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Fall; or, Dodge in Hell by Neal Stephenson
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it was ok
bookshelves: contemporary, fantasy, hipster, sci-fi, religion, smart-nerdy, weird

So to establish my bona fides right away, let me mention that I've read and loved all 16 novels that Neal Stephenson has now written in his life (yes, even his disavowed 1984 debut, the now out-of-print The Big U), and consider him one of my top-three all-time favorite writers currently alive and publishing new work. So what a profoundly heartbreaking thing, then, to finish his latest, the 900-page virtual-reality morality tale Fall: Or, Dodge in Hell, and have to be forced to admit to myself, "You know, that book was...well, it was kind of crappy, is what that book was."

During the first half of the manuscript, I became convinced that this was because Stephenson turned in a clunker of an actual storyline here; because, for the first time in his career, Stephenson takes on here the very contemporary real-world issue of the "Red Pill" revolution of the 21st century (which I'm defining here as the interconnected throughline that links together the Bush administration, the rise of Fox News, the Tea Party, Gamergate, Sad Puppies, 4chan, the Meninist movement, incels, the alt-right, and the dark ascendency of "God Emperor" Trump). Seemingly not a single person in the last twenty years that opposes this movement has been able to write critically about the subject without just losing their shit and quickly devolving into lazy, badly written doomsday scenarios about the nightmarish hell our world will become if these people were to ever gain unstoppable power; and Stephenson too succumbs to this hacky temptation, painting an America 30 years from now that has essentially broken down into a civil war between "The Stupids" and "The Smarts*," in which the Stupids have forcefully overtaken large swaths of the Midwest through a Christian version of the Taliban (a brand-new strain of Protestantism which rejects the entire New Testament because it depicts Jesus as a "beta cuck," about the most lazily on-the-nose reference to the alt-right one can even make), who then proceed to literally crucify people from burning crosses for such Old Testament sins as wearing clothes that mix together different strains of animal fibers.

[*Also, let me confess that I lost my patience quickly with Stephenson's attempts in this section to paint autistic people as superheroes, through his unending self-righteous declarations about how much better he and his little STEM buddies are than the rest of us mouth-breathers. Autistic people aren't fooled by fake news! Autistic people's feelings aren't hurt by blunt opinions! Autistic people don't feel obliged to engage in pointless small talk! Thank God we autistic people are around to save all you blathering morons from yourselves!]

Then in the meanwhile, we also follow the fate of one of the characters from Stephenson's 2011 novel Reamde, billionaire videogame developer Richard "Dodge" Forthrast, who unexpectedly dies one day at which point it's revealed that, earlier in his life, he got convinced by a startup buddy to have his body frozen, so that maybe one day in the future his brain can be brought back to life if science ever invents a way to do so. And through a convoluted series of events, science does in fact invent a way, and just two decades after his death at that, by essentially scanning a complete digital copy of the trillions of neural pathways in his brain, then letting those digital pathways virtually interact again within a town-sized complex of newly invented "quantum computers." But this being a game developer, the first thing Dodge's digital brain does to make sense of his situation is to start building out a World Of Warcraft-type fantasyland for him to place himself in, with Stephenson burning through literally hundreds of pages in describing in excruciating detail just what it must be like when a brain has its consciousness wiped, then starts filling it in again bit by bit from the retained memories of its subconscious. "What are these two fleshy appendages underneath my torso? What are these ten smaller appendages attached to the bottom of these two? What are these squiggly symbols I keep picturing when attempting to count these appendages? What is this locomotive motion I seem to be engaging in when placing one appendage in front of the other? What is this hard gravelly surface these appendages seem to be pushing against during its locomotion?" Jesus CHRIST, Stephenson, ENOUGH already, we fucking GET it, WE FUCKING GET IT ALREADY!!!!1!!

It was at this point, already 400 pages in, that I finally lost my patience for good, and initially decided to abandon the novel altogether; but just out of curiosity I ended up flipping through the rest of it and reading the increasingly smaller non-virtual-world parts, because I was simply too interested in knowing how the story ends up finishing out. And that's when I realized that it's not actually the storyline itself that's the problem here; when you look at the overall plot in quick big-picture form, it's actually quite interesting, an attempt by Stephenson to do no less than retell the religious story of God's creation of the universe, his war with Lucifer, the manipulation of Adam and Eve as pawns of this war, the path towards self-sentiency and human technological progress that was the fallout of this war's manipulation, and the final battle between good and evil that's foretold in the Book of Revelations, but all seen through the filter of the speculative question, "What if our old religious stories actually came about because an alien race figured out a way to digitize themselves, and the first couple dozen people who got imperfectly digitized became the angels and devils of our Bible, and everything we know and experience in our universe is actually just the result of a giant computer running on this alien planet, and the aliens are actually watching and analyzing us in minute detail but have no way of communicating with us about it?"

