February 15, 2022 • 32 mins
Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
So one of my most popular episodes of Just Be
was when I talked about my divorce, and not in
a salacious aspect, not for gossip's sake, to explain what
a person can go through, the the amount of strife
and stress and emotional duress that someone can go through
(00:36):
during a divorce. I happen to have what I call
Hall of Fame divorce that lasted about nine and a
half years on a two year marriage. But I do
consider myself an expert in this area. Why because I
have probably been to court over twenty times. I am
a student of everything that I do, so I listen,
(00:58):
I learn, I research, I'm organized. I have been through
every aspect of a divorce as it pertains to different
legal nuances, stalking, harassment, being followed, organizing notebooks, custody issues,
changing custody issues, laws, just so many different things that
(01:21):
I've been through. So I want to help other people
by giving them advice and sharing what I've been through,
not my own personal gossip, but tools for them so
they don't go through what I went through financially, emotionally, spiritually, physically.
It almost killed me too. So it's my job to
help people to not go through what I went through,
(01:43):
or to really mitigate that, to minimize that. And basically
we laugh sometimes here and we talk about celebrities and
uh gossip. It's not really what the show is about
at all, but sometimes I'll dabble and talk about different
public figures. But I really don't like to talk about
public figures unless there's some lesson, there's something we can
(02:04):
learn about ourselves. So while I've joked about Julia Fox
and Kanye and her being in sort of a cheer
relationship or one day he just decided he was going
to make her the girl in Hollywood, and I've talked
about the success of the Kardashians and Kale being a
Kale Dashian and all the stupid things I'd say, I
(02:24):
want to talk about popular culture as it pertains to divorce.
So I watch people that are very successful and very
famous get into relationships, gush, flaunt, express post filter show,
elaborate gifts and vacations and this person loves me so
(02:45):
much and it's my soul mate, and just going on
and on, and then if they break up, which sadly
and not to be the doomsayer or more than uh
of divorce, more than sixty percent of marriages end up
in divorce, then please, can you respect our privacy during
this very difficult time? And I always think, well, why
don't you want us to respect your privacy during this
(03:08):
very easy time, Because you can't have it both ways.
You can't invite us into your life and the gifts
and the flowers and the romance and the story and
all of that if you don't expect us to be
invested in the demise. We heard the whole story, we
now want to know how it unfolded. So I've been
thinking about Kim and Kanye as their divorce plays out
(03:29):
in the public. So Kim and Kanye were married for
several years. It seems that they were friends for a
really long time, that he really adored her, uh, that
they got together and he was extremely generous, elaborate gifts
and stocks and Cartier and air mes and diamonds and
(03:49):
all these things. That we saw this amazing public proposal
in uh a baseball stadium near San Francisco, I believe,
and her gorgeous wedding and her dress and uh John
Legends song, uh all of me and you know, it
was amazing. And then he invited her into his fashion
(04:13):
style and world and to the met Ball, and she
became this fashion icon in her own right. But they
both elevated each other. It seemed like him as a
really respected artist. They the sum was greater than their parts,
and they both really thrived, and they both became billionaires
in the process. And they have this beautiful family and
(04:34):
this great life, and things then unraveled as relationships do.
It happened to me, it happens to everyone. We were
on that ride. So now the public is involved in
their divorce. But Kanye obviously in particular, is really really
shedding a light on his divorce. And he's talking to
(04:55):
the court of public opinion instead of talking to the
court of the custody of your children. So now is
where I'm getting into what really matters if you ever
are dealing with a custody situation or a divorce. So
here's the deal. Judges want what's best for the children.
All they care about is what's best for the children. Now,
(05:16):
Kanye has been talking about how he doesn't want his
daughter who's eight on TikTok, and he didn't approve this.
He's asking all of us to rally around him and
vying for our attention. Um, that's gonna be a really
hard argument for him because he participated in a reality
show and a lifestyle that showed their children photos, group
Halloween costumes, all of this stuff. I've experienced this myself.
(05:39):
You can't endorse it when you're a part of it
and then denounce it when you've walked away from it.
You can't have it both ways. So had he been
a person that was very protective over the kids and
their families privacy the whole way and discussed that with
his wife while married, then that might hold water. That's
also like something that you talk about in the beginning.
You're Jewish, I'm Catholic. Can we get through that? You
(06:02):
want to have kids? I don't. Can we get through that?
Whatever the situation is, these are issues that are discussed
in the beginning. But from my perspective, the Kardashians is
a very very public show and empire. Social media is
a bigger empire than the Kardashians show, and the kids
have shown up on social media everywhere and been, you know,
out with the paparazzi and celebrated. So Kanye can't now
(06:24):
come and rally for people to think that his child
should be off social media when she was literally born
into that world. Whether you like that or not, it's
not our business. It's just a fact. You Also, he
could say, and probably will, that when they were younger,
they didn't have a choice and they didn't know what
they were doing, and they would just babies. And now
it's different. But still I stand by the fact that
(06:46):
the entire family and all the siblings and all the
kids are part of this machine. So he can't say that.
But more importantly, he's coming to the public and trying
to get the court of public opinion on his side.
Nothing pisces a judge off more than side shows, circuses,
(07:07):
spectacles there there for the child. So while the judge
personally may not agree with a child being born into
and living this in you know, very public lifestyle, they
won't be able to speak to whether that's the best
for a child. They would have a forensic psychologist analyze
whether that's the best for a child. Now that this
may never get there, because I don't I think they'll
(07:28):
probably settle at some point, but a judge won't decide.
He would have a he or she would have an opinion,
but they won't just decide whether that's what's best. But
what they do know for sure that's not best is
that fighting over a child in a custody battle is
like watching your child drown at the end of a dock,
(07:50):
calling you to save them, and you're just standing there
watching them. So that's what's really bad for a child
them watching this go back and forth, and again, remember
ivan experience this. I know what this is all like.
The court isn't necessary evil. Divorce lawyers are necessary evil.
You can't just go rogue and do things on your
own way. So you can't Kanye your way out of
(08:11):
a divorce and go public unless it's a tactic to
shake down the other side for public reasons, and that
they'll just sort of fold because you're publicly making this
a court issue. But if this ends up going to court,
or if there's a judge involved in anything, they're not
going to like side shows. They're not going to like
a child being utilized as a tool for the media.
