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Dr. Eitan D Schwarz
MD, DLFAPA, FAACAP
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
I work with folks of all ages who may be reacting to stresses at work, school, or in relationships, or unhappy with depression, anxiety, ADHD, or trauma. A psychiatrist therapist is just that. Before the first visit, I will first send you medical and other questionnaires to bring with you so we can remain thorough and focused only on your needs. You can usually count on some relief and a clear plan when you leave. Most of my patients see a gradual lifting of symptoms within the first week or two and sustained improvement thereafter.
I work with folks of all ages who may be reacting to stresses at work, school, or in relationships, or unhappy with depression, anxiety, ADHD, or trauma. A psychiatrist therapist is just that. Before the first visit, I will first send you medical and other questionnaires to bring with you so we can remain thorough and focused only on your needs. You can usually count on some relief and a clear plan when you leave. Most of my patients see a gradual lifting of symptoms within the first week or two and sustained improvement thereafter.
(224) 970-3055 View (224) 970-3055
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Eric Ornstein
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MA, LCSW
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
People I work with are often struggling with issues including depression, anxiety, trauma, relationship challenges, and life transitions. Over a long career, as a Psychotherapist and Social Work Professor, I have come to appreciate the role therapy can play in the process of taking control of our lives and building healthier relationships. This process is marked by certain key steps which include: identifying client strengths, finding alternate coping mechanisms, and bolstering resilience. Central to all of these is fostering Self Awareness: transformation of automatic behavior into conscious, deliberate choices.
People I work with are often struggling with issues including depression, anxiety, trauma, relationship challenges, and life transitions. Over a long career, as a Psychotherapist and Social Work Professor, I have come to appreciate the role therapy can play in the process of taking control of our lives and building healthier relationships. This process is marked by certain key steps which include: identifying client strengths, finding alternate coping mechanisms, and bolstering resilience. Central to all of these is fostering Self Awareness: transformation of automatic behavior into conscious, deliberate choices.
(224) 412-5993 View (224) 412-5993
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Rachel Rios
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LSW, MSW
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
I specialize in helping teens and young adults navigate the complexities of life, providing a safe and supportive environment for therapy. I understand that this stage of life can be challenging, and my goal is to make therapy a positive experience, where you feel heard and valued. Together, we'll work on building skills and strategies to help you manage stress, anxiety, and other issues that come with growing up. My approach is empathetic and empowering, designed to give you the tools you need to thrive in this tough world. Let's take this journey together—you're not alone
I specialize in helping teens and young adults navigate the complexities of life, providing a safe and supportive environment for therapy. I understand that this stage of life can be challenging, and my goal is to make therapy a positive experience, where you feel heard and valued. Together, we'll work on building skills and strategies to help you manage stress, anxiety, and other issues that come with growing up. My approach is empathetic and empowering, designed to give you the tools you need to thrive in this tough world. Let's take this journey together—you're not alone
(224) 263-1346 View (224) 263-1346
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Lauren Giles
Clinical Social Work/Therapist
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
I’m glad that you are taking the first step on your path to finding the right therapist. It’s important to find a genuine connection so you can make lasting changes. You don’t have to do this alone. I am here to help when you’re feeling stuck and in need of someone who has expertise and can help.
I’m glad that you are taking the first step on your path to finding the right therapist. It’s important to find a genuine connection so you can make lasting changes. You don’t have to do this alone. I am here to help when you’re feeling stuck and in need of someone who has expertise and can help.
(224) 204-0469 View (224) 204-0469
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Neli Cohen
Psychologist, BS, MA, PsyD
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
The current healthcare industry has failed many people living with chronic physical and mental health diseases. People are faced with a large push for psychiatric medication, misdiagnosis, and a one-dimensional approach to treatment. It is time for a more holistic, whole-body solution to people’s health. This is the pledge that Nelmar Health Centers have made. No matter what you are struggling with, Nelmar Health Centers can help you live a happier and healthier life. We offer comprehensive diagnostic measures, counseling, Neurotherapy, cognitive rehabilitation, dietary and herb management, yoga, and meditation under one roof.
The current healthcare industry has failed many people living with chronic physical and mental health diseases. People are faced with a large push for psychiatric medication, misdiagnosis, and a one-dimensional approach to treatment. It is time for a more holistic, whole-body solution to people’s health. This is the pledge that Nelmar Health Centers have made. No matter what you are struggling with, Nelmar Health Centers can help you live a happier and healthier life. We offer comprehensive diagnostic measures, counseling, Neurotherapy, cognitive rehabilitation, dietary and herb management, yoga, and meditation under one roof.
(224) 970-2476 View (224) 970-2476
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Martine Gorstein
Psychologist, PsyD
