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Magnesia - An Ancient Haven of Equality
Magnesia - An Ancient Haven of Equality
Owen Leroux
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The philosophers of ancient Greece were amongst the first scholars to leave
behind writings on many socio-political topics of discourse that we tend to take for
granted or ignore today, and some of their stances on certain issues, while respected from
Plato is one of those scholars, perhaps the most known apart from Socrates and Aristotle.
Plato is renowned for being one of the earliest political philosophers, some of the ideas he
laid out in The Republic and Laws are still used, albeit in modified form, by governments
today, and his teachings are widely disseminated in universities and often used as a point
of reference in scholarly works. However, one area in which Plato followed the lead of
his mentor, Socrates, and his student, Aristotle, was in the attitudes he had towards
women. Modern scholars, especially feminist and liberal ones, see his views as
backwards and his position of not allowing women to take active part in the economic
process have been criticized as sexist. However, if one more closely examines his works,
and specifically the portion of Laws wherein he describes his “idealized” Greek polity of
Magnesia, a fairly strong argument could be made that Plato was not as sexist as certain
of his contemporaries and did allow women to have an important role in society, although
This paper will attempt to support that claim, directly using Plato’s writings as
well as that of contemporaries such as Aristotle and reaction pieces written by modern
scholars. A broad research question for this paper would be: What societal role were
women in fact allocated in the idealized state of Magnesia? and a thesis statement
constructed in response could be Plato believed, unlike certain other philosophers, that
women had an important if sometimes secondary role to play in society if not economics,
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and although modern thinkers could truthfully describe him as sexist by modern
standards, he was in fact quite progressive and understanding for his time.
To begin with, and indeed to try and demonstrate this paper’s main thesis
statement right off the bat, the works of Plato himself will be directly examined in an
attempt to find out exactly what the great thinker had to say about women directly. Plato’s
most renowned writings such as the Laws and The Republic, concern themselves with
idealized polities, Greek city-states as Plato thought they should be. The Republic
concerns itself with an idealized system of government for the city of Athens, while The
Laws establish an entirely fictional city-state, named Magnesia, that Plato considered to
encouraged, but at the same time tightly supervised and controlled by a class of elite
citizens that Plato describes as “Guardians of the Laws”2 , an educated and wealthy
upper-class to act as sorts of shepherds for their less educated or more destitute brethren.
Right off the bat, it is made clear in The Laws that women who, seeing how
more of a public presence than in other Greek polities of the time period. In Greek
city-states such as Athens, Crete, and especially Sparta, women were, while revered for
their ability to bear children, excluded not only from political processes but from public
life as a whole, literally being forced to stay inside and under their husband or father’s
control barring certain special events. In Magnesia, when one reads The Laws, it becomes
obvious women would not have been an unseen lower class; Plato explicitly writes that
1
Plato. The Laws. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2013. p.218.
2
Plato. The Laws. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2013. p.204.
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they would be allowed to serve in the military and host common meals with other
women3. These are two undeniably public activities, and ones usually heavily restricted
to Greek men serving on the front lines, as it was throughout most ancient societies, was
seen as a masculine pursuit, while the right to meet with others was indicative of high
social status. Women’s access to these roles in Magnesia is explained by the fact that,
unlike in city-states like Athens where women, while not enslaved, were not really
defined as legal persons under the law, Magnesia, in Plato’s mind and writings, would
progressive to a modern audience, but when one considers the historical context of
ancient Greece, where most of the inhabitants of any given city-state would not actually
posses citizen status – women, slaves, free non-citizens, and foreigners far outnumbered
them. This was due to elitist criteria that awarded citizenship only to free males who
owned property. As such, when comparing his views to the official line in his native
Athens, Plato already comes across as far more tolerant to women. And the granting of
citizenship status was not the only improvement in women’s rights that he would have
occasions throughout the text, that women would in fact be allowed to hold political
office in Magnesia, by virtue of their rights as full citizens5 . Elected positions being
limited to citizens was the norm throughout most of Ancient Greece, but as already
mentioned, women were almost universally excluded from that class. It was furthermore
thought they lacked certain qualities such as intelligence or leadership, making them a
3
Plato. The Laws. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2013. p.237
4
Plato. The Laws. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2013. p.237
5
Plato. The Laws. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2013. p.277
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liability as officeholders. It is therefore amazingly progressive that Plato, who was born
and raised in such a repressive climate - and who, as will be elaborated in more detail
later in this paper, associated with thinkers who did have misogynistic beliefs, would
think nothing of allowing them to access political office. And this was not restricted to
lower offices, either women of suitable education and status were to be included amongst
the higher ‘Guardian’ class and would have a say in important decisions6 .