(08:33):
That's something that I can absolutely be certain of, so
I would suggest And also when I say side shows,
I mean people, when you're getting divorced, you think every
dumb thing matters. Every Oh my god, I can't believe
you just said that to me. Someone just said something
nasty to you or something you don't understand. Judges see
parents that put lit cigarettes out on their children. Okay,
(08:56):
they see serious abuse. They say see very major issues.
They don't really make massive moves unless major stuff is happening.
So when you're going through a divorce and some bad, mean,
nasty comment comes through, or something is bad, or someone
did something appalling at your kid's recital, it may be bad.
They may be an asshole, whether man or woman, but
(09:17):
being an asshole is not a reason to start sending
emails and telling lawyers. It's just a way for you
to waste your money. And also, people always think they're
smarter than the process. They think, Okay, well, I know
we're talking about this one issue and we're talking about
splitting custody, or we're talking about this other thing. But
let me just let the judge know that this this
partner of mine or ex partner mine did this other
(09:40):
thing just to prove what a bad person they are.
Judges don't give a shit. They're focused on the main
issue at hand. We're talking about this one issue. Is
it sixty custody? Is it fifty fifty is a visitation?
Is it? Uh? Someone is going to live in one
state or another state. They're focused on the one issue.
You start bringing inside shit and they it derails the process.
(10:02):
It's so tempting. And those of you who have gone
through a divorce, or are going through a divorce, or
are thinking about going through a divorce know what I'm
talking about. Because you are tempted by the side show.
Avoid the side show. There's just no upside to it.
You have to be a snail in a marathon when
you're going through a divorce. You have to go one
(10:23):
step at a time, one foot in front of the other.
I think Kanye is a very talented artist. I think
he seems like he has a good heart and loves
his kids and is emotional and is feeling helpless because
when you're in a divorce, in the divorce process, you
feel helpless. If you're a person is used to getting
what you want and you are successful and you just
(10:44):
know how to make everybody hop to it and finish
across the finish line, this is going to be very difficult.
Kanye gets what Kanye wants, and Kim gets what Kim wants,
So for him. He is a genius. He has a
musical genius. He's done incredible things in the fashion world.
He's a billionaire. It's not that easy to understand. Wait
a second, I want to see this. I want to
see my kids every day of the week, or I
(11:04):
want to see him on a Tuesday. If it's not
your day, it's not your day. If it's not your
custody time, it's not your custody time. They may be
in the purgatory before somebody has mandated some sort of structure.
But the structure really does help because then it gives
you the guidelines and then you can then ask the
other person, which is often someone who doesn't want to
give you what you want at all, and then you
just have to stick to what it is like. It's
(11:26):
just there's a discipline to it. But my advice to
Kanye it would be you have to stay the course
and the way that you one day long time ago
weren't successful and had to just take it one step
at a time and take wins one step at a
time and losses one step at a time. That's what
the divorce process is. Love your kids, trust the process,
(11:47):
be proactive, be organized, but you cannot go rogue and
take matters into your own hands when it comes to
the divorce and custody process, it will only hurt you.
(12:11):
I have to tell you that I have literally hysterically
cried because I could never have my daughter for one
second that I wasn't legally allowed to. If I had
an opportunity in Australia that I knew about a year ahead,
I couldn't get a minute changed. Okay. So sometimes there's
(12:32):
a loophole in a custody agreement where you literally because
Thanksgiving falls next to the other person's two days or something,
and there's some loophole that a lawyer didn't see, and
you could be away from your child for nine to
eleven days when they're two years old. And when I
tell you that breaks your heart or something falls and
you try to make Thanksgiving on a Tuesday, you're like, Okay,
(12:53):
I know it's not my day. So Thanksgiving is in
my year. This year it's Tuesday on Thanksgiving, and someone
on my team made a mistake at the schedule and
I was literally in a movie with my child trying
to market Thanksgiving as a Tuesday. I had a bunch
of people coming to my house. I was cooking a
whole Thanksgiving dinner and uh, my child was literally pulled
out of my arms and demanded to go home immediately.
(13:16):
We're in the middle of a movie. We had to
walk out of a movie. I was hysterically crying, sobbing,
ruined my Thanksgiving. All the people came over, didn't even
do the dinner. Was drunk and sitting crying and sobbing
with swollen face to my friends. The next day, I
walked into the ocean. It was November, right before Thanksgiving.
I mean, I have been through the most dreadful experiences
(13:38):
in going through the custody process. I cannot explain. Not
everyone is going to make you go to the letter
of the law and use a custody agreement against you.
That's another thing I want to mention. Custody agreements are guidelines.
They're designed to protect the child. The whole custody process
is designed not for you, and that you get what
you want and that you funk over your ex now
(14:00):
so you win, not so it's a competition. Custody agreements
are designed to protect a child. The custody process designed
to protect a child. If you always think, and this
is another piece of advice for Kanye and for Kim,
for both of them, if you always run everything through
the filter truthfully, not the marketing filter. The true filter
(14:22):
is this what's best for this child for now and
going forward. And it could be a tough decision. It
could be that your child spends more time with the
other parent than you. It could be that they spend
less time. Whatever it is, it's not about you. It's
always about the child. So a custody agreement is supposed
to be used for the benefit of the child. It's
a structured contract. I've had contracts with business partners that
(14:44):
we don't always go by. They tell me that they
want me to post an in feed post twice a month,
and then you're annoying the customer and it's doing damage.
You call the partner, you tell them, They say, fine,
we don't need you to do that. That happens all
the time. A custody agreement is not supposed to be
used to torment the the person. It's not supposed to
be Ah Tuesday's it's at four. So no, you can't
(15:05):
have them at four, even if you're taking them to
a special experience with your parents, like some people will
do that use it as a weapon. Judges don't like that.
Judges don't like people playing games. They've seen it all.
They understand the mental warfare, they understand the manipulation, they
understand parental alienation. They understand all of it. And yes,
(15:25):
judges are people and they read the press too, so
they know about antics across the board. Uh So the
custody process just never forget. It is always designed to
help the child, what is best for the child, and
they can't always know should kids be on social media?
A forensic psychologist says, we don't actually know. We don't know.
(15:48):
It hasn't been around long enough to see the after effects,
the negativity. They don't know. We can. Everyone can speculate
it may be terrible, but they don't know, so they
don't just speak out of their ass because we all
think we're experts and we don't think the kids should
be all over social media, or we don't think relationships
to be publicized so greatly. Whatever we think, we don't
necessarily know, but we have to be good parents and
(16:11):
go with our gut instinct. Another thing I want to
mention lawyers are only as good as their clients. It's
like so many other things. Talent agents are only as
good as their clients. They're not gonna majestically present things
to you. They're going to change your life. You have
to work it. Television shows reality television shows only as
(16:31):
good as the people on them. I made my own
opportunities out of that opportunity, so listen to me about
this divorce. Lawyers are only as good as their clients.
