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    Technical Bulletin #116

    Transmission: 4 Spd Automatic


    Subject: Noise
    Application: Honda, Acura, Sterling
    Issue Date: June, 1992

    4 Spd Automatic
    Noise
    To fix a Honda that grinds in Reverse and/or out of reverse you first need to understand how it works. The
    normal position (i.e. park, neutral, drive, 3rd and 2nd) of the reverse/4th gear set is shown in the figure below.
    When the manual control valve is moved to the reverse position, oil charges the bottom of the reverse servo
    including port E located on the servo. As the servo moves up, port C & B will be connected.

    At this point, the reverse gear selector will be engaged to the reverse gear and the reverse servo oil can now flow
    out port B to apply the 4th clutch. When the manual control valve is moved out of reverse, pressure at port D
    will move the servo down to engage the 4th gear. As the servo approaches the gear position 4th clutch oil will
    exhaust thru port A.

    The grinding occurs when the reverse gear selector is between the two gears. During this time the gear set is
    momentarily in neutral. If the gears start turning, you’ll get a grind.

    NEVER shift a Honda into or out of Reverse while the car is moving.

    NOTE: Keep in mind,


    all Hondas with this type
    of gear set will clunk
    going into and out of
    reverse.

    Copyright © 2003 ATRA. All Rights Reserved. ! Page 1 of 4


    Technical Bulletin #116
    THINGS TO CHECK BEFORE A REBUILD

    LINE PRESSURE
    Low line pressure will slow the rate that the servo will move. The longer it takes to move the shift fork from one
    range to another, the greater the opportunity for the gears to grind. Check Bulletin #090 for pressure specs.

    WHAT TYPE OF OIL IS IN THE TRANSAXLE?


    See if the transaxle has been serviced recently. Some oils like type "F" can cause the 4th clutch to drag. Honda
    oil works best.

    CHECK TO MAKE SURE THE MAINSHAFT AND COUNTER SHAFT AREN’T BENT.
    If you can get the end cover off, rotate the two shafts and make sure they’re not bent. This can cause a mechani-
    cal bind.

    THINGS TO CHECK DURING A REBUILD

    1. CHECK THE REVERSE/4TH GEAR SET FOR WORN TEETH


    Worn teeth on these parts are not normally the cause of the noise but the result of these gears grinding. It is
    important for the smooth operation of this transaxle that these parts not be worn. If they are worn replace the
    gear set.

    ! Page 2 of 4 Copyright © 2003 ATRA. All Rights Reserved.


    Technical Bulletin #116
    2. 4TH CLUTCH CLEARANCE
    A tight 4th clutch pak will cause excessive drag. The clearance in the 4th clutch should be .016" - .024"on all
    models except AK: .016" - .028" and AS: .016" - .023" It may be to your advantage to favor clearances to the
    loose end or specs.

    3. FRICTION MATERIAL
    The type of friction material used will influence how the 4th clutch releases out of reverse. If the clutch doesn’t
    break loose or if it drags, the transaxle will grind. Always use top quality frictions. When in doubt, use factory
    frictions. It is important to check the clutch plates for flatness.

    4. CHECK THE 4TH/REVERSE HUB CLEARANCE


    Assemble the mainshaft (including the case bearing) and tighten the nut to 25lb. ft. The Reverse/4th hub should
    have .003" - .006" endplay. If you don’t have any clearance, you have a misassembly or a worn Reverse/4th
    bearing collar.

    NOTE: The Reverse/4th bearing collar is the part that the needle bearing rides on.

    Copyright © 2003 ATRA. All Rights Reserved. ! Page 3 of 4


    Technical Bulletin #116
    5. SERVO SHAFT & BORE
    Make sure the servo shaft and bore are not scored. A damaged shaft of bore can bind the servo. The servo must
    be allowed to move quickly from one gear to another.

    6. SERVO SHAFT BOLT


    Make sure the servo has a shouldered bolt. Using a shouldered bolt on the servo will prevent you from bolting
    the servo shaft in backwards. Bolting the servo in backwards will restrict port "A" (Page 1) which is the 4th
    clutch exhaust out of reverse.

    7. MAKE SURE THE SERVO CONTROL VALVE ISN’T STUCK


    Some models have a servo control valve. This valve controls the rate of the servo apply & release.

    NOTE: Models without a servo control valve use an orificing checkball.

    8. SERVO RELEASE CHECKBALL


    Make sure this checkball does not leak.If it does, the servo will not release fast enough. (See the illustration on
    Page 1) This will cause a grinding noise when you shift out of reverse.

    9. 1st CLUTCH FEED PIPE BUSHING


    Noise from Drive to Reverse can be caused by a worn 1st clutch feed pipe bushing. If this is so, there will be a
    small amount of oil pressure at the 4th gear tap in drive. (Check it with the wheels stationary.) This may also
    cause 4th clutch failure.

    ! Page 4 of 4 Copyright © 2003 ATRA. All Rights Reserved.

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