It is true that Plato, in The Laws, does mention that women, despite being
citizens, would be barred from owning private property and have limited participation in
the economic side of things7, but this was not a blanket ban owing merely to gender
prejudice. Plato thought that private property as a whole should be limited and most of it
held in trust by the upper classes, which, coincidentally, included women, who as
members of the military and political system were ‘Guardians’.This meant that while
women could not on their own make purchases, or own land or a house, those women
who did achieve political office would have some degree of control over all property in
limit would not have prevented Magnesian women from accessing a very rare commodity
for their gender in Ancient Greece: Education, which would be freely given to all citizens
regardless of socioeconomic status8. This was in sharp contrast to Athens, where women
received only the barest religious education and the sciences and philosophy were
After reviewing the multiple examples above, it does become quite clear that,
although there were still some relatively slight restrictions imposed on women in Plato’s
6
Plato. The Laws. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2013. p.218
7
Plato. The Laws. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2013. p.358
8
Plato. The Laws. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2013. p.267
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idealized city-state of Magnesia, he was indeed quite progressive for both his time and
the sociopolitical climate he lived in. The biggest difference from other Greek city-states
in this case being the granting of full citizenship to women, which, in a kind of snowball
effect, resulted in them being given access to political office, community activities (even
typically male-restricted ones like military service), and a standard of education that was
ahead of the reality in most Greek city-states. Even the limit on property rights had
inconsequential.
Moving on, now that the role of women in Plato’s idealized society of Magnesia
assumed in popular thinking, it also becomes necessary to compare him to certain of his
contemporaries. This is done in order to see if Plato’s concepts of woman in society are
an outlier, or if the overall attitude at the time resembled his. Many philosophers left their
thoughts on women and their place in society, but perhaps one of the most important
ones, apart from Plato, would be his student, another one of the great Socratic
philosophers: Aristotle.
society. A famous quote of his is often paraphrased as describing women being like
“Males with mutilated souls”9, implying that they were somehow incomplete as humans
9
“Aristotle” Goodreads.com,2021,
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/376502-the-female-is-as-it-were-a-mutilated-male-and
(On the Generation of Animals/Book II)
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and not of equal standing with, or deserving of the same rights, as men. This was far from
backwards social attitudes directed at women in overall society, but it was also among
philosophers’ circles that such views prevailed. This view of Aristotle’s was not brought
his rhetoric, he mentions that society cannot be happy unless women are also happy, but
that they are as a whole more compassionate, irrational, and misguided than men10,
thereby justifying their exclusion from civil society both for their own good and on the
not by right of pure biological gender but because he believed men possessed far more
virtue, intelligence, and strength of character than women, and that such traits were
indispensable in a good political leader. In his Nicomachean ethics, Aristotle wrote that
such a political framework should also be transplanted even in private homes with full
primacy of the man over the woman, although he justifies this by stating that the sexes
needed to make it run smoothly11. He came up with the paradigm of the good wife to
reinforce this idea, writing in his economics that the ideal woman should strive to earn
the devotion, trust, and loyalty of her husband in order for him to remain morally pure
and not to stray into infidelity, putting the onus of this on the woman and not on the
man’s own virtue12. He does, however, state that a husband must also demonstrate his
10
Aristotle, Rhetoric. New York: Cosimo Inc., 2010. p.18
11
Edith Hall “Citizens but Second Class: Women in Aristotle’s Politics” in Patriarchal Moments:
Reading Patriarchal Texts, ed. Cesare Cuttica, ed. Gaby Mahlberg, (London: Bloomsbury,2016),
p.41
12
Scott Meikle, Aristotle’s Economic Thoughts New York:Clarendon Press, 1995. p.44
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aptitudes as a protector and provider to inspire said loyalty, but this also reinforces a
repressive gender norm, because the man remains the active participant and the woman
merely a recipient, Aristotle summed this up in a quote often paraphrased like this :
second class role for women. Taking a more analytical approach, this paper suggests that
particular quirk of Plato’s. The prevailing attitude remained one of exclusion and
restriction of civil rights, usually with some philosophical justification. The famous
Athenian lawmaker Solon, for example, was a pioneer in civil law and codified several
institutions relating to marriage. Most of these gave power and prominence to the
husband and not the wife. For example, although a husband was forbidden to be
unfaithful, he could freely divorce his wife anytime he wished, while she did not have
a woman is “given by her father or brother or grandfather”15 to another man, and not an
institution of mutual choice. This does demonstrate that even a thinker who was widely
praised for having liberalized Athenian law and provided for civil rights had an attitude
which relegated women to little more than property or a social commodity to be shared
by men.
