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Discipline and Punish by Michel Foucault
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it was amazing

This book begins with a bang – in fact, a series of bangs. That is the point, you see. We need to be shocked about what is, after all, our relatively recent past. We too easily forget that there was a time when ‘people like us’ actually span back in history for nearly as far as the mind could imagine. Now, we struggle to believe that people who lived 20 or 30 years ago where quite like us – even when we ourselves were those people. Today we cast off selves and disown past selves like our endlessly cheap clothes – cheaper to buy than to wash, as someone pointed out recently – or like snakes and their skins, cicadas and their chrysalises. For, as Foucault points out here, the point of history isn’t for us to understand the past – that is dead and gone and has only the meaning we can give it from our vantage point – the point of history is to provide the narrative that helps us to understand the present.

I want to start with one of the quotes that go off with a bang at the start of this book – that shock us by how distant our world seems moved from that of a few hundred years ago:

“…in 1584 the assassin of William of Orange was abandoned to what seems like an infinity of vengeance. 'On the first day, he was taken to the square where he found a cauldron of boiling water, in which was submerged the arm with which he had committed the crime. The next day the arm was cut off, and, since it fell at his feet, he was constantly kicking it up and down the scaffold; on the third day, red-hot pincers were applied to his breasts and the front of his arm; on the fourth day, the pincers were applied similarly on the back of his arm and on his buttocks; and thus, consecutively, this man was tortured for eighteen days.' On the last day, he was put to the wheel and 'mailloté' [beaten with a wooden club]. After six hours, he was still asking for water, which was not given him. 'Finally the police magistrate was begged to put an end to him by strangling, so that his soul should not despair and be lost'.”

The spectacle of eighteen days of public torture seems extraordinary to us. Perhaps what is most shocking is the level of vengeance that is taken on the body of the guilty man. A transgression of the law – and the law at the time was represented in the body and in the will of the king – was equally revenged on the body of the transgressor.

The problem was that this expression of state power was far too often arbitrary and grossly overwrought. As in the example above, the vengeance of the state seems to know no bounds. However, and I guess ironically too, the state (king) was also able to pardon – that is, reserved the right to decide when and how the law might be applied – and this arbitrary law effectively undermined the state’s own moral authority.

We like to see our world as one on a kind of slow incline towards progress. And, let’s face it, it would be hard to read the description above and not think that from that particular south pole of inhumanity no matter which way we might have gone would have probably been ‘up’.

Our particular path up from that nadir was to decided that it was unreasonable to punish people’s bodies, that what we needed was to punish (or correct, rather) their souls. Now, this is only partly true, for as Guantánamo Bay and Abu Ghraib prove, we still like to get off on torture. All the same, there was a clear shift in policy away from torture of bodies towards using punishment as means of making an example of the criminal and also perhaps being able to reform them. The focus shifted to the souls of the wrong doers – but also on the social consequences of their crimes. It wasn’t any longer a matter of ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth’, instead you might get punished more for a crime that might hardly harm any one single person, but have large social consequences. Punishments were increasingly seen as ways of improving both the individual and society – and therefore punishments tended to need to be seen as being ‘just’ – rather than an arbitrary expression of the will of the ruler. That is, punishments could no longer be ‘excessive’ in the way they had been before. They had to ‘match’ the crime. The punishment had to make risking doing the crime simply not worth it. The punishment also had to encourage the criminal to live a good life, that is, the punishment ought to make the crime abhorrent to the criminal.

That is, punishment needed a pedagogical function – it needs to teach the criminal the ‘right way’ to live one’s life. I couldn’t help, throughout this book, thinking of ‘re-education camps’ and how we imagine changing a label from re-education to rehabilitation can allow us believe what we do is so much better than what those nasty communists did. To understand how to be good requires a particular kind of knowledge. Knowledge, then, is a direct consequence of power, of state power – and true knowledge is aligned with the exercise of power. Ok, that might sound like rubbish – but I think it is a remarkably interesting point. To punish someone now means two things, you have some idea of what is the right way to live a life and that if you inflict a certain punishment on a person that punishment will thereby make them a better person. Ever since Socrates the idea has been that if someone understands ‘the good’ then they must also act in accordance with that knowledge. Well, if people are acting in ways that are not in accordance with the laws (and the laws are, naturally enough, to those who make them, completely rational and totally in accordance with ‘the good’) then the role of punishment isn’t so much to get revenge on those who break the laws, but rather, to help them to better understand the good – that is, to help them to become rational agents in society. Punishment is about re-educating those who transgress society’s laws because only those without reason would ever break these laws. Knowledge and Law and therefore also Power are all instances of the same thing.