Seen in this light, then, the real problem of the novel becomes immediately clear; because while Stephenson has claimed in recent interviews that his intent with the virtual-world part of this manuscript was to "bury a fantasy novel within the middle of a science-fiction novel," what he actually did was write a slightly altered 500-page version of the King James Bible. And as anyone who was ever forced to go through this during Bible summer camp as a kid knows, reading big chunks of the King James Bible as if it were a narrative novel is the most tedious activity in the entirety of human existence, which sadly turns out to be the case here too with Stephenson's rewritten version of it. When examined in Wikipedia form, Fall actually has a lot of fascinating things to say, not least of which is Stephenson's ultimate conceit at the end, which is that maybe the human race's fate is to live on in body-free, pure-energy form, cruising the universe in a self-perpetuating and self-repairing Dyson sphere long after the fragile biological version of our species is dead and gone back on Planet Earth.

If Stephenson had explored these topics through a tight, action-packed 350 pages, it could've been one of the best books of his already excellent career, exploring many of the same issues in his 2008 Anathem but through the prism of our real contemporary society. So what a shame, then, that he instead turned in this profoundly overlong, page-fluffing, endlessly rambling and pretentiously purplish version, a book that will be hard for even his hardcore fans to finish, and that everyone else will give up on long before that point. It pains me to have to admit that, because up to now I had thought of Stephenson as an author who could do no wrong; but alas, it turns out that he's just as capable of clunkers as every other author, his first major miss here in a career that's otherwise been full of hits. As much as I hate to say it, my recommendation here is to skip Fall altogether, and wait a few more years for what will hopefully be a return to his normal brilliancy.
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June 15, 2019 – Shelved
June 15, 2019 – Shelved as: contemporary
June 15, 2019 – Shelved as: fantasy
June 15, 2019 – Shelved as: hipster
June 15, 2019 – Shelved as: sci-fi
June 15, 2019 – Shelved as: religion
June 15, 2019 – Shelved as: smart-nerdy
June 15, 2019 – Shelved as: weird
June 15, 2019 – Finished Reading

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Jason Pettus Ha ha! THEN I'VE DONE MY JOB!


Shan Wow. I just finished the book, haven’t figured out what I just read. Your review helps. I loved the first third to half but slowed way down at about the 50% mark on my Kindle. Thanks for helping me figure it out.


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Tom Gidden Weirdly, I agree wholeheartedly with this review, but gave the book 4 stars... my only complaints were really the excessive length and the lack of Meatspace in the second half. So, I’d like it shorter but with more content. Hngh.


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Tom Gidden (Oh, and that the bad guy was a two-dimensional villain. I mean, who DIDN’T bet he’d end up falling into the void? And he would’ve gotten away with it if it weren’t for those meddling Questers.)


Novel Currents Wonderfully annoyed review Captures exactly how I felt. The foray into “creationism” ended up being my exit cue.


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Kim Fantastic review, makes me wish I put more effort into mine.


Saurabh Bhattacharya Thanks for this review. I am so glad that I am not alone in feeling this is my favorite author’s weakest work to date. Hugely disappointed in Mr Stephenson and I do hope he comes up with something better soon!


Randy This review captured my sentiments exactly.


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Mike I agree with the overall take here but the first half was so good, such classic Stephenson, that overall I still recommend it. Similarly to Seveneves, but not as obviously, there's probably a point you can just stop reading and say "that was a pretty awesome book"


Chuck Some of Stephenson’s books are also among my all-time favorites. But this one just became tedious. I gave up about halfway through - had wasted enough time on it.


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Kim I’m really struggling and I feel conflicted because NS is one of my favorite authors but your review fully captures my sentiments (and challenges) so I know I’m not alone. I may have to give up on this one.


message 12: by L. (new) - rated it 3 stars

L. A. Can someone please share your favorites of his work? I read this and really struggled to finish but would be interested in reading one of his well-loved earlier titles. Recommendations? TY


Jannelle Kubinec Yes!!! Thanks for putting into words my feelings. I too have been a committed follower of NS. Just didn't find this book up to par. Good to know others feel the same.


Victor An entertaining review which captured my feelings exactly about the experience of reading Fall. I’m curious who are your other two all-time favorite writers? Thanks


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Elle G. I signed up just to like this review. New to sci-fi. I think I’m done.


