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TAPED TRANSCRIPT OF JESSE AARON GRUND INTERVIEW CONDUCTED BY CORPORAL MELICH CASE NUMBER 08-69208 SEPTEMBER 9, 2008 EE CORPORAL WILLIAM ERIC EDWARDS YM CORPORAL YURI MELICH JG MR. JESSE AARON GRUND YM: The date right now is September 9th, sorry September 8, 2008. The time right now is 1835 hours. Im Detective Melich with the Orange County Sheriffs Office, case number 08-069208. Im with Detective Eric Edwards, also with the Orange County Sheriffs Office. Just walking in the room is FBI Agent Nick Savage with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Uh, also present is Jesse Grund. Uh, Jesse, do you understand this is being recorded? JG: YM: JG: YM: Yes. Any objection to that? No. Okay. Were over here at the FBI office in Maitland. Uh, Jesse, we had asked you, we called you and told you that we wanted to speak to you. We had some more questions about information thats come up. Uh, you came down to the office. I just want to go over what we did. You came down to the office today. Uh, we asked if youd be willing to take a polygraph. You did. Uhm, after the polygraph examination, during which you, you made some comments such as I guess he was asking you about uhm, evidence questions, or questions about evidence, or hiding evidence, and it concerned us because you said something about to the extent of You know, well if Im going to be considered a suspect, or

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a person of interest, I want an attorney. Uh, this is after the polygraph was over, correct? JG: YM: Right. Okay. So when you came in here the first thing I wanted to make sure that we were clear on is that youre not detained. Youre not in custody. Youre free to leave. I showed that theres the door if you want to walk out. Did I not say that? JG: YM: Yes sir, you did. Okay. So do you feel like were, our conversation here since, I guess weve been talking for a half hour before this went on tape. Did you feel that you were not free to leave, or youre. JG: YM: JG: YM: No. in custody? No sir. Okay. So that being said, we went over a couple of things here that we had some questions about. First off was a comment that you made to me uh, last week when I called you on the phone and you said something about Cindy being told by Lee of an incident involving Cindy and Casey. JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: Correct. just before Caylee went missing. Right. And would you please just explain that incident for me and how you learned of it. Uh, Lee, shortly after my second interview with Orange County, confided in me that uhm, the reason that he thought, Cindy confided in him that the reason he thought, she felt that Casey ran off was there was a big fight between the two of them and the fight concerned Casey not being home a lot uhm, and uhm, not

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bringing Caylee by. Uhm, it got into a very heated argument, which turned physical, and Cindy started choking Casey. YM: JG: Was there anyone else in the house when this happened? Uh, he didnt actually expand upon that. As far as I understood, from what he told me, it was just Cindy and Casey. YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: Uh-hum (affirmative). Where was Caylee? Uhm, I dont know. This happen daytime, nighttime? Night time. Do you know if George might have been home? Uhm, I, I dont know if he was home or not. Uh, again, what Lee told me, uhm, was very short, sweet, to the point. I didnt ask a lot of questions in regards to it. Because again, I didnt know how much of it was real and how much of it was fake. I didnt know if again I was being fed something just to test to see where I was at in regards to retaining information that hed give me. YM: Did you have any reason to believe that Lee might have been tricking you at that point? JG: I didnt trust anybody in the family at that point. So uhm, I was on high alert in regards to anything that was being told to me. YM: JG: Did Casey ever mention this incident with her mom to you at all? Absolutely not. I mean she had been recently in a very much kind of a hatred state for her mother, but she had never mentioned anything in regards to being choked by her mom. YM: Did, when she saw you uhm, actually the last time you saw her was this year was when?

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JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: JG:

July 1st. July 1st? When she came over to take a shower. Okay. That was the last time I saw Casey. And this incident obviously occurred uh, in June. I think he said some, right before she stopped really coming by the house anymore, which I think was the middle of June I believe.

YM:

Uh-hum (affirmative). You see any bruises or marks on her when she came over.

JG: YM: JG: YM:

No. to take a shower? None. You also mentioned something, or went into detail uh, more about an incident that occurred with Lee uh, sometime ago. Well I guess where Lee I guess tried to have sex with her?

