3.21.22 Hearing

THE OFFICE OF SECRETARY OF STATE
STATE OF GEORGIA
IN THE MATTER OF:

STATE ELECTION BOARD MEETING
Zoom Audio-conference
MARCH 16, 2022

10:00 A.M.
MARY K MCMAHAN, CCR, 2757

STEVEN RAY GREEN COURT REPORTING LLC
ATLANTA, GEORGIA 30324
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APPEARANCE OF THE PANEL
Matt Mashburn, Acting Chair
Sara Tindall Ghazal
Janice Johnston
Ed Lindsey
ALSO PRESENT:
Ryan Germany, General Counsel
Maggie Haisty, Legislative Affairs Director
Charlene McGowan, Assistant Attorney General
James Callaway, Deputy Chief Investigator
Vincent Zagorin, Investigator
Paul Braun, Investigator
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
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Attorney General Report.......................108
Consent Orders................................111
Consolidated Consent Orders...................111
Final Orders..................................114
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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
2 MR. MASHBURN: Welcome. This is the meeting
3 of the Georgia State Election Board.
4 My name is Matt Mashburn. As the senior
5 member of the board, I will call the meeting to
6 order. And the first thing I'll do is call the
7 roll in order to establish a quorum. I am here.
8 Matt Mashburn.
9 The next senior member is appointed by the
10 Democratic party. Sarah Tindall Ghazal.
11 MRS. GHAZAL: Here.
12 MR. MASHBURN: The next junior member is Ed
13 Lindsey, appointed by the House.
14 MR. LINDSEY: Here.
15 MR. MASHBURN: The next and our newest
16 member, Dr. Jan Johnston is appointed by the
17 Republican party.
18 DR. JOHNSTON: Present.
19 MR. MASHBURN: So the entire board is here
20 and a quorum is present.
21 So the next thing on our agenda is to do our
22 invocation. And I'll invite our newest member to
23 do the invocation if she'd like.
24 DR. JOHNSTON: Yes. Thank you.
25 (Invocation)
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1 MR. MASHBURN: And at this time I'll ask
2 those in attendance to stand and ask Dr. Johnston
3 if she'd like to lead the Pledge of Allegiance.
4 (Pledge of Allegiance)
5 MR. MASHBURN: Thank you. Please be seated.
6 The next thing on our agenda is the election
7 of the acting chair.
8 For those that don't follow this every
9 minute of every day, the vice chair was appointed
10 to the commissioner of the department of
11 administrative services and therefore ended her
12 tenure of the board. And that left the board
13 without a vice chair and an acting chair.
14 So the first thing on our agenda now is to
15 elect an acting chair. I will put my name in
16 nomination as acting chair simply because when I
17 was in seventh grade we asked our teacher if we
18 could vote for ourselves and the teacher said:
19 If you don't think you should do it, you
20 shouldn't be in nomination.
21 So are there any other nominations for
22 acting chair? Hearing none, I will call for a
23 vote. All those in favor of Matt Mashburn being
24 the active chair say aye.
25 THE BOARD MEMBERS: Aye.
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1 MR. GERMANY: Needs to be a second.
2 MR. MASHBURN: Oh, I'm sorry. Is there a --
3 DR. JOHNSTON: Second.
4 MR. MASHBURN: Thank you, Dr. Jan Johnston.
5 Thank you, Ryan, for bringing that to my
6 attention.
7 All those in favor say aye.
9 MR. MASHBURN: All those opposed say nay.
10 Motion -- or the election carries, four zero.
11 The next item on the agenda is the
12 introduction of the new members.
13 And I'd like to introduce the Honorable Ed
14 Lindsey, the appointee of the House.
15 Anything you'd like to say? We welcome you,
16 but is there anything you'd like to say?
17 MR. LINDSEY: Well, thank you very much.
18 And I think we have a very full calendar here and
19 I know there's a lot of folks online who want to
20 hear some of the evidence, so I'll keep it short.
21 I'm very humbled that the Speaker and the House
22 have named me as a member of this committee.
23 And for those who are listening, I think I
24 speak for everyone that I've talked to on this
25 board. Our sole concern is that we make sure
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1 that our elections in this state are open and
2 fair and transparent and that people in Georgia
3 have confidence in the outcome because that's a
4 cornerstone of democracy as was stated so
5 eloquently by Dr. Johnston in prayer.
6 I thank you for having me and I look forward
7 to working with everyone on the committee and on
8 the staff.
9 MR. MASHBURN: Welcome.
10 Next I'll introduce our newest member,
11 Dr. Jan Johnston. And anything you'd like to
12 say? We welcome you to the board.
13 DR. JOHNSTON: Thank you. Well, let me
14 share a story with you. I started as a citizen
15 who had some free time and wanted to volunteer.
16 My interest and curiosity was working as a poll
17 watcher/monitor/observer in absentee ballot
18 processing. This experience was followed by
19 participation in as many aspects of the election
20 process as I could do from the grass-roots level.
21 These interests then broadened to
22 understanding the larger picture of elections
23 processing, operations, and conduct. Naturally
24 this led to a study of elections law, election
25 systems, and oversight of our elections.
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1 Prior to this so-called free time, I had
2 been a physician in the Atlanta community,
3 serving and learning from colleagues and patients
4 for over thirty-five years. Medicine is
5 demanding, requiring dedication, advocacy,
6 objectivity, critical-thinking, thoroughness,
7 continual learning, and constant review and
8 improvement.
9 The practice of medicine may seem different
10 than the administration of elections, however
11 both share a commitment to fair, ethical, legal,
12 and orderly conduct. Additionally, both provide
13 for uniform and nondiscriminatory standards,
14 whether for a patient or for an elector.
15 My special interests are (indiscernible)
16 maintenance for security and outside contracts,
17 absentee voting safeguards security, and working
18 toward the same requirements as in-person voting;
19 vulnerable elector advocacy and protection;
20 protection of election department from outside
21 influences, money, or manpower, partisan or
22 private, direct or indirect; ballot security and
23 voting systems.
24 Thank you for your time. I look forward to
25 working with each of you and to guard the
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1 election process every step of the way so the
2 outcome is a trusted successive entry.
3 MR. MASHBURN: Welcome. We welcome you to
4 the board.
5 The next item on our agenda is the approval
6 of the board minutes. The board has had a
7 package delivered to them and made available.
8 Has everyone studied it in sufficient detail
9 that they are ready to consider a motion to
10 approve the board minutes?
11 MRS. GHAZAL: I so move.
12 MR. MASHBURN: Sara Ghazal has made the
13 motion. Is there a second?
14 MR. LINDSEY: Second.
15 MR. MASHBURN: Ed Lindsey has seconded. All
16 those in favor say aye.
18 MR. MASHBURN: All those opposed?
19 So the minutes are approved unanimously.
20 The next item is we move to public comment.
21 The time for public comment is two minutes. We
22 should have a timer set up. And so the excellent
23 staff here -- the board has no staff and no
24 budget, so we rely heavily on the secretary of
25 state's staff. And the secretary of state has
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1 made excellent staff available to us and we thank
2 them for all their hard work and their
3 participation.
4 So we'll let y'all run the -- one of the
5 things they do is they set up how people sign up,
6 and so we let them control that -- and let you
7 announce the first speaker.
8 MS. HAISTY: All right. Our first person
9 signed up for public comment is Lindsey Favero.
10 MR. MASHBURN: Are you there? Lindsey?
11 MS. FAVERO: Hi. Lindsey's here. Good --
12 MR. MASHBURN: We can hear you. Please go
13 ahead.
14 MS. FAVERO: Good morning. My name is
15 Lindsey Favero and I'm a resident of Cobb County.
16 I encourage the state election board to support
17 counties, including Fulton, with running free and
18 fair elections and help them prepare for the
19 upcoming primary and general election.
20 The performance review could threaten local
21 control of Fulton County which is the county with
22 the most voters of color. And last fall a state
23 monitor found no evidence of dishonesty or fraud.
24 And claims of fraud are driven by misinformation
25 campaigns. Local control of election
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1 administration should not be taken away from
2 Fulton County or any other county. And instead
3 of entertaining partisan misinformation, the
4 state election board should focus its time and
5 energy on ensuring every county has resources and
6 support to enable every registered voter to
7 exercise their freedom to vote in all twenty-two
8 election -- all 2022 elections.
9 And that's all. Thank you all for your
10 time.
11 MR. MASHBURN: Thank you for your comment.
12 The next speaker?
13 MS. HAISTY: The next speaker is Dr. Ngina
14 Sydney Jemmott.
15 DR. JEMMOTT: Good morning.
16 MR. MASHBURN: Please go ahead. We can hear
17 you.
18 DR. JEMMOTT: Okay. Okay. My name is
19 Dr. Ngina Sydney Jemmott, and I've been a
20 resident of Fulton County for ten years.
21 The state election board should focus its
22 time and energy on ensuring every one of
23 Georgia's 159 counties has the resources and
24 support needed to enable every eligible
25 registered voter to exercise their freedom to
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1 vote in all of the 2022 elections. Rather than
2 helping counties prepare for the upcoming primary
3 general election, the state election board is
4 entertaining a performance review board. From
5 the start, advocates warned a performance review
6 board could threaten local control of Fulton
7 County which is the county in Georgia with the
8 most voters of color.
9 The state election board should not serve as
10 a partisan-fueled obstacle. Irrespective of what
11 the Fulton County Review Board recommends, I
12 encourage the state election board to support
13 counties like Fulton in their endeavor to run
14 free and fair elections.
15 Thank you for your time.
16 MR. MASHBURN: Thank you.
17 Our next speaker?
18 MS. HAISTY: Our next speaker is Kent Buis.
19 You're allowed to speak now.
20 MR. MASHBURN: Please go ahead.
21 MR. BUIS: Good morning. My name is Kent
22 Buis --
23 MR. MASHBURN: We can hear you.
24 MR. BUIS: All right. My name is Kent Buis
25 and I'm a resident of Cobb County.
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1 Instead of helping counties to prepare for
2 the upcoming primary and general election, the
3 state election board is entertaining a
4 performance review board that could threaten the
5 local control of Fulton County over its own
6 elections. Whatever the Fulton Review Board
7 recommends, I encourage the state election board
8 to support counties like Fulton in their endeavor
9 to run free and fair elections.
10 The current trends in Georgia, making it
11 harder to vote and easier to carry a gun, must be
12 reversed. The state election board should focus
13 its time and energy on ensuring every one of our
14 hundred and fifty-nine counties has the resources
15 and support needed to enable every eligible
16 registered voter to exercise their freedom to
17 vote in all of the 2022 elections.
18 Thank you.
20 Next speaker?
21 MS. HAISTY: The next speaker is Naomi Bock.
22 MR. MASHBURN: Naomi Bock, please proceed.
23 DR. BOCK: Thank you. Can you hear me?
24 MR. MASHBURN: We can hear you. Please
25 proceed.
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1 DR. BOCK: Thank you. My name is Dr. Naomi
2 Bock. I am a resident of DeKalb County where I
3 went to elementary school a few years back.
4 I urge the board to focus its time and
5 energy on ensuring every one of our 159 counties
6 has the resources and support needed to enable
7 every one of our eligible registered voters to
8 exercise their freedom to vote in all of the
9 twenty-two -- 2022 elections.
10 Thank you.
12 Next speaker?
13 MS. HAISTY: Our next speaker is Patty
14 Pflum. Give me one second to ... you should be
15 able to unmute now.
16 MR. MASHBURN: Patty Pflum?
17 MS. PFLUM: Can you hear me?
18 MR. MASHBURN: Yes, we can hear you. Please
19 proceed.
20 MS. PFLUM: I'm a resident of Fulton County.
21 I tried to follow the counting of votes in the
22 2020 election and all of the things that happened
23 after the election. And I have seen no evidence
24 that there are any significant problems with the
25 Fulton County system.
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1 I was glad to hear Dr. Jan Johnston say in
2 her introduction that she is a doctor. And the
3 idea of a Fulton review board and potential
4 takeover by the state reminds me of a doctor
5 prescribing a -- prescribing something to cure a
6 disease that the patient doesn't have.
7 I hope that the state board of elections
8 will wait until there is solid factual evidence
9 of election fraud before they decide to review
10 any county's systems and take it over.
11 Thank you.
13 The next speaker?
14 MS. HAISTY: Our next speaker is Opal Baker.
15 MR. MASHBURN: Opal Baker?
16 MS. BAKER: Yes. Good morning. My name is
17 Opal Baker and --
19 MS. BAKER: -- I'm a resident -- okay. I'm
20 a resident of Fulton County. As a Georgia voter,
21 I am really fed up and really extremely anxious
22 about the direction that voter rights has taken
23 in Georgia and I feel under attack by the
24 legislature in this state. And I'm very confused
25 about why this board is wasting valuable time and
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1 resources on the farce of a performance review
2 board for elections officials.
3 And why is Fulton County such a priority for
4 this nonsense? It is not lost on me that Fulton
5 County has the highest population of eligible
6 registered voters of color. Your attention
7 should be focused on the upcoming primary and the
8 general elections and making sure that all of our
9 counties have the support and resources that they
10 need to help voters exercise their right to vote
11 in free and fair elections.
12 Fulton County needs your help, not your
13 harassment. Since petty Republican politics has
14 made it harder for -- to vote by mail for
15 Georgians -- voters have to have -- put their
16 lives and livelihood at risk to come out to vote.
17 In case you've forgotten, we're still in a
18 pandemic and we -- and you should be helping all
19 our counties prepare to get voters safely through
20 the polls and to cast their -- our ballots in a
21 safe manner and in a safe environment.
22 Many of us are terrified about standing in
23 line for long periods around people we don't know
24 because our polling stations are understaffed,
25 underequipped, underresourced, and overworked.
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1 Please stop the nonsense. Just stop -- just
2 stop and get rid of the ridiculous petty things
3 that make it harder for our elections workers and
4 support all of our counties, all of our counties
5 including Fulton, with the resources needed to
6 ensure free and fair elections for all eligible
7 and registered voters.
8 Thank you.
10 Next speaker?
11 MS. HAISTY: Our next speaker is Pamela
12 Reardon.
13 MR. MASHBURN: Pamela Reardon, you should be
14 unmuted. Pamela Reardon?
15 MS. HAISTY: Pamela Reardon, you've been
16 given the ability to speak now. We'll ask you to
17 unmute your microphone if you'd like to be heard.
18 MS. REARDON: I should've known that. I
19 haven't done Zoom for a while. Sorry. All
20 right.
22 proceed.
23 MS. REARDON: Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
24 I'm on Fulton County -- or sorry, I live in Cobb
25 County and heavily involved with elections.
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1 I'm -- I'm -- it's comical. It's comical --
2 let's just call it comical -- that the Democrats
3 have their talking points of this morning and
4 they're all saying the same thing.
5 Well, mine's not going to be a talking
6 point. This is reality. In Fulton County, the
7 elections have been poorly run and they needed a
8 review. In fact, in the municipal, my son-in-law
9 went to vote at a place for the mayor's election
10 and they didn't even ask for his photo ID.
11 So you can't tell me -- and another poll
12 manager didn't know that a hundred and fifty
13 ballots cannot be dropped off by a ballot
14 harvester. So there is plenty of room for
15 improvement.
16 I really called because I do not think that
17 the secretary of state had the authority without
18 the backup of the board. I did not see a meeting
19 where the board authorized the expense of five
20 million dollars for a system called Salesforce,
21 who has also just recently been -- had a huge
22 breach of data and they were hacked. So I really
23 want this reviewed by the board and that decision
24 revoked.
25 Thank you very much.
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1 MR. MASHBURN: Thank you for your comments.
2 The next speaker?
3 MS. HAISTY: Our next speaker is Michael
4 Garza.
5 MR. MASHBURN: Michael Garza, you should be
6 unmuted. Please proceed.
7 MR. GARZA: Hi. Can everyone hear me?
9 MR. GARZA: Hi. My name is Michael Garza
10 and I'm a resident of Cobb County. I promise I
11 don't have any talking points here. I'm here to
12 advocate for the board and legislators to do more
13 to protect the voting rights of Georgians, in
14 particular for seniors and those with
15 disabilities throughout the state that have been
16 impacted by changes to the absentee voting rules.
17 Last year I went door to door for a local
18 special election to alert people that an election
19 was taking place in their district. In that time
20 I met many seniors living in retirement and
21 assisted-living communities in the area.
22 One in particular was Beverly who has
23 multiple medical issues including having just had
24 a life-saving organ transplant just a month
25 earlier. She did not receive her absentee ballot
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1 automatically and was shocked to learn that it
2 was past the time that she could resolve her
3 issue and her only method to vote would be in
4 person. That was problematic as she doesn't
5 drive and could barely walk, even with the
6 assistance of a walker.
7 She's not alone. This is the story of
8 countless other Georgians in similar situations.
9 And as it stands now, there are even fewer
10 options for these people than in previous
11 elections. The online portal is no longer
12 available. A message says: Our online portal is
13 undergoing maintenance to better serve you for
14 future elections. All other options require a
15 printer that many may not have, a fax machine
16 that most do not have, or a drive to a
17 registrar's office that many will not be able to
18 make.
19 This is not a right or left tissue. These
20 are people from our greatest generation and span
21 all political ideologies. They fought in wars
22 for our country. They've lived through Jim Crow
23 and immigration. They fought for the right to
24 vote besides others who died for that right.
25 They deserve better and I am asking that this
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1 board and this state provide them better access
2 to the ballot box in 2022 and future elections.
3 Thank you for your time.
5 Next speaker?
6 MS. HAISTY: Our next speaker is Larry
7 LeSueur.
8 MR. MASHBURN: Larry LeSueur, you should be
9 unmuted.
10 MR. LESUEUR: Yes. Hello. My name is Larry
11 LeSueur. I live in Cherokee County. And I just
12 presented a list of questions regarding
13 statistics for the voting fraud cases that is
14 currently being handled by the secretary of state
15 and turned over by the state election board.
16 I actually was not expecting to speak. I
17 just presented these data points I'm looking for.
18 And I'm wondering if we can't get information as
19 to the total number of cases that have been
20 turned over to the attorney general and what we
21 can expect to hear back from the disposition of
22 those cases.
23 There's lots of talk about and legislation
24 being passed that supposedly address these
25 issues, but no one has any statistics that they
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1 can provide, such as where these voter fraud
2 cases occurred, were they stopped. We have voter
3 fraud cases that made it to the ballot box. Did
4 they -- were there actual votes cast that were
5 fraudulent? Were they stopped before they could
6 vote? Were these people stopped after they
7 registered or before they registered? Without
8 this information, we can't make informed
9 decisions as to how we address the problems and
10 how we make the system better.
11 There's one case that was on the secretary
12 of state's website. Bill Price, who was in
13 Florida, caught on camera, conspiring to travel
14 and convince others to travel to Georgia just to
15 vote in the special election in 2021. I still
16 haven't heard anything about the disposition of
17 that case either.
18 But in -- the last thing I want to note is
19 without this information, it's just impossible to
20 make an informed decision as to how well the
21 system is working or it's not working. There's
22 an old adage for carpenters: Measure twice, cut
23 once. And what we're seeing now is that we
24 haven't even measured and people are trying to
25 make decisions on how to change the system and
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1 it's obviously going to be problematic down the
2 road.
3 Thank you.
5 Our next speaker?
6 MS. HAISTY: Our next speaker is Sally
7 Larrick.
8 MR. MASHBURN: Sally Larrick, you should be
9 unmuted.
10 MS. LARRICK: Hello. Good morning. My name
11 is Sally Larrick. I'm a resident of DeKalb
12 County. Thank you for giving me the opportunity
13 to speak this morning.
14 I'm a citizen concerned about the access to
15 voting for all voters in Georgia, in all hundred
16 and fifty-nine counties. I believe the state
17 election board should spend its valuable time
18 making sure that every county has the resources
19 it needs to administer elections instead of
20 threatening to take away local control of
21 elections in Fulton County.
22 Please focus on supporting all county boards
23 of elections to enable all of their voters to
24 cast ballots. Please focus on ensuring voter
25 access to elections in Georgia.
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1 Thank you.
3 The next speaker?
4 MS. HAISTY: Our next speaker is Latonia
5 Jenkins.
6 You should be able to unmute yourself now.
7 MR. MASHBURN: Proceed.
8 MS. JENKINS: Oh, good morning. My name is
9 Latonia Jenkins. I'm a resident of Gwinnett
10 County.
11 The state election board should be focused
12 on ensuring the resources and support needed to
13 enable every eligible registered voter to
14 exercise their freedom to vote. And as mentioned
15 by earlier members, they said open, fair, and
16 transparent and guarding the election process.
17 But here, instead of helping the counties,
18 it -- to prepare for the primary general
19 election, it appears we're entertaining a
20 performance review board in Fulton County, which
21 is the county with the most voters of color,
22 registered voters of color.
23 So whatever you recommend, we encourage
24 that.
25 MS. HAISTY: It supports counties like
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1 Fulton in their endeavor to run free and fair
2 elections. And we hope that you will focus your
3 time and energy ensuring every one of the hundred
4 and fifty-nine counties have the resources they
5 need to enable every voter to exercise their
6 freedom to vote in the 2022 elections.
7 Thank you.
9 The next speaker?
10 MS. HAISTY: Our next speaker is Jane
11 Mezoff.
12 MR. MASHBURN: Please proceed. You should
13 ...
14 MS. MEZOFF: Can you --
15 MS. HAISTY: You should be able to unmute --
16 MS. MEZOFF: -- hear me?
17 MS. HAISTY: -- yourself now. Yes.
19 MS. MEZOFF: Great. Good morning. My name
20 is Jane Mezoff and I've been a resident and a
21 voter in DeKalb County for twenty-seven years.
22 I've also never made public comment before 2022,
23 but I think it's really important that all of us
24 get involved.
25 I would like to begin by thanking you and
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1 saying welcome to the two new board members. I
2 want to thank you all for everything you've done
3 and everything that you're going to be doing to
4 help keep our democracy safe and secure.
5 I would like to take issue with one thing
6 that an earlier commenters said. It's not a
7 right or left issue. It's not Democrat or
8 Republican. It's American, it's democracy, and
9 it's important.
10 So I'd just like to say I'm commenting today
11 because, as others have mentioned, I'm concerned
12 about this issue of a performance review board.
13 I think, as others have mentioned, we -- we are
14 all concerned about the fact that it's targeting
15 Fulton County, which, as everyone has pointed
16 out, is one of the most diverse counties in terms
17 of registered voters in the state. Whatever the
18 Fulton review board ends up doing, I encourage
19 the state election board to support counties in
20 Georgia that are striving to run free and fair
21 elections. And I strongly urge you not to fall
22 prey to attempts to make you a partisan obstacle
23 that is fueled by the big lie about the election
24 of 2020 being unfair.
25 I urge the state election board to do
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1 everything it can and use all of its energy and
2 resources to ensure that every single registered
3 voter has the opportunity to exercise this most
4 precious right. It matters not -- it matters now
5 more than ever.
6 Thank you. I appreciate it.
8 Next speaker?
9 MS. HAISTY: Our next speaker is Daniela
10 Sullivan-Marzahl.
11 You should be allowed to unmute now.
12 MS. SULLIVAN-MARZAHL: Hi. I'm a chaplain.
13 Can you hear me?
14 MR. MASHBURN: We can hear you. We can hear
15 you.
16 MS. SULLIVAN-MARZAHL: I'm a chaplain and I
17 hear many things. And I'm definitely praying for
18 this election and all that you're doing.
19 My family came out of the Holocaust. And
20 one of the things that I have to say is that they
21 always warned me about politicians and keeping
22 people accountable. So what I want to encourage
23 you as a board to do -- and I think you're trying
24 to do it -- is to hold people accountable.
25 Because one of the things that really bothers me
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1 is what is happening to the all of the evidence.
2 I heard Patrick Witt has a computer with
3 1600 documents on it that nobody has seen because
4 of death threats. My husband worked with
5 Homeland Security and just retired; I know death
6 threats are real. And nobody's talking about
7 that.
8 I also know with the propaganda that Hitler
9 did that the media twisted a lot of things. And
10 people later said, well, if we would've just
11 known. People were blinded.
12 So what I want to encourage you as a board
13 to do is to restore the integrity to the
14 elections. Because people shouldn't be afraid if
15 you look at stuff if it's not there. You know,
16 if there's no sin, you don't have to be
17 concerned. But if there is sin, you need to ask
18 God's forgiveness because we are one nation under
19 God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for
20 all.
21 This isn't a partisan-fueled issue. It's an
22 issue of concern. And it happens around the
23 world. And now it's happening in America because
24 we have changed. And are we still doing in God
25 we trust? I am. I think a lot of people are.
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1 So I'm trusting that God will use you to uncover
2 what's out there. And if people are being
3 threatened with their lives and politicians are
4 afraid that they're going to get killed, you need
5 to take a look at that because Hitler bumped
6 people off when they disagreed with him.
7 So things haven't changed in history. We're
8 going through things right now in the world and
9 we all know that bullies are bullies. So what we
10 need to do is get back to the heart of the
11 matter.
12 So I applaud you for having the guts to have
13 both sides come together and look at this issue.
14 But I really pray that you do because the
15 feedback I'm getting from everybody is they don't
16 even want to vote because they don't think their
17 vote matters. And that doesn't matter whether
18 you're a person of color --
20 MS. SULLIVAN-MARZAHL: -- or a person who's
21 voting, you know?
22 (Timer sounds)
23 MS. SULLIVAN-MARZAHL: That it's the --
25 Thank you for your comment.
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1 MS. SULLIVAN-MARZAHL: So thank you.
3 Thank you.
4 MS. SULLIVAN-MARZAHL: God bless you.
5 MR. MASHBURN: Who's our next speaker?
6 MS. HAISTY: Our next speaker is Sonia Frix.
8 MR. MASHBURN: Sonia Frix, please proceed.
9 MS. FRIX: Thank you. I've -- I'm nervous.
10 My concerns are --
11 MR. MASHBURN: Don't need to be nervous.
12 MS. FRIX: Well, my concerns are primarily
13 about people with disabilities, the elderly, and
14 caregivers and shift workers because that's my
15 family. And I'm concerned that disabled voters
16 are not going to have time to get -- if there's a
17 problem with their mail-in ballot, they're not
18 going to have time to get that mail-in ballot
19 corrected before -- before the cutoff date.
20 And I'm also concerned that -- I'm also
21 concerned that -- well, let me put it this way.
22 I heard gov -- that Governor Kemp -- under these
23 new rules, Governor Kemp would not have been able
24 to vote in the last election because he got sick.
25 And if our own governor can't vote in an
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1 election, that's telling us something isn't
2 working right. I mean our governor needs to be
3 able to vote. And if we've got laws such that
4 the governor can't vote, what's that saying about
5 the rest of us? That's just not right.
6 And I live in DeKalb County. And I hear
7 that Fulton County's going under some kind of
8 election review. And I'm concerned if Fulton
9 County goes under review, DeKalb County's going
10 to be next. All my years of living in DeKalb, I
11 have never been concerned about my vote. I have
12 always had confidence in my vote in DeKalb
13 County.
14 And I'm wondering who is going to pay for
15 all of this. As a taxpayer, I do not want to
16 have to pay for this. And I would rather the
17 state spend its resources getting voter regis --
18 (Timer sounds)
19 MS. FRIX: -- getting voter education out
20 and -- about these --
22 MS. FRIX: -- new voting rules.
23 MR. MASHBURN: Thank you. Thank you for
24 your comment. Thank you.
25 Next speaker?
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1 MS. HAISTY: Our next speaker is Kyle
2 Carter.
4 MR. MASHBURN: Kyle Carter, please proceed.
5 MR. CARTER: Hello? Can you hear me?
6 MR. MASHBURN: Yes, we can hear you. Please
7 proceed.
8 MR. CARTER: Yeah. Hello. Thank you. Good
9 morning, everybody. I'm a resident of Cobb
10 County. And my concerns are that, like, if there
11 is a -- a voter issue in Fulton County, I think
12 it's unfair to say that it's isolated in just
13 that one county.
14 If there is going to be a performance
15 review, it should be throughout all 159 counties.
16 And then it is a disservice to the rest of the
17 counties to not give them the ability to improve
18 their voting process.
19 Now, I do understand that this would be a --
20 a very thorough process. And for that reason, I
21 think with the upcoming elections, it is more
22 pressing to ensure that we have resources and
23 accessibility for all voters -- all voters across
24 the state of Georgia.
25 Thank you. Thank you.
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1 MR. MASHBURN: I thank you for your comment.
2 Next speaker?
3 MS. HAISTY: Our next speaker is John James.
4 MR. MASHBURN: John James, you should be
5 unmuted. Please proceed. John James? Be sure
6 you've unmuted yourself, please. John James?
7 MR. CROSS: Sorry. Sorry. I apologize.
9 MR. CROSS: I don't --
11 proceed.
12 MR. CROSS: I don't know why I said John
13 James. My name is David Cross. I'm a resident
14 of Gwinnett County and I'm part of a team,
15 working in support of Voter GA, investigating the
16 2020 election -- general election in Fulton
17 County.
18 Contrary to public opinion about the big lie
19 and the unwitting blind trust of the public, our
20 findings so far have revealed so many errors in
21 Fulton County that the vote count cannot be
22 replicated with any of Fulton County's data.
23 For instance, Fulton County deleted 374,000
24 ballot images, which is a violation of election
25 procedure and publishable by state law with a
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1 fine of $100,000 per ballot image.
2 Fulton County is also missing security files
3 for over 511,000 ballot images that authenticate
4 nearly every vote cast.
5 Last, Fulton County recently provided our
6 group with tabulator tapes that were not signed
7 for over 311,000 advance votes, another violation
8 of election procedure.
9 I truly appreciate the board members
10 volunteering their time. I know it's a thankless
11 effort sometimes. And I hope you'll take the
12 citizens' complaints and requests for
13 investigation seriously and follow through with
14 reviewing the facts that show the processes and
15 procedures were willfully ignored.
16 Our goal is the same as yours. Not to
17 hinder voters but to secure election integrity
18 and protect our Democratic Republic.
19 Thank you.
21 MS. HAISTY: That's our last speaker.
22 MR. MASHBURN: That completes the public
23 comment portion of our agenda.
24 And at this time, we will move to an update
25 on rulemaking by Ryan Germany.
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1 Mr. Germany, please go ahead.
2 MR. GERMANY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This
3 is Ryan Germany from the secretary of state's
4 office. We wanted to give a quick update to the
5 board on rulemaking procedures as we get into
6 this election year. We did some rule updates
7 last year as y'all remember regarding SB202.
8 I believe there's still some updates and
9 clarifications that could be made to help ensure
10 that the voting process this year goes well. The
11 process that we have in place is we have a rules
12 working group that consists of some board
13 members, some county election officials, some
14 members of the secretary of state's staff. And
15 we have tried to work out language in that group
16 and then bring it to the board for posting and
17 for public comment and then for adoption after
18 that.
19 So the types of rules that we're looking at
20 are rules regarding -- there's a requirement in
21 SB202 to use security paper for ballots, which
22 was something that I think we were looking at
23 doing anyway. And we've been working with the
24 system vendor on security paper. But I think
25 it'd be helpful for counties as well as the
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1 public to -- you know, if we can kind of define
2 what -- what exactly that paper is going to be
3 like -- of course, you know, not in a way that, I
4 think, the security -- parts of that paper were
5 no longer copyable, but that -- so the people can
6 know what -- what exactly we're dealing with.
7 And that -- that's -- I think that's
8 something we should take up with the working
9 group, plus verifying reconciliation and
10 canvassing procedures that really occur after
11 elections. We want to make sure that counties
12 are doing those procedures that are -- that are
13 not new, that have been in law, frankly, for a
14 long time, but to make sure that that's being
15 handled in a way that's transparent and
16 consistent throughout the state.
17 I think another thing we're going to see
18 this year that we'll probably see to or that
19 we've seen in the past is poll watchers. You
20 know, I think this year everyone kind of knows
21 that Georgia is going to have a close and
22 high-profile election. So both parties should be
23 interested in making sure that they are taking
24 advantage of their poll watcher program that the
25 law allows. But as that happens, then we've got
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1 to make sure that it works for, one, the poll
2 watchers can have appropriate access and, two,
3 that the election officials are able to do their
4 duties safely, without interference.
5 So we want -- kind of think the rules to
6 help -- to help clarify that would be helpful.
7 Then I think we'll also probably see some
8 rules regarding the absentee ballot process as --
9 as we implement the requirements of SB202.
10 And I would say to the people who are here,
11 if there's other things or particular rules that
12 we should be looking at, please let us know --
13 let the secretary of state's office know -- and
14 then we can add those to the agenda for things we
15 should be looking at.
16 And so finally, on rulemaking, I think we do
17 want to have rules in place prior to the May
18 primary, which is May 24th. So that really means
19 from a timing perspective we need to bring some
20 rules next month to the board. And that's what
21 we're working on doing. I do think we'll
22 probably have to continue to work on rules and
23 change rules, even though these are posted or
24 adopted, throughout the year, as we kind of see
25 how they're working with what we need to adjust
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1 to. But I think as to the rules, at least we'll
2 get them posted. So then we can have an idea of
3 the things that we're looking at for this year.
4 Happy to take any questions, Mr. Chair.
5 MR. MASHBURN: Any comments or questions
6 from the board for Mr. Germany?
7 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah, I guess I do just in
8 terms of the timetable that we have. If you
9 could sort of help us for those of us that are
10 new to the board. You've got to post it for so
11 much time frame before we can actually vote on
12 it. What's the time frame? When can we expect
13 this to be posted so it can make the -- May 24th
14 is only two months away. And, you know, all
15 these counties have got to be set up and ready
16 based on those rules. So just if you could help
17 me out with that.
18 MR. GERMANY: So the process for the rules
19 we promulgate follow the process set out in the
20 Administrative Procedure Act. And the first part
21 is posting rules for public comment. So we would
22 bring rules and present rules to the board to
23 post for public comment.
24 At that point, they have to be posted for
25 thirty days. We had another meeting thirty days
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1 later to vote to adopt the rules. And what we've
2 done in the past when we've been in these
3 situations is we hear public comment and a lot of
4 times we get some good public comments, like, oh,
5 we should change some language to fix it.
6 And what we've done in the past that I think
7 has worked is we'll adopt the rule that we posted
8 so it's in place. And the public comment is
9 usually, you know, kind of a minor change to that
10 rule. And then we -- and then you vote at the
11 same time to post that amended rule. And then
12 you have to come back thirty days later and adopt
13 that amended rule.
14 So it is -- I do envision this being a
15 throughout-the-year process. And then after --
16 after we go to adopt it, it's effective twenty
17 days later. So I think, you know, a lot of these
18 of rules would not be, you know, quote, unquote,
19 effective for the primary.
20 But the idea was to get the counties and the
21 parties and everyone involved. Here are the
22 rules that are going to be in place and, you
23 know, they essentially have been passed. They'll
24 go ahead and follow them to the best of their
25 ability. And then we can learn from them to see
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1 if we need to -- to adjust anything. We'll have
2 a May primary, a June runoff thirty days after
3 the May primary -- or twenty-eight days after the
4 May primary. And then, of course, a November
5 election and then a -- potentially a December
6 runoff as well.
7 MR. MASHBURN: Ryan, that jogged something
8 in my mind in that we do constantly adjust and
9 constantly look at things or how things are
10 working. And one thing that we had started with,
11 but we didn't have enough time to get it done
12 before a previous election was the introduction
13 of pictograms on some of the ballots that were to
14 tell the voter don't -- you know, fill in the
15 circle, don't put "x" marks and things like that.
16 So if I could just get that on the top, back
17 on the agenda, I'd like to -- for us to look at
18 that again and get that back on the top, top of
19 the stack if we could. Because I thought we had
20 some really good proposals that we were looking
21 at and we were up against some time frames. So
22 --
23 MR. GERMANY: For what -- for, like, what
24 the -- instructions on absentee ballots?
25 MR. MASHBURN: Yeah, correct. Yeah,
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1 correct.
2 So thank you for that report. Y'all do a
3 great service to the people of Georgia and we
4 appreciate all of the hard work that goes on
5 behind-the-scenes every day, all day long. So
6 thank you for that.
7 You don't get any respite, though, because
8 the next item on the agenda is the update of the
9 Fulton County Performance Review Board -- or
10 panel.
11 And Ryan Germany is also is on that panel.
12 So I ask for an update on that.
13 MR. GERMANY: Certainly, Mr. Chairman.
14 There's not much of an update to give on the
15 performance review. The goal, when we started,
16 was to have it completed by the end of the last
17 calendar. I think we all knew that was an
18 aggressive goal.
19 But the reason it was a goal is because we
20 knew -- or I knew once the calendar year started
21 and the legislature came back and we had other
22 kind of litigation items the agenda, it'd be very
23 hard to continue to complete that process.
24 So that is potentially what happened is we
25 -- I say "we," it's really me who's been sort of
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1 caught up with other duties. And so we
2 have observed the municipal elections last year,
3 conducted interviews of Fulton staff. We had
4 additional interviews to conduct of Fulton staff
5 and other people as well who have things they
6 want to share with us about Fulton County
7 elections.
8 And so we hope to finalize that quickly.
9 And I would say before the May primary would be a
10 new goal so that we can bring that to you guys --
11 to the board for -- for then the board to
12 consider.
13 MR. MASHBURN: Well, again, I thank you for
14 your hard work in that regard.
15 Any questions or comments from the board?
16 Well, we thank you. We thank you for all of
17 the hard work that you and your panel put in on
18 that.
19 At this time, the agenda moves to
20 investigations and reports. And so I'll just ask
21 the board, does anyone need a ten-minute break or
22 ready to press on. It's kind of a nice breaking
23 point if anybody needs a break, but I think we'll
24 press on. Okay.
25 So we begin with the investigation reports.
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1 And the first one on the calendar that I -- oh,
2 we've got the consent cases. And just to
3 familiarize the new members of the board to this,
4 we normally take the consent cases as a block.
5 But if the board members want to pull a
6 particular one out to discuss it in particular,
7 they're free to do so. And otherwise they're
8 usually handled as a block.
9 But I'm informed -- nope, we don't have any
10 continuances. So at this point, I'll entertain a
11 motion regarding the consent cases.
12 MRS. GHAZAL: I move to consider them as a
13 block, but I also think it would be helpful to
14 explain what a consent case means. Not just for
15 the folks here at the table but for other people
16 who are listening. Because when they see the
17 agenda and see the complaints here, it can be
18 very confusing to folks who don't understand the
19 language.
20 MR. MASHBURN: I think that's an excellent
21 suggestion and we have Charlene McGowan of the
22 attorney general's office who negotiates consent
23 orders among her many duties. If she'd like to
24 give an overview of --
25 MRS. GHAZAL: Not the cases --
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1 MR. MASHBURN: Not a particular case, but
2 how --
3 MRS. GHAZAL: -- per se, but what does it
4 mean. What does a consent case mean?
5 MS. MCGOWAN: So if we're talking about the
6 consent cases that the secretary of state's
7 investigative division is presenting, these are
8 cases where the secretary of state's office
9 investigative division have investigated the
10 complaint that was received by the office and
11 made a determination that no violation of the
12 elections code has occurred.
13 When we were talking about consent cases
14 presented by the attorney general's office, those
15 are cases where the board previously voted to
16 refer the case over to the attorney general's
17 office because they determined that there was
18 probable cause a violation has occurred.
19 And those cases where I'm presenting a
20 consent order, then the attorney general's office
21 has negotiated a resolution by agreement with the
22 respondent that was referred to our office for
23 any election code violation.
24 DR. JOHNSTON: I have a question about a
25 case.
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1 MR. MASHBURN: Dr. Johnston, well, let's --
2 hang on just a second and I'll -- and I'll
3 recognize you in just a second.
4 I think Charlene very gently was able to
5 correct me that she doesn't do the consent cases,
6 that her -- but I appreciate her kindness
7 directed toward the chair.
8 But thank you for that explanation.
9 She did a good job with it.
10 MRS. GHAZAL: Absolutely. And that is
11 exactly my point so that people who are listening
12 and seeing the agenda understand that while some
13 of the words on the agenda look alarming, the
14 point that the invest -- these have all been
15 investigated and no violations have actually been
16 found in these cases.
17 So I move that we consider them as a block.
18 MR. MASHBURN: Let's -- I put Dr. Johnston
19 on hold. So let me let her ask her question
20 first.
21 DR. JOHNSTON: So, yes. So are these the
22 consent orders from --
23 MR. MASHBURN: No, that was my mistake. I
24 confused everybody, confusing consent cases and
25 consent orders. So these are the consent cases
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1 from the secretary of state's investigative
2 office.
3 DR. JOHNSTON: No question.
4 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. Thank you.
5 So now we're --
6 MRS. GHAZAL: Yes. And I --
7 MR. MASHBURN: I appreciate everybody's
8 patience with the chair as I mumbled my way
9 through this. But thank you.
10 So now we're ready for Mrs. Ghazal's motion.
11 MRS. GHAZAL: Yes.
12 MR. MASHBURN: And your motion is to --
13 MRS. GHAZAL: I move that we accept the
14 investigations as a block.
15 MR. MASHBURN: There's been a motion to
16 approve the consent cases from the secretary of
17 state's investigators as a block. Is there a
18 second?
19 MR. LINDSEY: There is a second from me.
20 And I think it's worth letting the folks who are
21 online know that these were matters that were
22 sent to the board members prior to give us a
23 chance to review them to take a vote on it. I
24 just -- I think I just wanted the folks who are
25 listening in to know that and that we have
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1 reviewed those prior to the hearing.
2 MR. MASHBURN: There's a motion and a
3 second. Discussion? No discussion.
4 Is the board ready to vote? Okay. All
5 those in favor say aye.
8 Motion passes unanimously to adopt the consent
9 cases as a block.
10 The next thing on the agenda is new cases.
11 With regard to new cases, SEB case number
12 2021-129, DeKalb County, has been continued based
13 on a notice issue. So that's been continued.
14 So we move to SEB case number 2021-181.
15 MR. CALLAWAY: Yes, sir. Thank you,
16 Mr. Chairman, members of the board.
17 SEB 2021-181, Fulton County, data review.
18 The complaint was that there was a report of
19 errors in risk-limiting audit numbers uploaded
20 from Fulton County elections to the Georgia
21 Secretary of State.
22 We conducted an investigation using two of
23 our investigators with our office. We reviewed
24 the findings of the complaints and there was
25 thirty-six issues and there was numerous examples
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1 of human error while inputting data into the Arlo
2 open source software system. But there was no
3 evidence discovered to suggest criminal behavior.
4 I believe the errors were due to batch sheet
5 being entered twice under different headings.
6 And at this time, we're going to do
7 something a little different. Instead of me
8 sitting here, reading finding, finding, finding,
9 we're going to have the actual investigators that
10 worked the case tell you here today what their
11 findings were and go through the case that they
12 worked.
13 So Investigator Braun and Investigator
14 Zagorin.
15 MR. MASHBURN: Any objections? Without
16 objection, that's how we'll do it.
17 Please proceed.
18 MR. ZAGORIN: I'm Investigator Vincent
19 Zagorin, Georgia Secretary of State's Office. So
20 we -- when this complaint came in, we had to look
21 at all the batch sheets that were listed online
22 in the system. There was four or five different
23 dropdowns we had to go into. None of these were
24 in order. Nothing was in order by scanner or by
25 batch sheet. There might be a scanner 1, let's
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1 say, that had, like, five or six in row 20
2 through 26, but then it would jump to 200 or then
3 it would jump to a completely different scanner.
4 We had to go through and kind of figure all this
5 out.
6 So when I went through from the complaint
7 that was submitted -- so, for instance -- there's
8 a way you can follow. I don't know if you guys
9 have a copy of this. They're in this white book.
10 There is a copy of these sheets.
11 The first one on there was absentee scanner
12 3 and scanner 1 both had batch 111s. What
13 happened was it showed that scanner 3, batch 111
14 was entered twice. We can go to that page. It's
15 in the section that's marked 3-B and 3-C on the
16 little tab. In the next, like, three pages over,
17 you'll find out where I'm at.
18 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. Everybody -- everybody
19 caught up?
20 Okay. Please proceed.
21 MR. ZAGORIN: If you look at this, it says
22 absentee scanner 3, batch 111 is in there twice.
23 So when I looked at this and we found this, I was
24 able to determine that the first one, the scanner
25 3, batch 111, was actually scanner 1. So once I
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1 started going through this and figured it out, I
2 looked at it as if you had each scanner lined up
3 in a row and every batch, from one to whatever
4 the bottom number is, they all had different
5 amounts, 320 or (indiscernible).
6 So in scanner 3, you would've had two batch
7 111s but you wouldn't've had a 111 in scanner 1.
8 So you would've been able to conclude that one of
9 those should be moved over to scanner 1 as you go
10 down the list. So there were some that were like
11 that.
12 There was another one in here -- put it in
13 the right order -- if you go next to the last two
14 pages in this section, it's be scanner 1 dash 97,
15 second to the last page. That was one that I
16 located pretty quickly. When you look at that,
17 there's two scanner 1s, number 97. However we
18 pulled the batch sheet, one of them was actually
19 number 47. And the four was written kind of
20 oddly, so the person thought it was 97.
21 So once again, just going down the list,
22 there'd be two in the 97 spot. You have to take
23 one of those out and move it to the 47 spot. So
24 now it's starting to -- to fall into place. So
25 there was that issue with some of these where
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1 they were just put in the wrong section.
2 If you go back to the beginning and flip the
3 page, it'll have scanner 1, batch 18 is entered
4 twice. And it was entered twice because if you
5 look at the top part in the section, it says --
6 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Let's back up.
7 MR. ZAGORIN: Back to the beginning?
8 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yes. Eighty-three --
9 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: No, three of four,
10 okay.
11 MR. ZAGORIN: So the first was entered as
12 absentee scanner 1, batch 18. That's all written
13 out. The next one was entered scanner 1, batch
14 18. So the system did not catch that. So they
15 were entered. It was a -- an enter error, but if
16 you look at it, where someone had typed it all
17 the way out, and the next person probably
18 thought, "I'm not going to type all that," so
19 they abbreviated it. The system didn't catch it.
20 Arlo is aware of that and there's ways to
21 fix that, but at the time it wasn't found. So
22 that's how that one -- those were handled.
23 We had a few -- the next one, page 4, she
24 has the same issue: One printed out, one is
25 abbreviated. So there was a few of those that
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1 are like that in there. Just like the other
2 ones, they were just put in the wrong spot.
3 Then the other issue that came up was -- if
4 you go to page -- I guess it would be page 5
5 is -- so it shows a hundred for Candidate A and
6 zero for Candidate B, which the way the specifics
7 work, regardless of what part of the state you're
8 in, you're not going to have completely a hundred
9 or two hundred for one candidate.
10 So the county said what could've happened is
11 they took the batch and they divided it by
12 candidate and then they just scanned it by
13 candidate. So somewhere in here we would have
14 the other candidate with numbers that would be a
15 hundred to zero the other way, which we do in one
16 of these sections.
17 But those do not match -- those batch sheets
18 do not match what this complainant went in and
19 looked at and actually said that they looked at.
20 They don't match. So there really isn't a
21 determination on was someone just rushed for time
22 or did they just put a hundred and moved on. And
23 that looks like what could've happened here.
24 But, like I said, that did happen both ways. You
25 know, maybe if you go over to page 7 -- or no --
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1 yeah. So page 7's the same, where it did that.
2 Now, there was one that wasn't in here that
3 I found myself where Candidate B had in the
4 neighborhood of 230 to nothing, going the other
5 way. And the complainant told us: We found that
6 but we didn't add it in here. So to me, if I'm
7 looking at this objectively and I have to look at
8 everything, it has to go both ways. You can't
9 just play this where it helps one side and you
10 see something else on the other side and leave it
11 out. So that was -- kind of got our attention.
12 Then if you continue through this, there is
13 page 8. The same one is entered twice, but I had
14 found where the first one was actually scanner 1,
15 batch 210. So that was going to the scanner 1,
16 it wouldn't have been part of scanner 2. So this
17 scanner 2, 237 was actually correct.
18 Some of the other ones, the number were off
19 just a little bit. With 238, those numbers were
20 off. You know, on here it has candidate -- and
21 one of the candidates, 2259 and zero. It was
22 actually four and forty-nine is what the numbers
23 would've been. But even on -- for the batch she
24 showed, but even on there -- well, the
25 complainant found those numbers were a little bit
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1 off.
2 The next one, page 10, the top one's going
3 to be a different batch or scanner. At the
4 bottom one, we were able to find the match of two
5 two forty.
6 So I don't know if there's anything in here
7 that's different from those three different
8 scenarios where they just had the different --
9 oh, this was interesting too.
10 So number 12, so number 12 is a -- there's
11 two of these in here that showed several
12 different batches and then one total here.
13 MR. MASHBURN: Are you on -- I'm sorry to
14 interrupt you. Are you on page 12 or
15 inconsistency 12?
16 MR. ZAGORIN: So twelve of forty.
17 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. Page 12. Okay. Thank
18 you. I'm sorry to interrupt.
19 MR. ZAGORIN: No worry. So the totals at
20 the bottom are correct. But the problem is when
21 they show their work on how they got there. So
22 if you look -- like, it says number 243. At the
23 top, it shows seven ninety and one. At the
24 bottom, it shows twenty-one seventy-three and
25 two. Like I said, the bottom numbers all match.
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1 They all get to the right total at the bottom.
2 It's just the numbers in between for some reason
3 don't match. So I don't know how they got the
4 correct number at the bottom but the numbers were
5 wrong in individual batches.
6 And there's a couple different ones -- those
7 are in here -- that did the same thing, where the
8 totals always matched, just the numbers in
9 between didn't match. Like, some of them where
10 they would do -- like, it shows two -- 244 to 249
11 and it has the numbers which match the numbers at
12 the bottom. They just didn't add the 243 in
13 there. Once you added 243, it would've corrected
14 it and it's lined up properly.
15 So, like I said, the total number was
16 correct, just when they showed their work it was
17 off. We couldn't figure out how they put the
18 number wrong at the top and got it right at the
19 bottom.
20 So that was all the different -- like I
21 said, each one of these basically has one of
22 those three different scenarios of what went
23 wrong. Either it was entered wrong because they
24 didn't fill it out and do it the same way -- they
25 didn't put absentee scanner instead of AB scanner
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1 or they went to a different batch than what they
2 showed -- and you could -- you can show that and
3 find those.
4 Like I said, on the totals, the ones that
5 had the big totals, they were all -- they matched
6 even though the other numbers didn't.
7 And then there was -- I believe there was
8 one where they inverted the numbers. They
9 inverted Candidate C. In Candidate B, they --
10 they just inverted those numbers. You can see
11 where the numbers were inverted. So if you
12 switched them over, it wasn't really a major
13 thing.
14 But most of it was the data entry and when
15 they -- they put it in. So you can see where the
16 issues were on all of these.
17 Any questions on anything?
18 MR. MASHBURN: Questions from the board?
19 MRS. GHAZAL: I don't have any questions,
20 but I have grateful thanks that you were able to
21 spend the amount of time it must've taken to sort
22 through this and understand it. And I appreciate
23 you spelling it out so clearly. I understand
24 exactly what you're saying and what happened
25 here. I don't think I could have come to these
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1 conclusions. So I appreciate everything that
2 you've put into this.
3 MR. ZAGORIN: (indiscernible)
4 DR. JOHNSTON: So I have a question. How
5 much off were these numbers when you looked at
6 all of this again?
7 MR. ZAGORIN: I just looked at these that
8 were sent in in the complaint. Like I said, a
9 few time I would find others that I would stumble
10 across it. But I didn't pull those into this.
11 But I didn't go back through to take out the
12 ones that were in there twice and try to figure
13 out exactly what the number was. But I could
14 tell what the issue was. I could that, like I
15 said, 97 wasn't in there twice; it was actually
16 97 and 47. Then the ones that were in there
17 twice, I didn't sit there and write out the --
18 the specific number. I didn't go that far with
19 this.
20 MR. LINDSEY: Well, my comment actually is
21 going to echo some of the public comments that
22 we've heard. Some of the public comments in
23 which they expressed concern on the resources,
24 being how people voted rather than helping out at
25 the next election. And it would be helpful if
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1 our local county folks had a consistent entry
2 system so that we would not -- so when citizens
3 have a reasonable complaint when they see these
4 inconsistencies that we do not have to devote as
5 many man-hours -- and I don't even want to think
6 about how many man-hours you had to devote to
7 these.
8 And so it sort of goes to the importance of
9 getting our local counties -- employees trained
10 properly so that there is a consistency out there
11 so that, you know, when citizens understandably
12 go in and do a review, that we don't come up with
13 these kind of issues that then come to the board
14 for a complaint and they'll be used for an
15 investigation.
16 And so we need to figure out a way to
17 rectify that. This is the sort of thing -- you
18 know, I'm sitting there, writing down various
19 things as you go along: Inconsistent entry and
20 garbage in, garbage out. I'm not a computer
21 expert but I do remember that from my computer
22 classes. And we need to figure out a way to get
23 our local county folks to be able to enter things
24 consistently so that others can have confidence
25 in the outcome and we don't have to devote
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1 resources that you're having to devote to kind of
2 untangle when you have a simply entry problem.
3 MR. ZAGORIN: There was one other issue that
4 came up with the system. I think Ryan Germany
5 was going to address that.
6 MR. GERMANY: Well, yes. Thanks, Ed.
7 Additionally as part of the investigation, we
8 looked at not just what -- what Zagorin just --
9 Investigator Zagorin just went through but trying
10 to look at the context of where these occurred.
11 As part of that, we, of course, talked to --
12 to Fulton County, and they're here. And also, a
13 Mr. Rossi, the complainant, is here and I know
14 would like to address the board after the
15 investigator's presentation.
16 But we also reached out to Voting Works, who
17 they assisted Georgia in implementing our audit
18 procedures. And software that was used is a
19 software called Arlo that Voting Works utilizes.
20 You guys remember that a full hand count was
21 not, I think, completely contemplated in our
22 audit. It was a risk-limiting audit. It's
23 supposed to be a review of -- of basically
24 particular ballots and you compare them to see
25 what the machine count is. And then there's a
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1 formula that comes up with how many you have to
2 review to reach a statistical confidence level.
3 And I'm already getting outside of my area.
4 But the problem is if the result is so close,
5 the -- the number of ballots you have to pull
6 individually becomes so large, that it's --
7 frankly, you just have to look at every ballot.
8 It's actually more manageable.
9 And so we had to -- with the result being so
10 close and the secretary determining that he
11 wanted to audit the presidential election, which,
12 of course, would be the closest results, then we
13 had to move to a full hand count. And we also
14 put in a time in. So you've got to be done
15 counting by this time. We actually had to extend
16 that time by twenty-four hours so that Fulton
17 County could finish -- finish their audit because
18 as has been pointed out by multiple people today,
19 they have the -- the largest number of ballots in
20 the state.
21 And so I think what we -- we found a few
22 things kind of is what I'm getting at. One, that
23 time crunch, of course, contributed to that
24 Fulton County did not have -- and Voting Works
25 was working with every county. In other counties
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1 they had time to go back and do a -- you know,
2 essentially proofread their data entry and catch
3 mistakes.
4 Data entry mistakes happen. Whenever we've
5 got humans entering data, we're going to have
6 data entry mistakes. In a hand count, there's
7 going to be human error, not just in the count
8 but also in the data entry.
9 So Voting Works put out a couple things that
10 I think are relevant for you guys. One, that
11 these are the type of data entry issues that they
12 see in an audit. At Fulton County, the level was
13 higher because of that time crunch. They didn't
14 have time to do that kind of quality assurance
15 check that a lot of counties do.
16 But then, three, that the -- nothing that
17 they are seeing here changes the overall
18 conclusion in their minds of the audit, which is
19 to confirm the result. The audit is not meant to
20 get the exact same count. In fact, that would
21 not be expected. It's going to be -- the whole
22 point is to confirm, though, the -- the winner
23 won and that they've -- and Voting Works saw
24 nothing here that would change that conclusion,
25 the -- of the audit in their minds.
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1 They also did mention that there were some,
2 I think -- they're making some improvements to
3 Arlo to kind of make these kind of data entry
4 errors lessen in the future. And so I believe, I
5 think, we will have that benefit in the future,
6 these improvements to Arlo. It had to do with
7 basically naming conventions and kind of not
8 allowing people to -- to double-enter these.
9 And what happened in Fulton is they
10 initially -- you want to have one person entering
11 all the data. That's ideal. In Fulton, we
12 have -- they can't do that. They don't --
13 they're not going to have the time. So they had
14 to bring another person in to enter data, at
15 least one more person. And when you have that,
16 that's when you start having maybe some confusion
17 about, hey, has this already been entered or has
18 this not been.
19 So I just wanted to provide that context
20 from Voting Works. And I do know that both
21 Mr. Rossi and Fulton County are here as well.
22 MR. MASHBURN: Questions from the board?
23 MRS. GHAZAL: Well, just while I definitely
24 appreciate that a hand count audit was not
25 anticipated, I think we need to look down the
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1 road and make sure that we do have proper
2 procedures in place for naming protocols so that
3 it's standardized.
4 And if -- if the Arlo platform can have
5 drop-down menus as opposed to having to hard key
6 things in, that could help prevent some of these
7 errors and just clean it up on the -- on the
8 front end.
9 And training beforehand, before literally on
10 the fly. I was there and saw how it was being
11 done and I admire how hard everybody worked to
12 make it work, but if we can prepare and
13 anticipate that we may come down to this again --
14 I hope to God we never do, but, you know, an
15 ounce of prevention and all of that.
16 So I think this board needs to be working on
17 that, looking down the road.
18 MR. GERMANY: And that's a good point. And
19 I should have something about that in the
20 rulemaking --
21 MRS. GHAZAL: Yeah.
22 MR. GERMANY: -- update. I think that's
23 something we need to look at in rules because the
24 main thing from Voting Works is in order to do
25 that, to have a drop-down menu, which they --
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1 they've actually -- they mentioned they've put in
2 extra tools in Arlo to have -- to prevent entry
3 of duplicate batches and flag missing batches. I
4 think --
5 MRS. GHAZAL: Yeah.
6 MR. GERMANY: -- both of which occurred
7 here. But in order to do that, you've got to
8 have a really good what they call ballot
9 manifest, which is where you're -- where you're
10 tracking that -- that stuff on the front end.
11 And so I think we can do things as a board, y'all
12 can do things as a board, to, you know -- the law
13 only requires the audit after the November
14 general election.
15 But I think the board can probably require
16 audits more often than that to help counties be
17 prepared for that audit, and especially the
18 ballot manifest. I think that should be done
19 every time. You know, the more -- the more time
20 someone does something, the better at it they'll
21 get. So I think that's another thing we should
22 look at from a rulemaking perspective.
23 MR. MASHBURN: I think you mentioned that
24 you were splitting your presentation between two
25 investigators. Is the other investigator
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2 MR. BRAUN: No.
3 MR. CALLAWAY: Mr. Braun, do you have
4 anything else to add?
5 MR. BRAUN: No.
6 MR. CALLAWAY: But if he doesn't have
7 anything else to add, we can ...
8 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. All right.
9 MR. CALLAWAY: So our recommendation from
10 investigations is to bind the case over to the
11 attorney general's office for SEB rule violation
12 183-1-15-.04(2)2, preparing for audits, when
13 Fulton County election employees and staff
14 misidentified and duplicated audit batch sheet
15 data when it was being entered into Arlo.
16 And that's going to be our recommendation to
17 the board.
18 MR. MASHBURN: And I believe you mentioned
19 Mr. Rossi is the complainant who would like to
20 speak on this topic.
21 MS. HAISTY: Yes. We have multiple people
22 who have signed up to speak to this case.
23 MR. MASHBURN: All right.
24 MS. HAISTY: First person who signed up to
25 speak is Lindsey Favero who should be able to
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1 unmute herself now.
2 MR. MASHBURN: Lindsey Favero?
3 MS. FAVERO: I am -- I --
4 MR. MASHBURN: Unmute and you can speak.
5 MS. FAVERO: I was signing --
6 MR. MASHBURN: Can you hear me?
7 THE BOARD MEMBERS: I was signing up for
8 public comment before, and I was -- I'm really
9 new to this so I didn't realize I accidentally
10 signed up for this part. So I don't have
11 anything to say. Thank you.
12 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
13 MS. HAISTY: All right. Next we have Joseph
14 Rossi and Jack James signed up. You'll have to
15 forgive me; there are multiple John James on the
16 list of attendees. So I'm unsure which one is
17 the correct one.
18 So please identify yourself.
19 MR. ROSSI: Okay.
20 MR. MASHBURN: This is Mr. Rossi?
21 MR. ROSSI: Yes. This is Joseph Rossi. Can
22 you hear me?
23 MR. MASHBURN: Yes, sir, we can hear you.
24 Go ahead.
25 MR. ROSSI: And I have attorney Jack James
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1 here with me. And he goes by John also, so ...
2 Well, wow, if you listen to the
3 investigators -- is it my time to speak now?
4 MR. MASHBURN: Hang on, Mr. Rossi.
5 Mr. Rossi, let me interrupt you for just a
6 second.
7 Is John James here as your attorney or is in
8 his private as a citizen?
9 (Audio interference)
10 MR. MASHBURN: Or -- we're trying to unmute
11 you.
12 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr. Chair?
13 MR. MASHBURN: Just a second. We're having
14 a little technical difficulty. Hello?
15 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I think it would be
16 better to handle Mr. Rossi first and get
17 Mr. James to figure out --
18 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. Yeah.
19 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: -- next.
20 MR. MASHBURN: Yeah. Is the problem on
21 Mr. James's end? If so, we'll let Mr. Rossi
22 proceed and then we'll let Mr. James speak after
23 Mr. Rossi.
24 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: He appears to have
25 left the stream.
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1 MR. MASHBURN: They -- are they going to
2 re-sign in probably?
3 MS. HAISTY: They're re-signing in.
4 We have Cheryl Ringer from Fulton County who
5 would like to speak.
6 MR. ROSSI: I'm on, if Mr. Rossi can speak.
7 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. Mr. Rossi, please go
8 ahead.
9 MR. ROSSI: Okay. Well, hopefully we get
10 ample time to share with you a lot of the
11 documents we have. And just to answer your
12 question up front, attorney Jack James is a
13 personal friend. He's not acting as my attorney
14 on this case.
15 But is it now time for us --
16 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. Thank you for that
17 clarification.
18 MR. ROSSI: Is it now time to present our
19 data?
20 MR. MASHBURN: The floor is yours.
21 MR. ROSSI: Thank you.
22 Wow. Listening to the inspectors, if your
23 head's not spinning from an accounting
24 standpoint, I don't know what would make it spin.
25 But before I introduce ourselves and go
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1 through our data, I just wanted to clarify one
2 thing. As we did and as they did a very thorough
3 job, but one of the comments he made was that we
4 did not go back and take care of both sides. And
5 I believe he referred to a number of 230s, the
6 zero was on the other side.
7 When we get to the report that I presented
8 to you, I will show you in Error 31, out of a
9 spirit of being factual, we did account for both
10 sides and I did go back. The actual number was
11 zero to one thirty, not zero to two thirty. But
12 anyways, I wanted to clarify that up front. But
13 we were not -- we were looking at this strictly
14 from a factual standpoint, not a partisan
15 standpoint.
16 But anyways, I will proceed. And I believe
17 there was -- one other question which was asked
18 was what was the totality of the errors, and I
19 will speak to that and tell you what we found
20 with the totality of the errors. I don't think
21 the inspectors were able to provide that number.
22 But anyways, let me introduce myself again.
23 My name is Joseph Rossi. I'm a retired executive
24 from PepsiCo, 34 years. I'm a chemical engineer
25 by degree. And I now teach at a local technical
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1 college here.
2 Mr. Jack James is a mechanical engineer and
3 an attorney and a good friend of mine. And again
4 he's not acting on my behalf as my attorney. We
5 do not work for each other. That's how we know
6 each other out.
7 When we went into this, we used ground rules
8 that I used in my executive career which is,
9 number one, stick to the facts, no smoke-blowing.
10 Be respectful but be persistent. And those that
11 I've communicated with from the governor's office
12 to the secretary of state's office hopefully will
13 attest that we've been respectful but we've
14 certainly been persistent.
15 And then the last thing is to take action
16 and get results. And we could talk about this,
17 but the goal is to take action and get results.
18 Those were our ground rules.
19 So what I'd like to do to start with is
20 refer you to that white three-ring binder. I
21 presume the state election board has a copy of
22 that by now; is that correct?
23 MR. MASHBURN: Yes, we have a copy of a
24 three-ring binder.
25 MR. ROSSI: Okay. So a picture is worth a
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1 thousand words and I'm going to go through a lot
2 of data. And if you get bored or overwhelmed
3 with the data, the message I want to send is
4 you've got the governor on the top of that cover
5 and --
6 MR. MASHBURN: Well, I'm actually going to
7 stop you right there, Mr. Rossi.
8 MR. ROSSI: Yep.
9 MR. MASHBURN: I did have a reaction to
10 that. And in my opinion as the chair, it is
11 highly irregular for a complainant to make
12 statements regarding parties that are not
13 respondents to the motion or to the matter at
14 hand. So I'm going to ask you to keep your
15 comments to the respondent at hand rather than
16 third parties that are not respondents to this
17 action, please.
18 MR. ROSSI: Okay. But didn't the governor
19 issue the letter requesting that the board do the
20 investigation?
21 MR. MASHBURN: That -- that's fine.
22 MR. ROSSI: Okay. I was just referring --
23 MR. MASHBURN: That's part of the record.
24 MR. ROSSI: I think part of the data and
25 part of the record is that the governor said that
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1 the hand audit was sloppy and inconsistent. And
2 my point was that the secretary of state's office
3 said the hand audit was accurate. And we have to
4 reconcile that for the citizens of Georgia, being
5 the odds between the two highest officials was my
6 point.
7 MR. MASHBURN: That's not before the board
8 on this issue.
9 MR. ROSSI: Okay.
10 MR. MASHBURN: So the respondent in this
11 action is Fulton County.
12 MR. ROSSI: Okay. Well, let me -- can I
13 proceed with our data then?
14 MR. MASHBURN: Sure.
15 MR. ROSSI: Okay. So our objective, if you
16 go to the table of contents, was to align on
17 resolution plan for the publicly posted RLA
18 report for Fulton, which we have determined has
19 errors which the governor has determined is
20 inconsistent and sloppy and does not build public
21 confidence, to quote his letter, and which now
22 the investigators per their investigation have
23 verified that.
24 The background I'll share is if this were an
25 annual report for a company, it would not be left
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1 standing as a credible accounting document. And
2 I would say an annual report is as important or
3 a -- the presidential election is as important as
4 a company's annual report.
5 And then on that letter there, you do see
6 the governor's -- quotes from the governor's
7 office and you see the posting on the secretary
8 of state's office which says that it's accurately
9 portrayed. And that's where I say that. The two
10 public officials, the highest authority in this
11 manner, are in opposite positions from that
12 standpoint.
13 So now what I'll do is I'll refer you to the
14 batch tally sheets, how this all started. And
15 I'm not a -- I'm not an expert in this, but I got
16 interested in the numbers. So I started to try
17 to understand what was going on.
18 And the first thing I found that there was
19 what I'll call signs of incompetence in the
20 secretary of state's office. And I'll refer you
21 to sections one eighty one --
22 MR. MASHBURN: All right. Mr. Rossi, I'm
23 going to have to -- I'm going to have to caution
24 you again. Fulton County is the respondent.
25 This is not a hearing about the secretary of
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1 state.
2 MR. ROSSI: Okay. The errors reside on the
3 secretary of state's website. So we believe they
4 have some responsibility for the errors being on
5 their website, even though they may have been
6 generated in Fulton County.
7 MR. MASHBURN: But that question is not
8 before the board.
9 MR. ROSSI: Who determines the questions
10 before the board?
11 MR. MASHBURN: We -- what is your -- I do,
12 as the chair.
13 MR. ROSSI: Okay. So we're not allowed to
14 ask questions about errors that are posted on the
15 secretary of state's website?
16 MR. MASHBURN: It doesn't help your case.
17 MR. ROSSI: But does that mean I can't
18 present my case and let people decide whether it
19 helps my case? You're going to just cancel it?
20 MR. MASHBURN: Your case -- your case is to
21 be presented against Fulton County as the
22 respondent. It's not fair to bring in third
23 parties that don't have notice that this hearing
24 is about them, that they may prepare a response.
25 So it's just not -- it's not fair to present
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1 evidence against people that haven't had a chance
2 to review your evidence and have notice that
3 they're parties to the hearing. And so I'm just
4 not going to admit evidence about other people's
5 actions or nonactions. This is about Fulton
6 County.
7 MR. ROSSI: Well, we -- we beg to disagree
8 with that. I don't know all the rules and
9 regulations, but since the very beginning of
10 this, we have been adamant about that we don't
11 know where the errors were generated but we do
12 know the errors exist on the secretary of state's
13 public website. So that should be part of the
14 case. And we --
15 MR. MASHBURN: My ruling and your objection
16 are on the record. So please proceed.
17 MR. ROSSI: Okay.
18 MR. MASHBURN: Keep your comments limited to
19 the respondent to this action and not third
20 parties who don't have notice of this hearing.
21 MR. ROSSI: Okay. Should I go to the --
22 section 2, then, the thirty-six errors? Election
23 code --
24 MR. MASHBURN: The floor is yours.
25 MR. ROSSI: Okay. So if you refer to --
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1 well, I mean, section 2 has to do with e-mails
2 that were sent, correspondence between the
3 secretary of state's office and myself. And
4 you're saying we do not want to review those; is
5 that correct?
