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Dune by Frank Herbert
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3.5/5 Stars

Dune oh Dune, seems like I need to raise my Shield Wall for this review.


Dune is one of the most important pieces of literature for the Sci-Fi genre. I’ve been raking my brain for hours on how to properly explain the importance of Dune in the sci-fi literature but you know what? I dune (hehehe) think it’s necessary for me to do so. If you truly wanna know why, you can search it on whatever search engine you use and you'll find hundreds of articles or reviews on why this book is that important; and they’ll do a much better job than me. I won’t even deny any of them because, in my opinion, this book was truly revolutionary. Dune didn’t become the number one highest selling Sci-fi novel of all time for no reason; like Brian Herbert said, it is to Sci-Fi, what the LOTR trilogy is to fantasy.

Theoretically, if I’m reviewing this by putting my head as someone from 1960’s or 1970’s, I know I would think of this book as my bible. 1965 was the year when Dune was published for the first time, 24 years before I was born. There are just too many groundbreaking ideas, world-building, that would become the inspirations for many Sci-fi in our time; I only realized this after reading this book. I mean, the gigantic Sandworm alone has inspired many video games to use it as a common monster or enemy.

Picture: Dune by Marc Simonetti



Desert planet, Stillsuits, space exploration, and Zen Buddhism, Dune was truly a groundbreaking novel, almost everything in this book somehow seems prophetic because it has predicted our current society, especially when it comes to faith, emotional control, empathy, and the importance of ecology and scarcity.

“The mind commands the body and it obeys. The mind orders itself and meets resistance.”


Part of what made this book was great for me was Herbert’s prose. I haven’t read enough classic to claim it was classical, but Herbert’s prose was definitely unique to me. It has a lot of freedom by writing it from a limited omniscient narrative; changing POV’s repeatedly in a single chapter without any warning. This is, honestly, one of my biggest pet peeves in my usual read, but Herbert made it work because all his characters were really well written, distinct in their personality, and the dialogues are really well dune (HEHEHE). Plus, there are so many motivational and extremely philosophical quotes that seem to make this book a combination of Sci-Fi & self-help book, such as:

“It is so shocking to find out how many people do not believe that they can learn, and how many more believe learning to be difficult.”


And of course, the most famous and one of the best quote I’ve ever read out of any book

“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


I can’t believe I have gone through life without knowing about this litany against fear. It’s applicable in any kind of hardship we faced in real life, and I know it will be one of my motto starting from now. If I’m judging this book solely from how significant this book was, I’ll give it maximum score in a heartbeat. However, I’m reviewing this based on one question and how I rated all the books I read: was it enjoyable?

The answer is yes and no, it was a mixed bag. The first part of this book was incredible, I couldn’t put down the book and everything was so interesting and compelling. Then comes the second part, where the pacing just became really draggy and somehow, boring. However, my hope was restored for a while during the third act, until the anti-climax happened. My expectation is obviously at fault here but hey, this book is the number one highest selling sci-fi book of all time and one of the most highly acclaimed book, I expected there to be a mind-blowing climax sequences to close the book in an epic way. But no, there wasn’t any. Not only it felt anti-climactic, Herbert’s prose in describing settings and actions didn’t age well or up to current standard. The main reason for this is that this is a book that relies heavily on character’s dialogues to do everything; world-building, plot, characterizations were done solely through dialogues. This leads to the great plot but weak action sequences and no vivid settings. Sure there was some explanation on the settings, but other than the planet—which is just a desert, just search Sahara or Planet Tatooine and voila—the interiors were given only brief description, which makes it hard to imagine; I had to look up some artworks to be able to immerse myself in the settings of the book.

Overall, Dune was truly a revolutionary book for its time that is filled with tons of imaginative and fantastic ideas. Although there were some parts that disappointed me, I still liked the book and I finally understand why there are so much discussion and praises around this book. I recommend this to every Sci-fi fans for its importance and also, it’s good to know where most fantastic Sci-Fi you’ve read or you’re reading now got its idea from. However, this is also where I’ll stop with the series.

