Every so often I get into the conversation I actually really do forget about the fact we're recording and let it just meander. Today's episode with Serena is an example where I felt so fed by the conversation I didn't want it to end. I barely looked at my notes or the questions I prepared and just asked what I was curious about. We get intro the great volley covering everything from family, to therapy, to school, to social media. But the bulk of this conversation is devoted to a topic that Serena is known to be candid and open about on her social media: anxiety. She's so articulate when she talks about her ups and downs with anxiety and in this conversation we get in there deep about she experiences it, what helps, and she gives me big sisterly advice in my on anxiety and emotional spirals. It's one of my favorite episodes I've recorded because it's so vulnerable and you can really hear us bonding and laying the ground work for a friendship. Even though we talk about heavy things there's a lot of lightness to this conversation because Serena is one of the funniest people I know.