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Under the Dome
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in the 2008 film max payne the gloomy hero is, of course, offered casual sex by this woman:
aware that payne is mourning the murder of his wife she says something to the effect that he can call out his wife's name as he fucks her. ok. now this utterly bland piece-of-shit movie is getting kinda interesting. there's some potential complexity here; some fun with eros/thanos.
of course payne tosses her out, all offended at the very notion. in movies like this you can't have your hero engaging in any kinda deviancy.
well, there's a bunch of that shit going on in under the dome, in which the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad (i mean reeeeaaaaal bad. like gang-rape bad, kill-your-own-son bad, mass-murderer bad). and it's a shame b/c there's much to love about this novel. but king's view of human beings and human behavior in this one is kinda narrow and uninteresting. strange from a guy with such a fertile imagination for the fantastic. what's most frustrating is that when you're dealing with common folk it's mot fun to throw them in extreme situations and watch them crack. we've seen it all over Apocalit*: lord of the flies, blindness, the road, etc… and this is the part i don't get: the characters that crack when the dome comes down ARE ALREADY ASSHOLES! what's fun about this shit is watching the slow burn of a decent or sane character as they descend into evil or lunacy. it's kinda obvious what's gonna happen when dick cheney is tossed into No Exit, ain't it? king's bad guys were bad before the dome and once the shit comes down they kill and gang-rape with no fore or afterthought. how the shit is this interesting? has king been too long in the horror genre that he's come to see murder and rape as something akin to jogging around the block or swatting a fly? what's great about murder in serious works of art (and make no mistake: this novel means to be a serious work of art) is not the murder itself but all which surrounds it.
i happen to believe that human existence is kaleidoscopically demented and deranged and far weirder than it appears on the surface. the most normal & upstanding of us are revealed to be sucking random cock in airport bathrooms, talking to snakes or burning bushes or interplanetary beneficiaries, etc… in short, i appreciate people like david lynch not in that he offers an alternative to the humdrum of daily existence but that he throws to the forefront what is actually happening behind closed doors; i reject Under the Dome's view of the world in that it lacks moral complexity, it lacks the true stink of human existence. blue velvet is heightened for sure, but it reveals what small town americana feels like. edward hopper to king's norman rockwell.
the good? gobs of it. what king might lack in his basic presentation of human behavior he almost makes up for in his evocation of a kind of horrible and ineffable beauty. amidst this mash-up of sci-fi & political allegory there are scenes of true beauty and a kind of gritty poetry as the town descends into a Hobbesian nightmare. one that sticks out: as pollutants and dust and pollen collect on the roof of the invisible dome, the townspeoples' view of the sky is skewed, the sky itself appears... different. sunsets seem as when a volcano explodes, a deep rich burning red. and the night sky? a meteor shower appears as streams of pink and red slashing the sky to bits. and minus the 'leatherhead' parts, the final 'fireball and survivor' sequence haunted the hell outta me. some seriously horrifying stuff.
aware that payne is mourning the murder of his wife she says something to the effect that he can call out his wife's name as he fucks her. ok. now this utterly bland piece-of-shit movie is getting kinda interesting. there's some potential complexity here; some fun with eros/thanos.
of course payne tosses her out, all offended at the very notion. in movies like this you can't have your hero engaging in any kinda deviancy.
well, there's a bunch of that shit going on in under the dome, in which the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad (i mean reeeeaaaaal bad. like gang-rape bad, kill-your-own-son bad, mass-murderer bad). and it's a shame b/c there's much to love about this novel. but king's view of human beings and human behavior in this one is kinda narrow and uninteresting. strange from a guy with such a fertile imagination for the fantastic. what's most frustrating is that when you're dealing with common folk it's mot fun to throw them in extreme situations and watch them crack. we've seen it all over Apocalit*: lord of the flies, blindness, the road, etc… and this is the part i don't get: the characters that crack when the dome comes down ARE ALREADY ASSHOLES! what's fun about this shit is watching the slow burn of a decent or sane character as they descend into evil or lunacy. it's kinda obvious what's gonna happen when dick cheney is tossed into No Exit, ain't it? king's bad guys were bad before the dome and once the shit comes down they kill and gang-rape with no fore or afterthought. how the shit is this interesting? has king been too long in the horror genre that he's come to see murder and rape as something akin to jogging around the block or swatting a fly? what's great about murder in serious works of art (and make no mistake: this novel means to be a serious work of art) is not the murder itself but all which surrounds it.