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Quotes Petrik Liked

Frank Herbert
“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
Frank Herbert, Dune

Frank Herbert
“The mystery of life isn't a problem to solve, but a reality to experience.”
Frank Herbert, Dune

Frank Herbert
“When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movements become headlong - faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thoughts of obstacles and forget the precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it's too late.”
Frank Herbert, Dune

Frank Herbert
“There is no escape—we pay for the violence of our ancestors.”
Frank Herbert, Dune

Frank Herbert
“It is so shocking to find out how many people do not believe that they can learn, and how many more believe learning to be difficult.”
Frank Herbert, Dune

Frank Herbert
“The mind can go either direction under stress—toward positive or toward negative: on or off. Think of it as a spectrum whose extremes are unconsciousness at the negative end and hyperconsciousness at the positive end. The way the mind will lean under stress is strongly influenced by training.”
Frank Herbert, Dune

Frank Herbert
“The mind commands the body and it obeys. The mind orders itself and meets resistance.”
Frank Herbert, Dune


Reading Progress

October 22, 2017 – Shelved
November 7, 2017 – Started Reading
November 10, 2017 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by [deleted user] (new)

Oh wow, interested to read your eventual thoughts on this Petrik!😊


message 2: by Veronica (new)

Veronica I've wanted to read this one for years!


message 3: by Chris (new) - added it

Chris I've had it on my shelf for years as well!


Petrik Craig wrote: "Oh wow, interested to read your eventual thoughts on this Petrik!😊"

Haha thanks Craig, it was good, but not to the point of greatness imo xD


Petrik Veronica wrote: "I've wanted to read this one for years!"

Give it a try and see what the hype is all about. It's good but don't expect too much out of it :p


Petrik Chris wrote: "I've had it on my shelf for years as well!"

Give it a read as well Chris! :D


message 7: by Lee (new) - added it

Lee Haven't yet given this book a try, but it sounds like your thoughts on this book line up exactly with how I felt about LOTR. Obviously revolutionary and extremely important, but unfortunately not all that enjoyable haha. Great review, man!


Petrik Liam wrote: "Haven't yet given this book a try, but it sounds like your thoughts on this book line up exactly with how I felt about LOTR. Obviously revolutionary and extremely important, but unfortunately not a..."

Thank you, man! dude, I can't even get through the first book of LOTR. It was extremely boring because I've already watched the movie xD


message 9: by [deleted user] (new)

Very well....Dune....review Petrik haha. I get where you are coming from completley! I enjoyed the book but was shocked that i felt that the final face off felt very off, i mean i liked it sure but it just didn't "fit" with the preceding story for me. Shame that you will stop here, i loved the core series, even the much hated final two books that his son wrote but there were times when the series was quite hard to read / continue 😊


Celeste Wonderful review, love!! Sorry about the anticlimactic climax, but I'm glad there was a lot to appreciate it. Also, THOSE PUNS. 😂😂😂😂


message 11: by Lee (new) - added it

Lee Petrik wrote: "Liam wrote: "Haven't yet given this book a try, but it sounds like your thoughts on this book line up exactly with how I felt about LOTR. Obviously revolutionary and extremely important, but unfort..."

It took me literally ten years to read all of them haha. I had so much space between that earlier this year I just started from the beginning and worked my way through as quickly as possible. Kinda like ripping off a bandaid haha.


Richard Nell Honesty is always best. Great review and I think very fair. It's a bit like reviewing Robert E Howard, or Tolkien, or any of the innovators. So much that's incredible and maybe even unworthy to be judged by mere mortals like us, and certainly not with 'stars'. And then so much that's...very skippable...


Petrik Craig wrote: "Very well....Dune....review Petrik haha. I get where you are coming from completley! I enjoyed the book but was shocked that i felt that the final face off felt very off, i mean i liked it sure but..."

Hahahaha I'm proud of my own puns! Thanks, Craig! I have to stop here, the first book didn't really pique my interest for the entire series, and I'm going to begin my journey into the Malazan world really soon! :)


Petrik Celeste wrote: "Wonderful review, love!! Sorry about the anticlimactic climax, but I'm glad there was a lot to appreciate it. Also, THOSE PUNS. 😂😂😂😂"

Thanks, love! Yeah it was too bad! I'm so happy that you love my puns!!! I feel puntastic!


