Kindt, Edward 01a4001 02.15.2023 - Redacted
Kindt, Edward 01a4001 02.15.2023 - Redacted
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4 In the Matter of
5 EDWARD KINDT
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HEARING REPORTER: Diana M. Russell
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1 BY COMMISSIONER DEMOSTHENES:
5 A. Edward Kindt.
10 Mitchell.
12 BY COMMISSIONER DEMOSTHENES:
14 correct?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. I believe --
19 time, correct?
20 A. Yes, ma'am.
23 A. Yes, ma'am.
3 area and the victim was jogging with her two dogs. You
4 forced the victim into the woods and the use of violent
6 The victim was then permitted to dress and then the two
10 sir?
3 A. No.
6 and I --
13 your words?
14 A. Yes.
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10 Q. Okay.
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12 Is that all in
14 A. Yes.
17 her buttocks and she tried to scream. You put your hand
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Okay.
21 A. And I told her that, you know -- that I escorted her off
2 remember she was asking me, you know, what I want and
3 what is going on, and I told her, you know, I just wanted
8 the store over here, you know, I can get a condom, and I
9 was like, no, no, I don't want to, we don't need that or
10 whatever. And she was telling me, you know -- she told
12 remember her saying, and I told her she was lying, and I
14 guess once she seen she couldn't get rid of me, I knew in
15 her mind she was like, let me just get this over with me
4 thing. You say the same thing over and over again. She
8 A. So, yes, she is talking with me, and you know, here I am,
11 like, what is this little kid, you know, this kid, you
12 know.
19 you will?
23 Q. Did you grab her at any time? Did you -- was there any
1 know, I had her arm and I was like, let's go off over
2 here, and you know, we went off, and you knew. I didn't
19 Q. Well, some young man, around that time, you know, she is
20 trying to figure out what you are all about, you know, if
23 this is not worth it, you know, let me just move on,
4 Q. Well --
6 this lady, you know. That was my intent, and you know, I
9 that part, the sexual part, you talked about it. So what
10 have you -- by the time that you know you are doing the
12 A. Yes.
14 anything?
15 A. No. She was just actually trying to, you know, get it
19 Q. Did you?
2 A. Maybe 15 or 20 minutes.
3 Q. Okay. And you had sex before, correct? You had sex in
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8 Q. Okay.
9 A. It was just --
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21 Q. None at all?
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8 there for a minute and she was asking me what did -- what
21 Q. Okay.
25 block the air and pass out, and so, I tried that. I
2 and I could just run and get away, but it just -- that
5 you hit them once or twice, and they pass out. It is not
8 thinking, you know, that will pass her out and make
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20 Q. Okay.
5 going to pass out for a few minutes, like the movie, but
7 being?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. How about then running away? You never met her, correct?
11 you know, 15 years old, you could have just run away?
12 A. Yes.
14 around somewhere and she had the leash. She still had
15 the leash?
17 Q. You had plenty of time to run away. The woman would have
18 gone home, you know. Who knows if you would have gotten
25 up the leash, and you know, put it around her neck and
3 was never to, you know, take her life, but when you are
7 that happened.
12 Q. And run?
14 couldn't see which way I went, and you know, my mind, you
18 of me, and you know, you don't -- your mind ain't working
8 A. Huh?
9 Q. Was she moving? Did she make any movements; was she
10 thrashing around, you know, did she try to speak, was she
11 mumbling?
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24 A. Huh?
25 Q. The dogs, did you see the dogs prior to you leaving? Did
9 job and she gave me a ride. I went back uptown where she
13 A. Yes.
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20 Q. Did you think about the human being that you left in the
6 and she said there is a lady missing and they are looking
8 there, I came across the officers, and they asked me, you
17 just went back and was like, let me see, you know, that
19 back.
20 Q. Okay.
22 going to say the path. I came this way back on the path,
23 and she -- the incident took place way still down there,
24 and I ran into the officers at the end of the path. They
2 Q. Okay.
5 Q. They got in touch with you, right, because you had given
11 next morning, I went back and they questioned me, and you
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16 A. she was.
20 know, she was. She was, you know, someone that I had no
5 look back and then you can realize, you know, this is --
8 would be --
14 about that? You remember what he said and what you did?
16 anger and rage, and resentment and didn't care, you know,
19 you know. You are just going to court and you hear them
2 Q. You are 39 years old. I'm asking you to look back and
3 see what you did. What do you think about what the judge
4 said? What do you think about what you did? What do you
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23 A. No,
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13 A. Yes. And here are these, you know, adults, that, you
14 know, that are supposed to help you with all of this, and
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19 me, you know, things like, what is going on with you, and
9 A. 7th grade.
10 Q. Okay.
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15 not take it serious, and you know, the 7th grade, you are
19 know, I'm not focused on school, and you know, I'm not
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7 correct?
8 A. Yes, ma'am.
10 developed" here?
11 A. I would --
12 Q. Go ahead.
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15 A. Yes.
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21 Q. Besides family?
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23 Q. Besides family?
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17 program-satisfied, correct?
20 A. Yes, ma'am.
24 your bid to get in, and I don't have it. So I can't get
3 A. Yes, ma'am.
10 Q. Okay.
15 mentioned?
25 Q. So today, as --
5 Q. Today, you know what is right from wrong, and you know
7 tools?
9 and not hold things in and get things out and not hold
10 anger and rage in, you know. Know that I don't have to
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18 you know, kid, you know. I have sat and thought and I
20 Q. Well, Edward, ?
6 of that program?
18 I'm not old enough to have a job yet, or you know, I'm
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14 A. They say this because, you know, like, they didn't see no
16 and you know, like I said, I was just still full of a lot
18 was, you know, living like I was in a fog, and you know,
20 on with me, you know, nothing like that. So, you know,
2 opinion?
9 it was like not having people who loved and cared for you
10 when you were there, and her children had go through the
13 A. You don't realize these things when you were age 15, you
15 thinking of, you know, the other -- you know, all of the
22 where you are and why I'm here today, you know, you do.
24 this time.
25 A. You understand, you know, when you are young, you don't
1 realize that. You don't think about that and it is, you
3 you choose to deal with yourself, and you know, then that
9 , and we have an
10 apology letter.
12 A. No, I didn't.
19 Q. I saw that. And you need to, you know -- you can send an
21 will read it, maybe they will not, but it would be good
25 telephone?
1 A. Yes.
2 Q. Okay.
7 months at Elmira?
9 about 3 years.
17 services.
22 different?
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1 in the confederacy.
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6 to the community.
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16 mistrust from
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6 Commissioner.
7 Commissioner Mitchell?
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16 child,
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16 like real time, and just sit there and think and
10 never go away.
19 Commissioner Mitchell.
20 BY COMMISSIONER DEMOSTHENES:
22 A. Yes.
24 we?
3 expect you all to, you know, say let's really see who
4 this person is, you know, not just okay, five minutes and
6 Q. We don't do that.
10 Q. Of course.
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25 You have the last word, sir. What would you have us
8 know, that goes to show you, you know, not only that I
14 know, and took the time to really write these out and
19 A. I would like to, you know, say right here, you know, one
8 I know for a fact that I can go out, and you know, become
13 A. I appreciate that.
14 Q. Take care.
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3 DECISION
13 your actions.
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3 CERTIFICATION
6 and for the State of New York, do hereby certify that I attended
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