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Brian In answer to best Neal Stephenson: "The Diamond Age", "Snow Crash", "Reamde" (last is not sci-fi). "Seveneves" is worth reading, for sci-fi fans, but has the problem of being too long. I haven't read "Fall", and might not.


Boothby171 Brin also has "Autistics as superheros" in "Existence."

With "Fall," I couldn't help but think (over and over and over again) that, "Oh...he's creating his own BIBLE here." I'm almost halfway through, and I'm ready to chuck it. I even skipped ahead, and I found that I just don't care about the story any more.


Sarah Best review I've read yet, and I read a bunch trying to inspire myself to finish this dreck. You helped me crystallize the awful ending, when it became super-clear that this was, in fact, warmed over KJV retreads. Ugh. I'm a Stephenson fan to the point that I have a special shelf dedicated to all my signed first editions. It's going to feel weird to shelve this next to Anathem and The System of the World. Thanks!


Laura Broder Agree agree agree.


Victoria Jason, you said it better than I could. I too am a big fan of Neal but I feel like he abandoned his editors here. It could have been half the length and twice the fun. I actually thought the bit halfway through, with El casting Adam and Eve out of the garden after Dodge appeared to them as a worm and gave them the knowledge they sought was kinda hilarious- that’s the only time it approached the rollicking fun of his other books. But after that it just started taking itself way too seriously. I finished this book last night. I actually read the last 400 pages of the book in one day. I kinda felt like I did when I finally binged-watched “Lost.” When the last two or three seasons were actually purge-watching. WIth this book, if it had been written by anyone other than the great Neal Stephenson, I would have given up in disgust just past the halfway mark. What would normally be careful and fascinating world building in another of his books, in Fall; or, Dodge in Hell is simply tedious in the extreme.


Brian Am I the only one who thought Moab and Ameristan should have been its own book? Also disappointing end to Enoch's story with no real resolution.


Jacqueline I just wish I’d believed your review before I wasted my time. I wanted to give Stephenson a chance after all his other work but he lost it here and you’ve said it best.


Jason Pettus L. wrote: "Can someone please share your favorites of his work? I read this and really struggled to finish but would be interested in reading one of his well-loved earlier titles. Recommendations? TY"

L., it depends on what kinds of stories you like best. Stephenson originally got famous from a series of novels that married high-tech to gonzo action, now known as "cyberpunk;" if that's your style, I'd recommend 1992's Snow Crash, 1995's The Diamond Age, or 2011's Reamde (which I consider a cyberpunk novel, only set in our current times).

He's also written a series of historical novels, starting with 1999's Cryptonomicon, which uses both World War Two and the Dot Com era to examine the history of cryptology; he then cleverly used that book's characters' ancestors in a trilogy of novels set in the 1600s (2003's Quicksilver, 2004's The Confusion, and the same year's The System of the World), to look at the beginnings of modern calculus, the formation of modern sophisticated economics such as the stock market, and the birth of globalism. You can also put his 2010 The Mongoliad in this category, set in the world of Ghengis Khan in the 1200s.

In the 2000s he wrote a pair of fascinating "what if" stories that combine alt-history and hard science, 2008's Anathem (which posits a world in which monks actually invented math, and worship science as a deity instead of an anthropomorphized God), and 2015's Seveneves (in which the Moon shatters, humanity launches 1,500 people before the Earth is destroyed, then we jump ahead five thousand years later to see what eventually happens to them). These are hard to easily summarize, but Anathem is among my very favorites of his, so they're worth checking out in my opinion.

And then he's also written some more mainstream and lighter tales through the years, often with co-authors, including his 1984 debut The Big U (an absurdist comedy about academic life), the conventional thrillers Zodiac, The Interface and The Cobweb, and the zany steampunk comedy The Rise and Fall of D.O.D.O. (in which a government agency in the Victorian Age uses magic to time travel and change historical events). Most consider these his minor books, but you might find them to be a good gateway into his bigger and intellectually heftier work.


Jessie This is so spot on. Thank you for capturing my frustrations so eloquently.


Jessie Elle wrote: "I signed up just to like this review. New to sci-fi. I think I’m done."

Please don't abandon science fiction on the basis of this book! There are much, much better representative works. What are you looking for? Why'd you try it out?


Steve Landey > maybe the human race's fate is to live on in body-free, pure-energy form, cruising the universe in a self-perpetuating and self-repairing Dyson sphere long after the fragile biological version of our species is dead and gone back on Planet Earth.

If you hadn't given that 3/5 Permutation City review, I'd say your next book might be Diaspora, which takes that as the starting point!


