lawyer" R. says:

    Joe is completely off base.
    I don't judge people for that kind of stuff.

    Go play PC Cop on some other thread retard!
    ____________________________

    Sure you don't Bill...   You have no prejudice whatsoever.

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  24. Tsada K.
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    I'd like to know where a nice young lady can find a decent glory hole in the bay area?

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  25. John H.
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    Power Exchange?

    Wow, I just used Power Exchange as a legitimate answer!  What do I win?!?

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  26. Jewsyka V.
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    Tsada, fancy you should ask. I was thinking of starting a woman owned glory hole co-op, for hetero women who just can't seem to find enough dick to suck in their day-to-day lives.

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  27. Jewsyka V.
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    *saws hole in wall at Nordstrom Women's Lounge*

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    That's a fantastic idea, Jewsy!

    *applies lip balm*

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  31. Jewsyka V.
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    Aine, I certainly hope not. We should implement some sort of hazardous materials program so we'll know what to do should any spotted dicks pop in.

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  32. John H.
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    ** leaves work and heads to Nordstrom **

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  33. Ben P.
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    How did my O'Donnell thread turn into a glory hole fact finding mission?

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  34. John H.
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    Don't all Yelp political threads eventually lead to glory hole finding missions, at least in a figurative sense?

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  36. G H.
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    Ben -- it was boredom.

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  40. John P.
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    Ooooh,  I dated someone with Vitigligo once.  There was indeed a spot.  It was easy to overcome considering the rest of the "package".

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  41. Tsada K.
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    In response to Jewsy's glory hole event in the Ladies' Lounge, Nordstrom will also be featuring an array of assless leather chaps for juniors.  You can find them in the Brass Plum department.

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  42. W O.
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    O'Donnell went on to say:

    "Where in the [Nordstrom] is the [glory hole]?"

    and

    "The [Glory hole] does?" O'Donnell interrupted. "You're telling me that the [glory hole] is found in [Nordstrom]?"

    It's all right there... shame on you to overlook this, benp.

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  44. John P.
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    Those assless chaps work wonders for those with a tail!

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  45. Jhoe G.
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    Jewsyka V. says:

    *saws hole in wall at Nordstrom Women's Lounge*
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    *books hole at Nordstrom Women's Lounge*

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  49. Bill R.
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    Denise these idiots don't care about the constitution.
    I'm outta here!

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  50. Tsada K.
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    But Denise, if you won't care about the glory holes, who will?

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  51. Hank B.
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    how can anyone be an atheist and believe in intelligent design?

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    Che "FUC'er" D. says:
    "Ignoring Lincoln.
    If you make creationism part of the standard curriculum in public schools, you are, by that act, establishing Christianity as the national religion, because public schools are federally funded.
    Period. That is all."

    How can you ignore Lincoln and resort to hyperbole?
    By simply teaching Creationism in a public school, we become a Theocracy?

    By the way the theory of evolution is not a scientific rule, it's a theory. A good one. As I've said before, the best way to teach it is in context with what people used to believe.

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  54. G H.
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    Che --  then why can't both be taught?  Why can't a teacher say "some believe this" and "some believe that"?   And then, have students talk about it and write one page?  

    Seriously, what are you afraid of?   When I was in school we argued over the Tree in the Forest.  Is there sound or not sound?  Everybody still graduated!  And some went on to fame and fortune.  

    We also talked/discussed paranormal and ghosts -- neither than can be proved by empirical evidence and quantitative observation.  We still survived.

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  57. G H.
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    Che, we will agree to disagree.  Because you will never be able to prove we "evolved" from some primordial soup.  Never.  It is only theory.   Even if you are able to produce the EXACT conditions that existed at the estimated time this primordial soup existed, that only proves it CAN be done.  

    Evolution is a theory, one that I find intriguing.  But I also find creation intriguing.

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  58. Georgio N.
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    So GH, the earth is 10,000 years old?