6 MR. MASHBURN: My statement is that Fulton
7 County is the respondent to this action and not
8 the secretary of state. If it is germane to the
9 action against Fulton County, such that Fulton
10 County has notice that they should respond to
11 this, that's fair -- that's fair. But it's
12 not -- it's not a fair forum right now for you to
13 say that the secretary of state or the attorney
14 general did something correctly or incorrectly.
15 That's outside the scope of this hearing.
16 MR. ROSSI: Okay. Well, I will jump down to
17 number 3 on our section there. And basically the
18 thirty-six errors, sections 3-A, it starts with
19 -- is the -- basically it's the Excel spreadsheet
20 that was on the secretary of state's website and
21 that document highlights the thirty-six errors
22 very similarly to what the governor's report did
23 as well as the prior investigators that were
24 reporting out on those errors.
25 And I don't know if I need to go through any
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1 of those errors, but they're similar in manner to
2 what the investigators thought were somewhat
3 misidentified, some were duplicated. So the only
4 thing I would add, other than if you want to go
5 through every one of those errors, I'd be glad to
6 do that. When I added up those thirty-six
7 errors -- I think there was a question earlier to
8 the investigators which they didn't have a
9 response to: What was the net impact of those
10 errors? And I found the net impact of those
11 thirty-six errors was 4,081 net incremental for
12 Candidate Biden. And that would be shown on the
13 last page of that audit report.
14 MR. MASHBURN: You're in 3-A?
15 MR. ROSSI: I would be in three -- no, I
16 would be -- let's see. Yeah. 3-A. Okay.
17 MR. MASHBURN: Last page was 3-A?
18 MR. ROSSI: No. Hold on a second. I'm
19 sorry. Yeah, that would be 3-A, the very last
20 page. I think you should have a circled number
21 at the bottom right --
22 MR. MASHBURN: Yes.
23 MR. ROSSI: -- is that correct?
24 MR. MASHBURN: Bottom right corner. It's
25 circled in blue ink. Yes, sir.
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1 MR. ROSSI: 4,081 false delta total.
2 So at least when I added up the thirty-six
3 errors, I found the answer to the question from
4 earlier. I found that gave one candidate a 4,081
5 vote error. If you add up the --
6 MR. MASHBURN: Okay.
7 MR. ROSSI: And I just wanted to highlight
8 that so someone may be able to go back and review
9 and determine if that's correct. But that's what
10 I was able to determine.
11 MR. MASHBURN: Got it. Thank you.
12 MR. ROSSI: Okay.
13 MR. MASHBURN: I think that was in answer to
14 Dr. Johnston's question.
15 DR. JOHNSTON: Yeah.
16 MR. ROSSI: Right.
17 MR. MASHBURN: Do you any further questions,
18 Dr. Johnston, about this topic? Or is that what
19 you were looking for?
20 DR. JOHNSTON: I'll wait till --
22 DR. JOHNSTON: -- Mr. Rossi finishes.
23 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. Please go ahead.
24 MR. ROSSI: Okay. 3-B was the governor's
25 letter, which I'm sure you've seen. And the only
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1 thing I wanted to highlight on that, that he did
2 make the comment that our findings were factual
3 in nature. And I just wanted to reiterate that.
4 3-D is the report that the investigator was
5 referring to earlier. 3-E is a statement on the
6 secretary of state's website that says the hand
7 audit accurately portrayed the results of the
8 election. And I would challenge that, based on
9 the 4081 number that we found.
10 3-F, I think Voter Works was referred to.
11 So I have a section in there that shows what
12 Voter Works was responsible for doing, if you go
13 to that. It says 3-F, the Carter Center. And I
14 really don't know what the chain of command was
15 or who hired who. Maybe you guys could shed
16 light on that. But somehow the Carter Center was
17 involved and Voter Works was involved.
18 And then, if you go to the third page of
19 that 3-F section, there is a comment in their
20 report about data entry and results. And then
21 there's a footnote down at the bottom that talks
22 about their responsibility for checking missing
23 and duplicated batches, which I would ask the
24 question -- it was pretty easy to find these
25 errors on that -- on that Excel spreadsheet if
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1 someone would've just gone in afterwards and
2 checked themselves. I wonder what their
3 responsibility was and who hired them and who
4 paid for them. But I'm not sure what they did,
5 but obviously they didn't catch the accounting
6 errors that we referred to and the investigators
7 referred to earlier, which is something I think
8 that needs to be looked at as well.
9 And then the 3-G I just put in there
10 because -- I know this is being set as a Fulton
11 County issue only -- I do want you to know that
12 we looked at DeKalb County and there's very
13 similar errors with the DeKalb County hand audit.
14 And I've got, in 3-G, if you want to go through
15 that, you can see that those errors add up to
16 over a thousand incremental false votes there as
17 well.
18 So it tells me it's much broader than just
19 Fulton County, that this is a systemic issue
20 which I continue to ask the question. We can't
21 have a hundred and fifty-nine county free-for-all
22 in Georgia. At some point, some entity has to be
23 responsible for the accuracy of the original
24 count or the hand audit count.
25 I mean, at this point, you're saying I can't
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1 bring up the secretary of state's office but it
2 seems to me logically that they would be that
3 responsible entity. But I won't bring -- bring
4 up anything on that further.
5 3-H is just a follow-up letter from my local
6 representatives Mr. Shaw Blackmon and Larry
7 Walker. I appreciate their support.
8 So before I get into my recommendations, are
9 there any questions? Or should I finish with the
10 recommendations and then go for questions?
11 MR. MASHBURN: I think you should go ahead
12 and continue because that might raise the
13 questions. So go ahead.
14 MR. ROSSI: Okay. Well, you know, you could
15 bring up a lot of errors, but I think that's just
16 whining and complaining unless you come up with
17 potential recommendations and leave it to you
18 guys to be the group that decides what's the
19 right actions to take. But hopefully there'll be
20 some good solid actions coming out of the hard
21 work that we did and, obviously, the governor's
22 office did and the secretary of state's
23 investigators.
24 So the first thing that we feel pretty
25 strongly about is, I think, at the end of this
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1 we'll all agree that -- that that publicly
2 announced, publicly displayed hand audit as the
3 governor's letter says is sloppy, inconsistent,
4 and does not build public confidence. And, in
5 fact I think I heard someone say it's
6 inconsistent, someone says it has errors. But I
7 believe we owe it to the public for someone to
8 footnote or put a disclaimer on that report, that
9 it is under investigation for those errors. I
10 think the public deserves that. So that is our
11 first recommendation.
12 We had asked that the secretary of state --
13 until we get to the bottom of this, one way or
14 another, that that statement that says that the
15 hand audit for Fulton County accurately reflected
16 the results of the election -- based on the
17 numbers we've come up with, we think that
18 statement should be retracted.
19 And then the last invest -- the last
20 recommendation is -- based on the accounting,
21 this document that's extremely difficult to
22 follow and has a lot of errors, inconsistencies,
23 and is sloppy, I don't think we're ever going to
24 understand what really happened until somebody
25 releases and counts the absentee ballots from
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1 Fulton County. I think that's the only way to
2 really answer the question as to how many ballots
3 there really were and were all of those
4 ballots legal ballots.
5 At the end of the day, if it comes out
6 perfectly fine, then great, we've established
7 credibility. And if the end of the day, it
8 doesn't come out perfectly fine, then we know
9 that we've got a lot of work to do.
10 So those are my recommendations.
11 MR. MASHBURN: Thank you for your
12 presentation. And I know you put in a ton of
13 work in doing this, and so we always appreciate
14 citizens devoting their time and effort to work
15 on election-related matters. So thank you very
16 much for your efforts as a citizen.
17 Questions for the board? Questions from the
18 board?
19 MRS. GHAZAL: Yes. This is Sara Ghazal.
20 Mr. Rossi, I do appreciate your interest and
21 concerns with elections. But you said you looked
22 at Fulton and DeKalb. Is there any reason in
23 particular you chose those two counties? Are you
24 a resident of either of those counties?
25 MR. ROSSI: No. I'm a resident of Houston,
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1 but I looked at Houston as well, ma'am. And
2 their numbers were almost perfect.
3 MRS. GHAZAL: Are you -- I also want to
4 reiterate what Mr. Germany said, that -- and I
5 think the word "audit" is extremely confusing for
6 folks, especially people who've been in the
7 corporate world and understand what corporate
8 audits look like.
9 As Mr. Germany said, an election audit is a
10 different animal, and it's really -- the outcome
11 of an election audit is simply to identify the
12 proper -- that the count was accurate and
13 identified the right candidate. And I think
14 that's important for people to understand. And
15 the terminology makes it very confusing.
16 It's not supposed to be a one-to-one
17 recount. A recount was also conducted and that's
18 a different thing altogether. The recount looked
19 at the number of votes and, in fact, the count
20 was valid.
21 The audit is to identify whether or not the
22 right candidate won. So I just want to leave it
23 at that.
24 DR. JOHNSTON: Well, I'd like to add --
25 MR. ROSSI: Am I allowed to respond to that
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1 or -- or I'm not allowed to respond?
2 MR. MASHBURN: No. Dr. Johnston has the
3 floor.
4 DR. JOHNSTON: This is a char -- was
5 characterized as risk limiting audit which is
6 really just a statistical tool. And it's just a
7 shortcut to avoid a full audit recount, although
8 risk limiting audit can proceed on to a full
9 recount, which according to Ms. Jones, that
10 happened.
11 But with a difference of over 4,000 count, I
12 would wonder about whether we can actually rely
13 on the veracity of the Fulton County risk
14 limiting audit. I'm concerned about this
15 organization. I'm concerned about this confusing
16 record-keeping, whether it's scanner destination
17 or input errors or system errors or maybe ballots
18 were grouped or whether it was not enough time or
19 multiple employee data entry designation.
20 There are so many issues to consider with
21 this case.
22 MR. MASHBURN: Thank you, Dr. Johnston.
23 Mr. Rossi, if you'd like to comment briefly
24 and then we'll turn the floor over to
25 Mr. James -- attorney James.
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1 MR. ROSSI: Okay. I was just responding to
2 the board member that was saying that it
3 determined the right outcome of the election.
4 And I would put that in question based on the
5 number of errors that we found for one county in
6 one subset of the total 525,000 votes.
7 MR. MASHBURN: All right.
8 Mr. James? Is that right? Your last name
9 is James? Or is your first name James?
10 MR. JAMES: Last name is James.
11 MR. MASHBURN: Am I insulting you
12 unintentionally?
13 MR. JAMES: No, that's fine.
14 MR. MASHBURN: Jack James. It's attorney
15 James, okay. Attorney James, do you -- you have
16 anything you'd like to add, sir?
17 MR. JAMES: (indiscernible)
18 MR. MASHBURN: Hey, Mr. James, we're having
19 trouble hearing you. It sounds like you're on a
20 speaker phone.
21 MR. JAMES: Can you hear me better now?
22 MR. MASHBURN: There you go. There you go.
23 Yes, sir. Perfect.
24 MR. JAMES: Thank you. My presentation was
25 going to be directed at the responsibility --
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1 overall responsibility for elections in Georgia.
2 And you've already stated that that's really not
3 the issue to be presented to the board today.
4 But it has come up in our previous
5 conversations with members of the secretary of
6 state as to who is alternately responsible for
7 the elections in Georgia. And we just believe
8 that while Fulton County counts the votes, the
9 ultimate responsibility for assuring that the
10 votes are correct falls with the secretary of
11 state. And that is per the Georgia Constitution
12 and per different Georgia code sections which
13 assign the responsibility to the secretary of
14 state, in particular -- let me just get here a
15 second. In particular, code section 21-2-50(b)
16 clearly states that the secretary of state is the
17 chief elections officer.
18 And then we also believe that per the code
19 where the errors were noted, the results should
20 have been returned to Fulton County to correct
21 the errors. And this was never done. These
22 errors were reported to the secretary of state in
23 February of 2021, these errors on the risk
24 limiting audit, which you've also talked about.
25 So we believe that Fulton County should've
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1 been required to correct these errors that we've
2 been talking about all day. And this did not
3 happen and we're concerned that the code section,
4 which is O.C.G.A. 21-2-499, was not followed
5 specifically and the errors were not corrected.
6 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. Thank you.
7 I think we have Fulton County signed up as
8 the respondent. Are there any more signed up on
9 behalf of the complainant?
10 MS. HAISTY: Yes. There is Cheryl Ringer
11 from Fulton County.
12 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. Cheryl Ringer,
13 respondent from Fulton County, you have the
14 floor.
15 MS. RINGER: Thank you, Chair.
16 MR. MASHBURN: You can unmute yourself.
17 MS. RINGER: Can you hear me, sir?
18 MR. MASHBURN: Yes, we can hear you clearly.
19 Thank you.
20 MS. RINGER: Okay. Thank you. So I would
21 note that if Fulton County had been aware of the
22 recommendation of the investigators, we would
23 have moved to have this matter continued because
24 we weren't provided with the investigative report
25 or the recommendation.
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1 When I talked to members of the secretary of
2 state's staff, I was told that because of the
3 findings of Voter Works and that what happened in
4 Fulton County was similar to what they saw in
5 other counties, that the recommendation would not
6 be to bind this over.
7 And so I would express to the board that
8 that's exactly what we've heard. That Fulton
9 County is a larger county, we required more
10 licenses and that should've been provided to us
11 up front. It wasn't and so we had to play
12 catch-up to meet the deadline that was put upon
13 us by the secretary of state.
14 In doing so, we had other people who
15 tasked -- who were tasked with inputting the
16 information. They were -- there was no training
17 provided. And so we come to find out later that
18 there were different name conventions. There was
19 not a way to go back and do Q&A. There was not a
20 drop-down menu to go back. And so we had issues
21 that we did not have the ability to go back and
22 fix because of time problems.
23 This is not an issue that was just one of
24 Fulton County. In fact, Voter Works told us that
25 they saw these issues in other counties, but
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1 Fulton County did not have the time to go back
2 and fix the errors because of the number of votes
3 that we had to get into the system in the
4 timeline that was given to us. Because the same
5 thing happened at other counties, Fulton County
6 should not be penalized. Because this happened
7 in DeKalb County, Fulton County should not be
8 penalized.
9 Instead what should happen -- and I don't
10 remember if it was member Ghazal or member
11 Dr. Johnston that gave you exactly the
12 recommendations that Fulton County had provided
13 in response to the governor's letter.
14 There should be training provided to the
15 counties for whenever we're going to have a risk
16 limiting audit. If ever we have a risk limiting
17 audit in the future, we need to have training so
18 everyone is on the same page. That didn't happen
19 with this. There needs to be naming conventions
20 that everyone across the state uses and that
21 didn't happen in this instance. And there should
22 be drop-down menus so that there will be an easy
23 way to go and access what has already been
24 entered so that the counties can do Q&A and do
25 some searches on their own. That was not part of
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1 the system.
2 And so because we know that there were
3 issues with the system, Fulton County should not
4 be penalized.
5 I will note as well not only were we not
6 provided with the investigative report that the
7 investigator read, we also were not provided with
8 the three-ring binder that Mr. Rossi spoke to.
9 That was just provided to us by your secretary of
10 state's office, Mr. Germany.
11 So Fulton County, in fact, although we were
12 made aware that this matter would be on the
13 agenda today, we were not provided with
14 sufficient information really to prepare
15 ourselves and to defend ourselves as the chair
16 noted when referring (indiscernible) third-party.
17 So we were hampered, one, with the audit,
18 and, two, we've been hampered with the way in
19 which this hearing was conducted. Again, we ask
20 that the matter not be bound over to the AG,
21 instead that there will be some work done to
22 implement the recommendations to assist the
23 counties and to support and upgrade the Arlo
24 system.
25 Are there any questions for Fulton County?
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1 MR. MASHBURN: Any questions for Fulton
2 County from the board? Okay.
3 Seeing no questions, thank you for your
4 presentation. We appreciate it.
5 At this time --
6 MR. ZAGORIN: Mr. Chairman, if I could?
7 MR. MASHBURN: Yeah.
8 MR. ZAGORIN: When you're doing these
9 numbers, as the other board member had mentioned
10 earlier -- and I don't know if Mr. Rossi did this
11 when he came up with the total of 4,000, but the
12 ones that we noted that they listed as a double,
13 where they actually went in in two different
14 spots, that he actually took those out so they
15 were no longer doubles. So there wasn't as many
16 doubles as these sheets do because we know that,
17 like, 97 wasn't doubled. One was 47. One was
18 97. So we can't count that as a double.
19 I don't know if -- and there was one in here
20 that was completely off. It was 950 to zero
21 because on the sheet someone wrote 95 batches
22 when it should've been just 95 votes. So you can
23 take a hundred and five from there because that's
24 not what it was.
25 So it's -- when you go back and take all
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1 those numbers out, I don't know if you still have
2 that 4,000 number because some of them are not
3 doubles.
4 So just to address that ...
5 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. At this time -- Ryan?
6 MR. GERMANY: May I make one --
7 MR. MASHBURN: Sure.
8 MR. GERMANY: -- one point. The only thing
9 I was going to say, our elections director Blake
10 Evans is here. It might be helpful if you would
11 allow him to talk a little bit about the training
12 that was provided to counties for risk limiting
13 audits. And then of course, there was a pivot to
14 doing a full hand count. But I think that's
15 more, you know, (indiscernible) to ...
16 MR. MASHBURN: Any objection by the board?
17 Without objection, please proceed.
18 MR. EVANS: So in preparation for a
19 postelection recertification audit in 2020, one
20 of the -- couple of the things we did is with
21 several counties our office was able to do
22 smaller pilots of what an audit could be like.
23 This was going to be our first statewide audit
24 with paper. And so we did -- we tried out a
25 couple different styles of audits, a more
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1 traditional audit where you simply randomly
2 select a container of ballots from a scanner and
3 then you count those and you compare it to the
4 scanner tape.
5 But essentially what is considered widely to
6 be the best type of audit in the elections
7 business is the risk limiting audit. And so we
8 audited -- or we piloted that in a couple of
9 counties. We piloted it in Fulton County after
10 the presidential preference primary. Piloted it
11 in Glynn County among others. And then we also
12 had webinars and a series of trainings leading up
13 to the risk limiting audit following
14 November 2020.
15 There was a state election board rule that
16 was put out that kind of created a more specific
17 framework of what the audit was going to be like,
18 how the contest would be collected and things
19 like that.
20 Following the election, due to the -- as has
21 already been discussed, due to the margin --
22 there could've been another contest that was
23 selected with a wider margin and it would've been
24 a sampling of ballots that would've been
25 selected, which is what Arlo was built for is a
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1 sampling of ballots. But, you know, I think in
2 my opinion it was in the public's best interest
3 to choose the presidential contest with that
4 narrow margin, to audit it, and to confirm the
5 outcome of the election.
6 And so counties were trained on how to
7 create ballot manifests on how to use Arlo. And
8 then, when the decision was made to choose a
9 presidential contest, we did develop a training
10 that was given about 24 to 48 hours after the
11 decision was made about the adjustments that were
12 being made to the process since it was going from
13 a random sampling to a full hand count.
14 And that training was delivered, and then
15 the audit commenced essentially. Immediately
16 following that, the counties had about six days
17 to complete the audit.
19 Questions by the board?
20 DR. JOHNSTON: I have a question. If Fulton
21 County is responsible for their counts and
22 they're responsible for their audit, I would -- I
23 guess I would say they're accountable for
24 results. If they weren't aware of a problem and
25 they were rushed and they're large and they say
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1 they weren't trained and there were issues with
2 the system, did anybody in Fulton County follow
3 up and recheck their numbers after all was said
4 and done? Or did they take it upon themselves to
5 recheck --
6 MR. EVANS: So the order of events that
7 happened was, first, the machine count, and then
8 the hand audit. And then following the hand
9 audit, there was a recount by the machine of
10 all -- of all the ballots.
11 And so I don't know if they went back and
12 checked their hand count, but there was a
13 subsequent machine count following the hand
14 audit.
15 DR. JOHNSTON: Right. So it seems that
16 Fulton County had so many issues and they were so
17 rushed and pressed for time and it was definitely
18 a highly contested election. Did they after the
19 fact go back and check themselves like an
20 accountant would do?
21 MR. EVANS: I feel like that would be better
22 asked of Fulton.
23 MR. MASHBURN: Refresh my recollection of
24 Fulton's representative's name, please.
25 MS. HAISTY: Cheryl Ringer.
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1 MR. MASHBURN: Attorney Ringer, would you
2 like for -- I assume you're an attorney; correct?
3 Attorney Ringer, are you with us?
4 MS. RINGER: Yes, I am with you, but I am
5 not able to answer that question. I do know that
6 the members of our staff are attending a meeting.
7 Okay. I'm sorry getting a message from one of
8 the members. Hold on.
9 MR. MASHBURN: Take your time. Take your
10 time.
11 MS. RINGER: Okay. So I am -- so our
12 elections director is saying that we rechecked
13 Arlo as much as possible. You know, I assume
14 that is while they were putting it in. I don't
15 know about the ability to go back and recheck
16 after. We do not have the ability to put
17 anything else in Arlo.
18 Is it a possibility to unmute Nadine
19 Williams?
20 MR. MASHBURN: We're checking. We'll let
21 you know.
22 MR. GERMANY: One thing I'll add, while
23 Maggie is looking at that, is keep in mind
24 that -- this is for the board -- the certified
25 results of the election are, you know, the
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1 initial machine count and then the recount from
2 the machine already certified. So the audit
3 numbers are not part of any certified results.
4 MS. HAISTY: Nadine Williams should be
5 allowed to speak now.
6 MR. MASHBURN: Ms. Williams, we should be
7 able to hear you if you're unmuted --
8 MS. WILLIAMS: Can you hear me now?
9 MR. MASHBURN: -- on your side. Yes, we
10 hear you clearly.
11 MS. WILLIAMS: Okay. I'm sorry. We did
12 have a team that went into the system to attempt
13 to doublecheck Arlo before the deadline. The
14 problem with the system for Arlo is that if you
15 did not -- let me go back, I'm sorry.
16 Since it -- since it doesn't have a
17 drop-down box with our batch titles in it,
18 although the secretary of state asked for our
19 batch names prior to the -- the audit, the batch
20 names were not in the system.
21 So each person had to type in the batch
22 name. But if you did not enter the batch name
23 exactly as a person typed it, with exactly the
24 capital letter, the space, any symbols, you could
25 not find that batch name exactly. So as we tried
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1 to go back and check for balances, if you were
2 not able to find that exact way it was typed, it
3 could cause a duplicate.
4 So we attempted to go back in and do a
5 checks and balances, but if you were not -- and
6 you took out any duplicates that were -- if there
7 were any possibility of a duplicate or any type
8 of double entry, you took those out. But, again,
9 if the system would've had a drop-down box, it
10 would've eliminate -- it would've helped to
11 recheck some ballots.
12 But we did do -- we did try to do -- we did
13 do a -- like I said, we did do some checks and
14 balances before we submitted the final before the
15 deadline. And that's why there were so little
16 inconsistencies. We had over one -- over 1,900
17 batch sheets that we entered and there was, like,
18 (indiscernible) inconsistencies found by
19 Mr. Rossi, but that's where -- but we didn't
20 check a lot of this because -- before the
21 deadline. But a drop-down box would have
22 eliminated -- would've eliminated that situation.
23 DR. JOHNSTON: Ms. Williams, I understand
24 that. But after the deadline, when you had the
25 leisure of time and the opportunity to relook at
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1 the data entry and the total, did anybody in the
2 office circle back and check the numbers?
3 MS. WILLIAMS: The results -- like I said,
4 the -- as the person stated, the results were
5 not -- the results did not change. The winner
6 was the same. So there was nothing to go back
7 and check.
8 So that's why -- we knew that the -- we know
9 that there was nothing -- that nothing had
10 changed. So there was nothing to go back and --
11 we wanted to make sure everything was as
12 consistent as possible, but, no, we -- we
13 didn't -- everything balanced out over all of the
14 numbers and we did not go back and check anything
15 else. No, ma'am.
16 If it would've changed any of the results,
17 it would've been a concern. But there was no
18 concern as far as anything (indiscernible),
19 anything more than (indiscernible). The results
20 did not change.
21 MRS. GHAZAL: This is Sara Ghazal. Have you
22 had a chance to sit down with your board and come
23 up with any -- and this is a suggestion not just
24 for Fulton but any other county that may be
25 listening, but to, perhaps, come up with a series
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1 of recommendations on, moving forward, what would
2 improve the process and what you need -- and I'm
3 sure you've been working with the secretary of
4 state's office on this, but I think from my
5 perspective, as we move forward and look at
6 rulemaking, it would be really helpful to
7 understand from the county perspective the tools
8 that you feel like you need, moving forward, so
9 that we can have confidence in the process and so
10 that we minimize errors moving forward.
11 MS. WILLIAMS: I believe our attorney noted
12 that in the letter that was sent back in
13 response. But our concern would be mainly for us
14 to have -- as was said, to have more than one
15 license so we could've started off with more than
16 one person entering batch sheets. Because it was
17 such a large county, we would've had to have more
18 than one person being allowed to enter batch
19 sheets from the onset. And, of course, for us
20 having a bigger -- we could have the same
21 deadline. We wouldn't miss that deadline, but we
22 would just have to have more licenses and start
23 from the very beginning.
24 And, of course, this is a better system that
25 would just be able to not -- to be able to
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1 catch -- the system itself, it just doesn't allow
2 for human error in data entry. If the batch
3 titles would've been there, it wouldn't have
4 allowed you to make your own title for the batch
5 sheets and it would've been our biggest concern.
6 But we did express those things in the letter, I
7 believe, in the response letter.
8 MRS. GHAZAL: Thank you.
9 MR. GERMANY: I would add too -- this is
10 Ryan Germany -- that the recommendation for the
11 tools that Fulton County made specifically,
12 having kind of a drop-down to eliminate
13 double-entry and also to eliminate, I think,
14 missed batches, are some of the tools that Voting
15 Works said that they have added to Arlo.
16 Now, Voting Works said that, you know, the
17 efficacy of those tools depends on the quality of
18 the ballot manifest.
19 MRS. GHAZAL: Yep.
20 MR. GERMANY: That's where they're drawn
21 from. So there's no system that's going to
22 eliminate human error in data entry. It's going
23 to hopefully make it harder -- make it easier to
24 catch, but, you know, that's, I think, something
25 really for whatever type of audit we end up doing
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1 is that, I think, as the board considers rules,
2 the ballot manifest is really crucial. And
3 that's a data entry thing as well.
4 MRS. GHAZAL: And that's backing up a couple
5 of steps and looking at the reconciliation and
6 canvass process.
7 MR. GERMANY: Even before that --
8 MRS. GHAZAL: Right. Right.
9 MR. GERMANY: -- because the ballot
10 manifests are made kind of as --
11 MRS. GHAZAL: Right.
12 MR. GERMANY: -- kind of as things are
13 scanned. But, yes, that's correct.
15 MR. MASHBURN: Do we have a recommendation
16 from the investigators to bind the case over to
17 the --
18 MR. CALLAWAY: This is Jim --
19 MR. MASHBURN: No, I'm sorry.
20 MR. CALLAWAY: One other thing worth
21 noting -- and if I understand correctly and I'll
22 ask some folks to correct me if I've got my data
23 wrong -- you know, basically, what we're doing
24 here is the sufficiency of the hand count when it
25 comes to these batches. And I do think it's
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1 worth noting that in the -- that in the original
2 reporting, in terms of it's done electronically,
3 the difference between the original and then the
4 hand recount were only 634 votes in Fulton County
5 out of 525,000 votes cast, possibly 525,000 votes
6 cast.
7 But that said, you know, I do appreciate
8 that Mr. Rossi has brought this forward because I
9 do see some inconsistencies in how the process
10 was done and that does -- that will always raise
11 concerns for citizens who want to make sure that
12 the -- the elections are accurate.
13 But -- and -- I also want to express to
14 Fulton County the fact that we have decided to
15 turn it over to the attorney general's office,
16 that's not a final determination, merely a
17 request that they conduct a more thorough
18 investigation. And I think that that's something
19 that needs to be pointed out to them. This isn't
20 a final determination matter.
21 MR. MASHBURN: I thank you for your
22 comments. That's an excellent segue into me
23 asking the view of the board. I'm ready to
24 entertain a motion if any member of the board is
25 ready to make one.
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1 There's been a recommendation to bind the
2 case over to the attorney general.
3 DR. JOHNSTON: Seconded.
4 MR. MASHBURN: Well, you would be making the
5 motion.
6 DR. JOHNSTON: Oh, I'll make it.
7 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. Dr. Johnston makes the
9 MR. LINDSEY: I'll second.
10 MR. MASHBURN: That's been seconded by
11 Mr. Lindsey. Any discussion?
12 MRS. GHAZAL: I'm going to express some
13 concern about sending to the attorney general a
14 case that's been, as far as I can tell,
15 incredibly thoroughly investigated. And the
16 errors that have been found are human data entry
17 errors.
18 And I'm concerned about tying up resources
19 with the attorney general's office looking at --
20 when, in fact, the biggest problems were with the
21 platform and the resource allocation and not any
22 malfeasance or nonfeasance.
23 I think this is just a natural result of the
24 processes that were put in place because of the
25 time constraints. So I am not going to support
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1 the motion.
2 MR. MASHBURN: Further discussion? All
3 those --
4 MR. LINDSEY: My assumption is that that
5 will be something that would be taken into
6 account by the attorney general, given the level
7 of inconsistencies that we're seeing here. And
8 that could be part of any kind of determination
9 by the attorney general as to what go forward to,
10 working with the secretary of state's office,
11 trying to formulate a solution here because we
12 don't -- you know, while I appreciate the time
13 restraints that Fulton County was under, I do
14 want to make sure that our elections are not just
15 accurate but -- but have the necessary data that
16 will make those like Mr. Rossi, who do -- do do
17 citizen reviews and have done a very good one,
18 you know, can have reasonable confidence in the
19 outcome, not just that the recount is accurate
20 but also that citizens have confidence in it.
21 And for that reason, while I'm not convinced
22 that there's any kind of malfeasance going on
23 here other than some errors, I do think that the
24 errors were serious enough for further
25 investigation.
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1 And that's the reason for the motion. Thank
2 you.
3 MR. MASHBURN: Further discussion? Ready to
4 vote? All those in favor of the motion to bind
5 the case over to the attorney general say aye.
7 MR. MASHBURN: All those opposed?
8 MRS. GHAZAL: Nay.
9 MR. MASHBURN: Motion is carried.
10 And that completes the agenda prior to
11 executive session. And so at this point, I'll
12 entertain a motion that the board enter into
13 executive session.
14 MRS. GHAZAL: I so move.
15 MR. MASHBURN: Moved by Ms. Ghazal.
18 MR. MASHBURN: Seconded by Dr. Johnston and
19 Mr. Lindsey. So all those in favor?
21 MR. MASHBURN: So at this point, we will
22 mute the microphones and move into executive
23 session. Thank you.
24 (pause)
25 MR. MASHBURN: We're back on the record for
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1 just a moment. Everyone has been so kind to
2 point out the chair's errors in a diplomatic and
3 kind way. It was pointed out to me that I did
4 not give a time that we were likely to adjourn --
5 I mean reconvene.
6 And so the time is now 12:15. We are going
7 to reconvene at 1:00. 1:00 we'll be back on the
8 record. Thank you.
9 (Executive session from 12:15 until 1:03.)
10 MR. MASHBURN: We'd like to welcome
11 everybody back to the state election board,
12 March 16th meeting. We are reconvening after
13 executive session. I see -- there's no need to
14 take roll. I can just put on the record that all
15 of the board members are here. So a quorum is in
16 order.
17 We went into executive session for purposes
18 of discussing pending and potential litigation
19 and for the board to authorize subpoenas in case
20 number 2020-10, Dougherty County, and 2022-003,
21 ballot harvesting.
22 And so with that, the next item on the
23 agenda is the attorney general's report. And we
24 have Charlene McGowan from the attorney general's
25 office here. So I'll turn the floor over to
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2 MS. MCGOWAN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
3 For the attorney general report today, I am
4 presenting a number of consent orders and final
5 orders that are listed in the meeting agenda.
6 Two of these are consolidated consent orders
7 with Hancock County and Cobb County that resolve
8 a number of outstanding cases in one order.
9 I also have a number of final orders that
10 are issuing cease-and-desist orders or reprimands
11 in the six cases that are listed on the agenda.
12 And I'm happy to answer any questions that the
13 board may have about individual cases, but
14 otherwise we recommend that the board vote to
15 approve the consent orders and final orders.
16 MR. MASHBURN: Thank you. Are there any
17 board members that wish to take any particular
18 case out of the block? Seeing none, are there
19 any questions that the board members have for
20 Charlene about those listed under consent orders?
21 DR. JOHNSTON: I have a question.
23 DR. JOHNSTON: Ms. McGowan, on consent order
24 2021-062.
25 MS. MCGOWAN: Yes. The Walker County case,
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2 DR. JOHNSTON: So there was a violation of
3 21-2-571. And I just had a question as to the
4 recommended fine -- the finding. That is the
5 case that is a felony.
6 MS. MCGOWAN: Yes, a violation of 21-2-571
7 is a felony offense. The respondent in that case
8 was also -- was referred to our office for civil
9 administrative legal proceedings and that
10 respondent was also referred to the local
11 district attorney for possible criminal
12 prosecution.
13 Our office does not handle the criminal
14 prosecution side of things. So this is just
15 resolving -- like I said, it will just resolve
16 the civil side of the matter and the case is --
17 is still possibly going to be criminally
18 prosecuted.
19 DR. JOHNSTON: Thank you.
20 MR. MASHBURN: Thank you. Any further
21 questions by the board members about any of the
22 cases? I'm prepared to entertain a motion to
23 approve the consent orders as recommended by
24 block. Anybody wish to make that motion?
25 MRS. GHAZAL: So moved.
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1 MR. MASHBURN: Ms. Ghazal has made a motion.
2 Is there a second?
4 MR. MASHBURN: Mr. Lindsey has seconded.
5 And all those -- any discussion?
6 MR. LINDSEY: I'll have discussion just for
7 those who were listening in. These were provided
8 to us prior and we have reviewed them.
9 MR. MASHBURN: Good point. All those in
10 favor say aye.
13 Passes unanimously.
14 Is there any -- or would you like to move to
15 consolidated consent orders, Charlene?
16 MS. MCGOWAN: We're just voting on the
17 consent orders?
19 MS. MCGOWAN: Yes. We can move to the
20 consolidated consent orders. And again, these
21 are for Hancock County and Cobb County, resolving
22 a number of cases that are -- the numbers are
23 listed on the agenda. Again I'm happy to
24 entertain any questions that the board may have
25 about the specific orders, but otherwise our
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1 office's recommendation is that the board vote to
2 approve the consolidated consent orders.
3 DR. JOHNSTON: I have a question.
4 MR. MASHBURN: Dr. Johnston.
5 DR. JOHNSTON: The consolidated consent
6 order 2017-033, there were stolen election
7 materials. And I couldn't quite understand from
8 the wording. In the summary, says: Never
9 recovered because -- they were never recovered
10 because they were dumped into a dumpster or --
11 and I wasn't sure whether they ultimately were
12 recovered or just never recovered. There were
13 poll pads, scanners, DRE memory cards, cell
14 phones.
15 MS. MCGOWAN: My understanding is that there
16 were -- some of the election components that had
17 been stolen were not ultimately recovered is what
18 we were able to glean from the investigation.
19 DR. JOHNSTON: Okay. So never recovered
20 because they went to the dumpsite. I didn't know
21 if an investigator had information on that.
22 MRS. GHAZAL: If I could also clarify that
23 we're talking about barcode scanners not ballot
24 scanners. These are just the hand-held barcode
25 scanners.
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1 MS. MCGOWAN: Yeah. And this is back in
2 2017. So this is a prior. It was the DRE --
3 DR. JOHNSTON: Okay.
4 MS. MCGOWAN: -- equipment.
5 This is a case where -- for the people
6 listening, this is a case where there was some
7 election mater -- election equipment that was in
8 a vehicle that was stolen by an intervening
9 criminal actor. And some of the election
10 machinery or components were not recovered
11 because of the theft.
12 DR. JOHNSTON: Okay. And we do not use that
13 election material now?
14 MS. MCGOWAN: That's correct.
15 DR. JOHNSTON: Okay. Thank you.
16 MR. MASHBURN: Good question. Okay. Any
17 board member like to pull out any consolidated
18 consent order case for a particular consideration
19 or mention? Okay. Hearing none, now I'll
20 entertain a motion to approve the consolidated
21 consent orders as proposed en bloc.
22 DR. JOHNSTON: Moved.
23 MR. MASHBURN: Dr. Johnston has made a
25 MRS. GHAZAL: Second.
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1 MR. MASHBURN: Ms. Ghazal has seconded. Any
2 discussion? All those in favor say aye.
4 MR. MASHBURN: All those opposed would say
5 nay. Passes unanimously.
6 Now move to final orders. Attorney McGowan.
7 MS. MCGOWAN: For the final orders section,
8 we're presenting for the board's consideration
9 five final orders. One of them goes along with
10 2011-059 out of Hancock County. While we
11 resolved that case with the board of elections
12 and registration in a consolidated consent order,
13 there's some individual respondents they're
14 issuing final orders against. And these are all
15 orders where we are issuing a cease-and-desist
16 order or a public reprimand.
17 I'm happy to answer any questions that the
18 board may have, otherwise we recommend that the
19 board vote to approve the final orders.
20 MR. MASHBURN: Questions or comments by the
21 board? Any board member like to take any case
22 out for particular discussion? Seeing none, now
23 would be the time I would entertain a motion to
24 approve final orders listed in the agenda en bloc
25 -- in a block.
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1 DR. JOHNSTON: I move that we approve final
2 orders.
3 MR. MASHBURN: Dr. Johnston has made the
6 MR. MASHBURN: Mr. Lindsey has made the
7 second. Any discussion? Seeing none, all those
8 in favor say aye.
10 MR. MASHBURN: All those opposed would say
11 nay. Passes unanimously. That completes the
12 items on the agenda.
13 We would like to once again welcome our
14 newest members to the unpaid and unstaffed role
15 that you've now undertaken for the good of the
16 citizens of Georgia. And we thank you for your
17 willingness to serve the public in this capacity
18 and we welcome you and look forward to working
19 with you in the future. And thank you for your
20 willingness to serve.
21 And at this point if we're ready to adjourn,
22 I'll hear a motion to adjourn.
24 MR. MASHBURN: Ms. Ghazal has made the
25 motion.
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6 MR. MASHBURN: Aye. We are -- all those
7 opposed? We are adjourned.
8 Thank you, everyone.
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STATE ELECTION BOARD MEETING
Room 341
State Capitol Building
Atlanta, Georgia 30334
August 22, 2022
8:33 A. M.
SHANA LEDING, CCR, 2757

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Mr. William S. Duffey, Jr., Chair
Mr. Matthew Mashburn, Member
Mrs. Sara Tindall Ghazal, Member
Mr. Edward Lindsey, Member
Dr. Janice W. Johnston, Member
ALSO PRESENT:
Ryan Germany, General Counsel
Charlene McGowan, Assistant Attorney General
Sara Koth, Investigator
Mr. Evans
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Call the Meeting to Order.........................4
Approval of May 17, 2022 Minutes..................11
Fulton County Performance Review..................11
Attorney General Report...........................236
Consent Orders....................................237
Consolidated Consent Orders.......................237
Final Orders......................................238
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Good morning, everybody.
3 I'm going to call the meeting of the State
4 Election Board on this day August 22, 2002 to
5 order. We will begin with Dr. Johnston leading us
6 in our invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance.
7 DR. JOHNSTON: (Invocation.)
8 (Pledge of Allegiance.)
9 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Please be seated.
10 As I left my house this morning my wife Betsy
11 said, it wasn't too long ago that you told me that
12 you had retired. Said that you're not -- you're
13 going out with two briefcases, it doesn't look
14 very much to me like you have and then she said,
15 but it doesn't surprise me.
16 When I was in undergraduate school, my
17 undergraduate mentor taught a class and one of the
18 lectures that he gave, he talked about the
19 alignment of one's values with their conduct. And
20 one of two examples he gave of his personal
21 alignment was the act of voting. He said there's
22 something incredibly important to engage in the
23 fundamental act of participating in a democracy.
24 And said that he believed deeply in the right of
25 citizens to vote in the places where they have
4
1 that right whether it's the United States or some
2 other country, but for him it was the United
3 States. And it's the act of voting that said that
4 such an important value to me that I got great
5 satisfaction and fulfillment when I actually
6 engaged in that process. I had just voted in my
7 very first presidential election and I found
8 myself that that was an important value for me.
9 It was fulfilling, it was patriotic in the
10 greatest sense of participation in the American
11 democracy. I have voted in every election,
12 including those when I served overseas, since
13 1970.
14 The importance of voting is the reason that I
15 decided to leave, actually, the comfort of being
16 in retirement to accept the request made of me to
17 chair the State Election Board with my fellow
18 board colleagues. This is harder work than you
19 will ever imagine. It has taken more time than I
20 ever expected. But there is something about doing
21 something that's important in engaging in the
22 conduct that aligns with your value that makes --
23 that makes work not as onerous and burdensome as
24 it would be if you didn't like or didn't believe
25 in what you were doing.
5
1 Before I accepted this, I want to tell you I
2 asked two questions. The first was would I and
3 the Board be independent and would the Board have
4 adequate resources to perform its public duties?
5 The answer to both of those questions was yes.
6 The members of the Board are an impressive group
7 of public servants. They've been doing this a
8 long time, much longer than me. Mr. Mashburn,
9 Ms. Ghazal, Mr. Lindsey and Dr. Johnston are
10 deeply committed to our state. We've had long
11 conversations about why we do this, why we want to
12 do this, why it's important to us. And their
13 dedication is to ensure that there is integrity
14 and fairness in our voting processes. They each
15 bring a different perspective to the Board and
16 I've been the beneficiary of their time and
17 experience and wisdom as I have begun my duties.
18 They are exceptional people with exceptional
19 commitment to you and to our state.
20 The promise of our independence is being met.
21 There are organizational changes that are required
22 to be put into place, but there is the willingness
23 on the part of the Board and the Secretary of
24 State's Office to work collaboratively in what are
25 changes that need to be made as we operate as we
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1 are constituted now under Georgia law.
2 The promise of resources is moving forward.
3 Not as quickly as I would like for it to move
4 forward. One of the problems is that we're
5 in-between legislative sessions. There's an
6 existing budget, we have to work within a budget
7 and make changes to it. But I find a significant
8 commitment to giving the Board and finding for the
9 Board the resources that I have told them and the
10 Board has told them that we need to operate as we
11 want to operate in service to you and the State.
12 We've been invited to amend the budget that
13 I've already submitted to the General Assembly and
14 to the Governor's office with a commitment that
15 they will discuss with us our needs and based upon
16 the amount of money that I think we need, they
17 have -- they have not rejected it out of hand.
18 And, in fact, I think they wonder whether or not
19 we've asked for enough. Maybe I should correct
20 that.
21 Like everybody else on the Board, I bring a
22 different experience than they do to this process.
23 First, my experience is largely, and it was until
24 I took this assignment, very much like yours, what
25 I knew about the voting process I learned as a
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1 voter. Like you, I engaged the process expecting
2 it to be operated with integrity and efficiency.
3 I understand organizations, organizational change
4 and its impact and the requirement to build a team
5 focused on accomplishing objectives. I'm a lawyer
6 and my work over my career has been varied, it's
7 focused on developing an understanding facts in a
8 variety and very complex situations and then
9 interpreting those facts consistent with the law.
10 My approach is guided always by the facts and the
11 law and the exercise of discretion is undertaken
12 only when it's allowed where the facts and the law
13 permit it. My belief in public service is that
14 public service means serving the public, that the
15 leader of an organization does the work of the
16 organization, and that integrity requires courage
17 to do what is right even if unpopular.
18 One of our core duties is to hear and respond
19 to complaints. That's how we learn of specific
20 and systemic issues. I had never reviewed a
21 complaint. I now can say that I've reviewed lots
22 of complaints. And there is -- they're
23 interesting not only in the specific instances
24 that come up, but it's been really interesting to
25 me that they tend to illustrate for me and
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1 disclose to me some of the fundamental issues that
2 arise in large counties and in small counties and
3 that's given me a better sense of the value of
4 complaints not with respect to just specific
5 conduct, but what they tell me and I think what
6 they tell the other members of the Board about the
7 process within the state.
8 I'll also say this, that I have been
9 impressed with those occasions when counties in
10 particular have reported to us that they have made
11 a mistake and then told us what they have done to
12 correct it. I spent a lot of time sentencing
13 people when I was a federal judge. It was always
14 important to me to find out what a defendant's
15 response was to a claim that they had engaged in
16 wrongful conduct. I think anybody in a system
17 like this that has the wisdom to tell us that they
18 have done something wrong, explain the
19 consequences of that and that they have done
20 things to correct the action that they have
21 self-identified and identified to us, that those
22 counties ought to get credit for that and they
23 will. And some other complaints, I've -- I've
24 read those and I've read the response of counties
25 and individuals as well as members of precincts
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1 that have worked elections. Their response is not
2 to admit mistakes and then their response is not
3 to cooperate. That is going to end.
4 Let me finish by saying that it is our
5 privilege for each of us to serve in this
6 opportunity the citizens of our state and our
7 state in general. As I told you, the work is hard
8 and that is true of all work, though, that's
9 important. I would simply ask that you be patient
10 with us as we navigate our duties and the Board's
11 change of status. I want to thank everybody for
12 being here whether you're here in person or
13 whether you're watching this through our
14 technology and I pledge to you as the newest
15 member of the Board and on behalf of my other
16 board colleagues that we will do our very best to
17 serve you well honestly and with integrity.
18 First item on the agenda is the approval of
19 the Board minutes. They have been distributed to
20 each of the Board members.
21 Is there a motion to approve the minutes or
22 are there any suggestions for amendment?
23 MR. MASHBURN: So moved, Mr. Chairman.
24 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Second?
25 MS. GHAZAL: Second.
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1 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: It's been moved and
2 seconded that the agenda of the meeting of May 17,
3 2002, be approved. Is there any discussion on the
4 motion?
5 MR. MASHBURN: Mr. Chair, I think you said
6 "agenda," but I think we approved "the minutes."
7 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I'm sorry, it's the
8 minutes. Thank you. See, he was the acting chair
9 so he's better at this than I am and his job is to
10 make sure that I don't make mistakes.
11 SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman, please use your
12 microphone. I'm very hard of hearing.
13 Thank you.
14 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you. I'm sorry, it
15 was on, but I guess it wasn't close enough.
16 All those in favor of approving the minutes
17 of May 17, 2022, say aye.
19 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All those opposed, no.
20 (No Response.)
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: The minutes are approved.
22 Next item on the agenda is an update on the
23 Fulton County Performance Review and that will be
24 given by Mr. Germany, the General Counsel of the
25 Secretary of State's Office.
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1 MR. GERMANY: Good morning. Judge Duffey,
2 board members, thank you for your time this
3 morning and for your service on the Board.
4 I'd like to give the Board a brief update on
5 the status of the performance review of Fulton
6 County. Because we have some new members of the
7 Board from when this process was started, I'm
8 going to give a little more in-depth update than I
9 have in past meetings.
10 First, I'll speak to the question that is
11 probably foremost on everyone's mind which is
12 timing. When we started this process, my -- which
13 was almost exactly a year ago, the goal was to
14 complete the review in the calendar year 2021.
15 That was a known aggressive timeline. The reason
16 we had it was because we knew once we got into
17 2022, it would be difficult to continue to move
18 forward with all the election responsibilities of
19 both the members of the performance review team
20 and to Fulton County. Though unfortunately, the
21 performance review is not going to be completed
22 prior to the 2022 election or the certification of
23 that election, and I'll explain the reasons for
24 that after giving a little background on the
25 process for the members who were not here when the
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1 process begun.
2 The performance review team is myself, Ricky
3 Kittle, chairperson of the Catoosa County Board of
4 Elections and Stephen Day, a board member of the
5 Gwinnett County Board of Elections and the former
6 chair of that board. Both Ricky and Stephen have
7 turned out to be excellent selections by the State
8 Election Board. They have been invaluable
9 throughout this process and I'm very thankful for
10 their service.
11 The performance review was put in place by SB
12 202 and the duty of the performance review team as
13 spelled out in O.C.G.A. §21-2-106 is to make a
14 thorough and complete investigation of the local
15 election officials with respect to all actions of
16 the local election official regarding the
17 technical competency and maintenance and operation
18 of election equipment, proper administration and
19 oversight of registration and elections, and
20 compliance with state law and regulations. That's
21 obviously a big job. After that thorough and
22 complete investigation is complete, we are to
23 issue a report of our findings to the Secretary of
24 State, the State Election Board and the local
25 governing authority which shall include such
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1 evaluations, judgments and recommendations as the
2 performance review team deems appropriate.
3 The performance review team was appointed by
4 the State Election Board in August 2021, almost
5 exactly a year ago. I told this board in our
6 first update that the goal was to complete it in
7 2021. That was an aggressive timeline, we have
8 not met it, unfortunately. We have made
9 substantial progress, I believe, and we have --
10 and we'll -- and have -- and we'll continue to do
11 so. I'll explain a bit more about what we have
12 done so far, but first I want to say that Fulton
13 County has been very cooperative with the review
14 process. They have retained very competent
15 counsel who have been helpful. They have opened
16 up their staff and their facilities to the review
17 team and they have produced requested documents.
18 So far, the review team has observed the
19 absentee ballot process in Fulton County during
20 the 2021 elections as well as early voting and
21 election day voting. We've also observed election
22 day operations and postelection operations at
23 Fulton County headquarters. We've interviewed
24 staff members of Fulton County elections and we
25 have a couple more interviews to conduct on that
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1 front. We also plan to interview the current
2 Fulton board members and potentially former board
3 members as well.
4 We do want to be cognizant of the fact that
5 Fulton County election staff and board members
6 have a significant amount of work to accomplish
7 right now in preparing for that November election.
8 That's obviously their most crucial task right
9 now. But I'm confident we can work with their
10 counsel to complete our remaining tasks in a
11 manner that does not interfere with their ongoing
12 work to prepare for the upcoming election.
13 In addition to those tasks and in an attempt
14 to expand our reach beyond the three of us, we
15 have also utilized the work of the Secretary of
16 State's Office investigations and elections teams.
17 Secretary of State investigators have investigated
18 numerous allegations regarding Fulton County so we
19 are utilizing that work to assist in our review.
20 And the same for Secretary of State elections
21 team, they work closely with Fulton County and
22 every county so we are able to incorporate what
23 elections has learned into our review as well,
24 particularly in regards to redistricting and
25 reconciliation.
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1 In terms of when I expect the team to finish
2 its review, I think that a goal of prior to the
3 end of this year is reasonable and doable, but I
4 don't believe it would be possible to complete the
5 report until after the certification deadline for
6 the November elections.
7 And I'm happy to take any questions.
8 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Mr. Germany, it seems that
9 since you're doing the review of their processes
10 that one way in which you could most critically
11 evaluate that is to have a number of people
12 observing the Fulton County operations during the
13 November 2022 election. Can you describe for us
14 what that would look like and how many people
15 might be involved and what specifically you might
16 be focusing on?
17 MR. GERMANY: Well, that's been something we
18 -- the performance review team has been
19 discussing. It is something that we would like to
20 do. There's obviously three members of a
21 performance review team, so that's not that many
22 people. And the other challenge is the members of
23 the performance review team, Mr. Kittle, Mr. Day
24 and myself, they all have sort of competing
25 election responsibilities in their own counties at
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1 those times. I think we will be able to do some
2 observation of each of the same things we did in
3 2021 and I think it's vital because 2021 is
4 obviously a much smaller election so we want to be
5 able to see, okay, how do these processes work in
6 a general election environment and so we're
7 discussing amongst ourselves how best to do that.
8 There's three of us and so, you know, what I
9 envision is something similar to what we did in
10 2021 and Fulton was cooperative in setting up,
11 letting us visit certain polling places, walking
12 us through different processes and essentially
13 letting the team see whatever they wanted to see.
14 So I envision doing the same thing. I think the
15 scheduling part of it could be the most
16 problematic part.
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I guess the other question
18 I have is -- maybe two -- is that with the work
19 that you've done so far you must have at least
20 some sense of where you would want to look more
21 closely. So is it possible to say based upon what
22 you know that there are certain places where you
23 would -- if you did observe that you would want to
24 -- you would want to observe more intently. And
25 then secondly, I know you've only got three folks,
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1 but is there any way that you could enlist other
2 people having those three people say that when you
3 look at this particular part of the operation, I
4 want you to look specifically at these things and
5 report back to me so that they don't have to do it
6 themselves?
7 MR. GERMANY: Well, to your first question,
8 yes, I think we have kind of -- we do you have
9 areas where we say, okay, these are things that we
10 are seeing that we would like to observe in more
11 detail and these are things where, okay,
12 everything seems to be in order and you don't
13 really require further observation.
14 In terms of expanding the number of people, I
15 think that we'll be able to do hopefully some of
16 what we've already done by using Secretary of
17 State investigators and elections people that are
18 obviously going to have the same challenge as the
19 Board members. You know we did bring up the
20 possibility with Fulton as bringing in some
21 outside consultants and that was -- you were
22 talking about resources earlier, so that wasn't
23 something that the State had the resources to
24 bring in. Fulton, I think did not feel that they
25 had to do that underneath the current law and so
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2 That would be a possibility, but as it is a bit
3 unclear, I don't know that the law allows it to be
4 forced upon the county without their kind of
5 cooperation. Especially because we were
6 envisioning -- we were essentially asking them to
7 pay for those outside consultants.
8 MR. LINDSEY: Mr. Germany, tell us exactly --
9 SPEAKER: I'm sorry, I can't hear you.
10 MR. LINDSEY: I'm sorry. Thank you. Tell us
11 -- tell us what else needs to be done.
12 MR. GERMANY: I'm sorry?
13 MR. LINDSEY: What are the next steps that
14 you need to be -- you and your group need to be
15 involved in order to get to the completion?
16 MR. GERMANY: The next steps are basically
17 scheduling remaining interviews. We have some
18 people that we know we want to interview. I think
19 what we'll find is there will be additional people
20 as we complete those interviews and then
21 observation of the 2022 election and then writing
22 a report.
23 MR. LINDSEY: My recommendation to you at
24 this point is to convey to the chair those needed
25 additional resources to get you to the completion
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1 line and also to assist you in observing whatever
2 needs to be observed regarding the 2022 election.
3 The chair has been pretty good about going to
4 whoever we can to try to find the resources
5 necessary, but I do think it's very incumbent in
6 terms of having folks to have faith in the outcome
7 of this 2022 election that we -- that we apply
8 whatever resources are necessary to get you to the
9 finish line. And I think you'll find the Board
10 very receptive if you can provide us with a list
11 so it's not just the three of you, but any
12 additional resources including possibly somebody
13 from the outside because it's time for us to get
14 to the complete -- to the finish line here.
15 DR. JOHNSTON: Mr. Chair?
16 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Dr. Johnston.
17 DR. JOHNSTON: Thank you. Fulton County has
18 a budget of $37 million and moving upward to
19 conduct this election this year. It seems to me
20 that they would be able to utilize some of these
21 funds to enlist observers from the outside.
22 MR. GERMANY: I would agree. Thank you.
23 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: There's a couple of
24 management things that we might be able to do to
25 help you. One is if you could sit down with
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1 whoever you're interacting with at Fulton County
2 with you three members and talk to Fulton County
3 and say this is what we need, these are the people
4 that we need to interview, these are the documents
5 that we need to review and these are the
6 operations that we need to review and let them
7 know, and let them agree in that writing that
8 those are the activities that you're going to
9 undertake between now and whenever you're ready to
10 write your report this year and tell them that the
11 Board has asked for that so that we can monitor
12 progress to the end. This has taken, you know, a
13 long time to get there, but it is important for it
14 to be completed and then when we get that we can
15 say we think it's important for you to allocate
16 the resources necessary to complete those things
17 that you have agreed to do on behalf of your
18 group. And let them know that we are actively
19 involved. I mean, it's our performance review.
20 We're actively involved in making sure that it
21 gets done and that we're going to look at the
22 progress because we want it to be completed.
23 And I'm encouraged by the fact that you think
24 that it might -- that it's possible to get it done
25 by the end of the year. We need to know that. We
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1 have to make decisions based upon what you find
2 and sometimes putting something in writing and
3 knowing that the people who commissioned it are
4 actually looking at the progress has an impact,
5 especially when we weigh in and say it's necessary
6 for you to find the resources to do what you want
7 to do and need to do.
8 Ms. Ghazal.
9 MS. GHAZAL: I'd like to follow up that it's
10 not just Fulton County that needs a sense of
11 finality, but there are 158 other counties that
12 are watching this and I think are deeply concerned
13 about the process itself and the lack of clarity
14 so having closure and moving forward is really
15 critical overall I think for a lot more than just
16 Fulton and a lot more than just the voters.
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Anybody else have any
18 questions?
19 Mr. Germany, one of the things that I think
20 that the Board wants to do, and this is in adjunct
21 to what Ms. Ghazal said, which is accountability
22 and knowing that there are people watching the
23 processes and make sure that they are trustworthy
24 and that there's integrity within them. It makes
25 people look at their duties differently. And I
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1 think what you all will produce to us and to show
2 them that this process is rigorous and that we're
3 involved will show other counties that that's what
4 we want, that's what the citizens want and that's
5 what any good organization that tries to do
6 something well does, which is why every
7 corporation has audit committees, have internal
8 investigation committees and a lot of committees
9 and that's all we're trying to build into this are
10 some principles that tell people that in different
11 counties that there's a process by which their
12 conduct will be reviewed.
13 And to go back to my opening comments that
14 those counties that say, you know, we do have
15 problems, here's what the problems are, here's
16 what we are doing to correct those. That's the
17 attitude that we want is to create more of a
18 collegiality, a collegiate relationship between us
19 and them and to motivate them to say these are the
20 issues that we have, but we recognize them.
21 Here's what we need in order to address those
22 issues and here's what we've done to begin that
23 process. I just think that's important to the
24 overall integrity of the elections. But I know
25 that you have that same commitment as we do.
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1 Thank you.
2 Anything else?
3 All right. Thank you, Mr. Germany, but don't
4 leave because we're going to have another report
5 from you.
6 I want to give the audience some background
7 on this. This is a report on what is called
8 Proposed Methods for Acceptance and Equitable
9 Distribution of Grant Funds for Election
10 Administration. Long title which isn't -- doesn't
11 itself tell you what the issue is, so let me
12 explain that to you.
13 There are some counties in the State that
14 have been provided with funding while in
15 connection to help fund their election activities.
16 Not all counties receive money, not all counties
17 had asked for money, but some counties have gotten
18 money and in some cases it's been significant. So
19 the General Assembly in SB 202 thought that there
20 ought be some process for making sure that that
21 money is deployed in a way where there's -- where
22 it's most needed and where it can be used most
23 efficiently so what they asked us to do is to look
24 at that process and see whether or not there is a
25 recommended way of taking money to -- that is
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1 given for the purpose of election administration
2 and finding a fair way of distributing that.
3 There's probably also a fundamental question about
4 how do we make sure that that money isn't given
5 for the purpose of trying to influence conduct on
6 the part of elections or election officials, or
7 that matter, us. And that's -- and that's
8 something that I think we ought to have a little
9 bit of a discussion with today. But what we've
10 asked Mr. Germany to do is to help us fulfill the
11 request -- well, help us fulfill the requirement
12 that we have to make these recommendations and so
13 that's the report that -- that he is going to give
14 to us now and that's the background I wanted you
15 to have before the report was given.
16 MR. GERMANY: Thank you, Mr. Chair. That's
17 correct. So in Senate Bill 202, the General
18 Assembly asked the State Election Board to study
19 and report back a proposed method for accepting
20 donations intended to facilitate the
21 administration of elections. And I think, you
22 know, the idea is to have those -- the idea that I
23 think was really wanted to study was can these
24 donations go through essentially a State Election
25 Board and have that type of oversight, you know,
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1 prior to just going straight to a county for all
2 the reasons, Judge Duffey, that you just said.
3 The model that we sorta looked at, first, we
4 looked at different -- to see if it was something
5 that was done in other states. We weren't able to
6 find kind of an exact model from any other states.
7 I think the closest model is how states disperse
8 and distribute federal funds from HAVA, the Help
9 America Vote Act. That's something currently that
10 Secretary of State's Office does for Georgia and
11 generally other secretaries of state or if it's
12 not secretaries of state, the State Election Board
13 would do that in other states. The, I think,
14 takeaway of the report is, yes, something like
15 that is possible, but it does -- it is going to
16 require to go back to some of your opening
17 remarks, significant resources from the kind of
18 the grant review, grant distribution and then, you
19 know, of course, the kind of reporting
20 requirements that -- that are required. And so
21 that's essentially the conclusion of the report
22 that, you know, a legislative scheme could be put
23 into effect that kind of models that for private
24 grants. It would take significant resources from
25 the -- that the Board -- you know for the Board to
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1 essentially administer that.
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Everybody here on the Board
3 has received the report. Are there any questions
4 or comments on the report or suggestions beyond
5 the report?
6 MS. GHAZAL: Yes. Thank you, Judge and
7 Chair. Mr. Germany, from my perspective, I come
8 from a background from nonprofit so I have dealt
9 with grant application, grant administration,
10 grant reporting. And I know how critical it is
11 that when you're involved in that, that you have
12 real on-the-ground knowledge of how those funds
13 need to be used.
14 I also want to acknowledge that every county
15 is constrained by state law and board regulations,
16 and so funds, no matter where the sources are,
17 have to be expended according to Georgia statute.
18 I would suggest that the State Election Board as a
19 volunteer, part-time body is not best suited to
20 oversee and administer these grants as much as the
21 Secretary of State's Office is because you are the
22 folks who are talking every day with county
23 officials. You have your liaisons with the
24 counties and you simply see the needs much more
25 clearly than anybody on this board could possibly
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1 do. So that would be my preference, that if the
2 General Assembly decides to move forward with this
3 model that the staffing is actually housed and
4 overseen by the Secretary of State's Office with
5 some oversight function from this board, certainly
6 that the day-to-day administration really needs to
7 happen with the folks who are working day to day
8 with the counties. That's -- that's my
9 suggestions.
10 MR. GERMANY: I think that's right that
11 essentially it will be -- there will be
12 involvement similarly from counties, of course,
13 from the nonprofits you mentioned, from the State
14 Election Board and Secretary of State's Office. I
15 think the bottom line of the report -- of the --
16 or this report is -- something which is more like
17 kind of a -- I think a starting point for the
18 General Assembly is you -- if we decide to put in
19 place something like this, it is going to take
20 significant resources to make sure money is being
21 spent fairly, being distributed fairly and then
22 being spent in the way -- and so I think that'll
23 really be up to the General Assembly to see where
24 do they want to allocate those -- you know, to
25 whom do they allocate those resources, but the
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1 gist of this is those resources are going to be
2 needed somewhere.
3 MS. GHAZAL: One other point, I think there's
4 still a lacuna in the law which is how counties
5 manage in-kind donations which don't pose any sort
6 of concern. And what I mean by that is if a
7 facility owner wants to donate the use of their --
8 of their hall for an election, you just literally
9 just as a precinct so that the counties don't have
10 to expend tax funds in order to hold the election,
11 there's still a little bit of silence there if --
12 and I'd be interested in hearing from county
13 election boards whether the current process of
14 going through the county commissions is feasible
15 for that and I don't know if anybody has -- has
16 undertaken any inquiries. I think we'll be --
17 we'll see this November a lot more clearly how
18 that process is working for them and how in-kind
19 donations are being managed and whether or not
20 there's a problem with that and so I would like --
21 after November, I think that deserves some
22 follow-up as well.
23 MR. GERMANY: We have, I think, received,
24 especially after SB 202 was passed, some questions
25 along that same -- along those same lines from
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1 counties. And I think you're right to point out
2 that that's not the type of thing that I think the
3 General Assembly was really thinking when they put
4 some of the restrictions in place. They were
5 moving at the different types and amount of money
6 that we saw in 2020 which we really hadn't seen
7 before.
8 And another thing -- did -- it doesn't seem
9 to be indication that we'll be seeing that type of
10 funding into elections, at least this year either
11 and so I think that's good. But in terms of the
12 things that might have been like polling places
13 and things like that, I hope that that's kind of
14 continuing as it has and I think the law kind of
15 allows for that, but some additional clarity would
16 not -- would not hurt.
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: This discussion suggests
18 two things to me. First, I've only considered
19 this -- that these are cash contributions that are
20 being made so not that in-kind contributions
21 aren't important, but let me just say that for a
22 second.
23 In the report there are two options. One
24 would be a pro rata distribution to counties based
25 upon either the number of registered voters or the
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1 number of people who vote. I'm not really in
2 favor of that because, one, we know some counties
3 don't want the money or don't need the money and
4 I'm a firm believer that money ought to follow
5 need and we ought to evaluate what the need is and
6 find some process for which we determine where the
7 money is best allocated. So that's my first
8 comment on the report.
9 The second is I do think that there is a
10 decision on who is it that will do the
11 investigation to determine where the need is. I
12 don't think that that ought to be wholly within
13 the Board, us, nor do I think it should be wholly
14 within the Secretary of State's Office for the
15 resource issue to begin with. You know, maybe
16 down the line if there was resource was made
17 available we could spin this off. But my thought
18 was this: Could we suggest to the General
19 Assembly that we create a grant distribution
20 commission made up of maybe two representatives of
21 the Secretary of State's Office, two county
22 representatives, somebody who has expertise in
23 grant evaluation and distribution, maybe
24 ultimately seven or nine people and charge them
25 and ask them to do what we do which is to
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1 volunteer their time just on this issue so that
2 it's not all you, it's not all of us. And we
3 involve some other people who have an interest in
4 making sure the process has integrity and ask them
5 to do the evaluation for us and make the
6 recommendation that we would both receive, the
7 Secretary of State's Office and the Board would
8 ultimately receive, to ask them either to tweak
9 their work or ultimately to approve it. And I
10 think the more people we get involved in this,
11 assuming we get people to volunteer do it, but we
12 tell them that this work is really important
13 because we don't want undue influence in
14 elections. And would they agree to serve on this
15 commission or whatever we call it. Maybe that's a
16 solution for addressing the manpower needs without
17 taxing either the Secretary of State's Office or
18 us and put some people in place and say that's all
19 we want you to do is focus on this issue. That's
20 just a thought.
21 MR. GERMANY: To your first point, I would
22 just add that what our office has seen in the HAVA
23 grant distributions is they really are, I think,
24 kind of a vital lifeline to smaller counties.
25 Because a lot of these grants are smaller, it
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1 might be $10,000 or say, for some security
2 upgrades or a reimbursement, sort of things like
3 that. And Dr. Johnston made the point that Fulton
4 County has a $37 million elections' budget, so
5 they can make those -- and they do apply for HAVA
6 grants, but it goes a lot further, I think, in a
7 smaller county that might not otherwise have that.
8 So that is kind of the model that I think tends to
9 be followed and HAVA -- because a lot of it as
10 requires some matching and or, you know, and we
11 pay three dollars for every one dollar the county
12 pays. I say "we," it's really federal funds
13 administered through Secretary of State's Office,
14 but -- so, again, I think your first point is
15 exactly right.
16 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Is this money that
17 counties, whether large or small, go and approach
18 organizations that have money or are these
19 organizations saying we have money, we'd like to
20 give it to you, but you've got apply for it or is
21 it both?
22 MR. GERMANY: It's a hard question because we
23 hadn't seen it until 2020, it was an anomaly.
24 What happened before that was the federal funds,
25 that was kind of the -- that was where kind of the
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1 grant money was and it was used for -- as spelled
2 out by HAVA, it's used for kind of disability
3 upgrades to make polling places more accessible.
4 It's also can be used for security upgrades
5 because a lot of that I think would go to physical
6 security in buildings and in offices and in things
7 like that. And so the idea was there, the federal
8 government has some money and they see some needs
9 and so they're trying to fund that. And the model
10 in 2020, it was just such an anomaly. I don't
11 know that I could really speak to it very well.
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So what I hear you saying
13 is that there was a lot of money in 2020, we just
14 don't even know whether or not -- what the
15 magnitude of the money is going to be in future
16 elections.
17 MR. GERMANY: I would say the magnitude I
18 think is going to -- I think 2020 was very much an
19 anomaly because of COVID, because of a lot of
20 reasons and so hopefully -- hopefully it is an
21 anomaly for that reason. But what we haven't seen
22 at least this year, those same types of things
23 anywhere around the country really in terms of --
24 in terms of that much money coming into elections.
25 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Which means it might not be
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1 as big a project as we expect.
2 MR. GERMANY: Correct.
3 DR. JOHNSTON: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to
4 share some of my views. Elections --
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I think it helps if I turn
6 the mic on. This is technical requirement that I
7 didn't think I had as the chair. Bear with me. I
8 ask for your patience --
9 DR. JOHNSTON: I think it's on now.
10 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: -- patience with this.
11 DR. JOHNSTON: It's on now.
12 Elections are not charities. The decisions
13 that one makes with regard to grants is only as
14 good as the bias of those in control. There are a
15 number of issues to consider.
16 First, grants are gifts with strings
17 attached. Gifts, especially money, that's not
18 earned, influences behavior and it interferes with
19 the accountability of the recipient to the elector
20 or the taxpayer. And worst of all, they're
21 addicting. The first grant is welcomed, the
22 second is expected and the third is demanded.
23 Grants encourage unnecessary spending and too
24 quickly evolve from a want to a need to a demand.
