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Can You Forgive Her? by Anthony Trollope
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ETA: Cecily read my review and didn't understand why I only gave it three stars. I think her question is absolutely legitimate; I don't explain that very well. I had trouble understanding one of the prime protagonists - Alice. Please see messages 5, 6, 7 and 8 below. I explain in more detail there. Also I think the author could have done more in describing Baden, Germany, and both Basel and Lucerne, Switzerland.

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I definitely enjoyed this book and I am utterly amazed. My track record with Victorian novels is poor; they always fail me. This is the first one that I really did enjoy. Why?

The characters are not caricatures; they are multi-dimensional. These are real people that you will recognize still today. This is a book of character studies. BUT, you don't read it for plot; if you read it for plot the story is way too simple. Who will marry whom?

What I really, really enjoyed were the lines. Funny, funny humorous lines. Satirical, humor that is not nasty. Humor that keeps you on your toes because if you don't pay attention you will miss the joke. Subtle humor. The whole point of this novel has to be its humor, at least that is how it was for me. It has a message. It is all about women and their place in society. It is also about conjugal relationships. I was amazed at how modern that message could be. It was written in serial format in 1864 and 1865. Don't think it is difficult to read because it was written so long ago; it is not in the least. It is not just a satire on English aristocracy and social norms; it is also about different kinds of people. There is the flamboyant, the cautious, the rascal, the steadfast and yet at the same time they are nuanced so you understand why they behave as they do. What I think is special is that characters, even those very different from myself, I came to understand. It felt like, for them to be true to themselves, they had to behave as they did.

So what did the book teach me? Well, I think I understand better, more intimately what it may have been like to live back then in a society so socially restrictive. You look at different people, with different personalities and of different social classes and you watch what they do and say. And you smile at every other sentence. So very much is said through humor. I liked that.

The audiobook narration by Timothy West was totally fantastic. He just expressed himself so perfectly, capturing the identity of each character. He knows when to pause to give the lines the proper effect. This is one of those times when the narrator is the icing on a delicious cake.

This is the first Victorian novel that I really did enjoy.


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After about 1/3:

What a huge surprise. I am totally loving this.

This book will bore you if you read it to find out what happens, if you read it for plot! If you read it to find out who will marry whom.

I am reading it for the hours spent with it. I am reading it for the lines. I am reading it for the care that is taken in drawing the characters. I am reading it for the dialog and for watching each step the characters make in their indecision. Time has to be taken to accurately describe each step along the way. It is the path that is important, more than where you end up.

The characters are complicated. They do one thing one day and the opposite the next; they are just like real people. Their ambivalence and indecision is what makes them genuine. This is a book for readers who enjoy character studies. Real, complicated people, not caricatures.

It is a book for those who enjoy subtle humor. Satire definitely, but still sweet.

I thought I knew how this would end; I no longer do.
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Reading Progress

January 13, 2016 – Shelved
January 13, 2016 – Shelved as: wishlist-f
January 13, 2016 – Shelved as: audible-us
January 13, 2016 – Shelved as: classics
January 13, 2016 – Shelved as: great-britain
January 13, 2016 – Shelved as: philo-psychol
January 13, 2016 – Shelved as: series
January 16, 2016 – Started Reading
January 16, 2016 – Shelved as: 2016-read
January 21, 2016 – Shelved as: humor
January 21, 2016 – Shelved as: relationships
January 21, 2016 – Shelved as: hf
January 21, 2016 – Shelved as: switzerland
January 21, 2016 – Shelved as: love
January 21, 2016 – Finished Reading
October 10, 2019 – Shelved as: victorian

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Elizabeth (Alaska) Very enjoyable review! I think it won't take much for you to become a true Trollope fan - you mentioned everything that makes him so dear to me.


Chrissie Thanks, Elizabeth. I wanted to explain why Trollope's writing is special to me. You helped me find him. Thank you.


message 3: by Donna (new)

Donna Great review, Chrissie! I haven't read anything by this author yet, but Maybe I'll give him a try from what you've said about this book.


Chrissie Donna, definitely do give him a try. I will soon read the next in the series. Nice you liked my review. Thank you. SOOO much better than Dickens and Austen and Hardy!


message 5: by Cecily (new)

Cecily Great review, and I've had similar feelings about the Trollopes I've read. However, your words come across as much more enthusiastic than your stars. That's not a criticism (you can write and rate as you like), but just an observation.


Chrissie I agree, that it sounds like I should have given it more stars, Cecily.

I guess I should have explained in my review why I didn't give four or five, but I did allude to it actually.

When I have now finished the book and it is all over, I wonder, "What did this give me?" Not terribly much, even if I did enjoy the time spent What else? This is tied up with Alice. Alice was the one character that I had most trouble understanding. Sure I understand you can change your mind. I also understand the some people are super cautious and calm. Her guilt I have difficulty understanding. I instinctively enjoyed Glencora as a person MUCH, much more. Maybe i wanted to understand Alice better. Or maybe it is my fault in not being able to understand a person who thinks as she does. How can she act as she does if she really loves Grey? It is inconceivable to me. I think it has to do with the society she lives in. I said that in my review too. This is why it is good people ask me questions. When you write a review you don't always know how far to explain. To discuss the book in depth you have to talk to one who has read it too.And I think the problem is I don't know if it is my fault that I cannot comprehend her or if it is the author's since he didn't make her character clear to me. OR is it simply, which I stated in my review, that it is hard for me to understand what it really was like living in such a restrictive world. I can't explain b/c I am confused myself.


message 7: by Cecily (new)

Cecily Gosh, thanks for such a detailed explanation. I hope you didn't feel pressured into it. I was just a little puzzled. I get what you're saying now, though.


message 8: by Chrissie (last edited Jan 22, 2016 12:59AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Chrissie Cecily, I thing your question was good. I think you had reason to pose it. I didn't say enough in the original review.

Also think about this - the problem I had with Alice kept me thinking very hard as I read the book. I like books that make me think.

I knew I had to give this three stars, because that is what best reflects my attitude toward the book. Understanding one's emotional response is what is difficult. Writing a review helps me understand myself.

Thank you, Cecily.


message 9: by Cecily (new)

Cecily I completely understand you now, and I've sometimes felt similarly. There are books I’ve admired, but not liked; books I’ve liked, despite huge faults, and others where I’ve initially given a lowish rating, only to change it when I realise the lasting impact. I guess we need a matrix of star ratings for each book!


message 10: by Chrissie (last edited Jan 22, 2016 01:31AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Chrissie Cecily, wonderful. I don't like eaving people confused. I have adjusted my review. See the ETA. Again thank you.

I was lazy, I guess I shouldn't have referred to the messages but rewritten the review. Now I am into the next book, so I just don't have the energy.

Maybe if I tell you that I plan on reading the next in the series, Phineas Finn, very soon, you will be convinced that I do like the book and that the ambivalence lies within me.


message 11: by Cecily (new)

Cecily I look forward to your Phineas updates, and hope it's a good read for you.


Chrissie Me too.


Ellie Thanks Chrissie. I really enjoyed your review: it made me want to reread this book. I liked Phineas Finn even more as I remember. I love Trollope. I used to say his writing made me feel saner. Such balance and a soothing rhythm.

I hope you enjoy Finn. I was also confused by why you gave this only 3 stars but your comments clarified so much.


Chrissie Ellie, I will read it soon. What stands out for me is the humor and that Trollope, even if he did not support the feminist movement of his time, portrays women with depth and understanding. He gives women wisdom and strength. That is not to say he captures men less well.

Thank you for telling me, Ellie.

Could you tell me why you liked Phineas Finn even more?


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