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  59. Ben P.
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    The reason Che is right is because the theory of evolution is a product of science.  It was developed using the scientific method and is supported by extrinsic evidence whose existence we can all agree on, even if some people dispute it's meaning.  Evolution can therefore properly be taught in a SCIENCE class because it is derived from science.

    Intelligent design is NOT SCIENCE.  It is not the product of the scientific method, and is not supported by ANY extrinsic evidence.  Intelligent design PRESUPPOSES the existence of a supreme being, and then uses that belief (which is not supported by extrinsic evidence, but rather by faith) to formulate a theory totally divorced from evidence.  Intelligent design CANNOT be taught in school, because (1) it IS NOT SCIENCE, and (2) there is no such thing as "religion class" in public schools.  For all those tricky constitutional reasons O'Donnell is learning.

    I'm totally a Christian, but as an intelligent Christian, I understand why it is completely wrong to teach intelligent design in school.  Don't teach evolution at Bible Study, and don't teach religion during Science Class.

    Thanks!

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  60. Theo R.
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    Meanwhile, Joe Miller and his "Drop Zone" security team stepped all over a reporters' First Amendment rights in every aspect but religious last night.

    adn.com/2010/10/17/15062…

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  61. G H.
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    I don't know Geoffrey.   I was around then.  Ask your pol friend Jerry.  He was likely there!   He played the part of the snake.

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  62. G H.
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    Ow well -- I was NOT around then!   Typing faster than you can read!

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  65. Pickle R.
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    Denis Leary - Sharron Angle & Christine O'Donnell: apparently, in the Tea Party there is no separation of church and stupid. TRUTH

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  66. G H.
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    Ben -- well stated.  Better argument than anyone else provided!

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  68. Ben P.
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    By the way, just because I find it so annoying:

    (1) The fact that "some people believe one thing and other people believe something else" doesn't mean EITHER school of thought should be taught at public school.  Some people believe the earth is flat, some people believe the government controls your thoughts through the fillings in your teeth---in short, people believe a whole lot of crazy shit.  We teach things when there is wide-spread ACADEMIC consensus about them.  Like that the earth is round.

    (2) Don't get all caught up on the "Theory" part of "Theory of Evolution."  It's also called the "Theory of Gravity," and I don't see any of you people walking out of 10th floor windows because "it's just a theory."  It's also called the "Theory of Electromagnatism," and yet I don't see you sticking your fork in the wall socket just because "some believe believe" that magical demons live in your toaster and brown your bread with their fire breath.  Scientists are merely humble enough to acknowledge that they don't have "the answer," just a "theory," that, oh by the way, happens to be supported by literally tens of thousands of data points gathered over centuries by people with no agenda other than finding the truth.

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  69. G H.
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    Che, although I am not familiar enough with Hindu story.  Been awhile since I went over Hindu religion.  Hopi stories of creation are just as intriguing.   So were Sioux stories I read about.  

    And your point ???????    Was there a trap you wanted me to fall into?

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  71. Ben P.
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    Yeah, I probably blew all that good will from post #1 on my rantings and ravings in post #2, huh?

    Oh well.  You win some, you lose some.  As the son of a teacher, I get a little touchy about these things.

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  73. Christopher N.
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    You all of course realize never has there been more evidence to people supporting their candidate no matter what. If O'Donnell came out as a baby eater, I can assure you the Right wing Whackos would insist that it is simply a new health craze and why is it the libtards who are always spouting on about healthy eating are now taking issue with just another health craze.

      Zombies truly are among us, and they are the conservative fascists.

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  74. Georgio N.
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    Thanks Ben.  The truth is the answer.

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    "no hyperbole Laura, look up the word, I don't think it means what you think it means."

    It's textbook hyperbole to suggest that by teaching a topic in a classroom, our nation becomes the equivalent of a theocracy, and/or equates a nationalized religion.

    "you're assuming everyone is/was Christian, Laura"

    You're assuming Creationism, originally known as "The story of Creation" is an exclusively Christian concept.