I think there was a saying that one said, oh,
something about only a fool would have themselves as a
client or something like that, right, meaning only a fool
(16:51):
would represent themselves. So the reason that I was able
to be heard in my person of struggles during my
divorce was because I was intensely organized, calm, strategic. I
really kept my cool. I played chess, not checkers. You
(17:12):
can't just be some dumb dumb that lets some lawyer
charge you and just go figured out for themselves. They
don't understand. My lawyers told me, and one of them said.
One of them left the firm and said to me,
or the smartest client we've ever had. Because I would listen,
I would take their advice, but I also would stick
to my guns if there was something that I knew,
(17:33):
and I would paint for them what my reasoning was.
And often I had I thought of things that they
would say, Nope, that's not for now, that's over there,
put this over there, that's for later. But you have
to create your own strategy like everything else, and understand
what your goal is because the whole thing can get derailed. Divorced.
Lawyers are money makers. They've got multiple cases. They're not
focusing on your case except for when they're going into court.
(17:56):
They write an email, they forget about it. You have
to remind them of it a year later. You're piecing
together your own case. You're keeping copious notes, You're you
have folders, you have categories, you have sections. It will
build up. It's like a project. It's like trying to
do your thesis overnight. You have to be organized, be
able to back things up and make things thematic and
(18:18):
make them make sense. It's like you're presenting an organized
body of information to your lawyers and crystallizing it so
they then can use that to argue whatever point they
need to make. But trust me, you hand them a
big fucking mess left and right, tell them a bunch
(18:38):
of different things. They're not going to do a good job.
I could just promise you that they're only as good
as their client is organized, thorough, calm, patient, and strategic.
Another thing is, don't ever assume anyone is smarter than you.
Don't assume that your lawyers because they tell you know
(18:58):
you're not allowed to buy an their apartment because all
the money hasn't been sorted yet. If you're in an
emotional situation and you need to get out of a
place to live, and you're being told for logistical legal
reasons that you can't, you just have to be backed up.
You can't just like be rogue and walk out. You
have to have a plan. You have to have a
(19:19):
plan that's supported by evidence. While you need to make
a different move that a lawyer tells you not to do,
and you need to be able to support that. You
need to be able to communicate that. And it happened
to me. I moved out of a house. I was
told that you weren't supposed to move out until things
are resolved. If you're living in a very tortuous environment,
you need to take measures, but you need to do
(19:41):
the methodically. And what ended up happening, as a judge said,
finally someone had the sense to do what was best
for the child and move out of that environment, because
people get caught up in battling each other and not
thinking of what's best for the child. So if your
reason for moving out of a place when being advised
against by a lawyer is because it's best for the child,
(20:04):
be able to back that out. Another time, I was
told I wasn't allowed to spend money and buy another property.
You're not allowed to do that, your money is tied up.
My reasoning was, it's what's best for my child. This
I'm doing because it's what's best for my child. If
you're doing what's best for you, it will not work.
You also cannot be angry at or hate the other
(20:26):
person more than you love your child. You have to
put your child first in every situation, and you have
to get clarity on what that means. Fucking over your
ex is not loving your child. I tweeted that I
(20:55):
was going to jump through my phone if Teresa Giu
DJ does not sign a prenup because she said on
Andy Cohen show Watch What Happens Live that she wasn't
signing a prenup and her daughter was like, what does
she need? To sign a prenup for like, that's a
dumb and dumber conversation. I mean, you have to have
a prenup. It doesn't matter if you're a billionaire the
other person is a popper. You're the popper, they're the billionaire.
Let's just get the ship straight. We don't go into
(21:16):
business deals. And I know people say, well, it's love
and it's not a business deal. Well, you know what,
it becomes a business deal if you break up. You
want to be with someone that you want to be
able to divorce kindly with. And I say that and
that sounds unromantic, But guess what, getting divorce is not romantic.
And if six people are getting divorced, like you, you
(21:37):
don't have to go to Harvard. I didn't go to
have it or nothing. But I mean, I just know
that if six people are getting divorce, I'm telling Teresa G.
D J. Sign a fucking prenup. Get organized. It's uncomfortable.
It's a big girl conversation. That's uncomfortable. But anything can
happen in a courtroom, in a relationship in life. Know
what's going on is state planning pren ups. These are
(22:01):
adult business person conversations. It does not mean you don't
trust the person you're with. Have you never been in
an argument with someone? Have you never seen that someone's changed,
not been who you thought they were? Have you never
had a dispute with someone that everything was peachy keen
when it started out, whether business or otherwise, and then
you find yourself in a conflict with them something that
(22:23):
has to be settled or negotiated or terminated. I mean,
this is just life and acts of mind used to
say most things don't happen, meaning everything we worry about
doesn't happen. But why not be prepared God forbid something
happens to you. You have insurance. You don't get insurance
because you think you're going to fall into a ditch.
(22:44):
You you don't get insurance because you think your house
is going to burn down or flood or be blown
away in a hurricane or an earthquake. But you're happy
you had it if your house blows away in an
earthquake or a tornado or a hurricane. You get insurance
because you're not a dumbass. You have health insurance because
you're not a dumbass. Prenup is relationship insurance. Just do it.
(23:09):
Listen to Nike. Teresa, sign a prenup. Have the conversation.
If someone you're with is pressuring you because you're negotiating
with them in a prenup, it's okay. It's then don't
You don't have to get married. You can be a
life partner. If you're gonna get married, you need to
be responsible to take care of yourself and your family
if the ship goes sideways. Everybody's nice when they have
(23:31):
their new car smell. Everything is going well during the
honeymoon stage. And I love my fiance Paul, and I
am not bitter, and I have let go of every
ounce of anger because holding on to anger is drinking
poison and hoping the other person dies. But I'm still smart,
and I've realized that relationships, when signing a contract with
(23:53):
someone in a relationship sucks, So I need to make
that very clear. Being in a business negotiate asition with
someone that you love sucks so bad. It is poison
injected into a relationship. So I'm going to say that
Teresa has kids, they're grown, she's happy, she has her
own career, she represents all of us. I'm not really
(24:16):
making us about Teresa. I don't talk about people unless
they illustrate something that I think we can all learn from.