JG:

Uh, September of 2005 Casey told me that she didnt feel comfortable with Lee being around Caylee. When I asked why she said that uhm, CasCayuhm, recently she wouldnt expand upon recently. I assumed it was before Caylee was born. Uhm, Casey uh, and Lee were at the house alone together and Casey, and Lee attempted to have sex with her.

YM: JG:

Did he uh, did, did, did you get an indication what attempted to have sex meant? Uh, it (sighs), there was never any explanation. My impression was that somehow he was trying to pressure her into it somehow. That was my impression from what she was saying.

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YM: JG:

Uh-hum (affirmative). I didnt have anything else concrete on it. And it was so vile and disgusting to me that I didnt really want to go any further into it than what she was telling me. Being that I cared about her at the time I was immediately angry towards Lee and had resentment towards him.

YM: JG: YM:

And this was September of 2005, correct? Correct, yes. Has she ever mentioned that in another incident to you or, have you, has she ever mentioned this to you more than once or was it just on one occasion?

JG: YM: JG: YM: JG:

No, it was just on one occasion. I, like I said, I didnt want to expound upon it. And when, approximately when did she mention this to you? September of 2005. The same month it happened? No, no, no. She said, she mentioned it to me September of 2005. She didnt say the exact date of when it happened. She said recently, which my guess what the recent would have been before Caylee was, well before she was pregnant.

YM: JG: YM: JG: YM:

Okay, S. She never actually told me the exact date. She just said it was recent. Okay. And thats why she had that relationship with Lee the way she had it? Do you have any reason to believe that Lee is the father of Caylee, will be the father of the child?

JG: YM:

Uhm, do I have any, or does she, or did she tell me? I mean. Do you, do you have reason, or Caylee, did she ever tell you she had reason to believe that?

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JG:

No. She never, she never, she never said that to me not once. Uhm, and again, she stuck by the whole after it was proven that I was not the father that it was some guy she had a one night stand with. But now looking back on it it may have been very convenient.

YM: JG: EE: JG:

She never gave you a name of who this guy was? No. You said Lee wasnt at the hospital when the child was born and he wasnt. Lee was not at the hospital when the child was born. Lee was not around a lot basically and really wasnt around Caylee when she was very young. It was towards the end of our relationship when he really took on that uncle role.

YM: EE:

Alright. Alright. Hey, let me ask you. Did you share this, that information you just told us about, did you share that with the other individual you told us you have been speaking with? Did you share that with Baez when he was sharing whatever information with you?

JG: YM: JG:

Absolutely not. The only other person Ive shared it with is my dad. Do you know if your dad shared it with Baez or any other. I am not sure. I dont think he, I dont think he has because a lot of that stuff my dad keeps close to the vest unless I say something.

YM:

Okay. I want to show you something here. Oh, I had you look at this before. It was a conversation coming from her computer. Its in unallocated clusters of Caseys computer. And uh, between uh, Casey O. Marie and Special Agent Jag Four. Do you know who these people are?

JG:

Casey O. Marie is Caseys AO, AOL Instant Messenger name. Special Agent Jag Four is mine.

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YM:

Okay. And up here, I guess right at the beginning it says, I can hit up my friend Annie for some Zanax. Is that what it says?

JG: YM: JG: YM:

Yes sir. Alright. Do you remember this conversation at all? No sir. Do you, you mention an approximate time frame when you think that might have taken place, right?

JG:

Uh, because of the comment in here about uhm, living with Josh, which I, I had just started living with Josh uhm, and working at Progressive. It would have been sometime beginning 2007.

YM: JG: YM: JG: YM:

Okay. Have you ever seen her take any Zanax or Zani pills. No. Zani bars? Never. Have you ever seen her, or known of her to take any drugs, either over the counter, or prescription medicuhm, prescription medication or illicit narcotics?

JG:

Uhm, not recreationally. No, Ive never seen her. The only thing Ive ever seen her take by mouth is birth control pills and thats it.

YM: JG: YM:

Alright. So, thats the only (inaudible). So basically if I asked you in very, very plain and, plain in question did she ever use drugs?

JG: YM: JG:

Id have to say no, I, Ive never seen her use drugs before. Okay. Like.

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YM: JG:

So you have no idea where the Zanax comment would have come from? No. Honestly no idea. I dont know what the rest of that conversation entitled, but I, I, Ive never used recreational drugs before. So uhm, Im pretty sure that would have been.