    Prior to the theory of evolution, what was taught?  How do you teach science if you ban dissenting views, theories, hypothesis or even folklore. That promotes bad research and scholarship by limiting data.

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  79. James M.
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    Here's some vid of it.  
    gawker.com/5667753/chris…

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  82. Georgio N.
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    Wow Laura, you are an evangelist.  We have this thing called the constitution, you should try to understand it at some point in your lifetime.

    "Limiting data.."

    You mean the data in the bible.  Good one laura.  Like that data about parting the red sea...  Yeah we need to submit that data..

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  83. Theo R.
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    What a strange conversation.

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  84. G H.
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    Che, that works for me!    
    Your last post is a bit of a stretch.  Intelligent Design (not by that name) has been around much longer.  
    Where I will disagree with Ben's argument, is that if you don't teach something, how can reason and logic be expanded?  Ben assumes Creationism would have to be taught as a science.   Why must that be?   I would even argue that many fundamentalist Christians would abhor their children being taught Creationism once their children had it compared side by side with evolution and came home from school voicing their doubts.  Kind of an being careful what you wish for scenario.

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  85. John H.
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    I liked how she talked about the Constitution but needed a "reminder" on what the 14th Amendment was all about.

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  86. Laura J.
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    Nothing I said reflects Evangelism, just like little you have said reflects on the actual Constitution.

    Form a proper argument that doesn't rely on distorting mine, or pushing Atheism in as a form of "theocracy".

    The bible are some of the oldest texts academics have used to draw from not just historically, but also scientifically. Rejecting that science because you despise Christianity is just another form of flat earthing it on behalf of bunk rejectionist science.

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  87. Ken S.
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    Sill waiting for someone to show me where in the Constitution it calls for the separation of church and state ,,,,, The premise of this thread is fraudulent.

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    Prior to the theory of evolution, what was taught?  How do you teach science if you ban dissenting views, theories, hypothesis or even folklore. That promotes bad research and scholarship by limiting data.
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    I agree!

    To take this idea a step further: we should totally be teaching Aesop's fables in physics. I mean, who's to say whether a scorpion could even ride on a frog's back (insufficient surface area?), let alone sting it once it makes it to the other side?!

    And that fucking tortoise, who thinks he's SO fucking cool?! ARGH! Teach all topics as facts! Let the children, with fully developed minds, discern the truth from fable. Like santa.

    We need more santa in schools! Just because YOU don't believe in santa doesn't mean you can withhold his important works from my child!!! My child has RIGHTS!

    (Seriously, how do you expect children to learn any proper science if you also throw in things like making people out of ribs? It's a viable alternative?! REALLY?!)

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  89. Laura J.
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    Here's a real surface Wiki example of how biblical passages have been used to influence scientific thought.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sc…

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  90. Georgio N.
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    Wow, Ken, I want someone to show me where the Rocky Mountains are cause I can't see them...

    The Rocky Mountains are frauds...

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  91. Tsada K.
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    Can we please get back to the glory holes?

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  92. Laura J.
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    Geoffrey... you're comparing a document to a mountain? Not just a document, but one that often requires a specialized Judicial body just to interpret it.

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  94. Laura J.
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    Shannon - If people believed your examples for 4,000 years as a fact, and still believed those things, then you'd have some hum-dinger sarcasm on your hands. As I said, the Bible isn't entirely mythology, though you might wish it was.

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    As a scientist, I can explain in mind-numbing detail how you make sperm, how you make eggs, and how a sperm interacts with an egg to make a zygote. I can describe every stage of the process that comes later. I can describe the stages of birth, the courses of physical, emotional, moral, and social development of tiny humans as well...

    What can creationists do?

    "God did that. Recess!"

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  96. Theo R.
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    What's funny is while we're all laughing at O'Donnell and feel good for the voters in Delaware for appearing to appreciate wisdom, she's been dead in the water since her primary victory.