25 Grants come with requirements by the grantor and
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1 carry significant risk that the integrity of the
2 election process might be compromised. I'm very
3 much against grants and I think counties should
4 live within their means. If we do eventually have
5 to deal with grants, I think it should be under
6 the control of the State Election Board and must
7 be approved by the General Assembly. And further,
8 I would recommend that if there are grants there
9 be -- there can be no strings attached by outside
10 parties or guidelines developed that would not
11 enhance election integrity in every aspect.
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you, Dr. Johnston.
13 That's -- you know, this is a great example of
14 different perspectives. I came from a profession
15 where nobody ever gave lawyers money unless we did
16 a lot of work for it. So nobody was coming to
17 lawyers and saying we want to give you grants.
18 In the medical profession, that's different.
19 I agree totally with Dr. Johnston that a
20 process -- if this happens, if there's money that
21 wants to be granted, where there's a gatekeeper
22 and that that gatekeeper's responsibility would
23 not only be for making sure that it goes to places
24 where it's needed, but the gatekeeper's
25 responsibility might be that we refuse your money
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1 because of either the appearance of it or the
2 subtext of it that you're trying to influence.
3 I'll give you an example. We did some work with
4 Kennesaw State with addiction center and one of
5 the -- one of the organizations that wanted to
6 give us a lot of money was a liquor distributor.
7 And we said no because -- and they were surprised
8 because it was a lot of money, but we said we are
9 not going to have that relationship because of the
10 public perception that it creates. And it
11 ultimately with -- what we thought might be that
12 the center would be used to promote their product,
13 so. But I think a gatekeeping function that says,
14 I know you've offered to make that available, but
15 we -- we decline it would be a way of protecting
16 against somebody trying to use grant money, if we
17 decide to do this, in a way that would impede or
18 tarnish the reputation of the State or its
19 election processes.
20 Anybody else? Yeah.
21 MR. MASHBURN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
22 I, first want to kind of add on to the
23 previous presentation, is Ryan, you -- the fact
24 that you're presenting on these two important
25 issues demonstrates the Board has a lot of
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1 confidence in you and you do a great job and I
2 think the citizens of Georgia benefit from your
3 experience and your hard work and we put a lot on
4 you and that's because we -- I think you're one of
5 the finest election lawyers that Georgia has.
6 Thank you for your service and we appreciate it
7 very much.
8 The thing that troubles me on this private
9 grant is the original purpose of it, as you well
10 stated, was given to us as responding to COVID and
11 so who can object that you're buying hand
12 sanitizer. But as we look throughout the nation
13 there are stories that some counties used the
14 money, I think Green Bay, Wisconsin is one that I
15 have heard of where the money was used to hire
16 private people to come in and take over the
17 government. And so I think that one of the things
18 or my input on this is the key to me on accepting
19 this money is the people who allocate it have to
20 stand before the people and let the people judge
21 whether they made a good choice or not. And as
22 you're talking about donated funds, you're
23 responsible to the donors and those donors might
24 not even be in Georgia. So if somebody in Oregon
25 wants to give money in Georgia, what's -- you
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1 know, what's going on there and is there an
2 accountability if we're being responsible to
3 donors in Oregon, did they get a -- did the people
4 from Georgia like what they did? So I think one
5 of the keys as the discussion keeps going for me
6 is the one of accountability --
7 (Audio disruption)
8 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I told you that you should
9 not let the Chair have responsibilities with
10 technology.
11 MR. MASHBURN: But the key to me is whether
12 these funds are allocated -- is the people
13 ultimately doing the allocation, are they
14 responsible to the people? And do the people get
15 to come in every two years and say you made a good
16 expense, you made a bad expense, we're going to
17 throw you out, we don't like the way you spend
18 money. So that's the input that I would give in
19 this forum where we're able to give our opinions
20 of things, that's what I'm going to be primarily
21 focused on and looking for is where is the
22 accountability and who gets the ultimate final
23 approval on whether that was a good expense or a
24 bad expense?
25 And then one final, I said that was final,
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1 but I have another one is, you know, a particular
2 problem if you allocate it on a per capita basis,
3 you have a particular problem in counties where
4 there are very identifiable demographic issues
5 where you have a 100 percent Republican precincts
6 and 100 percent Democrat precincts in the same
7 county. I don't think per capita there is
8 sufficient and I think you got to dig even deeper
9 and say is this county allocating it just to one
10 party or another, so it even needs to dig deeper
11 than that.
12 But to circle back, thank you for all your
13 hard work and your contribution to this and I look
14 forward to the discussions as we continue to
15 wrestle with this, but I think the general
16 assembly was very wise and very smart to get a
17 handle on it even if it was just a
18 once-in-a-lifetime pandemic response as it seems
19 to have been in Georgia mostly. Still, we can't
20 have the Wild West out there and money flying
21 around, so thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
22 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: You're welcome.
23 Ultimately, we have a responsibility under SB
24 202 to report and to make recommendations to the
25 General Assembly. My question is what's our
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1 process from here if we have to do that, do we --
2 do we want to approve this report, do we want to
3 have some input on giving Mr. Germany comments
4 about what we would like the report to look like
5 and work collectively to do that before we
6 finalize it and then ultimately at some point have
7 to -- I guess have to vote on the report and we
8 will and the recommendation we'll make to the
9 General Assembly; does that make sense to
10 everybody?
12 MR. GERMANY: And then, Mr. Chair --
13 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Yes.
14 MR. GERMANY: I would just add that I think
15 when any report is sent to the General Assembly,
16 in my experience, you know, that would kind of be
17 the beginning of it, so I think they would
18 probably appreciate -- if they decide to take up
19 the issue -- kind of additional input from the
20 State Election Board. So I do think that there
21 will be opportunity to kind of provide deeper
22 input on kind of more specific questions as they
23 come up with the General Assembly.
24 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So what would the Board
25 think about us providing some editorial comment to
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1 the report for Mr. Germany to consider that
2 reflects some of the comments that we made here
3 today and then try to work collectively on
4 finalizing what we're comfortable with and what
5 you're comfortable with before we submit it to the
6 General Assembly?
7 MR. LINDSEY: If I may, Mr. Chairman, I view
8 Mr. Germany's report as the -- as the first draft
9 that is given to us and it's then incumbent upon
10 us to take a look, to make any revisions and,
11 certainly, I think it should fall on some board
12 member to take that up and to take a look and then
13 come back at the next meeting with a
14 recommendation on what goes to the General
15 Assembly.
16 What Mr. Germany said regarding the General
17 Assembly is absolutely right, they're going to
18 take this report and then decide for themselves
19 what they like to hear, but it's incumbent upon us
20 to do so. And since I have said "some board
21 member," I guess that's going to be probably a
22 good idea if I volunteer, so I'm more than happy
23 to take the report and accept any input from the
24 other board members and then come back to the
25 Board with a recommendation at the next board
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1 meeting.
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Does anybody have an
3 objection to Mr. Lindsey volunteering and having
4 responsibility?
5 MR. LINDSEY: And I would like to -- I would
6 like to accept anybody else's nomination. I just
7 feel like let's keep this thing moving.
8 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I think that makes a lot of
9 sense. And, Mr. Lindsey, thank you for doing
10 that.
11 MR. LINDSEY: Thank you.
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Anything else on the
13 report?
14 MR. MASHBURN: Mr. Chair, I think one of the
15 decision points that we need to make is on
16 Dr. Johnson's point is the Board -- probably not
17 now. We need some time to think about this. Is
18 one of the -- there were previously two options
19 how you allocate this or that, but I think
20 Dr. Johnson's comment is one of the options is no
21 grants at all.
22 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Right.
23 MR. MASHBURN: So I don't think I'm ready to
24 cast a vote on that today, but at a future meeting
25 --
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1 MR. LINDSEY: That's the whole point of
2 coming back is for you to be able to decide and
3 now I plan on sitting down with each of you
4 individually to get your input to see whether or
5 not we can work out something.
6 I do worry about anytime a grant -- let me go
7 back to -- to the Hope scholarship and to the
8 lottery. Governor Miller in his wisdom decided
9 that he was not going to simply devote lottery
10 money to education in general because he had seen
11 what had happened in other states in which the
12 money went to education in general and went to the
13 General Assembly -- then they reduced so much
14 money came out of the general fund. So he instead
15 went and looked at projects that the State does
16 not already do. That's my view when it comes to
17 how we handle grants. I don't want -- I don't
18 want the grant money to ever be part of the core
19 purpose of an election system because I have seen
20 how legislatures do things. I have a little
21 experience with that. And so, you know, we -- I
22 plan on inputting my own thoughts as well as each
23 of yours and Dr. Johnson's to sort of try to come
24 up with something that the Board can work with
25 that I plan on coming back with. And then you all
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1 can decide if you like the recommendation or not.
2 And I plan on -- I fully expect to -- be more
3 changes once I make a proposal.
4 DR. JOHNSTON: Mr. Chair?
6 DR. JOHNSTON: One more comment. Mic.
7 I would also be interested in inquiring the
8 use of grants that are funneled through counties
9 for the express purpose of use in elections that
10 have no control by the State Election Board so
11 that, although out -- we've prohibited election
12 offices from receiving grants, it seems to me that
13 it may be a go-around for counties to receive
14 grants and then utilize those monies as if it were
15 directly to an election office.
16 MR. LINDSEY: Something else for us to take a
17 look at.
18 Mr. Chairman, may I also add, I -- I also
19 want us to take a good look at the statute because
20 I do -- I am concerned about unintended
21 consequences. I, personally, as I'm sitting here
22 and it was raised a little while ago, I think I
23 voted in a place that was donated by a private
24 institution my entire life either a church or a
25 synagogue, I've -- and a VFW place, and -- all of
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1 which was donated and I certainly don't want to --
2 if the present statute would somehow limit those
3 entities or other entities from being able to
4 donate space to a county, I want to certainly make
5 sure that we recommend to the General Assembly
6 that they that we fix that. So that's something
7 else I want to take a look at.
8 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I think, Mr. Lindsey, the
9 Board is giving you this charge --
10 MR. LINDSEY: Yes.
11 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: -- that we begin with,
12 don't make any grants at all or if we make grants,
13 do they extend to grants that might be going
14 directly to counties and everything in between and
15 it's not just cash but it's any kind of
16 contributions and we appreciate your willingness
17 to talk to us individually about this and to draft
18 something for us to review. Anything else on this
19 issue?
20 SPEAKER: You may have to mic up.
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Mine is on.
22 The next order of business is our
23 investigation reports beginning with the consent
24 cases. I'm going to give you a little bit of
25 background before we get into that.
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1 The Board receives a large number of
2 complaints for investigation review and the number
3 of complaints is greater than it was in the past.
4 The process for complaints is that because we are
5 only five board members that we do not personally
6 investigate complaints, but we use the services of
7 the Investigation Division of the Secretary of
8 State's Office. But I want to explain further
9 what that relationship is. I will acknowledge
10 that there has been -- as we move from a board
11 being constituted the way it was before SB 202 to
12 what it is today, that there are some technical
13 things that need to be done and representational
14 things that need to be done to communicate with
15 everybody, including complainants, that the
16 investigation is an investigation by the State
17 Election Board. So, for example, as we tried to
18 give notification to people about the complaints
19 that were going to be on this agenda, it was -- I
20 did not catch that the letters that went out to
21 respondents went out on stationary that said that
22 it came from Secretary of State's Office. We are
23 moving towards everything being represented in
24 what we communicate to the public and to others
25 within state government that those communications
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1 are on behalf of the State Election Board. For
2 example, the agenda used to be the Secretary of
3 State's agenda. Today it is the State Election
4 Board agenda. And it's those sort of things which
5 are important, I think, in giving you confidence
6 that these investigations are investigations for
7 us, we're just using the resources of the
8 Investigation Division. But I have met personally
9 with the investigators. I did that over a long
10 session a couple of weeks ago. And I think the
11 working relationship is good. They understand
12 that these investigations are being done for us,
13 even though they're employed by Secretary of
14 State. And I want to give you confidence that we
15 are intimately involved in the investigations.
16 And if you look at these notebooks that we have,
17 that these are recommendations to us, they are not
18 final decisions. So it is our responsibility to
19 take an investigation, which I have reviewed, that
20 are competently done by investigators, but either
21 reviewed by us to tell them that we are not
22 comfortable with the sufficiency -- and this is in
23 a minority and very small minority of cases -- the
24 sufficiency of what's been done. We've asked for
25 them to go out and do additional work. I think
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1 that that's the best example of the fact that
2 these are our investigations and that the
3 investigators want to help us do our
4 investigations. They want to get for us anything
5 that is unanswered in what they have done so far.
6 And so in this case, I think there were five
7 or six investigations that we said we think that
8 more work needs to be done and asked the
9 investigators to do that and the response was, of
10 course. And because I have the most investigative
11 experience of members of the Board talking about
12 different perspectives and experiences, that I
13 have been doing that personally because I've done
14 a lot of investigations in my life and I like
15 working with investigators. Now, I am trying to
16 come up with a way in which we can get the
17 information that's necessary to make a decision.
18 As I've told you, and everybody on the Board
19 believes this, that we need to know the facts of
20 an investigation before we can apply the law to
21 the facts and so I'm very fact intensive. Every
22 member of this board is fact intensive and the
23 discussions that we are -- likely you're going to
24 hear today are questions about facts before we get
25 to how the law applies to them.
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1 So I just want to emphasize that the
2 cooperation and the collegial environment between
3 the investigators and the Board is strong and that
4 these investigations are perceived by all of us,
5 perceived by Secretary of State's Office and
6 perceived by the investigators, as work that's
7 being done for us. It just happens to be
8 resources that are in the Secretary of State's
9 Office, but the Secretary of State has never said,
10 well, we don't have time to do that, we don't have
11 resources to do that, and by the way, we work for
12 Secretary of State. That never comes up. What
13 comes up is, what do you need? We agree that we
14 can do some additional work. We understand why
15 you want it. And we are -- we appreciate the fact
16 that you're looking at things so carefully before
17 we can make a decision on them.
18 So, we are now to the first order which are
19 consent cases. The consent cases, if I were to
20 generally explain how those are viewed or why
21 they're on this consent, it's generally we have
22 found that there is no violation that we could
23 find.
24 There's two ways of not finding a violation.
25 One is that the complaint is -- does not have very
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1 much specific factual information in it and so to
2 the -- and we don't quit there. We don't say,
3 well, this is just not enough. What we say is,
4 what can we do on our own to look at this conduct
5 that occurred in a particular place because we
6 need the facts to know what happened in that place
7 to see if there's a violation. The second is that
8 we have facts and when you have the facts and you
9 believe that the facts are excitant with respect
10 to that violation. Then we go look at the law and
11 say, well, these facts are -- we think these facts
12 are, in fact, the facts here, but there -- there
13 is not a violation that these facts would show
14 that there is a violation under the law. And
15 there's actually a third way. One is that as in
16 all cases, and I had plenty of those when I was on
17 the bench and in the US Attorney's office is that
18 you'd say here are the facts, but there's got to
19 be a standard of moving forward. We can't just
20 say these are the facts, that they're all true or
21 if we interpret it in a specific way, we think
22 there probably is a violation. "Probably is a
23 violation" is not the standard. The standard is
24 are there facts sufficient to prove a violation.
25 And that's what we look at to make sure that if
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1 we're going to go and have a hearing on something
2 that we have facts that we can prove that a
3 violation of Georgia law, in fact, happened and
4 then we would allow the person to respond.
5 So these are cases where one of those
6 standards had not been met and we're suggesting
7 that -- or the recommendation we have is that
8 there's no violation. That's a recommendation.
9 What we are doing today and all of us have read
10 all these complaints, have read all the
11 investigative reports, is to provide each of the
12 Board members the ability to ask about specific
13 cases or to ask for additional work to be done
14 because they are not yet, and maybe the Board as a
15 whole, is not yet prepared to make a decision on
16 these cases that they are -- that they should be
17 dismissed. So that's what the purpose of this
18 hearing is.
19 And what I'm going to do is I'm going to
20 first ask any member of the Board -- because if
21 everybody agrees that the standard hasn't met, we
22 can deal with it as a whole. And I trust that
23 everybody has read these and so if nobody wants to
24 single one out, I believe that everybody has made
25 a decision that based upon what we have in the
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1 investigative report shows that it's proper to
2 dismiss it. But where we're going to start is I'm
3 going allow each board member to say are there any
4 of these cases -- because they've read it, they've
5 got questions about it or they might want
6 something else to be done, that they would like to
7 discuss individually. When that happens, we'll
8 ask the investigator to tell us, kind of,
9 summarize the investigation and maybe we will have
10 a discussion and questions can be asked by the
11 person who wants to pull it or anybody else on the
12 Board before we make a decision on that complaint.
13 So that's a long explanation of the process,
14 but you need to know the process and I want you to
15 know the process and I want you to test our
16 process that we -- that we are going to do what I
17 told you we're going to do.
18 If it's a really short question I'll take it,
19 but...
20 SPEAKER: Do the persons here in these cases
21 that we talk about do they have any input as to
22 how the investigation was handled since -- my -- I
23 told everyone on my case and I didn't hear the --
24 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So are you a complainant or
25 a respondent?
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1 SPEAKER: I'm a complainant.
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: A complainant, so you're
3 the one that filed the complaint?
4 SPEAKER: I filed it, yeah --
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Well, after the Board has
6 their questions if you want to say something, I'll
7 give you a couple of minutes to do that.
8 SPEAKER: Okay. Thank you.
9 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: But we've got a lot to do
10 today.
11 SPEAKER: Just so that --
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So we'll let you -- as the
13 complainant, let's get the answers from the Board
14 members first. So who -- let's begin with the
15 most senior board member, Mr. Mashburn.
16 MR. MASHBURN: I don't have any pull out,
17 Mr. Chairman.
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Ms. Ghazal.
19 MS. GHAZAL: I have a few, but hopefully we
20 will be able to take care of it very briefly.
21 One -- the first one is case 2020-225, Henry
22 County and that's tab eight.
23 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you.
24 MS. GHAZAL: Case --
25 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Let's take them as -- let's
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1 take them one at a time.
2 MS. GHAZAL: Okay.
3 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Great. Sara. Let me give
4 this a brief -- or maybe do you want to ask your
5 question, have her direct her response to your
6 question?
7 MS. GHAZAL: Yes. There were -- within the
8 investigation, there was an indication from a
9 voter that they had received multiple copies of
10 absentee ballots, while they only voted one.
11 There was a suggestion that four ballots were
12 actually mailed to the voter.
13 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So was your question --
14 MS. GHAZAL: Was that confirmed? And I also
15 may have put my note on the wrong case. I put
16 that in the wrong case, so I'm so sorry. It must
17 be the wrong tab here. But there was -- there was
18 a case in which there were four.
19 DR. JOHNSTON: That's the right one.
20 MR. LINDSEY: You have the right one.
21 MS. GHAZAL: Is that the right one? Okay.
22 That's right, yeah. They were all postmarked
23 December 20th, all information on the envelopes
24 are the same. Do you -- does the investigation
25 file indicate that the investigator actually saw
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1 all four envelopes?
2 MS. KOTH: I'm sorry, what was the question?
3 MS. GHAZAL: The facts suggest that the --
4 that a voter had received four separate ballots
5 due to some administrative error, but I would
6 request that the investigators go back and inquire
7 a little bit more as to how that happened.
8 Basically, that shouldn't happen. The processes
9 within the office, the registrar's office
10 processing the absentee ballot application should
11 not allow for four ballots to be issued to the
12 same voter and I just -- I want some confirmation
13 that that actually happened. That it's not
14 entirely clear from my reading of the file that
15 four absentee ballots were issued to the same
16 voter so I think it would be very helpful to me to
17 determine whether or not that actually happened
18 and if so, how, and what the county office has
19 done to make sure this can't happen again.
20 MS. KOTH: This was a case that was taken
21 over from another investigator that left and I was
22 -- when you were saying that with the four, there
23 was a case in Henry County where the investigator
24 did go pick them up. I can't say for sure if this
25 was this one because I'm not seeing it in the
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1 narrative either, so --
2 MS. GHAZAL: Right.
3 MS. KOTH: -- I believe they did, but I can't
4 say for certain because I don't see it written on
5 there.
6 MS. GHAZAL: It would be really helpful if
7 you could confirm that and then just come back to
8 the next meeting. And then if we can figure out
9 what happened and where the fail safes failed
10 because it shouldn't -- it shouldn't be possible
11 for this to happen, so we just need to understand
12 if there are -- there's additional training that
13 the county needs or something like that.
14 MS. KOTH: Yes.
15 MS. GHAZAL: Thank you. I have three others.
16 MR. LINDSEY: So, Mr. Chairman, would the
17 proper thing for us to simply move to continue
18 this rather than dismiss to the next hearing?
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Is that your request?
22 MS. GHAZAL: Yes, that's what I --
23 MR. LINDSEY: I would make that motion,
24 Mr. Chairman.
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2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any discussion? All those
3 in favor say "aye."
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Opposed?
6 (No response.)
7 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Then it's continued.
8 Next, Ms. Ghazal.
9 MS. GHAZAL: Yes. The next one was related
10 to tab 20 which is Brooks County, a voter
11 registration issue. And this case, I'll let you
12 find it first.
13 In this case the voter had registered late in
14 the process and therefore their names were not
15 found on the electronic poll books and they were
16 asked to submit a provisional ballot. I don't see
17 any indication in the investigation whether or not
18 the supplemental list of electors was present at
19 the precinct on election day because that -- under
20 Georgia Regulation 183-1-12.19 Subparagraph 10,
21 every precinct should have a supplemental list of
22 voters for -- that is a paper copy of voters who
23 registered at the last minute. The electronic
24 poll books don't necessarily contain these
25 last-minute updates, but these lists do and when
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1 voters appear on these lists they should be
2 allowed to vote on a BMD, a regular ballot as
3 opposed to a provisional ballot. But the
4 investigational report doesn't reflect whether or
5 not that was there at the precinct. Because that
6 -- if it was there, then the poll worker erred and
7 if it wasn't there then the county erred.
8 MS. KOTH: Okay.
9 MS. GHAZAL: So again, I would -- I would
10 move that we continue this case to add that
11 inquiry and then review it after that fact has
12 been found one way or the other.
13 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I assume that you don't
14 have any information to be able to confirm what
15 happened as far as the listing?
16 MS. KOTH: No, I don't have that information.
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Is there a motion to
18 continue this case?
19 MS. GHAZAL: I move to continue the case.
21 (No Response.)
22 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All right. The motion
23 fails for want of second. So let's go on to the
24 next one.
25 MS. GHAZAL: I'm done.
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1 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Ms. Ghazal is done. Next.
2 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah, two if I could. If I
3 can, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to sort of talk about
4 two of them.
5 One is simply just a comment. That is the
6 Dougherty County matter, 2018-106.
7 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: What tab is that?
8 MR. LINDSEY: And that's tab 2, that's the
9 first one. It's unclear, I don't -- I'm not
10 seeking to continue this matter, but this is
11 something that I think that is for us to take a
12 look at because part of our duty is to make
13 recommendations to the General Assembly regarding
14 any tweaks in the election law. And, you know,
15 I'm assuming that these students are telling the
16 truth, that they thought they had made an
17 application to -- that some of them was doing the
18 voter drive, but apparently those were not turned
19 in and I think that the General Assembly needs to
20 take a look at this sort of situation to determine
21 whether or not -- because in effect, that's fraud
22 that someone thought that they were making --
23 doing what they should have been doing in order to
24 be registered to vote and that someone didn't do
25 -- didn't take their application and turn it in as
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1 they promised to do. So, and that's simply a
2 comment on my part, Mr. Chairman. I'm not --
3 given the facts in the case, I don't have a
4 problem with dismissing it, but I do think that we
5 need to be looking at possible recommendations to
6 the General Assembly on how to tweak the law to
7 make sure that folks who are purporting to be part
8 of a voter application drive actually do what they
9 promise to the potential voter. That's my
10 concern, Mr. Chairman.
11 DR. JOHNSTON: Mr. Chairman?
13 DR. JOHNSTON: I also had marked this case
14 and I echo the comments by Mr. Lindsey.
15 Actually, it seems -- it may be that voter
16 registration drives may be misleading or failing
17 to properly inform young voters of the
18 requirements and thus disenfranchising a new
19 registrant and to promise that they're registered
20 and actually not send the registration in.
21 Further, I would hope that no young,
22 inexperienced voter would accidentally register in
23 two locations and be prompted or not know, but
24 vote in two different locations. So, I think it
25 would be good for the General Assembly to review
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1 these guidelines.
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I think there's a lot of
3 wisdom in that. It's -- and I think sometimes we
4 treat all voters the same, new voters and
5 infrequent voters, voters that haven't voted
6 before and voters that have voted forever. I
7 suspect most people in this world know how the
8 voting system works or have had enough experience
9 to be more intuitive about the process. But I do
10 think that there is -- and a lot of it is public
11 information being made available to people that
12 are voting maybe for the first time and let's just
13 take college kids to begin with. And I think that
14 there might be a requirement that somebody who is
15 in college, let's just take that population to
16 begin with, that if we are -- if somebody seeks to
17 provide voter registration information to them,
18 have to give them a specific paper telling them
19 what their rights are and how that process works
20 might be in order. But I agree with Mr. Lindsey
21 which is I do think that the General Assembly
22 ought to look at this and see whether or not we
23 ought to treat different voting demographics
24 differently to make sure that they have accurate
25 information about what they can and cannot expect
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1 and what they need to do themselves or not need to
2 do themselves.
3 So it will take -- do we make a motion?
4 MR. LINDSEY: It's not a motion so much as
5 it's simply an observation and at the appropriate
6 time before the General Assembly convenes in
7 January, I believe that it's incumbent upon us as
8 part of our duties to make certain recommendations
9 for the General Assembly to take a look at certain
10 things and this is certainly one that I think that
11 they should do so.
12 And for the audience's benefit because I'm
13 sort of cutting, short, basically what had
14 happened was several students at Albany State
15 believed that they had registered to vote through
16 a voter registration drive on campus and those
17 applications were never apparently forwarded to
18 Dougherty County and so the students thought that
19 they were registered to vote, but it turned out
20 that they were not. Most of them, it appears,
21 were able to vote somewhere else, but what my
22 concern was, was someone may very well have, you
23 know, had this voter registration drive and then
24 didn't do what they were supposed to do which is
25 turn them in to Dougherty County and I want to
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1 make sure that sort of thing doesn't happen in the
2 future or at least we can do our best.
3 Anyway, no, Mr. Chairman, that's just simply
4 an observation on my part. I'm not asking for a
5 motion.
6 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Okay. Is the -- what is
7 our process generally when we decide that we want
8 to do something to make a recommendation to the
9 General Assembly? How do we internally do that so
10 that -- so that we don't leave here today without
11 somebody having the assignment to address that and
12 decide whether or not we're going to recommend
13 anything to the General Assembly?
14 MR. LINDSEY: Well, I'm going to turn it over
15 to Mr. Mashburn because he's been around longer
16 than I have. Not recommendations made in the
17 past. I do know that's part of the duties that
18 are listed for us I think by statute and so, you
19 know, we can assign one particular member or two
20 members of this body to make proposals for the
21 next meeting that would then go to the General
22 Assembly.
23 MR. MASHBURN: Mr. Lindsey is correct. The
24 Board does have the stated duty to make
25 recommendations to the General Assembly and so it
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1 would just be a communication that the Board would
2 draft up and vote on and transmit that we think
3 this would be good -- good law and here's why.
4 So, Mr. Lindsey is exactly correct.
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Well, Mr. Lindsey had two
6 comments. One was how do we do it and the second
7 was his suggestion that you be gracious enough --
8 MR. LINDSEY: I took the last one, you take
9 this one.
10 MR. MASHBURN: I'll be glad to work with
11 Mr. Lindsey to draft that up.
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All right. And we will
13 make -- since you've got -- Mr. Lindsey has an
14 assignment, will --
15 MR. MASHBURN: I'll take the lead.
17 MR. LINDSEY: If I'm able to continue, Mr.
18 Chairman, my second point is, it's tab 13, it's
19 DeKalb County. It dealt with allegations of
20 issues when it came to dropping off absentee
21 ballots at an absentee ballot box. My concern,
22 once again not necessarily looking to continue
23 because there's a want of evidence because they
24 can't find the tape that would help the
25 investigator be able to see whether or not the
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1 allegations are correct or not. And my concern is
2 there doesn't seem to be any kind of standard in
3 terms of the preservation of the case. And I
4 believe that's something for us to consider in
5 terms of -- I think this is something we could
6 actually do on a regulatory basis, something for
7 us to take a look at in terms of requiring some
8 conformity by the counties when they, you know --
9 they have a -- they're supposed to have a
10 surveillance, thank you very much, of the various
11 boxes and in this particular case they can't
12 discover -- they can't find the tape for the
13 particular day in question. And that raises a
14 very serious concern to me on why -- why they
15 can't find the tape. And equally so that there is
16 apparently no -- no uniformity when it comes to
17 the counties in terms of how to make sure that
18 they preserve that. I just want to -- I want to
19 sort of raise this as a concern for us to look at
20 and perhaps pull in our friends at the Attorney
21 General's Office and other places to perhaps look
22 at whether or not we can do a regulatory fix when
23 it comes to this, so that we could put forth a
24 uniform process for the counties to maintain and
25 preserve the tapes so that should a question arise
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1 such as this that it's accessible to do so.
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: That's interesting. I had
3 -- I was going to talk about this and then there's
4 actually, there's another -- and it is when I
5 first read this, it's always suspicious to me that
6 they have tapes except the tape we want, which is
7 not to say that there is any mischief going on,
8 but the whole purpose of the tapes is to answer
9 this question and because we don't have the tape,
10 we can't. And because we can't answer the
11 question, we don't have the evidence, we can't
12 move forward on a complaint which may or may not
13 be valid. If we had the tape, we would know for
14 sure. So I think that's a -- that's a good
15 recommendation.
16 And the other -- the other interesting one
17 was that we had -- we had an allegation involving
18 a drop box. I'm not going to pull this. But just
19 an illustration of how important these tapes are.
20 And there was a business that everybody
21 believed had tapes, had recordings because they
22 had cameras looking at where the drop box was. We
23 didn't have information from the drop box camera,
24 but the fellows -- the fellow, whose name we have,
25 said that he did and said that he would pull the
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1 tapes, but the tapes -- I don't think he became
2 uncooperative. I just think he had other things
3 to do. But it goes to the importance of these
4 tapes when you're trying to get visual evidence of
5 what happened or what didn't happen. Which I
6 think underscores the importance of if we have
7 official tapes, with official equipment that there
8 ought to be some requirement and we ought to look
9 into that.
10 MR. LINDSEY: And if I may, Mr. Chairman,
11 just for the audience, by contrast, there are two
12 other cases that we will be dismissing today in
13 which there was adequate video to be able to
14 actually track down the individuals who put the
15 ballots in the box. Turns out in both cases they
16 were simply putting ballots for members of their
17 family who lived in their house so, you know, that
18 dismissal, I feel were -- taking place with good
19 certainty that nothing nefarious happened.
20 In this situation, we're having to dismiss
21 because we have no evidence to be able to go any
22 further. That's the concern.
23 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Yeah. Any other comments?
24 MR. LINDSEY: Those are my two, Mr. Chairman.
25 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And just one final thing.
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1 It shows to me as the new person on the Board, the
2 value of people making complaints. We get a lot
3 of them, but it doesn't mean that that doesn't
4 help us to make evaluations about issues like
5 this. We don't just determine responses to
6 complaints, but we have to look overall of how the
7 system works. And in this case, there -- maybe
8 there is a requirement that if it had been in
9 place that we might actually have evidence rather
10 than dismissing a complaint to determine whether
11 or not there was or was not a problem with the
12 manner in which something was -- the conduct that
13 occurred on a specific date which is not available
14 because that date's not available. So, thank you,
15 Mr. Lindsey, great example of our additional
16 duties.
17 Dr. Johnston.
18 DR. JOHNSTON: Yes. So I have a question
19 about Case No. 230.
20 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Which tab?
21 DR. JOHNSTON: Tab ten. It's about voter
22 registration drives which probably just emphasizes
23 the need to look at voter registrations.
24 This case included 184 complaints from 42
25 organizations or entities and included in these
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1 complaints were 77 deceased people and a number of
2 minors that received various communications. So,
3 it just raises the issue of how we might revisit
4 this and may need -- and make recommendations to
5 the General Assembly as far as the due diligence
6 or responsibilities or accountability of voter
7 registration drives. It's not that I'm against
8 voter registration drives, but I think there
9 should be some consideration when so many deceased
10 people, dead people, are sent communications.
11 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any further comment on that
12 before I make a comment?
13 MS. GHAZAL: I do have one concern that we --
14 about overreach on our part, particularly in this
15 case.
16 People pass and the data is simply not
17 corrected for many months sometimes. I would
18 hazard to guess that the counties on a monthly
19 basis are required in official voter registration
20 lists to update according to death records. But
21 between the time of a death and the records being
22 updated, their voter registration lists will
23 contain, through no fault of anyone, the
24 information of people who are no longer eligible
25 to vote because they're no longer alive. So to
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1 blame organizations for using current voter
2 registration lists within the scope of a few
3 weeks, I feel it is real overreach on the part of
4 the State Election Board if we are trying to lay
5 blame that it takes time to update records. And
6 we're talking about a state with 7 million
7 registered voters and we're talking 77 people. I
8 would hazard a guess that every few weeks at least
9 that many registered voters pass and so I want to
10 make sure that we are looking at the facts1 and
11 not the rhetoric. These folks didn't try to vote.
12 There is nothing wrong with the system if they're
13 getting mail. I get mail for -- and I get text
14 messages for different houses that I don't own
15 because data is messy. And the public data
16 sources that organizations use are messy and
17 sometimes incorrect. So I want to make sure that
18 we are not trying to hamper organizations
19 undertaking First Amendment protected activities
20 because it somehow can be misunderstood as -- as
21 being inappropriate.
22 DR. JOHNSTON: With all due respect, I could
23 account for someone being sent communications if
24 they had been deceased one or two or three or
25 maybe five years, but in this report there were
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1 alleged solicitations from someone deceased 28
2 years, seven years, 47 years. What in the world
3 is going on?
4 And the report does not include the
5 information of whether any of these alleged
6 complaints, if these deceased people were checked
7 to see if they were on the rolls, if there was a
8 voter history of these persons and I just question
9 this targeted group. It makes me worry about the
10 vulnerable voter. The vulnerable voter -- and a
11 deceased person is the most vulnerable of all.
12 So, I think it is something that we should think
13 about and consider addressing with the General
14 Assembly.
15 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: This is a perplexing
16 question and I wonder if it has two components to
17 it. Yeah.
18 I do think that a lawyer is going to have to
19 look at this to see whether or not we can impose a
20 requirement that is constitutional -- to dictate
21 to people what list they can use. You know, my
22 experience is that -- I get a call that I'm a
23 member of a class action because my data has been
24 breached at some company. And I say, well, that's
25 interesting my data has been breached at seven
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1 companies. So there's all this personal data
2 about people out there and I think people use
3 those lists for a variety of purposes. The
4 question for me is whether or not somebody decides
5 that they are going to broadly distribute
6 information about voting or encouraging people to
7 vote based upon a list that's not a voting list,
8 whether we have the authority or whether
9 constitutionally we can prohibit somebody for
10 using that information to communicate with
11 somebody else. So that's one question.
12 The other question I think is, I know of one
13 county that updates their voter lists every month.
14 I know some counties don't do it that often. But
15 if we had some requirement as to the frequency
16 with which voter lists have to be updated and got
17 communication out to people to say that anybody
18 who is involved in a voter drive ought to use
19 those lists. And those lists are available and I
20 don't know if we charge people for them. But
21 maybe one thing we could look at is do we have the
22 authority to say that, you know, you can't wait
23 six months because there's no election coming up
24 before you update the list. One is it's more
25 expensive to do that and more time intensive as --
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1 if you get closer to an election, you shouldn't
2 wait that long. And maybe we look at big counties
3 have to do it more often than small counties
4 because they won't have as much. But I think the
5 idea of at least somebody looking at this and
6 asking the Attorney General's Office to help us
7 determine whether or not it's prudent or legal for
8 us to impose those sorts of limitations is at
9 least worth looking at and also looking at whether
10 or not we can impose an obligation to more
11 frequently update voter lists because it's
12 important to the public and to those organizations
13 that are trying to encourage voter registration.
14 But I'm happy to hear comments from other
15 board members.
16 MR. LINDSEY: Well, in the attempt to cut the
17 middle ground because I share the concerns about
18 trying to impose too many obligations on an
19 organization that is simply trying to reach out to
20 potential voters to encourage them to register.
21 But at the same token, I would like to see those
22 organizations when they do so, also provide a link
23 or information on who is eligible.
24 I mean, you know, we've been talking about
25 the folks who are reached out who had passed, but
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1 there were also a number of folks who have been
2 reached out to who were actually living out of
3 state or under age or whatever else. And I think
4 it would be incumbent in terms of -- and I want to
5 think about this, I haven't thought it through,
6 I'm just listening right now -- as to whether or
7 not we would want to see those folks doing these
8 voter registration drives to at least provide a
9 link to the potential voter to say, hey, you know,
10 this is the criteria for you to be entitled to
11 vote. I don't think that would put too great a
12 burden on them, perhaps another line on the text
13 message that I get, but other than that just
14 something to think about because I do share the
15 concern on trying to put too great a burden on an
16 organization who is trying to rely on some list.
17 But on the same token, I don't want to see an
18 organization inadvertently, and I emphasize
19 "inadvertently," send something to a person who
20 would otherwise be not qualified to vote to
21 believe -- to encourage that person to register to
22 vote illegally. And I think simply just requiring
23 that they provide some link or that sort of thing
24 to sort of say here is the criteria. I don't how
25 practical that is, but that would be sort of my
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1 middle ground.
2 MS. GHAZAL: I think that suggests that this
3 is right for rule-making --
4 MR. LINDSEY: Yes.
5 MS. GHAZAL: -- and public participation
6 process in that.
7 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah, and, you know, to hear
8 whether or not that's something that's practical
9 or overly burdensome and -- or beneficial. I
10 don't want to propose a regulation that's not
11 beneficial.
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And I'll just add, you
13 know, one more comment based upon this review
14 which I think we all have is, that there's really
15 interesting common misunderstandings about
16 registration and voting. There are a number of
17 these complaints where a number, a handful, where
18 somebody used to live in Georgia, moved to a
19 different place, what -- what is required of
20 residency is not as crystal-clear as you would
21 expect it to be. And so somebody who goes to a
22 different state intending to live in that state,
23 but because they haven't registered in that state,
24 believe that they can vote in their former state.
25 And I don't think that they believe that because
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1 they're trying to vote illegally. I think they
2 just believe that. But -- but you're registered
3 where you're registered until you change it. So
4 there is some misconceptions about things like
5 that and we ought to do a good job or the best job
6 that we can at making people aware that when they
7 change their residency, that doesn't mean that
8 they can go back to their past residency just
9 because they have not yet registered to vote in
10 the place where they are. I actually think that
11 there's some people that say, well, I live here,
12 but I really think my vote has more impact in
13 Georgia and we want to discourage that as well
14 because that's not permitted.
15 I think -- so in all of this discussion, I
16 think that there is -- we're going to work with
17 the Attorney General's Office about what we can
18 and can't do and as a practical matter, what we
19 can require or not require. Even if we -- even if
20 we can't require it, we ought to at least
21 encourage it or make the public -- somebody who's
22 going to register to vote or somebody who wants to
23 do an absentee ballot they ought to be able go
24 someplace and see whether or not they can.
25 So let's see, so Mr. Lindsey has an
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1 assignment, Mr. Mashburn has an assignment, would
2 anybody like to take this as a project?
3 MS. GHAZAL: Yes.
4 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you, Ms. Ghazal.
5 Ms. Ghazal will look into that on behalf of
6 the Board.
7 Dr. Johnston, anything else from you?
8 DR. JOHNSTON: Yes, sir.
9 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Okay.
10 DR. JOHNSTON: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to look
11 at a case on 33. It's tab 29, challenged voters.
12 I really just want to make a comment, I don't
13 think it needs a continuance.
14 But in this case of challenging voters, I
15 would just like to state that the process of
16 maintenance of voter rolls is only as good as the
17 registrar that performs those maintenance duties.
18 With the burden or the additional work that DDS
19 provides to registrars to keep election rolls
20 updated and current and with the verification and
21 communication, updating and editing their rolls
22 that they have quite a large amount of work to do
23 all the time. And I would just like to say that
24 they need to be vigilant about the issue -- the
25 possibility that when people get new licenses,
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1 they may inadvertently be put on as another voter,
2 a duplication so to say, of voters with driver's
3 license's renewals and the verification of the
4 qualification is sort of like when you register
5 for -- to get a driver's license. It's kind of
6 like a twofer, you get your driver's license and
7 you also register to vote. And there verification
8 of the eligibility of that person in the election
9 office in register's office is very important and
10 needs to be thorough and accurate and consistent.
11 So I would just like to make that comment.
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Anything that you suggest
13 needs to be done or?
14 DR. JOHNSTON: I think at some point it would
15 be advisable to look at the uniformity of voter
16 roll maintenance throughout the State in all of
17 the counties, to maybe look at their processes and
18 their policies of how they -- each county
19 maintains and updates its rolls. It's -- it's
20 their -- their responsibility.
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Mr. Germany, do you know if
22 that data is available?
23 MR. GERMANY: I'm sorry.
24 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Do you know if there's data
25 available for the 159 counties and their practices
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1 with respect to frequency of updating voter rolls?
2 MR. GERMANY: Yes, at the risk of sort of
3 putting them the spot -- there is not a microphone
4 over here. So I will -- at the risk of putting
5 them on the spot -- can speak to that but
6 out-of-state voter system that's something we can
7 look at every day to make sure counties are
8 keeping up with their -- with their list
9 maintenance.
10 MR. EVANS: So, in regards to list
11 maintenance, we have regular list maintenance that
12 counties conduct on a -- on a monthly basis.
13 Those consist of processing felons, processing
14 deceased records. We get deceased records from
15 the Department of Public Health in the State of
16 Georgia. We also get deceased records from --
17 through our partnership with ERIC which compares
18 our voter list to the Social Security death master
19 list and so the good thing about that is it does
20 capture people who move away to say, Alabama,
21 Tennessee, Florida, anywhere in the country and
22 then pass away. So we get that information that's
23 processed on a monthly basis. I already mentioned
24 felons.
25 Now, counties are updating and maintaining
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1 the voter lists on a daily basis. We can pull
2 audit reports and see what voters have been
3 touched and by what user they were changed by, the
4 record was processed by, and that happens every
5 day, even late into the night and over the
6 weekends, we'll, you know, we will notice that
7 there's some activity -- I logged in yesterday to
8 do a little bit of work and I noticed there were
9 some people in the voter registration system. So
10 county election officials, especially the closer
11 that we get to the election, are working long
12 hours and doing a lot. And I will tell you that
13 one of the best tools that we have that we utilize
14 fully is ERIC and we're a member of that. We just
15 did --
16 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Can you explain for the
17 audience what that is?
18 MR. EVANS: Yes. So ERIC is an organization
19 made up of about 33 states where we -- the
20 organization, we send them hash data so they
21 aren't actually getting voter's private
22 information, but they're able to do a comparison
23 and a cross check to see if people have moved
24 across state lines and we're able to get that
25 data. And then what we just did towards the end
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1 of June is we mailed notices to people who had
2 moved out of state asking them to cancel their
3 voter registration. We got several thousands of
4 people saying, yes, I have moved out of state --
5 because most of the time when people do move out
6 of state, the average person doesn't think, okay,
7 I need to contact my county registrar in my
8 previous location so that I can cancel my
9 registration. So we got thousands of
10 cancellations through that and without that
11 resource, there's not -- there's not another good
12 way out there to be able to get that data. And we
13 had about a -- I would say a 15-day window to be
14 able to execute that following the June 2021
15 runoff election and we were able to do that. And
16 we also did a NCOA mailing. So, NCOA is the USPS
17 National Change of Address Register. So ERIC
18 takes our data, compares that to the NCOA list for
19 anybody who filed a change of address with USPS
20 and then we send those voters a mailer also and
21 that includes people who filed a change of address
22 out of state or if they moved within the state of
23 Georgia. And then by state law we are able to, if
24 they move within the state, we still mail it -- or
25 within their county, we still mail them a notice,
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1 but if they don't respond to it we can
2 automatically move them. So we're able to do that
3 as well. So that's just kind of a general -- we
4 did the NCOA and the cross state mailers last year
5 also and then we did them again this year.
6 I will say we also processed a list of
7 duplicate registrations so not people who voted
8 multiple times, but people who, as Dr. Johnston
9 referenced a little earlier, occasionally, we will
10 see instances where the same person has multiple
11 registrations. Sometimes it's just because of a
12 name change and the person processing the
13 registration did not notice that there was already
14 a record for that person and so ERIC and their
15 data analyst sent us a list of duplicate
16 registrations. We sent that list off to counties
17 and then they were able to process the duplicates.
18 And they did that towards the end of July,
19 beginning of August. They were processing that
20 and then we're about to get a new list of the
21 duplicates as well that we'll send off to the
22 counties and that should be coming in the next
23 week or so or probably the next couple of weeks
24 and we'll send that off.
25 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Here's what I would
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1 suggest. This is a lot to digest. Could you meet
2 with somebody in the elections' division and find
3 out how often their counties are updating their
4 lists if for no other reason to see if there's a
5 way that we could -- if we're thinking about
6 people that are doing voter registration drives
7 having -- being able to kind of get on the
8 internet somewhere to see whether or not they're
9 currently or not currently registered or to have
10 somebody who's soliciting to go to that list and
11 say this person is currently or not currently
12 registered. It could be that we could couple
13 that. And so if you would -- it's going to take a
14 longer conversation I think to totally understand
15 the system, but I think that's worthwhile
16 especially as Mr. Lindsey looks at his issue.
17 DR. JOHNSTON: I'd be happy too.
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Okay. All right. Thank
19 you Mr. Evans I appreciate it.
20 And thank you, Mr. Germany, for putting
21 Mr. Evans on the spot. You did very well.
22 MR. LINDSEY: He knows how to call a friend.
23 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And in the course of our
24 discussion, we've discussed the ones that I wanted
25 to talk about individually so I have none that I
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1 want to pull.
2 There is -- can you tell me your name,
3 please?
4 DAWN HINAES: Dawn Hinaes.
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Can you stand up? I can't
6 hear you.
7 DAWN HINAES: It's Dawn Hinaes. It's spelled
8 incorrectly on the letter that you sent me it was
9 spelled -- but it's not. It's Hinaes.
10 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: How do you spell that?
11 DAWN HINAES: H-i-n-a-e-s.
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: What is the number of your
13 complaint?
14 DAWN HINAES: 228.
15 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So it's SEB --
16 DAWN HINAES: Yeah, SEB 2020-228.
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: 2020-228.
18 MR. LINDSEY: Tab nine, Mr. Chairman.
19 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you, Mr. Lindsey.
20 This is about the updating of voter -- voting
21 records in Fulton County.
22 DAWN HINAES: No -- mine -- I'm in relation
23 to my son's absentee ballot being placed in the
24 ballot box on November 3rd at 10:00 p.m. but --
25 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I'm just trying to find the
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1 right paperwork. Is that in the complaint 20 --
2 MR. LINDSEY: Mr. Chairman, she's complaint
3 number one on page 2 of 7.
5 MR. LINDSEY: On report of investigation.
6 DAWN HINAES: (Inaudible.)
7 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So you are listed as a
8 complainant along with some other people, but you
9 want to talk about your son's.
10 DAWN HINAES: Yes, what I'm trying to
11 understand how it can be settled that my son's
12 ballot was placed in the box on November 3 at
13 around 6:30 p.m., but his vote was cast on
14 October 31st -- four days prior to actually
15 physically prior to him having the ballot in the
16 physical box. So -- I have all the pictures of
17 putting in the box. He just asked if there was a
18 camera that would show him putting it in the
19 box -- placed it in the box November 3rd that
20 evening. The postman rang my doorbell. He knew I
21 was waiting for this -- letter for my son who was
22 away at college to come in the mail, he brought it
23 at 6:30, took a picture of it, because this was my
24 son's first time to be able to vote for the
25 president -- placed it in the box, took a picture
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1 of it, texted it to him that. He was concerned
2 that it wasn't going to get here on time. And
3 then a couple of days later, he was just checking
4 to make sure because his twin brother had sent his
5 vote -- to make sure that they were both valid,
6 that they had signed -- were signed and that their
7 votes were counted and then when I saw the date
8 that his vote was cast on October 31st, it didn't
9 match when it was placed in the box. His
10 brother's matched. His brother's was received by
11 me on the 24th of October and placed in the box
12 and matched on the voter website was accurate, but
13 for the poll, his was -- stated or written that
14 the vote was cast on October 31st, but I did not
15 validate the box -- so I'm just wondering how that
16 has been settled as -- like, I don't know how
17 that -- how it goes -- they made a distinction on
18 how they settled on that how did the website state
19 that October 31st was the date it was cast when --
20 (inaudible.)
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So if I could synthesize
22 that. It's -- the finding of the investigation
23 was that he can't -- 34 of these people cast their
24 vote and it was recorded. What I understand you
25 asking is how -- that the timing is off for you
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1 that it was counted --
2 DAWN HINAES: His vote was cast on October
3 31st, but his ballot was not placed in a ballot
4 box until four days later, so whoever cast the
5 vote on October 31st was not my son. He was away
6 in North Carolina at college and his ballot was in
7 the mail on the way to our house --
8 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So, was all that
9 information provided in your complaint?
10 DAWN HINAES: Yes, I have pictures. I have
11 pictures of putting it in the box. I have the
12 text messages between my son and I as he was
13 asking me, did you get it yet?
14 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: But that was all provided
15 to the Board?
16 DAWN HINAES: Yes, all the pictures and then
17 -- I have the --
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So here's -- I -- with
19 respect to that particular -- I think for that
20 particular complaint, we're going to continue that
21 to the next meeting.
22 MR. MASHBURN: Yeah, I'd like to hear further
23 investigation on that issue.
24 DAWN HINAES: I can get -- I was in New York
25 when it was updated, so I didn't have access to
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1 the --
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I understand your issue. I
3 understand that you don't know why the
4 recommendation was as it is. We are supposed to
5 make the decision on whether or not to vote on
6 this one of 34. I don't know -- Ms. Koth, is
7 there anything that you can add to this or
8 otherwise, I think we are inclined to continue it.
9 MS. KOTH: The only thing that I can add is
10 that the investigator that took this case over
11 when he looked it up in it e-Net it was correct so
12 it's possible that he was looking at -- it showed
13 the vote counting on the correct day so it's
14 possible that e-Net, you know, if there was a
15 mistake, it had corrected itself.
16 MR. MASHBURN: Yes, Mr. chairman, I'd like --
17 I'd like to make sure that this gets handled. And
18 if you would get together -- apparently we have
19 her name wrong as well and I apologize for that,
20 but I would move to continue on this issue.
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Is there a second?
23 MR. LINDSEY: On just the one?
24 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: On just the one, yeah.
25 Is there a second?
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2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: It has been moved and
3 seconded that we continue the complaint of
4 complainant number one as listed at page 2 of 7 of
5 Complaint SEB 2020-228.
6 Is there any discussion on the motion to
7 continue?
8 They're being done all those in favor and
9 continuing on that one complaint say, "Aye."
11 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Opposed, no.
12 (No response.)
13 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: It passes as will be
14 continued and we'll put it on the calendar for the
15 next meeting. It would be good at some point to
16 touch base on Sara Koth our investigator and just
17 have our discussion with her and see if she can
18 figure out what happened.
19 DAWN HINAES: Okay. Thank you.
20 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Is there anybody else that
21 would like to speak about their complaints?
22 (No Response.)
23 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Apparently not.
24 DR. JOHNSTON: Mr. Chairman, just one more
25 comment about these cases. There's -- a Mr. Cross
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1 contacted me and said that his cases, that are in
2 the consent list, he was not notified, so I don't
3 know if that's part of the process that we are
4 trying to organize and improve is to notify
5 complainants when their cases are brought.
6 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: That is a -- that is the
7 process they all get a certified letter. Regular
8 letters are not very prompt. Has he asked for
9 continuance or is he satisfied with the result?
10 DR. JOHNSTON: I do not know.
11 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So when he communicated
12 with you, is he -- he's just saying that he hadn't
13 gotten his letter but --
14 DR. JOHNSTON: Right.
15 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: -- and what did he want as
16 a result of that?
17 DR. JOHNSTON: I don't know. He contacted me
18 last night. I sent an email to the members of the
19 Board.
21 DR. JOHNSTON: -- and I don't know if there
22 was a request to continue.
23 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: You could make a motion to
24 continue if you think that --
25 DR. JOHNSTON: I'll make a motion to continue
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1 Case 033 and -- I'm sorry not 033 -- 074 and 113.
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: What are the numbers again
3 and what tab are they?
4 DR. JOHNSTON: Tab 35 and 38.
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And those are -- both of
6 those are just -- he's that -- an individual
7 complainant in those or are there others?
8 MR. LINDSEY: No, he's the individual.
9 DR. JOHNSTON: Individual.
11 MR. LINDSEY: Two points, Mr. Chairman.
12 Number one, Mr. Cross obviously knows about this
13 hearing. Mr. Cross is also very familiar with the
14 operations of this organization. He's usually
15 here. Is he not here today?
16 SPEAKER: He's in Missouri. He's in
17 Missouri.
18 MR. LINDSEY: He's in Missouri. All right.
19 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Just so we have a record,
20 could we just have name because we might rely upon
21 that?
22 SPEAKER: (Inaudible.)
23 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I'm new to this, remember,
24 so I don't know everybody who is here.
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2 MR. LINDSEY: Did he contest at all as to the
3 findings of the investigator in your discussions
4 with him?
5 Basically, this was an allegation of -- about
6 harvesting. The investigator was able to
7 ascertain that the person who put the ballots in
8 the box talked to the family -- talked to the
9 individual and it turns out that those two
10 individuals had simply deposited their family
11 members, who lived in their household, ballots
12 into the box.
13 DR. JOHNSTON: Exactly. Based on the
14 information I would agree with a dismissal, I
15 mean, to proceed with dismissing this. It's just
16 the process that Mr. Cross was not notified is the
17 only issue.
18 MR. LINDSEY: I am concerned about that.
19 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: How did he know? How did
20 he find out that they were on the agenda?
21 DR. JOHNSTON: I'm not sure. Maybe he looked
22 at the agenda.
23 SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman, may I ask a question?
24 How did he know to show up at that hearing?
25 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: How did he know that there
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1 was a hearing? How did he know that there was a
2 hearing and we don't know the answer to that.
3 SPEAKER: This hearing?
4 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: We're talking about
5 Mr. Cross. My question was: How did he know
6 there was a hearing to prompt him to send an email
7 to -- and the answer to that is we don't know.
8 SPEAKER: The reason for my question was in
9 previous hearings, for those challenges of those
10 complaints were heard, in that hearing he
11 previously said that he was not notified.
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you very much, but we
13 don't know that.
14 SPEAKER: I understand.
15 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All I'm doing is trying to
16 determine for the purpose of this record, if he --
17 if we know how he learned and we don't. And how
18 he heard in past hearings is irrelevant to the
19 matter here which is --
20 So there's been a motion to continue, is
21 there a second?
22 (No Response.)
23 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: With there not being a
24 second then the motion will not be voted on.
25 Does anybody else have any other specific
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1 complaint that they would like to discuss
2 individually?
3 All right. So we have a number on the
4 agenda, there was a number of consent cases. We
5 have continued --
6 MR. MASHBURN: My motion, Mr. Chairman, is to
7 accept the recommendations of the staff on all of
8 those that have not been continued in the section
9 entitled "Consent Cases," under Section five.
10 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Have we agreed to
11 continue -- just so that we're clear on what we're
12 not voting on.
13 MR. MASHBURN: I've got number 8 being
14 continued and that's the only one that I show.
15 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And then we have -- number
16 8 is the one person.
17 MR. MASHBURN: No, and then there was another
18 one. You're right. Ms. Hinks, what case number
19 was yours again?
20 SPEAKER: Mine was on the letter case --
21 DR. JOHNSTON: Number 9.
22 MR. MASHBURN: Number 9. So, I've got --
23 thank you -- -- so I've got number -- tab number
24 eight and Case No. 1 of tab nine having been
25 continued.
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1 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All right.
2 MR. MASHBURN: So, my motion is to approve
3 the recommendations of the staff on all those
4 listed under Section 5 consent cases except for
5 tab number eight and number -- complainant number
6 one of tab number 9.
7 DR. JOHNSTON: Mr. Chairman?
8 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: First, is there a second?
11 seconded.
12 Is any discussion on the motion?
13 DR. JOHNSTON: I believe Board Member Ghazal
14 requested a continuance of Case No. 20.
15 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: That was not seconded.
16 SPEAKER: It was not seconded.
17 DR. JOHNSTON: It was not, sorry.
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any further discussion on
19 the motion to accept the recommendations with
20 respect to the consent cases listed on the agenda
21 other than case 2022-25 which has been continued
22 and complainant No. 1 of case 2020-228? All in
23 favor say "Aye."
25 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All those opposed?
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2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Then that is our decision
3 to accept the recommendations with respect to
4 those cases.
5 Now, let's get to the next group of cases
6 which are called letter cases.
7 Letter cases are different than consent cases
8 because letter cases are cases where there's
9 support for a violation, but the recommendation is
10 to resolve the complaint by sending a letter to
11 the respondent without any proposal for a sanction
12 or referral to Attorney General or another law
13 enforcement entity.
14 I'll ask my board colleagues, is that a fair
15 description of letter cases?
16 DR. JOHNSTON: Yes.
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: We'll go through the same
18 process. Is there any board member that would
19 like to discuss a letter case individually and
20 we'll begin with Mr. Mashburn?
21 MR. MASHBURN: Yes, I'd like to pull out for
22 discussion Case No. 2020-123 Hancock County, tab
23 number 44 and Case No. 2021 --
24 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Let's start with --
25 MS. KOCH: We received a complaint from a
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1 local democratic party that were inside the
2 polling location preparing breakfast for poll
3 workers. This was at 9:10 a.m. on the morning
4 polls were open and people were voting. The
5 complainant also reported that she spoke with the
6 election supervisor and that he denied having any
7 knowledge of this and he told her that he not
8 approve of it. The complainant reports that she
9 also spoke with other poll workers that were there
10 and they didn't see anything wrong it. She said
11 that someone must have approved it since it was
12 happening. And that the individuals reportedly
13 involved and are pictured in a photo that was used
14 on Facebook.
15 The specific allegation in the complaint was
16 not confirmed.
17 Ms. Hudson was on the ballot for the Hancock
18 County Chairman of Commissioners and there was no
19 evidence to indicate the actions --
20 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Ms. Koth, can you slow down
21 just a little bit.
22 MS. KOTH: Sorry.
23 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And speak up a little bit.
24 MS. KOTH: Yeah, sorry.
25 There was no evidence to indicate the actions
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1 of Mrs. Hudson or anyone else violating the
2 Georgia Code of Elections or the State Election
3 Board rules regarding campaigning. Regarding this
4 investigation the investigator did not find that
5 Mr. McGowan nor the Hancock County Board of
6 Elections were in violation of the Georgia Code of
7 Election or State Election Board rules in any way.
8 Because of the admitted conduct of the voter of
9 using her cell phone to take a photograph at the
10 polling place during voting, Ms. Hudson was
11 potentially in violation of O.C.G.A. §21-2-413(e)
12 and there were no additional allegations
13 complaints made or established regarding this
14 investigation.
15 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All right, Mr. Mashburn.
16 MR. MASHBURN: The reason I asked this to be
17 pulled out is I don't want the wrong lesson to be
18 learned from this case. And the lesson that the
19 letter of instruction gives is that you shouldn't
20 of taken the picture and you shouldn't have posted
21 it on the internet. But to me, it's very
22 troubling when a party and a county give the
23 impression that one of the parties has taken over
24 the function of the government. And so in this
25 position we're required to make difficult choices
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1 of allocation so I don't think it would be a good
2 allocation of our resources to send it back just
3 to have another hearing to send a second letter of
4 the same thing. But I think the lesson of this
5 one is counties should be careful not to give the
6 impression that one of the two parties or three
7 parties or four parties or however many parties
8 there are have taken over the official function of
9 the polling place. And here, I think the
10 county -- I'm troubled when the response is "I
11 don't see anything wrong with it." I disagree
12 with that. I see something terribly wrong with
13 this. And so I always ask people "How would you
14 feel if the other party was allowed to do this?"
15 So, if there was Magma breakfast in Hancock
16 County, how would that have been received by the
17 people who saw nothing wrong here. So, I support
18 sending a letter of instruction on this one count,
19 but had -- had I viewed it to be an advantageous,
20 I would have it to go back and a letter of
21 recommendation be sent on, you can't let the
22 parties take control of your polling places. So,
23 I'm fine to let it move forward as indicated, but
24 I wanted to pull this for separate comments so I
25 could make that comment. Thank you.
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1 MR. LINDSEY: If I may, Mr. Chairman, an
2 additional request. And once again, I want to
3 phone a friend here.
4 It's my understanding that one of the
5 individuals was on the ballot?
7 MR. LINDSEY: And she's in the polling place
8 --
9 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: That's right.
10 MR. LINDSEY: -- doing breakfast.
11 Now, I've been on the ballot a few times. I
12 was always under the understanding, except when I
13 was voting, I was not supposed to be in the
14 precinct again. Is that not correct?
15 SPEAKER: That's the law.
16 SPEAKER: That's the law.
17 SPEAKER: If you're a candidate on the ballot
18 you are not allowed to be in the polling place
19 unless you're voting.
20 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah, that's not included in
21 this finding and that concerns me.
22 SPEAKER: One thing I would like to point out
23 is there is an exception for -- for instance in
24 this case, it was on not during early voting, I
25 don't know the specific facts here, but if you
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1 have a job in a county office building, there is a
2 law about if you are officially there because of
3 your job, but in a separate office, but in the
4 same building then you are allowed --
5 MR. LINDSEY: This would appear that the
6 candidate was actually in the room with --
7 feeding -- like I said, I don't know. I guess
8 part of this, I would like to know whether or not
9 the candidate was actually in the room where
10 people were voting because that is a matter of
11 serious concern to me.
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I have this on my list to
13 pull too. I found this troubling. I actually
14 hadn't thought of the nuances of where they
15 actually had this food, but I do think we ought to
16 know that.
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Does anybody want to move
19 to continue it?
20 MR. LINDSEY: I move to continue it.
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: For further investigate
22 seconded?
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1 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any discussion on the
2 motion?
3 All those in favor of the motion say "Aye."
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Opposed, "No."
6 (No response.)
7 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: It passes.
8 So, Sara could you -- do you have enough
9 information, Sara, from the discussion to know to
10 go back and find out where she was and the like?
11 MS. KOTH: Uh-huh.
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Okay. Thank you.
13 Just one other procedural thing. When we
14 send the letter, who drafts the letter and who
15 signs it?
16 (No response.)
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Well, obviously, nobody on
18 the Board does.
19 SPEAKER: The letter is signed by the State
20 Elections Director -- (inaudible.)
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All right. Thank you.
22 Yes, I will accept that as my assignment.
23 Which means the next assignment that comes up I'm
24 not eligible for that one.
25 Mr. Mashburn do you have a second one?
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1 MR. MASHBURN: My second one is 2021-031,
2 it's tab number 45, Thomas County food for voting.
3 Ms. Koth, can use summarize that for us?
4 MS. KOTH: Sure. The complainant reported on
5 Thursday, December 31, 2020, that a business in
6 Thomasville, Georgia was giving away free lunches,
7 400 bunches of colored greens, corn bread mix and
8 black-eyed peas. She advised it was sponsored by
9 the NAACP and Black Voters Matter and they called
10 it the "Collard Greens Caucus." The complainant
11 states "Whether or not voter fraud is obvious, the
12 aim of the giveaway was to re-enforce voting
13 blue."
14 The investigation revealed no evidence to
15 sustain the allegation of 21-2-570 giving or
16 receiving, offering to give or receive or
17 participating in the giving or receiving of money
18 or gifts for registering in the voter -- voting --
19 or voting for particular candidate. The
20 investigator interviewed National Legal Director
21 Acting Chief of Staff April England Albright with
22 Black Voters Matter Fund about the even in Eastman
23 and other locations in Georgia. Ms. Albright
24 stated they did toy giveaways and food giveaways
25 around Christmas time in different places. She
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1 advised "They tried to be a part of giving toys
2 out and helping with food issues." Ms. Albright
3 advised, "The toy giveaways and the food giveaways
4 were not to register people to vote -- voting for
5 particular candidate." Ms. Albright advised they
6 did not give people information generally on where
7 their voting locations were -- I'm sorry, that
8 they did give people information generally on
9 where their voting locations were. She stated,
10 "If someone needed to get more information about
11 voting, they would offer them the Secretary of
12 State's website and that was the extent of it."
13 Ms. Albright advised they did not have any actual
14 registrations going on and that was not the intent
15 of these events. She advised they were a
16 501(c)(3) organization and they did not support
17 candidates in what you call electioneering in the
18 State. Ms. Albright advised they gave people
19 general information about voting and the people
20 could get the food if they wanted to and they were
21 not required to vote. Ms. Albright stated she was
22 sure many people did go and vote but they had the
23 information and if they chose to go vote, they
24 could go ahead and do that. She advised it was
25 just a food giveaway.
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1 Ms. Albright stated they created the Green
2 Colored Caucus to help yet again offer people food
3 during the time period when some people were
4 struggling and it is not anything new. She
5 advised they provided collard greens, black-eyed
6 peas and cornbread to people in the communities.
7 Ms. Albright stated that they just gave the food
8 out and a flier where their voting location was
9 and the date of voting. She advised it was a
10 benevolent opportunity and major push to try to
11 make people sure people during COVID that children
12 had toys and to make sure people had food. And
13 there were no violations.
14 MR. MASHBURN: My comment on that was the
15 recommendation was there was no violation, so it
16 would be in a consent agenda. But I disagree with
17 the finding in that I think the grab a toy and
18 then head to the polls, what we try to do here is
19 we try to treat similar cases similarly and this
20 case reminded me of the vote and get a rifle
21 raffle that we sent off. We either sent off or
22 issued a letter of instruction on that. So, this
23 one, I would think is in deserving of a letter of
24 instruction in that they need to de-link the toy
25 drive from the voting. And they need to de-link
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1 grab a toy and then head to the polls. Those need
2 to be completely separate things and not linked
3 with the conjunction "and."
4 So, I would amend the recommendation here of
5 potential violations nine and actually move that a
6 letter of instruction be sent.
9 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any discussion?
10 MRS. GHAZAL: I'm recalling that there was
11 another case specifically with the toy drive, but
12 that it was dismissed with no violation, am I
13 recalling that incorrectly in a prior meeting --
14 DR. JOHNSTON: I don't know.
15 MRS. GHAZAL: -- with the same parties?
16 Mr. Germany, do you happen to remember
17 whether or not there was already a case dealing
18 with these same respondents in a prior meeting?
19 MR. GERMANY: I don't recall if we are
20 dealing with the same respondents. The fact
21 patterns that he said rings a bell --
22 MRS. GHAZAL: Yes.
23 MR. GERMANY: -- and I think what we
24 discussed is -- and I think part of the letter
25 would be some notification that since this time
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1 period, the law in Georgia has changed, so in
2 terms of at least the location of handing out
3 anything needed to be outside the polling place
4 buffer zone. And that kind of takes away the
5 question -- well, whether it's the -- case or
6 not -- that question of course still exists
7 outside of the polling place or not -- I think
8 that was -- that that case regarded a potential
9 voter instruction.
10 MR. MASHBURN: Just for the record, I'm fully
11 in favor of giving children toys at Christmas time
12 that otherwise would not get them so, I do not
13 have a problem with toy drives. I think they're
14 wonderful. God bless the Marines that have been
15 doing that for years and years, Toys For Tots, so
16 God bless them all for that. But my problem is
17 the linkage of -- if you took this and said "Grab
18 a toy or head to the polls" and made it a choice,
19 that would clearly be voter suppression, if you
20 said you can have a toy, but you can't vote. So,
21 I think you say -- switch it around and say, "Grab
22 a toy and then go vote," that gives a clear
23 impression that it's an inducement to go do
24 something. And I don't recall the linkage being
25 present in the previous case there. So, I'm in
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1 favor of toy drives and giving out food,
2 especially around Christmas time. God bless us
3 one and all, but I -- the problem that I have is
4 the linkage.
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I had pulled this to talk
6 about it also and was in favor when I first when
7 through this about sending a letter.
8 It's -- sometime circumstantial evidence is
9 as powerful in fact, in a legal instruction, it is
10 as powerful as direct evidence. And I do think
11 that there is an implied connection that the
12 giving out of toys and the giving out of food was
13 related to encouraging people to vote. And I
14 think that we need to make it clear that that
15 linkage and the time of the place of offering food
16 and toys in connection with elections and voting,
17 that it is inappropriate and that people ought to
18 be very careful. And in this case there was
19 linkage and we want to put them on notice that
20 they ought to give out toys and foods in
21 environments and couched around language that is
22 unassociated with elections.
23 So we have a motion?
24 MR. MASHBURN: And a motion to send a letter
25 of instruction.
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1 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Is there a second? Did you
2 second that, Dr. Johnson?
4 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any further discussion on
5 the motion?
6 (Phone rings)
7 That is somebody calling in with some
8 discussion I guess. Please at least mute whoever
9 has the phone. Thank you.
10 All those in favor of the motion say "Aye."
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Opposed?
13 (No response.)
14 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: The motion passes.
15 MR. MASHBURN: That is all I have, Mr.
16 Chairman.
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Ms. Ghazal.