13
Aristotle, Politics. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2013. p.127
14
Susan Lape, "Solon and the Institution of the "Democratic" Family Form." The Classical
Journal 98, no. 2 (2002): 117-39. Accessed April 13, 2021. http://www.jstor.org/stable/3298017.
p.121
15
Susan Lape, "Solon and the Institution of the "Democratic" Family Form." The Classical
Journal 98, no. 2 (2002): 117-39. Accessed April 13, 2021. http://www.jstor.org/stable/3298017.
p.122
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After comparing Plato to his contemporaries such as Aristotle and Solon, it does
become clear that although by no means completely inclusive, Plato certainly had a far
more nuanced and even positive at times, opinion of women, and their capabilities, than
many of his fellows even ones he had direct contact and a mentor-student relationship
with. Where others concerned themselves mostly with imagined masculine virtue or with
the potential for chaos should women be granted power or greater access to civil society,
Plato recognized their intelligence and worth as citizens. He clearly was an outlier in this
regard because, as was previously mentioned, even other thinkers would have probably
remarked on the peculiarity of his views towards women. It is uncertain why exactly his
views diverged so much from the majority and from his learned contemporaries, but it
does seem that his greater overall focus on society rather than the individual led Plato to a
better understanding of social interaction and civil rights. He certainly was not
completely free of prejudices, but he overall seemed to not make any judgements on
women as individually flawed beings or as a social group overall. In short, a very far cry
incomplete if the work of modern scholars on the issue, who have had over a millennium
since Plato’s time to examine gender constructs and similar concepts in society, was to be
ignored. Therefore, this paper shall now take a look at a few articles and other pieces of
scholarly work, published in modern times, that analyze Plato’s social ideology through
The first piece that will be reviewed in order to examine the modern perspective
on Plato’s gender ideals was written by scholar David Cohen and published in the Revue
Internationale des Droits de L’Antiquité, titled “The Legal Status and Political role of
Women in Plato’s Laws''. For a modern piece, it presents a relatively optimistic appraisal
exclusion from political life”16 that women faced in Ancient Greece, that Plato’s model
for Magnesia was one of the more forward-thinking of the time. Cohen furthermore states
that Plato considered it “folly” that men and women not be trained to equal standards in
both physical and mental fields, and that his thinking could have been seen as
never actually put into practice in Athens, and that his ideas could be considered mildly
liberalizing today at best, because they were more focused on the good of the state then
Another piece written in modern times that concerns itself with a gender analysis
of Plato’s Laws, and one that does present a contrary opinion, was written by feminist
scholar Susan Okin in 1977. Entitled “Philosopher Queens and Private Lives: Plato on
women and the family”, it argues that while Plato’s overall attitude could be considered
as more tolerant and less misogynistic than his contemporaries, in fact the policies he
imagines in Laws would actually result in more traditional roles being enforced in
Magnesia when compared to his Republic. This is because, Okin states, the one
restriction that would be imposed in Plato’s vision, the ban on private property would
16
David Cohen, “The Legal Status and Political Role of Women in Plato’s Laws.” Revue
Internationale des Droits de l’Antiquité, 34 (1987): p.29
17
David Cohen, “The Legal Status and Political Role of Women in Plato’s Laws.” Revue
Internationale des Droits de l’Antiquité, 34 (1987): p.35
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force women to act more as caregivers and maternal figures than economically
independent individuals18. The piece does not directly criticize Plato, allowing that his
wishes for women to access education and political power were progressive, but does
state that the vision put forth in Laws is incomplete and does not hold up to modern