i happen to believe that human existence is kaleidoscopically demented and deranged and far weirder than it appears on the surface. the most normal & upstanding of us are revealed to be sucking random cock in airport bathrooms, talking to snakes or burning bushes or interplanetary beneficiaries, etc… in short, i appreciate people like david lynch not in that he offers an alternative to the humdrum of daily existence but that he throws to the forefront what is actually happening behind closed doors; i reject Under the Dome's view of the world in that it lacks moral complexity, it lacks the true stink of human existence. blue velvet is heightened for sure, but it reveals what small town americana feels like. edward hopper to king's norman rockwell.
the good? gobs of it. what king might lack in his basic presentation of human behavior he almost makes up for in his evocation of a kind of horrible and ineffable beauty. amidst this mash-up of sci-fi & political allegory there are scenes of true beauty and a kind of gritty poetry as the town descends into a Hobbesian nightmare. one that sticks out: as pollutants and dust and pollen collect on the roof of the invisible dome, the townspeoples' view of the sky is skewed, the sky itself appears... different. sunsets seem as when a volcano explodes, a deep rich burning red. and the night sky? a meteor shower appears as streams of pink and red slashing the sky to bits. and minus the 'leatherhead' parts, the final 'fireball and survivor' sequence haunted the hell outta me. some seriously horrifying stuff.
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So, how did you really feel about it, Brian?
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That review nails what I'd always loved about King and the various elements (especially the banter*) I'd grown very, very frustrated with these last few years.
I still say: check out Pet Sematary. I think it's, in my memory at least, the most interested in paring away the ticcy chatter and unwrapping some of the bleaker, more brutal bits inside grief.
I read that King loved Frank Darabont's adaptation of The Mist, not least because Darabont adds a nastier, vicious conclusion that King says he didn't really have the guts for. I think, push come to shove, he empathizes with his "good guys" and--however freely he lets his id loose on them--he has trouble with the id in them. Again, I think you nail it.
*sweet jesus the banter. I had to put Duma Key away, couldn't even take it after a while.
I still say: check out Pet Sematary. I think it's, in my memory at least, the most interested in paring away the ticcy chatter and unwrapping some of the bleaker, more brutal bits inside grief.
I read that King loved Frank Darabont's adaptation of The Mist, not least because Darabont adds a nastier, vicious conclusion that King says he didn't really have the guts for. I think, push come to shove, he empathizes with his "good guys" and--however freely he lets his id loose on them--he has trouble with the id in them. Again, I think you nail it.
*sweet jesus the banter. I had to put Duma Key away, couldn't even take it after a while.
This is a Top 5 gottiboy review.
Ugh... I was just discussing the other day how King writes sex scenes like a middle-school kid who's never seen an approximation of a naked female in his life. Take a cue from Steve Almond, Kingy.
Natalie wrote: "Ugh... I was just discussing the other day how King writes sex scenes like a middle-school kid who's never seen an approximation of a naked female in his life. Take a cue from Steve Almond, Kingy. "
[blink:] you know what? i don't think i've ever read a sex scene which improved the book, or needed to be there. weird. there's gotta be one. think, nick, think!
[blink:] you know what? i don't think i've ever read a sex scene which improved the book, or needed to be there. weird. there's gotta be one. think, nick, think!
I'm currently reading Updike's Rabbit books, Nick, and I would say these books wouldn't be the same if Updike had refrained from the sex scenes. I'm not saying that they are beautiful or anything, just necessary. Let's face it: sex, for the most part, is not a beautiful thing. The slurping and sucking sounds, the smells, the bodily fluids, the horrific facial expressions, the grunts, the hair everywhere, the incompetence, the insecurities, the selfishness...oh wait, maybe that's just my sex life.
Yeah, Stephen King just sticks in (heh) sex scenes that don't serve any real narrative purpose. I think he believes he needs to have them -- as though books are written by recipe, and every good book recipe includes a weird, clunky, unnatural, and gratuitous sex scene. (The same way that most mainstream films with two attractive leads need to have a scene of them bumpin' and grindin'.)
The (not really) odd thing about books, television, and films is that no one ever includes unnecessary scenes of people urinating or taking dumps (that I'm aware of). The counterargument might be that scenes of elimination are inherently less appealing than sex scenes. To which I'd respond: Not when Stephen King writes them.
The (not really) odd thing about books, television, and films is that no one ever includes unnecessary scenes of people urinating or taking dumps (that I'm aware of). The counterargument might be that scenes of elimination are inherently less appealing than sex scenes. To which I'd respond: Not when Stephen King writes them.
