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The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy
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it was ok
bookshelves: read-in-2009, tough-guys-and-gals

Ellroy, heard enough about him recently? Another GR craze. I’ve been putting off this review for two weeks now, and honestly, I still don’t want to write it. The thing is, while I only enjoyed this to an “OK” level, I really can understand the commotion surrounding the guy. He wrote this with great insight and intensity; it has a brilliantly complex storyline, and it is very well executed. The web of connections are aplenty, it has a ferocious acuteness to it, and there was a period of time during my reading when I was enthralled, flipping through the pages at a rapid-fire pace. For this short period of time I couldn’t put it down; it felt much like a thriller. But I couldn't keep my focus. Too many quick, concrete details. Not enough depth. Not for me.

And of course Ellroy the man, the persona, is fascinating. I wish I had his balls, his level of testosterone, his blunt but articulate, poignant way with words. His passion and intensity. (There’s that word again, but you can’t avoid it with him: Ellroy = intensity.)

And he is more than a genre writer-- one need only look to this novel’s boxing scene, or think about some of its overriding principles of chaos, corruption, and selfishness to see this. If you’re into crime, noir, detective, or mystery novels, you’re crazy not to try this. I couldn’t help but notice that most of my GR friends liked it, giving it four or five stars-- but most of them had it on a genre-related shelf. In other words, they were probably predisposed to liking it, probably having read and enjoyed other books that display similar themes. And yet, the average rating for this book from all of those on GR is 3.54: that’s pretty low compared to most books, and I think it says something about the chances of you liking this. And yet again!!!--- one need only read Montambo’s review of My Dark Places to see that you could still like Ellroy’s stuff without digging any of the genres he fits into (or transcends).

So I can’t say that you won’t like The Black Dahlia if you’re not into any of those genres, but I’d also say that you’re more likely to, if you are. And it bears repeating that his writing does go beyond any simple, narrow, genre-related category.

But, me? I’m done with Ellroy. For me he fits into a group of writers that I realize are great, but I just the same, happen to not enjoy. Updike, Morrison, some of McCarthy; there’s a number of them out there, and I’m adding Ellroy to the list.

Cheers.
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Reading Progress

September 28, 2009 – Shelved
Started Reading
October 15, 2009 – Shelved as: read-in-2009
October 15, 2009 – Finished Reading
March 25, 2010 – Shelved as: tough-guys-and-gals

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RandomAnthony This your first Ellroy, sir?


message 2: by Ben (new) - rated it 2 stars

Ben Sure is. Figured I'd have to give him a try given all the raves from you GR friends.


RandomAnthony He's a genius. I wonder what the other ravers think of this one...don't wait as long as me with the Hemingway to write your review, sir, I'm looking forward to it:)


message 4: by Matt (new)

Matt What do you think of his later work, RA? I'm reading 'American Tabloid' currently and find that stilted prose style to be sort of addicting.


RandomAnthony I love Ellroy, Tad, but I can't keep his books straight. They all run together after a while. I'm reading his new one now, and his stilted prose is in full effect.

I read an article yesterday about Ellroy's love of classicial music. Apparently he's a Beethoven fanatic.


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I wish I had a nickel for every time RA has typed 'sir' on this website.


Chris I wish I had a dime for every time someone wished they had a nickel. That would be a shitload of dimes.


message 8: by Ben (last edited Sep 28, 2009 12:17PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Ben His style doesn't seem all that unusual or stilted to me. A little, sure, but not in the extreme measure I had expected.* Maybe I'm just not picking up on it? Did those of you who read this, along with some of his other work, find the writing style in The Black Dahlia different from some of the others?

*This has been a pleasant surprise, by the way.



Chris Ben -- I've only read The Black Dahlia and My Dark Places and the writing style is completely different: relatively normal in the former, stilted and practically unreadable in the latter.


message 10: by Ben (last edited Sep 28, 2009 12:48PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Ben Thanks, Chris. Now I wonder if he changes it up depending on the book, or -- I see he wrote The Black Dahlia many years before My Dark Places -- if he happened to change his style sometime inbetween the two, keeping with the new style consistently since the change.


Chris In the thread for my review of My Dark Places, brian wrote:

"rumor goes that when ellroy handed in the manuscript for white jazz the publishing company told him it was way too big and he hadda cut much out. rather than cut out scenes and b-plots, ellroy decided to take out every unnecessary word, thus arriving at his trademark style. not sure if it's true, but it sounds cool."


message 12: by Megha (new)

Megha Chris wrote: "In the thread for my review of My Dark Places, brian wrote:

"rumor goes that when ellroy handed in the manuscript for white jazz the publishing company told him it was way too big and he hadda cut..."


I am reading American Tabloid currently. His style here does include incomplete sentences and missing words, but it is not unreadable, at least so far. In fact, I am really enjoying his writing.


message 13: by Ben (last edited Sep 28, 2009 01:27PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Ben Perfect, that answers my question. Thanks again, Chris. Recalling your review, I think my reaction to his newer style would be similar to yours. Obviously some people prefer it, though, so I guess the next Ellroy I try will be one with that trademark style.

I'll just give up after 50 pages if it wears on me. (I'm a quitter like that.)