Petrik Liam wrote: "Petrik wrote: "Liam wrote: "Haven't yet given this book a try, but it sounds like your thoughts on this book line up exactly with how I felt about LOTR. Obviously revolutionary and extremely import..."

Shit dude.... 10 years.... xD but I totally understand. The problem with amazing movie or TV series adaptations (though they are rare) is that it made it harder to appreciate the books if you haven't read them!


Petrik Richard wrote: "Honesty is always best. Great review and I think very fair. It's a bit like reviewing Robert E Howard, or Tolkien, or any of the innovators. So much that's incredible and maybe even unworthy to be ..."

Exactly, thank you Richard!! couldn't agree more with everything you said here xD


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Petrik wrote: "Craig wrote: "Very well....Dune....review Petrik haha. I get where you are coming from completley! I enjoyed the book but was shocked that i felt that the final face off felt very off, i mean i lik..."

Ooooh you said the magic word there (Malazan), say no more haha😂


message 18: by Emily (new) - added it

Emily Great Review Petrik, this is one of my husband's favorites but I'll admit I have never read it. I watched the movie and the TV mini series though (the movie was *awful*) and I found the story intriguing at least. Maybe I'll give the book a try one of these days though. It certainly was revolutionary for the Sci-Fi genre just like Tolkien in Fantasy. And I was underwhelmed by LoTR because I too was expecting something *more*. I needed to place myself in the time it was written to truly appreciate I think.
Again, great review! :)


message 19: by Tosh (new) - rated it 5 stars

Tosh Sorry to hear it wasn't a good as you expected.


message 20: by Lema (new)

Lema Great review my friend! Are you reading all of these mediocre books so that your brain will explode with Oathbringer? :P
If you want a truely enjoyable "prophetic" sci fi classic you should definitely read Isaac Asimov's The End of Eternity, it's mind blowing (although a bit sexist, hello fifties :'D)


message 21: by Gavin (last edited Nov 10, 2017 03:30PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Gavin Great review, Petrik:) I totally agree with all your criticisms of Dune and your observations on where it stands against the modern greats of the sci-fi genre. I felt like Dune was a very average read and had no desire to move on to any of the sequels.

You were also spot on that this series is the sci-fi version of LotR. They might have been innovative and good when published but they are sadly lacking relevance to the modern reader. Same goes for Neuromancer. Father Time can be a brutal critic!


message 22: by [deleted user] (new)

And now if you feel especially masochistic you can continue with the series.


message 23: by TS (new) - rated it 4 stars

TS Chan Fantastic review, my friend!

Yup, I will still read this simply because of its legacy to the sci-fi genre.


Petrik Craig wrote: "Petrik wrote: "Craig wrote: "Very well....Dune....review Petrik haha. I get where you are coming from completley! I enjoyed the book but was shocked that i felt that the final face off felt very of..."

I knew you'll understand :)


Petrik Emily wrote: "Great Review Petrik, this is one of my husband's favorites but I'll admit I have never read it. I watched the movie and the TV mini series though (the movie was *awful*) and I found the story intri..."

Thanks Emily!! Yeah, I saw some clip of the movies, it was atrocious, can't even imagine myself sitting through it xD "I needed to place myself in the time it was written to truly appreciate I think." Exactly this, I think I'll enjoy if I'm able to completely do this when I read through it. Like you, I was underwhelmend by LOTR, especially after having watched the movies! I hope you'll enjoy the book and you can rave about it to your husband! :)


Petrik Tosh wrote: "Sorry to hear it wasn't a good as you expected."

Yeah.. it's too bad really, I guess my expectation was a bit too high for this one, Tosh. I tried to go into it with zero expectation, but the praises towards this book is too huge xD


Petrik Lema wrote: "Great review my friend! Are you reading all of these mediocre books so that your brain will explode with Oathbringer? :P
If you want a truely enjoyable "prophetic" sci fi classic you should definit..."