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
I am a licensed clinical psychologist with over 18 years of experience. I work with children, adolescents, adults, couples and families who are struggling with a wide range of issues. I work towards providing an atmosphere of comfort and trust where individuals feel safe exploring their thoughts and feelings and understanding their difficulties. I believe there is no "one size fits all" form of therapy and I utilize various interventions to fit my clients needs and circumstances. I work collaboratively with my clients utilizing a variety of therapeutic modalities. I am described as warm, engaging, caring, accepting and insightful.
I am a licensed clinical psychologist with over 18 years of experience. I work with children, adolescents, adults, couples and families who are struggling with a wide range of issues. I work towards providing an atmosphere of comfort and trust where individuals feel safe exploring their thoughts and feelings and understanding their difficulties. I believe there is no "one size fits all" form of therapy and I utilize various interventions to fit my clients needs and circumstances. I work collaboratively with my clients utilizing a variety of therapeutic modalities. I am described as warm, engaging, caring, accepting and insightful.
(847) 564-1800 x4 View (847) 564-1800 x4
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Sara Riggle
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSSW, LSW
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Northbrook, IL 60062
Life has a way of presenting us with a multitude of challenges that can leave you feeling stuck. These struggles can manifest in various ways, making each day feel like a never-ending battle. Perhaps you find yourself constantly grappling with the weight of stress or are feeling weighed down by past traumas. Maybe you're wrestling with anxiety, those persistent worries that never seem to quiet down. Or you might be experiencing the looming cloud of depression, making it difficult to find joy in even the simplest of moments. The most important thing to remember is that you don't have to navigate these challenges alone.
Life has a way of presenting us with a multitude of challenges that can leave you feeling stuck. These struggles can manifest in various ways, making each day feel like a never-ending battle. Perhaps you find yourself constantly grappling with the weight of stress or are feeling weighed down by past traumas. Maybe you're wrestling with anxiety, those persistent worries that never seem to quiet down. Or you might be experiencing the looming cloud of depression, making it difficult to find joy in even the simplest of moments. The most important thing to remember is that you don't have to navigate these challenges alone.
(847) 503-9561 x1 View (847) 503-9561 x1
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Casey N Foreman
Psychologist, PsyD, MPH
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
I am a licensed clinical psychologist, working with adolescents, adults and couples who are struggling with a wide range of issues. I work towards providing an environment of comfort and support where individuals feel safe working to understand their thoughts, behaviors and difficulties. I utilize various interventions to fit my clients needs and circumstances, but often use a cognitive-behavioral and solution focused approach. I work hard to focus treatment on the specific needs of the client and provide the tools, coping skills and support they are seeking.
I am a licensed clinical psychologist, working with adolescents, adults and couples who are struggling with a wide range of issues. I work towards providing an environment of comfort and support where individuals feel safe working to understand their thoughts, behaviors and difficulties. I utilize various interventions to fit my clients needs and circumstances, but often use a cognitive-behavioral and solution focused approach. I work hard to focus treatment on the specific needs of the client and provide the tools, coping skills and support they are seeking.
(224) 479-1329 View (224) 479-1329
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Sylvia Davidson
Psychologist, PsyD, LCP
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
Not accepting new clients
I believe everyone is capable of building a life they love. Finding freedom often requires us to slow down and take a look at our behaviors, thoughts, and emotions and learn how to interact with them differently so we can create a better and more purposeful life. More often than not, we just haven't learned the skills needed. I utilize evidence-based treatments in combination with warmth, compassion, and humor to help take a look at the patterns that are keeping you stuck and help develop tools to respond differently so you can build a life you don't want to escape from.
I believe everyone is capable of building a life they love. Finding freedom often requires us to slow down and take a look at our behaviors, thoughts, and emotions and learn how to interact with them differently so we can create a better and more purposeful life. More often than not, we just haven't learned the skills needed. I utilize evidence-based treatments in combination with warmth, compassion, and humor to help take a look at the patterns that are keeping you stuck and help develop tools to respond differently so you can build a life you don't want to escape from.
(847) 906-2613 View (847) 906-2613
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Julie Novak
Psychologist, PsyD
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
"Courage doesn't always roar, sometimes it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying I will try again tomorrow." Are you feeling down, overwhelmed by stress and worry? Do you find that you are constantly thinking about the "what ifs" in life? What if I wasn't always so anxious and worried? Do you feel like your goals are out of your reach? Reaching out for helps takes great strength and I invite you to take the courageous first step in your journey to achieve greater happiness and balance in your life. There is hope and you deserve to feel better.