YM:

Is it possible then her time with, and time away from you that this is something that she could have gotten into?

JG:

Absolutely. She got into being tattooed on her body and getting drunk all the time between those two periods of time. So recreational drug use could have been a possibility.

YM:

Im glad you mentioned that. Tattoo on the body. What, what do you think Bella Vita means?

JG: YM: JG: YM:

Uh, I thought it meant good life. Uh-hum (affirmative). Uhm, Im a little rusty on my Espaol though, so I really dont, I really dont know. Why do you think she would have that, something like uh, that tattoo, or something like that tattooed on her body?

JG: YM: JG:

Uhm Do you know? I, I dont know if shed been talking about getting more tattoos, lots of tattoos, a lot. Shes just never gone to get them. Uhm, so I dont know what the specific meaning for it, for that, or why she would have gotten it would be. And itd become a new fascination of hers after we broke up and after her friends in her circle.

YM: JG:

Uh-hum (affirmative). all got tattooed together.

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YM:

We talked about the seizure, or a, an incident that happened. You, you gave me a specific date.

JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: YM:

Uh-hum (affirmative). of 11/18 of 07. Correct. And you know that date because? It was two days after my birthday. And you, you explained a little bit about what happened the day before. I guess 11/18 is Sunday?

JG: YM: JG: YM: JG:

Correct. So you said Saturday morning? Well Saturday, Saturday, Friday night we had my birthday party. Uh-hum (affirmative). Saturday afternoon she came over. We went out Saturday night and started drinking. She got very drunk, passed out at my place, woke up early, first thing Sunday morning, went back to her house again, and then came back at around noon to watch football and hang out at the house

YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: YM:

Was it and recover. Wheres, where was Caylee? Uh, at her parents house. So from Friday to Sunday had you seen Caylee? No. Alright. So when she came back on Sunday, oh and you guys are, she came back around noon, right?

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JG: YM: JG: YM: JG:

Yes sir. Alright, and you guys were watching what, a football game? Yes. And tell me what happened. Uh, we both passed out on the sofa. Uhm, a late night for both of us. I woke up, and tried to get up. Uhm, she was uh, well kind of draped down across, her legs were across me and her head was on the sofa. So I just picked up her legs, moved them to the side while she rested. As I got up her eyes popped open. Uhm, it looked like she was just staring straight and I said her name a couple times and then she started foaming at the mouth and shaking uncontrollably. And from my limited first aide experience it, it looked like a grand mal seizure to me. So I moved a table out of the way, turned her on her side. Her lips turned slightly blue. She continued seizing for probably about, I dont know, six to eight seconds. Uhm, once she got done she let out this ahh, sigh, and then her eyes popped back open again and then closed and she was non-responsible.

YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: YM:

Did you call 911? Yes, I did. House phone or cell phone? Cell phone. And uh, what address were you living at at the time? 3302 Arden Villas Boulevard. Is that the address you gave to Fire Rescue? Uh, yes, I did. And where did she go?

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JG:

Uh, she went to Orlando, I think it was, I think it was at Orlando Regional or Florida Hospital Winter Park.

YM: JG: YM: JG: YM:

Okay. Im sorry, Arden Villas, which apartment was it? Uhm, uhm, (inaudible) apartment three. Alright. (Inaudible.) So she went to uh, Orlando Regional Medical Center or Winter Park. Do you ever, did you go there? Did you.

JG: YM: JG:

Yes, I did. I went there. Uhm, I actually called her family on the phone. Uh-hum (affirmative). while the paramedics were tending to her. Uhm, shthey had no idea she was even over at my place, or that we were even talking again. Uhm, they went to the hospital. I sat in the hospital for a while. Uhm, we went, we ended up going back later on that night because she was admitted because they didnt know why the seizure happened. We went back over to my apartment uhm, to pick up her car. And uhm, I didnt get to tell you this, but her dad, her dad pulled me aside and said, Look, I dont know whats going on between the two of you, but youre a really good guy Jesse and youve got a lot going for you. And you treat her really well and you treat my granddaughter extremely well. But you dont need to be around Casey because she has some problems that we need to get her help for.

YM: JG:

Such as what? He wouldnt expand upon it. He said its not issue, his, he, he, the only thing he further on said was uhm, She, shes not a good person right now. Shes not in a right place.