Chris wrote: "I'm currently reading Updike's Rabbit books, Nick, and I would say these books wouldn't be the same if Updike had refrained from the sex scenes. I'm not saying that they are beautiful or anything,..."
there we go. i shouldn't post so early?
there we go. i shouldn't post so early?
great great review. I've read a lot of king and been exasperated and exhilarated in equal measures over the years, but you are absolutely spot on about what doesn't work in his later fiction. Your point about only the assholes cracking under pressure is a good one; this doesn't happen in real life or in works of great literature. and we are all Kalidioscopes-that's good too. I think it was Picasso(an asshole who never cracked under pressure) who said we all have 'entire provinces within'. I just can't read stuff any more that doesn't show this interior idiosyncrasy, this melange of conflicting influences and drives.
One suggestion: if you do spend more time with King, read something from his early years. He was much more savage and succinct then.
One suggestion: if you do spend more time with King, read something from his early years. He was much more savage and succinct then.
mike and don: thanks, guys. and yes! i plan to pick up pet sematary and the stand sometime this month. i liked what don wrote about 'interior idiosyncrasy' and 'this melange'...
and chris is right, nick. updike's sex scenes serve a narrative purpose and work to understand (some of the seedier aspects of) human behavior, and this is what makes 'em interesting. it adds depth to said scenes as well to the overall piece... if one were able to marry the narrative gung-ho and wild imagination of a stephen king with the rigor and love of character of an (early) updike... the end result would be pretty phenomenal, huh?
and chris is right, nick. updike's sex scenes serve a narrative purpose and work to understand (some of the seedier aspects of) human behavior, and this is what makes 'em interesting. it adds depth to said scenes as well to the overall piece... if one were able to marry the narrative gung-ho and wild imagination of a stephen king with the rigor and love of character of an (early) updike... the end result would be pretty phenomenal, huh?
The slurping and sucking sounds, the smells, the bodily fluids, the horrific facial expressions, the grunts, the hair everywhere, the incompetence, the insecurities, the selfishness...
Well, I just took MY vow of celibacy.
;)
Well, I just took MY vow of celibacy.
;)
brian wrote: "He took her hand and put it on his jeans, where how much he wanted to was immediately evident."
I bet he put her hand on his jean-covered knee. That's where I can tell when he's wanting and evident. :o)
I bet he put her hand on his jean-covered knee. That's where I can tell when he's wanting and evident. :o)
Eh! wrote: "brian wrote: "He took her hand and put it on his jeans, where how much he wanted to was immediately evident."
I bet he put her hand on his jean-covered knee. That's where I can tell when he's wan..."
I am actually pleasantly surprised that King didn't feel the need to completely spell it out.
Like:
'He took her hand and put it on his jeans, where how much he wanted to was immediately evident from his six-and-a-half-inch phallus, engorged with blood and desirous of intercourse, which could be felt under the stone-washed* layer of denim, slightly pilled from having been washed too often.**'
* You just know they're (still) stone-washed. This is Stephen King, after all.
** The denim is pilled, not the phallus.
I bet he put her hand on his jean-covered knee. That's where I can tell when he's wan..."
I am actually pleasantly surprised that King didn't feel the need to completely spell it out.
Like:
'He took her hand and put it on his jeans, where how much he wanted to was immediately evident from his six-and-a-half-inch phallus, engorged with blood and desirous of intercourse, which could be felt under the stone-washed* layer of denim, slightly pilled from having been washed too often.**'
* You just know they're (still) stone-washed. This is Stephen King, after all.
** The denim is pilled, not the phallus.
Books Ring My Bell wrote: "I'm sorry, but she's hot! I have no idea who it is, but that is a perfect dupa!!!"
Olga Kurylenko
If you use Mozilla Firefox you can right click on the image, hit "View Image" and it'll take you to the original site that the image was taken from. This allowed me to discover her name and Google Image search it (with the content filters turned to Off, naturally). She's ridiculously attractive, the kind of attractive that's quasi-painful.
Olga Kurylenko
If you use Mozilla Firefox you can right click on the image, hit "View Image" and it'll take you to the original site that the image was taken from. This allowed me to discover her name and Google Image search it (with the content filters turned to Off, naturally). She's ridiculously attractive, the kind of attractive that's quasi-painful.