"Courage doesn't always roar, sometimes it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying I will try again tomorrow." Are you feeling down, overwhelmed by stress and worry? Do you find that you are constantly thinking about the "what ifs" in life? What if I wasn't always so anxious and worried? Do you feel like your goals are out of your reach? Reaching out for helps takes great strength and I invite you to take the courageous first step in your journey to achieve greater happiness and balance in your life. There is hope and you deserve to feel better.
(224) 269-7790 View (224) 269-7790
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Bailey Benes
Pre-Licensed Professional, MEd, LPC
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
I am particularly specialized in supporting individuals with concerns around women’s issues, body image, self-concept, anxiety, and depression. I also have a strong passion for supporting teens and those in their 20s in navigating such formational and transitional years. Believing that we are each intricately and wonderfully made, I truly desire for clients to feel deeply seen and known in our work together.
I am particularly specialized in supporting individuals with concerns around women’s issues, body image, self-concept, anxiety, and depression. I also have a strong passion for supporting teens and those in their 20s in navigating such formational and transitional years. Believing that we are each intricately and wonderfully made, I truly desire for clients to feel deeply seen and known in our work together.
(847) 393-9628 View (847) 393-9628
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Kari Holman
Counselor, LCPC, NCC, CCTP-II
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Northbrook, IL 60062
Accepting New Clients - I firmly believe in individualized, custom care for each of my clients. Just as “one size fits all” clothing never really fits anybody there is no “no size fits all” therapy in my practice. If you are going to put your time and trust in me then the least I can do is provide customized, evidence-based care. I honor the belief that each client is an expert on him, her, or themselves. My clients are equal partners in their care. In addition to this, clients also seem to enjoy my laid-back and caring approach.
Accepting New Clients - I firmly believe in individualized, custom care for each of my clients. Just as “one size fits all” clothing never really fits anybody there is no “no size fits all” therapy in my practice. If you are going to put your time and trust in me then the least I can do is provide customized, evidence-based care. I honor the belief that each client is an expert on him, her, or themselves. My clients are equal partners in their care. In addition to this, clients also seem to enjoy my laid-back and caring approach.
(224) 505-4934 View (224) 505-4934
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Grover Hollway
Licensed Professional Counselor
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
I am thrilled to work with adults and adolescents 14+ (in particular adults 40+) who are looking to improve their mental health by building deep understanding of their holistic wellbeing. My ideal clients look into their past with me and explore the events that made them who they are in the present. They thrive in a relaxed and unstructured environment and welcome the non-linear progress of therapy. I love clients who are trying therapy for the first time or have had poor experiences with prior therapists. For adolescents, I offer the same client-driven work, mirroring the process of adult therapy.
I am thrilled to work with adults and adolescents 14+ (in particular adults 40+) who are looking to improve their mental health by building deep understanding of their holistic wellbeing. My ideal clients look into their past with me and explore the events that made them who they are in the present. They thrive in a relaxed and unstructured environment and welcome the non-linear progress of therapy. I love clients who are trying therapy for the first time or have had poor experiences with prior therapists. For adolescents, I offer the same client-driven work, mirroring the process of adult therapy.
(847) 581-6072 View (847) 581-6072
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Burton Foster Krain
Psychologist, MS, PhD
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Northbrook, IL 60062  (Online Only)
I have been in private practice for 40+ years, having earned my Masters and Doctorate from Illinois Institute of Technology and my clinical license from the State of Illinois in 1973. Having been in active practice for this long, I have had the privilege of studying under some of the most significant figures in psychology in the Midwest. Gaining feedback from clients over the years on their outcomes allowed me to hone my skills as a diagnostician and clinician. Applying this knowledge and learning from the outcomes has allowed me to increase my success rate with my patients. I utilize an eclectic approach to therapies and treatment
I have been in private practice for 40+ years, having earned my Masters and Doctorate from Illinois Institute of Technology and my clinical license from the State of Illinois in 1973. Having been in active practice for this long, I have had the privilege of studying under some of the most significant figures in psychology in the Midwest. Gaining feedback from clients over the years on their outcomes allowed me to hone my skills as a diagnostician and clinician. Applying this knowledge and learning from the outcomes has allowed me to increase my success rate with my patients. I utilize an eclectic approach to therapies and treatment
(224) 534-6198 View (224) 534-6198
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Laura Gradman
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCPC
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
I work with children, adolescents, adults and families on the north shore of Chicago. I specialize in supporting people dealing with anxiety, depression, social issues, low self-esteem, life transitions and complex family systems. I have experience working with both individuals and families and have particular expertise in understanding family dynamics. My approach is eclectic, with a psychodynamic focus. Throughout my professional life, I've worked privately, clinically and in schools, most recently at Erikson Institute in Chicago.