Thank you my friend! Hahahaha seriously not! I actually expected this one to be an amazing book for me, but nope, I'm going to begin my reread in preparation for Oathbringer today! Thanks for the recommendation too, I'll definitely look it up when I'm in the mood for some classic! :)


Petrik Gavin wrote: "Great review, Petrik:) I totally agree with all your criticisms of Dune and your observations on where it stands against the modern greats of the sci-fi genre. I felt like Dune was a very average r..."

Thank you, Gavin!! Glad to hear you agree with me! "They might have been innovative and good when published but they are sadly lacking relevance to the modern reader." Can't agree highly enough with this! :)


Petrik Evgeny wrote: "And now if you feel especially masochistic you can continue with the series."

arghhh I won't! after what happened with me and Codex Alera, I'll stop. xD


Petrik TS wrote: "Fantastic review, my friend!

Yup, I will still read this simply because of its legacy to the sci-fi genre."


Thank you, my friend! Can't wait to hear what you think about this one, I hope you'll enjoy it even more than me!


Rinaldo I share your feelings, Petrik, so Dune feel bad about not loving the book (do I sense Punderstorm? I do sense Punderstorm)

I had this discussion once with my friend, that in general, so-called old school scifi from 70's and before definitely offer mindblowing concepts and deep philosophy, but more often than not their prose don't age really well. Some of them read like hard science text book and characters can seem aloof, and these impact the enjoyment of reading of contemporary audience.

As for Dune, I think it can do so much better with proper climax(es) where the actions are actually happen onscreen. The ending line also feels lame for me.

That said, the worldbuilding is so superb and Spicy (heh), it's just a little bit behind Tolkien IMO. I feel it's different from Tatooine, so much harsher and more dangerous, red sands everywhere with ornithopter hovering above your head and Shai-hulud roaming the sands. And Fremen culture is so fascinating Robert Jordan 'borrowed' them heavily as the model for Aiel in Wheel of Time.

Also watch Jodorowsky's Dune if you still feel intrigued with the worldbuilding, it's such a great documentary. I also can't wait for Dennis Villeneuve's movie adaptation of Dune.


Becky I think expectations and perspective have a lot to do with how anyone feels about this book. Dune and Clarke's Hammer of God were my intro to SF in the mid 1990's and so shaped my expectations for the genre. However, it is definitely possible to read modern SF and see how far the genre has come since then. I don't honestly know how I would feel about it if I were reading it now for the first time.

That said, as a scientist and environmentalist, it's very hard to read Dune and its contemporary Silent Spring or the raging height of the Cold War that I grew up in and not see it as social commentary. In the words of Ray Bradbury: "Science fiction is also a great way to pretend you are writing about the future when in reality you are attacking the recent past and the present." I think modern SF is as reflective of our recent past and present as Dune was of its own time.


Petrik Rinaldo wrote: "I share your feelings, Petrik, so Dune feel bad about not loving the book (do I sense Punderstorm? I do sense Punderstorm)

I had this discussion once with my friend, that in general, so-called old..."


Haha, Punderstorm is a nice one! can't believe I didn't think of that one! :D Anyway, I completely agree with everything you said. The buildup towards the final section was really good, but then the battle just sort of ended immedaitely and I was like "huh? that's it?" :/

I haven't read Wheel of Time yet so I can't give my input on that one, but although Tatooine is definitely different, my head can't seem to deny that it took inspiration from this book. I just found out about the new movie adaptation yesterday, I heard the screenplay was completed too, can't wait to see how it goes! :)


message 34: by Petrik (last edited Nov 10, 2017 08:51PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Petrik Becky wrote: "I think expectations and perspective have a lot to do with how anyone feels about this book. Dune and Clarke's Hammer of God were my intro to SF in the mid 1990's and so shaped my expectations for ..."

"I don't honestly know how I would feel about it if I were reading it now for the first time." exactly Becky, I think if Dune was my introduction into Sci-fi, it would be something that I adored completely. But I guess we will never know, our feelings towards the book we read depends on our experiences after all.

I love your insight and opinion on this book, I must agree with what you said about the past and present correlation. Dune is after all, not "just" a sci-fi book! So many things here that's applicable to our society and current life :)


Karen’s Library Great review! I reread my original copy to death and finally had to break down and buy another.