But if she wants to get married, which is something
legally binding. By getting married, you are legally bound to someone.
So if you're getting into a marriage and you are
going to be legally up legally bound to someone, and
you've signed documents and had witnesses and gone to that
(24:39):
state and gone to court to do it, that means
you've entered into an agreement with them. That means you
have to have a prenup associated with it. Frankly, people
should not be allowed to be legally married to one
another unless they have a legal document explaining that bind.
So Teresa can be emotionally married and lifetime committed to
(25:04):
that person the way Kurt Russell and goldiehon did it
for so many years and and other people have done it.
But if she or you are going to be legally
bound to someone in a way that you can't just
waltz on out, just like a contract in business, you
need to have a prenup, and it fucking sucks. So
as you and and as we, as we get deeper
(25:24):
into relationships and we don't have kids, you may want
to get married because you feel that it's going to
give you some sort of a protection. When you have kids,
that changes laws. And you may think that if you're
getting older and you're working on your partner's business, that
you may want to get married because you want some
sort of legal documents saying that you're bound to each other.
(25:47):
And then there are laws that protect that. But as
a woman who is older and has kids and works
and has been divorced, if you're going to be legally bound,
you must have a document to coincide with that in
case that legal agreement is broken. Another thing I want
(26:07):
to mention on the divorce and custody process is that
people way importance on the things that aren't necessarily the
most important. The minutia doesn't matter. I've said this before.
All the little things you think are so important that
you have to fight and you have to tell lawyers
about and you just got to dig in on may
(26:27):
not really be the things that matter, just they're just
not going to be. For example, people worry about custody
time a lot, the time spent, how much time spent
with your kids. You get more time and the other
person you get full You get primary custody time. Time time.
Wild time is great. As kids get older, they're spending
time with their friends, they're going to soccer games. You
have careers, you want to do what you want to do,
(26:49):
and time can be divided so many different ways. Meaning
you could have your child all the time, but then
you have to work so you're not spending all the
time with them anyway. Or you need to get child's care,
so then you've fought to have the time, but it's
not it's time with a childcare professional. I've never had
a nanny, so that's always been it's always been a
lot of really good quality time. But then people fight
(27:10):
for the pennies on the six seventy thirty. What could
matter is that it's not that you need more time,
but that you need to know that you are with
someone or divorcing someone or separating from someone. That would
be flexible, meaning you could have swing days, switch days,
just say okay, I don't know, I'll take fifty fifty,
but I just want to know that two days a
(27:32):
month I can say I need to make a switch
and you'll accommodate. I mean, there are many ways to
do this. It's like contracts in business. There's so many
ways to do it, but people get caught up on
just the math of the time. It could matter to
you because sixty verst fifty does change child support and
that could really matter. That's something that's interesting that it
(27:53):
could be one or two more days and then it
changed child support. Um oh okay. So another thing is
people think about time. I want to be my child more.
It's traumatizing to think about less time when especially when
they're very young, and um, how you spend your time
is very important. So that could be as important as
who has more or the percentage. But I'll say something
(28:13):
that people don't talk about as much as time is
decision making. Sometimes people will have fifty fifty custody on time,
but one person makes the decision. So this is really
an important thing. We talk about money in pre nups.
I don't know why possible divorce terms aren't discussed in
(28:36):
pre nups because that's important stuff. If we are going
to we're getting married, we're going to have a child.
What would happen if this didn't work out? People talk
about it financially all the time. I just thought of that,
like it should be a child nup, a custody nup,
what's what's the custody situation going to be if we
broke up? Would you do fifty? Because if you're gonna
(28:57):
come to me and say to me that you're only
gonna you're gonna want to any thirty, I don't want that.
I don't want to have a child with you. Or
what what is your stance on religion for the child,
or private versus public school or after school activities? What
would you think if our child horseback road? Is that
something you don't find safe? What if they want to
get into a race car? Why don't we Why don't
(29:18):
we only talk about pre nups as pertains to money.
The custody stuff is the major stuff. I'm not gonna
lie money. You could be figured out with a freaking
calculator and and a forensic accountant. The custody stuff gets real.
So also, decision making is more important than time. Why
what if your child has a medical issue. What if
there's an education issue. What if a school needs to
(29:40):
be switched. What if there's a big decision to be made.
Your child needs to be taken out of high school
because they're a gifted professional athlete, They're going to be homeschooled. Well,
one person, they think that's preposterous, that will never happen.
What if the kid takes acting lessons, becomes uber famous,
and then one parent decides they don't want the other
(30:00):
that they don't want the child to be homeschool they
don't believe in this. From a principal standpoint, two years old,
you can't decide whether you'd be into your fourteen year
old having a twenty million person TikTok following go giving
up high school and wanting to be a professional uh
skateboarder or a professional instagrammer. You can't know, So these
(30:22):
things need to be discussed ahead of time. From a
principal standpoint, would you allow your partner to put your
kid on reality TV? That's a very Kim Kanye thing.
Are we agreeing together? And decision making is important when
it comes to those matters. Who's going to make the
decision about which college we're gonna choose. It's cute that
you think that both parents are gonna agree, but that's
gonna be a lot of fighting. Where are the kids
(30:44):
going to spend their times in the summer? Are they
going to camp? What if there's a psychological issue, a
drug problem, a kid needs to go away to be
in some sort of like rehab high school. Someone has
to be put on medicine on adderall has has a
d h D. One person thinks issue be on on
a medication, the other doesn't. You have a special needs child? Like,
(31:04):
how are you handling that You're going through the public
school school system in that or are you having or
you're moving to a place that has special programs. These
are the issues that are really important and no one
is talking about them. It's about pre nups because of money,
but it's not about how people align as it pertains
to all the other issues that come up. And here's
(31:25):
the thing, I've been through all of them. Of them
I've been through, so I think it's important to share
and to educate and to help change the way things
are done. Let me be the guinea pig who went
through almost a decade of nightmares to help you not
(31:45):
go through them. Just Be is hosted by me Bethany Frankel.