    Meanwhile, Rubio, Miller, Angle, Bachmann, Pence, DeMint and more all have very good chances and some of the policy positions which will be approved are outright batshit.

    The more I find out about Jim DeMint the more I feel that he's a new age Conquistador who uses our military as the tip of a conversion spear and his respect for separation of church and state is utterly non existent.

    npr.org/templates/story/…

    Then there's his views on gay and sexually active female teachers:

    cbsnews.com/8301-503544_…

    This Junior Senator from South Carolina is a very disturbing man with an enormous amount of power.

    Wielding the power and money from The Family on C Street, DeMint is proselytizing and Evangicalising those who he chooses as Tea Party candidates which Republicans can get behind.

    He's a king maker - or more accurately a priest maker.

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  98. Laura J.
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    Shannon, that's fine. That's why Evolution is not under threat by coexisting in a classroom, and we're not in danger of the Pope moving into the White House.

    Theo - You better argue with Geoffrey over who you two think is Leader...DeMint or Angle.

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  100. Theo R.
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    Leader?

    Don't be silly.

    As I said months and months ago, The Tea Party is an octopus.

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  101. Georgio N.
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    She thinks I said Sharron Ahgle was the leading Tea Party Candidate...  But what I really said was...

    Sharron Angle is the leading tea party candidate for senator...

    She has a good chance a being elected.  Unforunately, she is Palin on steroids.

    Laura, has trouble reading entire sentences

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  2. Hank B.
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    Hank, this has been covered before, some aethists being into intelligent design.  I understand, that some just can't fathom the notion, so no matter what I or others say, it will be denied.
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    feel free to provide a link to the thread where it was covered. i don't know how much more genuinely i can ask to hear your view though. and i would like to hear YOUR view not just cut/pastes about other peoples view on the subject.

    so for the final time... i'm curious to hear your view, in your own words.

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    i guess i'm having a hard time understanding of how one can believe in intelligent design without the idea of an all powerful deity? care to clue me in? i'm sorry for sounding like a broken record but without a link to where its been covered i haven't seen you cover the topic once, aside from your statement "Intelligent Design, which some aethists like myself believe"

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    Holistic treatments aren't illegal here.  You keep repeating that lie

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  9. Georgio N.
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    I don't know Denise, why did Robert Johnson make a deal with the devil...

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    This is what I found when I googled it:
    si.rael.org/rael_content…

    Is this what you mean?  Aliens?

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    What kind of treatments is she talking about, Joe?

    If it's a lie, can you link to a practitioner who will legally perform the procedure? I can't say I know what she's speaking of specifically, but you seem to think you do. I would imagine there are forms of treatment which aren't approved, wouldn't you?

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  12. Hank B.
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    I'm sorry, but it's been posted before. Your welcome to google aethists and intelligent design.
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    you keep saying that....where? please provide a link to where you have covered this before. again i'm interested in hearing YOUR view. i'm glad i have your permission to use google to search for it but thats not what i'm after.

    i ask you your view(very genuinely, i might add) on atheism/intelligent design and all i get is this tripe about evolution, global warming, aids, alternative treatment for cancer, and some line about it being covered before.

    you dance around my one question
    "how can someone believe in intelligent design without the idea of an all powerful deity?"

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    why can't Aethists believe in Intelligent Design?
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    because they are completely contradicting ideas

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    So, since it's Friday, let's summarize the week:

    1. Yvonne has Pippi's number.  In spades.
    2. The canine castrato still blindly clings to the notion that the First Amendment doesn't require the separation of church and state.  I guess a few dozen Supreme Court decisions, contemporaneous statements by the Founding Fathers, etc. just aren't enough to convince the willfully blind.
    3. Denise has made a modern-day Jews for Jesus argument by suggesting that Aethists, whose defining belief is that there is no God, can believein Intelligent Design, a theory whose defining characteristic is the intervention of God in human evolution.  This, to her, makes perfect sense.  No one is surprised.
    4. My thread got over 300 posts.  I'm the king of the wooooooooooooooooorld!

