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mryoyo000 asked:

Hi again! I had another question I wanted to ask you, about the waif’s origin story that she tells Arya in AFFC. I was wondering if you would mind explaining the significance/meaning of it? Sorry for such a broad question. It stands out to me, because it reminded me of some fairy tales especially Cinderella/Three little men in the wood. Thank you! Have a great day!

goodqueenaly answered:

Prefacing this discussion with the caveat that we don’t know for certain what is true about this story, since Arya and the waif had already established the precedent of the lying game and since the waif herself said both that there was “an untruth” in it and that she “lied about the lie”. For these purposes, however, I’m going to assume that it is more or less accurate (including Arya’s deduction that the House of Black and White took two-thirds of the family wealth, not all of it).

You’re certainly right that GRRM loves his fairytale tropes: it’s barely scratching the surface to say that he has drawn inspiration from stories like Beauty and the Beast (in the stories of both Jaime and Brienne and Sandor and Sansa), Snow White (in the story of Cersei and her fear of the younger, more beautiful queen), and Little Red Riding Hood (whose story beats get twisted in Sansa and Sandor’s meeting during the Battle of the Blackwater), among many others, for ASOIAF. Indeed, he uses Cinderella’s basic plot points for Falia Flowers as well - the daughter of the household treated as a serving-maid by her father’s wife and the woman’s daughters, only to triumph over them when she “marries” a king - but, as he does with many other tropes, plays with and subverts them, having Euron reveal his truly evil nature in his treatment of Falia afterward.

The waif’s story, in that sense, also borrows elements from the classic (at least, to a western audience, appropriate given GRRM’s own background as a member of this audience) telling of Cinderella. The waif’s father’s second wife fits the Wicked Stepmother trope all too well, and if the woman’s daughter isn’t strictly a wicked stepsister (she seems to be the child of the waif’s father as much as the waif herself is, and we get nothing of her character in the story), there is certainly a sense of prioritizing the daughter of this second marriage over the daughter of the first. Perhaps GRRM was also thinking of the Grimms’ more violent (second) telling of the tale (certainly compared to the Disney film), in which the wicked stepsisters are initially mutilated (on their mother’s advice, in order to fit their feet into the all-important slipper) and later blinded as punishment for their treatment of Cinderella; certainly, the woman’s literally poisonous attempted murder of the waif, and the father’s willingness to have the woman murdered in turn reflect a distinctly non-sanitized take on fairy tale tropes. Again, because nothing is one to one between ASOIAF and its sources of inspiration, not all of the story beats of Cinderella are found here: the waif does not live happily ever after as the bride of a prince but is almost poisoned to death before being forced to spend the rest of her life working for a cult of assassins, and she seems to have none of the sweet, kind, unfailingly good nature of the fairy tale heroine.

In universe, the story underlines just how different the waif is from Arya; indeed, they are almost polar opposites in their family upbringings. The waif was “born the only child of an ancient House, my noble father’s heir”, her sole sibling eventually being a stepsister and rival for her dynastic place; Arya may also have been born to “an ancient House”, but she grew up in a happy, relatively sizable family of five siblings, mixing the children of Ned and Catelyn with the (ostensible) bastard son Jon, and as the younger daughter had no worries about being prepped to inherit Winterfell. The waif speaks of never knowing her mother, who died when she was young; Arya, by contrast deeply loved and misses her mother, hates that she could not save Catelyn from the Red Wedding, and even seemingly named herself after her mother when prompted for a false identity in Braavos. The waif was subjected to the murderous ambition of her stepmother, who sought to drive the waif out of the family inheritance in favor of her own daughter, yet I tend to believe that the Stark kids, happy to be reunited with their loved ones, will resist factional attempts to pit them against each other for control of Winterfell (with the obvious reminder that there is, you know, an apocalypse coming). The father of the family has no problem seeking murderous revenge in turn against his second wife, though this could not be farther from the truth about the relationship between Ned and Carelyn; indeed, Arya so much believes in the love between her parents that she angrily defended it to Edric Dayne and included the same sort of parental love in her invented backstory as Cat of the Canals. Nor could we ever believe that Ned would sacrifice his daughter to a cult of assassins for the sake of revenge; rather, we saw Ned’s willingness to renounce his firm beliefs about the succession and condemn himself to life imprisonment (and, though he might not have known it at the moment, death for himself) so that his daughter might be kept safe.

All of these contrasts emphasize that the House of Black and White is not the place of Arya of House Stark. This is a place which not only profits from dissension, infighting, and murderous ambition and revenge, but indeed depends on these to form its “market”, so to speak - a far cry from the happy home of Winterfell and its Stark inhabitants. Where the waif treats the implosion of her family life as merely a new entry in the lying game, Arya has never stopped remembering, or missing, her life among her Stark family members. Arya cannot give it all up, as the waif did (or, rather, as the waif had it decided for her that she would); she belongs back with her family and back in Winterfell.

