Founder @ Crowne Consulting | Recruiting in the Logistics, Transportation, Brokerage and Tech Industries across All Verticals
Don’t tell the recruiter you’re looking for 75k if you’re just going to tell the hiring manager that you’re looking for 100k at the end of the interview process. If you want 100k, tell me that you want 100k. We want to help you negotiate the best salary, but if you are counting on us to get you in the door with one of our clients, don’t make us look stupid when you do a bait and switch on what your salary expectations are. Often times we’re told by our clients what salary range they can afford for a certain role. If that range is 65-75k and you say you need 75k, I’m going to make the introduction. If you say you won’t accept an offer for less than 100k then I am not going to waste your time, my time or certainly not my client’s time. It’s just not a good look, guys. #recruiting #sales Follow:Christyn Williams
Why don't you guys just be honest up front and tell everyone what the job pays? You don't share this info because you want to find the cheapest potential employee you can. Stop trying to act like salary is not a factor to every job you are trying to fill. If you guys would be honest then perhaps you'd find more honesty from potential employees. You play a game with everyone but get upset when the tables are turned.
OK, going through this comment thread makes me think of the scene from Inside Out 2 where Anxiety was talking about what could only go WRONG. What if by being honest with your recruiter/expectations, something were to go pleasantly the other direction, and go RIGHT? For example, I spoke with a Director today who is interested in being submitted. I asked her salary requirement, and she said $100k. I said..."No, let's bump that up to 120k. 100k is not enough for your background." Does it happen all the time? No. Does it happen? YES! I cannot WAIT for the 'Era of Distrust' to end, on both sides of the recruiting equation. Let's be decent, honest, people helping people as best we can.
Transparency on both sides is important. However, there may be times when following an interview discussion that the role may be presented differently than what’s posted, or scope changes. If that’s the case, and it’s happened, I’d always want to loop back with the recruiter first to make sure we’re all aligned. Otherwise, no one looks good.
The Ludacris comments on this post about how recruiters are to blame, companies are bad etc are crazy! Christyn is sharing a situation where a candidate said one thing in an interview and then changed their tune with the hiring manager. I get it, maybe they feel the position is worth more, who knows? You definitely don't and neither do I so I'm not going to pretend I do and point fingers. All she is saying is if you say $75 for a position ranging from $65-75K and then you decide you want $100k isn't going to go well and effectively you've just wasted your time, the companies, and made the recruiter look like an idiot (you too). Not a good luck. Want transparency - give it.
I would agree with you wholeheartedly, but often times, after interviewing, learning more about the role, the people and financial oversight, along with due diligence research, it could be determined that the company is a train wreck and the position should be paying more, to fix the disaster they have on their hands. IMHO
Christyn Williams what I hate is when people like me are trying to build bridges between recruiters and candidates and then someone comes along and deliberately reignites the argument. "Don't be a dick" isn't something that needs to be put in a post on a professional recruiting site. It's unnecessary, unhelpful, and we should all be above pointing fingers at each other. Can we all just agree 3 simple rules? 1. Be nice to each other. Candidates need recruiters, and recruiters need candidates. Everything works better if we just agree to get along. 2. Recruiters please be honest with candidates, that includes putting, at least, a salary range on adverts, every advert. And NO "competitive" isn't a salary range. 3. Candidates please be honest with recruiters, that includes what you are expecting, your address, and not applying for every role you see with salary.
Candidates are not interviewing with only you just like you and others are not interviewing only one candidate. Is it possible they were offered $90k from company A and upon learning that used it as leverage to get more from company B? The job market is tough. $75k is better than $0k so they said it was fine. I don't fault them for that. Just offering a different perspective that going into it they were not intentionally wasting your time.
You waste everybody's time anyway. That's what recruiters do.
Business Development Coordinator @ EDETEK | Proposal Specialist | RFP/RFI/BID/Tender
2wI had the opposite happened to me last month. Recruiter asked my range, I told them, they got me an interview with their client, their client held me there for 40 minutes asking me all types of questions to, in the end of the interview, say that "we like you, but we cant afford you. We do have money, but we are investing in technology right now. There is a lot of money to be made in this market, if you give us a chance we can top your salary expectation within the next X months" and I replied: I had already shared my salary expectations with HR prior to this interview, but how much are you willing to pay me now? He said 1/3 of what I was asking and I told him, thanks for your time, but this isn't what I applied for. Good luck and have a nice day. I went back to the HR company and said this was a waste of my time and the client's time and very unprofessional, to which they understood and apologized for, but still, not a great experience.