Just Be as a production of the Real productions I
Heart Radio and Blue Duck Media. Are EPs are Morgan Levois,
Antonio Enriquez, and Kara hit To catch more moments from
the show, follow us on Instagram and just be with
Bethany
So one of my most popular episodes of Just Be
was when I talked about my divorce, and not in
a salacious aspect, not for gossip's sake, to explain what
a person can go through, the the amount of strife
and stress and emotional duress that someone can go through
(00:36):
during a divorce. I happen to have what I call
Hall of Fame divorce that lasted about nine and a
half years on a two year marriage. But I do
consider myself an expert in this area. Why because I
have probably been to court over twenty times. I am
a student of everything that I do, so I listen,
(00:58):
I learn, I research, I'm organized. I have been through
every aspect of a divorce as it pertains to different
legal nuances, stalking, harassment, being followed, organizing notebooks, custody issues,
changing custody issues, laws, just so many different things that
(01:21):
I've been through. So I want to help other people
by giving them advice and sharing what I've been through,
not my own personal gossip, but tools for them so
they don't go through what I went through financially, emotionally, spiritually, physically.
It almost killed me too. So it's my job to
help people to not go through what I went through,
(01:43):
or to really mitigate that, to minimize that. And basically
we laugh sometimes here and we talk about celebrities and
uh gossip. It's not really what the show is about
at all, but sometimes I'll dabble and talk about different
public figures. But I really don't like to talk about
public figures unless there's some lesson, there's something we can
(02:04):
learn about ourselves. So while I've joked about Julia Fox
and Kanye and her being in sort of a cheer
relationship or one day he just decided he was going
to make her the girl in Hollywood, and I've talked
about the success of the Kardashians and Kale being a
Kale Dashian and all the stupid things I'd say, I
(02:24):
want to talk about popular culture as it pertains to divorce.
So I watch people that are very successful and very
famous get into relationships, gush, flaunt, express post filter show,
elaborate gifts and vacations and this person loves me so
(02:45):
much and it's my soul mate, and just going on
and on, and then if they break up, which sadly
and not to be the doomsayer or more than uh
of divorce, more than sixty percent of marriages end up
in divorce, then please, can you respect our privacy during
this very difficult time? And I always think, well, why
don't you want us to respect your privacy during this
(03:08):
very easy time, Because you can't have it both ways.
You can't invite us into your life and the gifts
and the flowers and the romance and the story and
all of that if you don't expect us to be
invested in the demise. We heard the whole story, we
now want to know how it unfolded. So I've been
thinking about Kim and Kanye as their divorce plays out
(03:29):
in the public. So Kim and Kanye were married for
several years. It seems that they were friends for a
really long time, that he really adored her, uh, that
they got together and he was extremely generous, elaborate gifts
and stocks and Cartier and air mes and diamonds and
(03:49):
all these things. That we saw this amazing public proposal
in uh a baseball stadium near San Francisco, I believe,
and her gorgeous wedding and her dress and uh John
Legends song, uh all of me and you know, it
was amazing. And then he invited her into his fashion
(04:13):
style and world and to the met Ball, and she
became this fashion icon in her own right. But they
both elevated each other. It seemed like him as a
really respected artist. They the sum was greater than their parts,
and they both really thrived, and they both became billionaires
in the process. And they have this beautiful family and
(04:34):
this great life, and things then unraveled as relationships do.
It happened to me, it happens to everyone. We were
on that ride. So now the public is involved in
their divorce. But Kanye obviously in particular, is really really
shedding a light on his divorce. And he's talking to
(04:55):
the court of public opinion instead of talking to the
court of the custody of your children. So now is
where I'm getting into what really matters if you ever
are dealing with a custody situation or a divorce. So
here's the deal. Judges want what's best for the children.
All they care about is what's best for the children. Now,
(05:16):
Kanye has been talking about how he doesn't want his
daughter who's eight on TikTok, and he didn't approve this.
He's asking all of us to rally around him and
vying for our attention. Um, that's gonna be a really
hard argument for him because he participated in a reality
show and a lifestyle that showed their children photos, group
Halloween costumes, all of this stuff. I've experienced this myself.
(05:39):
You can't endorse it when you're a part of it
and then denounce it when you've walked away from it.
You can't have it both ways. So had he been
a person that was very protective over the kids and
their families privacy the whole way and discussed that with
his wife while married, then that might hold water. That's
also like something that you talk about in the beginning.
You're Jewish, I'm Catholic. Can we get through that? You
(06:02):
want to have kids? I don't. Can we get through that?
Whatever the situation is, these are issues that are discussed
in the beginning. But from my perspective, the Kardashians is
a very very public show and empire. Social media is
a bigger empire than the Kardashians show, and the kids
have shown up on social media everywhere and been, you know,
out with the paparazzi and celebrated. So Kanye can't now
(06:24):
come and rally for people to think that his child
should be off social media when she was literally born
into that world. Whether you like that or not, it's
not our business. It's just a fact. You Also, he
could say, and probably will, that when they were younger,
they didn't have a choice and they didn't know what
they were doing, and they would just babies. And now
it's different. But still I stand by the fact that
(06:46):
the entire family and all the siblings and all the
kids are part of this machine. So he can't say that.
But more importantly, he's coming to the public and trying
to get the court of public opinion on his side.
Nothing pisces a judge off more than side shows, circuses,
(07:07):
spectacles there there for the child. So while the judge
personally may not agree with a child being born into
and living this in you know, very public lifestyle, they
won't be able to speak to whether that's the best
for a child. They would have a forensic psychologist analyze
whether that's the best for a child. Now that this
may never get there, because I don't I think they'll
(07:28):
probably settle at some point, but a judge won't decide.
He would have a he or she would have an opinion,
but they won't just decide whether that's what's best. But
what they do know for sure that's not best is
that fighting over a child in a custody battle is
like watching your child drown at the end of a dock,
(07:50):
calling you to save them, and you're just standing there
watching them. So that's what's really bad for a child
them watching this go back and forth, and again, remember
ivan experience this. I know what this is all like.
The court isn't necessary evil. Divorce lawyers are necessary evil.
You can't just go rogue and do things on your
own way. So you can't Kanye your way out of
(08:11):
a divorce and go public unless it's a tactic to
shake down the other side for public reasons, and that
they'll just sort of fold because you're publicly making this
a court issue. But if this ends up going to court,
or if there's a judge involved in anything, they're not
going to like side shows. They're not going to like
a child being utilized as a tool for the media.
(08:33):
That's something that I can absolutely be certain of, so
I would suggest And also when I say side shows,
I mean people, when you're getting divorced, you think every
dumb thing matters. Every Oh my god, I can't believe
you just said that to me. Someone just said something
nasty to you or something you don't understand. Judges see
parents that put lit cigarettes out on their children. Okay,
(08:56):
they see serious abuse. They say see very major issues.