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YM:

You say, you keep saying its a seizure but you dont know for sure it was a seizure, right?

JG:

Dont, I dont know for sure if it was a grand mal seizure or not. Yeah (affirmative), I mean the, the things that she did I, I dont know how she would have recreated over again. The lips turning that slight shade of blue, uh, the foaming at the mouth, the way her body was uncontrollably shaking, uhm, the, the non-responsiveness, I dont know how she would have been able to, to fake all of that.

YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: YM:

Uhm, could it have been an overdose? Uhm, posIve never seen an overdose before, so uhm. Was that the first time youve ever seen her Yes. have a seizure or. Absolutely. whatever? Yeah (affirmative). Okay. Was it the last time also? The last time. Okay. Had she ever told you what the results of the uh, well when came out of the hospital did anyone ever say what it was?

JG:

They said she didnt have Syphilis, she wasnt pregnant, and she didnt have uh, she didnt have Epilepsy. They said it mshe claimed to me that it may have been because she drank too many Red Bulls.

YM:

Okay. Eric?

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EE:

Did you want to discuss the uh, what he had been told by his source? Get that on statement too in case? Someone had told you that there was maybe some posturing towards laying some blame on you?

YM: EE: JG:

Absolutely, yeah (affirmative). Can you tell us about that please? Uhm, I was told by uh, a individual who was working with the Anthony family uhm, who had got to sit in on a couple of the attorney meetings, that uhm, Casey was telling her attorneys uhm, and Cindy was backing her up on this, that uhm, I killed Caylee. That I planted the evidence in the car. That I had access to the car because I had keys. Uhm, and that I was framing her because of my obsession with Caylee.

YM: JG:

Access to the car because of keys, why would they say that? She was just, uh, her, her reasoning for me being able to have access to her car is saying that I have a copy of her car keys.

YM: JG: YM: JG:

Do you? I dont. Ive never had a copy of her car keys. Okay. Ive never been in sole possession of a pair of keys for her. The only time Ive ever actually had her keys in my hand is when shes been right next to me in the car and Ive driven for her. Thats it.

EE:

So your understanding from this person is the familys posturing towards they know that the child is deceased, but theyre posturing towards a defense?

JG: EE: JG:

Correct. Yes sir. And who told you this? Uhm.

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EE: JG: YM: JG: YM: JG:

Well the, its out brother because I got to type what you already said off tape. Okay. Alright, uhm, Leonard Padilla told me that. Was, was it just Leonard or Leonard and Tony? Uhm, that I. Tony Padilla. Right. Uhm, just Leonard. And uhm, his guys backed him up too. Whatever, the guys that he had with him here, they also heard the same thing. So if you ask them they would be able to tell you the same thing.

EE: JG:

So youre in constant communication with them, or was this a one-time deal? We, we were in semi-constant communication when Leonard would, when Padilla was here because he was, you know, when hed hear stuff he would uh, relay it through my dad just to help me out.

YM: JG: YM: JG:

What else because he. What else did he share with you and your dad? Uhm , really thats the only thing. And then he picked our brain about stuff. That was uh, really the only thing that he really reached out to us to really help me out with. Hed pick our brains in regards to ways to approach Casey, trying to get to talk to her, you know, things of that nature.

EE:

Did you ever make the request for him to contact law enforcement? I mean if you knew that they were going to try to frame you, I mean it would be, the first thing Id say, well man, you need to call the police.

JG:

Well that was the, that was the first thing that I did when I found out about it was called law enforcement. Uhm, I had a conversation with Detective Melich on the phone as soon as I heard about it. Uhm

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EE: JG: YM: EE: YM: JG:

Okay. Uhm, that was, that was the first thing that I did, you know. Did. Well. Did you tell Leonard to? I never uh, uhm, I didnt actually get to speak with him directly about that. Uhm, I guess uh, an investigative reporter came to town and also uh, Craig Rivera from Geraldo Rivera spoke to Padillas men that all backed up the fact and spoke with Padilla. Well backed up the fact that they were trying to put that information out there to, to frame me.

YM:

One thing I was to go over, we went over before, is the computer. When you were at uh, at her house after she was arrested, I guess during one of the vigils or something, did you use the tower computer at the house?