Chris I'm actually thinking about reading that one soon, Megha, and I'm hoping I'll enjoy the writing more than My Dark Places. It's good to hear that you're enjoying it.


message 15: by Ben (new) - rated it 2 stars

Ben Thanks, Megha. That's good to know.


message 16: by Gary (new) - rated it 3 stars

Gary I was an ellroy virgin till i read BLACK DAHLIA. liked it.

i can't find AMERICAN TABLOID in bookstores. i have book #2,and will wait till book # 3 comes out in paperback. i want to read them in order. i guess i am going to have to bite the bullet and order it. however, i plan on looking when in kansas city this weekend!


message 17: by Gary (new) - rated it 3 stars

Gary I found it today in a Barnes and Noble at the Plaza in the old Macy's store building. Snatched it up, so now I have it!


message 18: by Gary (new) - rated it 3 stars

Gary made comments on sarah's review of MY DARK PLACES.


RandomAnthony Was the book not emo enough for you?

:)


message 20: by Ben (new) - rated it 2 stars

Ben HAHA!!! It was well-written and very clever, yet I didn't enjoy it. I'll try to explain.


RandomAnthony No, I hear you. This might have been my least favorite Ellroy, but I didn't want to say that early on and color your perceptions.


message 22: by Kim (new)

Kim That's a lot of use of italics, Ben...


message 23: by Ben (last edited Oct 27, 2009 07:57AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Ben Heh. Surely overdone. We'll just call it experimentation.


message 24: by Kim (new)

Kim Or... Snark. ;)


Colin Miller Ah, the problem of what people should like...

Agreed on the part about being predisposed to liking something. Nerds are the worst about that (though they'll--really, we'll--claim others are).


message 26: by Kimley (new) - added it

Kimley Ellroy and Roth - I'm so confused. Can't decide whether or not to read either of them.


message 27: by Ben (last edited Oct 27, 2009 10:38AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Ben I've read only one from each, and didn't like either. I'll try Roth again, but Ellroy I can tell is never gonna be my bag. You should probably try both at some point in time, though, given their reputations. Don't you think?


message 28: by [deleted user] (last edited Oct 27, 2009 12:23PM) (new)

Don't be so sure about Ellroy, Benji. This book didn't exactly give me a handy either -- I didn't even bother to finish it -- but I'm currently reading Ellroy's American Tabloid, and it's an ass-kicking, names-taking hardcore adrenaline rush. Very different (I think) from this book...


message 29: by Kimley (new) - added it

Kimley Yeah, Ben, I'm not actually undecided on whether or not to read these two writers. Obviously, anyone who can bring about such antagonistic responses is worth at least checking out. The main problem is trying to decide which work to start with.


message 30: by Ken (last edited Oct 27, 2009 05:35PM) (new)

Ken Crime writer? I've got far to go in that genre. Got stuck at the crossroads of Raymond Chandler and Dashiell Hammett. With intersections like that, who needs to drive on?

(P.S. Shallow comment of the day: When it comes to books, there are certain covers that I'd just hate to carry around. This looks like one of 'em.)


message 31: by Ben (new) - rated it 2 stars

Ben Don't let me dissuade you, Newengland. If you like those other guys, you could love Ellroy; plus, I know you like tough-guy, macho books, and there are tons of tough guys in this.

And you are absolutely correct about the cover. I carried this thing around the airport with me, and you should have seen the looks I got. Surely they were unread fools if they judged ME by the book's cover, but what can one do? Most people ARE unread fools. : )


message 32: by Bram (last edited Oct 28, 2009 12:30PM) (new)

Bram Kimley wrote: "Ellroy and Roth - I'm so confused. Can't decide whether or not to read either of them."

Me neither Kimley. I've been close to reading each of them a couple times now, but these mixed messages are tough.

I worry about where to start with a lot of authors and then usually just pick up something else. While I'm thinking about this, where should I start with Kafka?


message 33: by [deleted user] (last edited Oct 28, 2009 01:09PM) (new)

While I'm thinking about this, where should I start with Kafka?

No contest. "The Metamorphosis" and then The Trial. The Castle is kind of a pain in the ass. I've never read Amerika.


message 34: by Bram (new)

Bram Awesome, thanks. Got any info on translations? I think I was actually temporarily defeated in my Kafka quest by mixed messages on translations. I really obsess over translations and am convinced that they have an impact ranging from mild to medium.


message 35: by Kimley (new) - added it

Kimley As usual, David is right. The cockroach is the place to start with Kafka!


Eddie Watkins The Country Doctor!


message 37: by Kimley (new) - added it

Kimley The Trial however is probably the best example of the word "Kafkaesque".


Eddie Watkins I think Harold Bloom prefers this version:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32...

though I've never made a comparison myself.


message 39: by Bram (new)

Bram Thanks for the info, Eddie. I may keep an eye out for that version.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Kimley wrote: "The Trial however is probably the best example of the word "Kafkaesque"."

I was looking for a clip of this scene in The Squid and the Whale where the kid is trying to impress this girl and he refers to Kafka as being "very Kafkaesque." It's pretty funny. But I found this instead. I'd forgotten all about this show:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search...


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Kimley MFSO, this link goes to your search results page. Which clip did you mean to link to?

Pretty funny just how many "Kafkaesque" results you got!


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio That show would be pretty hilarious to watch again. That's some early 90s kitsch right there.


message 44: by Kimley (new) - added it

Kimley Ha ha - yes, teenage angst is indeed very Kafkaesque! The transforming boobs shot especially!





message 45: by Gary (new) - rated it 3 stars

Gary notice i said i liked it.not loved it. i am really looking forward to hitting AMERICAN TABLOID, because i have heard from others ,even not on the website on how great it is,and different then this book.


message 46: by Jane (new) - rated it 2 stars

Jane I was beginning to think that I was only GR s reader who didn't like the book. It started as a crime novel, a murder and detective, a who done it. But it twisted into a Great Gatsby/ 50 Shades/ and what else? Corruption from all angles. I forced myself to finish, hoping for a speck of justice. Alas, not to be.


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