They don't really make massive moves unless major stuff is happening.
So when you're going through a divorce and some bad, mean,
nasty comment comes through, or something is bad, or someone
did something appalling at your kid's recital, it may be bad.
They may be an asshole, whether man or woman, but
(09:17):
being an asshole is not a reason to start sending
emails and telling lawyers. It's just a way for you
to waste your money. And also, people always think they're
smarter than the process. They think, Okay, well, I know
we're talking about this one issue and we're talking about
splitting custody, or we're talking about this other thing. But
let me just let the judge know that this this
partner of mine or ex partner mine did this other
(09:40):
thing just to prove what a bad person they are.
Judges don't give a shit. They're focused on the main
issue at hand. We're talking about this one issue. Is
it sixty custody? Is it fifty fifty is a visitation?
Is it? Uh? Someone is going to live in one
state or another state. They're focused on the one issue.
You start bringing inside shit and they it derails the process.
(10:02):
It's so tempting. And those of you who have gone
through a divorce, or are going through a divorce, or
are thinking about going through a divorce know what I'm
talking about. Because you are tempted by the side show.
Avoid the side show. There's just no upside to it.
You have to be a snail in a marathon when
you're going through a divorce. You have to go one
(10:23):
step at a time, one foot in front of the other.
I think Kanye is a very talented artist. I think
he seems like he has a good heart and loves
his kids and is emotional and is feeling helpless because
when you're in a divorce, in the divorce process, you
feel helpless. If you're a person is used to getting
what you want and you are successful and you just
(10:44):
know how to make everybody hop to it and finish
across the finish line, this is going to be very difficult.
Kanye gets what Kanye wants, and Kim gets what Kim wants,
So for him. He is a genius. He has a
musical genius. He's done incredible things in the fashion world.
He's a billionaire. It's not that easy to understand. Wait
a second, I want to see this. I want to
see my kids every day of the week, or I
(11:04):
want to see him on a Tuesday. If it's not
your day, it's not your day. If it's not your
custody time, it's not your custody time. They may be
in the purgatory before somebody has mandated some sort of structure.
But the structure really does help because then it gives
you the guidelines and then you can then ask the
other person, which is often someone who doesn't want to
give you what you want at all, and then you
just have to stick to what it is like. It's
(11:26):
just there's a discipline to it. But my advice to
Kanye it would be you have to stay the course
and the way that you one day long time ago
weren't successful and had to just take it one step
at a time and take wins one step at a
time and losses one step at a time. That's what
the divorce process is. Love your kids, trust the process,
(11:47):
be proactive, be organized, but you cannot go rogue and
take matters into your own hands when it comes to
the divorce and custody process, it will only hurt you.
(12:11):
I have to tell you that I have literally hysterically
cried because I could never have my daughter for one
second that I wasn't legally allowed to. If I had
an opportunity in Australia that I knew about a year ahead,
I couldn't get a minute changed. Okay. So sometimes there's
(12:32):
a loophole in a custody agreement where you literally because
Thanksgiving falls next to the other person's two days or something,
and there's some loophole that a lawyer didn't see, and
you could be away from your child for nine to
eleven days when they're two years old. And when I
tell you that breaks your heart or something falls and
you try to make Thanksgiving on a Tuesday, you're like, Okay,
(12:53):
I know it's not my day. So Thanksgiving is in
my year. This year it's Tuesday on Thanksgiving, and someone
on my team made a mistake at the schedule and
I was literally in a movie with my child trying
to market Thanksgiving as a Tuesday. I had a bunch
of people coming to my house. I was cooking a
whole Thanksgiving dinner and uh, my child was literally pulled
out of my arms and demanded to go home immediately.
(13:16):
We're in the middle of a movie. We had to
walk out of a movie. I was hysterically crying, sobbing,
ruined my Thanksgiving. All the people came over, didn't even
do the dinner. Was drunk and sitting crying and sobbing
with swollen face to my friends. The next day, I
walked into the ocean. It was November, right before Thanksgiving.
I mean, I have been through the most dreadful experiences
(13:38):
in going through the custody process. I cannot explain. Not
everyone is going to make you go to the letter
of the law and use a custody agreement against you.
That's another thing I want to mention. Custody agreements are guidelines.
They're designed to protect the child. The whole custody process
is designed not for you, and that you get what
you want and that you funk over your ex now
(14:00):
so you win, not so it's a competition. Custody agreements
are designed to protect a child. The custody process designed
to protect a child. If you always think, and this
is another piece of advice for Kanye and for Kim,
for both of them, if you always run everything through
the filter truthfully, not the marketing filter. The true filter
(14:22):
is this what's best for this child for now and
going forward. And it could be a tough decision. It
could be that your child spends more time with the
other parent than you. It could be that they spend
less time. Whatever it is, it's not about you. It's
always about the child. So a custody agreement is supposed
to be used for the benefit of the child. It's
a structured contract. I've had contracts with business partners that
(14:44):
we don't always go by. They tell me that they
want me to post an in feed post twice a month,
and then you're annoying the customer and it's doing damage.
You call the partner, you tell them, They say, fine,
we don't need you to do that. That happens all
the time. A custody agreement is not supposed to be
used to torment the the person. It's not supposed to
be Ah Tuesday's it's at four. So no, you can't
(15:05):
have them at four, even if you're taking them to
a special experience with your parents, like some people will
do that use it as a weapon. Judges don't like that.
Judges don't like people playing games. They've seen it all.
They understand the mental warfare, they understand the manipulation, they
understand parental alienation. They understand all of it. And yes,
(15:25):
judges are people and they read the press too, so
they know about antics across the board. Uh So the
custody process just never forget. It is always designed to
help the child, what is best for the child, and
they can't always know should kids be on social media?
A forensic psychologist says, we don't actually know. We don't know.
(15:48):
It hasn't been around long enough to see the after effects,
the negativity. They don't know. We can. Everyone can speculate
it may be terrible, but they don't know, so they
don't just speak out of their ass because we all
think we're experts and we don't think the kids should
be all over social media, or we don't think relationships
to be publicized so greatly. Whatever we think, we don't
necessarily know, but we have to be good parents and
(16:11):
go with our gut instinct. Another thing I want to
mention lawyers are only as good as their clients. It's
like so many other things. Talent agents are only as
good as their clients. They're not gonna majestically present things
to you. They're going to change your life. You have
to work it. Television shows reality television shows only as
(16:31):
good as the people on them. I made my own
opportunities out of that opportunity, so listen to me about
this divorce. Lawyers are only as good as their clients.