Of course, the waif’s story is full of ironies as well. In the end, the grand fortune of that “ancient House” the second wife might have hoped for her daughter to inherit all but disappears into the coffers of the Faceless Men; only a third is left, less even than what the second marriage’s daughter would have gotten had the inheritance been divided equally. The father is left back where he started, dynastically speaking - the single parent of a single daughter - yet poorer for it, arguably no better and perhaps worse off than he had been before (only limited by our lack of insight into his personal view on the matter). If the father’s goal was to murder his second wife in revenge for what she had done to his elder daughter, his actions simultaneously took that daughter’s life as well; the waif was forced to spend the rest of her days forsaking her entire birth identity and murdering others in the name of an assassination guild, legally and spiritually if not bodily dead. (Nor, of course, do we ever get any insight as to what the waif herself, the actual target of that attempted murder, thought of either the contracted murder of her stepmother or her own permanent confinement in the House of Black and White; in an act of revenge ostensibly taken in her name, the waif has no input and no agency.) Likewise, while the father had his second wife murdered, he seems to have done nothing to disinherit the child of his second marriage. This daughter was in turn left precisely where the waif was, her father’s only heir and perhaps too young to remember her dead mother; the stepmother’s ambitions posthumously won out, as her husband’s elder daughter was effectively killed off and her own daughter was set to inherit. All of these ironies add to the waif’s characterization, making her an outlet of narratively rich writing as opposed to simply an NPC Arya interacts with in her new environment.

On a practical level, too, the story provides more insight into elements of the Faceless Men’s business model. The Faceless Men aren’t out to completely beggar their clients - hence asking for two-thirds of the man’s wealth instead of all of it - but they do ask for a considerable sacrifice, at least within the means of the requestor. The father in this story was probably a wealthy man (the head of that “ancient House” in a society which has historically valued trade and commercialism over feudal land ownership and agriculture), so the price was high in monetary terms - but because the father was also a man in the midst of a succession dispute, the price included the previous guarantor of his dynasty, his elder daughter (with, again, the implication that it would be the child of his targeted wife who would succeed him). Perhaps this pricing model was intended to imbue this killing with the divine approval of the Many-Faced God: if this man were willing to have his wife killed knowing that by his actions he would disinherit his older daughter and impoverish himself to some extent, then truly this request must be the will of the Many-Faced God, and not simply human vengeance.

sciencevsromance asked: Wonderful post on the Faceless Men, but I never really understood how assassinations-for-hire fit with "Only the Many-Faced God" decides who dies. Can we believe the stories they tell Arya in training? Or do they view the high payments as signs as sacrifices that "win" the favor of the Many-Faced God? And how does the "save three lives, get three lives" policy fit into this belief system?

Thank you very much, and I think we can believe the Kindly Man’s stories, yes. Though I don’t think he’s telling the full truth, mind. And yes, the high payments seem to be the sacrifice required, though it’s not always (or just) money:

“I was born the only child of an ancient House, my noble father’s heir,” the waif replied. “My mother died when I was little, I have no memory of her. When I was six my father wed again. His new wife treated me kindly until she gave birth to a daughter of her own. Then it was her wish that I should die, so her own blood might inherit my father’s wealth. She should have sought the favor of the Many-Faced God, but she could not bear the sacrifice he would ask of her. Instead, she thought to poison me herself. It left me as you see me now, but I did not die. When the healers in the House of the Red Hands told my father what she had done, he came here and made sacrifice, offering up all his wealth and me. Him of Many Faces heard his prayer. I was brought to the temple to serve, and my father’s wife received the gift.”
Arya considered her warily. “Is that true?”
“There is truth in it.”
“And lies as well?”
“There is an untruth, and an exaggeration.”
She had been watching the waif’s face the whole time she told her story, but the other girl had shown her no signs. “The Many-Faced God took two-thirds of your father’s wealth, not all.”
“Just so. That was my exaggeration.”

–AFFC, Cat of the Canals (Arya III)

“I have told you of the founding of our order, of how the first of us answered the prayers of slaves who wished for death. The gift was given only to those who yearned for it, in the beginning… but one day, the first of us heard a slave praying not for his own death but for his master’s. So fervently did he desire this that he offered all he had, that his prayer might be answered. And it seemed to our first brother that this sacrifice would be pleasing to Him of Many Faces, so that night he granted the prayer. Then he went to the slave and said, ‘You offered all you had for this man’s death, but slaves have nothing but their lives. That is what the god desires of you. For the rest of your days on earth, you will serve him.’ And from that moment, we were two.”

–ADWD, The Blind Girl (Arya I)

The point is that the Faceless Men must wait for someone to pray for a death and make sacrifice, they can’t decide on their own who deserves the gift of the Many-Faced God. Although it looks like they may argue among themselves whether the prayer and sacrifice is enough:

Eleven servants of the Many-Faced God gathered that night beneath the temple, more than she had ever seen together at one time. […] The priests used the language of Braavos, though once for several minutes three spoke heatedly in High Valyrian.

–ADWD, The Ugly Little Girl (Arya II)

As for Jaqen’s “save three lives, get three deaths free”, well, that’s part of the mystery of Jaqen. Hopefully it’ll be explained eventually. Though it might be that the three lives saved were the sacrifice… and note Jaqen made no suggestions, only waited for Arya to tell him the names. (The prayer. Her prayer.)

Every night Arya would say their names. “Ser Gregor,” she’d whisper to her stone pillow. “Dunsen, Polliver, Chiswyck, Raff the Sweetling. The Tickler and the Hound. Ser Amory, Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, King Joffrey, Queen Cersei.” Back in Winterfell, Arya had prayed with her mother in the sept and with her father in the godswood, but there were no gods on the road to Harrenhal, and her names were the only prayer she cared to remember.

–ACOK, Arya VI

She had killed Chiswyck with a whisper, and she would kill two more before she was through. I’m the ghost in Harrenhal, she thought. And that night, there was one less name to hate.

–ACOK, Arya VII

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