    Now: get a life and get off Yelp Talk.  At least until Monday.

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    Laura saying something is illegal because it's not approved as being under medical coverage is disingenuous  there's tons of holistic medical centers In the us

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    If it was illegal they wouldn't exist.

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    Joe "Pickles" G. says: "If it was illegal they wouldn't exist."

    Explain that one. Abortion was illegal for generations, and yet, it existed, didn't it?

    I don't know what Denise is speaking of, do you? If you don't, then why are you replying? There are probably acts that holistic centers can't do under the limitations of the law, and limitations of not having medical licenses. If licensed medical professionals will not do the same procedure, and it's not available, then what does that mean? It's not about medical coverage.

    So again, you should be asking for clarification instead.

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    Thanks Harry! pffssstt.

    breitbart.tv/reid-but-fo…

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    Oh god youre just splitting hairs. When you say something is illegal you should be clarifying what you are talking about

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    And I've asked her to clarify what she is specifically talking about and she can never give an answer

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    It's not splitting hairs. You're saying she's lying about something in one breath, and that you can't get specifics in the next.

    I painted a scenario where a procedure would be illegal for unlicensed medical professionals (like many holistic centers) wouldn't be able to provide controversial treatments, and if a licensed professional refuse to do the procedure, that means it's not a legal procedure.

    Medical tourism isn't a myth.

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    It's like getting Frank Chu to explain his 12 Galaxies sign

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    Medical tourism is often a result of trying to get a cheaper procedure

    In one breath Denise says holistic Medicine is illegal. What controversial treatments is she talking about? Why will she never answer that question.  Why do you feel the need to defend her lunacy?

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    How can you make the judgement that it's lunacy if you don't even know what she's talking about?

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    Laura what are your thoughts on this question:

    "how can someone believe in intelligent design without the idea of an all powerful deity?"

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    Checking around on the holistic medicine question...it looks like another issue is there are drugs some believe can cure cancer, like Vitamin B17/Laetrile/Amygdalin.... but it would be illegal to claim it was a cancer treatment medication.

    I don't know if that's relevant to what Denise is talking about.

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    "... Now here again, I feel people should have been options for cancer treatment-meds and holistics, but holitics have been made illegal in U.S., Europe, Austrailia etc. "

    Holistic treatments for cancer have not been per se made "illegal."  This phrase, as is, is not correct.  It's not up to Joe to fill in the blanks.  Denise is smart enough to back up her own assertions.  If she has certain procedures that have been banned by the FDA or some other body, she can amend her statement.    

    And what that has to do with how an atheist can support ID...if she was trying to make some analogy, it was lost on me.

    I think what Hank was looking for was the logic behind how Denise, as an atheist, can support ID.  Who or what is the "intelligen[ce]" that did the designing if not a god?

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    "how can someone believe in intelligent design without the idea of an all powerful deity?"

    Hank, I think people have very personal and spiritual views some of which are contradictory, selective, and hard to categorize.

    In other worse, I'm not sure being an aethiest precludes one from believing in a life force, a supernatural, an other world, life on mars....who knows. It actually doesn't interest me too much, but didn't Denise provide some links to examples?

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    yea i guess she just doesn't know what atheism or intelligent design is.

    these are her examples... lets just say they don't really paint the picture she was hoping for.

    But there are atheistic scientists who support the teaching of Intelligent Design principles and have even helped to convert one atheist.

    Congratulations to Dr. Monton for an intellectually honest and refreshingly objective analysis of the Intelligent Design (ID) argument! Though in the end he is not 'convinced' by the ID argument, some of the key arguments do make him 'doubt his atheism.' "

    Now atheists are joining the ranks. When Dr. Antony Flew, a renowned Professor of Philosophy announced in 2004 that he believed in the existence of Creator it was a like an earthquake rattling the atheist ranks. He was labelled senile and that he was merely hetching his bets. Youtube interviews show him accepting the principle of such a Being as eternal, omniscient, omnipotent but not personal.