I think there was a saying that one said, oh,
something about only a fool would have themselves as a
client or something like that, right, meaning only a fool
(16:51):
would represent themselves. So the reason that I was able
to be heard in my person of struggles during my
divorce was because I was intensely organized, calm, strategic. I
really kept my cool. I played chess, not checkers. You
(17:12):
can't just be some dumb dumb that lets some lawyer
charge you and just go figured out for themselves. They
don't understand. My lawyers told me, and one of them said.
One of them left the firm and said to me,
or the smartest client we've ever had. Because I would listen,
I would take their advice, but I also would stick
to my guns if there was something that I knew,
(17:33):
and I would paint for them what my reasoning was.
And often I had I thought of things that they
would say, Nope, that's not for now, that's over there,
put this over there, that's for later. But you have
to create your own strategy like everything else, and understand
what your goal is because the whole thing can get derailed. Divorced.
Lawyers are money makers. They've got multiple cases. They're not
focusing on your case except for when they're going into court.
(17:56):
They write an email, they forget about it. You have
to remind them of it a year later. You're piecing
together your own case. You're keeping copious notes, You're you
have folders, you have categories, you have sections. It will
build up. It's like a project. It's like trying to
do your thesis overnight. You have to be organized, be
able to back things up and make things thematic and
(18:18):
make them make sense. It's like you're presenting an organized
body of information to your lawyers and crystallizing it so
they then can use that to argue whatever point they
need to make. But trust me, you hand them a
big fucking mess left and right, tell them a bunch
(18:38):
of different things. They're not going to do a good job.
I could just promise you that they're only as good
as their client is organized, thorough, calm, patient, and strategic.
Another thing is, don't ever assume anyone is smarter than you.
Don't assume that your lawyers because they tell you know
(18:58):
you're not allowed to buy an their apartment because all
the money hasn't been sorted yet. If you're in an
emotional situation and you need to get out of a
place to live, and you're being told for logistical legal
reasons that you can't, you just have to be backed up.
You can't just like be rogue and walk out. You
have to have a plan. You have to have a
(19:19):
plan that's supported by evidence. While you need to make
a different move that a lawyer tells you not to do,
and you need to be able to support that. You
need to be able to communicate that. And it happened
to me. I moved out of a house. I was
told that you weren't supposed to move out until things
are resolved. If you're living in a very tortuous environment,
you need to take measures, but you need to do
(19:41):
the methodically. And what ended up happening, as a judge said,
finally someone had the sense to do what was best
for the child and move out of that environment, because
people get caught up in battling each other and not
thinking of what's best for the child. So if your
reason for moving out of a place when being advised
against by a lawyer is because it's best for the child,
(20:04):
be able to back that out. Another time, I was
told I wasn't allowed to spend money and buy another property.
You're not allowed to do that, your money is tied up.
My reasoning was, it's what's best for my child. This
I'm doing because it's what's best for my child. If
you're doing what's best for you, it will not work.
You also cannot be angry at or hate the other
(20:26):
person more than you love your child. You have to
put your child first in every situation, and you have
to get clarity on what that means. Fucking over your
ex is not loving your child. I tweeted that I
(20:55):
was going to jump through my phone if Teresa Giu
DJ does not sign a prenup because she said on
Andy Cohen show Watch What Happens Live that she wasn't
signing a prenup and her daughter was like, what does
she need? To sign a prenup for like, that's a
dumb and dumber conversation. I mean, you have to have
a prenup. It doesn't matter if you're a billionaire the
other person is a popper. You're the popper, they're the billionaire.
Let's just get the ship straight. We don't go into
(21:16):
business deals. And I know people say, well, it's love
and it's not a business deal. Well, you know what,
it becomes a business deal if you break up. You
want to be with someone that you want to be
able to divorce kindly with. And I say that and
that sounds unromantic, But guess what, getting divorce is not romantic.
And if six people are getting divorced, like you, you
(21:37):
don't have to go to Harvard. I didn't go to
have it or nothing. But I mean, I just know
that if six people are getting divorce, I'm telling Teresa G.
D J. Sign a fucking prenup. Get organized. It's uncomfortable.
It's a big girl conversation. That's uncomfortable. But anything can
happen in a courtroom, in a relationship in life. Know
what's going on is state planning pren ups. These are
(22:01):
adult business person conversations. It does not mean you don't
trust the person you're with. Have you never been in
an argument with someone? Have you never seen that someone's changed,
not been who you thought they were? Have you never
had a dispute with someone that everything was peachy keen
when it started out, whether business or otherwise, and then
you find yourself in a conflict with them something that
(22:23):
has to be settled or negotiated or terminated. I mean,
this is just life and acts of mind used to
say most things don't happen, meaning everything we worry about
doesn't happen. But why not be prepared God forbid something
happens to you. You have insurance. You don't get insurance
because you think you're going to fall into a ditch.
(22:44):
You you don't get insurance because you think your house
is going to burn down or flood or be blown
away in a hurricane or an earthquake. But you're happy
you had it if your house blows away in an
earthquake or a tornado or a hurricane. You get insurance
because you're not a dumbass. You have health insurance because
you're not a dumbass. Prenup is relationship insurance. Just do it.
(23:09):
Listen to Nike. Teresa, sign a prenup. Have the conversation.
If someone you're with is pressuring you because you're negotiating
with them in a prenup, it's okay. It's then don't
You don't have to get married. You can be a
life partner. If you're gonna get married, you need to
be responsible to take care of yourself and your family
if the ship goes sideways. Everybody's nice when they have
(23:31):
their new car smell. Everything is going well during the
honeymoon stage. And I love my fiance Paul, and I
am not bitter, and I have let go of every
ounce of anger because holding on to anger is drinking
poison and hoping the other person dies. But I'm still smart,
and I've realized that relationships, when signing a contract with
(23:53):
someone in a relationship sucks, So I need to make
that very clear. Being in a business negotiate asition with
someone that you love sucks so bad. It is poison
injected into a relationship. So I'm going to say that
Teresa has kids, they're grown, she's happy, she has her
own career, she represents all of us. I'm not really
(24:16):
making us about Teresa. I don't talk about people unless
they illustrate something that I think we can all learn from.
