In this episode – the first in the 2024 series of Vital Psychedelic Conversations – David interviews Pierre Bouchard, LPC: Vital instructor and lead trainer for the Congregation for Sacred Practices; and Kara Tremain, ACC: recent Vital graduate-turned-instructor, somatic practitioner, and growth and development coach.  In this series, we pair up a Vital instructor with a current or previous student as a way of showcasing different (and aligned) perspectives on what they feel is most vital for the psychedelic space to be discussing, while also highlighting their experiences with Vital, our 12-month training program. The next cohort begins September 17 and we're accepting applications now.   As they are both are passionate about somatic work, they discuss:  The power of somatics in showing people how much our bodies and nervous systems matter, and how our thoughts are often not the main driver How ketamine or MDMA can help with somatic work How somatic sound can be, through music for journeys, sound bowls, or tuning forks: Can just the right frequency create magic? How somatic work is not solely about resolving trauma, but also about learning to conduct energy and use one's body as a tuning apparatus and more! For links, head to the show notes page.