I work with children, adolescents, adults and families on the north shore of Chicago. I specialize in supporting people dealing with anxiety, depression, social issues, low self-esteem, life transitions and complex family systems. I have experience working with both individuals and families and have particular expertise in understanding family dynamics. My approach is eclectic, with a psychodynamic focus. Throughout my professional life, I've worked privately, clinically and in schools, most recently at Erikson Institute in Chicago.
(224) 412-3252 View (224) 412-3252
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Sara R. Bartus
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MA, MSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
I specialize in helping children, adolescents, and adults affected by anxiety disorders, depression, autism spectrum disorder (ASD), executive functioning challenges, behavioral challenges and social skills challenges. I also work with couples and families working on relationship challenges and with individuals who want to focus on parenting.
I specialize in helping children, adolescents, and adults affected by anxiety disorders, depression, autism spectrum disorder (ASD), executive functioning challenges, behavioral challenges and social skills challenges. I also work with couples and families working on relationship challenges and with individuals who want to focus on parenting.
(847) 693-3862 View (847) 693-3862
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Carly Walder
Psychologist, PsyD
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
I am a licensed clinical psychologist with 10 plus years of experience providing psychotherapy to children and adolescents, in addition to providing parent support services and facilitating child and adolescent group therapy. Throughout my trainings and clinical practice, I have worked with individuals from diverse backgrounds who have presented with a variety of struggles and challenges. Various settings that I have trained and worked in include a private practice, a therapeutic day school, and various social service agencies, including one specializing in Autism Spectrum Disorder.
I am a licensed clinical psychologist with 10 plus years of experience providing psychotherapy to children and adolescents, in addition to providing parent support services and facilitating child and adolescent group therapy. Throughout my trainings and clinical practice, I have worked with individuals from diverse backgrounds who have presented with a variety of struggles and challenges. Various settings that I have trained and worked in include a private practice, a therapeutic day school, and various social service agencies, including one specializing in Autism Spectrum Disorder.
(847) 499-2722 View (847) 499-2722
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Zachary Koszyk
Counselor, MA, LCPC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Northbrook, IL 60062
Waitlist for new clients
I honor the opportunity and privilege it is to accompany clients, witness their stories, and support them on their healing and recovery journey. I strive to provide compassionate, grounded, connected, and caring therapy services. I enjoy working with clients who are looking to address their opportunities for growth, and who are eager to connect more with themselves and with others.
I honor the opportunity and privilege it is to accompany clients, witness their stories, and support them on their healing and recovery journey. I strive to provide compassionate, grounded, connected, and caring therapy services. I enjoy working with clients who are looking to address their opportunities for growth, and who are eager to connect more with themselves and with others.
(847) 558-6789 x919 View (847) 558-6789 x919
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Caryn Barkin
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
In my 11 years as a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, I have experience working with clients of all ages and enjoy helping others through struggles impacting their everyday lives. I provide both counseling and consultation to help alleviate the difficulties families experience by using psychodynamic, strengths-based, and cognitive behavioral approaches. I have extensive training in Child-Parent Psychotherapy, which enables me to use play therapy and narration with young children to help relieve child behaviors that negatively impact the family. This approach also helps parents cope with the stressful demands of parenthood.
In my 11 years as a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, I have experience working with clients of all ages and enjoy helping others through struggles impacting their everyday lives. I provide both counseling and consultation to help alleviate the difficulties families experience by using psychodynamic, strengths-based, and cognitive behavioral approaches. I have extensive training in Child-Parent Psychotherapy, which enables me to use play therapy and narration with young children to help relieve child behaviors that negatively impact the family. This approach also helps parents cope with the stressful demands of parenthood.
(224) 808-4881 View (224) 808-4881
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Deanna Ned Youngberg
Psychologist, PsyD
Verified Verified
Northbrook, IL 60062
Dr. Ned believes in supporting each individual with data driven information about themselves. The more information a person has about how they function within their environments, the more they know about who they are, and the more comprehensive their treatment will be. Dr. Ned believes that each person has unique strengths that can be fostered while simultaneously supporting areas of growth. Dr. Ned utilizes Dialectical Behavior Therapy and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy in individual therapy work.
Dr. Ned believes in supporting each individual with data driven information about themselves. The more information a person has about how they function within their environments, the more they know about who they are, and the more comprehensive their treatment will be. Dr. Ned believes that each person has unique strengths that can be fostered while simultaneously supporting areas of growth. Dr. Ned utilizes Dialectical Behavior Therapy and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy in individual therapy work.
(224) 328-1827 View (224) 328-1827
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Number of Therapists in 60062