JG: YM: JG:

Yes, I did. Okay, well what did you look up on the, on the computer at the house? I accessed uh, AT and T dot com to get, print out a copy of my uhm, cell phone records for a meeting that I was having with Amy, Ricardo, Troy and uh, was it Amy? Yeah (affirmative), it as Amy, Ricardo and Troy, that night. Uhm, and I may have possibly made access to my My Space or a Face Book. I sometimes do that when I go on there, when I go on computers.

YM: JG:

Okay. So but I havent been on, I wasnt on any other search engines or anything like that.

YM: EE:

Okay. Go ahead.

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JG:

(Speaking into cellular phone.) Hey Dad. Im just finish, Im just finishing up right now.

EE: UM:

Two minutes. (Speaking to Jesse on cellular phone.) Okay. I just want to make sure youre okay.

JG: UM: JG: EE: JG: YM: JG:

Yeah (affirmative), Im okay. Alright, bye. Okay. (Mr. Grund ends the cellular phone call and resumes speaking to the detectives.) And whens the last time you talked to Lee? The last time I talked to Lee? Uh, last week. What was the nature of that conversation? Short, sweet. I just, I called him uhm, just to check on him and see how he was doing. Uhm, because since the conversation that we had about the misinformation thing Ive, I have tried to keep things very civil between the two of us. I dont want to make an enemy out of him because hes, he doesnt seem to be an enemy towards us right now. Uhm.

EE: JG: EE: JG:

When you say us, who do you mean us? Me and my dad, my family. Uh-hum (affirmative). whatsoever at all. Uhm, so I actually, I, uh, well speak briefly on the phone, just uh, kind of talk about you know, hows things going with your family? How are you doing? You know, hows the efforts to find Caylee going? Because I, I still you know, until we located Caylee having a body I still want to believe in my heart of hearts that shes out there somewhere.

YM:

What is Lee telling you?

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JG:

Just, just that the work hard on you know, he, hes trying to keep his family together because you know, uhm, Cindy Anthony is uh, not mentally stable and, and George is starting to come apart at the seams, and hes trying to keep everybody together, so.

EE:

Did Padilla tell you how you killed the baby? Did they say how they were putting that together?

JG: EE: JG:

Uhm, I think he did but I dont remember. I think. Try to remember for me because thats pretty crucial. Uhm, I think, I think he may have said that I drowned Caylee. I think, I think thats what theyre trying to say.

EE: JG: EE: JG: YM:

That you intentionally drowned Caylee? Yeah (affirmative). Where was that supposed to have happened? I think in the pool in the backyard. When was the last time, aside from the vigil, when was the last time before Casey was arrested that you were at the house?

JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: JG:

When I dated her in November. And you hadnt been there since November? No. Your cell phone tower records, everything else will show that you havent been. Right. The only at their house? well I mean Ive, Ive been in the area when I worked east, east side when I was working for OPD because uhm, Kilo goes all the way over onto uhm, whats that street that theyre on Chickasaw.

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YM: JG: EE:

Uh-hum (affirmative). Like cuts off right there, right next to basically their, their neighborhood. Just so it doesnt come out later and we get blindsided, did you ever swing by and do the ugly while you were on duty in uniform with her?

JG: EE: JG: EE: JG: EE:

Absolutely not. Okay. Absolutely not. Never. Never. Did you, did you (inaudible). I havent, I have not slept with her or had sex with her since November of 2007. I would suggest that any of this other via your source information that you immediately call and let one of us know.

YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: NS: YM:

If he reaches out to you. And absolutely. Or any of the Padilla clan. Absolutely. Nick, you have anything? No. Alright. Obviously, as we get evidas, as we get information we might have more questions.