Matthew Excellent review, I agree with almost all of it. I liked the first 3rd, and then really had to push myself to read the rest of it. Reamde was a fantastic book, with lots of great detail and I couldn't put it down. I was hoping this would be along the same lines, but it was no where near it.


Andrew Forcier I was at page 675 wondering if I should finish this... three weeks ago. This has convinced me not to waste the effort. The labored, trying effort.


Jennie I completely agree with this. I'm 500 pages in and *nothing has happened* for what seems like the last 300 pages. Even the recent attack on a character in Meatspace that should have resonated left me cold: in fact, the beginning of that attack hit just when my lunch break ended and then I let the book sit untouched for three days before I finally remembered that something was happening. I think I'm gonna skim the rest - or maybe just give up.


Andrew Forcier Mike wrote: "I agree with the overall take here but the first half was so good, such classic Stephenson, that overall I still recommend it. Similarly to Seveneves, but not as obviously, there's probably a point..."

That's kind of funny, because I felt like the end of the first half of Seveneves was perfect, and the flash forward not as interesting or insightful. I could have stopped there and been way happier with it.


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Mark Well said. I just reached the "why am I still reading this?" stage at page 541.


RickyB I completely agree with your review. I just finished the book (and what I mean by finished is that I only made it to the last page by flipping and skimming the last 150 pages). I loved the first third of this book but then it became this fantasy novel complete with quests and talking birds and boulders and I was out. Like you I've long been a fan of Neal Stephenson, though I don't think I'd pick up another of his books now. I might go back and revisit a couple of his older books that I loved, but I won't be bothering with any of his newer work. This one broke me.


Jennie I accidentally left my copy on the bus when I was 500+ pages in. I called lost & found but it’s been over a week now so I’m pretty sure it’s gone. The sad thing is I don’t care At All about my missing, unfinished book: I just really wanted my TARDIS bookmark back.


James York Couldn’t agree more with this. The bit about reading the King James Bible is exactly how I found that section of the book. I lost interest FAST when it turned into a fantasy novel... The science fiction part was great, but the embedded fantasy novel was proper dull, for me at least...


Sharon Agree, agree. I couldn't finish it. After I had just finished Seveneves, I found FALL decidedly "less-than," its supposedly Miltonesque parallels notwithstanding. Disappointed.


ConciseAlan Thanks for saving me the hassle of writing my own review. Nice work.


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Pat Goldman Thanks. I’ve put the book down and picked it up again. I’ve returned it to the library and then checked it out again- but couldn’t pick it up again until close to the due date. I’m at page 528 and finally decided to read reviews to determine whether to continue reading. I will stop reading. But is there an ending? Is there any conclusion to this? Years ago a friend said Neal Stephenson was in need of an editor. That still seems to be the case.


message 38: by Defixx (new)

Defixx This is one of the best reviews I have read on goodreads.
Unfortunately it's for an equally disappointing book.


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Fai I felt very similar about seveneves. Unedited and too long, so maybe this is now a trend for Stephenson.


Jeffrey Schmieder Other people have told me Stephenson doesn't know how to finish his books, looks like he to this one to the next level.


Stephen Couldn't agree more! Spot on review.


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Hal Thanks for saving me another tedium. I loved his earlier books, but I couldn’t finish Anathem. Seveneves had brilliance but required skimming half of it. Neal please get an editor with a chainsaw.


Stephen Maguire Thank you. I too consider NS my favorite author. You convinced me to skip this book and reread one ofhis earlier books instead.


Sumit Sadly, I read your review too late. It was a disaster of a book.


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Ditto


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Robin Alexander I just gave up on the book so decided to come to goodreads see how it ends/read a review. Thank you for this.


Jean Karpinski This book was my biggest disappointment if 2019. I am also a Stephenson fan and this one let me down. Your review is excellent and mirrors my thoughts exactly. Thanks for making me feel better about how much I disliked this book. It could have been so much better.


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Jillian Brown It’s really bizarre that Stephenson would portray autistic people as geniuses saving neuronormative people from their ignorant selves, given that in the real world men on the autism spectrum make up huge swaths of “Red Pill” culture.


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Jess You nailed it


message 50: by Jess (new) - rated it 1 star

Jess It’s like he took a Theology Learning Annex class and got all jazzed, like, “hey guys, did you know about this shit? It’s crazy. Someone should write about this, but, like, with a TWIST!” I’m now waiting for the next book to be some variation on “holy shit, what if, wait for it, Germany actually won WWII?!?! 🤯🤯🤯”


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