18 MRS. GHAZAL: Yes, I would like to pull out
19 tab number -- case number 2022-105, tab 53,
20 please.
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I'm sorry, tab what?
22 MRS. GHAZAL: 53.
23 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: 53 thank you.
24 MS. KOTH: We received the complaint
25 regarding multiple counties in noncompliance
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1 pursuant to O.C.G.A. §21-2-421.
2 MRS. GHAZAL: Yes, and I would like to
3 highlight the number of counties that were simply
4 unable, despite their best efforts, to meet the --
5 and what this provision is, it is the 10:00 p.m.
6 deadline for counties to submit the number of
7 votes cast on the -- on an election day including
8 provisional ballots and absentee ballots.
9 More than a third of Georgia's counties were
10 unable to meet this deadline, so that tells me
11 that the problem is not the counties. The problem
12 is the deadline is unrealistic. And I think this
13 is really of critical importance that the General
14 Assembly understands that what they are doing is
15 they are setting up counties for failure. And my
16 job -- I view my job here as trying to make sure
17 that counties and voters are well served. And I
18 believe that this particular provision of the law
19 does not serve voters and does not serve counties
20 and that's why I wanted to pull it out.
21 When counties are having to use the resources
22 to send numbers in at an artificial deadline that
23 means they are not able to count those ballots and
24 that's where those resources should be spent. I'm
25 editorializing at this point. I believe that the
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1 resources should be focused on counting the
2 ballots and giving the actual outcome and the
3 results of the votes instead of the number of
4 votes cast. And I think that -- that the General
5 Assembly must revisit this and revise this in the
6 next session. I'm done.
7 MR. LINDSEY: Well, there's two questions
8 here if I may, Mr. Chairman.
10 MR. LINDSEY: One is whether or not the
11 requirement at all is proper. And the second one
12 is whether or not the deadline is realistic.
13 The purpose that I understand in terms of the
14 requirement is to be sure that the number of
15 ballots cast fits with the number of people who
16 ultimately are counted. We've -- we've seen
17 history throughout time of people playing games
18 with that, so I can understand the concern over
19 the time and perhaps that is something that I
20 could agree should be revisited.
21 I do however think that it's a good idea for
22 them to let us know the number of ballots that
23 were cast. You know, whether or not 10:00 p.m. is
24 a realistic number or not, I think perhaps that's
25 something that -- that maybe that we ought to ask
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1 the General Assembly to take a look at, but I do
2 in general -- like -- like the requirement because
3 it hopefully will withdraw some of the -- some of
4 the many concerns that we hear about, about the
5 integrity of the system.
6 MS. KOTH: We did revise this list because --
7 we actually went back because we were taking that
8 into consideration and the updated list
9 unfortunately wasn't in here but we did one for
10 the people that didn't report at all and then --
11 I'll have to ask the attorney what the other
12 criteria that was ordered, the ones that didn't do
13 it on the runoff election as well. So it was -- I
14 wanted to say it was like 13 instead of the eight.
15 Do you have the list?
16 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I thought we change this
17 and reduced the list significantly. And that we
18 made the distinction -- this was that a
19 pre-meeting where I was reviewing this to
20 determine what I wanted to present to the Board.
21 That we only -- it's only those people who did not
22 respond, which would significantly reduce this
23 list. And I don't know why that wasn't changed
24 for the Board members.
25 Yes.
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1 MR. GERMANY: (Inaudible.)
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I know it's a -- but you
3 have to walk over here but if I think everybody is
4 going to hear you better if you are at a
5 microphone.
6 MR. GERMANY: Thank you, Mr. Chair. So just
7 to provide a little bit more background especially
8 as to what Ms. Ghazal was saying. The impetus I
9 think really for the 10:00 p.m. reporting rule was
10 certain counties following the November 2020
11 election weren't able to say how many remaining --
12 how many total absentee ballots have you received,
13 how many do you have left. And I understand why
14 that was difficult in 2020 given the volume, but I
15 agree that that needs to be an answer that is
16 readily available very soon after the 7:00 p.m.
17 received deadline.
18 What we have found in working with counties
19 is that's not really a problem. The problem that
20 is that we are seeing working with counties is
21 reporting the actual number of election-day votes.
22 Which in thinking about this law element, I didn't
23 really think about because that data is available
24 at each polling place. When the polling places
25 close, there's a tape that's printed out that has
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1 not just the number of -- total number of votes,
2 but actually how those votes were allocated among
3 the candidates.
4 It has been more difficult than I imagined to
5 actually get that data than -- than reported. And
6 I think the reason is counties understandably want
7 to do some quality control checks on that data
8 prior to reporting it. It was a suggestion we
9 brought up with the General Assembly last year,
10 "Hey, maybe let's just focus on the absentee and
11 the early voting because that's very doable by
12 10:00 p.m." And that was really what caused the
13 question. Whereas, by getting -- by focusing on
14 the -- I call it the denominator rule, those on
15 the denominator for election-day voting, we really
16 are taking away from actually just uploading the
17 votes, which would -- which, if you upload the
18 votes, you have not only the denominator, but also
19 how the votes were actually cast, which is
20 ultimately what people want. So, I think if the
21 Board, you know, does see fit, Mr. Mashburn, to
22 make recommendations to the General Assembly,
23 something along those lines may be appropriate.
24 On this specific case originally -- and I
25 will just for the Board's knowledge, there were
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1 members of the General Assembly asking about
2 compliance with this rule following the May
3 primary and the June runoff. So, the list of
4 people who didn't -- who weren't able to get
5 anything in by 10:00 p.m. for the May primary was
6 quite large, almost a third if not more of the
7 counties. So, I'm working with Judge Duffey, we
8 determined -- what I thought we had determined was
9 to put on this list of counties to receive a
10 letter -- only counties that either didn't report
11 at all. So, not just late, but didn't report at
12 all or counties that were late both in May and
13 June.
14 The June runoff, of course, is a -- is a
15 smaller election so that -- the list of counties
16 that is currently on here, I think it's around ten
17 reflects -- reflects that update.
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Okay. That was what I
19 thought we had decided.
20 MR. LINDSEY: Question, Mr. Chairman, how
21 many didn't report at all?
22 MR. GERMANY: I don't have that in front of
23 me. It was -- it was not very many. And I know
24 one of them actually had a power outage, so I
25 think that sort of explained why that it didn't
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1 come in at all.
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Well, I think what I hear
3 you suggesting is -- first of all, it shouldn't be
4 the same letter for everybody.
5 MR. LINDSEY: No. I mean quite frankly, Mr.
6 Chairman, I'm a little concerned -- excepting the
7 powder outage, I'm more concerned with counties
8 that didn't report at all than I am with counties
9 that reported late. And like I said, I think the
10 late issue is something getting back to -- what
11 was raised a little while ago, maybe we need to
12 ask the legislature to take another look at the
13 timing requirements. But the counties that simply
14 didn't report at all, I'm more concerned with
15 them, to be candid.
16 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So, I do think it's two
17 issues maybe it requires two motions.
18 One would be if somebody wanted to move that
19 we make a recommendation to the General Assembly
20 with respect to what has to be reported by 10:00
21 and consider whether or not 10:00 deadline is a
22 realistic deadline. I will have to do some
23 research on that. If we limit it to that, that
24 might be a realistic deadline, so that would be
25 the first motion.
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1 The second would be a motion in which we say
2 that anybody who failed to report at all ought to
3 get a letter that, you know, you've got to report
4 at some point, even if you are late, which is what
5 we let other people do. And maybe a totally
6 different letter by saying that you need to use
7 your experience based upon filing the reports and
8 so if you are repeatedly late, can you -- you need
9 to explain what the problem is so that we can
10 determine whether or not there is a reasonable
11 explanation for that, including power outages for
12 those people who didn't report at all. And then
13 write back to them and appreciate -- thank them
14 for the information and that we are satisfied that
15 you're doing what you're supposed to do, but there
16 were extenuating circumstances.
17 So I would say that it's letters only to
18 people, one letter to the people who didn't report
19 at all and a separate letter, different from the
20 first, to those people -- those counties that were
21 late for two consecutive elections. And then --
22 and then the motion to investigate recommendations
23 we might make to the General Assembly about what
24 is reported by 10:00 and whether 10:00 is a
25 reasonable deadline.
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1 MR. GERMANY: I think you nailed it.
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: What's that?
3 MR. LINDSEY: You nailed it. So moved.
4 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Let's begin first with the
5 recommendation to the General Assembly. Is there
6 a recommendation for that?
7 MR. LINDSEY: So moved.
10 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any discussion with that
11 motion?
12 (No response.)
13 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All those in favor say,
14 "Aye."
17 (No response.)
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: That passes.
19 And the second would be two separate letters
20 to -- nine -- those people who did not report at
21 all and those people that were reported late for
22 two consecutive elections.
23 Is there a motion for those letters to be
24 accepted?
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3 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any discussion with that
4 motion?
5 (No response.)
6 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Being none, all those in
7 favor say, "Aye."
10 (No response.)
11 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: That passes.
12 Ms. Ghazal is done.
13 Mr. Lindsey, are there any that you wanted to
14 discuss individually?
15 MR. LINDSEY: No, Mr. Chairman.
16 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Dr. Johnson?
17 DR. JOHNSTON: No, Mr. Chair.
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Is there a motion to
19 approve?
20 MR. MARK REED: I'd like to speak on that,
21 please.
22 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And your name -- I'm sorry,
23 I should have asked you that. Your name and what
24 case is yours?
25 MR. MARK REED: My name is Mark Reed and my
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1 case is 2022-020 Habersham County, tab 49.
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Tell me again -- tab 49,
3 thank you. All right. We are ready for your
4 comments.
5 MR. MARK REED: Mr. Chairman, members of the
6 Board, I respectfully request this be moved to
7 consent list based on the investigation, which I
8 complied with freely, fully and honestly. The
9 recommendations of the investigator which states
10 that there is no evidence that suggests that I
11 made any verbal attempts to solicit votes and that
12 this be moved to the consent and this case be
13 dismissed. I know that this was just a letter
14 that you all were talking about sending, but my
15 mom always told me that you want to keep stuff off
16 your permanent record.
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And she's right.
18 MR. MARK REED: I have been elected official
19 for many years. I've been the mayor of for
20 Baldwin 13 years and most recently I ran for the
21 City Ward in Cornelia and I've participated in a
22 lot of elections and I know what the rules are so
23 I did not violate the rules. Thank you.
24 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you very much.
25 MR. LINDSEY: If I can, can I ask a question?
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1 MR. MARK REED: Yes, sir.
2 MR. LINDSEY: They did say that you talked to
3 two people within the 150 foot --
4 MR. MARK REED: It was -- when the
5 investigator came we looked and it was -- we
6 couldn't really determine if it was possible -- it
7 was possible, but they -- I was there when he got
8 brought the reel and -- there was no photographic
9 evidence, in fact, the only way they knew about me
10 speaking to Mr. Miller was that I told them
11 myself.
12 MR. LINDSEY: Sure. Thank you. That's all.
13 I was just curious.
15 MR. MASHBURN: If I can ask a question to
16 Mr. Reed. Can I ask a question, Mr. chairman?
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Yes, you may.
18 MR. MASHBURN: Let me ask you a question, Mr.
19 Reed. There was one part that I remember reading
20 where somebody was making a joke about "Should
21 they vote for you or not.
22 And you were like, "Well, maybe I can help
23 you out with that." Do you remember that? Does
24 that ring a bell?
25 MR. MARK REED: No, sir.
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1 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. I might have it
2 confused with another case, but that wasn't your
3 case?
4 MR. MARK REED: No, sir.
5 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. And so your point that
6 you're making to the Board is all of this is a
7 question over 147 feet versus 150 feet and not
8 stuff that was going on 25 feet?
9 MR. MARK REED: Yes, sir, that's absolutely
10 correct. I went into -- I was like number four
11 voter in a municipal election, special election,
12 there's not a lot of turnout. I went in and
13 voted, I came out, I went back to my car. I
14 observed people leaving -- I marked my list. I
15 drove around town looking for votes. I saw
16 somebody at the -- house, I pulled in and parked,
17 see who they were, marked them off my list. That
18 was pretty much what happened that day.
19 MR. LINDSEY: All right. Your testimony
20 before the Board is you were always pretty careful
21 that you were 150 feet?
22 MR. MARK REED: Yes.
23 MR. MASHBURN: I'm not quibbling over
24 three feet.
25 MR. MARK REED: Yes, sir. Yes, sir,
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1 absolutely.
2 MR. LINDSEY: All right. The thing I'm
3 worried about is I've got candidates inside the
4 buffer, well inside the buffer, and you're saying
5 that is not true?
6 MR. MARK REED: No, sir. No, sir.
7 MR. MASHBURN: And you've been a candidate
8 for a long time and you know the rules?
10 MR. MASHBURN: And you know the best response
11 when somebody wants to talk to you within the 150
12 feet is say, "We've got to move within -- outside
13 the feet of 150 feet," right?
15 MR. LINDSEY: You know, Mr. Chairman, we
16 oftentimes place on the consent calendar questions
17 where there may be a technical violation, but the
18 individual have come forward and have worked to
19 make sure that they understand the rules and that
20 such a thing won't happen again and those usually
21 end up on the consent calendar.
22 And so I would move to put this on the
23 consent calendar but the -- and dismiss it. I
24 guess consent calendar would be -- I would move to
25 go ahead just dismiss this one.
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2 MR. MASHBURN: Second.
4 MR. MASHBURN: And I'm -- my second is
5 contingent exactly on whether this is a 147-foot
6 problem or whether we are quibbling over
7 three feet. You promise me you're not inside that
8 circle?
9 MR. MARK REED: I promise you.
10 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. Good. Motion on the
11 second. Discussion?
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Well, I'm thinking.
13 MR. LINDSEY: And I may, Mr. Chairman, as
14 part of the discussion, let me say, because I
15 raised concerns about the breakfast that was done.
16 You know, I'll be the one to make the motion to
17 dismiss when it comes back and it turns out that
18 the person was well outside the polling place, but
19 I wanted more investigation to be done because I
20 don't know whether or not they were serving
21 breakfast in the polling place or it was somebody
22 down the street. Now by contrast here we know
23 we've got hard evidence as to what exactly took
24 place, so that's why I'm prepared to dismiss. And
25 you know when this other issue comes back up and
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1 we have more evidence, I may be very well be the
2 one to dismiss that one, but I'm not there yet.
3 MR. MASHBURN: Mr. Reed, you said you were
4 real careful about this and you're going to be
5 even more careful in the future?
7 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Here's what my mother used
8 to tell me. I didn't come -- I didn't come over
9 on the turnip truck yesterday. So, I read through
10 all of this. I actually think that maybe I can
11 help you with that -- it's in this, I just
12 couldn't find it. We live -- we have a house and
13 we spend a lot of time in Habersham County, so I
14 know the county well. And I've been a public
15 official for a long, long time. I never get --
16 would never get close to the 150-foot mark because
17 I always want to say in my conduct as a public
18 official as somebody running for election that I
19 have gone beyond what the law requires. You know,
20 I know Habersham is small and I know parking
21 places are tight. I know where this election took
22 place. But there's a lot of driving around and
23 activity where you are actively involved in trying
24 to look for votes. And the perception of the
25 public is, I think that he's pushing just as hard
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1 as he can to try to technically comply. So, while
2 I'm going to support this motion, my suggestion to
3 you, which is what this letter was going to say, I
4 wasn't going to say you -- there was a violation.
5 I would have said, "If you want to be in this
6 business and want to represent people, we expect
7 more of you." And I suggest that the next time
8 you run is you say, "I'm not even going to have
9 anybody suggest that I was close or that I was
10 engaged in too active campaigning and making it
11 look like I really, really wanted to win." Which
12 I think colors people's view about that if you
13 want to win that much and are that active looking
14 for votes, would you skirt a rule? And you always
15 want to say, "I never skirted a rule."
16 MR. MARK REED: Mr. Chairman, this whole time
17 this has been going on, I knew that I hadn't done
18 anything wrong and I don't think who reported this
19 did anything wrong either.
21 MR. MARK REED: I think because it's
22 important that if you see something that you don't
23 understand that we report it and we get to the
24 bottom of it.
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1 MR. MARK REED: So I have no animosities, no
2 axes to grind, nothing like that. I trust the
3 process and I trust in you and I appreciate what
4 you are doing. Thank you.
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Well, I'm glad you spoke up
6 and I hope to see you in Habersham.
7 Any more discussion?
8 MR. LINDSEY: I learned to practice law in
9 Toccoa it's been a long -- spent a lot of my time
10 in Habersham Courthouse.
11 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Sir, you're getting North
12 Georgia goodwill here.
13 MR. MARK REED: Thank you. Thank you.
14 DR. JOHNSTON: Chairman, I fully support your
15 words of advice, Mr. Chairman.
16 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you. All right.
17 SPEAKER: I would like to inquire about
18 the -- SEB 2021-
19 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Wait a second. We haven't
20 voted on the motion that's pending.
21 SPEAKER: I apologize.
22 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: There's no further
23 discussion of the motion, all those in favor of
24 dismissing this matter which is 2022-020, say
25 "Aye."
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2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Oppose no.
3 (No response.)
4 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: It is passed and it is
5 dismissed.
6 Now, your name and your matter.
7 SPEAKER: James Burns 2021-080.
8 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Hold on one second while we
9 find it. This is Carroll County?
10 SPEAKER: Yes.
11 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Is everybody ready. Go
12 ahead Mr. Burns.
13 MR. BURNS: Well, I recognize the complaint
14 that I made -- procedurally -- for record this
15 would be -- this was something that you were going
16 to send a letter to someone -- I just wanted to
17 know is it being dismissed?
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: No.
19 MR. BURNS: I apologize it's not knowing
20 more --
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: The purpose of the letter
22 is to say that the violation isn't serious enough
23 for us to go to a hearing and offer a sanction,
24 but it's -- it is to address the problem, how the
25 law applies, and to put them on notice that what
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1 they -- that it was -- it's just not serious
2 enough for us to take a more serious action. It's
3 not serious enough -- it doesn't reach the level
4 of us taking more severe action.
5 MR. BURNS: Okay. I'm not sure I'm satisfied
6 with that -- to some degree and the only reason is
7 I've heard a great deal of discussion from the
8 Board about updating voter rules and how big of an
9 issue this is. If I use my residence and continue
10 to vote in a precinct under an address that was --
11 over and over. I'm not sure how I can even blame
12 the county board -- those responsible for updating
13 voter rules, the election rules for my misconduct.
14 That's incumbent upon me. That's -- I would think
15 I'm the only one who knows that I'm violating the
16 statutes of the state rules. We spent a lot of
17 time talking about that.
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: This is an odd case if I
19 remember this correctly.
20 MR. BURNS: I'm worried that this is common.
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Well, this is --
22 MR. MASHBURN: Isn't this the one where the
23 people were building the house?
24 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Yes. Somebody lives in a
25 county. They are building a house in another
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1 county, but they're not living in the other
2 county. But they've sold their previous house,
3 but that's the last place that they were
4 registered to vote. And they are in temporary
5 quarters until their new house -- so it's like
6 they're in a registration-never-never-land. You
7 know, they don't live in their old house and they
8 don't live in their new house because it's not
9 done. They are living in a place where they don't
10 intend to reside except for a temporary period of
11 time before they move to their new house.
12 MR. BURNS: Sir, I agree with that if they --
13 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: You agree or don't agree
14 with that?
15 MR. BURNS: I would agree but -- if you owner
16 of record, bill of sale, October 6, 2019, still
17 voting in the old residence, December 15, 2020,
18 I'm not sure that's temporary. You call that a
19 permanent change of station or an organization --
20 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Right. Well -- I am not
21 sure that we would call that a permanent change of
22 station. That would be like somebody who's on
23 TDY.
24 MR. BURNS: For a hundred and -- that's over
25 365 days.
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1 MRS. GHAZAL: I think there's another couple
2 of distinctions here that are related specifically
3 to voter registration. And one of them is the
4 fact that if a voter moves within the same county,
5 they do have an obligation to update the
6 registration; however, the votes cast, if they
7 have not updated their registration, are still,
8 very specifically under Georgia statute, those
9 are -- those are eligible votes. Those are lawful
10 votes and they will count in the former precinct,
11 even if the voter has not updated.
12 So, in this case, in this fact pattern, even
13 though the voter was in temporary accommodations,
14 that was still within the same county so every
15 vote that they cast was still considered a lawful
16 vote, even though they did not fulfill their duty
17 to update their in-county move. I see this very
18 similar to a UOCAVA vote in which the -- UOCAVA is
19 the federal law that covers military and overseas
20 voters. When I lived overseas and I had sold my
21 house in Georgia, but I was still eligible to vote
22 at the address that I no longer owned because
23 that's the way the federal law views a temporary
24 move overseas. Now, this is obviously not an
25 overseas move, but Georgia law does address
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1 specifically in-county moves. So there is a
2 technical violation but that the voter technically
3 did not update that address, but the statute very
4 clearly states that those votes are still valid
5 votes. So I agree that it is absolutely critical
6 that voters understand it is incumbent on them to
7 update their registration when they move. Its
8 most important because we want people voting for
9 their representatives, the people who represent
10 them.
11 People in temporary housing -- and I think
12 we're seeing this more and more -- it's a very
13 complicated issue because residence for purposes
14 of voter registration is a subjective test to a
15 certain extent. Do you expect, do you anticipate
16 remaining in that location? Does this -- is this
17 your -- do you have a present intent to leave or
18 to remain? And when you're building a house,
19 especially in the middle of a pandemic, timelines
20 always slip. I should've moved myself two weeks
21 ago, but I couldn't because we're not ready yet.
22 So, I haven't updated my address because I'm not
23 staying there. I'm not sleeping in my new place.
24 So, I understand a certain amount of frustration,
25 but I believe that under the law, this is exactly
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1 where we need to be.
2 MR. LINDSEY: If I may, Mr. Chairman.
3 You mentioned you don't want to see this sort
4 of thing happen over and over and that's what the
5 letters for to make sure it doesn't happen over
6 and over, to make sure that they understand what
7 the law is and that they don't do it again.
8 That's sort of what I would call sort of the first
9 step, going, okay, you know, based on the
10 evidence, it appears that it was inadvertent on
11 your part, you don't understand the law fully, but
12 now you're on notice. That's what we're doing
13 here is putting them on notice so that the next
14 time they don't have the -- they don't have that
15 excuse the second time.
16 Well, it has been more than a year. I will
17 tell you this, when I was building a house, it
18 took me more than a year to get the damn thing
19 build too.
20 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And, Mr. Burns, I want to
21 say this: I have said this before, you filing
22 this is helpful to us in this respect two ways.
23 One, is for somebody who has not poured over these
24 laws to hear Ms. Ghazal explain to me the
25 technical distinction, I'll always remember that.
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1 So that helps for us to have a discussion about
2 why we are doing what we're doing.
3 The other important thing is that while we're
4 not bound by precedent, we do want to be
5 consistent and where there is -- in the tone in --
6 the reason why I want to be able to have more say
7 in the letters is I think the tone of the letter
8 is important. And here, the tone would be we want
9 you to know that what you did is a violation. We
10 hope that you don't do it again but now that you
11 know and hopefully other people will know that we
12 try to consistently apply the law and draw
13 distinctions between something which is provable
14 and something that is not provable. And I think
15 we, based upon the discussion that Ms. Ghazal has
16 given, shows that this is provable. It's just --
17 it's not really significant, but it doesn't mean
18 that we shouldn't at least take some action in a
19 softly-worded letter saying that "We understand
20 that there might've been some confusion and you
21 should be on notice next time not to do this."
22 But we deeply appreciate you taking the time to
23 file this.
24 MR. BURNS: Thank you.
25 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: You're welcome. And I
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1 appreciate you being here.
2 Anybody else want to speak to their
3 complaint?
4 SPEAKER: If you have a case that's going to
5 be called, we don't speak until you call the case;
6 is that correct?
7 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Well, if we --
8 SPEAKER: We are staying -- I didn't know if
9 we were allowed to stand and ask about our case or
10 if we have to wait to call our case.
11 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: No. If your -- what we do
12 is if we hear first -- we take them as a group
13 except any board member that wants to take
14 something individually, we do that, we have done
15 that. And then some -- if we haven't mentioned
16 anything about your case and you're in the group
17 of cases that we call "the letter cases," now is
18 your chance, if you want to say something about
19 your case, you should do that if you are in the
20 letter case group.
21 SPEAKER: We -- have a case number, but it's
22 2020-0034, Dade County.
23 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Do you know what category
24 that's in.
25 SPEAKER: No, sir, I don't. That' why I was
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1 asking.
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Okay. That's a violation
3 case. We're not to that category yet.
4 SPEAKER: That's fine --
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: That's fine. That's a fair
6 question. We're just not to you yet. We are
7 going to talk about the -- and when we get to the
8 violation cases, we're going to discuss each of
9 them individually so we will get to yours.
10 SPEAKER: Thank you.
12 All right. So, now is there a motion with
13 respect to the letter cases to deal -- to move
14 that the letters be sent?
15 MR. MASHBURN: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I would
16 move that the letter cases be approved on the
17 recommendation of the inspectors, other than case
18 45, which has been amended from no violation to a
19 letter case. So, it's properly now in the letter
20 case category. And I think that was the only one
21 in --
22 MR. LINDSEY: There was also a dismissal.
23 MR. MASHBURN: And there was a dismissal.
24 MR. LINDSEY: And there was one continuance.
25 MR. MASHBURN: Help me out with those.
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1 MR. LINDSEY: Mr. Chairman, we move to
2 continue Thomas County matter which was in tab 45.
3 MR. MASHBURN: And we move to dismiss tab 49,
4 right?
5 MR. LINDSEY: Yes.
7 So excluding the continued case 2021-31 and
8 the dismissed case 2022-20, you moved to approve
9 the recommendation for the remaining letter cases?
10 MR. MASHBURN: You nailed it.
13 motion? There not being any, all those in favor
14 of the motion say "Aye."
17 The motion carries in the letter cases,
18 recommendations are approved.
19 MR. MASHBURN: Mr. Chair, I don't want to
20 impose on Your Honor's, Your Chair's prerogative
21 but I would be appreciative of the ten minute
22 break before we start the violation cases if that
23 would be -- if that would be possible.
24 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Do you have a good reason
25 for the break?
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1 MR. MASHBURN: Yes. The Diet Coke I drank on
2 my way in so it's time to take a break.
3 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: We'll take a break until a
4 quarter till noon.
5 (Off the record from 11:33 to 11:52 a.m.)
6 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: We are now to the part of
7 the agenda in which we discuss violation cases.
8 Violation cases are cases in which the
9 investigator found facts to support a violation,
10 which the Board must now decide what action to
11 take on the violations found. Each of these will
12 be reported on and considered individually.
13 There is one person who wants to respond to
14 their case who has to get back to Troup County for
15 a medical appointment. I am moving that case up
16 to the first case that we will consider so that
17 she has enough time to get to her appointment, and
18 then we will take them up in the order in which
19 they are listed, except for those that have been
20 continued and that should be indicated on your
21 updated agenda.
22 So we are going to begin on Case 2020-073
23 Troup County.
24 Yes, so why don't you stay there. I'm going
25 to have the investigator report on the case, so
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1 that you can just sit there and listen to the case
2 as it's reported on by the investigator and then
3 we will let you respond.
4 Ms. Koth, please.
5 MS. KOTH: Paulette Hall reported that Troup
6 County Board of Election failed to properly follow
7 Georgia Election Code when they allowed a voter to
8 vote after she had already failed to place her
9 original ballot in the scanner before exiting the
10 polling precinct. That was --
11 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Slow down a little bit and
12 speak up.
13 MS. KOTH: Allegation 2, Paulette Hall
14 reported that Troup County Board of Election and
15 Registration member Lonnie Hollis took pictures in
16 the courthouse during advanced voting. Those are
17 the two allegations.
18 For Allegation 1, the investigator spoke with
19 Troup County Election Supervisor Andy Harper who
20 confirmed that voter, Mary Rimmer was able to
21 bypass the scanner and exit the room encompassing
22 the voting area. Mr. Harper said both he and the
23 poll manager informed the voter of the ballot was
24 spoiled. Ms. Harper[sic] spoiled the ballot in
25 accordance with SEB Rule 183-1-12-.11(9).
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1 However, the voter complained to the Board and
2 they voted to allow the voter to vote again.
3 Investigator Blanchard interviewed all former
4 Troup County Board of Election and Registration
5 Members. All of the members confirmed that the
6 complaint involving voter Mary Rimmer was brought
7 before the Board. The Board consulted with an
8 attorney before rendering their decision. The
9 attorney's opinion was the more equitably
10 defensible option would be to allow the voter to
11 vote as opposed to strictly adhering to the
12 regulation in this specific case; however, the
13 final decision was ultimately up to the Board.
14 In the minutes from a Board meeting held on
15 May 28, 2020, former board members Lonnie Hollis,
16 Albert Prado and Detrick Higgins and Johnny all
17 voted yes to allow voter Mary Rimmer to vote
18 again. Former board member Paulette Hall
19 abstained from voting and the former chairman
20 William Tatum did not vote because there was not a
21 tie. Mary Rimmer's e-Net inquiry showed where she
22 was given credit during the June 9, 2020, General
23 Primary Election.
24 Allegation 2, the investigator Blanchard
25 spoke with several Troup County Election staff
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1 members. The first being election supervisor
2 Andrew Harper. Although, Mr. Harper was not
3 physically present when Lonnie Hollis took the
4 pictures, he was on the phone with poll manager
5 Denise Cotton and overheard Ms. Hollis say, "I can
6 do what I want to because I'm a board member."
7 Investigator Blanchard spoke with Troup County
8 Poll Manager Denise Cotton said that the incident
9 involving Lonnie Hollis was brought to her
10 attention Davida Dean. Mrs. Cotton called her
11 supervisor Andrew Harper and had him on the line
12 when she approached and spoke with Ms. Hollis.
13 Mrs. Cotton asked Ms. Hollis if she was taking
14 pictures and she responded by saying "Yes, ma'am,
15 I am a board member." Troup County poll worker
16 Davida Dean confirmed she witnessed Lonnie Hollis
17 take pictures in the polling location, brought it
18 to the attention of the poll manager Denise
19 Cotton. Investigator Blanchard spoke with Troup
20 County election's assistant Vanessa Griggs who met
21 with Ms. Hollis and advised her she was not
22 supposed to be taking pictures in the voting area
23 and told her twice they needed to be deleted. Ms.
24 Hollis told Ms. Griggs she would delete the
25 pictures. Ms. Griggs said later during a Zoom
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1 conference Ms. Hollis denied taking the photos.
2 Ms. Griggs felt it odd since Ms. Hollis had told
3 her earlier that she was going to delete the
4 photos, but never denied taking them.
5 The investigator spoke with former Troup
6 County Board of Election member Lonnie Hollis who
7 denied taking the pictures. Ms. Hollis said she
8 never discussed or spoke with anyone while inside
9 the polling location and claims since her phone
10 was in her hand, they assumed she was taking
11 pictures. Ms. Hollis claimed two poll workers
12 falsely said they talked with her, but neither she
13 nor the Board were ever provided with a copy of
14 the poll worker's written complaints. Ms. Hollis
15 confirmed she spoke with Vanessa Griggs and told
16 her "If I do have any, I will delete them, but I
17 said I don't have any."
18 Ms. Hollis claimed according to the Georgia
19 code she could take pictures as a poll official.
20 Ms. Hollis was referring to Georgia Code
21 §21-2-413(e) where the last sentence states, "The
22 subsection shall not prohibit the use of
23 photographic or other electronic monitoring or
24 recording devices, cameras or cellular telephones
25 by poll officials for official purposes."
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1 Ms. Hollis considered herself to be a poll
2 official at the time of the allegation.
3 And then for the potential violations.
5 MS. KOTH: There is evidence to suggest that
6 Lonnie Hollis, Albert Prado, Detrick Higgins and
7 Johnny Freeman violated SEB Rule 183-1-12.11(9)
8 when they voted to allow voter Mary Rimmer to vote
9 again after she bypassed the scanner and exited
10 the room encompassing the voting area with her
11 paper ballot in hand.
12 There's evidence to suggest that Andrew
13 Harper and Denise Cotton violated SEB Rule
14 183-1-12.11(7) when the voter Mary Rimmer was
15 allowed to bypass the scanner and exiting the room
16 that encompassing the voting area with her paper
17 ballot in hand, that was a one count.
18 There is evidence to suggest that Lonnie
19 Hollis violated O.C.G.A. §21-2-413(e) conduct of
20 voters, campaigners and others at polling places
21 generally when she took pictures on her cell phone
22 while inside the polling location during the
23 advanced voting period of June 9, 2020, General
24 Primary Election. The incident was witnessed by a
25 poll officer who was present inside the polling
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2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All right. Would you like
3 to respond to the allegation? And remind me of
4 your name, please. Come forward.
5 Would you take this microphone that's next to
6 that tripod. See if that's live. Okay.
7 MS. HOLLIS: Yes, at the particular time,
8 this allegation was --
9 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And your name, let's have
10 your name first, please.
11 MS. HOLLIS: Name my name is Lonnie Hollis
12 and I'm from Troup County. I'm a former board
13 member of the Troup County Board of Elections.
14 I -- on the allegation of the person
15 bypassing the scanner, I have stressed several
16 times about proper training of personnel. And we
17 even had a meeting where we mentioned about poll
18 workers being trained. We were told by the
19 election supervisor that if the people wanted
20 training, they could come in when they were
21 already trained. But I had always expressed the
22 fact that you need hands-on training. Do training
23 like would be at a regular poll.
24 But the person that bypassed the scanner,
25 what happened was, you say if that's the
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1 entrance -- entrance there and this is the exit,
2 she was allowed --
3 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So, you're pointing to an
4 area that's where the window is against the wall?
5 MS. HOLLIS: No, like coming in from here.
6 Okay. Say, you come in this door.
8 MS. HOLLIS: And you go out this door.
10 MS. HOLLIS: So what happens, she wrote me a
11 letter. She walked out this door and when she got
12 to that door, she is still in the precinct.
13 She -- they took her ballot and voided it. And
14 she asked if she could vote again since she had
15 walked out with it. But she should not have ever
16 been able to walk out of that door with the ballot
17 in her hand. And if they saw it in her hand when
18 she got to this door, why didn't they see it when
19 she walked out the exit door?
20 So, she got in touch with me, I contacted the
21 other board members and we met. When we met,
22 we -- one of the Board members suggested that we
23 consult with the attorney. We sent the
24 information to the attorney and he wrote back that
25 in his opinion, she should be allowed to vote
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1 again, but he's going to leave it up to the
2 discretion of the Board.
3 So, four board members voted to allow her to
4 vote again. And I'm thinking I don't know if
5 Paulette Hall knew -- we didn't who she -- I
6 didn't know who she was. But she probably thought
7 she was a Democrat. But she wasn't. She was a
8 Republican. In my opinion, every person has a
9 right to vote on whoever's going to represent
10 them. That's why we allowed her to vote.
11 I did go by the precinct to check out reasons
12 why that she may have been able to walk out. And
13 the only reason I could figure out, you know, I
14 looked at the signage. There were signs posted
15 that tells her that she needs to put her ballot in
16 the scanner or someone should have been right
17 there at that door. And the lady was at the door.
18 I did talk to her. I didn't talk to anyone else
19 in the precinct. I did not talk to Denise Cotton
20 or whoever the other person name was that I know
21 of. I don't need to tell them who I am. I've
22 been on the Board since '13 so, I didn't need to
23 tell them who I was that I was on the Board. I
24 could do this. I knew what the code violations
25 were. As a board member, I went in there to
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1 investigate, but me being a black person on the
2 Board, we have also been told by the chair of the
3 election board who was picked by the
4 commissioners, that we cannot go into a poll to --
5 if we saw a violation, we had to contact him
6 before we made a decision on what to do about it.
7 In fact, that was the first election that the
8 new machines was used. And some of the people was
9 thinking that the ballot that they pulled out of
10 the machine was their receipt of who they voted
11 for. They didn't know. So they should have been
12 told that at the precinct or when they checked in,
13 you have a ballot that's going to be printed out.
14 It should be placed in the machine before you
15 leave. That was not told to them.
16 The other thing -- I lost my train of
17 thought. But, you know, it's just the practice
18 that we should be able to, as a board members and
19 the violation that they said that -- violation
20 21-2-413, the commissioners read the first part of
21 that code which applies to an elector. That means
22 the person that's in there to vote. But there is
23 a subsection to that code that says that a poll
24 official, and I consider myself as a poll
25 official, can go in. I did not take any pictures.
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1 I did have the phone in the hand when I was
2 walking around. And I looked at the signage in
3 there. But no one saw me take any pictures.
4 And as far as the complaint that was signed
5 by two people in that poll, I never talked to
6 either one of those. And I never got a copy of
7 the signed complaint. I asked for it. Three
8 times I asked the supervisor for a copy and he
9 said I sent it to everybody. But nobody else on
10 the Board said that they got it. So, I still
11 don't have a complaint. And if I did I would have
12 it, because I have loads of material that I have
13 compiled at home, keep as my records and I have
14 the minutes to the meetings that we had.
15 So, I think this is something that is -- they
16 may be racial or something that against me as
17 being a board member because I worked on the
18 Election Board even before I went to LaGrange, for
19 years I worked on the Fulton County Election
20 Board. I was even a poll evaluator. I would go
21 around and check the polls and make sure all the
22 signs and everything was correct and that's the
23 way I am. I'm just like to the point and know
24 that everything is going to be in the right place.
25 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Okay. I'll just ask a
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1 couple of follow-up questions. Were you talking
2 about the two doors into the polling areas, the
3 two doors that which you can enter the polling
4 area?
5 MS. HOLLIS: Yes, the entrance door and exit
6 door.
7 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And so this woman that took
8 her -- that did not put her ballot in the scanner.
9 MS. HOLLIS: No. Someone was supposed to
10 have been on the door when she walked out. If she
11 had it in her hand -- if they saw it in her hand
12 when she got to the entrance door, why didn't
13 someone see it in her hand when she walked out the
14 exit door?
15 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So she actually walked out
16 of the polling area with her ballot?
17 MS. HOLLIS: In her hand.
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Okay. Was there anybody at
19 the scanner telling people to scan their ballots?
20 MS. HOLLIS: No. No. And that happened at
21 another precinct I also visited. On voting days,
22 I'll go to different precincts and see how things
23 are working. There was a man that was -- I was
24 standing at the door with the manager of the
25 precinct and this man was walking out and we saw
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1 him folding up his ballot, putting it in his
2 pocket. And so when he got to us, he said -- she
3 said, "Sir, I need that ballot out of your pocket.
4 You have got to put it in the scanner." So, he
5 took it out and she carried him back to the
6 scanner so he could put his ballot in.
7 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Well, the Board members
8 ultimately after talking to their lawyer agreed
9 that even though she had left the polling place,
10 that she ought to be permitted to cast her vote?
11 MS. HOLLIS: Yes.
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: What was the rationale
13 behind that?
14 MS. HOLLIS: What was his rationale?
15 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: No, what was your reasoning
16 about why she should be allowed having left the
17 polling area --
18 MS. HOLLIS: My reason was that there was a
19 lack of training and a lack of observation of the
20 people coming into vote.
22 MS. HOLLIS: You know, if I'm standing at the
23 door and she is coming out and she has it in her
24 hand, I should question her, I ask her, I said,
25 "You know, you are supposed to go back and put
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1 your ballot into the scanner." But see a lot of
2 people didn't realize that they were supposed to
3 put that ballot in the scanner. Because they
4 thought that maybe that was their copy since this
5 was the first election that the scanner was being
6 used.
7 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So were there a lot of
8 people that left the polling place without
9 scanning their ballots?
10 MS. HOLLIS: Not really because that was on
11 the early voting, that was during early voting.
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: During the early voting,
13 were there a lot of people that left the polling
14 area without scanning their ballots?
15 MS. HOLLIS: I don't think so. I think
16 because I think on that polling was slow so I
17 don't know if -- and some of the polls that -- on
18 regular voting the people were catching the people
19 doing that, they were observing.
20 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Now on the -- you said you
21 had your phone with you in the polling place and
22 it was in your hand and then you were looking at,
23 I guess that notices --
24 MS. HOLLIS: I had gotten a call and I just
25 had my phone walking through there looking at the
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1 signage and if there was a sign saying that these
2 people telling them that they need to put their
3 printouts into the scanner.
4 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Did you take a picture of
5 that so that you had a --
6 MS. HOLLIS: I did not.
7 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Did you take any pictures
8 at all?
9 MS. HOLLIS: I didn't take any pictures.
10 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Okay. Any of the Board
11 members have questions?
12 MRS. GHAZAL: I have one quick question and
13 that's a follow-up. In the runoff -- the primary
14 runoff in August and in the -- in the November
15 election, did it continue to be a problem with
16 voters not understanding or was there a training
17 correction for your poll workers?
18 MS. HOLLIS: I think they did go back and do
19 some training.
20 MRS. GHAZAL: Okay. Thank you.
21 MR. MASHBURN: Let me -- matt Mashburn, let
22 me see if I can sum this up for my own purposes.
23 So you're saying that Denise Cotton, the poll
24 manager, messed up in letting this person leave
25 with her ballot without scanning it; right?
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1 MS. HOLLIS: Yeah, I don't know -- there's a
2 person that's always on the door that was on the
3 door, she was the poll manager. But she messed up
4 because she -- I -- you know, I told her, you
5 know, I would want to see her name on that
6 sign-off sheet and I would see her in court
7 because I never talked to her. And I wouldn't
8 tell her that I'm a -- you know, I wouldn't tell
9 her -- I'm going to brag on what I do. I would
10 not tell her that I'm a board member, I can do
11 this. I didn't need to tell her I was a board
12 member. She knew already. I don't need to repeat
13 that.
14 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any other questions by
15 anybody?
16 I guess not. Thank you, Ms. Hollis.
17 MS. HOLLIS: You're welcome.
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So I have a recommendation
19 from the -- from our investigator. Is there a
20 motion with respect to this violation case?
21 It seems like we have to have a motion of
22 some kind.
23 MR. MASHBURN: Yes, it does. The only
24 evidence that we have in front of us is the
25 testimony of Lonnie Hollis that Denise Cotton
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1 allowed a voter to leave with a ballot. I think
2 that's a clearly established violation.
3 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I think Ms. Hollis has
4 acknowledged that.
5 MR. MASHBURN: The question is under our --
6 were not bound by precedent. We make decisions
7 each time. The question is to what extent does
8 the Board get the responsibility for that or is it
9 limited just to the poll manager?
10 MRS. GHAZAL: The way I read the
11 recommendation here is that the Board's violation
12 was in ignoring SEB Rule in allowing the voter to
13 cast a ballot. They did so under advice of their
14 attorneys, so I think that is a factor that needs
15 to be considered. But I also think it is
16 important that boards understand, poll workers
17 understand that that is a rule. You leave the
18 polling place with your ballot, that ballot is
19 spoiled, it will not count and you don't get a
20 second bite at that at apple as a voter.
21 MR. MASHBURN: Other than Ms. Hollis is there
22 anybody here from the Board or attorney for the
23 Board?
24 MS. HOLLIS: May I say something else on the
25 SEB Rule? That SEB Rule --
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1 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: You have to use the
2 microphone because we can't hear you.
3 MS. HOLLIS: Now, we were unaware on the SEB
4 Rule but the attorney, you know, should have
5 stated that in his letter, but he did not. And
6 I'm thinking that because this is a new voting
7 procedure, that had not ever happened before and
8 that was another reason why we thought that she
9 should be able to vote because she walked out of
10 the precinct with her ballot, which is something
11 that -- the voting machines was used before, you
12 didn't get the printout. And a lot of people were
13 thinking that the printout that they got would be
14 their record of who they voted for. A lot of
15 people didn't understand that. So, by her walking
16 out with that in her hands, just like I said --
17 and there was another person at another precinct
18 that put the -- that folded the ballot up and put
19 it in his pocket because he thought that was his
20 receipt.
21 MR. MASHBURN: Ms. Hollis, another thing is
22 when we lawyers that represent the County they
23 will come to us and one of the questions we will
24 pose to them is, do you think a letter of
25 instruction would be an appropriate resolution of
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1 this matter and they'll tell us whether they think
2 yes or no. So, you don't have an attorney, but
3 I'm going to pose you with the same question. The
4 Board did something that they shouldn't have done,
5 are you willing to accept a letter of instruction
6 and say, well, we shouldn't have done it, but now
7 we know better?
8 MS. HOLLIS: No, I still don't know better
9 because I don't understand why this would -- I
10 mean, what could happen with a ballot by the time
11 she walk out one door and -- she was still right
12 there at the precinct. So, if the person standing
13 at that door saw her, why couldn't he have just
14 taken that ballot and instructed her to go back
15 and put her ballot in? I mean, why couldn't he
16 have done that? Because she was not outside of
17 the building. If she had been outside of the
18 building, I would -- would -- quite understand,
19 but she was not. She was right in the same room.
20 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Okay. Thank you.
21 MR. MASHBURN: I'm satisfied that there's a
22 proof of a violation in that they allowed a voter
23 to vote a second time who shouldn't have. And so
24 I would move that that be referred over to the
25 AG's office. And there is evidence to suggest
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1 that Andrew Harper and Denise Cotton allowed the
2 voter to bypass the scanner and so I move that
3 that be referred over.
4 But I haven't heard any evidence that she
5 took any pictures at the polling site so I move
6 that be dismissed. So that's my motion.
7 MRS. GHAZAL: I second that motion.
9 So the motion is that we refer to the
10 Attorney General's Office allegation number one.
11 And the violation by -- of the board member of SEB
12 Rule 183-1-12-21.9 and the violation of avoiding
13 the scanner against Mr. Harper and Ms. Cotton
14 which is a violation of SEB Rule 183-1-12-11.7 and
15 that we dismiss allegation number three about the
16 picture taking.
17 MR. MASHBURN: Correct.
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Here's the -- I would like
19 to amend this by saying that it be referred to the
20 Attorney General's Office -- that it be referred
21 to the Attorney General's Office with the
22 instruction that a prompt hearing be scheduled.
23 MR. MASHBURN: I consider that a friendly
24 amendment and if my secondary agrees, we are duly
25 amended.
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1 MRS. GHAZAL: Agreed.
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any discussion about
3 referring this for a hearing?
4 All those in favor of the motion of referring
5 these two allegations to the Attorney General's
6 Office for a prompt hearing say "Aye."
8 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Opposed "No."
9 Motion passes.
10 MR. LINDSEY: And just for -- we dismissed
11 the third allegation regarding the picture taking?
13 But when you go back and talk to your board
14 members you might tell them that normally in the
15 past sometimes we have referred something to the
16 Attorney General's Office for further
17 consideration and a recommendation to us, we have
18 decided that this should go immediately to a
19 hearing so that everybody can present their
20 evidence and we can decide what action to take, if
21 any.
22 But you need to get to your appointment,
23 don't you?
24 MS. HOLLIS: Yes. Thank you.
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1 We're going to take up one more violation and
2 then we're going to break for lunch. And that
3 will be Case No. 2020-30 Gwinnett County, which is
4 at tab 56.
5 Is there anybody here from Gwinnett County?
7 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All right. Thank you.
8 Ms. Koth.
9 MS. KOTH: The Secretary of State's Office
10 opened this investigation after Gwinnett County
11 Board of Registration and Election self-reported
12 that during the June 9, 2020, General Primary
13 Election it failed to deliver voting machines to a
14 polling precinct at least one hour before the time
15 set for opening of the polls potential violations
16 of Georgia law and Board Rules. Georgia Secretary
17 of State also received an additional 28 complaints
18 from various Gwinnett County voters related to the
19 June 9, 2020, General Primary Election. These
20 additional complaints from Gwinnett County voters
21 allege: Polling sites did not open on time;
22 polling locations had an inadequate supply of
23 voting machines; voting machines were not up and
24 running at the time the polls opened; voters were
25 denied the opportunity to cast paper ballots when
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1 the polls encountered technical issues with the
2 BMD units; unannounced polling place changes;
3 provisional and absentee ballot issues; voting by
4 unqualified elector; and polling locations failed
5 to comply with COVID 19 Social Distancing
6 Guidelines. So those were potential violations.
7 The investigation confirmed through self
8 admission by the then election supervisor that the
9 Gwinnett County Board of registration and
10 Elections failed to deliver voting machines to 27
11 polling precincts in a timely fashion which
12 violated General Election Code Laws as well as
13 Georgia State Election Board Rules. The
14 contradictory statements were made election office
15 employees as to whose fault it was that led to the
16 delay in delivery of voting equipment; however,
17 the ultimate responsibility rest upon the
18 superintendent/election supervisor. The
19 investigation confirmed that two polling locations
20 did not open on time and as a result was ordered
21 by the Superior Court of Gwinnett County to remain
22 open beyond 7:00 p.m. on election day.
23 The investigation also identified two
24 incidents where the Gwinnett County Board of
25 Registration and Elections delivered the incorrect
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1 voting equipment to the wrong precincts on
2 election day causing an undue delay in voting
3 process for two voting precincts as equipment had
4 to be swapped and transported to its appropriate
5 location.
6 The investigation also identified four
7 occurrences where Gwinnett County voters each
8 casted a vote for the June 2020 General Primary
9 Election via emergency paper ballot; however, the
10 Gwinnett County Board of Elections and
11 Registration failed to properly process emergency
12 paper ballots resulting in an undue delay with
13 these voters receiving the proper credit for
14 voting. The investigation was unable to
15 substantiate the allegation that polling locations
16 in Gwinnett County failed to use emergency paper
17 ballots when the use of voting equipment became
18 impracticable due to delay in delivery of voting
19 equipment.
20 All other allegation lacked merit. They were
21 unsubstantiated or did not result in a violation
22 of the Georgia State Election Board Rules or
23 Georgia Election Code.
24 The potential violations where there is
25 evidence to suggest that Gwinnett County Board of
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1 Election and Registration and Christie Royston
2 violated 27 counts of Georgia Election Code
3 §21-2-328 and State Election Board Rules
4 183-1-12.09(2) when it failed to deliver the
5 proper voting machines to the polling places of
6 the respective precincts at least one hour before
7 the time set for opening of the polls.
8 There is evidence to suggest that Gwinnett
9 County Board of Elections and Registration and
10 Christie Royston violated two counts of Georgia
11 Election Code §21-2-403 when two polling precincts
12 failed to open at 7:00 a.m. Eastern Standard Time
13 on election day.
14 There's evidence to suggest that Gwinnett
16 Christie Royston violated State Election Board
17 Rules 183-1-12.09(2) and 183-1-12.09(c) when two
18 voting precincts did not receive the correct
19 voting equipment delivered on election day. The
20 scanner intended for the Hebron Baptist Church was
21 incorrectly delivered to Ebenezer Baptist Church
22 and a scanner for Mason Elementary School was
23 incorrectly delivered to St. Stephen the Martyr
24 Catholic Church. The equipment had to be swapped
25 back creating an undue delay in the voting
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1 process.
2 There's evidence to suggest that Gwinnett
4 Christie Royston violated two counts of Georgia
5 Election Code §21-2-586 and §21-2-437 when it
6 failed to properly process and account for the
7 ballots of four electors who voted via emergency
8 paper ballot.
9 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All right. Ms. Wilson.
10 MS. WILSON: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
11 I have a big voice but -- microphone.
12 Microphone is here.
13 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: But you do have a big
14 voice.
15 MS. WILSON: Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman,
16 members of the Board, thank you for the
17 opportunity to address this board regarding the
18 issues, the allegations made against Gwinnett
19 County. I'm going to take them in sequence.
20 And I'm first going to addressed the
21 allegation pertaining to late delivery of
22 equipment. We understand that the law requires us
23 to deliver equipment at least an hour before the
24 polls. We self-reported when we failed to meet
25 both the law and our own standard. One of the
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1 things that Gwinnett County takes great pride in
2 is what call the "Gwinnett standard of
3 excellence," and we know that the deployment of
4 the equipment and hour late, at least an hour
5 late, was a failure in that regard. But I have an
6 explanation that I'm offering to the Board and in
7 so doing, I'm going to be urging this Board on the
8 count and the other counts to issue a letter of
9 instruction.
10 With regard to the late delivery of
11 equipment, the point I want to make -- I want to
12 make a couple of points on that. First of all,
13 this was the very first time that we were using --
14 I'll call it the BMD voting system, as compared to
15 the old DRE. We always have a plan for delivery,
16 timely. Without identifying the employee, the
17 employee assigned to the responsibility of making
18 sure that the schedule would work and making sure
19 that the equipment was ready to be delivered when
20 the trucks came to pick them up to deliver them to
21 156 precincts -- so that's kind of a highlight
22 fact. We deliver machines for voting to 156
23 precincts around the county. The employee that
24 was tasked with that responsibility and should
25 have been ensuring that the equipment was ready in
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1 sequence for delivery, not using the numerical
2 machines and figuring out our work on equipment
3 for number one precinct and then number two
4 precinct, they were doing it out of sequence. So
5 ultimately, on Sunday night when that was
6 determined, the individual was promptly fired on
7 Monday morning. So, the point I want to make is
8 that our equipment was being prepared but not in
9 keeping with the delivery sequence. Employees
10 then took approximately 30 hours with their best
11 effort to get the equipment ready to be picked up
12 by the vehicles.
13 The second issue that we encountered was that
14 the number of component parts and the size of
15 component parts that used to be delivered with the
16 DRE are larger in size and in quantity, in how
17 much space they take up on the truck. So, if a
18 truck used to be able to accept equipment for five
19 precincts -- and that's just a random number I
20 don't think that's actually the real number --
21 trucks could now only take equipment for fewer
22 precincts.
23 So, between the work that was needed to be
24 done to get the vehicle -- to get the equipment
25 ready for delivery and then the logistical
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1 challenge of the equipment being loaded on trucks
2 and taking up more space, those two things
3 together combined to result in late deliveries.
4 But we did self-report.
5 The point I also think is important to have
6 this Board understand is that emergency paper
7 ballots were available and in use so that no voter
8 had their vote delayed or were unable to vote as a
9 consequence of late delivery.
10 I want to spend a few more minutes talking
11 about the equipment deployment and I'll move on to
12 address the other issues.
13 Because Gwinnett aspires to a standard of
14 excellence former Chairman Nash at the time
15 ordered an inspection or an audit to be conducted
16 by National Association of Elected Officials, also
17 known as the Election Center. Those professionals
18 came in, they traveled -- I think they're based in
19 California -- they traveled to our precinct, to
20 our county and made a number of -- spent a number
21 of days, including during the election, the August
22 runoff to observe our processes and made a number
23 of recommendation regarding the warehouse
24 operation. As a consequence of that inspection,
25 that audit, that consulting effort, as a result of
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1 that, a number of changes were made both to
2 staffing, to the warehouse space that's now
3 dedicated. And so, I would offer to you that
4 there's been significant improvements in the
5 management and operation of the warehouse. I'll
6 move on because I think I may be losing one of the
7 Board members and I'm sorry about that.
8 Next. The next issue I want to discuss
9 relates to the late opening of two precincts,
10 Kanoheda Elementary School and the Beaver Ruin
11 Baptist Church. I was personally responsible for
12 filing those petitions with Superior Court to
13 ensure that the polls -- hours were extended
14 appropriately. I'm sure the members are aware
15 that there is a statutory provision that says that
16 there should be a Superior Court judge available
17 to address any issues and we promptly filed
18 petitions with the court to get extensions. The
19 delay in time -- I think one precinct their
20 opening was delayed by 14 minutes and the other
21 precinct their opening was delayed by 20 minutes.
22 I can tell specifically why that was.
23 There's a poll pad that's used at the
24 precinct and literally there's a password
25 associated with it and one of the poll
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1 officials -- one of -- the password was one digit
2 off. And she struggled for a while to figure it
3 out. Ultimately, I think perhaps she called the
4 main office on the helpline, got the four digit or
5 whatever was needed and was able to access the
6 poll pads but there was a delay.
7 The second delay arose because -- and I have
8 it in my notes. A ballot scanner wasn't working.
9 There was a delay in opening. In hindsight, the
10 poll worker should've opened the polling place,
11 allowed emergency ballots to be used until they
12 got the ballot scanner operational. That didn't
13 happen. There was a delay in opening, but we did
14 promptly secure an extension order from Superior
15 Court. So I offer that as an explanation for the
16 delay in the polls opening.
17 With respect to the missed delivery of
18 component parts to two precincts, that happened
19 board members. That was tied to the late
20 delivery. That was tied to the challenge -- the
21 logistical challenges associated with our
22 deployment of voting equipment.
23 And finally with respect to the allegation
24 relating to emergency paper ballots. I think the
25 thing that I would emphasize to the Board is that
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1 what you didn't hear from Chief Investigator,
2 Ms. Koth, was that -- there was -- this is not a
3 situation where a voter was disenfranchised.
4 Unfortunately, there has been some turnover in our
5 leadership, so Christie Royston, who was the
6 election supervisor has been replaced and I was
7 unable to get any detailed information that I can
8 come to you say, "This happened and not that." I
9 don't have any facts that I can offer to counter
10 the allegation. But I will say that you didn't
11 hear from the chief investigator that this was a
12 situation where voters were disenfranchised so I
13 invite you to consider that.
14 In sum, I think it's important that you heard
15 that we self-reported on the late deployment. I
16 think it's important that you heard that we
17 promptly secured orders from the court to allow
18 voters to vote additional time at those two
19 precincts, Kanoheda and Beaver Ruin. I think it's
20 important that you heard from me as to why that
21 happened. There were technical issues, one was
22 the poll pad, the other with the ballot scanner.
23 I think it's important that you heard from me that
24 the Board was supported by the County Commission
25 to take proactive steps to address any warehouse
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1 issues and to improve the servicing of the
2 warehouse. In fact, there's a much larger space
3 that's now available to the state in the
4 equipment, for testing the equipment, that is
5 likely to make those delays an isolated situation.
6 Mr. Chairman, at the beginning of the meeting
7 you were discussing specific and systemic
8 problems. I'll offer to you that this is not --
9 that the late deployment of equipment is certainly
10 not a systemic problem. There was an isolated
11 situation that we were literally adjusting to
12 these additional component parts, the multiple
13 component parts that now comes to the voting
14 systems with the BMDs.
15 Mr. Chairman, members of the Boards, for
16 those reasons, I would ask that you not refer this
17 matter to the Attorney General, but that you offer
18 the Board of Registration and Elections a letter
19 of instruction.
20 One minor reference I want to make. I think
21 in your report it references the election
22 supervisor is Kelvin Williams. I don't know if
23 that's been corrected in the documents that you
24 are looking at, but certainly the documents that
25 we received, Kelvin Williams was identified as the
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1 Respondent and because he is not the election
2 supervisor, I would ask if this Board does refer
3 the matter on, that he not be named as a
4 Respondent and perhaps be named the Board. He was
5 not the election supervisor at the time.
6 Mr. Chairman, do you have any questions for
7 me, members of the Board?
8 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Do any of the Board members
9 have questions for Ms. Wilson? It is Wilson;
10 correct?
11 MS. WILSON: Yes.
13 MRS. GHAZAL: Ms. Wilson, can you confirm
14 that these equipment delays were not repeated in
15 the runoff or in the general election?
16 MS. WILSON: Absolutely. I stand in my place
17 as counsel for the Board to tell you that we have
18 not -- subsequent to the June 9, 2020, election,
19 had issues with deployment of election equipment.
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: What I'm curious about is
22 that there are other large counties that have lots
23 of precincts that didn't have problems. And the
24 problem is really one where if somebody had gone
25 out and looked at the machines and said these are
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1 new machines, better go out and look at them, see
2 what size they are, get trucks that we have enough
3 capacity, it looks like that just kind of fell
4 through the cracks totally.
5 MS. WILSON: Am I invited to respond to that,
6 Mr. Chairman?
7 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: You are.
8 MS. WILSON: I'm not offering that as the
9 sole explanation. That was the second point that
10 I made. The first point that I made is that the
11 equipment was prepared -- the equipment for
12 deployment was prepared out of sequence such that
13 the precincts that should've received equipment,
14 let's say, earlier in the day or earlier on --
15 this would have been Monday? Yeah, equipment was
16 going out on Monday and early Tuesday morning --
17 the equipment that should've gone out in sequence
18 was not ready to go because the employee had not
19 prepared it to go in sequence. He had prepared it
20 in a completely different sequence. Consequently,
21 he was terminated. So this is an employee whose
22 making decisions about deployment that he should
23 not have made.
24 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And had this employee done
25 this before, the task and not necessarily making
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1 mistakes --
2 MS. WILSON: I cannot answer that question.
3 I can tell you he was terminated.
4 MR. LINDSEY: But he's not making it anymore?
5 MS. WILSON: I beg your pardon?
6 MR. LINDSEY: He's not making it anymore, he
7 was terminated?
8 MS. WILSON: Correct.
9 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Question, Ms. Johnson.
10 DR. JOHNSTON: I have question. So you hired
11 a consultant to come in and look at the whole
12 system. Do you actually have a report or numbers
13 of subsequent failure to open on time for the
14 November '20 election, November '21 election or
15 the May '22 election, how many precincts did not
16 open on time?
17 MS. WILSON: So, Dr. Johnson, I'll answer the
18 questions in sequence.
19 The Election Center did during their audit or
20 their -- the work that they did was not solely
21 restricted to the warehouse operation. It was
22 looking at everything, at all of the operational
23 aspects of the election administration for
24 Gwinnett County so -- and a report did come out of
25 that to answer your question, first.
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1 Your second question asked about subsequent
2 late openings and I'll work my way back because I
3 can go from memory and tell you that there were
4 late openings in May. The May '22 election, we
5 had four. Again, we secured orders. Please
6 forgive me, I don't remember the details of why
7 there were delays in May of 2024{sic}. I can tell
8 you that I believe from memory -- I may have an
9 email -- I believe there were delays in 2020,
10 November 2020, but I think that was limited to two
11 precincts. I don't remember the details. Please
12 forgive me.
13 DR. JOHNSTON: In November of '21?
14 MS. WILSON: In November of 2020 and January
15 '21 for the runoff, there were none. So, we've
16 had -- go ahead.
17 DR. JOHNSTON: And last November 2021?
18 MS. WILSON: Gwinnett County does not conduct
19 Municipal elections on behalf of any of the
20 sixteen cities so unlike, for example, DeKalb or
21 Fulton, we were not engaged -- the Gwinnett County
22 Board of Registration and Election does not engage
23 in any election administration for the municipal
24 elections because we don't conduct elections for
25 other -- for our cities.
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1 DR. JOHNSTON: And the handling of emergency
2 ballots, that should be a process that is handled
3 no matter what new equipment a precinct has.
4 MS. WILSON: I beg your pardon.
5 DR. JOHNSTON: The handling of the emergency
6 ballots and the accounting for those and the
7 counting of those, that process should easily take
8 place no matter what type of equipment, whether
9 it's new or.
10 MS. WILSON: Oh -- Dr. Johnson, absolutely
11 correct. Whether we are using BMD or DREs or
12 paper ballots or whatever, absolutely, there are
13 clear regulations and laws governing the emergency
14 ballot process. As I've mentioned before, I don't
15 have the benefit of knowing the details regarding
16 these allegations, either because when the
17 investigation initially happened, we don't have
18 records of what was discussed, what was agreed.
19 But I want to emphasize the point that this is not
20 a situation, as I understand it, where voters were
21 disenfranchised.
22 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Ms. Koth, didn't we find
23 that voters were disenfranchised, that they were
24 not permitted to vote? I think that was one your
25 findings.
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1 MS. KOTH: Under provisional ballots, it says
2 that Ms. Marlow, she filed a complaint saying that
3 she attempted to vote on a voting machine during
4 June 2020 General Primary and then she was given a
5 provisional ballot which she claimed -- they were
6 saying she got one, but she said she never got
7 one. According to -- after completing the
8 provisional ballot, she deposited her ballot into
9 the slot on the ballot box. And then in review of
10 the Georgia Voter Registration System confirmed
11 that her absentee ballot was canceled on June 9th,
12 so.
13 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: But there's.
14 MS. KOTH: She wasn't on the provisional
15 ballot numbered list of voters or the chart
16 presented to the Board.
17 MS. WILSON: Mr. Chairman, may I made an
18 inquiry here? I don't even know the names of the
19 voters that are -- allegedly had some issues with
20 their emergency ballots. If I could propose
21 perhaps, if the Board with respect to this issue
22 is inclined to refer the matter to the Attorney
23 General, I would ask that you continue the matter
24 to allow me, on behalf of the Board, to make
25 inquiries with the specific facts because I don't
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1 even have the facts regarding the allegations
2 related to the emergency paper ballots, so I don't
3 feel like I've been able to fully present the
4 Board's case with respect to that issue.
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any other questions?
6 Okay. Thank you.
7 MS. WILSON: Thank you.
8 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any discussion about or a
9 motion to be made?
10 MR. MASHBURN: I'll go.
11 The test of the lawyer is not when their
12 client is innocent because that's -- that's easy.
13 The question is what do you do when they are
14 guilty. And so I think that was a tremendous
15 presentation. I think you did a great job in
16 presenting the case. The County was well served.
17 Here, I think it would benefit from a Cease
18 and Desist Order that can be negotiated with the
19 Attorney General. And so I think there is
20 sufficient evidence of a violation here that I
21 think needs to be dealt with on a cease and desist
22 basis. You did everything that's -- if you have a
23 problem, you did everything that's right to do
24 once you know there is a problem. You all
25 responded perfectly, you self-reported, you came
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1 here with, this -- here is why we don't think it's
2 going to happen again, here's what we've done,
3 perfect, perfect presentation, perfect case. So,
4 I don't think there was anything wrong. There
5 wasn't anything I think you could've done
6 differently that you didn't do. There wasn't any
7 information that you could have given us that you
8 didn't give us. But I think you can work all that
9 out with the Attorney General's Office.
10 And, so there are some cases, at the time
11 I've been on the Board, where the past chair or
12 other people would be like, we're sending this
13 over because we are really mad about this. And so
14 this one is, I think you all did everything right
15 and so there's not any -- I mean, there were
16 problems and that you have got to get fixed and we
17 need as a cease and desist, but there's not a
18 sense that you weren't -- that you weren't aware
19 of it and you weren't doing your best. So, I send
20 this over with no malice or anger. You did a
21 great job in presenting your case. But I do think
22 it would benefit from a Cease and Desist Order and
23 if there is other things. So, I move that the
24 case be sent over to the Attorney General's
25 Office.
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1 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Here's my thinking on this.
2 I said at the beginning, I still feel this way
3 that when somebody -- when a county recognizes the
4 problems, takes prompt corrective action, so that
5 we are confident that it won't happen again,
6 because of the remedial action that's been taken,
7 that the county ought to be given credit for that.
8 I guess what I was unaware of is that there were
9 late openings after this event. And if that had
10 not happened, I might agree that there ought to be
11 a lot more leniency, but the value of a Cease and
12 Desist Order is that those voters who get up early
13 that go to vote because they want to get to work,
14 trust the process that the precinct will be open
15 and that happened afterwards that they weren't
16 opened. And this is a process that you and we are
17 responsible for facilitating the voting process.
18 Now, I'm not sure that I'd say it's a matter of
19 whether we are mad or not. It's a matter of
20 what's the appropriate response. And I think
21 there is something about having a meeting like
22 this and having the resolution to be prompt. So,
23 I would be in favor of referring it to the
24 Attorney General's Office provided there's a
25 representation that, one, you'd have to give up a
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1 hearing because you're entitled to a hearing if we
2 find a violation, but you want it resolved in a
3 way that there is certainty and we want it
4 resolved promptly. And if you would agree to a
5 cease and desist without any other sanction or
6 other consequence and did that in a relatively
7 short period of time, I would be in favor of using
8 that as the remedy for this violation, even though
9 we could do more. But the cease and desist, I
10 think you have to understand that if this happens
11 again, late openings, where we don't see repeat
12 violations in counties that have had prior late
13 openings, then that puts us on record and you
14 accepting that it won't happen again, absent some
15 extraordinary circumstance -- extenuating
16 circumstances. So, I don't know what your thought
17 is about that, but that's the way I think it's
18 reasonable to proceed.
19 MS. WILSON: Mr. Chairman, I know you are
20 deliberating --
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I am, yeah. Well, we are
22 kind of deliberating but we are discussing within
23 ourselves.
24 MS. WILSON: So, I am reluctant to agree to a
25 cease and desist because I don't have instructions
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1 from my client.
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I understand.
3 MS. WILSON: We have been through the consent
4 order process with the Attorney General before and
5 so I would -- if the Board is referring it to the
6 Attorney General as I believe Mr. Mashburn has
7 indicated that certainly that would be the motion
8 that he proposes to make, and to the extent that
9 that motion passes, I would be inclined to keep
10 moving in that process. It's familiar. In the
11 absence of any authority to agree to anything
12 without my client present or have access to.
13 DR. JOHNSTON: Mr. Chairman.
14 So, if there's an uncertainty that the poll's
15 open on time, and the vote -- in -- like the
16 voters are given the option to vote with an
17 emergency ballot, but there's an uncertainty that
18 that emergency ballot is counted, now there's a
19 compounded uncertainty in the process of these
20 elections. They don't open on time, you give
21 voters emergency ballots that they may not have
22 trust or the faith that they will be counted, that
23 is my concern.