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  32. Georgio N.
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    Laura J. says:

    "how can someone believe in intelligent design without the idea of an all powerful deity?"

    Hank, I think people have very personal and spiritual views some of which are contradictory, selective, and hard to categorize.

    In other worse, I'm not sure being an aethiest precludes one from believing in a life force, a supernatural, an other world, life on mars....who knows. It actually doesn't interest me too much, but didn't Denise provide some links to examples?
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    Sounds like someone is typing in slow motion and popping oxycotins.....

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    Fratan : "You may have covered it extensively, but you have never been able to prove...."

    What have you covered extensively?

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    "Sounds like someone is typing in slow motion and popping oxycotins....."

    Trippy. Try again tomorrow when you've sobered up?

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    In other worse, like the supernatural an other worlds, and life on mars, and there's a life force and no god and the milky way...

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  44. Georgio N.
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    In her defense, I started it.

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  45. Laura J.
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    "how does this support the yelp treaty of 2010?"

    You rejected it. He rejected it. If he wasn't admitting to being on ludes, what was he doing...insulting me?

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    "I think I covered in a few threads that were conveniently deleted that you're a liar."

    Do you also think that was the topic of said threads that got deleted?

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  49. Georgio N.
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    Yes I was insulting you.

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    Yvonne, are you signing on? Don't worry about Geoffrey.

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    "David "Humm Baby" P. says:

    It really doesn't matter whether you or anybody else "started it" Geoffrey.

    1.  She always blames someone else for starting it.

    2.  She does it anyway, she can't help herself.

    3.  If she really believed in the Pippi Pledge, she'd walk the talk no matter what anyone else did.

    But I admire you saying so."

    Does it worry you at all that this type of post appears to make up the majority of your posting history on Yelp talk?

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  60. Laura J.
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    "i am able to do what i do without getting yelp sanctioned"

    Is that something to brag about?

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  64. Laura J.
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    I think your conduct, and this series of posts obsessing over me shows the real reason why I toned down my rhetoric. It apparently drives you nuts. Now you spend entire nights on Yelp trying to bait me, and self congratulating yourself if I merely respond. Talk about me some more.

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  70. Laura J.
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    I'm reminded why certain members of Yelp talk have been intellectually crippled from having their opinions challenged to such a degree, sitting around and cyber bullying is all they've got left.

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  71. Jason W.
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    O'Donell and other Tea Party Candidates are an embarassment to the GOP and to all Americans.  How can you run for the Senate where it is your job to swear to uphold and defend the Consititution when you don't even know the Consittution.

    I guess she can hang out with Sarah Palin at her Alaska house and discuss how beautiful Russia looks from Sarah's house (foreign policy)............and discuss creationism (educational reform):)

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  78. Laura J.
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    "How can you run for the Senate where it is your job to swear to uphold and defend the Consititution when you don't even know the Consittution."

    Well, that's a good point...Coons did not know what was in the First Amendment.

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  82. Georgio N.
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    Laura J. says:

    Well, that's a good point...Coons did not know what was in the First Amendment.
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    Laura, is a rebel without a cause.....   A yelp rebel!!!   Wow.

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  86. Laura J.
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    that sentiment sounds more apt for the reasonings behind your peanut galleries dependency on ridicule.

    it's not natural to obsess over a single yelper like this. thanks but i don't need the attention, and i'm out of autographed 8 x 10's

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  89. Laura J.
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    yvonne, that sounds like you're trying once again to bait a flame war.

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  91. Laura J.
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    "insatiable need to make any thread all about Pippi."

    seems like it.

    wouldn't you rather share you opinions and discuss the topics? i know you're scared people will be mean to you and hurt your feelings, without respect for your opinions, but this schtick is powerless and spamlike. the cyber bullying is not going unnoticed.

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  99. Chrysanthemum A.
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    I missed out on Christine O'Donnell's witchcraft picnic.

    And what's her policy on self-pleasure?

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