500+

Average cost per session

$175

Therapists in 60062 who prioritize treating:

95% Anxiety
91% Depression
84% Relationship Issues
77% Self Esteem
70% Coping Skills
68% Stress
64% Family Conflict

Average years in practice

13 Years

Top 3 insurances accepted

96% BlueCross and BlueShield
48% Aetna
37% UnitedHealthcare UHC | UBH

How Therapists in 60062 see their clients

84% In Person and Online
16% Online Only

Gender breakdown

80% Female
19% Male
1% Non-Binary
FAQs - About Therapy and Counseling

How can I find a therapist in 60062?

Search for nearby therapists or counselors by inputting your city, town, or suburb; or zip code; or a provider’s name into the search bar. From there, you can filter providers by the issues they treat, cost, insurance, gender, and other factors to find providers who are well-suited to your needs. To navigate between locations within the same country, enter a new city or zip code into the search bar.

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Is everyone in the Psychology Today Therapy Directory a licensed therapist?

The Psychology Today directory lists providers who offer legitimate mental health services to the public, including psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers, and counselors.

Many have been licensed by the country or state where they practice; providers whose license or primary credential has been verified by Psychology Today are signified by a “Verified” symbol. Some clinicians or organizations provide services for which their state or country does not offer licenses, such as pastoral counseling. They may be selectively included without the “Verified” seal.

What’s the difference between a psychologist, a therapist, and a counselor?

Therapists, psychologists, and counselors are all licensed mental health professionals. In the US, psychologists have earned a doctoral degree. The terms “therapist” and “counselor” are used somewhat interchangeably, but generally therapists offer longer-term, mental health care, while counselors offer shorter-term care that may focus on one domain, such as marriage, career, or academic challenges.

Clients should consider factors such as insurance coverage and their primary reason(s) for seeking therapy to determine the type of professional best suited to their needs. Someone struggling with mental health challenges such as depression or anxiety, for example, may wish to seek out a clinical psychologist or therapist, while someone navigating career obstacles or marital upheaval may benefit from seeing a counselor who can offer short-term, targeted support.

What type of therapy is right for me?

The type of therapy best suited to a particular individual depends on several factors, including their primary reason for seeking therapy, their preferred timeline (some therapy types last for a set number of sessions, while others are open-ended), and their personality and preferences—some may prefer a more structured approach. For many individuals, multiple types of therapy could provide a good fit.

How much does therapy cost?

The cost of therapy depends on a number of variables, including location and the therapist’s experience and training. On average, a therapy session in the United States could cost between $100 and $200 or more. If you have insurance, the expense of mental health care is typically lower, but it varies based on your insurance plan details and whether you choose an in-network or out-of-network mental healthcare provider.

What are more affordable or low cost therapy solutions?

Many therapists offer sliding scale payments, usually on a limited number of slots, which consists in an agreement between the therapist and a client to pay a reduced rate. Therapists who provide such arrangements often consider the client's income or ability to pay, but the extent of the discount is ultimately at the therapist's discretion. Furthermore, while group therapy may have different goals and benefits compared to individual therapy, it can be a more affordable solution to address certain types of issues.

Is online therapy cheaper than in-person therapy?

Many therapists charge the same amount for online therapy as they do for in-person therapy—though clients may still find this cost-effective if it cuts down on their transportation costs. Health insurance plans often offer equivalent coverage for online and in-person therapy; indeed, in many places, they are legally required to do so. Text-based or on-demand therapy apps may be cheaper than traditional one-on-one psychotherapy; however, the practice may be less effective and is not likely to be covered by insurance.

Is online therapy a good option?

Therapy conducted online can be just as effective as in-person therapy, as long as there is a strong alliance between the client and the therapist. To find a therapist who provides telehealth services to clients in your area, click “Online Therapy” on the directory homepage and search by your city or town or your zip code.

Are therapy sessions confidential?

Confidentiality is a crucial part of the therapeutic relationship. Therapists in the United States are bound by the regulations set out by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), which aims to protect sensitive health information. With very few exceptions, a therapist will only discuss their client with others when the client has given their written permission. The instances in which a therapist would be required to disclose personal information are: if a client poses a danger to themselves or others, if the therapist suspects the abuse of a child or an elderly or otherwise dependent adult, or if they are legally forced to by court order. These exceptions to the confidentiality agreement are usually discussed with a client before their first session.