24 MS. WILSON: So, Dr. Johnson, I hear you
25 concerned about a compounding problem that this
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1 case presents whereby there were two polling
2 places out of 156, in a county that has over
3 500,000 registered voters, as somehow indicative
4 of the Board of -- and then the two emergency
5 ballots is somehow indicative of -- is potentially
6 creating a lack of confidence that's what I'm
7 hearing you suggest that those two things compound
8 to leave the voter with the impression that their
9 vote in Gwinnett County doesn't count. I think
10 the evidence -- I would point to the record that I
11 believe Gwinnett County has for conducting
12 efficient elections, fair elections, I would point
13 to that record as opposed to simply relying on the
14 situation with the emergency ballots. And as I
15 said, full disclosure, I'm in the unfortunate
16 position that I can't address the Board on the
17 specifics, because I know that we have a process
18 for handling provisional ballots, we have a
19 process for handling challenged ballots, and so --
20 and emergency ballots are not provisional ballots.
21 Emergency ballots just get counted. They don't
22 come to the Board like a provisional ballot or a
23 challenged voter does, so. If I can respectfully
24 disagree. I hear your concern and I don't think
25 that that's where we are in Gwinnett County. And
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1 that's my honest and best response.
2 DR. JOHNSTON: So, it's always attention to
3 detail --
4 MS. WILSON: Absolutely and this is not --
5 DR. JOHNSTON: And looking in the emergency
6 ballot bin of every single ballot box.
7 MS. WILSON: And again, Dr. Johnson, I don't
8 know what the facts are here because it wasn't
9 provided to us in the document that I have. I
10 think that I hear your concern and when you asked
11 me about subsequent late openings, I understand
12 your concern. I would say this, that the ability
13 to extend hours, it's a statutory mechanism. I
14 think it's 21-2-414, don't hold me to that or
15 21-2-413. But the General Assembly provided that
16 as a failsafe mechanism because they recognize
17 that things happen at polling places. So,
18 respectfully I don't -- late opening where there's
19 been a technical problem that could arise from an
20 individual poll worker or poll manager making one
21 judgment call as opposed to another. The better
22 judgment call in both of those situations at
23 Kanoheda and Beaver Ruin would've been to open at
24 7:00 and let people come in, that would've been
25 the better judgment call. Instead, we are here
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1 because they kept the doors closed. That's the
2 best I have to offer in response to your question.
3 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any other comments?
4 So your motion is what, Mr. Mashburn?
5 MR. MASHBURN: To refer it to the Attorney
6 General's Office because I think it would benefit
7 from a cease and desist that I'm -- the way we've
8 done in the past is we kind of say I'm sending it
9 over with instructions. And so our instructions
10 is, I'm more interested in the Cease and Desist
11 Order part of it than I am in any fine. So my
12 motion is to refer to the Attorney General with
13 the instructions.
14 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And the instruction being?
15 MR. MASHBURN: We're more interested in the
16 Cease and Desist Order --
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: As opposed to a fine?
19 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any other questions? That
20 the motion. Is there a second?
23 motion?
24 There being none, all those in favor of the
25 motion say "Aye."
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2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All those opposed?
3 The motion has passed.
4 And is Charlene here? Wait a second.
5 Can you get to this promptly and see if we
6 can't get it resolved in discussions with the
7 county.
8 SPEAKER: Yes, our office will -- as soon as
9 possible.
10 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So you all talk to each
11 other and let's try to get this wrapped up.
12 Thank you.
13 MR. MASHBURN: Thank you. Good job.
14 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: We're going to do two
15 things. One is we're going to break for lunch and
16 we are going to go into executive session to
17 discuss some pending litigation involving Board
18 and we will be brief with our Board in executive
19 session.
20 MR. MASHBURN: Mr. Chair, I think we need a
21 motion to go into executive session so I hereby
22 make a motion to go into executive session.
24 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I was actually going to do
25 that.
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1 MR. MASHBURN: I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: But I'm glad you reminded
3 me because I might not have.
4 Any discussion?
5 There's been a motion for us to go into
6 executive session. All those in favor say, "Aye."
9 We are going to take about an hour to do this
10 so will reconvene here at 2:00.
11 (Off the record from 12:55 p.m. to 2:13 p.m.)
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Please take your seats so
13 we can continue. We are still in the violations
14 cases. We are now in Case No. 2020-033, Stephens
15 County.
16 And, Ms. Koth, if you would please brief us
17 on that.
18 MS. KOTH: The Secretary of State's Office
19 initiated this investigation based on a complaint
20 received from Rebecca Bennett, chairwoman of
21 Stephens County Republican Party. Bennett
22 reported that she has filed numerous complaints
23 against Stephens County Chief Registrar Erica
24 Gover to report that Gover had continuously failed
25 to adhere to the rules regarding the fundamentals
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1 of the election process for the past few election
2 cycles, which has caused confusion and raised
3 questions about the integrity of Stephens County
4 elections process.
5 Specifically, it was allegedly that chief
6 registrar for Stephens County Board of Elections
7 failed to:
8 One, properly communicate with board members
9 of the Stephens County Board of Elections and
10 Registration.
11 Two, failed to properly communicate with the
12 media.
13 Three, failed to ensure a posted and/or
14 communicated with official party representation,
15 candidates, campaigns or other party officials
16 that wished to observe.
17 Four, failed to complete a reconciliation
18 and/or tracking of ballots with adjudication
19 issues of potential violation of Georgia
20 Code O.C.G.A. §21-2-493.
21 And, five, properly ensure absentee ballots
22 went through the proper verification process.
23 Based on the evidence provided, there was not
24 enough evidence presented to conclude with
25 certainty that the Respondent did not properly
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1 communicate with board members of the Stephens
2 County Board of Elections and Registration; failed
3 to properly communicate with the media; and failed
4 to ensure posted and/or communicated with official
5 party representation, candidates/campaigns or
6 other party officials that wished to observe.
7 Therefore, these allegations were
8 unsubstantiated.
9 The allegation that Stephens County Board of
10 Elections and Registration improperly handled and
11 processed absentee ballots were substantiated.
12 However, these violations were identified in case
13 investigation SEB 2020-156.
14 The investigation identified sufficient
15 evidence to suggest the Respondent failed to
16 comply with the closing of the polls requirements
17 when it failed to maintain a zero tape reflecting
18 voting the devices -- reflecting voting devices
19 were set to zero, verifying no votes were present
20 on the voting equipment.
21 They did not prepare or maintain the proper
22 election records to show a discrepancy was
23 properly investigated and/or reconciled regarding
24 the total number of ballots as a number of
25 rescanned ballots reportedly did not match ballots
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1 printed at closing.
2 The assistant registrar reported poll
3 officials were not adequately trained and did not
4 know how to perform certain functions related to
5 the elections process.
6 Therefore, there's evidence to suggest that
7 the Stephens County Board of Elections and
8 Registration failed to comply with O.C.G.A.
9 21-2-99(a) that required the elections
10 superintendent to ensure poll officers and workers
11 received adequate training in all aspects of state
12 and federal law applicable to conducting
13 elections.
14 For potential violations, Ms. Gover, the
15 chief registrar of Stephens County Board of
16 Elections and Registration Board Members, Stephens
17 County Board of Elections and Registration, the
18 investigation identified there is no record of
19 opening the polls, election records on file with
20 the Stephens County Board of Elections and
21 Registration or with the Georgia Secretary of
22 State's Office, suggesting the Stephens County
23 Board of Elections and Registration violated
24 official election record document processes when
25 it: one, failed to document all voting equipment,
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1 had the appropriate seals, and that the electronic
2 poll books, electronic ballot markers and ballot
3 scanners, all indicated zero counts prior to the
4 opening of the polls.
5 Georgia Election Code §21-2-450(c)(3),
6 opening of polls procedure when ballot labels
7 misplaced, certification by managers, machines to
8 be locked until polls open, officers to be near
9 machines, inspection of machines, broken machines,
10 it stipulates: The manager shall sign a
11 certificate showing the identifying number or
12 other designation of the voting machine, the
13 delivery of the keys in a sealed envelope, the
14 number on the seal upon the machine, the number
15 registered on the protective counter or device,
16 and that all counters were at -- set to zero.
17 Six, that the ballot labels are probably
18 placed into the machine. This certain --
19 certificate shall be returned by the chief manager
20 to the superintendent with the other certificates
21 as provided in this part.
22 Two, the investigation identified there is no
23 record of closing of the polls, election records
24 on file with the Stephens County Board of
25 Elections and Registration, or with the Georgia
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1 Secretary of State's Office.
2 This suggests that the Stephens County Board
3 of Elections and Registration violated official
4 election record document processes when it failed
5 to complete a valid recap sheet and failed to
6 properly investigate and/or reconcile the total
7 number of ballots following the reported
8 discrepancy and/or palpable error and as a result
9 it violated Georgia Election Code §21-2-493(b),
10 computation, canvassing and tabulation of returns,
11 investigation of discrepancies and vote counts and
12 recounted procedure or certification of returns,
13 change in returns.
14 The superintendent, before computing the
15 votes cast in any precinct shall compare the
16 registration figures with the certificates
17 returned by the poll officers showing the number
18 of persons who vote in each precinct or the number
19 of ballots cast.
20 If, upon consideration by the superintendent
21 of the returns and certificates before him or her,
22 from any precinct, it shall appear that the total
23 vote returned for any candidate or candidates for
24 the same office or nomination on any question
25 exceeds a number of electors in such precinct or
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1 exceeds the total number of persons who voted in
2 such precinct or the total number of ballots cast
3 therein.
4 Such excess -- excess shall be deemed to --
5 should be deemed a discrepancy and palpable error,
6 and shall be investigated by the superintendent.
7 Based on violations noted in case
8 investigation SEB 2021-56, and on the statement by
9 the assistant registrar that poll officials were
10 not adequately trained and did not know how to
11 perform certain functions related to the elections
12 process, there is sufficient evidence to suggest
13 that Stephens County Board of Registration and
14 Elections Chief Registrar failed to comply with
15 the provisions of the law that requires the
16 election superintendent to ensure poll officers
17 and workers received adequate training in all
18 aspects of state and federal law applicable to
19 conducting elections.
20 As a result, it appears Stephens County Board
21 of Registration and Elections is in violation of
22 O.C.G.A. §21-2-99(a), instruction of poll officers
23 and workers in an election, procedures,
24 certifications, notification of completion of
25 training to Secretary of State.
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1 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So those are the
2 allegations in Case No. -- and they found --
3 recommended violations in Case No. 2020-033. Was
4 -- there was a second report of investigation,
5 Ms. Koth, is -- should we take these up
6 separately, do you think? Or ...
7 MS. KOTH: Yes. Yes.
8 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Okay. So, is -- is there
9 -- is there anybody here from Stephens County that
10 would like to comment on the violations that are
11 -- that are proposed?
12 (No Response.)
14 Is there any discussion among the Board as to
15 the proposed process that we'll undergo for the
16 allegations in 2020-33?
17 (No Response.)
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: We always start off this
19 way when I ask the question. There's this long
20 pause.
21 MR. LINDSEY: And, Mr. Chairman, absent any
22 additional evidence from Stephens County, I would
23 move to accept the recommendations.
25 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: The move to second it, that
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1 we accept recommendation which -- is that the
2 violations have been supported. But the -- the
3 recommendation, here, I -- I guess would be to
4 send it through the Attorney General's Office.
5 But, I'll tell you, it looks to me like the
6 last case that we had similar to this, but the
7 facts have been developed. There hasn't been any
8 response to them. And I would say that we refer
9 this to the Attorney General's Office with the
10 request that it be set up for a prompt hearing.
11 MR. LINDSEY: I would accept that amendment
12 to my motion.
13 DR. JOHNSTON: A what?
14 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: A prompt hearing.
15 So, I would -- I would amend it in that way,
16 that we have -- that the recommendation is to
17 refer to the Attorney General's Office for a
18 prompt hearing.
19 Is there any discussion on the motion?
20 Has it been seconded? Somebody said yes.
21 MR. MASHBURN: Yes. Mashburn, seconded.
22 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: There being no discussion,
23 all those in favor of the motion say, "Aye."
24 THE BOARD MEMEBERS: Aye.
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1 (No response.)
2 The motion carries.
3 Next. Next, Ms. Koth, explain to me how --
4 why we have the same number for two investigations
5 but are labeled differently.
6 So the one next to what I have is 2020-33,
7 procedures for early tabulation of absentee
8 ballots, also from Stephens County. Do we just
9 combine those?
10 MRS. GHAZAL: Do you have --
11 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: No, this was the last one I
12 did.
13 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah, the next one,
14 Mr. Chairman, should be Montgomery County.
15 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I'm -- I'm sorry. Excuse
16 me.
17 Montgomery County, 2020-34. Duty to secure
18 election records.
19 Could you brief us on that, Ms. Koth?
20 MS. KOTH: Yes, this one had four
21 allegations. The first one is, Greg Palmer
22 reported that two boxes of election records were
23 in an unsecured closet in the Montgomery
24 courthouse. Mr. Palmer alleged that someone could
25 have used the records to fraudulently submit
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1 absentee ballots.
2 The records were given to the Georgia State
3 Patrol for safekeeping until they could review --
4 be reviewed by a representative of the office of
5 the Georgia Secretary of State.
6 The second allegation: Greg Palmer reported
7 that Gary Brady called Robert Dixon multiple times
8 and harassed him regarding picking up his absentee
9 ballot.
10 Allegation three, Greg Palmer reported that
11 Alston precinct failed to open on time and both
12 Billy and Cathy Curl were not able to vote.
13 Allegation four, Greg Palmer reported that
14 Darwin Williamson, Tyler Williamson and Peggy
15 Williamson were moved to a different precinct
16 without being notified. Greg Palmer also reported
17 that Bobbie Carpenter notified the Williamsons
18 that their absentee ballots had not -- had been
19 lost, then later notified them that they had been
20 found and would be shredded.
21 The findings are: Allegation one, there is
22 evidence to suggest that Montgomery County
23 election staff failed to properly secure two boxes
24 of election records from 2013 and 2014. The
25 records were in an unsecured closet in the men's
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1 restroom on the second floor of the Montgomery
2 courthouse.
3 Both Probate Judge Ruby Sanders and Chief
4 Registrar Bobbie Carpenter stated that they did
5 not know the records were in the closet and have
6 never used the closet for storage. Both said all
7 the election records were stored on the third
8 floor.
9 There was no evidence to suggest that the
10 records were used to produce fraudulent absentee
11 ballots as originally reported by complainant Greg
12 Palmer. There was no evidence to support
13 violations of Georgia election law for allegations
14 two through four. All voters mentioned in these
15 allegations were not disenfranchised and were able
16 to vote.
17 The potential violations were for Montgomery
18 Board of Registrars Bobbie Carpenter, the Chief
19 Registrar, and Probate Judge Ruby Sanders,
20 Elections Superintendent.
21 There's evidence to suggest that Montgomery
22 Board of Registrars Bobbie Carpenter and
23 Judge Ruby Sanders violated O.C.G.A §21-2-500(a),
24 delivery of voting materials, presentation to
25 grand jury in certain cases in preservation and
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1 destruction, destruction of unused ballots, when
2 they failed to properly secure two boxes of
3 election documentation from 2013 and 2014 until it
4 could be destroyed.
5 The boxes were in an unsecured closet in the
6 men's restroom on the second floor of the
7 Montgomery Courthouse.
8 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So the allegations
9 regarding Montgomery County's securing of election
10 records has been summarized.
11 Is there anybody here from Montgomery County
12 that would like to respond? And that microphone,
13 if you'll speak in it at -- I don't know if you
14 have to turn it on or not. Whoever is going to
15 speak, is -- and is that on? Do you know?
16 (Simultaneous speakers.)
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Okay. Good. Thank you.
18 (Simultaneous speakers.)
19 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Introduce yourselves.
20 MS. SANDERS: Okay. I'm Ruby -- Ruby Nell
21 Sanders, I'm the elections superintendent of
22 Montgomery County, Georgia and probate judge. And
23 this is -- Bobbie, will you --
24 MS. CARPENTER: I'm Bobbie Carpenter, chief
25 registrar.
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1 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Could you repeat your last
2 name, I didn't get --
3 MS. CARPENTER: Carpenter.
4 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Carpenter?
5 MS. CARPENTER: Carpenter.
6 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you. All right.
7 Proceed.
8 MS. CARPENTER: Proceed?
10 MS. SANDERS: Ms. Bobbie is going to have to
11 help refresh this because it's actually it's
12 records that we had stored, or she had stored. We
13 were a little puzzled, it, you know, been since
14 2013, so we were little puzzled as to why they
15 were found in the men -- the -- the closet, it's
16 not in the men's room, but it -- they kind of make
17 it sound that.
18 It's a mechanical closet where tags and
19 things like that are kept, because she normally
20 started everything on the third floor. We've had
21 prisoners in, moving out a bunch of stuff for the
22 clerk's office and junk and all from third floor
23 back during that time. We don't know if that's
24 when they might have got moved to that room.
25 Okay.
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1 That room did always stay locked. The County
2 was having cameras installed, it's an electrical
3 room. The people installing the cameras had a key
4 to go and come. We had no idea what was -- well,
5 to start with, we really didn't notice things were
6 in there, they're old, you know, we just, I don't
7 know, you get busy and you, you know, just -- just
8 didn't realize they were in there.
9 And so as far as we know, that's what -- I
10 don't know exactly how they came about being in
11 that room, but we do know that it -- that room is
12 normally always locked, and it's just that as they
13 were installing the cameras, they are going to
14 come in after hours and everything, these people
15 were, just doing the installation, and apparently
16 had just left it open because they were constantly
17 going in there to get -- to use the mechanical
18 part of it.
19 Do you have anything else to say?
20 MS. CARPENTER: No.
21 MS. SANDERS: That's about it. Though we,
22 you know, I will say Ms. Bobbie is very
23 conscientious. Had she known there was anything
24 wrong she would have cleared it up. She's --
25 she's "Johnny on top" of everything.
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1 MS. CARPENTER: I try to be.
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any questions?
3 MRS. GHAZAL: Do you have a regular process
4 for destroying the -- the documentation after
5 two years?
6 MS. CARPENTER: I do.
7 MRS. GHAZAL: What -- what's -- what's the
8 regular procedure that you do with that? After
9 the statutory period the -- in which you may --
10 have to maintain those records is -- is -- what's
11 your normal procedure there?
12 MS. CARPENTER: I normally have them
13 destroyed.
14 MRS. GHAZAL: Okay.
15 MS. CARPENTER: And disposed on-site --
16 MS. SANDERS: Now, the one's that were
17 there --
18 MS. CARPENTER: At that time we didn't have a
19 shredder. We had -- we would -- whenever we could
20 get somebody to take them and dispose of them, but
21 it's just like Judge Sanders -- like Judge Sanders
22 says, we didn't know they were in there and we
23 didn't know until the -- they brought it to our
24 attention.
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1 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: My concern is this, that, I
2 mean, these are official records. There is a
3 process by which you are allowed to dispose of
4 them. You know you have an obligation to store
5 them properly.
6 And -- and the -- I think that requires you
7 to have a system, so that you know that all the
8 records that are supposed to be where they're
9 supposed to be are there. That somebody goes
10 through every two years to see what it is that you
11 can destroy, and that there's just accountability
12 for the records and a -- and awareness of what
13 records you have and which records are being
14 destroyed.
15 And in this case, I'm not sure, exactly, what
16 the system is that you have to make sure that
17 you're tracing and tracking all the records, and
18 secondly why it took so long to figure out that
19 they were gone. And the reason why there is a
20 rule is to protect the records that are created by
21 voters.
22 MS. SANDERS: She can speak to that (low
23 audio) normal (low audio) this is a unique -- a
24 unique situation. There were the only two boxes
25 that -- somehow they had gotten --
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2 MS. SANDERS: -- moved.
3 MS. CARPENTER: It is -- is a mystery. We
4 did not know they had not been destroyed. If you
5 look -- if you come to our courthouse, you check,
6 everything has been destroyed up to 2020. But
7 these two boxes were misplaced or forgotten or
8 something. They were stored under lock and key
9 until those workers went in and unlocked the door,
10 and we didn't know. And then this person just
11 came on-site, that had no business on -- in the
12 courthouse, but he found those boxes.
13 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So what's your system for
14 -- for maintaining and tracking records today?
15 MS. CARPENTER: Well, we have -- we destroy
16 them as the years, you know two years, five years.
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: You just keep them in boxes
18 on shelves?
19 MS. CARPENTER: No, we have them stored on
20 third floor, under lock and key.
21 MR. LINDSEY: Just so -- If I may, Mr.
22 Chairman, and just build on that. I think what --
23 what he's, perhaps, asking for and what I'm asking
24 for is for instance, do you have a log --
25 MS. CARPENTER: Oh, yes.
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1 MR. LINDSEY: That that -- that indicates,
2 you know, not only where it was stored, but the
3 date in which it can be destroyed, and -- and that
4 -- and confirming that it has been. Does your log
5 contain all that information on it?
6 MS. CARPENTER: Yes, sir.
7 MR. LINDSEY: And did your log contain a
8 reference that the 2013, 2014 records had, in
9 fact, been destroyed?
10 MS. CARPENTER: No.
11 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So if that record was -- if
12 there was no indication of that, did somebody say,
13 "Well, where are the 2012 and 2013 records?
14 They're missing." Or to go look for them, just
15 say "They haven't been destroyed when they were
16 supposed to be destroyed. Where are they? Let's
17 go look and see if they are still there." Because
18 it sounds like somebody else found them, not them.
19 MS. CARPENTER: Well...
20 MS. SANDERS: It was some other -- going on,
21 I can tell you that, but I'm not going to speak to
22 that.
24 MS. SANDERS: (Inaudible.)
25 MS. CARPENTER: Would you like to see a video
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1 of it?
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I -- I can't hear you.
3 MS. CARPENTER: Would you like to see a video
4 of it?
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: A video?
6 MS. CARPENTER: The way it got moved around.
7 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: A video of what?
8 MS. CARPENTER: Of the way the boxes got
9 moved out of the room.
10 MS. SANDERS: The boxes (inaudible) Sharon
11 asked that they (inaudible) intend to try
12 (inaudible) and felt like, you know, it's -- it's
13 something that happened, and we -- we do take full
14 responsibility, even though we really don't have
15 good explanation, because had no idea it was
16 unlocked.
18 MS. SANDERS: So it was just sort of
19 circumstances, I guess, that we should have kept
20 up with, but, you know, when you have elections
21 and you're doing everything else too, new
22 elections come since 2013 and '14, you know, it's
23 just hard to -- and it was just something that was
24 an oversight. I'm sorry. Didn't intend to. It
25 was not intentional.
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1 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Sure.
2 MS. CARPENTER: But we do have a shredder on
3 bay, on -- on the site now, so we -- this won't
4 happen again.
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any other questions?
6 (No Response.)
7 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All right. Thank you very
8 much.
9 Does anybody have a motion on this matter?
10 MR. LINDSEY: I'll move to -- to accept the
11 recommendations and to make a referral of a hope
12 of working out some type of specific remediation,
13 you know, in -- particularly in terms of records.
14 So, yes.
17 seconded to accept the recommendations, with the
18 instruction that -- that the parties -- the
19 Attorney General and representatives of the county
20 promptly discuss with each other whether or not
21 they can resolve this. So with -- with that
22 motion, is -- is there any further discussion?
23 (No Response.)
24 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: There being no further
25 discussion, all those in favor of the motion say,
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1 "Aye."
3 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All those opposed, "No."
4 (No Response.)
6 The next is matter No. 2020-039, Sumter
7 County polling place issues.
8 Ms. Koth?
9 MS. KOTH: This case has six allegations.
10 Allegation one, Kimberly Page reported that her
11 name was listed incorrectly on the ballot and it
12 should have been Kimberly Taylor Page. When she
13 spoke with the elections supervisor, Randy Howard,
14 he said it was too late because the ballots had
15 already been printed. Ms. Page later discovered
16 that another candidate was allowed to change her
17 name after Ms. Page's request was denied.
18 Allegation two, Kimberly Page reported that a
19 poll worker told voter Stephen Milledge (phonetic)
20 not to vote for Kimberly Page.
21 Allegation three, Kimberly Page reported that
22 she paid to have her political ad ran on local
23 radio station. Ms. Page's opponent, Stephanie
24 Bennett, completed a public service announcement
25 honoring veterans on the same radio station
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1 without purchasing a political ad.
2 Allegation four, Kimberly Page reported that
3 the election supervisor's sister, Aletha, was
4 hired as a poll manager for the Leslie voting
5 precinct. Ms. Page alleged that around 8:00 p.m.,
6 Aletha was overheard saying she already knew
7 Stephanie Bennett had won. Ms. Page also alleged
8 a board member also said Stephanie Bennett had
9 won. Ms. Page alleged this was done before all
10 the ballots were counted.
11 Allegation five, Kimberly Page alleged the
12 voting precinct located at Thompson, Southwest
13 Volunteer Fire Station did not open at 7:00 a.m.,
14 and as a result a voter was unable to vote.
15 Allegation six, Kimberly Page alleged a lot
16 of voters did not receive their absentee ballots
17 until the day of the election.
18 The findings. The investigator interviewed
19 all available witnesses, and there was no evidence
20 to support any violations of Georgia election law
21 for allegations one through five.
22 Allegation six, during the interview with
23 Ethel Hollis, she mentioned she lived in a rural
24 part of Americus, Georgia, but used her
25 mother-in-law's address on North Jackson Street to
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1 receive mail. Ms. Hollis's e-Net inquiry showed
2 she also used North Jackson Street as her
3 registered voting address, which, through her own
4 admission, is an address she no longer resided.
5 Ms. Hollis said she had a Post Office box in
6 Americus, Georgia. Ms. Hollis's current address
7 is on US Highway 280 in Americus, Georgia.
8 Ms. Hollis stated she was going to update her
9 registered voting address. However, at the time
10 of this report, the address still has not been
11 updated.
12 The potential violation, there's evidence to
13 suggest Ethel Hollis violated O.C.G.A. §21-2-218,
14 cancellation of registration in former state or
15 county address changing corrections when she
16 failed to notify the Board of Registrar that she
17 moved from Highway 280 West, Americus, Georgia,
18 one count.
19 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Is there anybody here
20 from -- is Ms. Hollis here? Or is there anybody
21 else here to speak on behalf of the County?
22 MRS. GHAZAL: I have a question. Do you
23 happen to know whether or not the address where
24 Ms. Hollis actually resided was also in Sumter
25 County, or was it outside the county limits?
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1 MS. KOTH: It -- it's an Americus address,
2 but it's just not entirely clear. Let me see.
3 MRS. GHAZAL: And the reason I ask is because
4 it seems to me that this is very similar to this
5 morning's case, which we voted on a letter because
6 there was not -- it was -- while it's a technical
7 violation, any votes would still be valid from the
8 former address.
9 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: That was the one with the
10 temporary address?
11 MRS. GHAZAL: Yes, yes. Exactly.
12 MS. KOTH: I don't have that in the report.
13 If it was the same, it just says both Americus.
14 It doesn't say.
15 MRS. GHAZAL: Okay.
16 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: What would you like to do
17 with this? We could continue it, and find out an
18 answer to that question, or we could -- it's
19 possible still to send a letter and say that
20 that's an obligation.
21 MRS. GHAZAL: I think I would move to send a
22 letter of instruction to the voter, with the --
23 with the instruction that -- that every voter has
24 an obligation to update their registered address
25 as -- as their -- their current residence, but not
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1 to refer this to the Attorney General's Office
2 because it -- assuming that this address is still
3 in the same county.
4 MR. MASHBURN: Seconded.
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Any discussion? It's been
6 moved to send -- and seconded that we send a
7 letter of instruction, instructing as to the
8 obligations to change registrations by providing
9 new addresses, and that we do that with a letter
10 and not a violation.
11 Is there any discussion on the motion?
12 (No Response.)
13 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: There being none, all is in
14 favor of the motion say, "Aye."
16 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Opposed, "no."
17 (No Response.)
19 The next is Case No. 2020-048.
20 And Ms. Koth, if you would please brief us on
21 that.
22 MS. KOTH: Election Supervisor Carol Heard
23 reported that four Decatur County voters
24 potentially voted twice in the June 9th, 2020,
25 general primary. The voters were identified as
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1 Pamela Rouse, Larry Clemens, Shirley Story, and
2 Lloyd Story, Junior. There's evidence to suggest
3 Decatur County voters Pamela Rouse, Larry Clemens,
4 Shirley Story and Lloyd Story all voted twice
5 during the June 9th, 2020, primary election.
6 Pamela Rouse voted advance, in person on
7 October 19th, 2020, and in person on election day.
8 Larry Clemens, Shirley Story and Lloyd Story all
9 submitted an absentee ballot in addition to voting
10 in person on election day.
11 Charles Murphy was identified as the poll
12 manager for the Fairgrounds Exhibit Hall polling
13 location, which was where voter Larry Clemens was
14 allowed to vote in person on June 9th, 2020, after
15 having already submitting an absentee ballot.
16 Mr. Murphy was aware of the proper procedure
17 on how to call in and verify with the elections
18 office if a voter was shown to have already voted.
19 Margaret Bryant was identified as a poll
20 manager for the Memorial Coliseum polling
21 location, which was where voter Pamela Rouse was
22 allowed to vote in person on June 9th, 2020, after
23 already voting in person during the advance voting
24 period. This was also the polling location where
25 voters Shirley Story and Lloyd Story were allowed
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1 to vote in person on June 9th, 2020, after having
2 already submitting an absentee ballot.
3 Ms. Bryant was aware of the proper procedure
4 on how to call in and verify with the elections
5 office if a voter was shown to have already voted.
6 However, she claimed she was instructed not to do
7 so by her supervisor, Carol Heard. Elections
8 Supervisor Carol Heard did not recall ever telling
9 polling staff, specifically, not call the office.
10 Ms. Heard said the weekend before the
11 election, she and her staff went through the
12 electors list and marked who had already voted,
13 and a list were provided to each of the polling
14 locations. Ms. Heard instructed the polling staff
15 to check the electors list first because they may
16 experience trouble getting through to the office
17 due to high call volume. Ms. Heard said the
18 polling staff could have called in if they had a
19 question.
20 The potential violations for Pamela Rouse,
21 Larry Clemens, Shirley Story, and Lloyd Story.
22 There is evidence to suggest that Pamela, Larry,
23 and Shirley and Lloyd violated O.C.G.A. §21-2-572,
24 repeat voting in same primary or election, when
25 they voted more than one time during the
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1 June 9th, 2020, General Primary Election.
2 Voter Pamela Rouse voted advance in person on
3 May 19th, 2020, in addition to voting in person on
4 election day. Voters Larry Clemens, Shirley Story
5 and Lloyd Story submitted absentee ballots, in
6 addition to voting in person on election day.
7 There's evidence to suggest Decatur County
8 Board of Elections and Registration, Carol Heard,
9 Charles Murphy, and Margaret Bryant violated
10 O.C.G.A. §21-2-388(2), cancellation of absentee
11 ballots of electors who are present in election
12 precinct during primaries in elections when they
13 failed to properly verify whether Larry Clemens,
14 Shirley Story or Lloyd Story's absentee ballot had
15 been received before allowing them to vote in
16 person on election day.
17 This resulted in all three voters voting
18 twice during the June 9th, 2020, General Primary
19 Election.
20 There is evidence to suggest that Decatur
21 Board of Elections and Registration Carol Heard
22 and Margaret Bryant violated O.C.G.A. §21-2-590,
23 poll officer permitting unqualified persons to
24 vote, when Pamela Rouse was allowed to vote on
25 election day when she had already cast her ballot
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1 during early advanced voting.
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Those are the potential
3 violations against Pamela Rose -- Ross, Larry
4 Clemens, Shirley Story, and Lloyd Story. And the
5 recommended violations is against the Decatur
6 County Board of Elections and Registration, the
7 Election Supervisor Carol Heard, and Poll Managers
8 Charles Murphy and Margaret Bryant, as well as the
9 final recommendation of a violation against the --
10 the Decatur Board of Directors and Registration,
11 Carol Heard and Margaret Bryant.
12 Are Ms. Rouse, Mr. Clemens, Ms. Story or
13 Mr. Story here today? And would they like to
14 respond?
15 (No Response.)
17 Anybody here from the Decatur County Board of
18 Elections and Registration, or Ms. Heard,
19 Mr. Murphy or Ms. Bryant?
20 (No Response.)
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All right. Apparently not.
22 Is there a motion with respect to this
23 recommendation?
24 MR. LINDSEY: So moved, Mr. Chairman.
25 Let me also, if I may -- well, do the motion
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1 first, and then I'll...
4 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Okay. It's been moved and
5 seconded.
6 MR. LINDSEY: You we -- it's understandable,
7 someone is building a house, moves temporarily,
8 and votes at their old location. It's wrong and
9 it's -- and it warrants letting that voter know,
10 you can't do that. I'm at a loss to figure out
11 when any voter thinks he can vote twice.
12 And so, for that reason, I do very strongly
13 believe it needs to get to the Attorney General's
14 Office. And for that matter, I can't figure out
15 how an elections board could allow this sort of
16 thing happen, either. We have safeguards in place
17 to keep this sort of thing from happening.
18 So on both -- on both, when it comes to both
19 the Board and the voters, I look forward to
20 hearing what the Attorney General comes up with.
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Well, I would say this, I
22 can't imagine any four voters vote twice.
23 MR. LINDSEY: That's right. Four times.
24 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And one of the things that
25 troubles me most is that it's not one election
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1 supervisor, one poll manager who -- who says that
2 they didn't call, but it's two, and they say they
3 were told not to call. And that person said I
4 never told them not to call. That's -- that, to
5 me, doesn't make sense, and I'm not sure that
6 somebody is not telling the truth, but -- and --
7 and I would say that rather than -- I think we
8 ought to put this on an -- on for an immediate
9 hearing, straightforward, we need to get to the
10 bottom of this and make sure that voters and
11 election officials know that this won't be
12 tolerated.
13 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah.
14 MRS. GHAZAL: I -- I agree, in particular
15 with respect to the voter who voted in person
16 twice.
18 MRS. GHAZAL: I cannot imagine the
19 circumstances that would confuse.
20 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Yeah, I agree.
21 MRS. GHAZAL: I will say that the primary
22 process in 2020 was extremely confusing because it
23 initially was two different primaries, the
24 presidential preference primary was separate from
25 the general primary, and then it was consolidated
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1 and put off. So, I can see where somebody may be
2 confused that they received an absentee ballot,
3 and thought it was a separate process. So I think
4 the -- the fact-finding in this, in a hearing,
5 will be very instructive for those voters who
6 voted both in absentee ballot and in person, but
7 voting twice in person within three weeks is
8 unquestionably, I -- I don't see how that could
9 happen without it being deliberate.
10 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I'd say there are strong
11 feelings about this case.
12 MRS. GHAZAL: Yes. Yes.
13 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All right. Any further
14 discussion on the motion to refer this to the
15 Attorney General for an immediate hearing?
16 (No Response.)
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: If not, all those in favor
18 of the motion say, "Aye."
21 (No Response.)
23 The next is Case No. 2020-61, McIntosh
24 County, poll problems, and would you please report
25 on that for us, Mrs. Koth.
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1 MS. KOTH: This one has two allegations.
2 Allegation one, Barbara Price reported she
3 did not receive her absentee ballot in the mail,
4 and when she tried to vote in person, was denied
5 her right to vote. Ms. Price reported she was
6 denied because she had requested an absentee
7 ballot.
8 Allegation two, Barbara Price reported voter
9 Gracie Townsend went to an incorrect polling
10 precinct and wasn't allowed to turn in a completed
11 absentee ballot or vote provisionally.
12 There is evidence to suggest that Delores
13 Walker denied voter Barbara Price her right to
14 vote, and during the June 9th, 2020, General
15 Primary Election, Ms. Price requested an absentee
16 ballot on May 29, 2020, but claimed she did not
17 receive it and went to vote in person on election
18 day.
19 In the original complaint, Ms. Price said she
20 was denied her right to vote because she had
21 requested an absentee ballot. Ms. Price's e-Net
22 inquiry showed where she requested an absentee
23 ballot, but has never returned to McIntosh County
24 Elections Office.
25 In a conversation with McIntosh County
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1 Election Supervisor Elenore Gale, Ms. Walker
2 claims she was unaware of what to do in the
3 situation involving Ms. Price. Ms. Walker
4 attended multiple poll worker training sessions
5 leading up to the June 9th, 2020, General Primary
6 Election.
7 Ms. Gale reviewed Ms. Walker's notes from the
8 election and discovered she had called the office
9 for a similar issue and the voter was ultimately
10 allowed to vote in person. There is no record in
11 e-Net of Barbara Price voting during the
12 June 9th, 2020, general election.
13 Allegation two, the investigator interviewed
14 all available witnesses, and there was no evidence
15 to support violation of Georgia election law.
16 The potential violations, McIntosh County
17 Board of Elections and Registration and Elenore
18 Gale, election supervisor, there's evidence to
19 suggest that McIntosh County Board of Elections
20 and Registration and Elenore Gale violated gave
21 O.C.G.A. §21-2-3(d)(2), cancellation of absentee
22 ballots of electors who are present in election
23 precinct during primaries in elections, when poll
24 manager Dolores Walker failed to properly cancel
25 voter Barbara Price's absentee ballot and allow
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1 her to vote in person during the June 9th, 2020,
2 General Primary Election.
3 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: That's the -- excuse me.
4 Recommendation for those findings by Ms. Koth.
5 Is there anybody here to speak on behalf of
6 the Respondents?
7 We know, of course, Ms. Walker's not
8 available because she is deceased, but is Ms. Gale
9 or anybody else here on behalf of the McIntosh
10 County Board of Elections?
11 (No Response.)
13 Is there any motion on this matter?
14 MR. MASHBURN: I'll move, once again, to
15 accept the recommendations, and to refer to the
16 Attorney General.
18 MRS. GHAZAL: Second.
20 motion?
21 (No Response.)
22 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: There being none, all those
23 in favor of the motion, say, "Aye."
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1 (No Response.)
2 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: The motion carries.
3 The next is Case No. 2020-64, involving --
4 I'm sorry, that's been continued.
5 The last case is Case No. 2021-88, City of
6 Arlington, and would you brief us on that, please.
7 MS. KOTH: The complainant reports Randolph
8 County Election Supervisor Todd Black was
9 contracted by the City of Arlington to conduct
10 their March 16th, 2021, municipal special
11 election.
12 Complainant states last week, in one day,
13 Todd Black received 180 absentee ballot
14 applications, all prefilled out, and then signed
15 by the voter. The signatures were verified and
16 ballots were sent out.
17 The complainant reports petitioners went to
18 court two days ago, and argued that a judge should
19 throw out the applications because the
20 prefilled-out applications were not signed by the
21 assister, presumably the person filling of the top
22 of the application through the -- though the law
23 doesn't require this unless the applicant is
24 illiterate or disabled.
25 The complainant states the judge refused to
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1 do that, but told the County registrars in Calhoun
2 and Early to hold hearings on the applications.
3 The complainant advises there is, so far, no
4 written order that Calhoun County has seen.
5 The complainant reports Calhoun County sent
6 letters to voters, telling them their absentee
7 ballot applications were now rejected and their
8 voted ballots were now provisional, and had to be
9 dealt with at the hearing now scheduled for this
10 Friday morning and the voters have to vote in
11 person.
12 The complainant states Election Supervisor
13 Todd Black has -- voted absentee ballots which
14 have been signature verified, and he says they
15 have -- they are not provisional, and that they
16 will be counted, and will not let a voter who has
17 voted absentee vote again, so those voters are
18 being told two starkly different things.
19 Complainant advises that Calhoun and Early
20 boards, though, don't, in my opinion, have
21 authority to reject absentee ballots in an
22 election they aren't conducting. They are merely
23 verifying the signatures for Todd Black.
24 The investigation revealed that during the
25 March 16th, 2021, special municipal election in
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1 the City of Arlington, that Randolph County
2 Election Supervisor Todd Black was contracted to
3 supervise the election.
4 One day, when Election Supervisor Black
5 checked the P.O. box for the City of Arlington he
6 found a large amount of applications. It was
7 reported there were 180 applications. Most of the
8 applications had the voters' name, address, and
9 date of birth typed on the top portion of the
10 application.
11 Elections Supervisor Todd Black forwarded the
12 applications to Calhoun and Early County, so they
13 could determine if the voters were eligible to
14 receive an absentee ballot.
15 Both Early and Calhoun Counties compared the
16 identifying information on the applications with
17 the information on file in the registrar's office.
18 The majority of the voters were found eligible to
19 receive an absentee ballot and they were mailed a
20 ballot.
21 On March 3rd, 2021, Betty Murdoch, Carolyn
22 Oliver, and Sam Robinson filed a petition in
23 Superior Court of Calhoun County to contest
24 election.
25 The petitioners requested the following:
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1 Petitioners request for a hearing and in camera
2 inspection of applications for official absentee
3 ballot. The argument states that the City of
4 Arlington has less than 1000 registered voters,
5 and within less than three days of early voting,
6 the Randolph County Board of Registrars received
7 nearly 200 applications requesting absentee
8 ballots.
9 The argument states, it is the petitioners'
10 understanding that many of the applications
11 requesting an official absentee ballot are typed
12 on a computer. The petitioners requested an
13 expedited hearing on Monday March 8th, 2021, at
14 10:00 a.m. Petitioners filed an emergency motion
15 challenging the 2021 municipal voter registration
16 list.
17 The petitioners state over 50 electors
18 identified on the list, but whom no longer
19 believed to be residents of Arlington, Georgia.
20 The deficiencies and inaccuracies also include six
21 electors who are known to be deceased. The
22 petitioners requested an expedited hearing on
23 Monday March 8th, 2021, at 10:00 a.m.
24 On March 3rd, 2021, Calhoun County Senior
25 Judge Joe Bishop signed an order scheduling a
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1 hearing on petitioners' emergency motion
2 challenging the 2021 municipal voter registration
3 list. The hearing was scheduled for
4 March 8th, 2021.
5 On March 9th, 2021, the Chief Registrar Sarah
6 Causey and Deputy Chief Registrar called a meeting
7 with the Board of Registrars so they could discuss
8 with Judge Bishop had said -- what he had said
9 during the hearing on March 8th. Ms. Deal
10 provided a copy of the Board of Registrar's
11 meeting minutes and the following were discussed
12 in new business.
13 The Board discussed the judge's ruling on
14 Superior Court Case 19 V 103 on Monday considering
15 the Arlington Municipal Election. They discussed
16 the -- the included time constraints due to the
17 election being one week from that day, and
18 O.C.G.A. §12-2-381, the Board unanimously agreed
19 to send the attached letter to those electors
20 whose applications met the criteria of concern by
21 the judge.
22 On March 9th, 2021, Deputy Registrar Brooke
23 Deal had the following letter served by the
24 sheriff's department to 24 electors that had
25 requested an absentee ballot during the
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1 March 16th, 2021, special municipal election:
2 Dear Elector, pursuant to Superior Court Case
3 19 V 103, on March 8th, 2021, in accordance with
4 O.C.G.A. §21-2-381, you are hereby informed that
5 your application for an absentee ballot for the
6 Arlington Municipal Election on March 16th, 2021,
7 has been rejected.
8 You may still vote during advance voting or
9 on election day. If you've already received a
10 ballot, please bring that with you when you arrive
11 to vote in person. Only your in-person ballot
12 will be counted.
13 Alternatively, you may complete a new
14 absentee ballot application and mail it to
15 Randolph County Elections, P.O. Box 23, Arlington,
16 Georgia 39813. If you've already returned a
17 completed ballot for Arlington municipality
18 election on March 16th, 2021, that ballot has been
19 declared provisional.
20 If you wish to appeal the status of your
21 ballot before the Calhoun County Board of
22 Registrars, please call the voter registration
23 office in Morgan at phone number (229)849-2972.
24 Calls for appointments will be received between
25 the hours of 8:00 a.m. to 12:00 noon, and
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1 1:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. on March 9th, 10th, and
2 11th.
3 Hearings will be held on March 12th in
4 Arlington, Georgia in the conference room of the
5 Conner Insurance building, located on Highland
6 Avenue South. Please, bring valid photo
7 identification when you arrive for your hearing.
8 Respectfully, Brooke Deal, Deputy Registrar.
9 And then has a list of the 24 voters that
10 were sent that letter.
11 Brooke Deal reported that 24 electors were
12 chosen because their names were listed on the
13 court documents. On March 10th, 2021, Brooke Deal
14 reported Elections Director Chris Harvey called
15 her and asked, what is going on in Arlington? I
16 keep getting calls about a letter you sent out
17 regarding the city election.
18 Ms. Deal stated she informed Mr. Harvey of
19 the judge's recommendation and instructions, which
20 prompted the Board of Registrars to send a letter
21 out to voters and ensure a fair and pressure-free
22 election. She advised she then read the letter to
23 Mr. Harvey, and she informed him the Board had
24 secured a building in Arlington to make it easier
25 for people come in and verify their application
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1 for an absentee ballot, without pressure from
2 anyone working for any of the candidates.
3 Ms. Deal stated Mr. Harvey had told her they
4 could not do that, and the judge did not have the
5 authority to order that. She advised Mr. Harvey
6 asked her if she had that in writing, and she
7 informed him, no. Ms. Deal stated she advised
8 Mr. Harvey that she was in court, and she heard
9 the judge's instructions and the election is next
10 Tuesday.
11 She said she advised Mr. Harvey that they did
12 not have time to wait for the written order.
13 Ms. Deal stated Mr. Harvey instructed her to stop
14 the process immediately and send out a letter by
15 the sheriff's office to let the voters know there
16 will no longer be a hearing. She advised
17 Mr. Harvey informed her of Elections Supervisor
18 Todd Black said that he was counting all of the
19 votes, and she said, okay.
20 On March 10th, Deputy Registrar Brooke Deal
21 sent a second letter to the electors, and advising
22 that they would no longer have the hearing.
23 Investigator reviewed the order that was
24 filed in Calhoun County Superior Court on
25 March 12th, 2021, and the order states the
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1 following:
2 A hearing -- a hearing having been held on
3 petitioners' motion, challenging the 2021
4 municipal election voter registration list was
5 pursuant to O.C.G.A. §21-2-230, and petitioners'
6 request for hearing and inspection of applications
7 for official absentee ballots. And upon
8 consideration of the arguments presented by
9 counsel for all parties, it is hereby ordered,
10 adjuded and decreed as follows:
11 The Calhoun County Board of Registrars shall
12 convene in a timely fashion, and is required,
13 pursuant to Georgia law, to review any challenges
14 posed by the petitioners as it relates to the 2021
15 municipal voter registration list for the City of
16 Arlington, Georgia.
17 The Early County Board of Registrar shall
18 convene in a timely fashion, and is required,
19 pursuant to Georgia law, to review any challenges
20 posed by Petitioners as it relates to the 2021
21 municipal voter registration list for the City of
22 Arlington, Georgia.
23 In the court order, the judge did not address
24 anything in reference to the application for a
25 voter to receive an absentee ballot that were
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1 typed on the top portion. The investigator met
2 with Chief Registrar Sarah Causey,
3 Deputy Registrar Brooke Deal and Calhoun County
4 Attorney Ben Harrell.
5 Ms. Causey said they sent the letter out on
6 March 9th, 2021, based on what the judge said on
7 March 8th, 2021. She advised the election was on
8 Tuesday, and it was a very small window to do it.
9 The Attorney Harrell stated at the conclusion of
10 the hearing that the judge gave an oral order to
11 the parties.
12 Attorney Harrell advised that there was that
13 pressure from the judge saying that in court, that
14 they had an election coming up next week. He
15 advised if they received a court order the next
16 day it would have been really helpful.
17 Attorney Harrell stated that they felt that
18 the court hearing that if the Board did not act
19 immediately there would have been a violation of
20 what the court was saying to do. He advised he
21 would have advised the Board, if they did not do
22 what the judge said they would have been in
23 contempt of court. Attorney Harrell stated that
24 their mindset -- this was their mindset. And
25 there was definitely the sense that the judge said
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1 to do this.
2 During the investigation, it was learned that
3 Shirley Jackson provided assistance to Willie
4 Barnes to request an absentee ballot. Mr. Barnes
5 needed assistance because he was unable to read
6 the English language. Shirley Jackson failed to
7 sign application that she provided assistance to
8 Mr. Barnes.
9 For potential violations, Shirley Jackson,
10 elector, there is evidence to suggest that Shirley
11 Jackson violated O.C.G.A. §21-2-381(a)(1)(a)(f),
12 making of application for absentee ballot, and
13 that Shirley Jackson assisted Willie Barnes to
14 fill out an application to request an absentee
15 ballot because he was illiterate. Shirley Jackson
16 failed to sign the application that she provided
17 assistance to Willie Barnes.
18 There is evidence to suggest that Calhoun
19 County Board of Registers Sarah Causey and Brooke
20 Deal violated O.C.G.A. §21-2-597, intentional
21 interference with performance of election duties,
22 in that Randolph County Election Supervisor Todd
23 Black was contracted to supervise the
24 March 16th, 2021, special election in the City of
25 Arlington.
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1 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Yeah.
2 MS. KOTH: That was it.
3 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you. I wasn't quite
4 sure, and I didn't want to interrupt you.
5 MS. KOTH: It was a lot.
6 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All right. Those are the
7 allegations of the potential violations in this
8 matter, which is 2021-088. Is there anybody here
9 just to respond, either Ms. Jackson, somebody from
10 Calhoun County Board of Registrars, Chief
11 Registrar Sarah Causey or Deputy Chief Registrar
12 Brooke Deal? Are any of those people here?
13 (No Response.)
14 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: So there's no response.
15 Is there any motion on this matter?
16 MR. LINDSEY: So move to accept the
17 recommendations of the investigator.
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And to refer to --
19 MR. LINDSEY: And to refer to the Attorney
20 General's Office.
23 seconded to accept the recommendation of the
24 investigator and refer this to the Attorney
25 General's Office.
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1 In this, I think we just refer to Attorney
2 General's Office because it's not entirely clear
3 as far as what would be a proper resolution.
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And I think we need their
6 advice. Does everybody agree with that? All
7 right.
8 It's been moved and seconded that we refer
9 matter 2021-88 to the Attorney General's Office.
10 Is -- are there any discussion -- is there any
11 discussion on the motion?
12 (No Response.)
13 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Not being any, all those in
14 favor of the motion, say, "Aye."
17 (No Response.)
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: The motion carries.
19 And that completes the violations list.
20 I do want to make say -- make one
21 clarification on our vote on the letter cases.
22 When we voted at the very end and those we could
23 not deal with individually, there was a case which
24 is 2022-28 Richmond County involving voter
25 registration. Before the hearing, the parties in
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1 that matter came to me and said that they hadn't
2 received notice of this hearing, although they
3 were here, but they were here mainly to ask if the
4 case could be continued. And I agreed to continue
5 it and failed to note that when we did the motion,
6 but the motion would cover all of the cases that
7 were not booted out individually except for
8 2022-28, which was previously continued upon my
9 decision. So we will see them at the next
10 meeting.
11 The next order of business on the agenda is
12 the report to the Attorney General, who will
13 report, as you know if you been here, we do you
14 have a smaller crowd than we did before. You
15 were, I think, all here. You know that there are
16 some matters that we refer to the Attorney
17 General's Office. These are matters that were
18 previously referred previous meetings to the
19 Attorney General and now they're being reported
20 back to us after they have considered them.
21 So Charlene McGowan is our lawyer, and she's
22 at the podium and ready to start, I assume.
23 ATTORNEY GENERAL'S REPORT
24 MS. MCGOWAN: Thank you. Good afternoon,
25 Mr. Chairman and members of the board. For the
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1 Attorney General's report today we are presenting
2 a number of consent orders which are resolutions
3 that were negotiated with the named respondents in
4 each case. Some of these are consolidated cases,
5 specifically the consent orders with Hancock
6 County, Peach County, and the City of Forest Park,
7 those all resolve a number of cases that are
8 listed in the agenda.
9 We also have two final orders which are cease
10 and desist and reprimand orders for the two cases
11 listed on the agenda, those involved individual
12 respondents.
13 I'm happy to entertain any questions that
14 board members have regarding any specific cases,
15 but otherwise, on behalf of the Attorney General's
16 Office, I recommend that the board approve these
17 orders.
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: And these have all been
19 provided to us as board members before the
20 meeting, so we've had a chance to review each of
21 them. I don't know if -- I don't want to put you
22 on the spot, but could you just generally describe
23 what these matters are and what the recommendation
24 is that you've made to us, the orders as they're
25 presented, or is that too complicated?
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1 MS. MCGOWAN: Do you want me to go through
2 each case individually?
3 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Yes, if it wouldn't take
4 too long to do each case. Well, I don't know.
5 That would take a long time, wouldn't it?
6 MS. MCGOWAN: It's up to you, Mr. Chairman.
7 I'm happy to go through each, if you'd like.
8 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: You all are very
9 differential to me. Sometimes you ought to say,
10 "That's not really a good idea."
11 Since we all have read this, there is a
12 motion to approve the orders as they have been
13 submitted to us by the Attorney General's Office.
14 Is there a second to that motion?
17 motion? There being no discussion, all those in
18 favor of the motion please indicate by saying
19 "Aye."
21 All those opposed, "No."
22 (No response.)
23 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: The motion is carried and
24 granted.
25 That is the last of the orders and the
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1 matters on the agenda, but there are still some
2 other things we need to do. And specifically
3 those of you that have signed up for public
4 comments, we would like very much to hear from you
5 now. I'm going to call you up in the order that
6 you signed up, and I would just ask for you to be
7 succinct as possible and keep it somewhere between
8 two and three minutes.
9 So the first person would be Frank Schneider.
10 MR. SCHNEIDER: Yes, thank you. Where would
11 you like me to stand?
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Why don't you speak from
13 mic number 5. Well, maybe it would be better, I
14 think, for the videographer for you to go up to
15 the podium. Okay.
16 MR. LINDSEY: Mr. Chairman, you have several
17 members of this audience who are very well-versed
18 in how these hearings are conducted. It would be
19 good to always attend.
20 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Having never attended one,
21 I'm learning a lot.
22 MR. SCHNEIDER: I've seen that to be the
23 case, yes. My name is Frank Schneider. Thank you
24 for the work you do and the value that you make
25 for this state right here. It's important work
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1 that you do.
2 A couple of things on my mind today. First
3 off, we talked about keeping voter rolls clean,
4 and I think you're aware of how critical this is
5 in a fair election. And I'm glad that Mr. Evans
6 earlier brought up ERIC the information system
7 that's used keep data updated and synchronized
8 across different states when people move. That's
9 one of the things certainly that it does. I got
10 the impression that a number of you perhaps may be
11 getting a briefing from Mr. Evans at some point
12 about the ERIC system, and there's a couple of
13 things in particular that I'd like you to pay
14 attention to: One is the founding of this company
15 and who the founders are and the background of
16 those founders; who's funding this organization
17 and funded it from its beginning; who its
18 leadership is today and their backgrounds. And
19 two other things that I'd request as well, I
20 looked for it and I didn't see it, but I'd be
21 interested in seeing the contract that the State
22 of Georgia has with ERIC. I think that that seems
23 appropriate that it be publicly displayed where we
24 can all read it and review it. And then I think I
25 had one final matter too. Yes.
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1 I'd like to see a process implemented by
2 which -- if the voter rolls are updated on a
3 monthly basis using the ERIC process, it seems
4 reasonable that we would want to see not the
5 specific individuals, but the number of people
6 that are taken off the voter rolls and the number
7 of people that are added to the voter rolls so we
8 can kind of get an idea if voter registration is
9 increasing - net voter registration - if it's
10 staying the same, if it's decreasing. Does that
11 make sense with population growth, that sort of
12 thing. Okay?
13 Second point I'd like to make has to do with
14 what we talked about earlier with the possible
15 fraudulent entry of ballots into ballot boxes
16 around the state. I know we talked about one
17 specific example. And what I'd like to suggest --
18 perhaps a question first. Are you all familiar
19 with the movie "2000 Mules"? And have you seen
20 the movie? Okay, I see a few smiles coming up --
21 I see a lot of smiles coming up. I would suggest
22 that the information contained in this movie and
23 the petabytes of the cell phone ping data should
24 provide some insight as to people that were around
25 the drop boxes in our state during that critical
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1 time period three weeks before our election and up
2 through election day. I won't talk about the
3 runoff at this point right now, but I think you
4 would find that movie very insightful. Okay.
5 Thank you.
6 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you very much. I
7 appreciate it, Mr. Schneider.
8 Mr. Quinn.
9 MR. QUINN: Good afternoon. William Quinn.
10 I am a resident of Forsyth County. So, I was
11 thinking about how to -- sort of put a theme
12 around my points today. I think it's going to be
13 one of risk.
14 I want to make note of something, and I will
15 thank Mr. Mashburn for a comment earlier today.
16 "Those who govern must" -- if I got this right --
17 "must be willing to stand before the people and
18 answer for their judgments."
19 Sounds right to me. So, much of what we talk
20 about in these meetings has to do with our law and
21 our goals for elections. Georgia law prescribes
22 that elections be secure and accurate. And in
23 previous meetings, you all have taken great care
24 to explain the steps you've taken to make sure
25 that they are, in fact, safe, accurate, so forth.
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1 Your own State Election Board duties list that you
2 are to promulgate rules and regulations so as to
3 obtain legally -- legality and purity in all
4 primaries and elections.
5 So, on June 3rd of this year, two and a half
6 months ago, the Cyber and Infrastructure Security
7 Agency of the United States government released a
8 report detailing nine separate vulnerabilities
9 contained in the Dominion Voting Systems, and
10 these are the same systems we use all across this
11 state. These vulnerabilities open the systems to
12 be exploited, and may be able to insert malicious
13 code. So, in other words, taking control in some
14 ways of the systems and manipulating data that may
15 be contained in these systems. How would that
16 appear if this were to occur? Perhaps as
17 anomalies in the reporting, perhaps in anomalies
18 in the way the votes appear after the fact.
19 I think you're aware many people across the
20 state have brought forward anomalies. In our last
21 meeting, I offered to deliver to the board reports
22 from the cast vote records from a number of
23 counties that show unusual patterns in votes,
24 differences in the way the votes counted up based
25 on the method that they were used to be cast.
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1 That seems odd. So we are -- on one hand, you're
2 told to secure the elections, make sure they're
3 accurate, and yet these machines continue to be
4 used all across the state. And yet we have this
5 government report that says, "Oh, my gosh, they
6 can be manipulated."
7 Now, add to that something that Frank brought
8 up just a moment ago. Seven days ago, the same
9 company that did the investigation surrounding
10 "2000 Mules" held a meeting with over a hundred
11 people to disclose a number of pieces of
12 information, including some things that had come
13 up in part during their investigation. Within
14 that, they discovered a Michigan company whose
15 selection software and apps had been sold and were
16 in use across quite a number of counties and
17 states in the United States. That software is
18 said to be communicating information on
19 1.8 million pole workers. Their names, their
20 children's names, finances, location, even poll
21 location schematics, so the places that polls are
22 located and how they're put together. The most
23 concerning thing is they found this information
24 residing on the UNICOM Internet Backbone on a
25 server in China. More information has been
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1 surfacing since this first came to light about
2 eight days ago and has been on national broadcasts
3 as late as last night.
4 If you think the people in Georgia aren't
5 paying attention to this, mistaken. Thousands
6 upon thousands of people are watching this very
7 closely. It's the reason that we have about three
8 times as many people in the room as we've had in
9 the past I think.
10 Even the machine contracts itself here in
11 Georgia runs afoul of Georgia law. It prescribes
12 the use of nonhuman readable proprietary bar
13 codes, but more importantly allows a device that
14 is using software subroutines in computing, which
15 is prohibited for election device under O.C.G.A.
16 §212-2-7.1.
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Mr. Quinn, how much longer
18 do you have? I've been pretty generous --
19 MR. QUINN: Just about -- just about 30
20 seconds.
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Great. Thank you.
22 MR. QUINN: But I can go as long as you would
23 like.
24 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: You know, I suspect that
25 that's the case.
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1 MR. QUINN: So here's my question. This
2 sounds like a lot of risk to me and it does to
3 many of the people in Georgia. The question now
4 falls to you all. What are you prepared to do to
5 mitigate this risk? The solutions are not easy,
6 but there are ways to mitigate this. One, I know
7 you're not gonna like it, would be to go to paper
8 ballots and make a change so that we could be
9 assured of valid and accurate elections.
10 I have copies of the documents supporting
11 everything I've said. I'm available at the
12 Board's discretion at any time for questions.
14 Mr. Balbona.
15 MR. BALBONA: I'll keep it short. I wrote it
16 out for two minutes, so there we go. Oh, that's
17 not two minutes.
18 So, I'm George Balbona, I'm from Cobb. I'd
19 like to congratulate Sara Koth, recently Sara was
20 promoted to SOS Chief Investigator. I hope she
21 can now expedite my complaint regarding the Cobb
22 County Elections Department unlawfully receiving
23 boxes of ballots under seal. I submitted this
24 complaint over 16 1/2 months ago and it still has
25 been not properly investigated or assigned a case
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1 number. I want to know why DeKalb County's
2 Elections Director -- former Election Director
3 Erica Hamilton was placed on extended leave of
4 absence prior to her resignation. DeKalb VRE
5 didn't even respond to my first records request in
6 brazen violation of O.C.G.A.
7 Sara, I submitted a complaint regarding this
8 and it has not been properly investigated or
9 assigned a case number.
10 When I finally received a response of record
11 from DeKalb, some emails were completely redacted;
12 no names, no dates, no words, nothing. This is
13 untenable. Even the heavily redacted Mueller
14 report informed you of who was being redacted.
15 I believe Erica Hamilton was forced to resign
16 partially because she submitted a midyear budget
17 that was $4.48 million more than the approved
18 budget. Perhaps Erica unlawfully allowed bad
19 actors to access voting machines like Coffee
20 County and she needed millions to purchase new
21 voting machines. Who knows.
22 Erica definitely violated county purchasing
23 policy by improperly continuing to employ a PR
24 company after their grant had ended. In order to
25 cover this up, Erica lied to the Board of
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1 Commissioners regarding last-minute BOC substitute
2 item 2021-3005. Erica made it seem that these
3 funds were solely to pay for the marketing of
4 upcoming elections when, in fact, $375,000 were to
5 pay for services already provided. Remember, by a
6 company that did not have -- that was not properly
7 hired. Long story short, is that a criminal
8 offense? Misallocation of county funds?
9 Negligent misrepresentation?
10 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you, Mr. Balbona.
11 Ms. Davenport.
12 MS. DAVENPORT: Good afternoon to the chair
13 and the Board. Thank you for giving me an
14 opportunity to speak to you this afternoon.
16 MS. DAVENPORT: My name is Karen Davenport.
17 I live in Decatur, Georgia, DeKalb County.
18 As I have sat through the hearings today, I'm
19 here to encourage the State Election Board to make
20 decisions as you noted in your opening prayer that
21 are right. And as I read your task descriptions,
22 actions that are in the service of the voter.
23 Among many of the items the State Election
24 Board has considered today are cases based on
25 unfounded claims of voter fraud. I want to
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1 encourage the Board as you make decisions and
2 recommendations, particularly the recommendations
3 you make to the legislators, to look through the
4 lens of how your decisions are impacting all
5 voters. All voters don't have computers. All
6 voters don't have iPhones.
7 As I listen to many of your responses in
8 response to grants as well as voter registration,
9 I encourage you to look at the infrastructure that
10 currently exists for voters in Georgia. There are
11 issues, in my opinion, that need thorough
12 investigation, because some of the things that we
13 have in place are very much voter suppression for
14 many voters, handicap voters, voters that are not
15 wealthy.
16 I also want to encourage you to look how the
17 current infrastructure for voter registration,
18 knowing where, when to vote, who is running.
19 There are elements in our current structure that
20 make it difficult for Georgia voters to vote.
21 Please consider as you make decisions that there
22 are serious, serious issues that the Board must
23 deal with throughout Georgia to ensure election
24 locations are open and operational for early
25 voting daily from 7:00 to 7:00, helping voters
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1 navigate the more difficult absentee process,
2 voting on designated Saturdays and Sundays.
3 So I implore you, I beg you to definitely
4 understand and take seriously, which I'm sure you
5 do, some of the voting suppression issues that
6 currently exist in Georgia. I encourage you to
7 continue to make decisions based on truth, not
8 unfunded -- unfounded claims of voter fraud which
9 clearly undermines our citizens' trust in our
10 elections and voter process.
11 Thank you.
13 Ms. Adams.
14 SPEAKER: She's not Here.
15 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Ms. Hall.
16 MS. HALL: Good afternoon.
17 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Good afternoon.
18 MS. HALL: My name is Candace Hall, and I'm a
19 Fulton County voter. I've been voting since I was
20 18 and watching my parents vote since I was 4.
21 I'm coming up on 40. Thanks for hearing me today.
22 I appreciate the comments about data being
23 messy. I make decisions based on complicated data
24 daily, and messy is an understatement. I also
25 appreciate and look forward to the standardization
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1 of processes and practices that surround the act
2 of voting. I'd like to make comments and a request
3 on behalf of democracy and free and fair elections
4 in the State of Georgia. Georgians agree that we
5 have the right to vote in free and fair elections.
6 And I fully expect be able to exercise that right
7 without threats or fear of intimidation of any
8 kind. I want that for every single Georgian
9 regardless of party affiliation or political
10 affinity.
11 The 2020 election is settled. The results
12 have been confirmed not once, not twice, but three
13 whole times. Any entertainment or amplification
14 of unproven claims that say anything else
15 undermines the trust we have in our voting
16 process. It also leads to unnecessary and
17 problematic restrictions to the free and fair
18 voting that is the right of the people. Logic
19 tells us that if we examine the elements of an
20 argument and find that the premise itself is
21 false, the conclusion therefore must also be
22 false. We've done that three times. I consider
23 this matter to be settled.
24 Instead, I would like to see the State
25 Election Board refocus and commit their support to
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1 the elections officials in each county as they
2 prepare for what is sure to be a high voter
3 turnout election this fall. Chasing bad faith
4 allegations of voter fraud is a waste of
5 everyone's time and chips away at voters'
6 confidence. It's problematic. It's inefficient.
7 At the very minimum, I would ask that the
8 State Elections Board consider promulgating rules
9 that will help counties better implement SB 202,
10 the Election Integrity Act of 2021, and take
11 intentional steps to make sure elections are
12 freely and fairly accessible to every eligible
13 voter in this state. Let's make the rules and the
14 messaging surrounding those rules clear for
15 Georgians, and let's do that with integrity.
16 I'd like to offer the ABCs of writing, which
17 is what I do professionally; accuracy, brevity,
18 clarity.
19 Thank you for your time and your attention to
20 this matter.
21 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you. Could you tell
22 all the lawyers that write to me those three ABCs?
23 MS. HALL: The ABCs; accuracy, brevity,
24 clarity. Absolutely. Yes.
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2 MS. REARDON: Good afternoon. Thank you so
3 much for serving and all the work that you do. I
4 just don't know where to start. Let's see.
5 No matter how many times you say there was no
6 fraud in 2020, that doesn't make it true. I want
7 to start there.
8 The duties of the State Board are to make
9 sure we've had safe and fair elections. And I
10 won't know where everyone was in the room, but we
11 just went through a lot of cases today, and some
12 were fraud, some were not, some were because they
13 didn't know what they were doing. It was a new
14 system in 2020. But you can't just say there was
15 nothing, because I think we've sat here through,
16 what, five or six hours.
17 But some of the things that I wanted to
18 comment on were the private funds. Last session,
19 there was a bill that the legislators tried to
20 figure out how to equitably distribute the private
21 funds. It got shouted down. I was in the room.
22 And it didn't go any further. There seems to be a
23 lot of controversy around just how to disseminate
24 private funds, which is crazy. So you've got that
25 to look forward to if you have any, you know, ways
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1 that you can offer them, I'm sure it'll be
2 appreciated.
3 The 10:00 p.m. deadline. I live in Cobb
4 County, and I was -- just as an example, in
5 primary 10:00 p.m., that is easy to meet. And we
6 are, what, the second or third largest county in
7 the state. It's really easy folks. There is a
8 poll manager at every poll on day of. They pull
9 the tape and look at the number. They call it in
10 to the supervisor. That's day of number. Then
11 they've got to 7:00 to get the ballots, the
12 absentee ballots. Those can be counted very
13 easily. They don't have to be scanned, they don't
14 have to be opened, they can be counted. We have X
15 number of ballots. So up to that point on
16 election day, you have your advance voting, those
17 tapes are pulled on election day and are counted
18 between 4:00 and 6:00, 4:00 and 7:00 and those
19 numbers are available. These are the number of
20 people who have voted.
21 Now, the absentee ballots, they start opening
22 up, depending on how many we have, like a week,
23 eight days, nine days ahead of time. Those
24 numbers are known.
25 Now, we do not want to go back to 2020. We
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1 do not want to go back to when we're sitting in
2 the Secretary of State three days after the
3 election, four days after the election, still
4 can't say how many absentee ballots there are in
5 Fulton County.
6 So, obviously, people are going to be up in
7 arms about the fact that we don't know and we keep
8 adding ballots. Where are they coming from? So
9 that rule I think is a very good rule that the
10 legislators made for 10:00 on the day of voting,
11 they can at least have the numbers.
12 ERIC -- I do not like ERIC. I don't think I
13 know anyone called Eric, but this ERIC system, I
14 do not like and there are many reasons. And you
15 can research it just like the gentleman before had
16 said. Louisiana just canceled their contract.
17 There are a lot of problems with ERIC.
18 I had a little discussion with Mr. Evans, and
19 I look forward to having more open discussion on
20 this topic. This is really important to me. I'm
21 an immigrant. My vote is very sacred to me, and I
22 went through a lot to get that privilege to vote.