I think D. Kowalski is a great writer, might even be doing the best reviews on this site currently. He, however, can't write sex, even in parody. I think it might be because of his disdain of blues-based art. He writes porn like he grew up listening to Falco and Men Without Hats. Which he probably did. It might be an experience thing. I'm sure he'd probably write the best masturbation scene ever.
Admittedly I can't write Middle Earth elfin coitus with your panache, Donald.
A challenge! I think the proper response would be in the form of a parody or the best self-lovin' scene ever.
Nice review--I just read Cell, another recent King novel, and I had the same problems: dude seemed to have a really weirdly skewed perception of basic human behavior, and not skewed in a good way. More like a "how did this guy become a professional fiction writer, much less the most successful fiction writer in the goddamn country" kind of skewed. Unforgivably bland characters, unforgivably tin-eared dialogue. And yet there was stuff to like in the book, and it commanded my attention in a way that few novels I've read recently have done. I even liked the ambiguous ending, which apparently everyone hated. So I'm willing to believe that there's more to this guy than immediately meets the eye.
I did write some erotica when I went undercover in one of those Post-Menopausal Erotica Groups here on GR. (Gottiboy can confirm. He was there too.)
Lemme see if I can find it -- so I can stick it right up Donnie Boy's Sarlaac Pit.
Lemme see if I can find it -- so I can stick it right up Donnie Boy's Sarlaac Pit.
I do think it is funny that I call DK the best writer on good reads and he gets slightly miffed over me questioning his capacity to write porn. Praise is always quieter to our ears than criticism.
All right, that does it, bastard. I'm posting my erotica on your profile page. Lick it up, Powell. Lick. It. Up.
dk® wrote: "I did write some erotica when I went undercover in one of those Post-Menopausal Erotica Groups here on GR."
The line below and the one about her kissing your working class balls like long lost friends had to give you away.
My hard cock bobs out and waves in her face like a metronome.
The line below and the one about her kissing your working class balls like long lost friends had to give you away.
My hard cock bobs out and waves in her face like a metronome.
OH! Glory be! I forgot about that!
David is one of the most talented writers on this site, and the metronome cock only proves it!
David is one of the most talented writers on this site, and the metronome cock only proves it!
um, because I just found I posted this comment in the wrong place and because I feel it needs to be said, I'm re-posting it here:
Can people stop voting for this review? I don't like that skinny, beautiful woman looking over her shoulder and whispering "you're not me" over and over and over again (you guys hear that too, right?).
Can people stop voting for this review? I don't like that skinny, beautiful woman looking over her shoulder and whispering "you're not me" over and over and over again (you guys hear that too, right?).
What can I say? I was wrong! The Indiana Kid can write porn. Must be all that Roth he's been reading has rubbed off. And I mean rubbed off.
Bram -- DK posted a lengthy erotica passage on Donald's profile and then deleted it within a few minutes. I only copied-and-pasted the metronome sentence.
Donald, it's a shame that GR no longer tracks how many views a profile gets because I'm guessing David's tease of erotica on your profile made you a very popular boy today.
Okay. I posted it here in 'my writing.' (This was my only attempt to work blue.)
http://www.goodreads.com/story/show/5...
http://www.goodreads.com/story/show/5...
I agree, Kimley. I thought David posting erotica on my profile would bring me fame & glory but alas he pulled it too quickly.
I am oozing a thin trickle of pre-cum that vines down the shaft, giving way for veins and other engorged topographies.
This is fucking great.
This is fucking great.
M.b.=/=y.b.
Mr.P.p.
Nxt /\ mi...al...
g.redD.b'ez
Mr.P.p.
Nxt /\ mi...al...
g.redD.b'ez
Dude, I almost got it but not quite. I think it's funny + offensive?
Your bag is bigger than my bag?
Your bag is bigger than my bag?
well, I do use the phrase `What's your bag?' meaning something like 'What's going on' or 'What do you mean by that' but there is nothing inside about it. I inflict the stupid phrase on many people.
Wittgenstein porn? Eh?
Flesh, is that your bag?
Wittgenstein porn? Eh?
Flesh, is that your bag?
Brian,
I remember liking some short stories from King. One in particular was about boys in a long distance race where if they stop to sleep or anything they are eliminated for good.
I remember liking some short stories from King. One in particular was about boys in a long distance race where if they stop to sleep or anything they are eliminated for good.
brian, go with 'The Stand' first. The expanded version. You're going for what you're looking for with early King. I second Mr. Reynolds; King's far better at that stage.
I didn't really direct you too wrong on SOS, did I? trust me, already.
I didn't really direct you too wrong on SOS, did I? trust me, already.