There is a wonderful bit in Stephen Fry’s Moab is My Washpot where he says that having been at an English Public School meant that he had much less difficulty adjusting to prison life than other people. That a boarding school was run in much the same way that a prison is run and so it all seemed quite normal to him. This is Foucault’s point exactly, I think.

I need to talk about how you change people’s souls now – and therefore I need to talk about Foucault’s most fascinating metaphor – that of Bentham’s Panopticon. The Panopticon was designed to be an ‘ideal prison’ – and it was literally ideal, never actually having been built. The point is that the ‘ideal’ often helps explain the actual world. It is probably easier if you just Google Panopticon – but the basic idea is to build a prison in which all of the cells are in the circumference of a circular building while at the centre of the circular prison there is a tower. Inside the tower is a guard (or citizens who have dropped by to see that the prisoners are reforming). The cells on the circumference of the circular building all have two windows – one facing into the centre of the building and the other on the opposite wall looking out. The second window looking out provides light into the cell – the window facing the tower means that the prisoner can be watched at any time of the day or night by the guard. The whole thing is designed so that the prisoner just doesn't know if or when the guard is watching – but the prisoner does know that there is no time when the guard will definitely not be watching. It is all a bit like God – constantly watching to constantly provide you with a conscience (or what is the next best thing to a conscience, as you act as if you are doing right for its own sake, even though you are doing right just in case you get caught doing wrong).

There was also the problem of having lots of criminals in one place that needed to be addressed so as to stop that one place becoming a university of criminality. So, prisoners were not allowed to talk to one another. And they were kept in isolation for long periods of time. All the better to allow the voice of the prisoner’s conscience to work on them and thereby to help teach them right from wrong.

The secret to right moral action, then, is more than just the relationship between knowledge and power – but also of proper surveillance. And surveillance now dominates our lives. And not just the cameras that are everywhere filming our every movement. But also in our obsession with tests in schools and performance reviews at work. To Foucault, the panopticon was not just a model for the ideal prison, but also for the ideal hospital, factory and school. He points out that this surveillance has meant turning our lives into texts. There was a time when only the heroes of our world had books written about them - today we are our high school report cards, our credit ratings, our performance review results, our medical history cards.

One of the things Foucault does that I find utterly fascinating is to look at the etymology of words and to show how earlier meanings hang around the word’s usage today like ghosts. In this book he points out that the word discipline has always had the dual meaning it has today – a discipline as an area of study and discipline as in being forced to behave correctly. This seems terribly important to me.

Like in Orwell’s 1984 – the terrifying vision here is that power always acts in ways that are essentially inhuman. I’m certainly not advocating going back to a time when killing a king might involve you in 18 days of unspeakable torture – but then, one has only to read The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism to know we use torture today in ways that would make O’Brien blush with pride. We are shocked when we learn of the surveillance used by the Stasi – and rightly so – but we actively sign up so that international corporations can monitor every single item we purchase so as to better sell to us because they might agree to giving us a free chocolate bar every year or so. But then, what is the point of freedom and privacy if you can’t trade it for some chocolate?

This is a very disturbing book – it is also a must read.
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Aaron That was fantastic, a must read for all.


Trevor I was just reading over part of this book yesterday to find where he talked about the differences (similarities) between discipline as punishment and discipline as a body of theory. It really is a fascinating book. Thanks Aaron.


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Arno Maetens I'm currently reading power/knowledge, the selected interviews with Foucault; and in discussing some of the issues he raises here as well I suppose, Foucault - as any good neo-marxist would do - frequently juxtaposes the bourgeoisie and proletariat as apparently rather conscious classes. I'm just wondering here whether Foucault (and other Marxists/anarchists for that matter) see the so-called bourgeoisie as consciously imposing their power on 'the people' by creating those seemingly well-thought of strategies for doing so? What do you think on this?


Trevor There is an interesting bit at the start of the Archaeology of Knowledge where Foucault talks about how he is lumped in with various groups depending on the ideological preferences of the lumper. I'm not sure I would consider him a neo-Marxist, in fact, I'm rather certain I wouldn't. Still, Marxism is clearly one of the feeding streams here - his interest in power and that it is relational and so therefore what Marx would have called dialectical are clearly important, although, in Foucault's case I suspect he owes much, much more to Hegel and Nietzsche than to Marx. He says as much himself, by the way.