23 So this is very important.
24 So when we have inflated, bloated too many
25 people on the voter rolls, there is -- that is the
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1 whole source of fraud, and I saw it in 2020. So
2 we do have to keep our voter rolls clean. In Cobb
3 County, we been challenging voters, and there
4 doesn't seem to be an adopted method of doing it
5 from county to county to county, even though we
6 have state law that says how it should be done and
7 what should be done. So I suggest that you work
8 with that and come up with the counties the
9 method, because we go NCOA, the data against the
10 list, find out there's 5,000 people on there that
11 shouldn't be on there. That's about the number.
12 This was a few months ago. So then we start
13 running those against how many of these people
14 have had an address change and move to all the
15 different -- all the different states, okay. And
16 then those people have registered to vote in those
17 states. Take those -- and they've been sent to
18 the Board and the supervisor. They sent out the
19 letters. They did get letters back or responses
20 back or they don't. And we're sitting there
21 through all this work and they changed the rules
22 twice now. This past meeting two weeks ago or
23 maybe three weeks ago now, they decided -- they
24 didn't even vote on the 106 that should've been
25 removed before the 90-day deadline before an
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1 election. Various reasons, "Oh, you can't use
2 NCOA data." Well, yeah, you can. Mr. Evans just
3 explained that earlier today. He use -- they use
4 they run their voter rolls against the NCOA data.
5 And then it's like, "Well, you've got proved
6 that they voted in another state." No, you can be
7 registered to vote in multiple states, it's not
8 illegal. But that's the things we get back.
9 It's really not illegal, but there should be
10 a method that if somebody moves from our state or
11 to a different county or within a county that they
12 should know that they have to remove themselves
13 from the voter rolls in Georgia. And that seems
14 to be something that people just don't know.
15 Okay. They did it in Fulton County. Just
16 one more thing. I wish that that had moved
17 faster, because my son voted in the mayor election
18 in Atlanta and they didn't even ask him for his
19 ID.
20 So, there is still a lot of problems in
21 Fulton County, because you need to have an ID to
22 vote. Dead people are still on the rolls, people
23 with addresses -- having PO boxes, vacant lots are
24 still on the rolls. This should not happen in our
25 country.
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1 We are really victim to be a third world
2 country. I want an investigation into why Mr.
3 Raffensperger had just on his own decided that he
4 was going to spend $5 million since February and
5 with some consulting do something about the
6 registrar and the rolls, use Salesforce. I mean,
7 I asked questions; nobody knew the answers. But
8 we really need to get to the bottom of this and
9 really need to have a uniform way of removing
10 people who do not live here, who are not -- who
11 are dead off the rolls, because you can see them
12 come back and vote again, and that happens as
13 well.
14 So my name is Pamela Reardon. I'm open to
15 discussion and helping and having a dialogue with
16 everybody and helping with having some uniformity
17 moving forward with some of these problems that we
18 have. Thank you very much.
19 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you, Ms. Reardon.
20 Mr. Walters.
21 MR. WALTERS: I want to address the Toys for
22 Tots in the schools, my wife and I volunteered
23 setting up the boxes and collecting for 46 years.
24 And a couple of -- invited us to DC for the silent
25 parades -- and the instructions we received --
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1 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: A little closer to the
2 microphone, please. I can't hear you.
3 MR. WALTERS: I was flashing back to an
4 earlier subject.
6 MR. WALTERS: The headquarters in Quantico
7 did tell us to keep our boxes away from -- because
8 it's the voting season, right? Christmas
9 collecting toys and voting but they did tell us to
10 do that years. Yeah, that was on the punch list.
11 So I'm hitting a subject that came up several
12 times earlier today.
13 I retired 11 years ago and subscribed to as
14 many obscure government newsletters and reports as
15 I could, and they just pop up.
16 But Dominion Voting Machines has a list that
17 this other gent referred to of vulnerabilities to
18 the Dominion software. And, supposedly, the
19 Department of Homeland Security prior
20 administration had vetted them and decided this is
21 an adequate machine and endorsement them and I
22 think that's why most states wound up with them.
23 But I'm not that sure about how that flowed but.
24 The Department of Homeland Security --
25 offices organizations and I spoke before with Jen
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1 Easterly, Director of Cybersecurity, had a charge
2 to look at all computers that interact with our
3 government, federal or state, in any way and look
4 for any flaws that they -- that she finds. So
5 that's the list of nine items on last week's
6 report, it's been as high as 11 or 12 on the first
7 reports that I was copied on.
8 Let me just read one, the number one item
9 here, and they're all kind of similar. Not only
10 are they vulnerabilities to the system that are
11 known, but they're undetectable, a machines built
12 to be undetectable. And in speaking with the
13 white hat, the good guy, programs at night in
14 cybersecurity and part of Homeland, they said we
15 can't call by department policy any of the
16 Dominion voting machines to have caused any of the
17 errors in the voting system because those hacks
18 are undetectable. So we can assume that might be
19 where it came from or we think that's where it
20 came from. They kept backing away from it and
21 June 6th of this year, Jan Easterly threw it over
22 the wall to the states, Secretary of States and
23 each of the 50 states asking for an inventory of
24 all the machines in your state by county, who
25 inventoried them, and machine ID number and have
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1 you put in the patches that we requested between
2 you and the vendor Dominion voting machines.
3 And it doesn't surprise me that there is
4 hacks all over the place by any number of bad
5 actors.
6 But just the first item here I'll read: The
7 tested version of Dominion voting systems version
8 ten does not validate application signatures to
9 interested root certificate. So it's got no
10 skills but it looks it doesn't validate itself
11 anywhere. Use of a trusted use certificate
12 insures software installed on the device is
13 traceable to or verifiable against cryptographic
14 key provided by the manufacturer to detect
15 tampering. Well, the department of Homeland
16 Security told me we didn't buy the fully protected
17 version. We bought the unprotected version. And
18 the question from the vendor is if you pay more
19 money we will program anything you like. No,
20 let's just stick with the machine we're looking at
21 because that already sold it in other places to
22 other governments.
23 An attacker could leverage this vulnerability
24 to install malicious code which could also be
25 spread to other the venerable image cast devices
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1 via removable media.
2 So if a hacker can get in the first machine
3 they can spread it through code all of the other
4 machines in all of the other states. And it's
5 very dangerous set up I would say and I think
6 others are worried about it as well.
7 So, is this Board going to have any oversight
8 or control interest at all in the Dominion Voting
9 Systems? I mean I would think you would. But I
10 don't know if that's outside of your parameters or
11 even talking with Secretary Raffensperger about
12 Jen Easterly asking for an inventory of our
13 machines and having the patches put in she
14 suggests.
15 But, yeah, that little hand out I put
16 together is just one out of about 75 pages of
17 reports on various companies, but everybody's in
18 there, Motorola, Apple, IBM, Hewlett-Packard --
19 everybody I've forgotten about. But all the big
20 names are in there. With vulnerable items and
21 usually more fixable than this one, but it seems
22 to be a danger.
23 And then the policy at Homeland Security and
24 there cybersecurity branch is since you can't
25 detect a hack and they're untraceable, we will
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1 have to say we have never found one so that's the
2 quick federal government answer. We've never
3 identified it and they've hired research
4 professors from Auburn, Michigan and I think they
5 mention Stanford out on the West Coast, and they
6 are really digging into it, but the running dead.
7 And I thought the best answers were the fellows
8 that call themselves the white hats. They said
9 they were some of their finest and brightest but
10 they need to be left alone to do their work on
11 researching.
12 So that's all I wanted to tell you and any
13 thoughts just get passed back to Secretary
14 Raffensperger to answer the cybersecurity
15 questions.
16 I, as a voter, and born and raised in DeKalb
17 County, I got -- am interested in us and all of
18 Georgians being safe in our votes; right?
19 The reports I -- obscure reports I subscribe
20 to are mostly to do with national security, is
21 something out of this department going to affect
22 national security and I think we all know from the
23 2019, '20 elections that elections count; right?
24 That's what they always say, "Your vote counts."
25 So since this is where you make the sausage I
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1 thought I'd put that up in case you think it needs
2 any further pursual.
3 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you, Mr. Walters. I
4 appreciate it.
5 Mr. Metz.
6 I'm sorry, have you signed up?
7 MS. JORGENSEN: I'm speaking on behalf of Mr.
8 Metz, he's out running a class field security
9 training program today. So I may as the Board to
10 present to you what he has prepared if that's
11 possible.
13 MS. JORGENSEN: Thank you very much, I
14 appreciate it.
15 Public speaking is not one of my things to
16 do, so I appreciate this. Ted Metz has a lot of
17 confidence in me. My name is Betsy Jorgensen, and
18 I'm actually in Forsyth County.
19 Real quick, he's given me something to -- to
20 share with you, and this was a letter presented to
21 Judge Paul Nally. It was a letter Mrs. Davis had
22 asked -- she asked this question. Why is it our
23 State Election Board will not authorize emergency
24 hand-marked ballots? And Judge Paul Nally
25 responded, "Because, Mrs. Davis, they don't have
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1 to. Nor do they believe their paramount duty
2 requires them to judicially challenge a void
3 contract to protect the people of the state. They
4 prefer for politically expedient view to assume
5 that Raffensperger would not enter into a void
6 contract." The law of O.C.G.A. §21-2-334 clearly
7 gives the election superintendent, whether that be
8 an individual or local board of elections, the
9 authority to make the decision for any other
10 reason to authorize the use of paper ballots for
11 in-person hand-marking and the election. Of
12 course Raffensperger continues his threats to
13 lower election officials. That won't be a worry.
14 You see, the original contract which brought us
15 the Dominion solution signed by the parties on
16 July 29 and August 12, 2019, is void both as a
17 matter of law and of fact. That is due to the
18 provision of the attached Exhibit B,
19 Paragraph 3.1, which both parties agreed that
20 Dominion would provide an illegal piece of
21 equipment which would produce an
22 illegally-formatted piece of paper defined as a
23 ballot. Clear violation of O.C.G.A. §21-2-27.1.
24 Of that fact Raffensperger was aware yet accepted
25 it providing his certification of illegal conduct
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1 even though he knew or reasonably should have
2 known of an illegal piece of equipment, the BMD,
3 and its illegal result.
4 This, as a matter of law, resulted in an
5 intentional fraud being perpetrated upon --
6 perpetrated upon all the legal voters of Georgia,
7 which has been continuing over the last five
8 elections, all of which are void.
9 Kemp v. Mitchell & Company, 216 Georgia 276,
10 282 through 283 in 1960. With the collusion of
11 multiple conspirators, including the U.S. Election
12 Assistance Commission, the State Elections Board,
13 Governor, Attorney General, Speaker of the Georgia
14 House, the President of the Georgia Senate,
15 various judges in the state, at least one federal
16 judge, the GBI, and not to mention a multitude of
17 lawyers, including the U.S. DOJ, aided and abetted
18 by the indifference to their ignorance of the
19 sheriffs and the grand jurors of the state and
20 least we offend -- we offend by failure to mention
21 the FBI, the 46th, the U.S. Congress and
22 leadership of the Georgia Republican Democrat
23 parties. This has been, without a doubt, the most
24 monumental fraud and theft perpetrated upon the
25 people, and shall be recorded by historians and
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1 legal scholars for centuries to come as they
2 record the rise and fall of a second Roman
3 Republic in history.
4 In conclusion, by the way, are you fluent in
5 Mandarin yet? Prepare ye for the second coming of
6 the dark ages -- of the second dark ages where you
7 can have your organs harvested for their vote.
8 Respectively Paul McNally -- Paul Nally.
9 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I'm sorry. This was a
10 judge who wrote --
11 MS. JORGENSEN: This was a judge, Paul Nally.
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Who is Judge Nally?
13 MS. JORGENSEN: I do not know. It was a --
14 it was a -- this question by Ms. Davis was given
15 to Judge Paul Nally, and this was a response
16 forwarded to Mr. Metz which he's -- he's given to
17 me to respond.
18 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Do you know Mr. Nally --
19 Judge Nally?
20 MS. JORGENSEN: I do not know. I do not.
21 SPEAKER: He's a retired.
22 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Retired from what?
23 SPEAKER: I would say --
24 MS. JORGENSEN: And so, I guess in
25 conclusion, what I'm also want to share with you,
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1 in October 2020, Curling v. Raffensperger, page
2 81. Final judgment of that was, ballots do not
3 meet the definition of ballot prescribed in
4 Georgia law. And the definition of a ballot
5 21-2-379.22 and 21-2.300(a)(c)(2 -- (a)(2),
6 election system deemed critical in infrastructure.
7 And this is the last point he was going to
8 make. Georgia Election Code mandates the use of
9 BMD system as the uniform mode available for all
10 in-person voters in federal and statewide
11 elections. O.C.G.A. §21-2-300(a)(2). The
12 statement is correct but does not notice the
13 stipulation of as soon as possible and certified
14 by SOS as safe and practical for use -- as safe
15 and practicable for use -- the certification was,
16 at the very least, a gross abuse of the SOS's
17 discretion.
18 So thank you for your time. Ted thanks you
19 for this time. We hope his live-streamed election
20 training goes well. So, thank you for your time,
21 I appreciate it.
22 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I appreciate your comments.
23 Mr. Le Sueur.
24 MR. LeSUER: Thank you. A real quick
25 question on the grants. Are those outside grants
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1 they come I guess lack of funds for those
2 particular counties?
3 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I don't think we had any
4 testimony or comment today about the source of the
5 funds.
6 MR. LeSUER: I was curious why the grants
7 were being offered in the first place. I just
8 wondered if there was --
9 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I think, if you were here,
10 the response was that these were mainly in 2020.
11 MR. LeSUER: Okay.
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: There was no description of
13 where they came from and that we hadn't seen very
14 many grants --
15 MR. LeSUER: That's just a poi of question.
16 I did want to get with you on some statistics
17 and data that I'm looking for and have been
18 looking for for some time. I believe somebody had
19 mentioned that you were from the business
20 community and are familiar with business processes
21 and so forth.
22 Data and information is really important, I
23 think it would help with the transparency. I've
24 been trying to get some data and statistics on
25 some of these issues that you guys have been
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1 talking about for about a year now. I contacted
2 the Secretary of State, the Attorney General's
3 office, and lately, your body as well. And I'm
4 trying to get information regarding fraud, just
5 basic stats as far as how many fraudulent cases
6 are being heard, how many are being processed, how
7 many have been found to be actual fraud, and how
8 many have been found to be just fantasy. I think,
9 if we had stats on this, it would help to clear up
10 some of the confusion and conspiracies we see out
11 there. At this point, I don't know what
12 percentage of these complaints are completely
13 valid and how many are somewhere in between and
14 some are just, as I say, conspiracies. Without
15 information as to where this comes from, I don't
16 see how we can make good decisions or the
17 legislature.
18 If we can -- one thing I have asked is all of
19 these bodies is, for these fraudulent claims that
20 have been caught, where were they caught? Were
21 they caught after the ballot was cast? During the
22 attempt to cast a ballot? During registration?
23 Or afterwards? Because, if 95 percent of the
24 fraudulent cases are being caught at the ballot
25 box, that means you need to tighten up the
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1 registration. If the registration -- most of it
2 has been caught there, then you don't need to
3 expend resources to tighten it up. So having that
4 information as to where these issues are coming up
5 and where they're being found I think is very
6 critical.
7 In that same vein, if you can share some of
8 this information in an easily accessible form,
9 that would help as well, so people could see the
10 work that you guys are doing and see what is
11 coming from that.
12 The county I'm from, the school board put
13 together a fact-versus-myth list, and that helped
14 dispel a lot of conspiracies that people were
15 spreading around out there. And they also did a
16 good job of quantifying some of the issues so that
17 people could see what they were addressing and
18 that they were addressing them in an efficient
19 way. So if there's any way that you can come up
20 with some sort of dashboard online, sort of say,
21 "Here's what we've processed. Here's what we're
22 still looking at. This is where the disposition
23 of these others ended up," I think that would be
24 helpful to present to the people and see what's
25 happened so far. I would appreciate you
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3 MR. LeSUER: Thank you.
4 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Mr. Riggins.
5 SPEAKER: Who?
6 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Riggins, R-I-G-G-I-N-S.
7 Joseph Riggins. I guess he's not here.
8 Mr. Ferguson.
9 MR. FERGUSON: Earl Ferguson, Fulton County.
10 I'm one of the group that is exercising the
11 Section 229 challenges to remove voters. We've
12 been moderately successful. I give this board
13 some of the credit for that, because of the
14 investigation of Fulton County, they've sort of
15 had to cooperate with us. Unfortunately, our
16 neighbors in Cobb and DeKalb haven't had that
17 opportunity.
18 I would like to bring to your attention a
19 situation which is really not covered in Georgia
20 law. And that's the fact that a lot of our
21 challenges we don't know the outcome of. I was a
22 programmer, but that's what the statement means.
23 And going into the election, there are going to be
24 a lot more, because we're still submitting right
25 now -- I have some next month.
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1 And I'm concentrating on the people who have
2 moved out of state. And if they register in
3 another state, they are not qualified to be
4 Georgia voters and they should be removed. I'm
5 not trying to get anybody who's -- for any other
6 reason except they are not qualified to be Georgia
7 voters. There's a provision in the federal law
8 that says you can't remove anybody basically
9 within 90 days of an election, so we can't have
10 anybody removed. And the county has come up with
11 a temporary category now that we are fitting into
12 with all of these other counties may be in the
13 same situation, which is why I wanted to bring it
14 out in public to everybody's attention.
15 Going into the election, if one of those
16 persons who we have challenged and the challenge
17 has been approved shows up to vote, what do we do?
18 Well, if you look at 230, it means the registrar
19 has to make a decision. And if there are
20 thousands of those, and there could very well be,
21 that is going to be a real problem for delaying or
22 providing the manpower -- extra manpower. So this
23 is sort of a warning, is this is coming. I don't
24 see any way to avoid it.
25 I'm the last speaker, I'm cold, and like the
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1 rest of you, are ready to get out of you.
2 Thank you for listening.
4 Although somebody snuck their name on after your
5 name, so we've got two more speakers.
6 JJ Jorgensen. Are you related to Betsy
7 Jorgensen?
8 MR. JORGENSEN: I am. She is my wiser half.
9 Good afternoon, Board and fellow Georgians.
10 I didn't bring my glasses. I can't read without
11 seeing.
12 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I won't take that out of
13 your time.
14 MR. JORGENSEN: I'll be brief. My name is
15 John Jorgensen. Again, thank you, Board, for
16 doing what you do. I am realizing a lot of what
17 it is to be a volunteer these days. I've been a
18 citizen of Georgia since 1977, and I have voted
19 ever since I have turned 18 years old here in
20 Georgia.
21 I am both ashamed and proud of myself to be
22 here today. The shame part is because I have
23 never been inside this capitol before today. I'm
24 proud of myself for finally getting up out of my
25 chair and coming out here to be with you all and
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1 allow you to hear what I have to say.
2 I talked to a lot of people across where I
3 have lived in many counties across the state, and
4 right now I think most of them will agree that our
5 voting system just is not in order. Voting and
6 election integrity are bipartisan issue; it's not
7 just one side or the other or even the people that
8 like to lie in the middle. I think the confidence
9 of our people has really, really been destroyed.
10 Many of us are not happy with what is going on, so
11 I would like to request to the Board, to you guys,
12 to you use your sphere of influence to the
13 legislature to please restore that confidence with
14 the citizens of Georgia.
15 I would like to request we move to a national
16 voting day. And I would like to see the State of
17 Georgia be one of the leaders in doing that. Not
18 only would I like a national voting day where
19 people -- like McDonald's and Waffle House say
20 365/7 days a week -- they would not go out of
21 business if you all shut them all down for one day
22 where we all have a nice day to come and you don't
23 have to worry about going to work, we all come and
24 do our citizen duty, vote, and get this stuff
25 straight. And I would love to see moving to paper
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1 ballots as well.
2 Thank you very much.
4 Is it Cindy Battles?
5 MS. BATTLES: Yes, sir.
6 Good afternoon. I commend everyone who has
7 managed to make it through this marathon meeting.
8 My name is Cindy Battles. I am the Director
9 of Policy and Engagement for the Coalition for the
10 People's Agenda. I just want to address three
11 quick things that we've talked about during this
12 hearing today. I'll be as succinct and quick as
13 possible.
14 SB 202 set up a system where county board of
15 election, election offices, that kind of thing
16 could be reviewed. We heard an update from
17 Mr. Germany today about how the Fulton County
18 review was going.
19 It was suggested during that discussion that
20 Fulton County should have to pay for observers
21 because the panel is not capable of completing its
22 work because they themselves have election work to
23 do. I'd like to say that I think it's unfair,
24 especially with everything else SB 202 has put on
25 counties to fund, that Fulton County would have to
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1 pay for its own observers. And I would also like
2 to point out, if Fulton County was asked to do
3 that, they could always request observers from the
4 Department of Justice, because those would be
5 free.
6 Regarding the information that y'all were
7 talking about with voter registration and
8 organizations that do voter registration, I want
9 to point out a few things, because, yes, we send
10 out voter education material to voter registration
11 lists. Those voter registration lists are updated
12 daily, so it's almost impossible to have an
13 updated list of who's moved, who's died, who's
14 registered, who's been purged, that sort of thing.
15 And then, because of federal law, 90 days before
16 an election you cannot remove people. So if
17 they've died, if they've had a felony conviction
18 or anything else, HAVA makes it to where you
19 cannot remove those voters. So what you're going
20 to do is penalize organizations that are doing
21 their best to make sure folks exercise their right
22 to vote, because this information is not available
23 online, and I don't think most of us would like it
24 if our information was put online like that.
25 We're paying money for those lists. By the time
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2 then we are going to be penalized for doing those
3 things. So that, to me, is problematic.
4 Another thing, because we were talking about
5 the Collards Caucus. Y'all, I have a question.
6 How is giving folks collard greens and cornbread
7 different than a PAC supporting Herschel Walker
8 giving out gas cards and groceries? Because
9 they're giving these people information with
10 Herschel Walker's picture on it. And what Black
11 Voters Matter and Georgia NAACP are doing is
12 making sure folks have food, making sure there are
13 toys, and giving them voter registration and voter
14 education. It's nonpartisan. You don't even have
15 to be a registered voter to get that information,
16 to get all of the stuff that they're giving away;
17 the collards, the cornbread, the toys, whatever.
18 You don't have to be registered voter, you just
19 have to be a member of the community who showed
20 up. As a matter of fact, I showed up to one and I
21 got collard greens.
22 So it feels like, in an effort to make sure
23 that things are on the up and up, if we're not
24 careful, we're going to penalize organizations
25 that are doing our best to reach out to
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1 disenfranchised voters, because there are plenty
2 of them in the state. There are plenty of people
3 who feel like their voices aren't being heard.
4 The work that we do is not only protected by
5 the First Amendment, but it's encouraged by the
6 National Voter Registration Act. So I want to be
7 really careful when we're talking about these
8 things that, A, we're not making it impossible for
9 us to do our job, and B, we're not punishing us
10 for trying to make sure that people make their
11 voice heard.
12 And finally -- I know, I'm sorry, I'm almost
13 done.
14 There was a conversation -- and I'm sorry I
15 didn't write the case number down -- but about
16 someone who had a temporary residence within his
17 county or outside of his county. You've got Cook
18 v. Board of Registrar of Randolph County. That
19 went all the way to -- not just to -- it went to
20 the Appeals Court, and he was temporarily
21 displaced outside the county and he was still a
22 resident of Randolph County. And I believe it was
23 last year, and maybe it was the year before,
24 because sometimes things... But in Hancock County
25 someone whose home had burned was temporarily
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1 displaced out of the county. And that case was
2 brought before the State Election Board and he too
3 was found that he was still a resident and a
4 registered voter in his own county.
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: I think we agree with you
6 on that.
7 MS. BATTLES: Yeah. So, I just want to make
8 sure that, like, people are understanding when
9 we're talking about this that there is precedent
10 for that.
11 Again, I really commend y'all. If you want
12 any of our research that we've been doing on chain
13 of custody stuff, the grant stuff, we're more than
14 happy to meet with y'all. Thank you.
15 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: Thank you very much. I'm
16 glad you got on the list.
17 All right. That concludes the public comment
18 section of the meeting.
19 I did want to report that we did, during
20 lunch, have our executive session, we did talk
21 about pending legislation against members of the
22 Board to get an update on where those cases were.
23 And we made no decisions or reached no conclusions
24 about anything, it was just a report on the status
25 of the cases.
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2 agenda.
3 Is there a motion to adjourn?
4 DR. JOHNSTON: So moved to adjourn.
5 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: They are very quick about
6 that motion. How about, is it seconded?
8 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All those in favor of the
9 adjourning say "Aye."
11 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: All those opposed "No."
12 (No Response.)
13 CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: We are adjourned.
14 Thank you for coming.
15 (The Meeting adjourned at 4:11 p.m.)
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132/1 153/12 153/20 155/10 158/7
CHAIRMAN DUFFEY: [389] '13 [1] 147/22
159/1 172/13 172/20 196/10 202/3
DAWN HINAES: [13] 85/4 85/7 85/11 '14 [1] 206/22
202/7 202/14 202/25 210/22 211/3
85/14 85/16 85/22 86/6 86/10 88/2 '20 [2] 174/14 263/23
211/11 211/15 211/21 218/14 218/18
88/10 88/16 88/24 90/19 '21 [3] 174/14 175/13 175/15
218/21 219/12 222/18
DR. JOHNSTON: [55] 4/7 20/15 20/17 '22 [2] 174/15 175/4
MS. BATTLES: [2] 276/5 280/7
35/3 35/9 35/11 45/4 45/6 55/19 58/1
61/11 61/13 69/18 69/21 71/22 78/8
MS. CARPENTER: [22] 199/24 200/3 .
200/5 200/8 201/20 202/1 202/6 .11 [1] 140/25
78/10 79/14 84/17 89/22 90/1 90/24
202/12 202/15 202/18 204/3 204/15
91/10 91/14 91/17 91/21 91/25 92/4
92/9 93/13 93/21 95/21 96/7 96/13
204/19 204/25 205/6 205/10 205/19 0
205/25 206/3 206/6 206/8 207/2 0034 [1] 136/22
96/17 97/16 102/25 107/8 107/14
MS. DAVENPORT: [2] 248/12 248/16 020 [2] 121/1 128/24
110/3 119/9 120/2 120/17 128/14
MS. GHAZAL: [23] 10/25 22/9 27/6 031 [1] 104/1
174/10 175/13 175/17 176/1 176/5
29/3 54/19 54/24 55/2 55/7 55/14 033 [4] 92/1 92/1 187/14 194/3
182/13 184/2 184/5 185/21 195/13
55/21 56/3 57/2 57/6 57/15 57/22 58/9 039 [1] 208/6
281/4
59/9 59/19 59/25 70/13 76/2 76/5 78/3 048 [1] 212/19
MR. BALBONA: [1] 246/15
MS. HALL: [3] 250/16 250/18 252/23 073 [1] 139/22
MR. BURNS: [8] 129/13 129/19 130/5
MS. HOLLIS: [25] 145/7 145/11 146/5 074 [1] 92/1
130/20 131/12 131/15 131/24 135/24
146/8 146/10 150/5 150/9 150/17 080 [1] 129/7
MR. EVANS: [2] 80/10 81/18
150/20 151/11 151/14 151/18 151/22 088 [1] 234/8
MR. FERGUSON: [1] 272/9
152/10 152/15 152/24 153/6 153/9
MR. GERMANY: [23] 12/1 16/17 18/7
19/12 19/16 20/22 25/16 28/10 29/23
153/18 154/1 154/17 155/24 156/3 1
157/8 159/24 1.8 million [1] 244/19
32/21 33/22 34/17 35/2 41/12 41/14
MS. JORGENSEN: [6] 264/7 264/13 1/2 [1] 246/24
79/23 80/2 107/19 107/23 114/1 114/6
267/11 267/13 267/20 267/24 10 [1] 58/20
116/22 119/1
MS. KOCH: [1] 97/25 100 [2] 40/5 40/6
MR. JORGENSEN: [2] 274/8 274/14
MS. KOTH: [30] 56/2 56/20 57/3 57/14 1000 [1] 226/4
MR. LeSUER: [5] 268/24 269/6 269/11
59/8 59/16 89/9 98/22 98/24 103/11 103 [2] 227/14 228/3
269/15 272/3
104/4 110/24 113/6 140/5 140/13 105 [1] 110/19
MR. LINDSEY: [85] 19/8 19/10 19/13
144/5 160/9 177/1 177/14 187/18 106 [3] 13/13 60/6 256/24
19/23 42/7 43/5 43/11 44/1 45/16
194/7 196/20 208/9 211/1 211/12 10:00 [5] 85/24 117/20 118/24 118/24
46/10 55/20 57/16 57/20 57/23 60/2
212/22 220/1 223/7 234/2 234/5 255/10
60/8 63/4 64/14 65/8 65/17 68/10
MS. MCGOWAN: [3] 236/24 238/1 10:00 a.m [2] 226/14 226/23
68/24 74/16 76/4 76/7 84/22 85/18
238/6 10:00 deadline [1] 117/21
86/2 86/5 89/23 92/8 92/11 92/18 93/2
MS. REARDON: [1] 253/2 10:00 p.m [7] 111/5 112/23 114/9
93/18 96/9 101/1 101/7 101/10 101/20
MS. SANDERS: [10] 199/20 200/10 115/12 116/5 254/3 254/5
102/5 102/17 102/20 102/23 112/7
201/21 202/16 203/22 204/2 205/20 10th [2] 229/1 230/20
112/10 116/20 117/5 119/3 119/7
205/24 206/10 206/18 11 [2] 259/13 260/6
120/15 121/25 122/2 122/12 123/19
MS. WILSON: [22] 164/10 164/15 11.7 [1] 158/14
124/2 124/15 125/13 128/8 134/2
172/11 172/16 173/5 173/8 174/2 113 [1] 92/1
137/22 137/24 138/1 138/5 138/11
174/5 174/8 174/17 175/14 175/18 11:33 [1] 139/5
159/10 174/4 174/6 186/23 194/21
176/4 176/10 177/17 178/7 181/19 11:52 [1] 139/5
195/11 196/13 204/21 205/1 205/7
181/24 182/3 182/24 184/4 184/7 11th [1] 229/2
207/10 216/24 217/6 217/23 218/13
SPEAKER: [38] 11/11 19/9 46/20 12 [2] 260/6 265/16
218/17 234/16 234/19 235/4 239/16
53/20 54/1 54/4 54/8 54/11 92/16 12-2-381 [1] 227/18
MR. MARK REED: [20] 120/20 120/25
92/22 92/25 93/23 94/3 94/8 94/14 12.09 [3] 163/4 163/17 163/17
121/5 121/18 122/1 122/4 122/25
95/20 96/16 101/15 101/16 101/17 12.11 [2] 144/7 144/14
123/4 123/9 123/22 123/25 124/6
101/22 103/19 128/17 128/21 129/7 12.19 [1] 58/20
124/9 124/14 125/9 126/6 127/16
129/10 136/4 136/8 136/21 136/25 123 [1] 97/22
127/21 128/1 128/13
137/4 137/10 160/6 186/8 250/14 12:00 noon [1] 228/25
MR. MASHBURN: [68] 10/23 11/5
267/21 267/23 272/5 12:55 [1] 187/11
37/21 39/11 41/11 43/14 43/23 54/16
THE BOARD MEMBERS: [13] 11/18 12th [1] 229/3
64/23 65/10 65/15 88/22 89/16 95/6
58/4 90/10 96/24 103/4 110/11 119/15 13 [3] 65/18 113/14 121/20
95/13 95/17 95/22 96/2 97/21 99/16
120/8 129/1 138/15 159/7 186/1 187/7 14 [1] 168/20
104/1 106/14 108/10 109/24 110/15
THE BOARD MEMEBERS: [8] 195/24 147 feet [1] 123/7
122/15 122/18 123/1 123/5 123/23
208/2 212/15 219/19 222/24 235/15 147-foot [1] 125/5
124/7 124/10 125/2 125/4 125/10
238/20 281/10 15 [1] 131/17
126/3 130/22 137/15 137/23 137/25
138/3 138/10 138/19 139/1 153/21 $ 15-day [1] 82/13
154/23 155/5 155/21 156/21 157/21 150 [3] 122/3 123/21 124/11
$10,000 [1] 33/1 150 feet [2] 123/7 124/13
158/17 158/23 178/10 185/5 185/15
$37 [2] 20/18 33/4 150-foot [1] 126/16
185/18 186/13 186/20 187/1 194/24
$37 million [2] 20/18 33/4 156 [4] 165/21 165/22 183/2 189/13
195/21 207/15 212/4 217/3 222/14
$375,000 [1] 248/4 158 [1] 22/11
234/21 238/15 281/7
$4.48 [1] 247/17 159 [1] 79/25
MR. QUINN: [4] 242/9 245/19 245/22
$4.48 million [1] 247/17 16 [1] 246/24
246/1
$5 [1] 258/4 17 [3] 3/3 11/2 11/17
MR. SCHNEIDER: [2] 239/10 239/22
$5 million [1] 258/4 18 [2] 250/20 274/19
MR. WALTERS: [3] 258/21 259/3
259/6 180 [2] 223/13 225/7
MRS. GHAZAL: [30] 107/10 107/15 183-1-12-.11 [1] 140/25
1 21-2-27.1 [1] 265/23 379.22 [1] 268/5
21-2-3 [1] 221/21 38 [1] 92/4
183-1-12-11.7 [1] 158/14
21-2-300 [1] 268/11 381 [3] 227/18 228/4 233/11
183-1-12-21.9 [1] 158/12
21-2-328 [1] 163/3 388 [1] 215/10
183-1-12.09 [3] 163/4 163/17 163/17
21-2-334 [1] 265/6 39813 [1] 228/16
183-1-12.11 [2] 144/7 144/14
21-2-379.22 [1] 268/5 3rd [3] 85/24 86/19 243/5
183-1-12.19 [1] 58/20
21-2-381 [2] 228/4 233/11
184 [1] 69/24 4
21-2-388 [1] 215/10
19 [2] 161/5 227/14
21-2-403 [1] 163/11 40 [1] 250/21
19 V 103 [1] 228/3
21-2-413 [5] 99/11 143/21 144/19 400 [1] 104/7
1960 [1] 266/10
148/20 184/15 403 [1] 163/11
1970 [1] 5/13
21-2-414 [1] 184/14 404 [1] 1/24
1977 [1] 274/18
21-2-421 [1] 111/1 413 [5] 99/11 143/21 144/19 148/20
19th [1] 213/7
21-2-437 [1] 164/5 184/15
1:00 p.m [1] 229/1
21-2-450 [1] 191/5 414 [1] 184/14
2 21-2-493 [2] 188/20 192/9 42 [1] 69/24
21-2-500 [1] 198/23 421 [1] 111/1
2.300 [1] 268/5
437 [1] 164/5
20 [5] 58/10 86/1 96/14 138/8 168/21 21-2-570 [1] 104/15
21-2-572 [1] 214/23 44 [1] 97/23
200 [1] 226/7
21-2-586 [1] 164/5 45 [3] 104/2 137/18 138/2
2000 [2] 241/19 244/10
21-2-590 [1] 215/22 450 [1] 191/5
2002 [2] 4/4 11/3
21-2-597 [1] 233/20 46 [1] 258/23
2012 [1] 205/13
21-2-99 [2] 190/9 193/22 46th [1] 266/21
2013 [6] 197/24 199/3 200/14 205/8
21-2.300 [1] 268/5 47 [1] 72/2
205/13 206/22
21.9 [1] 158/12 49 [3] 121/1 121/2 138/3
2014 [3] 197/24 199/3 205/8
212-2-7.1 [1] 245/16 493 [2] 188/20 192/9
2018-106 [1] 60/6
216 [1] 266/9 4:00 [2] 254/18 254/18
2019 [3] 131/16 263/23 265/16
4:11 [1] 281/15
202 [9] 13/12 24/19 25/17 29/24 40/24 218 [1] 210/13
47/11 252/9 276/14 276/24 22 [2] 1/11 4/4
225 [1] 54/21 5
2020 [43] 30/6 33/23 34/10 34/13
228 [5] 85/14 85/16 85/17 90/5 96/22 5,000 [1] 256/10
34/18 104/5 114/10 114/14 131/17
50 [2] 226/17 260/23
141/15 141/22 144/23 160/12 160/19 229 [2] 228/23 272/11
23 [1] 228/15 500 [1] 198/23
162/8 172/18 175/9 175/10 175/14
230 [3] 69/19 231/5 273/18 500,000 [1] 183/3
177/4 204/6 212/24 213/5 213/7
24 [3] 227/24 229/9 229/11 501 [1] 105/16
213/14 213/22 214/1 215/1 215/3
24th [1] 87/11 53 [3] 110/19 110/22 110/23
215/18 218/22 220/14 220/16 221/5
25 [1] 96/21 56 [2] 160/4 193/8
221/12 222/1 251/11 253/6 253/14
25 feet [1] 123/8 570 [1] 104/15
254/25 256/1 268/1 269/10
27 [2] 161/10 163/2 572 [1] 214/23
2020-0034 [1] 136/22
27.1 [1] 265/23 586 [1] 164/5
2020-073 [1] 139/22
2757 [1] 1/23 590 [1] 215/22
2020-156 [1] 189/13
276 [1] 266/9 597 [1] 233/20
2020-225 [1] 54/21
28 [5] 72/1 141/15 160/17 235/24 5:00 p.m [1] 229/1
2020-228 [4] 85/16 85/17 90/5 96/22
236/8
2020-33 [2] 194/16 196/6
280 [1] 210/7 6
2020-34 [1] 196/17 6070 [1] 1/24
2021 [35] 12/14 14/4 14/7 14/20 17/3 282 [1] 266/10
283 [1] 266/10 61 [1] 219/23
17/3 17/10 82/14 97/23 128/18 175/17 64 [1] 223/3
223/10 224/25 225/21 226/13 226/15 29 [3] 78/11 220/16 265/16 6:00 [1] 254/18
226/23 226/24 227/2 227/4 227/5 2972 [1] 228/23
2:00 [1] 187/10 6:30 [1] 86/23
227/22 228/1 228/3 228/6 228/18 6:30 p.m [1] 86/13
229/13 230/25 231/3 231/14 231/20 2:13 [1] 187/11
6th [1] 260/21
232/6 232/7 233/24 252/10 3
2021-031 [1] 104/1
3.1 [1] 265/19 7
2021-080 [1] 129/7 7 million [1] 71/6
30 [3] 160/3 166/10 245/19
2021-088 [1] 234/8 7.1 [1] 245/16
300 [1] 268/11
2021-3005 [1] 248/2 733 [1] 1/24
3005 [1] 248/2
2021-31 [1] 138/7 75 [1] 262/16
30324 [1] 1/24
2021-56 [1] 193/8 77 [2] 70/1 71/7
30334 [1] 1/10
2021-88 [1] 235/9 7:00 [4] 249/25 249/25 254/11 254/18
31 [2] 104/5 138/7
2022 [9] 1/11 3/3 11/17 12/17 12/22 7:00 a.m [2] 163/12 209/13
31st [6] 86/14 87/8 87/14 87/19 88/3
16/13 19/21 20/2 20/7 7:00 and [1] 184/24
88/5
2022-020 [2] 121/1 128/24 7:00 p.m [2] 114/16 161/22
328 [1] 163/3
2022-20 [1] 138/8
33 [4] 78/11 81/19 194/16 196/6
2022-25 [1] 96/21
334 [1] 265/6
8
2022-28 [2] 235/24 236/8 81 [1] 268/2
34 [3] 87/23 89/6 196/17
2024 [1] 175/7 849-2972 [1] 228/23
341 [1] 1/8
20th [1] 55/23 88 [2] 223/5 235/9
35 [1] 92/4
21-2-106 [1] 13/13 8:00 a.m [1] 228/25
365 [1] 131/25
21-2-218 [1] 210/13 8:00 p.m [1] 209/5
365/7 [1] 275/20
21-2-230 [1] 231/5
8 abstained [1] 141/19 addressing [4] 32/16 72/13 271/17
abuse [1] 268/16 271/18
8:33 [1] 1/12
accept [17] 5/16 42/23 43/6 95/7 96/19 adequate [5] 6/4 68/13 190/11 193/17
8th [1] 227/9
97/3 103/22 157/5 166/18 194/23 259/21
9 195/1 195/11 207/10 207/17 222/15 adequately [2] 190/3 193/10
90 [2] 273/9 277/15 234/16 234/23 adhere [1] 187/25
90-day [1] 256/25 Acceptance [1] 24/8 adhering [1] 141/11
95 percent [1] 270/23 accepted [3] 6/1 119/24 265/24 adjourn [2] 281/3 281/4
99 [2] 190/9 193/22 accepting [3] 25/19 38/18 181/14 adjourned [2] 281/13 281/15
9:10 a.m [1] 98/3 access [4] 88/25 169/5 182/12 247/19 adjourning [1] 281/9
9th [4] 177/11 212/24 215/18 229/1 accessible [4] 34/3 67/1 252/12 271/8 adjuded [1] 231/10
accidentally [1] 61/22 adjudication [1] 188/18
A accommodations [1] 132/13 adjunct [1] 22/20
a.m [7] 98/3 139/5 163/12 209/13 accomplish [1] 15/6 adjusting [1] 171/11
226/14 226/23 228/25 accomplishing [1] 8/5 administer [2] 27/1 27/20
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131/12 131/13 131/13 131/15 133/5
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165/12 174/22 178/24 179/8 179/14
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198/6 198/14 200/6 200/22 203/7
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203/17 205/5 207/7 207/25 208/3
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256/21 260/2 260/9 260/24 261/4
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281/8 281/11
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145/8 145/14 158/10 158/15 159/11
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162/15 162/20 164/21 169/23 170/10
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98/11 137/16 138/18 247/17 273/17
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279/3
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226/4 226/19 227/15 228/6 228/15
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28/18 28/23 30/3 31/19 36/7 40/16 273/14
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40/25 41/9 41/15 41/23 42/6 42/15 attitude [1] 23/17
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42/17 44/13 46/5 60/13 60/19 61/6 attorney [55] 2/10 3/5 66/20 74/6 77/17
242/12 253/23 271/15
61/25 62/21 63/6 63/9 64/9 64/13 97/12 113/11 141/8 146/23 146/24
arrive [2] 228/10 229/7
64/22 64/25 70/5 72/14 111/14 112/5 155/22 156/4 157/2 158/10 158/20
artificial [1] 111/22
113/1 115/9 115/22 116/1 117/19 158/21 159/5 159/16 171/17 177/22
as [237] 4/10 5/23 5/23 6/17 6/25 6/25
118/23 119/5 184/15 178/19 179/9 179/24 180/24 182/4
7/3 7/3 7/10 7/25 9/25 9/25 10/7 10/10
assign [1] 64/19 182/6 185/5 185/12 195/4 195/9
10/14 13/12 14/1 14/20 14/20 15/3
assigned [3] 165/17 246/25 247/9 195/17 207/19 212/1 217/13 217/20
15/23 18/18 18/20 19/2 19/20 23/25
assignment [7] 7/24 64/11 65/14 78/1 219/15 222/16 232/4 232/9 232/12
27/18 27/20 27/20 29/9 29/22 30/14
78/1 103/22 103/23 232/17 232/23 234/19 234/24 235/1
33/9 34/1 35/1 35/1 35/7 35/13 35/14
assist [2] 15/19 20/1 235/9 236/12 236/16 236/19 236/23
38/9 38/10 38/12 38/21 39/5 40/14
A 151/3 151/6 152/1 152/3 153/25 155/1 154/4 154/7 156/2 156/6 156/9 156/19
155/13 155/18 155/18 156/10 156/18 157/9 157/16 167/13 168/6 169/7
attorney... [5] 237/1 237/15 238/13
157/10 157/14 157/15 161/3 162/9 172/1 173/18 175/2 175/24 176/16
266/13 270/2
164/8 169/8 169/12 170/22 176/14 177/25 178/12 179/13 180/6 180/13
attorney's [2] 51/17 141/9
177/5 177/8 177/8 177/9 177/11 181/1 181/25 183/17 184/8 184/16
attorneys [1] 155/14
177/15 182/17 182/18 183/22 184/6 185/1 185/6 187/3 200/11 200/19
Auburn [1] 263/4
184/6 191/2 191/2 191/6 191/17 197/9 201/16 205/17 206/15 208/14 211/3
audience [4] 24/6 68/11 81/17 239/17
208/11 213/9 213/15 214/2 215/14 211/5 212/2 214/15 218/22 220/6
audience's [1] 63/12
215/25 219/2 219/6 220/3 220/7 220/20 222/8 223/19 229/12 233/5
audio [3] 39/7 203/23 203/23
220/11 220/16 220/21 220/23 221/25 233/15 235/2 247/16 249/12 253/12
audit [5] 23/7 81/2 167/15 167/25
223/13 224/7 225/14 225/19 225/20 253/15 256/9 257/17 257/21 258/11
174/19
226/3 226/11 227/25 228/5 228/10 259/7 260/17 261/21 264/25 270/23
August [7] 1/11 4/4 14/4 83/19 153/14
228/11 228/14 228/17 228/18 228/21 272/13 272/24 274/22 276/21 276/22
167/21 265/16
230/1 231/25 233/4 233/12 233/15 277/4 277/9 277/15 277/22 278/4
August 12 [1] 265/16
241/15 265/23 268/3 268/4 270/21 278/8 279/1 279/24
August 2021 [1] 14/4
270/22 270/24 been [136] 6/7 6/16 7/12 8/6 8/24 9/8
August 22 [1] 4/4
ballots [80] 55/10 55/11 56/4 56/11 10/19 11/1 13/8 14/13 14/15 16/17
authority [7] 13/25 73/8 73/22 182/11
56/15 65/21 68/15 68/16 93/7 93/11 16/18 20/3 24/14 24/18 30/12 40/19
224/21 230/5 265/9
111/8 111/8 111/23 112/2 112/15 47/10 48/24 49/13 52/6 59/12 60/23
authorize [2] 264/23 265/10
112/22 114/12 150/19 152/9 152/14 64/15 69/8 71/24 72/23 72/25 74/24
automatically [1] 83/2
160/25 162/12 162/17 164/7 167/7 75/1 81/2 87/16 90/2 94/20 95/8 95/24
available [20] 31/17 37/14 62/11 69/13
169/11 169/24 176/2 176/6 176/12 96/10 96/21 100/16 101/11 108/14
69/14 73/19 79/22 79/25 114/16
177/1 177/20 178/2 182/21 183/5 115/4 121/18 121/19 124/7 126/14
114/23 167/7 168/16 171/3 209/19
183/14 183/18 183/19 183/20 183/20 127/17 128/9 134/16 135/20 137/18
221/14 222/8 246/11 254/19 268/9
183/21 188/18 188/21 189/11 189/24 139/19 146/16 147/12 147/16 147/22
277/22
189/25 189/25 192/7 192/19 193/2 148/2 148/11 150/10 157/17 165/25
Avenue [1] 229/6
196/8 197/1 197/18 198/11 199/1 168/4 170/4 170/6 171/23 173/15
average [1] 82/6
208/14 209/10 209/16 215/5 215/11 178/3 179/11 180/6 182/3 184/19
avoid [1] 273/24
221/22 223/16 224/8 224/13 224/21 184/23 184/24 187/5 195/2 195/7
avoiding [1] 158/12
226/8 231/7 241/15 246/8 246/23 195/7 195/20 197/18 197/19 199/10
aware [8] 77/6 168/14 179/18 213/16
254/11 254/12 254/15 254/21 255/4 200/13 204/4 204/6 205/4 205/9
214/3 240/4 243/19 265/24
255/8 264/24 265/10 268/2 276/1 205/15 207/16 208/12 208/15 210/10
awareness [1] 203/12
Baptist [3] 163/20 163/21 168/11 212/5 215/15 217/4 223/4 224/14
away [11] 80/20 80/22 86/22 88/5
bar [1] 245/12 228/7 228/18 231/2 232/16 232/19
104/6 108/4 115/16 252/5 259/7
Barbara [5] 220/2 220/8 220/13 221/11 232/22 234/22 235/8 236/13 237/18
260/20 278/16
221/25 238/12 244/15 244/25 245/2 245/18
axes [1] 128/2
Barnes [5] 233/4 233/4 233/8 233/13 246/25 247/8 250/19 251/12 256/3
aye [42] 11/17 11/18 58/3 58/4 90/9
233/17 256/17 256/24 260/6 266/7 266/23
90/10 96/23 96/24 103/3 103/4 110/10
base [1] 90/16 269/17 269/24 269/25 270/7 270/8
110/11 119/14 119/15 120/7 120/8
based [21] 7/15 17/21 22/1 30/24 52/25 270/20 271/2 272/12 273/17 274/17
128/25 129/1 138/14 138/15 159/6
73/7 76/13 93/13 118/7 121/7 134/9 274/23 275/9 277/14 280/12
159/7 185/25 186/1 187/6 187/7
135/15 167/18 187/19 188/23 193/7 before [54] 6/1 25/15 30/7 33/24 38/20
195/23 195/24 208/1 208/2 212/14
232/6 243/24 248/24 250/7 250/23 41/5 42/5 46/25 47/11 49/20 49/24
212/15 219/18 219/19 222/23 222/24
basic [1] 270/5 50/16 53/12 62/6 63/6 70/12 73/24
235/14 235/15 238/19 238/20 281/9
basically [5] 19/16 56/8 63/13 93/5 123/20 131/11 134/21 138/22 140/9
281/10
273/8 141/7 141/8 148/6 148/14 149/18
B basis [8] 40/2 66/6 70/19 80/12 80/23 156/7 156/11 160/14 163/6 164/23
back [41] 18/5 23/13 25/19 26/16 40/12 81/1 178/22 241/3 173/25 176/14 182/4 192/14 192/21
42/13 42/24 44/2 44/7 44/25 56/6 57/7 Battles [2] 276/4 276/8 209/9 214/10 215/15 228/21 235/25
77/8 100/2 100/20 103/10 113/7 bay [2] 38/14 207/3 236/14 237/19 242/1 242/17 255/15
117/10 118/13 123/13 125/17 125/25 be [354] 256/25 256/25 259/25 274/23 277/15
139/14 146/24 151/5 151/25 153/18 Bear [1] 35/7 279/23 280/2
157/14 159/13 163/25 175/2 200/23 Beaver [3] 168/10 170/19 184/23 beg [3] 174/5 176/4 250/3
236/20 254/25 255/1 256/19 256/20 became [2] 68/1 162/17 begin [10] 4/5 23/22 31/15 46/11 54/14
257/8 258/12 259/3 263/13 because [165] 12/6 12/16 17/3 19/5 62/13 62/16 97/20 119/4 139/22
Backbone [1] 244/24 20/13 21/22 24/4 27/21 31/2 32/13 beginning [6] 41/17 46/23 83/19 171/6
background [7] 12/24 24/6 25/14 27/8 32/25 33/9 33/22 34/5 34/19 34/19 180/2 240/17
46/25 114/7 240/15 37/1 37/7 37/8 37/9 38/4 44/10 44/19 begun [2] 6/17 13/1
backgrounds [1] 240/18 45/19 47/4 49/10 49/13 51/5 52/14 behalf [12] 10/15 21/17 48/1 78/5
backing [1] 260/20 52/20 53/4 56/25 57/4 57/10 58/19 175/19 177/24 210/21 222/5 222/9
bad [5] 39/16 39/24 247/18 252/3 59/5 60/12 60/21 63/12 64/15 65/23 237/15 251/3 264/7
261/4 65/23 67/9 67/10 67/21 68/21 69/14 behavior [1] 35/18
Balbona [3] 246/14 246/18 248/10 70/25 71/15 71/20 72/23 73/23 74/4 behind [1] 151/13
Baldwin [1] 121/20 74/11 74/17 75/14 76/23 76/25 77/9 being [60] 5/15 6/20 10/12 28/20 28/21
ballot [110] 14/19 56/10 58/16 59/2 77/14 82/5 83/11 86/23 87/4 92/20 28/22 29/19 30/20 39/2 46/3 47/11
59/3 65/21 77/23 85/23 85/24 86/12 97/8 99/8 102/2 102/10 113/2 113/6 47/23 48/12 50/7 62/11 70/21 71/21
86/15 88/3 88/3 88/6 98/17 101/5 113/7 114/23 115/11 125/14 125/19 71/23 84/7 85/23 90/8 94/23 95/13
101/11 101/17 140/9 140/23 140/24 126/16 127/21 131/8 132/22 133/8 108/24 120/6 129/17 136/1 138/13
144/11 144/17 146/13 146/16 147/15 133/13 133/21 133/22 141/20 142/6 142/1 145/18 148/1 149/17 152/5
148/9 148/13 150/8 150/16 151/1 149/12 149/17 152/3 152/10 152/16 166/8 167/1 185/14 185/24 195/22
B 28/5 28/14 31/13 32/7 36/6 37/25 brag [1] 154/9
41/20 41/24 42/11 42/20 42/24 42/25 branch [1] 262/24
being... [22] 197/16 201/10 203/13
42/25 43/16 44/24 45/10 46/9 47/1 brazen [1] 247/6
207/24 212/13 219/9 222/22 224/18
47/5 47/10 47/17 48/1 48/4 49/11 breached [2] 72/24 72/25
227/17 235/13 236/19 238/17 247/14
49/18 49/22 50/3 52/12 52/14 52/20 bread [1] 104/7
250/22 263/18 266/5 269/7 270/6
53/3 53/12 54/5 54/13 54/15 64/24 break [6] 138/22 138/25 139/2 139/3
270/6 270/24 271/5 279/3
65/1 69/1 71/4 74/15 78/6 88/15 91/19 160/2 186/15
belief [1] 8/13
96/13 97/14 97/18 99/3 99/5 99/7 breakfast [5] 98/2 100/15 101/10
believe [25] 5/24 14/9 16/4 51/9 52/24
103/18 113/20 113/24 115/21 121/6 125/15 125/21
57/3 63/7 66/4 75/21 76/24 76/25 77/2
123/6 123/20 130/8 130/12 136/13 brevity [2] 252/17 252/23
96/13 111/18 111/25 133/25 175/8
139/10 140/6 140/14 141/1 141/4 brief [8] 12/4 55/4 186/18 187/16
175/9 182/6 183/11 217/13 247/15
141/7 141/7 141/13 141/14 141/15 196/19 212/20 223/6 274/14
265/1 269/18 279/22
141/18 142/6 142/15 143/6 143/13 briefcases [1] 4/13
believed [4] 4/24 63/15 67/21 226/19
145/12 145/13 146/21 146/22 147/2 briefing [1] 240/11
believer [1] 31/4
147/3 147/22 147/23 147/25 148/2 briefly [1] 54/20
believes [1] 49/19
148/3 148/18 149/10 149/17 149/18 brightest [1] 263/9
bell [2] 107/21 122/24
149/20 151/7 153/10 154/10 154/11 bring [9] 6/15 7/21 18/19 18/24 228/10
Ben [1] 232/4
155/8 155/22 155/23 157/4 158/11 229/6 272/18 273/13 274/10
bench [1] 51/17
159/13 160/11 160/16 161/9 161/13 bringing [1] 18/20
beneficial [2] 76/9 76/11
161/24 162/10 162/22 162/25 163/3 broadcasts [1] 245/2
beneficiary [1] 6/16
163/9 163/15 163/16 164/3 164/16 broadly [1] 73/5
benefit [6] 38/2 63/12 176/15 178/17
164/17 165/6 165/7 167/6 168/7 broken [1] 191/9
179/22 185/6
169/19 169/25 170/24 171/18 172/2 Brooke [8] 227/22 229/8 229/11 229/13
benevolent [1] 106/10
172/4 172/7 172/8 172/17 175/22 230/20 232/3 233/19 234/12
Bennett [5] 187/20 187/21 208/24
177/16 177/21 177/24 179/11 182/5 Brooks [1] 58/10
209/7 209/8
183/4 183/16 183/22 186/17 186/18 brother [1] 87/4
best [17] 10/16 17/7 27/19 31/7 49/1
188/6 188/8 188/9 189/1 189/2 189/9 brother's [2] 87/10 87/10
64/2 77/5 81/13 111/4 124/10 166/10
190/7 190/15 190/16 190/17 190/20 brought [13] 86/22 91/5 115/9 122/8
179/19 184/1 185/2 263/7 277/21
190/23 191/24 192/2 193/13 193/20 141/6 142/9 142/17 202/23 240/6
278/25
194/14 198/18 198/22 209/8 210/16 243/20 244/7 265/14 280/2
Betsy [3] 4/10 264/17 274/6
215/8 215/21 216/6 216/10 216/17 Bryant [7] 213/19 214/3 215/9 215/22
better [10] 9/3 11/9 114/4 157/7 157/8
217/15 217/19 221/17 221/19 222/10 216/8 216/11 216/19
173/1 184/21 184/25 239/13 252/9
226/6 227/7 227/10 227/13 227/18 budget [7] 7/6 7/6 7/12 20/18 33/4
Betty [1] 225/21
228/21 229/20 229/23 231/11 231/17 247/16 247/18
between [14] 7/5 21/9 23/18 46/14 50/2
232/18 232/21 233/19 234/10 236/25 buffer [3] 108/4 124/4 124/4
70/21 88/12 135/13 166/23 228/24
237/14 237/16 237/19 243/1 243/21 build [4] 8/4 23/9 134/19 204/22
239/7 254/18 261/1 270/13
247/25 248/13 248/19 248/24 249/1 building [12] 1/9 102/1 102/4 130/23
beyond [4] 15/14 27/4 126/19 161/22
249/22 251/25 252/8 253/8 256/18 130/25 133/18 134/17 157/17 157/18
bias [1] 35/14
262/7 264/9 264/23 265/8 266/12 217/7 229/5 229/24
big [7] 13/21 35/1 74/2 130/8 164/11
271/12 272/12 274/9 274/15 275/11 buildings [1] 34/6
164/13 262/19
276/14 279/18 280/2 280/22 built [1] 260/11
bill [3] 25/17 131/16 253/19
Board's [5] 10/10 115/25 155/11 178/4 bunch [1] 200/21
Billy [1] 197/12
246/12 bunches [1] 104/7
bin [1] 184/6
boards [4] 29/13 155/16 171/15 224/20 burden [3] 75/12 75/15 78/18
bipartisan [1] 275/6
Bobbie [8] 197/17 198/4 198/18 198/22 burdensome [2] 5/23 76/9
birth [1] 225/9
199/23 199/24 200/10 201/22 burned [1] 279/25
Bishop [2] 226/25 227/8
BOC [1] 248/1 Burns [3] 129/7 129/12 134/20
bit [11] 14/11 19/2 25/9 29/11 46/24
bodies [1] 270/19 business [10] 46/22 67/20 104/5 127/6
56/7 81/8 98/21 98/23 114/7 140/11
body [3] 27/19 64/20 270/3 204/11 227/12 236/11 269/19 269/20
bite [1] 155/20
books [3] 58/15 58/24 191/2 275/21
black [15] 104/8 104/9 104/22 106/5
booted [1] 236/7 busy [1] 201/7
148/1 223/8 223/13 224/13 224/23
born [1] 263/16 but [275] 4/15 5/2 5/20 6/22 7/7 8/24
225/2 225/4 225/11 230/18 233/23
both [25] 6/5 12/19 13/6 32/6 33/21 9/5 11/6 11/15 14/12 15/9 16/3 18/1
278/10
68/15 87/5 92/5 116/12 140/22 164/25 19/2 20/5 20/11 21/13 22/11 23/20
black-eyed [2] 104/8 106/5
168/1 184/22 197/11 198/3 198/6 23/24 24/3 24/17 25/9 26/15 28/25
blame [3] 71/1 71/5 130/11
211/13 217/18 217/18 217/18 219/6 30/11 30/15 30/21 31/17 32/11 33/6
Blanchard [4] 141/3 141/24 142/7
225/15 265/16 265/19 274/21 33/14 33/20 34/21 36/24 37/8 37/13
142/19
bottom [4] 28/15 127/24 218/10 258/8 37/14 38/12 39/11 40/1 40/12 40/15
bless [3] 108/14 108/16 109/2
bought [1] 261/17 42/19 43/19 43/24 46/15 47/6 47/8
bloated [1] 255/24
bound [2] 135/4 155/6 48/8 48/20 50/9 51/12 51/18 53/2
blue [1] 104/13
box [25] 65/21 67/18 67/22 67/23 68/15 53/14 53/19 54/9 54/19 55/17 56/5
BMD [6] 59/2 161/2 165/14 176/11
85/24 86/12 86/16 86/17 86/19 86/19 57/3 58/25 59/3 60/10 60/18 61/4
266/2 268/9
86/25 87/9 87/11 87/15 88/4 88/11 61/23 62/9 62/20 63/19 63/21 67/8
BMDs [1] 171/14
93/8 93/12 177/9 184/6 210/5 225/5 67/18 67/24 68/1 68/3 69/3 69/6 70/8
board [260] 1/7 4/4 5/17 5/18 6/3 6/3
228/15 270/25 70/20 71/25 73/14 73/20 74/4 74/14
6/6 6/15 6/23 7/8 7/9 7/10 7/21 9/6
boxes [17] 66/11 196/22 197/23 199/2 74/21 74/25 75/13 75/17 75/25 76/23
10/15 10/16 10/19 10/20 12/2 12/3
199/5 203/24 204/7 204/12 204/17 77/2 77/2 77/12 78/14 80/5 81/22 83/1
12/4 12/7 13/3 13/4 13/5 13/6 13/8
206/8 206/10 241/15 241/25 246/23 83/8 84/15 85/9 85/24 86/8 86/13
13/24 14/4 14/5 15/2 15/2 15/5 18/19
257/23 258/23 259/7 87/12 87/14 88/3 88/14 89/20 91/13
20/9 21/11 22/20 25/18 25/25 26/12
Brady [1] 197/7 94/12 97/9 99/21 100/4 100/19 100/23
26/25 26/25 27/2 27/15 27/18 27/25
B 36/9 38/11 44/5 44/24 45/1 49/16 107/17 108/5 108/8 108/25 109/18
49/20 50/14 50/17 51/4 52/2 52/22 110/19 115/24 120/24 121/1 121/12
but... [158] 101/25 102/3 102/3 102/15
53/10 57/8 60/3 62/25 64/2 64/19 123/2 123/3 130/18 132/12 136/4
105/22 106/16 107/11 108/16 108/20
66/22 71/20 72/19 72/21 73/9 74/10 136/5 136/9 136/10 136/16 136/19
109/3 113/1 113/9 114/2 114/3 114/14
76/24 77/6 77/8 77/17 77/19 77/24 136/20 136/21 137/3 137/17 137/19
115/2 115/18 116/11 117/13 118/15
80/5 80/6 81/1 81/16 82/8 83/1 85/2 137/20 138/7 138/8 139/14 139/15
121/14 122/7 123/2 124/17 124/23
85/5 86/11 88/24 89/7 89/9 90/17 139/16 139/22 139/25 140/1 141/12
125/18 126/2 126/22 129/24 131/1
98/20 104/3 108/20 112/18 118/8 154/20 160/3 178/4 178/16 179/3
131/2 131/3 131/15 132/21 132/25