A third and final piece written by modern scholars on the topic of gender issues in
Plato’s Laws is a chapter in the book “The City and the Stage: Performance, Genre, and
Gender in Plato’s Laws”. The book, by Marcus Folch, refers in general to topics of
gender dynamics and literary genre in Plato’s writings, but the chapter in question refers
to the position of women in Magnesia. Folch takes a position in between the two
women’s roles in society. However, he follows up by saying that there was a disconnect
between Plato’s philosophy and a practical implementation, pointing out the difficulties
prejudice and pre-existing laws. Folch also points out, like Okin did, the limit on private
property, stating that it meant Plato’s ideas for women were limited to an ethical and
partially political reformation, and not an economic or social one21. He remains favorable
18
Susan M. Okin, “Philosopher Queens and Private Lives: Plato on Women and the Family.”
Philosophy & Public Affairs 6 (1977): p.353
19
Susan M. Okin, “Philosopher Queens and Private Lives: Plato on Women and the Family.”
Philosophy & Public Affairs 6 (1977): p.362
20
Marcus Folch, The City and the Stage: Performance, Genre, and Gender in Plato’s Laws.
Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2016. p.253
21
Marcus Folch, The City and the Stage: Performance, Genre, and Gender in Plato’s Laws.
Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2016. p.261
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to Plato’s views, but argues that as thought experiments they cannot be held as true
reform.
All in all, it does seem clear that modern gender scholars have mixed views on the
theories Plato put forth in his Laws: while universally recognizing him as more
progressive than his contemporaries, he is also often criticized for the impracticality of
his vision and the still-existing limits he placed on women, especially in the area of
modern times, but he is still recognized for being the most forward-thinking of his
colleagues.
Over the course of the preceding paragraphs, arguments were put forward in order
Greece, Aristotle and Solon, just to name a few, Plato was not in fact sexist for the
standards of his time, but rather a relatively progressive individual. Drawing from some
of his most known works, namely and mainly The Laws, this paper attempted to
demonstrate that instead of being globally prejudiced towards women, Plato did in fact
provide them with a role in society and this even in his completely idealized city-state of
Magnesia, where they were allowed political participation and a fully visible role in
communal life. Of course, such ancient standards do not necessarily hold up to modern
scrutiny, and it was also demonstrated that being progressive for his time does not mean
that a modernized and liberalized society would consider him much of a reformer. Works
from a few different scholars in the field of feminist studies were introduced in order to
highlight the difference with modern times, which is always important to do when
analyzing the works of a scholar from a bygone era. It was demonstrated that Plato’s
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visions were ahead of their time, but still lacked substance and included a few key
limiting factors.
Still, when one takes an “all-in-all” look at the scenarios laid down by Plato in
Laws, it becomes clear that he was a far cry from his student, Aristotle, who described
women as being men with wounded souls. Perhaps socio-political realities of the time
meant Plato could not envision a more completely and truly egalitarian world, or that he
had no other writings or examples to base himself off to properly depict what we would
today call a ‘modern’ or ‘empowered’ woman. Despite this, he still managed to remain
not only respectful, but relatively forward-thinking and inclusive. It does remain
important, as always when studying thinkers of the past, to put them in perspective, and
while they should not be impervious to criticism based on modern values, it is also
important to remember that such values did not exist or existed only in altered form
during their time, and in the case of Plato, his positive contributions to academics and
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