JG: YM:

Thats fine. With that being said, is there anything now, weve talked for quite some time, you, youve spent quite some time here, is there anything now that we havent asked you about that you feel is important or, or essential that you want to tell us about in this case, whether it be someones comment to you, uh, someones attitude towards the case, or, or any rumors that you might be hearing? Anything

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that you think of that can, that can come out or it might help us now that weve had some time to talk? JG: Uhm, you know uh, to be honest, uhm, I have a wealth of Casey Anthony information just because of how close Ive been to her for an extended period of time, and Ive seen that family dynamic. Uhm, you know, uh, Cindy uh, Cindy is, Cindy Anthony is uh, uh, I think I mentioned you know, uhm, at one point during our relationship I fell asleep on top of the covers while Casey and I were engaged, and Cindy came home and immediately just went off and started screaming at me from the kitchen. Uhm, and from that point on it seemed like that womans had some sort of vendetta against me. Uhm, so anything that, that comes out of her mouth in regards to me uhm, I, I just wouldnt be surprised by anything that she says to be a hundred percent honest with you. I wouldnt be surprised by anything that she says. So, but I have a lot of information that Im willing to, to give, you know, if anything that I think of helps Im, Im totally going to say something. But you know, I dont know what else there is for me to, to share. YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: You know uh, Brandon Snow? I know of him. Yeah (affirmative). Ive. You never met him? Never met him. Uhm, he, I know that Casey supposedly. What about, what about Dante Salati?

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JG:

Uhm, just that he was in that friend group with Brandon and uh, that other tattooed friend that she had. Uhm, I cant remember his name. What was uh, hes got dirty blond hair.

YM: JG: YM:

Sean? Sean, yes. Do you know, had, do you know if Casey has talked to anyone since shes been out of jail on the computer through IM, aside from Dakota. We know that she kind of corresponded with Dakota. Do you know anyone else that shes corresponded to?

JG:

Well she hasnt corresponded to me at all. Ive blocked her on everything. My Space, Face Book, AOL Instant Messenger, and she doesnt have my phone number. So she hasnt reached out to, to me or any of my friends and I cant, I dont know of anybody else. Before I blocked her on AOL Instant Messenger though I did see her on-line on AOL Instant Messenger the day after she got out of jail. So uhm, as soon as I saw that I realized I needed to block her on, on AOL as soon as possible.

EE:

I think we need to uh, mention the deputy and the fact that you went to the Academy with him. Because you got real emotional about that when, when I mentioned that before. Whats your when did you introduce them?

JG:

Uh, I introduced Anthony Rusciano to Casey Anthony on uh, uh, during football season 2007. Uhm, we were at uh, Big Valley Brewery on a, on a Sunday, and uh, I introduced the two of them at that point. Uhm, we, well Anthony I considered a, a pretty good friend at the time. Uhm, and then I found out that Casey kind of had a thing for him. She thought he was cute. But she said nothing would ever happen. And then I found that they were exchanging text

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messages and Face Book messages and, and things of that nature. And it was just getting to the point where I confronted him about it and he told me, Theres nothing going on. Id never do that to one of my friends behind their back. Uhm EE: Now if there was an accusation made that you and he may have had some involvement in helping her deal with the situation what would your response to that be? JG: Uhm, I would believe it. Uhm, uh, I believe that Anthony is easily manipulated by Casey. Uhm, I believe while my connection with Casey was uh, strictly on a emotional slash love, slash I love Caylee level, I believe lust wise he was a manipueasily manipulated by her uhm, into you know, theyre sleeping together. Uhm, and I also know that Anthony Rusciano uhm, does lie consistently. Uhm. EE: JG: And tell me about those again. Uhm, and see well he didnt graduate from Academy, but told everybody that he did graduate from, from Police Academy, because he failed firearms. Uhm, he was stealing money at his work place. He worked at Chillers in security, and he was pocketing money and got caught and basically got shown the door. Uhm, and he was also missing work there uhm, and telling them that he was working undercover for Orange County and thats why he was missing work. Uhm, so those were just a few of the things. And then finding out some of the lies that he had about his, him and Caseys relationship, I, I, I wasnt surprised when I found out that they had been sleeping together, so. Uhm, he has come right out and said though that he blames me for everything thats, thats happened. Hes told mutual friends of ours that the fact that he got released from the Orange County

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Sheriffs Office is my fault because I dropped his name out there in, during an interview. YM: JG: YM: JG: Hmm. So. Which is not true. No. I think one question was asked about Anthony and I told them that they knew each other and they were friends and that was the only, the only thing I ever said. YM: About this e-mail real quick. We mentioned, theres two names mentioned in the e-mail, Josh and Melina And you mentioned Josh and (spelling)s last name, or Josh and, and well who Melina was. And Josh was Josh Bradshaw. Is that correct? JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: JG: YM: Correct. Yes sir. That was your roommate at the time? Yeah (affirmative). And uh, Melina is Joshs ex? Yeah (affirmative). You gave her a number of 407-766-0155, right? Correct. Ye sir. Okay. And Melina used to be Caseys best friend. Used to be Caseys, whyd they uh, why, why are they no longer. They became, they were best friends while they were engaged. Uh-hum (affirmative).