I haven't read Power/Knowledge - though I have it and mean to eventually. Most 'leftish' sociology is pretty well obsessed with the question you have asked - how is power maintained and reproduced with such fidelity when it seems pretty obvious that for so many it actively works against their own interests for them to support the existing power relations, and yet they do so, and often with surprising ferocity. This is, in fact, one of the main differences between Foucault and neo-Marxists, I think. Neo-Marxists are likely to say that since the state apparatus is 'owned' by the capitalist class, and that the media is literally so, and that they use these in a kind of conspiracy to impose their view of the world on the general population - therefore the pressing issue of our time is raising class consciousness / overcoming false consciousness. That there are two classes of people: the liars and those lied to. And so on...

For Foucault this is less an issue, I think. I doubt he actually believes in such a conspiracy. I doubt he would believe such a conscious conspiracy would be necessary and that if it was necessary, then it wouldn't last. Rather, everyone needs to be convinced that the existing state of affairs is not only necessary, but natural and inevitable - and that needs to be as true of the capitalists as of the rest of society.

This is possibly better understood from what he gets from Marcel Mauss - the idea that social relations are more often than not embodied (part of the literal bodies of people) and so the power relations are told not only in the consciousnesses of people, but perhaps more importantly in how they use their bodies - so much so that you can convince people that the existing order is grossly unfair and yet they will still be unable to change things due to the active revulsion such a change would effect on them in what might otherwise be called their 'soul' - although, I really want to keep the focus on the physicality of the reaction here. Think of Alex in A Clockwork Orange vomiting at the sight of violence - despite wanting to enjoy watching a bashing or a rape.

Foucault says there are always resistances to these power/knowledges - but he also says there is effectively no escape from such power relationships (and certainly not through knowledge (knowing) which can only be understood in terms of such relations to power anyway). I find this aspect of Foucault incredibly depressing - Marx offers much more hope, if it is hope you are after.

So, after that long-winded answer - the short answer as to whether the bourgeoisie consciously imposes their power 'on the people' might be best left to Bourdieu from On The State: "Doxa is answering 'yes' to a question I have not asked... The dominant are generally silent, they do not have a philosophy, a discourse. They only begin to have one when they are rankled, when people say to them, 'Why are you like you are?' They are obliged then to establish an orthodoxy, as an explicitly conservative discourse, what had previously been maintained below the level of discourse in the mode of 'taken-for-granted'" page 184


Kelly can someone please lend me this book


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Rasha This is so fascinating! Your review was perfectly written, it made me think about my country and the chaos and disorder we live in, I wish our politicians or men of power would read such insightful books they would know how to organize a whole country but instead no... we only have illiterate and stupid ones who care only about money leaving the country in a poor and miserable state. I truly believe that art and books or words in general can change the future of a nation. I'm currently reading 1984 and I'll add this one to my tbr list, thanks for the epic review really.


Trevor Hi Rasha

1984 is quite appropriate with this book, I think. I've becoming increasingly concerned with what surveillance does to us as individuals and what that might mean. I recently read The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power, and that did nothing to make me feel all that confident we have learnt anything from 1984. The problem is that people assume 1984 can be avoided as long as governments aren't doing the watching - but Google and Facebook are as evil as an evil government - perhaps more so. Thanks again for reading the review and commenting - all the best


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— Magnificent review Trevor.


Trevor Thanks the valley - Foucault is much more interesting than he is sometimes made out to be. You might like Birth of the Clinic too.


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— Thanks, it'll be my next purchase of his.


Trevor If you are after a long one, but utterly mind-blowing, I can highly really recommend The Order of Things: An Archaeology of the Human Sciences - basically a history of Economics, Linguistics and Biology and the commonalities shared by these topics in different historical periods. Really, it's something else.


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Carol Phenomenal review. Thank you.


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nicole mag Absolutely excellent review! I need to read this soon, thank you!


Trevor Thank you both.


MarilynLovesNature Excellent review. Interests me immensely but I don't know if I have the courage to read it. I do know there is something vastly wrong with our prison system, which is big business.


Trevor This book is more a philosophical look at the history of the French prison system. It would probably take less courage to read than you might fear, but a reasonable fear all the same. I can’t think of a book that deals directly with your prison system.. But you are right, it’s big business where the lives of minorities are warehoused. Maybe the book you really need to avoid is one of Bauman’s, Liquid Surveillance, which updates some of the ideas in this one.


Adrian Fantastic review ! I am really considering readihg this one. My only concern is that i can't understand how such a great thinker was a grand supporter of Ayatollah Khomeini during the latter's exile period in France.


Trevor Foucault had some pretty silly ideas, I think. But also some remarkably interesting ones too. We should read people who say silly things too. Particularly if their interesting things are as interesting as his were.


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