But if she wants to get married, which is something
legally binding. By getting married, you are legally bound to someone.
So if you're getting into a marriage and you are
going to be legally up legally bound to someone, and
you've signed documents and had witnesses and gone to that
(24:39):
state and gone to court to do it, that means
you've entered into an agreement with them. That means you
have to have a prenup associated with it. Frankly, people
should not be allowed to be legally married to one
another unless they have a legal document explaining that bind.
So Teresa can be emotionally married and lifetime committed to
(25:04):
that person the way Kurt Russell and goldiehon did it
for so many years and and other people have done it.
But if she or you are going to be legally
bound to someone in a way that you can't just
waltz on out, just like a contract in business, you
need to have a prenup, and it fucking sucks. So
as you and and as we, as we get deeper
(25:24):
into relationships and we don't have kids, you may want
to get married because you feel that it's going to
give you some sort of a protection. When you have kids,
that changes laws. And you may think that if you're
getting older and you're working on your partner's business, that
you may want to get married because you want some
sort of legal documents saying that you're bound to each other.
(25:47):
And then there are laws that protect that. But as
a woman who is older and has kids and works
and has been divorced, if you're going to be legally bound,
you must have a document to coincide with that in
case that legal agreement is broken. Another thing I want
(26:07):
to mention on the divorce and custody process is that
people way importance on the things that aren't necessarily the
most important. The minutia doesn't matter. I've said this before.
All the little things you think are so important that
you have to fight and you have to tell lawyers
about and you just got to dig in on may
(26:27):
not really be the things that matter, just they're just
not going to be. For example, people worry about custody
time a lot, the time spent, how much time spent
with your kids. You get more time and the other
person you get full You get primary custody time. Time time.
Wild time is great. As kids get older, they're spending
time with their friends, they're going to soccer games. You
have careers, you want to do what you want to do,
(26:49):
and time can be divided so many different ways. Meaning
you could have your child all the time, but then
you have to work so you're not spending all the
time with them anyway. Or you need to get child's care,
so then you've fought to have the time, but it's
not it's time with a childcare professional. I've never had
a nanny, so that's always been it's always been a
lot of really good quality time. But then people fight
(27:10):
for the pennies on the six seventy thirty. What could
matter is that it's not that you need more time,
but that you need to know that you are with
someone or divorcing someone or separating from someone. That would
be flexible, meaning you could have swing days, switch days,
just say okay, I don't know, I'll take fifty fifty,
but I just want to know that two days a
(27:32):
month I can say I need to make a switch
and you'll accommodate. I mean, there are many ways to
do this. It's like contracts in business. There's so many
ways to do it, but people get caught up on
just the math of the time. It could matter to
you because sixty verst fifty does change child support and
that could really matter. That's something that's interesting that it
(27:53):
could be one or two more days and then it
changed child support. Um oh okay. So another thing is
people think about time. I want to be my child more.
It's traumatizing to think about less time when especially when
they're very young, and um, how you spend your time
is very important. So that could be as important as
who has more or the percentage. But I'll say something
(28:13):
that people don't talk about as much as time is
decision making. Sometimes people will have fifty fifty custody on time,
but one person makes the decision. So this is really
an important thing. We talk about money in pre nups.
I don't know why possible divorce terms aren't discussed in
(28:36):
pre nups because that's important stuff. If we are going
to we're getting married, we're going to have a child.
What would happen if this didn't work out? People talk
about it financially all the time. I just thought of that,
like it should be a child nup, a custody nup,
what's what's the custody situation going to be if we
broke up? Would you do fifty? Because if you're gonna
(28:57):
come to me and say to me that you're only
gonna you're gonna want to any thirty, I don't want that.
I don't want to have a child with you. Or
what what is your stance on religion for the child,
or private versus public school or after school activities? What
would you think if our child horseback road? Is that
something you don't find safe? What if they want to
get into a race car? Why don't we Why don't
(29:18):
we only talk about pre nups as pertains to money.
The custody stuff is the major stuff. I'm not gonna
lie money. You could be figured out with a freaking
calculator and and a forensic accountant. The custody stuff gets real.
So also, decision making is more important than time. Why
what if your child has a medical issue. What if
there's an education issue. What if a school needs to
(29:40):
be switched. What if there's a big decision to be made.
Your child needs to be taken out of high school
because they're a gifted professional athlete, They're going to be homeschooled. Well,
one person, they think that's preposterous, that will never happen.
What if the kid takes acting lessons, becomes uber famous,
and then one parent decides they don't want the other
(30:00):
that they don't want the child to be homeschool they
don't believe in this. From a principal standpoint, two years old,
you can't decide whether you'd be into your fourteen year
old having a twenty million person TikTok following go giving
up high school and wanting to be a professional uh
skateboarder or a professional instagrammer. You can't know, So these
(30:22):
things need to be discussed ahead of time. From a
principal standpoint, would you allow your partner to put your
kid on reality TV? That's a very Kim Kanye thing.
Are we agreeing together? And decision making is important when
it comes to those matters. Who's going to make the
decision about which college we're gonna choose. It's cute that
you think that both parents are gonna agree, but that's
gonna be a lot of fighting. Where are the kids
(30:44):
going to spend their times in the summer? Are they
going to camp? What if there's a psychological issue, a
drug problem, a kid needs to go away to be
in some sort of like rehab high school. Someone has
to be put on medicine on adderall has has a
d h D. One person thinks issue be on on
a medication, the other doesn't. You have a special needs child? Like,
(31:04):
how are you handling that You're going through the public
school school system in that or are you having or
you're moving to a place that has special programs. These
are the issues that are really important and no one
is talking about them. It's about pre nups because of money,
but it's not about how people align as it pertains
to all the other issues that come up. And here's
(31:25):
the thing, I've been through all of them. Of them
I've been through, so I think it's important to share
and to educate and to help change the way things
are done. Let me be the guinea pig who went
through almost a decade of nightmares to help you not
(31:45):
go through them. Just Be is hosted by me Bethany Frankel.
Just Be as a production of the Real productions I
Heart Radio and Blue Duck Media. Are EPs are Morgan Levois,
Antonio Enriquez, and Kara hit To catch more moments from
the show, follow us on Instagram and just be with
Bethany
Popular Podcasts
1. Stuff You Missed in History Class
Join Holly and Tracy as they bring you the greatest and strangest Stuff You Missed In History Class in this podcast by iHeartRadio.
2. Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations.
3. Crime Junkie
If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people.