118/9 121/25 121/25 122/15 122/16 179/21 179/24 183/1 187/14 189/12
133/2 133/3 133/21 133/25 134/11
122/22 126/10 127/1 130/11 140/1 193/7 194/2 194/3 195/6 203/15 208/9
135/10 135/17 135/22 136/21 138/21
142/5 148/25 150/3 153/22 154/10 211/5 212/19 219/11 219/23 223/3
143/4 143/12 143/16 145/21 145/24
159/19 159/20 168/22 170/7 170/9 223/5 223/5 227/14 228/2 235/23
146/15 147/1 147/6 147/7 148/1
172/13 174/3 175/3 175/7 178/18 236/4 237/4 238/2 238/4 239/23
148/17 148/22 149/3 149/9 152/1
179/8 183/23 186/5 187/13 203/11 245/25 246/25 247/9 264/1 279/15
154/3 155/15 156/4 156/5 157/2 157/6
203/22 205/3 205/21 207/21 217/11 280/1
157/19 158/4 159/13 159/22 164/11
219/1 240/24 241/8 244/6 245/22 cases [55] 24/18 46/24 48/23 50/19
164/13 165/5 166/8 167/4 169/6
246/21 254/1 254/12 254/14 255/11 50/19 51/16 52/5 52/13 52/16 53/4
169/13 170/10 171/17 171/24 174/4
255/15 257/2 257/6 258/11 260/18 53/20 68/12 68/15 90/25 91/1 91/5
175/10 176/19 177/6 177/13 179/8
262/2 262/3 267/7 270/16 270/18 95/4 95/9 96/4 96/20 97/4 97/5 97/6
179/17 179/21 180/11 181/2 181/9
271/7 271/19 97/7 97/7 97/8 97/8 97/15 106/19
181/17 181/22 182/17 184/15 187/2
can't [36] 19/9 40/19 51/19 56/19 56/24 136/17 136/17 137/8 137/13 137/16
195/2 195/5 195/6 196/5 200/16
57/3 65/24 66/11 66/12 66/15 67/10 138/9 138/17 138/22 139/7 139/8
201/11 202/20 204/6 204/12 205/2
67/10 67/11 73/22 77/18 77/20 85/5 139/8 179/10 187/14 198/25 235/21
205/21 206/20 207/2 209/24 211/2
87/23 100/21 108/20 156/2 183/16 236/6 237/4 237/7 237/10 237/14
211/25 218/2 218/6 219/6 220/16
186/6 206/2 217/10 217/14 217/22 248/24 253/11 270/5 270/24 280/22
220/23 222/8 224/1 226/18 236/3
253/14 255/4 257/1 259/2 260/15 280/25
236/6 237/15 237/22 239/1 240/20
262/24 273/8 273/9 274/10 cash [2] 30/19 46/15
241/5 242/3 245/13 245/22 246/6
cancel [3] 82/2 82/8 221/24 cast [27] 43/24 86/13 87/8 87/14 87/19
251/12 253/10 253/14 253/17 255/13
canceled [2] 177/11 255/16 87/23 88/2 88/4 111/7 112/4 112/15
257/8 257/9 258/7 259/9 259/16
cancellation [3] 210/14 215/10 221/21 112/23 115/19 132/6 132/15 151/10
259/23 259/23 260/11 261/6 261/10
cancellations [1] 82/10 155/13 160/25 192/15 192/19 193/2
262/9 262/15 262/17 262/19 262/21
Candace [1] 250/18 215/25 243/22 243/25 261/25 270/21
263/6 263/9 268/12 272/22 279/5
candid [1] 117/15 270/22
279/15 279/24
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104/19 105/5 124/7 192/23 208/16 catch [1] 47/20
buying [1] 38/11
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188/15 189/5 192/23 230/2 category [4] 136/23 137/3 137/20
bypassed [2] 144/9 145/24
candidates/campaigns [1] 189/5 273/11
bypassing [1] 145/15
cannot [6] 62/25 148/4 174/2 218/18 Catholic [1] 163/24
C 277/16 277/19 Cathy [1] 197/12
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124/23 124/24 capable [1] 276/21 Caucus [3] 104/10 106/2 278/5
Calhoun [14] 224/1 224/4 224/5 224/19 capacity [1] 173/3 caught [5] 270/20 270/20 270/21
225/12 225/15 225/23 226/24 228/21 capita [2] 40/2 40/7 270/24 271/2
230/24 231/11 232/3 233/18 234/10 capitol [2] 1/9 274/23 caused [3] 115/12 188/2 260/16
California [1] 167/19 capture [1] 80/20 Causey [5] 227/6 232/2 232/5 233/19
call [31] 3/2 4/3 32/15 72/22 84/22 car [1] 123/13 234/11
105/17 115/14 131/18 131/21 134/8 cards [1] 278/8 causing [1] 162/2
136/5 136/10 136/17 152/24 165/2 care [2] 54/20 242/23 CCR [1] 1/23
165/14 184/21 184/22 184/25 213/17 career [1] 8/6 cease [12] 178/17 178/21 179/17
214/4 214/9 214/17 218/2 218/3 218/4 careful [7] 100/5 109/18 123/20 126/4 179/22 180/11 181/5 181/9 181/25
228/22 239/5 254/9 260/15 263/8 126/5 278/24 279/7 185/7 185/10 185/16 237/9
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142/10 169/3 197/7 214/18 221/8 Carol [7] 212/22 214/7 214/8 215/8 cellular [1] 143/24
227/6 229/14 255/13 215/21 216/7 216/11 center [4] 37/4 37/12 167/17 174/19
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122/5 123/13 165/20 167/18 178/25 198/22 199/24 200/3 200/4 200/5 193/11 198/25
201/10 204/11 236/1 245/1 259/11 carried [2] 151/5 238/23 certainly [9] 28/5 42/11 46/1 46/4 63/10
260/19 260/20 269/13 carries [4] 138/17 196/2 223/2 235/18 171/9 171/24 182/7 240/9
camera [3] 67/23 86/18 226/1 Carroll [1] 129/9 certainty [3] 68/19 181/3 188/25
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201/13 case [111] 49/6 53/23 54/21 54/24 261/11
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21/11 21/14 24/22 25/23 33/5 34/4 97/23 99/18 101/24 106/20 107/11 chain [1] 280/12
C circumstances [4] 118/16 181/16 41/23 42/13 42/24 44/23 49/16 57/7
206/19 218/19 86/22 117/1 124/18 126/8 126/8 145/4
chair [23] 2/2 5/17 11/5 11/8 13/6
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19/24 20/3 20/15 25/16 27/7 35/7 39/9
cities [2] 175/20 175/25 174/24 183/22 184/24 201/4 201/14
41/12 43/14 45/4 114/6 120/17 138/19
citizen [2] 274/18 275/24 204/5 206/22 229/25 244/12 256/8
148/2 179/11 186/20 248/12 274/25
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Chair's [1] 138/20
citizens' [1] 250/9 275/22 275/23
chairman [62] 10/23 11/11 35/3 37/21
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40/21 42/7 45/18 54/17 57/16 57/24
225/5 226/3 229/17 231/15 231/21 66/23 103/23 125/17 125/25 171/13
60/3 61/2 61/10 61/11 64/3 65/18
233/24 237/6 217/18 217/20 270/15
68/10 68/24 78/10 85/18 86/2 89/16
claim [1] 9/15 comfort [1] 5/15
90/24 92/11 93/23 95/6 96/7 98/18
claimed [5] 143/11 143/18 177/5 214/6 comfortable [3] 42/4 42/5 48/22
101/1 110/16 112/8 116/20 117/6
220/16 coming [20] 34/24 36/16 44/2 44/25
120/15 121/5 122/16 124/15 125/13
claims [6] 143/9 221/2 248/25 250/8 73/23 83/22 146/5 151/20 151/23
127/16 128/14 128/15 134/2 137/15
251/14 270/19 232/14 241/20 241/21 250/21 255/8
138/1 141/19 164/10 164/15 167/14
clarification [1] 235/21 267/5 271/4 271/11 273/23 274/25
171/6 171/15 172/6 173/6 177/17
clarity [4] 22/13 30/15 252/18 252/24 281/14
181/19 182/13 194/21 196/14 204/22
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216/24 236/25 238/6 239/16
clean [2] 240/3 256/2 comment [19] 31/8 41/25 43/20 45/6
chairperson [1] 13/3
clear [11] 56/14 76/20 95/11 108/22 60/5 61/2 70/11 70/12 76/13 78/12
chairwoman [1] 187/20
109/14 176/13 211/2 235/2 252/14 79/11 90/25 100/25 106/14 194/10
challenge [6] 16/22 18/18 167/1 169/20
265/23 270/9 242/15 253/18 269/4 280/17
265/2 273/16
cleared [1] 201/24 comments [15] 23/13 27/4 41/3 42/2
challenged [4] 78/11 183/19 183/23
clearly [7] 27/25 29/17 108/19 133/4 61/14 65/6 68/23 74/14 100/24 121/4
273/16
155/2 250/9 265/6 185/3 239/4 250/22 251/2 268/22
challenges [6] 94/9 169/21 231/13
Clemens [9] 213/1 213/3 213/8 213/13 commission [4] 31/20 32/15 170/24
231/19 272/11 272/21
214/21 215/4 215/13 216/4 216/12 266/12
challenging [5] 78/14 226/15 227/2
clerk's [1] 200/22 commissioned [1] 22/3
231/3 256/3
client [3] 178/12 182/1 182/12 commissioners [4] 98/18 148/4 148/20
chance [2] 136/18 237/20
close [4] 11/15 114/25 126/16 127/9 248/1
change [16] 8/3 10/11 77/3 77/7 82/17
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82/19 82/21 83/12 113/16 131/19
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131/21 192/13 208/16 212/8 246/8
closer [3] 74/1 81/10 259/1 commitment [4] 6/19 7/8 7/14 23/25
256/14
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changed [4] 81/3 108/1 113/23 256/21
closet [7] 196/23 197/25 198/5 198/6 committees [3] 23/7 23/8 23/8
changes [6] 6/21 6/25 7/7 45/3 161/2
199/5 200/15 200/18 common [2] 76/15 130/20
168/1
closing [3] 189/16 190/1 191/23 communicate [7] 47/14 47/24 73/10
changing [1] 210/15
closure [1] 22/14 188/8 188/11 189/1 189/3
charge [4] 31/24 46/9 73/20 260/1
Coalition [1] 276/9 communicated [3] 91/11 188/14 189/4
charities [1] 35/12
Coast [1] 263/5 communicating [1] 244/18
Charlene [3] 2/10 186/4 236/21
Cobb [5] 246/18 246/21 254/3 256/2 communication [3] 65/1 73/17 78/21
Charles [3] 213/11 215/9 216/8
272/16 communications [4] 47/25 70/2 70/10
chart [1] 177/15
code [20] 99/2 99/6 140/7 143/19 71/23
Chasing [1] 252/3
143/20 147/24 148/21 148/23 161/12 communities [1] 106/6
check [5] 81/23 147/11 149/21 204/5
162/23 163/2 163/11 164/5 188/20 community [2] 269/20 278/19
214/15
191/5 192/9 243/13 261/24 262/3 companies [2] 73/1 262/17
checked [3] 72/6 148/12 225/5
268/8 company [7] 72/24 240/14 244/9
checking [1] 87/3
Code O.C.G.A [1] 188/20 244/14 247/24 248/6 266/9
checks [1] 115/7
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chief [17] 104/21 170/1 170/11 187/23
Coffee [1] 247/19 compared [2] 165/14 225/15
188/5 190/15 191/19 193/14 198/3
cognizant [1] 15/4 compares [2] 80/17 82/18
198/18 199/24 227/5 227/6 232/2
Coke [1] 139/1 comparison [1] 81/22
234/10 234/11 246/20
cold [1] 273/25 competency [1] 13/17
children [2] 106/11 108/11
Coliseum [1] 213/20 competent [1] 14/14
children's [1] 244/20
collaboratively [1] 6/24 competently [1] 48/20
China [1] 244/25
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chips [1] 252/5
collards [2] 278/5 278/17 compiled [1] 149/13
choice [2] 38/21 108/18
colleagues [3] 5/18 10/16 97/14 complainant [22] 53/24 54/1 54/2 54/13
choices [1] 99/25
collecting [2] 258/23 259/9 86/8 90/4 92/7 96/5 96/22 98/5 98/8
chose [1] 105/23
collectively [2] 41/5 42/3 104/4 104/10 198/11 223/7 223/12
chosen [1] 229/12
college [4] 62/13 62/15 86/22 88/6 223/17 223/25 224/3 224/5 224/12
Chris [1] 229/14
collegial [1] 50/2 224/19
Christie [5] 163/1 163/10 163/16 164/4
collegiality [1] 23/18 complainants [2] 47/15 91/5
170/5
collegiate [1] 23/18 complained [1] 141/1
Christmas [4] 104/25 108/11 109/2
collusion [1] 266/10 complaint [31] 8/21 50/25 53/12 54/3
259/8
colored [2] 104/7 106/2 67/12 69/10 85/13 86/1 86/2 88/9
church [5] 45/24 163/20 163/21 163/24
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168/11
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Cindy [2] 276/4 276/8
combined [1] 167/3 149/4 149/7 149/11 177/2 187/19
circle [2] 40/12 125/8
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circumstance [1] 181/15
C congratulate [1] 246/19 115/7 243/13 262/8
Congress [1] 266/21 controversy [1] 253/23
complaints [24] 8/19 8/22 9/4 9/23 47/2
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47/3 47/4 47/6 47/18 52/10 69/2 69/6
connection [3] 24/15 109/11 109/16 convenes [1] 63/6
69/24 70/1 72/6 76/17 90/21 94/10
Conner [1] 229/5 conversation [3] 84/14 220/25 279/14
99/13 143/14 160/17 160/20 187/22
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270/12
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complete [13] 12/14 13/14 13/22 13/22
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14/6 15/10 16/4 19/20 20/14 21/16
50/21 91/2 95/4 95/9 96/4 96/20 97/7 Cook [1] 279/17
188/17 192/5 228/13
106/16 121/7 121/12 124/16 124/21 cooperate [2] 10/3 272/15
completed [6] 12/21 21/14 21/22
124/23 124/24 182/3 237/2 237/5 cooperation [2] 19/5 50/2
208/24 220/10 228/17
consequence [3] 167/9 167/24 181/6 cooperative [2] 14/13 17/10
completely [4] 107/2 173/20 247/11
consequences [2] 9/19 45/21 copied [1] 260/7
270/12
Consequently [1] 173/20 copies [2] 55/9 246/10
completes [1] 235/19
consider [12] 35/15 42/1 66/4 72/13 copy [6] 58/22 143/13 149/6 149/8
completing [2] 177/7 276/21
117/21 139/16 148/24 158/23 170/13 152/4 227/10
completion [3] 19/15 19/25 193/24
249/21 251/22 252/8 core [2] 8/18 44/18
complex [1] 8/8
consideration [5] 70/9 113/8 159/17 corn [1] 104/7
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192/20 231/8 cornbread [3] 106/6 278/6 278/17
complicated [3] 133/13 237/25 250/23
considered [7] 30/18 132/15 139/12 Cornelia [1] 121/21
complied [1] 121/8
144/1 155/15 236/20 248/24 corporation [1] 23/7
comply [5] 127/1 161/5 189/16 190/8
considering [2] 227/14 272/1 correct [22] 7/19 9/12 9/20 23/16 25/17
193/14
consist [1] 80/13 35/2 64/23 65/4 66/1 89/11 89/13
component [5] 166/14 166/15 169/18
consistent [3] 8/9 79/10 135/5 101/14 123/10 136/6 149/22 158/17
171/12 171/13
consistently [1] 135/12 163/18 172/10 174/8 176/11 185/18
components [1] 72/16
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compound [1] 183/7
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compounded [1] 182/19
conspirators [1] 266/11 correction [1] 153/17
compounding [1] 182/25
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computing [2] 192/14 245/14
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concentrating [1] 273/1
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concern [18] 29/6 61/10 63/22 65/21
consultant [1] 174/11 could [67] 16/10 17/15 18/1 20/25
66/1 66/14 66/19 68/22 70/13 75/15
consultants [2] 18/21 19/7 26/22 27/25 31/17 31/18 34/11 50/22
102/11 112/18 182/23 183/24 184/10
consulted [1] 141/7 57/7 60/2 66/5 66/23 71/22 73/21 84/1
184/12 203/1 227/20
consulting [2] 167/25 258/5 84/5 84/12 84/12 87/21 91/23 92/20
concerned [8] 22/12 45/20 87/1 93/18
contact [2] 82/7 148/5 100/25 103/8 105/20 105/24 112/20
117/6 117/7 117/14 182/25
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concerning [1] 244/23
contain [4] 58/24 70/23 205/5 205/7 151/6 157/10 166/21 177/20 179/7
concerns [4] 74/17 101/21 113/4
contained [3] 241/22 243/9 243/15 181/9 184/19 196/19 196/24 197/3
125/15
contempt [1] 232/23 199/4 200/1 202/19 211/17 211/18
conclude [1] 188/24
CONTENTS [1] 3/1 214/18 217/15 219/8 225/13 227/7
concludes [1] 280/17
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conclusion [5] 26/21 232/9 251/21
contingent [1] 125/5 252/21 259/15 261/23 261/24 271/9
267/4 267/25
continuance [4] 78/13 91/9 96/14 271/17 273/20 276/16 277/3
conclusions [1] 280/23
137/24 could've [1] 179/5
conduct [18] 4/19 5/22 9/5 9/16 14/25
continue [31] 12/17 14/10 40/14 57/17 couldn't [5] 122/6 126/12 133/21
20/19 23/12 25/5 51/4 69/12 80/12
59/10 59/18 59/19 60/10 65/17 65/22 157/13 157/15
99/8 126/17 144/19 175/18 175/24
88/20 89/8 89/20 90/3 90/7 91/22 counsel [6] 2/9 11/24 14/15 15/10
223/9 265/25
91/24 91/25 94/20 95/11 102/19 172/17 231/9
conducted [2] 167/15 239/18
102/20 130/9 138/2 153/15 177/23 count [9] 100/18 111/23 132/10 144/17
conducting [4] 183/11 190/12 193/19
187/13 211/17 236/4 244/3 250/7 155/19 165/8 183/9 210/18 263/23
224/22
continued [12] 58/7 90/14 95/5 95/8 counted [13] 87/7 88/1 112/16 182/18
conference [2] 143/1 229/4
95/14 95/25 96/21 138/7 139/20 223/4 182/22 183/21 209/10 224/16 228/12
confidence [8] 38/1 48/5 48/14 183/6
236/4 236/8 243/24 254/12 254/14 254/17
252/6 264/17 275/8 275/13
continues [1] 265/12 counter [2] 170/9 191/15
confident [2] 15/9 180/5
continuing [4] 30/14 90/9 247/23 266/7 counters [1] 191/16
confirm [3] 57/7 59/14 172/13
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confirmation [1] 56/12
contract [5] 240/21 255/16 265/3 265/6 16/25 22/11 23/3 23/11 23/14 24/13
confirmed [10] 55/14 98/16 140/20
265/14 24/16 24/16 24/17 27/24 28/8 28/12
141/5 142/16 143/15 161/7 161/19
contracted [3] 223/9 225/2 233/23 29/4 29/9 30/1 30/24 31/2 32/24 33/17
177/10 251/12
contracts [1] 245/10 36/3 38/13 40/3 45/8 45/13 46/14 66/8
confirming [1] 205/4
contradictory [1] 161/14 66/17 66/24 70/18 73/14 74/2 74/3
conformity [1] 66/8
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confuse [1] 218/19
contribution [1] 40/13 83/22 84/3 100/5 110/25 111/3 111/6
confused [2] 123/2 219/2
contributions [3] 30/19 30/20 46/16 111/9 111/11 111/15 111/17 111/19
confusing [1] 218/22
control [7] 35/14 36/6 45/10 100/22 111/21 114/10 114/18 114/20 115/6
confusion [3] 135/20 188/2 270/10
C COVID [4] 34/19 38/10 106/11 161/5 150/21 167/21 223/18 226/5 244/8
cracks [1] 173/4 245/2 254/23 254/23 255/2 255/3
counties... [20] 116/7 116/9 116/10
crazy [1] 253/24 273/9 274/17 275/20 277/15
116/12 116/15 117/7 117/8 117/13
create [2] 23/17 31/19 DC [1] 258/24
118/20 172/22 181/12 225/15 243/23
created [2] 106/1 203/20 DDS [1] 78/18
244/16 252/9 256/8 269/2 273/12
creates [1] 37/10 de [2] 106/24 106/25
275/3 276/25
creating [2] 163/25 183/6 de-link [2] 106/24 106/25
counting [4] 89/13 112/1 176/7 230/18
credit [5] 9/22 141/22 162/13 180/7 dead [4] 70/10 257/22 258/11 263/6
country [5] 5/2 34/23 80/21 257/25
272/13 deadline [13] 16/5 111/6 111/10 111/12
258/2
criminal [1] 248/7 111/22 112/12 114/17 117/21 117/22
counts [7] 163/2 163/10 164/4 165/8
criteria [4] 75/10 75/24 113/12 227/20 117/24 118/25 254/3 256/25
191/3 192/11 263/24
critical [8] 22/15 27/10 111/13 133/5 deal [19] 36/5 52/22 130/7 137/13
county [220] 3/4 11/23 12/6 12/20 13/3
240/4 241/25 268/6 271/6 227/9 227/23 229/8 229/11 229/13
13/5 14/13 14/19 14/23 14/24 15/5
critically [1] 16/10 229/18 230/3 230/7 230/13 230/20
15/18 15/21 15/22 16/12 19/4 20/17
cross [7] 81/23 83/4 90/25 92/12 92/13 232/3 233/20 234/12 235/23 249/23
21/1 21/2 22/10 26/1 27/14 27/22
93/16 94/5 dealing [2] 107/17 107/20
29/12 29/14 31/21 33/4 33/7 33/11
crowd [1] 236/14 dealt [4] 27/8 65/19 178/21 224/9
40/7 40/9 46/4 54/22 56/18 56/23
crucial [1] 15/8 Dean [2] 142/10 142/16
57/13 58/10 59/7 60/6 63/18 63/25
cryptographic [1] 261/13 Dear [1] 228/2
65/19 73/13 79/18 81/10 82/7 82/25
crystal [1] 76/20 death [3] 70/20 70/21 80/18
85/21 97/22 98/18 99/5 99/22 100/10
crystal-clear [1] 76/20 Decatur [8] 212/23 213/3 215/7 215/20
100/16 102/1 104/2 121/1 126/13
curious [3] 122/13 172/21 269/6 216/5 216/10 216/17 248/17
126/14 129/9 130/12 130/25 131/1
Curl [1] 197/12 deceased [11] 70/1 70/9 71/24 72/1
131/2 132/4 132/14 132/17 133/1
Curling [1] 268/1 72/6 72/11 80/14 80/14 80/16 222/8
136/22 138/2 139/14 139/23 140/6
current [9] 15/1 18/25 29/13 71/1 78/20 226/21
140/14 140/19 141/4 141/25 142/7
210/6 211/25 249/17 249/19 December [3] 55/23 104/5 131/17
142/15 142/20 143/6 145/12 145/13
currently [8] 26/9 84/9 84/9 84/11 84/11 December 15 [1] 131/17
149/19 156/22 160/3 160/5 160/10
116/16 249/10 250/6 decide [10] 28/18 37/17 41/18 42/18
160/18 160/20 161/9 161/21 161/24
custody [1] 280/13 44/2 45/1 64/7 64/12 139/10 159/20
162/7 162/10 162/16 162/25 163/9
cut [1] 74/16 decided [7] 5/15 44/8 116/19 159/18
163/15 164/3 164/19 165/1 165/23
cutting [1] 63/13 256/23 258/3 259/20
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32/13 34/10 34/14 39/17 40/7 43/23
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107/19 108/24 113/23 116/22 125/20
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128/11 214/16 229/16 240/11 274/24
77/5 78/16 80/19 82/11 90/15 100/1 160/18 160/20 161/9 161/21 161/24
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58/8 60/1 78/4 78/5 96/13 110/17
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242/9 248/12 250/16 250/17 253/2 167/13 174/24 175/18 175/21 183/9
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255/9 260/13 270/16 271/16 274/9 183/11 183/25
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276/6
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46/24 47/18 48/14 54/7 55/3 62/18
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99/22 100/5 104/16 105/6 105/8
51/18 53/5 54/9 65/13 73/16 82/3 82/9 128/6 128/10
109/20 179/8 180/25 182/20 272/12
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124/12 125/23 146/11 146/18 146/20 hacker [1] 262/2
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105/3
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38/10 42/9 61/3 114/14 135/16 141/22
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104/6 104/15 104/17 105/1 108/11
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56/24 59/23 64/21 68/21 77/8 77/23
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186/16 186/21 186/22 187/5 201/4
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37/9 39/1 39/5 39/16 39/20 42/17
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42/21 44/9 46/13 46/24 47/19 49/23
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53/17 64/12 64/14 67/3 67/7 67/18
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179/2 186/14 186/15 186/16 186/24
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205/20 205/21 210/8 229/15 239/5
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242/12 255/6 258/4 262/7 263/21
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268/7 272/23 272/23 273/15 273/21
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134/4 134/5 157/10 169/13 179/2
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56/7 56/13 56/17 57/9 59/15 63/14
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68/5 68/19 90/18 123/18 145/25
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176/17 180/10 180/15 206/13 271/25
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174/4 174/6 204/23 264/8 264/19 234/12 236/3 236/3 236/13 236/15
146/10 181/10 258/12
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237/13 238/7 275/10 280/14
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125/23 126/25 206/23
53/23 74/14 76/7 85/6 88/22 113/4 180/1 246/1 271/21 271/21
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Harper [9] 140/19 140/22 140/24 142/2
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142/2 142/11 144/13 158/1 158/13
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232/23
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230/5 230/8 230/11 230/13 230/17
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57/18 92/13 93/24 94/1 94/2 94/3 94/6 Highway [2] 210/7 210/17
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226/22 227/1 227/3 227/9 229/7 Hinaes [3] 85/4 85/7 85/9
90/2 91/8 96/21 99/23 108/1 110/9
230/16 230/22 231/2 231/2 231/6 hindsight [1] 169/9
114/25 115/4 117/20 127/17 132/11
232/10 232/18 235/25 236/2 250/21 Hinks [1] 95/18
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187/22 188/2 195/20 199/10 204/6
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205/4 208/9 210/10 211/23 220/1
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220/23 224/4 224/13 224/16 226/4
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228/7 228/18 229/9 240/22 241/13
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126/11 137/25 200/11 252/9 269/23 280/4
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128/19 133/22 136/15 158/4 205/15
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215/25 220/3 220/5 220/13 220/20 hopefully [6] 18/15 34/20 34/20 54/19
89/12 91/2 91/8 91/9 91/11 91/12
222/1 229/15 230/3 230/6 230/13 113/3 135/11
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H 165/6 165/7 168/7 168/14 172/21 271/7 271/19 273/2 273/15 273/18
173/8 180/18 183/6 183/15 185/7 273/19 275/21 277/2 277/16 277/17
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203/15 204/23 205/21 206/24 217/10 ignoring [1] 155/12
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239/21 240/5 246/11 246/18 246/18 266/2 266/3
131/7 131/8 131/11 132/21 133/18
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ID [3] 257/19 257/21 260/25 impede [1] 37/17
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256/6 256/13 259/23 270/5 270/6
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270/6 270/7 270/13 270/16 276/17
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278/6 281/6
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128/8 233/2
33/2 33/19 34/7 35/3 39/4 39/17 41/4 LLC [1] 1/23
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53/6 57/13 60/3 69/4 74/21 77/4 78/2 214/21 214/23 215/5 215/14 216/4
74/5 74/9 75/8 77/20 108/2 110/8
78/10 78/15 78/23 79/4 79/6 79/11 loaded [1] 167/1
135/18 160/14 163/6 164/23 165/4
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255/11 266/15 266/20 268/16
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103/10 110/18 111/2 113/2 113/2 265/8
147/1 148/15 153/24 155/1 155/17
113/14 117/9 120/20 122/22 123/10 located [3] 209/12 229/5 244/22
183/8 247/3
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145/2 145/23 146/5 149/23 154/21 133/16 142/17 143/9 144/22 145/1
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152/8 152/13 201/16 263/10
238/7 239/4 239/11 240/13 241/1 162/15 214/14 249/24
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30/21 38/20 39/9 44/6 54/12 55/3
65/13 69/15 77/25 84/16 85/19 120/13 142/16 143/6 144/6 144/18 145/11
58/11 100/21 100/23 112/22 118/5
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122/18 125/14 140/3 153/21 153/21
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184/24 211/2 216/25 224/16 230/15
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260/8
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60/20 62/22 63/9 66/7 66/19 66/21
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68/8 69/6 69/23 72/19 73/21 74/2 78/5
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78/10 79/15 79/17 80/7 113/1 117/12
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126/24 127/11 173/1 174/11 204/5
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260/2 260/3 273/18
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37/14 40/24 41/8 41/9 42/10 43/15 232/6
93/21 122/5 147/14 149/2 172/25
45/3 46/4 46/12 46/12 49/17 50/17 Margaret [5] 213/19 215/9 215/22
240/20
51/25 52/15 53/12 56/19 57/23 60/12 216/8 216/11
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61/7 62/24 63/3 63/8 64/1 64/8 64/20 Marines [1] 108/14
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64/24 65/13 66/17 69/4 70/4 70/12 mark [2] 120/25 126/16
89/12 123/15 127/13 152/22 152/25
71/10 71/17 77/21 78/12 79/11 80/7 marked [5] 61/13 123/14 123/17
171/24 174/22 184/5 261/20 269/17
87/4 87/5 89/5 89/17 91/23 91/25 214/12 264/24
269/18 271/22
99/25 100/25 106/11 106/12 109/14 markers [1] 191/2
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111/16 115/22 117/19 118/23 124/19 marketing [1] 248/3
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125/16 134/5 134/6 149/21 155/6 marking [1] 265/11
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165/11 165/12 166/7 171/5 171/20 Marlow [1] 177/2
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177/24 182/8 186/22 200/16 203/16 Martyr [1] 163/23
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207/11 218/5 218/10 229/24 235/20 Mary [6] 140/20 141/6 141/17 141/21
32/25 33/6 33/9 34/5 34/13 34/19
235/20 239/24 241/11 241/13 242/14 144/8 144/14
36/16 37/6 37/8 37/25 38/3 43/8 49/14
242/24 244/2 246/8 248/19 249/1 Mashburn [14] 2/3 6/8 54/15 64/15
54/9 62/2 62/10 69/2 81/12 84/1
249/3 249/20 249/21 250/7 250/23 78/1 97/20 99/15 103/25 115/21
121/22 123/12 126/13 126/22 128/9
251/2 252/11 252/13 253/6 253/8 153/21 182/6 185/4 195/21 242/15
130/16 152/1 152/7 152/13 156/12
263/25 265/9 268/8 270/16 273/19 Mason [1] 163/22
156/14 180/11 209/15 234/5 239/21
276/7 277/21 278/22 279/10 279/10 master [1] 80/18
241/21 246/2 253/11 253/23 255/17
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255/22 257/20 264/16 271/14 272/20
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272/24 274/16 275/2
72/9 277/18 matching [1] 33/10
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127/10 165/17 165/18 173/22 173/25 matt [1] 153/21
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278/12 279/8 77/18 94/19 102/10 104/9 104/22
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191/12 191/14 191/18 245/10 259/21 manager [17] 140/23 142/4 142/8 matters [4] 236/16 236/17 237/23
260/25 261/20 262/2 142/18 150/24 153/24 154/3 155/9 239/1
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166/2 172/25 173/1 191/7 191/9 191/9 managers [2] 191/7 216/7 45/18 46/20 55/15 61/15 61/16 63/22
191/9 244/3 247/19 247/21 259/16 Mandarin [1] 267/5 67/12 67/12 68/10 70/4 79/1 93/23
260/11 260/16 260/24 261/2 262/4 mandates [1] 268/8 101/1 112/8 115/23 116/2 116/5
262/13 manipulated [1] 244/6 116/12 122/17 124/17 125/13 126/1
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31/16 31/20 33/3 38/21 39/15 39/16 manpower [3] 32/16 273/22 273/22 177/17 182/21 202/9 204/21 214/15
42/2 52/24 60/16 62/11 64/16 81/19 manufacturer [1] 261/14 215/3 216/25 219/1 220/16 228/8
87/17 99/13 108/18 113/18 121/11 many [38] 16/14 16/21 70/9 70/17 71/9 228/13 240/10 243/12 243/14 264/9
129/14 148/6 161/14 164/18 167/20 74/18 100/7 105/22 113/4 114/11 273/12
167/22 168/1 173/10 173/10 173/23 114/12 114/13 116/21 116/23 121/19 May 17 [1] 11/17
177/17 178/9 237/24 248/2 255/10 174/15 226/10 243/19 245/8 246/3 May 19th, 2020 [1] 215/3
280/23 248/23 249/7 249/14 253/5 254/22 May 28 [1] 141/15
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221/16 221/19 222/9
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142/20 146/21 146/21 227/20 232/1 monies [1] 45/14
6/8 8/25 8/25 9/1 9/3 9/5 9/14 10/4
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18/5 20/19 24/11 30/18 30/21 35/7
257/10 monitoring [1] 143/23
38/8 38/18 39/5 39/11 44/6 45/12 55/3
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56/16 66/14 67/5 69/1 72/9 73/4 85/2
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85/8 87/11 88/13 91/1 91/17 99/21
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101/21 102/11 106/20 111/10 116/23
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121/2 121/15 122/9 122/18 125/7
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125/14 126/8 130/14 134/18 134/24
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137/25 145/3 146/10 146/20 148/1
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149/3 149/16 153/21 153/22 170/20
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170/23 172/7 175/6 175/12 177/24
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184/11 184/14 187/3 195/5 196/3
30/12 33/1 33/7 34/25 36/2 36/25 17/24 18/10 22/15 22/16 23/17 27/24
196/16 211/2 211/4 216/25 217/25
37/11 38/23 46/13 53/5 62/14 62/20 28/16 29/17 32/10 34/3 41/22 42/22
218/5 222/3 236/1 238/1 238/9 239/11
69/9 70/3 92/20 117/24 118/23 123/1 45/2 45/6 49/8 56/7 62/9 73/24 73/25
242/19 246/2 248/13 250/21 252/22
159/14 180/10 187/3 200/24 260/18 74/3 74/10 76/13 77/12 90/24 105/10
255/20 255/21 260/8 261/3 261/16
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264/17 264/19 267/17 278/3
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93/15 117/5 135/17 157/10 157/15
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179/15 203/2 258/6 262/9
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247/17 258/4 185/15 214/25 244/25 245/13 247/17
111/23 148/21 270/25 272/22 273/18
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281/1
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254/5 268/3 280/14
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43/1 43/24 57/8 64/21 88/21 90/15
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107/13 107/18 113/19 141/14 145/17
11/16 11/21 54/7 141/14 149/14 277/23
171/6 180/21 227/6 227/11 236/10
167/10 168/20 168/21 227/11 239/8 mostly [2] 40/19 263/20
237/20 243/21 244/10 256/22 276/7
246/16 246/17 mother [2] 126/7 209/25
280/18 281/15
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242/20 242/23
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42/12 42/21 49/22 52/20 53/3 54/15
misconduct [1] 130/13 103/2 103/3 109/23 109/24 110/5
64/19 72/23 81/14 96/13 97/18 136/13
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140/15 141/18 142/6 142/15 143/6
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145/13 147/25 149/17 154/10 154/12
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158/11 209/8 278/19
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12/6 12/19 12/25 14/24 15/2 15/3 15/5
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16/20 16/22 18/19 21/2 42/24 47/5
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49/11 52/12 54/14 64/20 68/16 74/15
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91/18 93/11 113/24 116/1 121/5 141/5
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141/5 141/15 142/1 146/21 146/22
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147/3 148/18 151/7 153/11 159/14
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164/16 168/7 168/14 169/19 171/15
Mitchell [1] 266/9 223/2 226/14 227/1 231/3 234/15
172/7 172/8 188/8 189/1 190/16
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236/25 237/14 237/19 239/17 280/21
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mode [1] 268/9 281/3 281/6
memory [2] 175/3 175/8
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men [1] 200/15
34/9 motivate [1] 23/19
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models [1] 26/23 Motorola [1] 262/18
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136/15 145/17 176/14 198/14 209/23
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269/19
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226/13 226/23 227/14 131/11 132/17 132/24 132/25 133/7
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Mr. Kittle [1] 16/23 143/1 143/7 143/14 143/18 144/1
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Mr. Le [1] 268/23 154/16 155/3 155/21 210/5 210/8
179/23 194/23 194/25 207/10 211/21
Mr. Lindsey [13] 6/9 43/3 43/9 61/14 210/20 210/24
222/14 234/16 240/8 256/14 275/15
64/23 65/4 65/5 65/11 65/13 69/15 Ms. Hollis's [2] 210/1 210/6
moved [33] 10/23 11/1 19/1 76/18
77/25 84/16 120/13 Ms. Hudson [2] 98/17 99/10
81/23 82/2 82/4 82/22 90/2 96/10
Mr. Mashburn [10] 6/8 54/15 64/15 Ms. Jackson [1] 234/9
119/3 119/7 119/25 121/6 121/12
78/1 97/20 99/15 103/25 115/21 182/6 Ms. Koth [10] 98/20 104/3 160/8 170/2
133/20 138/8 197/15 200/24 204/2
242/15 187/16 194/5 196/19 208/8 212/20
206/6 206/9 207/16 210/17 212/6
Mr. McGowan [1] 99/5 222/4
216/24 217/4 234/22 235/8 257/16
Mr. Metz [2] 264/5 267/16 Ms. Marlow [1] 177/2
273/2 277/13 281/4
Mr. Miller [1] 122/10 Ms. Page [4] 208/15 209/5 209/7 209/9
moves [4] 132/4 133/1 217/7 257/10
Mr. Murphy [2] 213/16 216/19 Ms. Page's [2] 208/17 208/23
movie [4] 241/19 241/20 241/22 242/4
Mr. Nally [1] 267/18 Ms. Price [3] 220/5 220/15 220/19
moving [12] 7/2 20/18 22/14 30/5 43/7
Mr. Palmer [1] 196/24 Ms. Price's [1] 220/21
47/23 51/19 139/15 182/10 200/21
Mr. Quinn [1] 242/8 Ms. Rouse [1] 216/12
258/17 275/25
Mr. Reed [2] 122/16 126/3 Ms. Story [1] 216/12
Mr [54] 2/2 2/3 2/5 2/12 10/23 16/8
Mr. Riggins [1] 272/4 Ms. Walker [2] 221/1 221/3
20/15 24/3 27/7 40/21 41/12 42/7 45/4
Mr. Schneider [1] 242/7 Ms. Walker's [2] 221/7 222/7
45/18 46/8 57/16 61/2 61/11 62/20
Mr. Story [1] 216/13 Ms. Wilson [2] 164/9 172/9
64/3 65/17 68/10 78/10 85/18 85/19
Mr. Walters [1] 264/3 much [36] 4/14 6/8 7/24 17/4 27/20
86/2 89/16 93/16 101/1 107/16 110/15
Mrs [1] 2/4 27/24 34/18 34/24 36/3 38/7 44/13
114/6 116/20 117/5 120/15 121/5
Mrs. [6] 99/1 142/10 142/13 219/25 51/1 63/4 66/10 74/4 94/12 121/24
122/18 124/15 125/13 127/16 129/12
264/21 264/25 123/18 127/13 166/17 171/2 207/8
134/2 140/22 164/10 164/15 181/19
Mrs. Cotton [2] 142/10 142/13 239/4 242/6 242/19 245/17 246/13
182/13 185/4 204/21 238/6 245/17
Mrs. Davis [2] 264/21 264/25 249/13 250/12 253/3 258/18 264/13
258/2 258/20 264/7
Mrs. Hudson [1] 99/1 272/2 274/3 276/2 280/15
Mr. [113] 6/8 6/9 11/5 11/11 11/24
Mrs. Koth [1] 219/25 Mueller [1] 247/13
16/23 16/23 19/8 22/19 25/10 25/16
Ms [25] 78/5 89/6 95/18 105/13 105/21 Mules [2] 241/19 244/10
35/3 37/21 41/3 42/1 42/8 42/16 43/3
106/1 106/7 110/17 114/8 140/4 142/5 multiple [9] 55/9 83/8 83/10 110/25
43/9 43/14 54/15 54/17 57/24 60/3
142/23 142/24 142/25 143/2 143/11 171/12 197/7 221/4 257/7 266/11
61/10 61/14 64/15 64/23 65/4 65/5
143/20 156/21 172/13 174/9 176/22 multitude [1] 266/16
65/11 65/13 68/24 69/15 77/25 78/1
196/3 221/3 253/1 258/19 municipal [13] 123/11 175/19 175/23
79/21 84/16 84/19 84/20 84/21 90/24
Ms. [87] 6/9 22/8 22/21 54/18 58/8 223/10 224/25 226/15 227/2 227/15
90/25 92/11 92/12 92/13 93/23 94/5
60/1 78/4 98/17 98/20 99/10 104/3 228/1 228/6 231/4 231/15 231/21
95/6 96/7 97/20 99/5 99/15 103/25
104/23 105/2 105/5 105/18 120/12 municipality [1] 228/17
112/8 115/21 120/13 120/17 122/10
134/24 135/15 140/24 142/12 142/13 Murdoch [1] 225/21
122/16 122/16 126/3 128/15 134/20
142/21 143/1 143/2 143/7 143/14 Murphy [5] 213/11 213/16 215/9 216/8
137/15 138/1 138/19 142/2 158/13
143/18 144/1 154/16 155/3 155/21 216/19
171/6 171/15 172/6 173/6 177/17
158/13 160/8 164/9 170/2 172/9 177/2 must [10] 17/19 36/6 55/16 98/11
182/6 186/20 194/21 196/14 196/24
187/16 190/14 194/5 196/19 200/10 112/5 139/10 242/16 242/17 249/22
213/16 216/12 216/13 216/19 216/24
201/22 208/8 208/15 208/17 208/23 251/21
229/18 229/23 230/3 230/5 230/8
209/5 209/7 209/9 210/1 210/5 210/6 mute [1] 110/8
230/11 230/13 230/17 233/4 233/8
210/8 210/20 210/24 212/20 214/3 my [129] 4/10 4/10 4/16 5/6 5/17 6/17
236/25 239/16 240/5 240/11 242/7
214/10 214/14 214/17 216/12 216/12 7/23 8/6 8/6 8/10 8/13 10/15 12/12
242/8 242/15 246/14 248/10 255/18
216/18 216/19 220/5 220/15 220/19 19/23 23/13 27/7 28/1 28/8 31/7 31/17
257/2 264/3 264/5 267/16 267/18
220/21 221/1 221/3 221/7 221/7 222/4 35/4 38/18 40/25 41/16 44/16 44/22
268/23 272/4 272/8 276/17
222/7 222/8 227/9 229/18 230/3 230/7 45/24 49/14 53/22 53/23 55/15 56/14
Mr. Balbona [2] 246/14 248/10
230/13 232/5 234/9 248/11 250/13 61/2 61/9 63/21 64/4 65/18 65/21 66/1
Mr. Barnes [2] 233/4 233/8
250/15 267/14 68/24 72/21 72/23 72/25 75/25 77/12
Mr. Burns [1] 134/20
Ms. Adams [1] 250/13 82/7 82/7 82/8 85/23 86/11 86/20
Mr. Chair [6] 11/5 25/16 43/14 120/17
Ms. Albright [4] 104/23 105/2 105/5 86/21 86/23 88/5 88/12 94/5 94/8 95/6
138/19 186/20
105/18 96/2 97/14 101/4 102/12 103/22 104/1
Mr. Chairman [28] 11/11 35/3 37/21
Ms. Bobbie [2] 200/10 201/22 106/14 108/16 111/15 111/16 120/25
54/17 57/24 60/3 61/10 68/24 90/24
Ms. Bryant [2] 214/3 216/19 120/25 121/14 123/13 123/14 123/17
92/11 93/23 95/6 96/7 112/8 122/16
Ms. Causey [1] 232/5 125/4 126/7 126/17 127/2 128/9 130/9
128/15 137/15 138/1 171/6 171/15
Ms. Cotton [1] 158/13 130/13 132/20 133/22 133/23 139/2
172/6 173/6 177/17 194/21 196/14
Ms. Davenport [1] 248/11 145/11 147/8 148/16 149/13 151/18
216/24 236/25 239/16
Ms. Davis [1] 267/14 152/25 153/22 158/6 158/24 169/8
Mr. Clemens [1] 216/12
Ms. Deal [5] 227/9 229/18 230/3 230/7 172/16 175/2 180/1 182/1 182/12
Mr. Cross [4] 90/25 92/12 92/13 94/5
230/13 182/23 184/1 185/11 195/12 203/1
Mr. Day [1] 16/23
Ms. Gale [2] 221/7 222/8 224/20 236/8 239/23 240/2 242/12
Mr. Evans [6] 84/19 84/21 240/5
Ms. Ghazal [10] 6/9 22/8 22/21 54/18 244/5 246/1 246/21 247/5 248/16
240/11 255/18 257/2
58/8 60/1 78/4 120/12 134/24 135/15 249/11 250/18 250/20 255/21 257/17
Mr. Ferguson [1] 272/8
Ms. Gover [1] 190/14 258/14 258/22 264/15 264/17 274/8
Mr. Germany [10] 11/24 19/8 22/19
Ms. Griggs [1] 143/2 274/10 274/14 274/24 276/8
25/10 41/3 42/1 42/16 79/21 84/20
Ms. Hall [1] 250/15 myself [8] 5/8 13/2 16/24 122/11
276/17
Ms. Harper [1] 140/24 133/20 148/24 274/21 274/24
Mr. Germany's [1] 42/8
Ms. Heard [4] 214/10 214/14 214/17 mystery [1] 204/3
Mr. Harper [2] 142/2 158/13
216/18 myth [1] 271/13
Mr. Harvey [8] 229/18 229/23 230/3
N 196/6 196/13 208/6 212/19 219/23 notebooks [1] 48/16
223/3 230/9 232/14 232/15 236/9 noted [2] 193/7 248/20
NAACP [2] 104/9 278/11
236/11 272/25 notes [2] 169/8 221/7
nailed [3] 119/1 119/3 138/10
nice [1] 275/22 nothing [6] 68/19 71/12 100/17 128/2
Nally [8] 264/21 264/24 267/8 267/11
night [5] 81/5 91/18 166/5 245/3 260/13 247/12 253/15
267/12 267/15 267/18 267/19
nine [8] 31/24 85/18 95/24 107/5 notice [11] 81/6 82/25 83/13 109/19
name [29] 67/24 83/12 85/2 89/19
119/20 243/8 254/23 260/5 129/25 134/12 134/13 135/21 201/5
92/20 120/22 120/23 120/25 129/6
no [147] 11/19 11/20 27/16 36/9 37/7 236/2 268/12
145/4 145/9 145/10 145/11 145/11
43/20 45/10 50/22 52/8 58/6 59/16 noticed [1] 81/8
147/20 154/5 200/2 208/11 208/17
59/21 61/21 64/3 66/16 66/16 68/21 notices [2] 82/1 152/23
225/8 239/23 248/16 250/18 258/14
70/23 70/24 70/25 73/23 84/4 85/22 notification [3] 47/18 107/25 193/24
264/17 274/4 274/5 274/14 276/8
90/11 90/12 90/22 92/8 94/22 95/17 notified [6] 91/2 93/16 94/11 197/16
named [3] 172/3 172/4 237/3
97/1 98/18 98/25 99/12 103/5 103/6 197/17 197/19
names [7] 58/14 177/18 229/12 244/19
103/16 104/14 106/13 106/15 107/12 notify [2] 91/4 210/16
244/20 247/12 262/20
110/13 117/5 119/12 119/16 119/17 November [16] 15/7 16/6 16/13 29/17
narrative [1] 57/1
120/5 120/9 120/10 120/15 120/17 29/21 85/24 86/12 86/19 114/10
Nash [1] 167/14
121/10 122/8 122/25 123/4 124/6 153/14 174/14 174/14 175/10 175/13
nation [1] 38/12
124/6 128/1 128/1 128/22 129/2 129/3 175/14 175/17
national [9] 82/17 104/20 167/16 245/2
129/18 132/22 136/11 136/25 137/18 November 2020 [1] 175/10
263/20 263/22 275/15 275/18 279/6
138/16 146/5 149/3 150/9 150/20 November 2021 [1] 175/17
navigate [2] 10/10 250/1
150/20 151/15 157/2 157/8 159/8 November 2022 [1] 16/13
NCOA [7] 82/16 82/16 82/18 83/4
167/7 176/3 176/8 179/20 187/8 November 3 [1] 86/12
256/9 257/2 257/4
189/19 190/18 191/22 194/2 194/12 November of [1] 175/13
near [1] 191/8
194/17 195/22 195/25 196/1 196/11 now [55] 7/1 8/21 15/7 15/9 21/9 25/14
nearly [1] 226/7
198/9 198/12 201/4 201/20 204/11 35/9 35/11 43/17 44/3 49/15 50/18
necessarily [3] 58/24 65/22 173/25
204/19 205/10 205/12 206/15 207/6 75/6 80/25 97/5 101/11 125/22 129/6
necessary [5] 20/5 20/8 21/16 22/5
207/23 207/24 208/3 208/4 209/19 132/24 134/12 135/10 136/17 137/12
49/17
210/4 212/12 212/16 212/17 216/15 137/19 139/6 139/10 152/20 156/3
need [62] 6/25 7/10 7/16 19/14 19/14
216/20 219/16 219/20 219/21 221/10 157/6 166/21 168/2 171/3 171/13
21/3 21/4 21/5 21/6 21/25 22/7 23/21
221/14 222/11 222/21 222/25 223/1 180/18 182/18 187/14 202/16 207/3
27/13 31/3 31/5 31/5 31/11 35/24
224/3 226/18 230/7 230/16 230/22 224/7 224/8 224/9 236/19 239/5 242/3
43/15 43/17 47/13 47/14 49/19 50/13
234/13 234/14 235/12 235/16 235/17 244/7 246/3 246/21 254/21 254/25
51/6 53/14 57/11 61/5 63/1 63/1 69/23
238/17 238/21 238/22 247/12 247/12 256/22 256/23 270/1 272/25 273/11
70/4 78/24 82/7 106/24 106/25 107/1
247/12 253/5 253/5 257/6 261/9 275/4
109/14 117/11 118/6 118/8 134/1
261/19 269/12 280/23 280/23 281/11 nuances [1] 102/14
145/22 147/21 147/22 151/3 153/2
281/12 number [88] 16/11 18/14 30/25 31/1
154/11 154/12 159/22 179/17 186/20
No. [14] 69/19 95/24 96/14 96/22 97/22 35/15 47/1 47/2 70/1 75/1 76/16 76/17
218/9 235/5 239/2 249/11 257/21
97/23 160/3 187/14 194/3 208/6 85/12 86/3 90/4 92/12 95/3 95/4 95/13
258/8 258/9 263/10 270/25 271/2
212/19 219/23 223/3 223/5 95/15 95/18 95/21 95/22 95/23 95/23
needed [11] 19/24 24/22 29/2 36/24
No. 1 [2] 95/24 96/22 96/5 96/5 96/5 96/6 97/23 104/2
105/10 108/3 142/23 166/23 169/5
No. 20 [1] 96/14 110/19 110/19 111/3 111/6 112/3
233/5 247/20
No. 2020-033 [2] 187/14 194/3 112/14 112/15 112/22 112/24 114/21
needs [21] 7/15 19/11 20/2 22/10 27/24
No. 2020-039 [1] 208/6 115/1 115/1 123/10 136/21 158/10
28/6 32/16 34/8 40/10 49/8 57/13
No. 2020-048 [1] 212/19 158/15 166/3 166/3 166/14 166/19
60/19 78/13 79/10 79/13 114/15
No. 2020-123 [1] 97/22 166/20 167/20 167/20 167/22 168/1
147/15 155/14 178/21 217/13 264/1
No. 2020-30 [1] 160/3 189/24 189/24 191/11 191/14 191/14
nefarious [1] 68/19
No. 2020-61 [1] 219/23 192/7 192/17 192/18 192/25 193/1
Negligent [1] 248/9
No. 2020-64 [1] 223/3 193/2 196/4 228/23 237/2 237/7
negotiated [2] 178/18 237/3
No. 2021 [1] 97/23 239/13 240/10 241/5 241/6 243/22
neighbors [1] 272/16
No. 2021-88 [1] 223/5 244/11 244/16 247/1 247/9 254/9
neither [1] 143/12
No. 230 [1] 69/19 254/10 254/15 254/19 256/11 260/8
Nell [1] 199/20
nobody [6] 36/15 36/16 52/23 103/17 260/25 261/4 279/15
net [7] 89/11 89/14 141/21 210/1
149/9 258/7 number 2022-105 [1] 110/19
220/21 221/11 241/9
nomination [2] 43/6 192/24 number 44 [1] 97/23
never [22] 8/20 50/9 50/12 63/17
noncompliance [1] 110/25 number 45 [1] 104/2
126/15 126/16 127/15 131/6 131/6
none [6] 84/25 120/6 175/15 185/24 number 9 [1] 96/6
143/4 143/8 149/5 149/6 154/7 177/6
212/13 222/22 number eight [1] 96/5
198/6 218/4 220/23 239/20 263/1
nonhuman [1] 245/12 number one [1] 260/8
263/2 274/23
nonpartisan [1] 278/14 numbered [1] 177/15
new [24] 12/6 61/18 62/4 69/1 78/25
nonprofit [1] 27/8 numbers [6] 92/2 111/22 174/12
83/20 88/24 92/23 106/4 131/5 131/8
nonprofits [1] 28/13 254/19 254/24 255/11
131/11 133/23 148/8 156/6 173/1
noon [2] 139/4 228/25 numerical [1] 166/1
176/3 176/9 206/21 212/9 227/12
nor [4] 31/13 99/5 143/13 265/1 numerous [2] 15/18 187/22
228/13 247/20 253/13
normal [2] 202/11 203/23
newest [1] 10/14 O
normally [4] 159/14 200/19 201/12
newsletters [1] 259/14
202/12 O.C.G.A [23] 13/13 99/11 111/1 144/19
next [40] 11/22 19/13 19/16 42/13
North [4] 88/6 128/11 209/25 210/2 188/20 190/8 193/22 198/23 210/13
42/25 46/22 57/8 57/18 58/8 58/9
North Jackson [2] 209/25 210/2 214/23 215/10 215/22 221/21 227/18
59/24 60/1 64/21 83/22 83/23 88/21
not [392] 228/4 231/5 233/11 233/20 245/15
90/15 97/5 103/23 112/6 127/7 134/13
note [3] 55/15 236/5 242/14 247/6 265/6 265/23 268/11
135/21 145/5 168/8 168/8 196/3 196/3
O Oh [5] 176/10 204/25 244/5 246/16 169/16 184/18 190/19 191/4 191/6
257/1 248/20 254/21
object [1] 38/11
okay [47] 17/5 18/9 18/11 54/8 55/2 openings [6] 175/2 175/4 180/9 181/11
objection [1] 43/3
55/21 59/8 64/6 78/9 82/6 84/18 90/19 181/13 184/11
objectives [1] 8/5
92/10 103/12 116/18 123/1 123/5 operate [3] 6/25 7/10 7/11
obligation [5] 74/10 132/5 203/4 211/20
125/10 130/5 134/9 137/2 145/6 146/6 operated [1] 8/2
211/24
149/25 150/18 153/10 153/20 157/20 operation [5] 13/17 18/3 167/24 168/5
obligations [2] 74/18 212/8
172/12 178/6 194/8 199/17 199/20 174/21
obscure [2] 259/14 263/19
200/25 202/14 205/23 211/15 217/2 operational [3] 169/12 174/22 249/24
observation [6] 17/2 18/13 19/21 63/5
217/4 230/19 239/15 241/12 241/20 operations [5] 14/22 14/22 16/12 21/6
64/4 151/19
242/4 256/15 257/15 269/11 92/14
observe [6] 17/23 17/24 18/10 167/22
old [6] 131/7 131/17 165/15 201/6 opinion [5] 141/9 146/25 147/8 224/20
188/16 189/6
217/8 274/19 249/11
observed [4] 14/18 14/21 20/2 123/14
Oliver [1] 225/22 opinions [1] 39/19
observers [4] 20/21 276/20 277/1 277/3
on [448] opponent [1] 208/23
observing [3] 16/12 20/1 152/19
on-site [2] 202/15 204/11 opportunity [7] 10/6 41/21 106/10
obtain [1] 243/3
once [8] 12/16 40/18 45/3 65/22 101/2 160/25 164/17 248/14 272/17
obvious [1] 104/11
178/24 222/14 251/12 Oppose [1] 129/2
obviously [9] 13/21 15/8 16/20 17/4
one [175] 4/17 4/20 7/4 8/18 16/10 opposed [25] 11/19 58/5 59/3 90/11
18/18 92/12 103/17 132/24 255/6
20/25 22/19 29/3 30/23 31/2 33/11 96/25 103/5 110/12 119/16 120/9
occasionally [1] 83/9
35/13 37/4 37/5 38/4 38/14 38/17 39/4 138/16 141/11 159/8 183/13 184/21
occasions [1] 9/9
39/6 39/25 40/1 40/9 43/14 43/18 185/17 186/2 187/8 195/25 208/3
occur [1] 243/16
43/20 45/6 50/25 51/15 52/5 52/24 212/16 219/20 222/25 235/16 238/21
occurred [2] 51/5 69/13
54/3 54/21 54/21 55/1 55/10 55/19 281/11
occurrences [1] 162/7
55/20 55/21 56/25 58/9 59/12 59/24 option [2] 141/10 182/16
October [10] 86/14 87/8 87/11 87/14
60/5 60/9 63/10 64/19 65/6 65/8 65/9 options [3] 30/23 43/18 43/20
87/19 88/2 88/5 131/16 213/7 268/1
67/16 68/25 70/13 71/24 73/11 73/12 or [261] 5/1 5/24 7/18 10/12 10/21
October 19th [1] 213/7
73/21 73/24 76/13 81/13 86/3 89/6 12/22 24/24 25/6 25/6 26/11 27/4 27/4
October 2020 [1] 268/1
89/23 89/24 90/4 90/9 90/24 92/12 28/16 29/19 30/25 31/3 31/24 32/9
October 31st [4] 86/14 87/8 87/14 88/5
95/14 95/16 95/18 96/6 99/23 100/5 32/15 32/17 33/1 33/2 33/10 33/17
odd [3] 130/18 143/2 244/1
100/6 100/18 101/4 101/22 103/13 33/18 33/20 34/14 35/20 36/10 37/1
off [19] 31/17 65/20 83/16 83/21 83/24
103/24 103/25 104/1 106/23 109/3 37/17 37/18 38/18 38/21 39/23 40/10
87/25 106/21 106/21 121/15 123/17
112/10 112/11 113/9 116/24 117/18 43/19 44/4 45/1 45/24 46/3 46/12 49/7
139/5 154/6 169/2 187/11 194/18
118/18 122/19 124/25 125/16 126/2 50/20 51/20 52/7 52/13 53/5 53/11
219/1 240/3 241/6 258/11
126/2 129/8 130/15 130/22 132/3 53/24 55/4 56/17 57/13 58/17 59/4
offend [2] 266/20 266/20
134/23 137/20 137/24 139/13 144/17 59/12 60/21 61/16 61/23 62/8 62/22
offense [1] 248/8
146/22 149/3 149/6 153/12 156/23 63/1 64/2 64/12 64/19 65/25 66/1
offer [11] 105/11 106/2 129/23 168/3
157/11 158/10 160/1 160/14 163/6 66/22 67/12 68/5 69/11 69/11 69/25
169/15 170/9 171/8 171/17 185/2
164/25 166/3 168/6 168/19 168/25 70/6 70/6 71/24 71/24 71/24 72/19
252/16 254/1
169/1 169/1 170/21 171/20 172/24 73/4 73/6 73/8 74/7 74/7 74/10 74/23
offered [3] 37/14 243/21 269/7
176/24 177/6 177/7 179/14 180/25 75/3 75/3 75/6 75/23 76/8 76/9 76/9
offering [4] 104/16 109/15 165/6 173/8
184/20 186/15 188/8 190/25 196/6 77/5 77/19 77/21 77/22 77/24 78/18
office [73] 6/24 7/14 11/25 15/16 26/10
196/11 196/13 196/20 196/21 197/21 79/13 82/22 82/24 83/23 83/23 84/8
27/21 28/4 28/14 31/14 31/21 32/7
208/10 209/21 210/18 211/9 214/25 84/9 84/9 84/11 87/13 89/5 89/7 91/9
32/17 32/22 33/13 45/15 47/8 47/22
217/24 217/25 218/1 220/1 220/2 92/7 97/12 97/12 99/1 99/2 99/7 99/13
50/5 50/9 51/17 56/9 56/9 56/18 66/21
223/12 225/4 227/17 235/20 239/20 100/6 100/7 100/7 102/8 104/11
74/6 77/17 79/9 79/9 102/1 102/3
240/9 240/14 240/25 241/16 242/13 104/15 104/16 104/16 104/17 104/18
157/25 158/10 158/20 158/21 159/6
244/1 246/6 257/16 260/8 260/8 104/19 106/21 107/17 108/5 108/7
159/16 160/9 161/14 169/4 179/9
262/16 262/21 263/1 264/15 266/15 108/18 112/10 112/12 112/23 112/24
179/25 180/24 185/6 186/8 187/18
270/18 272/10 273/15 275/7 275/17 116/12 117/21 118/10 122/21 125/6
190/22 192/1 192/24 195/4 195/9
275/21 278/20 125/20 125/21 127/9 131/13 131/19
195/17 197/4 200/22 210/5 212/1
one's [2] 4/19 202/16 133/17 136/9 143/8 143/23 143/23
213/18 214/5 214/9 214/16 217/14
onerous [1] 5/23 143/24 147/16 147/20 148/12 149/16
220/24 221/8 225/17 228/23 230/15
ones [2] 84/24 113/12 153/16 155/8 155/22 157/2 162/21
234/20 234/25 235/2 235/9 236/17
ongoing [1] 15/11 162/22 167/8 167/15 169/4 172/15
237/16 238/13 270/3
online [3] 271/20 277/23 277/24 173/14 174/12 174/14 174/19 175/20
officer [2] 144/25 215/23
only [30] 8/12 8/23 17/25 30/18 35/13 176/9 176/11 176/11 176/12 177/15
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118/17 122/9 130/6 130/15 137/20 188/13 188/15 188/18 189/4 189/5
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147/13 154/23 166/21 203/24 205/2 189/21 189/23 190/21 191/11 191/15
100/8 121/18 126/15 126/18 143/19
228/11 260/9 275/18 279/4 191/25 192/6 192/8 192/12 192/18
143/25 144/2 148/24 148/25 188/14
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189/4 190/24 192/3 203/2 226/2
163/12 174/13 174/16 180/14 182/15 194/6 199/14 200/12 204/7 204/7
226/11 231/7
182/20 184/23 191/8 197/11 201/16 205/14 207/20 210/14 210/20 210/23
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143/25 167/16 169/1 188/15 189/6
169/10 180/16 254/14 228/8 234/11 237/25 246/25 247/8
190/3 193/9 218/11 252/1 265/13
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168/9 168/20 168/21 169/9 169/13 256/19 256/20 256/22 257/10 257/11
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262/12 263/18 264/22 272/15 272/20 pad [2] 168/23 170/22
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46/22 50/18 60/23 62/20 139/18
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169/14 178/18 179/22 180/12 182/4
30/1 34/2 39/17 40/20 44/5 44/14 268/1
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36/9 108/3 108/7 124/12 125/18 part [31] 6/23 17/15 17/16 18/3 25/6
26/13 29/3 32/3 42/24 44/11 46/3
157/16 157/17 210/25 262/10 268/25 27/19 44/18 60/12 61/2 61/7 63/8 64/4
59/12 66/21 67/16 67/16 68/2 68/12
279/17 279/21 64/17 70/14 71/3 91/3 102/8 105/1
68/23 73/12 74/14 75/13 84/4 86/8
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94/25 96/21 98/9 100/14 103/13
80/4 81/5 89/10 99/23 100/8 112/18 148/20 185/11 191/21 201/18 209/24
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189/6 191/12 191/20 205/20 207/5
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207/20 239/2 240/19 243/13 259/17
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261/21 261/22 261/25 262/3 262/4
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265/9 273/5 273/12 275/7
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31/12 62/22 62/23 68/8 68/8 73/18
262/7 266/23
77/5 77/20 77/23 102/15 109/17
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109/20 112/25 118/2 151/10 180/7
153/22 164/25 210/3 243/1 258/3 parts [5] 166/14 166/15 169/18 171/12
180/10 218/8 238/9
277/1 280/4 171/13
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8/18 10/4 10/6 10/6 10/10 10/13 10/16
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49/2 49/3 51/4 53/15 60/12 63/8 64/2
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64/7 66/20 69/15 70/14 80/17 80/18
114/9 114/16 115/12 116/5 161/22 263/13
82/18 84/23 88/7 90/16 90/17 97/2
187/11 187/11 209/5 229/1 229/1 passes [10] 90/13 103/7 110/14 119/18
100/2 136/9 136/10 154/19 155/5
254/3 254/5 281/15 120/11 159/9 182/9 208/5 212/18
164/25 166/2 166/8 167/19 167/20
P.O [1] 225/5 219/22
167/22 169/21 170/4 175/25 185/9
P 112/24 169/3 172/4 177/21 204/23 87/9 87/11 88/3 148/14 191/18 247/3
240/10 241/18 243/16 243/17 247/18 places [17] 4/25 17/11 17/22 30/12
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181/7 202/9 213/24 242/1 114/24 126/21 144/20 163/5 183/2
159/15 179/11 185/8 188/1 245/9
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patches [2] 261/1 262/13
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Patrol [1] 197/3
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83/12 83/14 84/11 93/7 95/16 125/18 238/18 249/21 259/2 275/13
Paul [6] 264/21 264/24 267/8 267/8
139/13 145/14 145/24 147/8 147/20 pledge [3] 4/6 4/8 10/14
267/11 267/15
148/1 148/22 153/24 154/2 156/17 plenty [3] 51/16 279/1 279/2
Paulette [4] 140/5 140/13 141/18 147/5
157/12 204/10 213/6 213/7 213/10 PO [1] 257/23
pause [1] 194/20
213/14 213/22 213/23 214/1 215/2 pocket [3] 151/2 151/3 156/19
pay [8] 19/7 33/11 240/13 248/3 248/5
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261/18 276/20 277/1
219/6 219/7 220/4 220/17 221/10 poi [1] 269/15
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239/9 265/11 268/10 32/21 33/3 33/14 41/6 43/16 44/1
Peach [1] 237/6
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Peggy [1] 197/14
168/11 167/5 173/9 173/10 176/19 183/10
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pending [3] 128/20 186/17 280/21
215/23 273/16 pointing [1] 146/3
people [158] 6/18 9/13 16/11 16/14
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16/22 18/2 18/2 18/14 18/17 19/18
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19/19 21/3 22/3 22/22 22/25 23/10
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31/1 31/24 32/3 32/10 32/11 32/18
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38/16 38/19 38/20 38/20 39/3 39/12
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39/14 39/14 47/18 62/7 62/11 69/2
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70/1 70/10 70/10 70/16 70/24 71/7
226/12 226/14 226/17 226/22 231/14 poll [56] 58/15 58/24 59/6 87/13 98/2
72/6 72/21 73/2 73/2 73/6 73/17 73/20
231/20 98/9 140/23 142/4 142/8 142/15
77/6 77/11 78/25 80/20 81/9 81/23
petitioners' [4] 226/9 227/1 231/3 231/5 142/18 143/11 143/14 143/19 143/25
82/1 82/4 82/5 82/21 83/7 83/8 84/6
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86/8 87/23 98/4 100/13 100/17 102/10
phone [12] 99/9 101/3 110/6 110/9 148/23 148/24 149/5 149/20 153/17
105/4 105/6 105/8 105/18 105/19
142/4 143/9 144/21 149/1 152/21 153/23 154/3 155/9 155/16 168/23
105/22 106/2 106/3 106/6 106/11
152/25 228/23 241/23 168/25 169/6 169/10 170/22 184/20
106/11 106/12 109/13 109/17 112/15
phonetic [1] 208/19 184/20 190/2 190/10 191/2 192/17
112/17 113/10 113/21 115/20 116/4
photo [2] 98/13 229/6 193/9 193/16 193/22 208/19 209/4
118/5 118/12 118/18 118/18 118/20
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119/20 119/21 122/3 123/14 127/6
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130/23 133/8 133/9 133/11 135/11
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145/19 148/8 149/5 150/19 151/20
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152/2 152/8 152/13 152/18 152/18
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153/2 156/12 156/15 179/12 184/24
pick [2] 56/24 165/20 99/10 100/9 100/22 101/7 101/18
201/3 201/14 229/25 234/12 240/8
picked [2] 148/3 166/11 108/3 108/7 114/24 114/24 125/18
241/5 241/7 241/24 242/17 243/19
picking [1] 197/8 125/21 140/10 142/17 143/9 144/20
244/11 245/4 245/6 245/8 246/3
picture [7] 86/23 86/25 99/20 153/4 144/22 144/25 150/2 150/3 150/16
251/18 254/20 255/6 255/25 256/10
158/16 159/11 278/10 151/9 151/17 152/8 152/13 152/16
256/13 256/16 257/14 257/22 257/22
pictured [1] 98/13 152/21 155/18 158/5 160/14 160/21
258/10 265/3 266/25 271/9 271/14
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271/17 271/24 273/1 275/2 275/7
140/15 142/4 142/14 142/17 142/22 162/15 163/5 163/11 169/10 183/1