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JG:

And then as soon as both of them became unengaged anymore they went back to being best friends again. And then as soon as one got a boyfriend and the other got a boyfriend they just kind of parted ways.

YM: JG:

Do you think theyre still friends now? Uhm, they were before this whole thing happened. Uh, I wouldnt, I dont believe I, I, Ive actually spoken to Melina on the phone and she said Casey hadnt reached out to her, but she wasnt, she didnt know what she was going to do if she did. So I told her her best bet was just not to talk to her.

EE:

You said something in there about maybe this uh, being something to be spiteful towards mom, this whole thing. Maybe Casey being spiteful towards mom.

JG: EE: JG:

Uh-hum (affirmative). Whats that about? Well I, I beuhm, I believe she has uh, uh, uh, shes always had a kind of love hate relationship with Cindy. I mean for the, and, and if you ask my dad or anybody else, when we were together, when we were engaged she didnt want to be anything like her mom. She wanted to get out of the house as quick as possible. And then suddenly she wanted to be just like her mom. And then she goes back to hating her mom again. And then she loves her mom and her moms going to give her the house and everything great. And then she hates her mom again. Uhm, I believe it goes all the way back to when Caylee was born. When Caylee was born Casey wasnt the first one to get to hold Caylee. It was Cindy. Uhm, and Caseys even voiced to me in the past that Cindy has actually called herself mommy to Caylee in front of Casey before.

EE:

Repeat that?

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JG:

Cindy has called herself, referred to herself as mommy to Caylee, even while Casey is there.

EE:

And what about the chloroform? You had said something to me about that. Uh, youre, well youre, your thoughts on that?

JG: EE: JG:

Uh, from, from my personal perspective and nothing professional? In knowing her. Nothing professional about it. She doesnt have a degree in chemistry. All, the only thing she probably knows about chloroform is what shes seen in the movies. Uhm, so uh, I cant think of any other reason for there to be chloroform in the car unless she was planning on if she had or was planning on using it on someone or something.

EE:

And this is completely speculative, but if something did occur where do you think she would have put that child?

JG:

Uhm, my first guess was the house. Uhm, but again, the house has obviously been searched. So its not there anymore. Uhm, you know uh, she knew that area of town pretty well. Uhm, but I think she would stay familiar and close to home, so any one of those little parks thats anywhere close to her house. I never went to a park with her and Caylee before, though so. The only place I ever really went that was secluded for the two of us

YM: JG:

Uh-hum (affirmative). .uhm, was the uhm, her old middle school that we went to and we had sex together while we were engaged. Uhm, the only, there was one other place that I actually mentioned. Uh, she was familiar with my apartment complex in Arden Villas. And Arden Villas is just all swampland right behind my building. Its just swamp land. I think its a couple acres of swampland. So being that she was

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familiar with that area and had been there before that could have been a place that she could have thought to take Caylee. EE: YM: Is it sixteen acres? Is that what? Oh, sixteen acres over there at Curry Ford, Im sorry, at Dean and Lake Underhill. You ever hear about uh, that being a party ground, or have you, has she ever mentioned about going to party over there? JG: YM: No, Ive never heard her mention about going to Dean and Lake Underhill. You ever heard of a, a placed called Sixteen Acres? Its one of those where you know, well with keggers. You pay a five dollar cover, get in there, and youre able to you know, just listen to live music, all that. You ever hear of that? JG: Im, I think Ive heard it in passing before, but never anything that was uh, I never. YM: JG: You, you never. .Ive overheard people talking but Ive never been there before or really looked into it. YM: EE: YM: Okay. Im good. And Im good. Raise your right hand for me? Do you swear and affirm everything you just told us is the truth? JG: YM: I swear. Alright, thank you.

End of recorded statement. This transcript has been reviewed for accuracy.

___________________________________________________ CORPORAL YURI MELICH, OCSO DEPUTY SHERIFF

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