Petrik Karen wrote: "Great review! I reread my original copy to death and finally had to break down and buy another."

Thanks Karen! I'm glad you enjoyed this book, and wow, that's really crazy what you did with it! xD


message 37: by Hannah (new)

Hannah Brilliant review, Petrik!


Petrik Hannah wrote: "Brilliant review, Petrik!"

Thank you, Hannah! :)


Antonio Pontes Brilliant review indeed. Kudos!


Petrik Antonio wrote: "Brilliant review indeed. Kudos!"

Thank you, Antonio. Cheers! :)


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Anton Completely missed Dune myself. :/ need to catch-up!


message 42: by Petrik (last edited Nov 11, 2017 04:54AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Petrik Anton wrote: "Completely missed Dune myself. :/ need to catch-up!"

Haha, hope you'll love it man! Took me a while but finally got around to this one! :D


Mary ~Ravager of Tomes~ Great review P! But why stop here? I've heard the first trilogy is definitely worth reading!


Mayim de Vries I think the rating might have been different had it been one of your first sci-fi novels. Your comparison with LOTR is very apt. When I read Dune I have still been an adolescent. I have written the "I must not fear" litany on my wall and recited it like a prayer. It is also one of the very rare re-reads for me. But I can see that for the more contemporary reader Dune might be wanting. Also, in spite of all my love I have never continued with the series.


Petrik Mary ~Ravager of Tomes~ wrote: "Great review P! But why stop here? I've heard the first trilogy is definitely worth reading!"

Thanks Mary! I completely lost interest after reading this one. And from what I heard, the first book is actually the best and everything seems to go down in quality from here. :/


Petrik Mayim wrote: "I think the rating might have been different had it been one of your first sci-fi novels. Your comparison with LOTR is very apt. When I read Dune I have still been an adolescent. I have written the..."

Precisely. During my read, I kept on thinking "oh man, I think I would've love this to death if I read this like 10 or 15 years ago..". The "I must not fear" litany is freaking badass and motivational. I kept on reciting it these days! xD My friends who have read Dune, all told me the continuation aren't that good which made me even lose interest :/


message 47: by Colleen (new)

Colleen Great discussion of the pros and cons, Petrik! This series has been recommended to me by a lot of people, and I did enjoy the movies, but I've never gotten around to reading them (probably has to do with the daunting size).

You're right about reading influential classics. On the one hand, it is really cool to see how many bits and pieces have been referenced, reused, and copied. But on the other, when you're reading those once-groundbreaking ideas after years of experiencing the watered down knockoffs, you loose that mind-blowing experience.

Sorry this didn't wow you more, but I'm glad you got an inspiring message out of it!


Petrik Colleen wrote: "Great discussion of the pros and cons, Petrik! This series has been recommended to me by a lot of people, and I did enjoy the movies, but I've never gotten around to reading them (probably has to d..."

Thank you Colleen! Although I was a bit disappointed with this book, I enjoyed it overall and I definitely didn't regret reading it. I couldn't agree more with what you said! Also, I think it's safe for you to read and treat this book as a standalone if you want, like I did!

Plus, the series was never truly "completed" because the author passed away before its completion, his son did continue it based from his note but I never heard anyone being satisfied with the conclusion that the son wrote. So yeah.. maybe just read Dune :D


message 49: by Colleen (new)

Colleen Petrik wrote: "Colleen wrote: "Great discussion of the pros and cons, Petrik! This series has been recommended to me by a lot of people, and I did enjoy the movies, but I've never gotten around to reading them (p..."
That sounds like a good idea. I'll pencil in for 2018 (into my gargantuan neverending to read list!). :-)


message 50: by Raz (new) - rated it 5 stars

Raz O'Xane You whippersnappers and your movies and action scenes!

:)
One reason I enjoy Herbert and Dune so much is precisely because he doesn't rely on silly action scenes, which IMO gives weight to his writing.
Then comes his cracked brain of a scene and his filling everything and describing action scenes and ruining the carefully built ellipses and gaps.
Curse you Brian!


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