Amber Lea's Reviews > Determined: A Science of Life without Free Will

Determined by Robert M. Sapolsky
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it was ok

This book failed to change my mind about anything. Which is disappointing. I was expecting a solid argument because I have a high opinion of Robert Sapolsky. But I spent the whole book shouting to myself, "We don't even seem to agree on what free will is!" You can't even build and argument if we can't agree on what we're talking about.

The main issue is this book's logic is far too extreme. Robert apparently thinks "free will" is "behavior that happens out of thin air." Which is something I feel no reasonable person would claim. I would hope the majority of us can understand that we're all pushed toward certain actions by our past, our genetics, and our environments. That doesn't mean there is no free will at all. You don't have to do something for no reason for it to be free will. You just need to have a choice between two actions. That's it. This entire argument feels like an obvious straw man. He's attacking ideas I've never heard anyone share, and even if there are people out there who do say these things, I think most of us can accept those arguments as bad.

And I agree with most of Robert's ideas around crime and punishment. Like I think we should absolutely take into account everything that lead someone to do what they did, and we should act based on what needs to happen to protect people from criminals. I'm also very anti punishment. I think we should try to prevent future crime in the most unintrusive way possible. The point should be to get the outcome we want, not to inflict suffering on criminals. I think these are relatively popular ideas and I don't disagree. That should have been the real focus of this book because that would have been a much better book, and there's plenty here to support that argument.

It's a shame this book is so poorly argued because there is an excellent point to be made here about how little free will we really have. But he mucks that up by arguing that we have NONE. And then he spends tons of time giving example after example after example of scientific principals that supposedly show we're not in control. I nearly DNFed this book because it was putting me in a coma. It's all stuff you've heard before if you're the type of person with any scientific curiosity.

The book kind of recovers from being mind numbing when it stops talking about chaos theory and quantum mechanics (interesting topics but he goes on for way too long) and moves on to talking about social science. But it still feels like a big mess of ideas that aren't really strung together coherently. I think he relies more on making the reader feel stupid for believing in free will than actually convincing you it doesn't exist. It's like reading a book that tries to convince you god is real. It was a bad idea from the start, and not surprisingly, it does a bad job.

I feel like this could have been reedited into a much better book. There is a good book here, it just needs to drop the whole "free will isn't real" thing, because it my opinion it never gets there, and focus on what drives us to make the choices we do.
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message 1: by Jack (new)

Jack Focus on what drives us to make the choices that we do". If there are things outside of our control that "drive us to make the choices we do", then where does free will fall into that equation?

I think it is generally agreed upon that in our society it is better to behave in a nonmaleficent way as opposed to a maleficent way. These morals guide our behavior, but they are not within our control. Our society and history dictates that this is "better behavior", and we follow suit. If our parents act in a loving way towards us, often we are driven to act in a loving way towards others. The opposite could be said for those who were abused as children and end up being abusive to others as a result. These are factors that are not within our control.

Essentially, if our actions are guided by forces that are not within our control, where is free will? If I am naturally inclined to behave in a helpful way towards my fellow citizens because it feels good to me, them, and is accepted by society, where is the free will in that?

Tldr; if forces beyond our control cause us to behave in certain ways, then how is it possible for us to have free will.


Korpivaara Toni @Amber: You seem to want to have a different approach of a book? The whole (?) purpose of the book is to show how far off from the (modern) neurobiology some compatibilists (and others) in philosophy seem to be. Given evidence that we know is happening below the engine hub. But there’s a gazillion things to discover still. Beliefs and belief systems are tough to shake… as Charlie Munger said, the human brain is like a fertilized human egg, nothing enters after the first sperm… how appropriately said.

@Jack: Agree. Furthermore in the society and how to behave in it… does Baboons or Chimps have free will? They share some 95% of our DNA, and also have to behave in their societies a certain way? Free will is a must for these behaviors?

Sapolsky concentrating in „one“ brain and it’s neurons, in principle. The environment is secondary to that analysis…


Korpivaara Toni A causeless cause is a term that Sapolsky uses… but the beef is in the biological context.


message 4: by Jun (new) - rated it 3 stars

Jun I agree there are different definitions of “free will” and, to people who have one thing in mind while reading about someone writing about another, it’d be irrelevant or uninteresting at least. I was recently reading Patricia Churchland’s Touching a Nerve, where she throws away the word “free will” and just talks about “self-control” instead. She gives a specific example of a person with Tourette Syndrome to demonstrate the possibility of having “some” or “sometimes” self-control instead of it being a case of “either-or.”She even characterized Robert Sapolsky’s (not specifically his, but the kind similar to his) definition of “free will” as the “contracausal” account of free will, as opposed to “the regular sense of free will ordinary people use.” Maybe that’d be more interesting to you.


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