275/9 275/19 277/16 278/9 279/2
142/25 143/7 143/11 143/19 144/21 184/17 208/7 213/12 213/20 213/24
279/10 280/8
148/25 149/3 153/7 153/9 158/5 214/9 214/13 214/14 214/18 220/9
people's [2] 127/12 276/10
piece [3] 265/20 265/22 266/2 polls [20] 98/4 106/18 107/1 108/18
per [2] 40/2 40/7
pieces [1] 244/11 149/21 152/17 160/15 160/24 161/1
perceived [3] 50/4 50/5 50/6
ping [1] 241/23 163/7 164/24 168/13 169/16 189/16
percent [3] 40/5 40/6 270/23
place [44] 6/22 13/11 28/19 30/4 32/18 190/19 191/4 191/6 191/8 191/23
percentage [1] 270/12
45/23 45/25 51/5 51/6 68/18 69/9 244/21
perception [2] 37/10 126/24
76/19 77/10 99/10 100/9 101/7 101/18 pop [1] 259/15
perfect [3] 179/3 179/3 179/3
108/3 108/7 109/15 114/24 124/16 population [2] 62/15 241/11
perfectly [1] 178/25
125/18 125/21 125/24 126/22 131/3 portion [2] 225/9 232/1
perform [3] 6/4 190/4 193/11
131/9 133/23 140/8 149/24 151/9 pose [3] 29/5 156/24 157/3
performance [15] 3/4 11/23 12/5 12/19
152/8 152/21 155/18 161/2 169/10 posed [2] 231/14 231/20
12/21 13/2 13/11 13/12 14/2 14/3
172/16 176/8 208/7 217/16 249/13 position [2] 99/25 183/16
16/18 16/21 16/23 21/19 233/21
261/4 269/7 possibility [3] 18/20 19/2 78/25
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perhaps [14] 66/20 66/21 75/12 112/19
P pressure [3] 229/21 230/1 232/13 192/4 251/1 269/20
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122/6 122/7 138/23 186/9 211/19
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239/7 241/14 264/11 268/13 276/13
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131/2 236/18 242/23 product [1] 37/12
Post [1] 210/5
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posted [4] 99/20 147/14 188/13 189/4
236/18 professionally [1] 252/17
postelection [1] 14/22
Price [8] 220/2 220/5 220/8 220/13 professionals [1] 167/17
postman [1] 86/20
220/15 220/19 221/3 221/11 professors [1] 263/4
postmarked [1] 55/22
Price's [2] 220/21 221/25 program [2] 261/19 264/9
potential [18] 61/9 74/20 75/9 107/5
pride [1] 165/1 programmer [1] 272/22
108/8 144/3 160/15 161/6 162/24
primaries [4] 215/12 218/23 221/23 programs [1] 260/13
188/19 190/14 198/17 210/12 214/20
243/4 progress [4] 14/9 21/12 21/22 22/4
216/2 221/16 233/9 234/7
primarily [1] 39/20 prohibit [2] 73/9 143/22
potentially [4] 15/2 99/11 183/5 212/24
primary [21] 116/3 116/5 141/23 prohibited [2] 45/11 245/15
poured [1] 134/23
144/24 153/13 160/12 160/19 162/8 project [2] 35/1 78/2
powder [1] 117/7
177/4 212/25 213/5 214/24 215/1 projects [1] 44/15
power [2] 116/24 118/11
215/18 218/21 218/24 218/25 220/15 promise [6] 6/20 7/2 61/9 61/19 125/7
powerful [2] 109/9 109/10
221/5 222/2 254/5 125/9
PR [1] 247/23
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practicable [1] 268/15
printed [4] 114/25 148/13 190/1 208/15 promote [1] 37/12
practical [4] 75/25 76/8 77/18 268/14
printout [2] 156/12 156/13 promoted [1] 246/20
practice [2] 128/8 148/17
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practices [2] 79/25 251/1
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Prado [2] 141/16 144/6
107/13 107/18 115/8 181/12 191/3 prompted [2] 61/23 229/20
prayer [1] 248/20
247/4 259/19 promptly [7] 166/6 168/17 169/14
pre [1] 113/19
prisoners [1] 200/21 170/17 181/4 186/5 207/20
pre-meeting [1] 113/19
private [8] 26/23 38/8 38/16 45/23 promulgate [1] 243/2
precedent [3] 135/4 155/6 280/9
81/21 253/18 253/20 253/24 promulgating [1] 252/8
precinct [38] 29/9 58/19 58/21 59/5
privilege [2] 10/5 255/22 proof [1] 157/22
101/14 130/10 132/10 140/10 146/12
pro [1] 30/24 proper [12] 13/18 53/1 57/17 112/11
147/11 147/19 148/12 150/21 150/25
proactive [1] 170/25 145/16 162/13 163/5 188/22 189/21
156/10 156/17 157/12 160/14 166/3
probably [11] 12/11 25/3 41/18 42/21 213/16 214/3 235/3
166/4 167/19 168/19 168/21 168/24
43/16 51/22 51/22 69/22 83/23 147/6 properly [20] 61/17 137/19 140/6
176/3 180/14 192/15 192/18 192/22
191/17 162/11 164/6 188/8 188/11 188/21
192/25 193/2 197/11 197/15 209/5
probate [3] 198/3 198/19 199/22 188/25 189/3 189/23 192/6 197/23
209/12 215/12 220/10 221/23
problem [23] 29/20 40/2 40/3 61/4 199/2 203/5 215/13 221/24 246/25
precincts [21] 9/25 40/5 40/6 150/22
69/11 108/13 108/16 109/3 111/11 247/8 248/6
161/11 162/1 162/3 163/6 163/11
111/11 114/19 114/19 118/9 125/6 proposal [2] 45/3 97/11
163/18 165/21 165/23 166/19 166/22
129/24 153/15 171/10 172/24 178/23 proposals [1] 64/20
168/9 169/18 170/19 172/23 173/13
178/24 182/25 184/19 273/21 propose [2] 76/10 177/20
174/15 175/11
problematic [4] 17/16 251/17 252/6 proposed [4] 24/8 25/19 194/11 194/15
prefer [1] 265/4
278/3 proposes [1] 182/8
preference [2] 28/1 218/24
problems [11] 7/4 23/15 23/15 171/8 proprietary [1] 245/12
prefilled [2] 223/14 223/20
172/23 179/16 180/4 219/24 255/17 protect [2] 203/20 265/3
prefilled-out [1] 223/20
257/20 258/17 protected [3] 71/19 261/16 279/4
premise [1] 251/20
procedural [1] 103/13 protecting [1] 37/15
prepare [4] 15/12 189/21 252/2 267/5
procedurally [1] 129/14 protective [1] 191/15
prepared [9] 52/15 125/24 166/8
procedure [7] 156/7 191/6 192/12 proud [2] 274/21 274/24
173/11 173/12 173/19 173/19 246/4
202/8 202/11 213/16 214/3 provable [3] 135/13 135/14 135/16
264/10
procedures [2] 193/23 196/7 prove [2] 51/24 52/2
preparing [2] 15/7 98/2
proceed [4] 93/15 181/18 200/7 200/8 proved [1] 257/5
prerogative [1] 138/20
process [74] 5/6 7/22 7/25 8/1 9/7 12/7 provide [10] 20/10 41/21 52/11 62/17
prescribed [1] 268/3
12/12 12/25 13/1 13/9 14/14 14/19 74/22 75/8 75/23 114/7 241/24 265/20
prescribes [2] 242/21 245/11
22/13 23/2 23/11 23/23 24/20 24/24 provided [18] 24/14 88/9 88/14 106/5
present [16] 2/8 46/2 58/18 108/25
29/13 29/18 31/6 32/4 36/2 36/20 41/1 143/13 180/24 184/9 184/15 188/23
113/20 133/17 142/3 144/25 159/19
47/4 53/13 53/14 53/15 53/16 58/14 191/21 214/13 227/10 233/3 233/7
178/3 182/12 189/19 215/11 221/22
62/9 62/19 64/7 66/24 76/6 78/15 233/16 237/19 248/5 261/14
264/10 271/24
83/17 91/3 91/7 93/16 97/18 128/3 provides [1] 78/19
presentation [4] 37/23 178/15 179/3
162/3 162/11 164/1 164/6 176/2 176/7 providing [4] 41/25 212/8 265/25
198/24
176/14 180/14 180/16 180/17 182/4 273/22
presented [5] 177/16 188/24 231/8
182/10 182/19 183/17 183/19 188/1 provision [5] 111/5 111/18 168/15
237/25 264/20
188/4 188/22 190/5 193/12 194/15 265/18 273/7
presenting [4] 37/24 178/16 179/21
202/3 203/3 218/22 219/3 230/14 provisional [14] 58/16 59/3 111/8 161/3
237/1
241/1 241/3 250/1 250/10 251/16 177/1 177/5 177/8 177/14 183/18
presents [1] 183/1
processed [6] 80/23 81/4 83/6 189/11 183/20 183/22 224/8 224/15 228/19
preservation [2] 66/3 198/25
270/6 271/21 provisionally [1] 220/11
preserve [2] 66/18 66/25
processes [13] 6/14 16/9 17/5 17/12 provisions [1] 193/15
president [2] 86/25 266/14
22/23 37/19 56/8 79/17 167/22 190/24 prudent [1] 74/7
presidential [2] 5/7 218/24
P quickly [2] 7/3 35/24 recalling [2] 107/10 107/13
Quinn [3] 242/8 242/9 245/17 recap [1] 192/5
public [21] 6/4 6/7 8/13 8/14 8/14 37/10
quit [1] 51/2 receipt [2] 148/10 156/20
47/24 62/10 71/15 74/12 76/5 77/21
quite [6] 78/22 116/6 117/5 157/18 receive [14] 24/16 32/6 32/8 45/13
80/15 126/14 126/17 126/25 208/24
234/3 244/16 104/16 116/9 163/18 209/16 210/1
239/3 264/15 273/14 280/17
220/3 220/17 225/14 225/19 231/25
publicly [1] 240/23 R received [27] 27/3 29/23 55/9 56/4 70/2
pull [13] 53/11 54/16 66/20 67/18 67/25
R-I-G-G-I-N-S [1] 272/6 87/10 97/25 100/16 110/24 114/12
81/1 85/1 97/21 100/24 102/13 110/18
racial [1] 149/16 114/17 160/17 171/25 173/13 187/20
111/20 254/8
radio [2] 208/23 208/25 190/11 193/17 215/15 219/2 223/13
pulled [5] 99/17 109/5 123/16 148/9
Raffensperger [7] 258/3 262/11 263/14 226/6 228/9 228/24 232/15 236/2
254/17
265/5 265/12 265/24 268/1 247/10 258/25
punch [1] 259/10
raffle [1] 106/21 receives [1] 47/1
punishing [1] 279/9
raise [1] 66/19 receiving [5] 45/12 104/16 104/17
purchase [1] 247/20
raised [5] 45/22 117/11 125/15 188/2 162/13 246/22
purchasing [2] 209/1 247/22
263/16 recently [2] 121/20 246/19
purged [1] 277/14
raises [2] 66/13 70/3 receptive [1] 20/10
purity [1] 243/3
ran [2] 121/20 208/22 recipient [1] 35/19
purporting [1] 61/7
Randolph [7] 223/7 225/1 226/6 228/15 recognize [3] 23/20 129/13 184/16
purpose [10] 25/1 25/5 38/9 44/19 45/9
233/22 279/18 279/22 recognizes [1] 180/3
52/17 67/8 94/16 112/13 129/21
random [1] 166/19 recommend [4] 36/8 46/5 64/12 237/16
purposes [4] 73/3 133/13 143/25
Randy [1] 208/13 recommendation [33] 19/23 32/6 41/8
153/22
rang [1] 86/20 42/14 42/25 45/1 52/7 52/8 64/8 67/15
pursual [1] 264/2
rata [1] 30/24 89/4 97/9 100/21 106/15 107/4 117/19
pursuant [5] 111/1 228/2 231/5 231/13
rather [3] 57/18 69/9 218/7 119/5 119/6 137/17 138/9 154/18
231/19
rationale [2] 151/12 151/14 155/11 159/17 167/23 195/1 195/3
push [1] 106/10
RAY [1] 1/23 195/16 216/9 216/23 222/4 229/19
pushing [1] 126/25
re [1] 104/12 234/23 237/23
put [42] 6/22 13/11 26/22 28/18 30/3
re-enforce [1] 104/12 recommendations [25] 14/1 25/12
32/18 38/3 55/15 55/15 66/23 68/14
reach [4] 15/14 74/19 130/3 278/25 40/24 48/17 60/13 61/5 63/8 64/16
75/11 75/15 79/1 90/14 93/7 109/19
reached [3] 74/25 75/2 280/23 64/25 70/4 95/7 96/3 96/19 97/3
116/9 124/22 129/25 147/15 150/8
read [18] 9/24 9/24 52/9 52/10 52/23 115/22 118/22 121/9 138/18 194/23
151/4 151/6 151/25 152/3 153/2
53/4 67/5 126/9 148/20 155/10 229/22 207/11 207/17 222/15 234/17 249/2
156/18 156/18 157/15 218/8 219/1
233/5 238/11 240/24 248/21 260/8 249/2
237/21 242/11 244/22 261/1 262/13
261/6 274/10 recommended [3] 24/25 194/3 216/5
262/15 264/1 271/12 276/24 277/24
readable [1] 245/12 reconcile [1] 192/6
puts [1] 181/13
readily [1] 114/16 reconciled [1] 189/23
putting [10] 22/2 68/16 80/3 80/4 84/20
reading [2] 56/14 122/19 reconciliation [2] 15/25 188/17
86/17 86/18 88/11 134/13 151/1
ready [12] 21/9 43/23 121/3 129/11 reconvene [1] 187/10
puzzled [2] 200/13 200/14
133/21 165/19 165/25 166/11 166/25 record [22] 81/4 83/14 92/19 94/16
Q 173/18 236/22 274/1 108/10 121/16 129/14 131/16 139/5
real [7] 27/12 71/3 126/4 166/20 156/14 181/13 183/10 183/13 187/11
qualification [1] 79/4
264/19 268/24 273/21 190/18 190/24 191/23 192/4 205/11
qualified [3] 75/20 273/3 273/6
realistic [4] 112/12 112/24 117/22 221/10 247/10 267/2
quality [1] 115/7
117/24 recorded [2] 87/24 266/25
Quantico [1] 259/6
realize [2] 152/2 201/8 recording [1] 143/24
quantifying [1] 271/16
realizing [1] 274/16 recordings [1] 67/21
quantity [1] 166/16
really [49] 8/24 18/13 22/14 25/23 28/6 records [37] 70/20 70/21 71/5 80/14
quarter [1] 139/4
28/23 30/3 30/6 31/1 32/12 32/23 80/14 80/16 85/21 149/13 176/18
quarters [1] 131/5
33/12 34/11 34/23 53/18 57/6 76/14 189/22 190/19 191/23 196/18 196/22
question [60] 12/10 17/17 18/7 25/3
77/12 78/12 111/13 114/9 114/19 196/25 197/2 197/24 197/25 198/5
33/22 40/25 53/18 55/5 55/6 55/13
114/23 115/12 115/15 122/6 127/11 198/7 198/10 199/10 200/12 202/10
56/2 66/13 66/25 67/9 67/11 69/18
127/11 135/17 152/10 172/24 179/13 203/2 203/8 203/12 203/13 203/13
72/8 72/16 73/4 73/11 73/12 93/23
201/5 206/14 232/16 238/10 254/7 203/17 203/20 204/14 205/8 205/13
94/5 94/8 108/5 108/6 115/13 116/20
255/20 257/9 258/1 258/8 258/9 263/6 207/13 243/22 247/5
121/25 122/15 122/16 122/18 123/7
269/22 272/19 275/9 275/9 279/7 recounted [1] 192/12
137/6 151/24 153/12 155/5 155/7
280/11 redacted [3] 247/11 247/13 247/14
157/3 174/2 174/9 174/10 174/25
Reardon [3] 253/1 258/14 258/19 redistricting [1] 15/24
175/1 178/13 185/2 192/24 194/19
reason [19] 5/14 12/15 34/21 84/4 94/8 reduce [1] 113/22
210/22 211/18 214/19 241/18 246/1
99/16 115/6 130/6 135/6 138/24 reduced [2] 44/13 113/17
246/3 261/18 264/22 267/14 268/25
147/13 151/18 156/8 203/19 211/3 Reed [4] 120/25 122/16 122/19 126/3
269/15 278/5
217/12 245/7 265/10 273/6 reel [1] 122/8
questions [29] 6/2 6/5 16/7 22/18 27/3
reasonable [5] 16/3 118/10 118/25 refer [17] 158/9 171/16 172/2 177/22
29/24 41/22 49/24 53/5 53/10 54/6
181/18 241/4 185/5 185/12 195/8 195/17 212/1
112/7 124/16 150/1 153/11 154/14
reasonably [1] 266/1 219/14 222/15 234/18 234/19 234/24
156/23 172/6 172/9 174/18 178/5
reasoning [1] 151/15 235/1 235/8 236/16
185/19 188/3 202/2 207/5 237/13
reasons [7] 12/23 26/2 34/20 147/11 reference [3] 171/20 205/8 231/24
246/12 258/7 263/15
171/16 255/14 257/1 referenced [1] 83/9
quibbling [2] 123/23 125/6
Rebecca [1] 187/20 references [1] 171/21
quick [7] 153/12 263/2 264/19 268/24
recall [3] 107/19 108/24 214/8 referral [2] 97/12 207/11
276/11 276/12 281/5
R rejected [3] 7/17 224/7 228/7 Republic [1] 267/3
related [8] 58/9 109/13 132/2 160/18 Republican [4] 40/5 147/8 187/21
referred [7] 157/24 158/3 158/19
178/2 190/4 193/11 274/6 266/22
158/20 159/15 236/18 259/17
relates [3] 168/9 231/14 231/20 reputation [1] 37/18
referring [5] 143/20 159/3 159/4 180/23
relating [1] 169/24 request [19] 5/16 25/11 56/6 57/21
182/5
relation [1] 85/22 91/22 101/2 121/6 195/10 208/17
reflect [1] 59/4
relationship [4] 23/18 37/9 47/9 48/11 226/1 231/6 233/4 233/14 240/19
reflecting [2] 189/17 189/18
relatively [1] 181/6 247/5 251/2 275/11 275/15 277/3
reflects [3] 42/2 116/17 116/17
released [1] 243/7 requested [11] 14/17 96/14 220/6
refocus [1] 251/25
reluctant [1] 181/24 220/15 220/21 220/22 225/25 226/12
refresh [1] 200/11
rely [2] 75/16 92/20 226/22 227/25 261/1
refuse [1] 36/25
relying [1] 183/13 requesting [2] 226/7 226/11
refused [1] 223/25
remain [2] 133/18 161/21 require [6] 18/13 26/16 77/19 77/19
regard [3] 35/13 165/5 165/10
remaining [5] 15/10 19/17 114/11 77/20 223/23
regarded [1] 108/8
133/16 138/9 required [9] 6/21 26/20 70/19 76/19
regarding [25] 13/16 15/18 20/2 42/16
remarks [1] 26/17 99/25 105/21 190/9 231/12 231/18
60/13 99/3 99/3 99/13 110/25 159/11
remedial [1] 180/6 requirement [11] 8/4 25/11 35/6 62/14
164/17 167/23 176/15 178/1 187/25
remediation [1] 207/12 68/8 69/8 72/20 73/15 112/11 112/14
189/23 197/8 199/9 229/17 237/14
remedy [1] 181/8 113/2
246/21 247/7 248/1 270/4 277/6
remember [9] 92/23 107/16 122/19 requirements [5] 26/20 35/25 61/18
regardless [1] 251/9
122/23 130/19 134/25 175/6 175/11 117/13 189/16
regards [2] 15/24 80/10
248/5 requires [8] 8/16 33/10 117/17 126/19
register [9] 61/22 74/20 75/21 77/22
remind [1] 145/3 164/22 193/15 203/6 265/2
79/4 79/7 82/17 105/4 273/2
reminded [2] 106/20 187/2 requiring [2] 66/7 75/22
register's [1] 79/9
removable [1] 262/1 rescanned [1] 189/25
registered [28] 30/25 58/13 58/23
remove [5] 257/12 272/11 273/8 research [4] 117/23 255/15 263/3
60/24 61/19 63/15 63/19 71/7 71/9
277/16 277/19 280/12
76/23 77/2 77/3 77/9 84/9 84/12 131/4
removed [3] 256/25 273/4 273/10 researching [1] 263/11
183/3 191/15 210/3 210/9 211/24
removing [1] 258/9 reside [1] 131/10
226/4 256/16 257/7 277/14 278/15
rendering [1] 141/8 resided [2] 210/4 210/24
278/18 280/4
renewals [1] 79/3 residence [5] 130/9 131/17 133/13
registering [1] 104/18
repeat [4] 154/12 181/11 200/1 214/24 211/25 279/16
Registers [1] 233/19
repeated [1] 172/14 residency [3] 76/20 77/7 77/8
registrant [1] 61/19
repeatedly [1] 118/8 resident [3] 242/10 279/22 280/3
registrar [25] 78/17 82/7 187/23 188/6
replaced [1] 170/6 residents [1] 226/19
190/2 190/15 193/9 193/14 198/4
report [66] 13/23 16/5 18/5 19/22 21/10 residing [1] 244/24
198/19 199/25 210/16 227/5 227/6
24/4 24/7 25/13 25/15 25/19 26/14 resign [1] 247/15
227/22 229/8 230/20 231/17 232/2
26/21 27/3 27/4 27/5 28/15 28/16 resignation [1] 247/4
232/3 234/11 234/11 258/6 273/18
30/23 31/8 40/24 41/2 41/4 41/7 41/15 resolution [3] 156/25 180/22 235/3
279/18
42/1 42/8 42/18 42/23 43/13 53/1 59/4 resolutions [1] 237/2
registrar's [3] 56/9 225/17 227/10
71/25 72/4 86/5 113/10 116/10 116/11 resolve [3] 97/10 207/21 237/7
registrars [10] 78/19 198/18 198/22
116/21 117/8 117/14 118/2 118/3 resolved [3] 181/2 181/4 186/6
224/1 226/6 227/7 228/22 229/20
118/12 118/18 119/20 127/23 139/25 resource [3] 31/15 31/16 82/11
231/11 234/10
167/4 171/21 174/12 174/24 187/24 resources [24] 6/4 7/2 7/9 18/22 18/23
registration [81] 13/19 58/11 61/16
194/4 210/10 211/12 219/24 236/12 19/25 20/4 20/8 20/12 21/16 22/6
61/20 62/17 63/16 63/23 69/22 70/7
236/13 236/23 237/1 243/8 244/5 26/17 26/24 28/20 28/25 29/1 48/7
70/8 70/19 70/22 71/2 74/13 75/8
247/14 260/6 280/19 280/24 50/8 50/11 100/2 111/21 111/24 112/1
76/16 81/9 82/3 82/9 83/13 84/6 131/6
Report...........................236 [1] 3/5 271/3
132/3 132/6 132/7 133/7 133/14
reported [38] 9/10 98/5 104/4 115/5 respect [18] 9/4 13/15 51/9 71/22 80/1
140/15 141/4 160/11 161/9 161/25
117/9 117/20 118/24 119/21 127/18 88/19 96/20 97/3 117/20 134/22
162/11 163/1 163/9 163/15 164/3
139/12 140/2 140/5 140/14 160/11 137/13 154/20 169/17 169/23 177/21
171/18 175/22 177/10 188/10 189/2
164/24 170/15 178/25 187/22 190/2 178/4 216/22 218/15
189/10 190/8 190/16 190/17 190/21
192/7 196/22 197/6 197/10 197/13 respectfully [4] 121/6 183/23 184/18
190/23 191/25 192/3 192/16 193/13
197/16 198/11 208/10 208/18 208/21 229/8
193/21 210/14 215/8 215/21 216/6
209/2 212/23 220/2 220/5 220/8 225/7 respective [1] 163/6
216/10 216/18 221/17 221/20 226/15
229/11 229/14 236/19 Respectively [1] 267/8
227/2 228/22 231/4 231/15 231/21
reportedly [2] 98/12 189/25 respond [13] 8/18 52/4 83/1 113/22
235/25 241/8 241/9 249/8 249/17
reporting [7] 1/23 26/19 27/10 114/9 139/13 140/3 145/3 173/5 199/12
270/22 271/1 271/1 277/7 277/8
114/21 115/8 243/17 216/14 234/9 247/5 267/17
277/10 277/11 278/13 279/6
reports [14] 46/23 52/11 81/2 98/8 responded [3] 142/14 178/25 264/25
registration-never-never-land [1] 131/6
118/7 223/7 223/17 224/5 243/21 respondent [6] 53/25 97/11 172/1
registrations [6] 69/23 83/7 83/11 83/16
259/14 260/7 262/17 263/19 263/19 172/4 188/25 189/15
105/14 212/8
represent [4] 127/6 133/9 147/9 156/22 respondents [6] 47/21 107/18 107/20
regular [7] 59/2 80/11 91/7 145/23
representation [3] 180/25 188/14 189/5 222/6 237/3 237/12
152/18 202/3 202/8
representational [1] 47/13 responding [1] 38/10
regulation [3] 58/20 76/10 141/12
representative [1] 197/4 response [53] 9/15 9/24 10/1 10/2
regulations [4] 13/20 27/15 176/13
representatives [4] 31/20 31/22 133/9 11/20 40/18 49/9 55/5 58/6 59/21
243/2
207/19 90/12 90/22 94/22 97/1 100/10 103/6
regulatory [2] 66/6 66/22
represented [1] 47/23 103/16 110/13 119/12 119/17 120/5
reimbursement [1] 33/2
reprimand [1] 237/10 120/10 124/10 129/3 180/20 184/1
reject [1] 224/21
R rights [1] 62/19 218/3 220/19 227/8 227/8 230/11
rigorous [1] 23/2 230/18 230/19 232/5 232/6 232/22
response... [27] 185/2 194/12 194/17
Rimmer [5] 140/20 141/6 141/17 144/8 232/25 236/1 244/18 246/11 255/16
195/8 196/1 207/6 207/23 208/4
144/14 260/14 263/8
212/12 212/17 216/15 216/20 219/16
Rimmer's [1] 141/21 sale [1] 131/16
219/21 222/11 222/21 223/1 234/13
ring [1] 122/24 Salesforce [1] 258/6
234/14 235/12 235/17 238/22 247/10
rings [2] 107/21 110/6 Sam [1] 225/22
249/8 267/15 269/10 281/12
rise [1] 267/2 same [38] 15/20 17/2 17/14 18/18
responses [3] 69/5 249/7 256/19
risk [6] 36/1 80/2 80/4 242/13 246/2 23/25 29/25 29/25 34/22 40/6 55/24
responsibilities [4] 12/18 16/25 39/9
246/5 56/12 56/15 62/4 74/21 75/17 83/10
70/6
Robert [1] 197/7 97/17 100/4 102/4 107/15 107/18
responsibility [11] 36/22 36/25 40/23
Robinson [1] 225/22 107/20 117/4 132/4 132/14 157/3
43/4 48/18 79/20 155/8 161/17 165/17
roll [1] 79/16 157/19 192/24 196/4 208/25 211/13
165/24 206/14
rolls [18] 72/7 78/16 78/19 78/21 79/19 212/3 214/24 241/10 243/10 244/8
responsible [6] 38/23 39/2 39/14
80/1 240/3 241/2 241/6 241/7 255/25 271/7 273/13
130/12 168/11 180/17
256/2 257/4 257/13 257/22 257/24 sanction [3] 97/11 129/23 181/5
rest [2] 161/17 274/1
258/6 258/11 Sanders [6] 198/3 198/19 198/23
restore [1] 275/13
Roman [1] 267/2 199/21 202/21 202/21
restricted [1] 174/21
room [18] 1/8 102/6 102/9 140/21 sanitizer [1] 38/12
restrictions [2] 30/4 251/17
144/10 144/15 157/19 200/16 200/24 Sara [9] 2/4 2/11 55/3 90/16 103/8
restroom [2] 198/1 199/6
201/1 201/3 201/11 201/11 206/9 103/9 246/19 246/19 247/7
result [10] 91/9 91/16 161/20 162/21
229/4 245/8 253/10 253/21 Sarah [4] 227/5 232/2 233/19 234/11
167/3 167/25 192/8 193/20 209/14
root [1] 261/9 sat [2] 248/18 253/15
266/3
Rose [1] 216/3 satisfaction [1] 5/5
resulted [2] 215/17 266/4
Ross [1] 216/3 satisfied [4] 91/9 118/14 130/5 157/21
resulting [1] 162/12
Rouse [8] 213/1 213/3 213/6 213/21 Saturdays [1] 250/2
results [2] 112/3 251/11
214/20 215/2 215/24 216/12 sausage [1] 263/25
retained [1] 14/14
Royston [5] 163/1 163/10 163/16 164/4 saw [12] 30/6 55/25 87/7 100/17
retired [4] 4/12 259/13 267/21 267/22
170/5 123/15 146/17 148/5 149/3 150/11
retirement [1] 5/16
Ruby [5] 198/3 198/19 198/23 199/20 150/25 157/13 256/1
returned [5] 191/19 192/17 192/23
199/20 say [116] 8/21 9/8 11/17 14/12 17/21
220/23 228/16
Ruin [3] 168/10 170/19 184/23 18/2 18/9 21/3 21/15 22/5 23/14 23/19
returns [4] 192/10 192/12 192/13
rule [19] 76/3 114/9 115/14 116/2 30/21 32/18 33/1 33/12 34/17 39/15
192/21
127/14 127/15 140/25 144/7 144/13 40/9 51/2 51/3 51/11 51/18 51/20 53/3
revealed [2] 104/14 224/24
155/12 155/17 155/25 155/25 156/4 54/6 56/24 57/4 58/3 67/7 72/24 73/17
review [36] 11/23 12/5 12/14 12/19
158/12 158/14 203/20 255/9 255/9 73/22 75/9 75/24 77/11 78/23 79/2
12/21 13/2 13/11 13/12 14/2 14/3
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14/13 14/16 14/18 15/19 15/23 16/2
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16/9 16/18 16/21 16/23 21/5 21/6
124/8 124/19 130/8 130/13 130/13 114/11 118/1 118/17 119/13 120/7
21/19 26/18 46/18 47/2 59/11 61/25
130/16 160/16 161/13 162/22 163/3 122/2 124/12 125/14 126/17 127/3
76/13 177/9 197/3 231/13 231/19
163/17 187/25 243/2 252/8 252/13 127/4 127/8 127/15 128/24 129/22
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48/21 197/4 221/7 230/23 276/16
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256/13 263/6 264/8 201/19 201/22 205/12 205/15 207/25
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153/13 153/14 167/22 172/15 175/15 218/7 218/21 219/10 219/18 222/23
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242/3 235/14 235/20 238/9 251/14 253/5
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28/10 30/1 33/15 42/17 43/22 55/19
268/14 238/18
55/20 55/21 55/22 57/2 59/22 65/12
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75/6 76/3 84/18 86/1 86/4 91/14 91/20
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92/18 95/3 95/18 96/1 99/15 101/6
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101/9 103/21 121/3 121/17 123/19
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124/2 124/13 127/20 127/25 128/16
11/5 22/21 26/2 37/7 37/8 39/25 42/16 252/9 276/14 276/24
131/20 137/12 138/4 145/2 147/9
42/20 47/21 49/7 50/9 67/25 67/25 scan [1] 150/19
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108/20 117/9 126/3 127/5 134/21 scanner [22] 140/9 140/21 144/9
200/6 204/1 206/17 207/7 216/21
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217/23 219/13 220/5 220/13 220/20
143/17 148/19 149/9 149/10 151/2 150/19 151/4 151/6 152/1 152/3 152/5
234/6 235/7 239/25 242/3 242/16
151/3 151/24 152/20 156/16 172/25 153/3 158/2 158/13 163/20 163/22
242/19 248/21 251/5 251/6 251/18
177/6 180/2 183/15 195/20 198/6 169/8 169/12 170/22
259/8 263/18 263/23 272/24 275/4
208/14 209/8 210/5 214/10 214/17 scanners [1] 191/3
277/21 280/17
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205/17 205/25 206/3 211/2 219/1 239/16 259/11
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219/8 236/9 240/20 241/1 241/4 severe [1] 130/4
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265/14 270/10 270/16 271/9 271/10 192/15 192/22 193/4 193/6 231/11
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271/17 271/24 273/24 275/16 275/25 231/17 266/25
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45/12 61/15 154/21 211/4 240/22 103/10 104/8 104/25 105/9 105/15
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241/3 244/1 253/22 257/13 262/21 105/21 105/24 106/4 106/9 139/17
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44/19 112/16 224/4 239/22 241/19 142/16 142/21 142/24 143/3 143/7
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269/13 143/10 143/12 143/15 143/19 144/9
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170/15 178/25 147/5 147/6 147/6 147/7 147/7 147/7
140/25 144/7 144/13 155/12 155/25
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155/25 156/3 158/11 158/14 189/13
self-report [1] 167/4 150/13 150/15 151/2 151/5 151/9
193/8
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178/25 154/3 154/4 154/12 156/8 156/9
35/22 51/7 57/25 58/1 59/20 59/23
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65/6 65/18 89/21 89/22 89/25 90/1
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94/21 94/24 96/8 96/9 100/3 102/24
83/21 83/24 94/6 100/2 100/3 103/14 177/4 177/5 177/6 177/6 177/6 177/8
102/25 103/25 104/1 107/7 107/8
109/24 111/22 129/16 179/19 195/4 177/14 187/22 200/12 200/19 201/23
110/1 110/2 110/3 112/11 118/1 119/8
211/19 211/21 212/6 212/6 227/19 201/24 203/22 208/12 208/22 209/6
119/9 119/19 120/1 120/2 125/1 125/2
229/20 230/14 277/9 209/23 209/23 210/2 210/4 210/5
125/4 125/11 128/19 129/8 134/15
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138/11 155/20 157/23 158/7 166/13
179/12 185/8 214/11 215/25 220/2 220/4 220/5
169/7 173/9 175/1 185/20 185/21
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186/4 186/23 194/4 194/24 194/25
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197/6 198/1 199/6 207/15 217/3
43/9 179/18 218/5 232/25 241/11 229/22 229/23 230/5 230/6 230/6
222/17 222/18 230/21 234/21 238/14
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238/15 241/13 254/6 267/2 267/5
83/16 85/8 87/4 91/18 100/21 106/21 230/16 230/19 232/7 233/7 233/16
267/6 281/7
106/21 107/6 137/14 146/23 149/9 246/20 247/16 247/20 260/4 262/13
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179/24 223/16 224/5 229/10 229/16 264/22 274/8
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230/21 232/5 256/17 256/18 she's [7] 86/2 101/7 121/17 201/24
96/16 102/22 195/20 195/21 207/17
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212/4 212/6 217/5 234/23 235/8 281/6
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118/19 119/19 218/24 219/3 243/8 sheriff's [2] 227/24 230/15
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Secretary [37] 6/23 11/25 13/23 15/15
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15/17 15/20 18/16 26/10 27/21 28/4
173/12 173/17 173/19 173/20 174/18 214/21 214/23 215/4 215/14 216/4
28/14 31/14 31/21 32/7 32/17 33/13
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47/7 47/22 48/2 48/13 50/5 50/8 50/9
130/2 130/3 249/22 249/22 233/15
50/12 105/11 160/9 160/16 187/18
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190/21 192/1 193/25 197/5 255/2
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260/22 262/11 263/13 270/2
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section [5] 95/8 95/9 96/4 272/11
111/19 42/11 52/16 56/10 58/21 59/1 60/23
280/18
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Section 5 [1] 96/4
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242/22 244/2
38/6 208/24 248/22 147/16 148/11 148/14 148/18 151/16
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243/6 259/19 259/24 261/16 262/23
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263/20 263/22 264/8
186/21 186/22 187/6 253/18 280/20 257/24 266/1 273/4 276/20
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26/4 27/24 28/23 29/17 34/8 44/4 51/7
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57/4 58/16 62/22 65/25 72/7 72/19
195/10 262/5 276/14 shouldn't [12] 56/8 57/10 57/10 74/1
74/21 75/7 75/17 77/24 77/25 81/2
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81/23 83/10 84/4 84/8 90/17 98/10
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100/11 100/12 115/21 123/17 127/22
251/23 shouted [1] 253/21
128/6 132/17 134/3 145/6 146/18
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150/13 150/22 152/1 153/22 154/5
S snuck [1] 274/4 sorry [25] 11/7 11/14 19/9 19/10 19/12
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278/19 278/20
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259/18 261/12 60/3 60/20 63/13 64/1 66/19 75/23
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233/16
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17/20 18/15 18/20 19/17 20/20 23/10 sounds [3] 205/18 242/19 246/2
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24/6 24/13 24/17 24/18 24/20 26/16 source [2] 256/1 269/4
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28/5 29/21 29/24 30/4 30/15 31/2 31/6 sources [2] 27/16 71/16
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32/3 32/18 33/1 33/10 34/8 34/8 35/4 South [1] 229/6
149/7 223/14 223/20 226/25 239/3
37/3 38/13 41/3 41/6 41/25 42/2 42/11 Southwest [1] 209/12
239/6 264/6 265/15
42/20 43/17 47/12 50/14 56/5 56/12 space [5] 46/4 166/17 167/2 168/2
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60/17 66/7 68/8 70/9 72/24 73/14 171/2
26/24 28/20 36/1 135/17 168/4
73/15 75/16 75/23 77/4 77/11 79/14 speak [17] 12/10 34/11 80/5 90/21
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81/7 81/9 86/8 90/15 106/3 107/25 98/23 120/20 136/2 136/5 140/12
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110/7 113/3 113/3 115/7 117/22 118/4 199/13 199/15 203/22 205/21 210/21
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130/6 135/18 135/20 136/15 148/8 222/5 239/12 248/14
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152/17 153/19 154/22 170/4 177/19 speaker [2] 266/13 273/25
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179/10 181/14 186/17 205/20 207/12 speakers [3] 199/16 199/18 274/5
211/4 221/9 260/9
236/16 237/4 239/1 240/11 241/24 speaking [4] 122/10 260/12 264/7
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243/13 244/12 247/11 249/12 250/5 264/15
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253/11 253/12 253/12 253/17 258/5 special [5] 123/11 223/10 224/25 228/1
61/1 63/5 64/3 68/16 70/16 74/19
258/16 258/17 263/9 269/16 269/18 233/24
75/22 93/10 111/3 117/13 183/13
269/24 269/25 270/10 270/14 271/7 specific [20] 8/19 8/23 9/4 41/22 51/1
Simultaneous [2] 199/16 199/18
271/16 271/20 272/13 272/25 51/21 52/12 62/18 69/13 94/25 98/15
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98/11 107/25 143/2 143/9 146/14
38/24 62/14 62/16 64/11 73/4 73/9 207/12 237/14 241/5 241/17
147/22 152/4 200/13 206/22 238/11
73/11 74/5 76/18 76/21 77/21 77/22 specifically [11] 16/15 18/4 107/11
245/1 250/19 250/20 258/4 262/24
84/2 84/10 110/7 117/18 122/20 132/2 132/8 133/1 168/22 188/5 214/9
263/25 274/18 274/19
123/16 124/11 125/21 126/18 130/24 237/5 239/2
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131/22 134/23 172/24 180/3 195/20 specifics [1] 183/17
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123/25 123/25 124/6 124/6 124/9
219/1 234/9 257/10 269/18 274/4 spelled [4] 13/13 34/1 85/7 85/9
124/14 126/6 128/11 131/12 136/25
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151/3 205/6 276/5
203/25 spending [1] 35/23
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72/1 98/11 105/10 129/16 147/16 128/9 130/16 167/20
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150/9 150/13 196/24 217/7 279/16 sphere [1] 275/12
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279/25 spin [1] 31/17
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171/5 171/11 176/20 183/14 203/24
16/17 16/19 17/9 18/23 22/2 23/6 25/8 141/25 142/7 142/12 142/19 143/5
221/3 272/19 273/13
26/4 26/9 26/14 28/16 28/19 44/5 143/8 143/15 208/13 259/25
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44/24 45/16 46/6 46/18 52/1 53/6 54/6 sponsored [1] 104/8
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57/13 60/11 64/8 66/4 66/5 66/6 69/12 spot [4] 80/3 80/5 84/21 237/22
209/22 226/20 253/16
72/12 75/14 75/19 76/8 80/6 100/12 spread [2] 261/25 262/3
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108/24 112/19 112/25 115/23 117/10 spreading [1] 271/15
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127/22 129/15 135/13 135/14 136/14 St. [1] 163/23
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136/18 149/15 149/16 155/24 156/10 St. Stephen [1] 163/23
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206/23 242/14 244/7 257/14 258/5 104/21 141/25 197/23 214/9 214/11
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263/21 264/19 214/14 214/18
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83/11 159/15 238/9 279/24 239/11 242/17
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232/8
270/13 66/2 163/12 164/25 165/2 167/13
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son [4] 86/21 88/5 88/12 257/17 standardization [1] 250/25
116/15 236/14
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132/21 133/4 146/12 149/10 157/8 suggestions [3] 10/22 27/4 28/9
Stanford [1] 263/5
157/11 180/2 187/13 205/17 210/10 suggests [5] 30/17 76/2 121/10 192/2
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211/7 211/19 212/2 228/8 239/1 262/14
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246/24 255/3 257/20 257/22 257/24 suited [1] 27/19
201/5 236/22 253/4 253/7 254/21
271/22 272/24 279/21 280/3 sum [2] 153/22 170/14
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7/11 9/7 10/6 10/7 13/7 13/20 13/24
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13/24 14/4 15/17 15/20 18/17 18/23
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24/13 25/18 25/24 26/11 26/12 26/12
204/19 205/2 191/20 192/14 192/20 193/6 193/16
27/15 27/18 28/13 36/6 37/4 37/18
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41/20 44/15 45/10 47/16 47/25 48/1
story [18] 213/1 213/2 213/4 213/4 superintendent/election [1] 161/18
48/3 48/14 50/9 50/12 63/14 71/4 71/6
213/8 213/8 213/25 213/25 214/21 Superior [8] 161/21 168/12 168/16
75/3 76/22 76/22 76/23 76/24 78/15
214/21 215/4 215/5 215/14 216/4 169/14 225/23 227/14 228/2 230/24
79/16 80/6 80/15 81/24 82/2 82/4 82/6
216/4 216/12 216/13 248/7 supervise [2] 225/3 233/23
82/22 82/22 82/23 82/24 83/4 87/18
Story's [1] 215/14 supervisor [29] 98/6 140/19 142/1
99/2 99/7 103/19 105/18 130/16
straight [2] 26/1 275/25 142/11 145/19 149/8 161/8 161/18
160/17 161/13 162/22 163/3 163/16
straightforward [1] 218/9 170/6 171/22 172/2 172/5 208/13
171/3 190/11 193/18 193/25 197/2
streamed [1] 268/19 212/22 214/7 214/8 216/7 218/1 221/1
197/5 210/14 226/17 239/25 240/21
street [3] 125/22 209/25 210/2 221/18 223/8 224/12 225/2 225/4
241/16 241/25 243/1 243/11 243/20
stressed [1] 145/15 225/11 230/17 233/22 254/10 256/18
244/4 248/19 248/23 251/4 251/24
strictly [1] 141/11 supervisor's [1] 209/3
252/8 252/13 253/8 254/7 255/2 256/6
strings [2] 35/16 36/9 supplemental [2] 58/18 58/21
257/6 257/10 260/3 260/24 264/23
strong [2] 50/3 219/10 supply [1] 160/22
265/3 266/12 266/15 266/19 270/2
strongly [1] 217/12 support [10] 97/9 100/17 105/16 127/2
273/2 273/3 275/3 275/16 279/2 280/2
structure [1] 249/19 128/14 139/9 198/12 209/20 221/15
State's [22] 6/24 11/25 15/16 26/10
struggled [1] 169/2 251/25
27/21 28/4 28/14 31/14 31/21 32/7
struggling [1] 106/4 supported [2] 170/24 195/2
32/17 33/13 47/8 47/22 48/3 50/5 50/8
students [3] 60/15 63/14 63/18 supporting [2] 246/10 278/7
105/12 160/9 187/18 190/22 192/1
study [2] 25/18 25/23 supposed [12] 63/24 66/9 89/4 101/13
stated [18] 38/10 64/24 87/13 104/24
stuff [7] 121/15 123/8 200/21 275/24 118/15 142/22 150/9 151/25 152/2
105/9 105/21 106/1 106/7 156/5 198/4
278/16 280/13 280/13 203/8 203/9 205/16
210/8 229/18 230/3 230/7 230/13
subject [2] 259/4 259/11 supposedly [1] 259/18
232/9 232/17 232/23
subjective [1] 133/14 suppression [3] 108/19 249/13 250/5
statement [3] 193/8 268/12 272/22
submit [4] 42/5 58/16 111/6 196/25 sure [63] 11/10 21/20 22/23 24/20 25/4
statements [1] 161/14
submitted [7] 7/13 213/9 215/5 238/13 28/20 32/4 36/23 46/5 51/25 56/19
states [30] 5/1 5/3 26/5 26/6 26/7 26/13
246/23 247/7 247/16 56/24 61/7 62/24 64/1 66/17 67/14
44/11 81/19 104/11 121/9 133/4
submitting [3] 213/15 214/2 272/24 71/10 71/17 80/7 87/4 87/5 89/17
143/21 223/12 223/25 224/12 226/3
Subparagraph [1] 58/20 93/21 104/4 105/22 106/11 106/12
226/9 230/25 240/8 243/7 244/17
subroutines [1] 245/14 111/16 112/14 122/12 124/19 130/5
244/17 256/15 256/17 257/7 259/22
subscribe [1] 263/19 130/11 131/18 131/21 134/5 134/6
260/22 260/22 260/23 262/4
subscribed [1] 259/13 149/21 165/18 165/18 168/14 180/18
statewide [1] 268/10
subsection [2] 143/22 148/23 203/15 203/16 207/1 218/5 218/10
station [5] 131/19 131/22 208/23
subsequent [4] 172/18 174/13 175/1 234/4 242/24 244/2 250/4 252/2
208/25 209/13
184/11 252/11 253/9 254/1 259/23 277/21
stationary [1] 47/21
substantial [1] 14/9 278/12 278/12 278/22 279/10 280/8
statistics [2] 269/16 269/24
substantiate [1] 162/15 surfacing [1] 245/1
stats [2] 270/5 270/9
substantiated [1] 189/11 surprise [2] 4/15 261/3
status [4] 10/11 12/5 228/20 280/24
substitute [1] 248/1 surprised [1] 37/7
statute [6] 27/17 45/19 46/2 64/18
subtext [1] 37/2 surround [1] 251/1
132/8 133/3
successful [1] 272/12 surrounding [2] 244/9 252/14
statutes [1] 130/16
succinct [2] 239/7 276/12 surveillance [1] 66/10
statutory [3] 168/15 184/13 202/9
such [9] 5/4 13/25 34/10 67/1 124/20 suspect [2] 62/7 245/24
stay [2] 139/24 201/1
173/12 192/25 193/2 193/4 suspicious [1] 67/5
staying [3] 133/23 136/8 241/10
Sueur [1] 268/23 sustain [1] 104/15
step [1] 134/9
sufficiency [2] 48/22 48/24 swapped [2] 162/4 163/24
Stephanie [3] 208/23 209/7 209/8
sufficient [5] 40/8 51/24 178/20 189/14 switch [1] 108/21
Stephen [4] 13/4 13/6 163/23 208/19
193/12 synagogue [1] 45/25
Stephens [20] 187/14 187/21 187/23
suggest [34] 27/18 31/18 56/3 79/12 synchronized [1] 240/7
188/3 188/6 188/9 189/1 189/9 190/7
84/1 127/7 127/9 144/5 144/12 144/18 synthesize [1] 87/21
190/15 190/16 190/20 190/22 191/24
157/25 162/25 163/8 163/14 164/2 system [25] 9/16 44/19 62/8 69/7 71/12
192/2 193/13 193/20 194/9 194/22
183/7 189/15 190/6 193/12 197/22 80/6 81/9 84/15 113/5 165/14 174/12
196/8
198/9 198/21 210/13 213/2 214/22 177/10 203/7 203/16 204/13 240/6
steps [5] 19/13 19/16 170/25 242/24
215/7 215/20 220/12 221/19 233/10 240/12 253/14 255/13 260/10 260/17
252/11
233/18 241/17 241/21 256/7 268/6 268/9 275/5 276/14
STEVEN [1] 1/23
suggested [2] 146/22 276/19 systemic [3] 8/20 171/7 171/10
stick [1] 261/20
suggesting [3] 52/6 117/3 190/22 systems [8] 171/14 243/9 243/10
still [34] 29/4 29/11 40/19 82/24 82/25
S technically [2] 127/1 133/2 35/17 36/13 36/18 38/4 39/18 39/20
technology [2] 10/14 39/10 42/21 44/1 44/16 46/6 49/1 49/17 50/6
systems... [5] 243/11 243/14 243/15
Ted [2] 264/16 268/18 51/25 52/8 52/17 53/13 54/22 55/19
261/7 262/9
telephones [1] 143/24 55/22 57/22 60/8 60/8 60/21 61/1 61/9
T tell [37] 6/1 9/5 9/6 9/17 19/8 19/10 64/3 64/17 66/4 67/2 67/14 67/14
tab [26] 54/22 55/17 58/10 60/7 60/8 19/11 21/10 23/10 24/11 32/12 48/21 68/22 72/24 73/7 73/11 76/8 76/8
65/18 69/20 69/21 78/11 85/18 92/3 53/8 81/12 85/2 121/2 126/8 134/17 76/10 77/14 80/6 80/22 83/3 84/15
92/4 95/23 95/24 96/5 96/6 97/22 147/21 147/23 154/8 154/8 154/10 91/3 95/14 101/9 101/15 101/16
104/2 110/19 110/19 110/21 121/1 154/11 157/1 159/14 168/22 172/17 101/20 111/20 111/24 112/24 114/19
121/2 138/2 138/3 160/4 174/3 175/3 175/7 195/5 205/21 114/25 115/11 122/12 123/9 125/24
TABLE [1] 2/14 252/21 259/7 259/9 263/12 128/20 130/14 130/14 131/3 131/18
tabulation [2] 192/10 196/7 telling [7] 60/15 62/18 150/19 153/2 131/24 132/23 134/4 134/8 134/12
tags [1] 200/18 214/8 218/6 224/6 136/4 136/24 137/2 137/4 137/5 137/5
take [68] 16/7 26/24 28/19 38/16 41/18 tells [3] 111/10 147/15 251/19 145/5 145/6 145/25 146/4 147/10
42/10 42/12 42/12 42/18 42/23 45/16 temporarily [3] 217/7 279/20 279/25 148/13 148/22 149/22 153/13 154/2
45/19 46/7 48/19 53/18 54/20 54/25 temporary [9] 131/4 131/10 131/18 155/2 158/6 165/21 166/19 166/20
55/1 60/11 60/20 60/25 62/13 62/15 132/13 132/23 133/11 211/10 273/11 168/2 168/23 171/3 171/23 178/12
63/3 63/9 65/8 65/15 66/7 78/2 84/13 279/16 178/12 178/22 178/23 180/6 181/17
99/9 100/22 113/1 117/12 130/2 ten [4] 69/21 116/16 138/21 261/8 183/6 183/25 184/1 185/1 200/23
135/18 136/12 136/13 139/2 139/3 tend [1] 8/25 201/9 201/21 211/20 217/23 218/4
139/11 139/18 142/17 143/19 145/5 tends [1] 33/8 222/3 223/4 238/10 240/7 240/8
148/25 149/3 153/4 153/7 153/9 Tennessee [1] 80/21 245/25 246/16 254/10 256/11 257/8
159/20 160/1 164/19 166/17 166/21 terminated [3] 173/21 174/3 174/7 259/22 260/5 260/19 262/10 263/1
170/25 176/7 187/9 187/12 194/5 terms [14] 16/1 18/14 20/6 30/11 34/23 263/12 263/24 264/10 269/15 272/20
202/20 206/13 238/3 238/5 250/4 34/24 66/3 66/5 66/7 66/17 75/4 108/2 272/22
252/10 256/17 274/12 112/13 207/13 theft [1] 266/24
takeaway [1] 26/14 terribly [1] 100/12 their [122] 4/19 6/12 6/16 10/1 10/2
taken [11] 5/19 21/12 56/20 99/20 test [3] 53/15 133/14 178/11 13/10 14/16 14/16 15/8 15/9 15/11
99/23 100/8 157/14 180/6 241/6 tested [1] 261/7 16/9 16/25 19/4 22/25 23/11 24/15
242/23 242/24 testimony [3] 123/19 154/25 269/4 29/7 29/8 32/1 32/9 36/4 37/12 54/6
takes [5] 71/5 82/18 108/4 165/1 180/4 testing [1] 171/4 58/14 60/25 62/19 68/16 68/17 70/22
taking [16] 24/25 68/18 113/7 115/16 text [3] 71/13 75/12 88/12 73/13 76/24 77/7 77/8 78/21 79/17
130/4 135/22 142/13 142/22 143/1 texted [1] 87/1 79/18 79/20 79/20 79/25 80/8 80/8
143/4 143/7 143/10 158/16 159/11 than [38] 5/18 5/19 6/8 7/22 11/9 12/8 82/2 82/25 83/14 84/3 84/3 87/6 87/23
167/2 243/13 22/15 22/16 27/25 40/11 42/22 47/3 90/21 91/5 93/10 93/11 105/7 105/9
talk [18] 21/2 46/17 53/21 60/3 67/3 57/18 64/16 69/10 74/3 75/13 96/21 106/8 111/4 131/2 131/5 131/7 131/8
84/25 86/9 109/5 124/11 137/7 147/18 97/7 111/9 115/4 115/5 115/5 117/8 131/11 132/7 132/16 132/17 133/7
147/18 147/19 159/13 186/10 242/2 134/16 134/18 137/17 155/21 185/11 133/9 136/2 139/14 141/8 148/10
242/19 280/20 214/25 218/7 226/4 226/5 236/14 150/19 151/8 152/4 152/9 152/14
talked [12] 4/18 93/8 93/8 122/2 143/12 247/17 262/21 278/7 280/13 153/2 155/13 156/14 159/19 166/10
149/5 154/7 240/3 241/14 241/16 thank [103] 10/11 11/8 11/13 11/14 167/8 168/19 168/21 174/19 174/20
275/2 276/11 12/2 19/10 20/17 20/22 24/1 24/3 177/20 178/11 183/8 197/18 209/16
talking [19] 18/22 27/22 38/22 49/11 25/16 27/6 36/12 37/21 38/6 40/12 211/24 211/25 211/25 217/8 223/10
71/6 71/7 74/24 94/4 121/14 130/17 40/21 40/21 43/9 43/11 54/8 54/23 224/6 224/7 229/12 229/25 232/24
150/1 151/8 167/10 262/11 270/1 57/15 65/16 66/10 69/14 78/4 84/18 232/24 235/5 240/18 242/18 244/13
277/7 278/4 279/7 280/9 84/20 85/19 90/19 93/1 94/12 95/23 244/19 244/19 247/24 251/25 255/16
tampering [1] 261/15 100/25 103/12 103/21 110/9 110/23 257/4 263/9 263/10 265/1 266/18
tape [9] 65/24 66/12 66/15 67/6 67/9 114/6 118/13 121/3 121/23 121/24 267/7 274/4 277/21 277/21 279/3
67/13 114/25 189/17 254/9 122/12 122/14 128/4 128/13 128/13 279/10
tapes [10] 66/25 67/6 67/8 67/19 67/21 128/16 135/24 137/10 153/20 154/16 them [106] 7/9 7/10 19/6 21/6 21/7
68/1 68/1 68/4 68/7 254/17 157/20 159/24 160/7 164/10 164/16 21/10 21/18 22/24 23/2 23/19 23/19
targeted [1] 72/9 172/20 178/6 178/7 186/12 186/13 23/20 29/18 31/24 31/25 32/4 32/8
tarnish [1] 37/18 199/17 200/6 202/25 207/7 234/3 32/12 48/21 48/25 49/25 50/17 54/25
task [3] 15/8 173/25 248/21 236/24 239/10 239/23 242/5 242/6 55/1 56/24 60/4 60/17 62/17 62/18
tasked [1] 165/24 242/15 245/21 246/13 248/10 248/13 62/18 63/20 63/25 69/3 73/20 74/20
tasks [2] 15/10 15/13 250/11 250/12 252/19 252/21 252/25 75/12 80/3 80/5 81/20 82/2 82/25 83/2
Tatum [1] 141/20 253/2 258/18 258/19 259/5 264/3 83/5 105/11 108/12 108/16 109/19
taught [1] 4/17 264/13 268/18 268/20 268/24 272/2 112/22 116/24 117/15 118/13 118/13
tax [1] 29/10 272/3 274/2 274/3 274/15 276/2 276/3 122/10 123/17 129/25 132/3 133/6
taxing [1] 32/17 280/14 280/15 281/14 133/10 134/13 136/12 137/9 139/18
taxpayer [1] 35/20 thankful [1] 13/9 143/4 143/16 147/10 147/21 147/23
Taylor [1] 208/12 thanks [2] 250/21 268/18 148/15 153/2 156/24 159/14 164/19
TDY [1] 131/23 that [1598] 165/20 165/20 173/1 195/8 197/19
team [14] 8/4 12/19 13/2 13/12 14/2 That' [1] 136/25 202/12 202/20 202/20 203/4 203/5
14/3 14/17 14/18 15/21 16/1 16/18 that'll [1] 28/22 204/16 204/17 204/19 205/14 205/18
16/21 16/23 17/13 that's [162] 5/21 8/19 9/3 10/8 13/20 205/18 215/15 218/4 224/6 236/9
teams [1] 15/16 15/8 16/17 16/21 23/3 23/4 23/4 23/9 236/20 237/21 254/1 258/11 259/20
technical [10] 13/17 35/6 47/12 124/17 23/16 23/23 25/7 25/7 25/13 25/14 259/21 259/22 260/25 265/2 271/18
133/2 134/25 161/1 170/21 184/19 25/16 26/9 26/21 28/8 28/8 28/10 30/2 275/4 275/21 278/13 279/2
211/6 30/11 30/13 31/7 32/15 32/18 32/19 theme [1] 242/11
T 244/23 257/16 270/18 276/15 277/14 those [158] 5/12 6/5 8/9 9/9 9/21 9/24
278/4 11/16 11/19 15/13 17/1 18/2 19/7
themselves [7] 18/6 42/18 63/1 63/2
things [52] 9/20 17/2 18/4 18/9 18/11 19/20 19/24 21/8 21/16 23/14 23/16
257/12 263/8 276/22
20/24 21/16 22/19 30/12 30/13 30/18 23/21 25/22 27/12 28/24 28/25 29/1
then [84] 4/14 8/8 9/11 10/2 17/25
33/2 34/6 34/22 38/17 39/20 44/20 29/25 33/5 34/22 35/14 38/23 45/14
19/20 19/21 21/14 26/18 28/21 39/25
47/13 47/14 48/4 50/16 63/10 68/2 46/2 47/25 48/4 50/20 51/16 52/5 58/2
41/6 41/12 42/3 42/9 42/12 42/18
77/4 107/2 150/22 165/1 167/2 179/23 60/18 63/16 68/24 73/3 73/19 73/19
42/24 44/13 44/25 45/14 51/10 52/4
183/7 184/17 186/15 200/19 201/5 74/8 74/12 74/21 75/7 78/17 80/13
57/7 57/8 58/7 59/6 59/7 59/11 63/23
217/24 224/18 239/2 240/2 240/9 82/20 90/8 92/5 92/6 92/7 93/9 94/9
64/21 67/3 80/22 81/25 82/20 82/23
240/13 240/19 244/12 249/12 253/17 94/9 95/8 96/3 96/25 97/4 103/3 107/1
83/5 83/17 83/20 87/3 87/7 88/16
257/8 264/15 276/11 277/9 278/3 110/10 111/23 111/24 113/21 115/2
94/24 95/15 95/17 97/2 102/4 106/18
278/23 279/8 279/24 115/14 115/23 118/12 118/20 118/20
107/1 108/22 113/10 118/12 118/21
think [253] 7/16 7/18 9/5 9/16 11/5 11/6 119/13 119/20 119/21 119/23 120/6
118/22 136/15 139/18 140/2 144/3
16/2 17/1 17/3 17/14 18/8 18/15 18/24 124/20 128/23 130/12 132/8 132/9
152/22 160/2 161/8 166/3 166/10
19/18 20/5 20/9 21/15 21/23 22/12 132/9 133/4 137/25 138/13 139/19
166/25 177/4 177/9 181/13 183/4
22/15 22/19 23/1 23/23 25/8 25/21 140/16 149/6 159/4 161/6 167/2
197/19 204/10 217/1 218/25 223/14
25/23 26/7 26/13 28/10 28/15 28/17 167/17 168/12 170/18 171/5 171/16
229/9 229/22 240/24 254/10 256/12
28/22 29/3 29/16 29/21 29/23 30/1 176/6 176/7 180/12 183/7 184/22
256/16 257/5 262/23 271/2 277/15
30/2 30/11 30/14 31/9 31/12 31/13 185/24 186/2 187/6 194/1 195/23
278/2
32/10 32/23 33/6 33/8 33/14 34/5 196/9 202/10 204/9 204/12 207/25
there [312]
34/18 34/18 35/5 35/7 35/9 36/3 36/5 208/3 216/2 219/5 219/17 219/20
there's [73] 4/21 7/5 16/20 17/8 20/23
37/13 38/2 38/4 38/14 38/17 39/4 40/7 222/4 222/22 224/17 227/19 234/6
22/24 23/11 24/21 25/3 29/3 29/11
40/8 40/15 41/14 41/17 41/20 41/25 234/12 235/13 235/16 235/22 237/7
29/20 36/20 36/21 50/24 51/7 51/15
42/11 43/8 43/14 43/17 43/19 43/23 237/11 238/17 238/21 239/3 240/16
51/18 52/8 57/12 62/2 65/23 67/3 67/4
45/22 46/8 48/5 48/10 48/25 49/6 49/7 242/16 252/14 252/22 254/12 254/16
73/1 73/23 76/14 77/11 79/24 81/7
51/11 51/21 56/16 60/11 60/19 61/4 254/18 254/23 256/13 256/16 256/16
82/11 82/11 84/4 90/25 94/20 97/8
61/24 62/2 62/3 62/10 62/13 62/21 256/17 260/17 268/25 269/1 273/15
112/7 114/25 123/12 126/22 128/22
63/10 64/18 65/2 66/5 67/14 68/1 68/2 273/20 277/4 277/11 277/19 277/25
132/1 144/12 154/1 157/21 163/14
68/6 70/8 72/12 72/12 72/18 73/2 278/1 278/2 280/22 281/8 281/11
164/2 168/4 168/23 168/24 171/2
73/12 74/4 75/3 75/5 75/11 75/14 though [13] 10/8 12/20 48/13 132/13
177/13 179/15 179/17 180/24 182/14
75/22 76/2 76/14 76/25 77/1 77/10 132/16 151/9 181/8 201/21 206/14
182/17 182/18 184/18 187/5 190/6
77/12 77/15 77/16 78/13 79/14 82/6 223/22 224/20 256/5 266/1
194/19 198/21 203/11 210/12 213/2
84/14 84/15 88/19 89/8 91/24 100/1 thought [21] 24/19 31/17 32/20 37/11
215/7 221/18 234/14 240/12 256/10
100/4 100/9 102/15 106/17 106/23 60/16 60/22 63/18 75/5 102/14 113/16
271/19 273/7
107/23 107/24 108/7 108/13 108/21 116/8 116/19 147/6 148/17 152/4
therefore [4] 58/14 189/7 190/6 251/21
109/10 109/14 111/12 112/4 112/21 156/8 156/19 181/16 219/3 263/7
therein [1] 193/3
112/24 114/3 114/9 114/23 115/6 264/1
these [95] 17/5 18/4 18/9 18/11 20/20
115/20 116/16 116/25 117/2 117/9 thoughts [2] 44/22 263/13
21/3 21/4 21/5 23/19 25/12 25/23
117/16 119/1 126/10 126/25 127/12 thousands [5] 82/3 82/9 245/5 245/6
27/20 30/19 32/25 33/18 37/24 39/12
127/18 127/21 130/14 132/1 133/11 273/20
48/6 48/12 48/16 48/17 49/2 50/4
135/7 135/14 137/20 149/15 152/15 threats [2] 251/7 265/12
51/11 51/11 51/13 51/20 52/5 52/10
152/15 152/16 153/18 155/1 155/3 three [30] 15/14 16/20 17/8 17/25 18/2
52/16 52/23 53/4 53/20 58/24 58/25
155/14 155/15 156/24 157/1 166/20 20/11 21/2 33/11 57/15 71/24 100/6
59/1 60/15 62/1 67/19 68/3 69/25
167/5 167/18 168/6 168/19 169/3 123/24 125/7 149/7 158/15 188/13
71/11 72/5 72/6 72/8 75/7 76/17 87/23
169/24 170/14 170/16 170/19 170/23 197/10 208/21 215/17 219/7 226/5
90/25 105/15 107/18 134/23 139/11
171/20 175/10 176/24 178/14 178/15 239/8 242/1 245/7 251/12 251/22
153/1 159/5 160/19 162/13 171/12
178/17 178/19 178/21 179/1 179/4 252/22 255/2 256/23 276/10
172/14 172/25 176/16 182/19 189/7
179/5 179/8 179/14 179/21 180/20 three days [1] 226/5
189/12 194/5 198/14 201/14 203/2
181/10 181/17 183/9 183/24 184/10 three feet [2] 123/24 125/7
204/7 236/17 237/4 237/16 237/18
184/14 185/6 186/20 194/6 203/6 three weeks [1] 219/7
237/23 239/18 242/20 243/10 243/11
204/22 211/21 218/7 219/3 235/1 threw [1] 260/21
243/15 244/3 248/2 254/19 256/13
235/5 236/15 239/14 240/4 240/22 through [39] 10/13 17/12 25/24 29/14
258/17 269/10 269/25 270/12 270/19
240/24 242/3 242/12 243/19 245/4 33/13 45/8 63/15 70/23 75/5 80/17
270/19 271/4 271/23 273/12 274/17
245/9 253/15 255/9 255/12 259/22 82/10 97/17 109/7 126/9 152/25 161/7
278/9 279/7
260/19 262/5 262/9 263/4 263/22 173/4 182/3 188/22 195/4 198/14
they [353]
264/1 269/3 269/9 269/23 270/8 271/5 203/10 209/21 210/3 214/11 214/16
they'll [1] 157/1
271/23 275/4 275/8 276/23 277/23 223/22 238/1 238/7 242/2 248/18
they're [32] 8/22 34/9 35/20 42/17
280/5 249/3 253/11 253/15 255/22 256/21
48/13 50/21 51/20 61/19 66/9 70/25
thinking [10] 30/3 84/5 114/22 125/12 262/3 266/10 276/7
71/12 77/1 81/22 84/8 90/8 108/13
147/4 148/9 156/6 156/13 180/1 throughout [5] 13/9 38/12 79/16 112/17
131/1 131/6 167/18 201/6 203/8
242/11 249/23
205/14 236/19 237/24 244/2 244/22
thinks [1] 217/11 throw [2] 39/17 223/19
260/9 260/11 262/25 271/5 278/9
third [11] 35/22 51/15 111/9 116/6 Thursday [1] 104/5
278/16
159/11 198/7 200/20 200/22 204/20 thus [1] 61/18
they've [10] 6/7 53/4 53/4 131/2 254/11
254/6 258/1 tie [1] 141/21
256/17 263/3 272/14 277/17 277/17
this [418] tied [2] 169/19 169/20
thing [32] 17/14 30/2 30/8 38/8 43/7
Thomas [2] 104/2 138/2 tight [1] 126/21
57/17 64/1 68/25 73/21 75/23 80/19
Thomasville [1] 104/6 tighten [2] 270/25 271/3
89/9 100/4 101/22 103/13 124/2
Thompson [1] 209/12 till [1] 139/4
124/20 134/4 134/18 135/3 148/16
thorough [4] 13/14 13/21 79/10 249/11 time [84] 5/19 6/8 6/16 9/12 12/2 20/13
156/21 169/25 217/16 217/17 241/12
T 109/12 109/16 109/20 258/21 259/9 199/2 202/5 203/10 203/24 204/7
278/13 278/17 204/16 208/18 218/2 218/23 220/1
time... [78] 21/13 27/19 32/1 43/17
traceable [1] 261/13 220/8 221/13 223/18 224/18 237/9
50/10 55/1 62/12 63/6 70/21 71/5
tracing [1] 203/17 237/10 239/8 240/19 243/5 246/16
73/25 78/23 82/5 86/24 87/2 104/25
track [1] 68/14 246/17 256/22 274/5
106/3 107/25 108/11 109/2 109/15
tracking [3] 188/18 203/17 204/14 two days [1] 223/18
112/17 112/19 124/8 126/13 126/15
train [1] 148/16 two years [3] 202/5 203/10 204/16
127/7 127/16 128/9 130/17 131/11
trained [4] 145/18 145/21 190/3 193/10 twofer [1] 79/6
134/14 134/15 135/21 135/22 139/2
training [14] 57/12 145/16 145/20 Tyler [1] 197/14
139/17 144/2 145/7 155/7 157/10
145/22 145/22 151/19 153/16 153/19 type [5] 25/25 30/2 30/9 176/8 207/12
157/23 160/14 160/21 160/24 161/20
190/11 193/17 193/25 221/4 264/9 typed [3] 225/9 226/11 232/1
163/7 163/12 165/13 167/14 168/19
268/20 types [2] 30/5 34/22
170/18 172/5 174/13 174/16 179/10
transmit [1] 65/2
181/7 182/15 182/20 197/11 200/23 U
transparency [1] 269/23
202/18 210/9 214/25 227/16 230/12
transported [1] 162/4 U.S [3] 266/11 266/17 266/21
238/5 242/1 246/12 252/5 252/19
traveled [2] 167/18 167/19 Uh [1] 103/11
254/23 268/18 268/19 268/20 269/18
treat [3] 62/4 62/23 106/19 Uh-huh [1] 103/11
274/13 277/25
tremendous [1] 178/14 ultimate [2] 39/22 161/17
timeline [2] 12/15 14/7
tried [4] 47/17 105/1 220/4 253/19 ultimately [14] 31/24 32/8 32/9 37/11
timelines [1] 133/19
tries [1] 23/5 39/13 40/23 41/6 112/16 115/20
timely [4] 161/11 165/16 231/12 231/18
tripod [1] 145/6 141/13 151/8 166/5 169/3 221/9
times [12] 17/1 83/8 101/11 145/16
trouble [1] 214/16 unable [7] 111/4 111/10 162/14 167/8
149/8 197/7 217/23 245/8 251/13
troubled [1] 100/10 170/7 209/14 233/5
251/22 253/5 259/12
troubles [2] 38/8 217/25 unanimously [1] 227/18
timing [3] 12/12 87/25 117/13
troubling [2] 99/22 102/13 unannounced [1] 161/2
Tindall [1] 2/4
Troup [13] 139/14 139/23 140/5 140/14 unanswered [1] 49/5
title [1] 24/10
140/19 141/4 141/25 142/7 142/15 unassociated [1] 109/22
Toccoa [1] 128/9
142/19 143/5 145/12 145/13 unaware [3] 156/3 180/8 221/2
today [30] 25/9 42/3 43/24 47/12 48/3
truck [3] 126/9 166/17 166/18 uncertainty [3] 182/14 182/17 182/19
49/24 52/9 54/10 64/10 68/12 92/15
trucks [4] 165/20 166/21 167/1 173/2 unclear [2] 19/3 60/9
204/14 216/13 237/1 240/2 240/18
true [4] 10/8 51/20 124/5 253/6 uncooperative [1] 68/2
242/12 242/15 248/18 248/24 250/21
trust [7] 52/22 128/2 128/3 180/14 under [19] 7/1 36/5 40/23 51/14 58/19
253/11 257/3 259/12 264/9 269/4
182/22 250/9 251/15 75/3 95/9 96/4 101/12 130/10 132/8
274/22 274/23 276/12 276/17
trusted [1] 261/11 133/25 155/5 155/13 177/1 204/8
Todd [8] 223/8 223/13 224/13 224/23
trustworthy [1] 22/23 204/20 245/15 246/23
225/2 225/11 230/18 233/22
truth [3] 60/16 218/6 250/7 undergo [1] 194/15
together [5] 89/18 167/3 244/22 262/16
try [12] 20/4 42/3 44/23 71/11 106/10 undergraduate [2] 4/16 4/17
271/13
106/18 106/19 127/1 135/12 186/11 undermines [2] 250/9 251/15
token [2] 74/21 75/17
202/1 206/11 underneath [1] 18/25
told [30] 4/11 7/9 7/10 9/11 10/7 14/5
trying [25] 23/9 25/5 34/9 37/2 37/16 underscores [1] 68/6
39/8 49/18 53/17 53/23 98/7 121/15
49/15 68/4 71/4 71/18 74/13 74/18 understand [32] 8/3 48/11 50/14 57/11
122/10 142/23 142/24 143/2 143/15
74/19 75/15 75/16 77/1 85/25 86/10 84/14 86/11 87/24 89/2 89/3 94/14
145/18 148/2 148/12 148/15 154/4
91/4 94/15 111/16 126/23 269/24 112/13 112/18 114/13 124/19 127/23
208/19 218/3 218/4 224/1 224/18
270/4 273/5 279/10 133/6 133/24 134/6 134/11 135/19
230/3 244/2 261/16
Tuesday [3] 173/16 230/10 232/8 155/16 155/17 156/15 157/9 157/18
tolerated [1] 218/12
turn [6] 35/5 60/25 63/25 64/14 199/14 164/22 167/6 176/20 181/10 182/2
tone [3] 135/5 135/7 135/8
220/10 184/11 250/4
too [16] 4/11 35/23 74/18 75/11 75/15
turned [4] 13/7 60/18 63/19 274/19 understandable [1] 217/6
84/17 102/13 127/10 134/19 206/21
turnip [1] 126/9 understandably [1] 115/6
208/14 237/25 238/4 240/25 255/24
turnout [2] 123/12 252/3 understanding [6] 8/7 101/4 101/12
280/2
turnover [1] 170/4 153/16 226/10 280/8
took [18] 7/24 65/8 86/23 86/25 89/10
turns [3] 68/15 93/9 125/17 understands [1] 111/14
108/17 125/23 126/21 134/18 140/15
tweak [2] 32/8 61/6 understatement [1] 250/24
142/3 144/21 146/13 150/7 151/5
tweaks [1] 60/14 undertake [1] 21/9
158/5 166/10 203/18
twice [10] 142/23 212/24 213/4 215/18 undertaken [2] 8/11 29/16
tools [1] 81/13
217/11 217/22 218/16 219/7 251/12 undertaking [1] 71/19
top [4] 201/25 223/21 225/9 232/1
256/22 undetectable [3] 260/11 260/12 260/18
topic [1] 255/20
twin [1] 87/4 undue [4] 32/13 162/2 162/12 163/25
total [7] 114/12 115/1 189/24 192/6
two [86] 4/13 4/20 6/2 17/18 30/18 unfair [1] 276/23
192/22 193/1 193/2
30/23 31/20 31/21 37/24 39/15 43/18 unfortunate [1] 183/15
totally [4] 36/19 84/14 118/5 173/4
50/24 60/2 60/4 61/23 61/24 64/19 unfortunately [5] 12/20 14/8 113/9
Tots [2] 108/15 258/22
65/5 68/11 68/24 71/24 72/16 92/11 170/4 272/15
touch [2] 90/16 146/20
93/9 100/6 112/7 117/16 117/17 unfounded [2] 248/25 250/8
touched [1] 81/3
118/21 119/19 119/22 122/3 133/20 unfunded [1] 250/8
towards [3] 47/23 81/25 83/18
134/22 140/17 143/11 149/5 150/2 UNICOM [1] 244/24
town [1] 123/15
150/3 159/5 161/19 161/23 162/3 uniform [3] 66/24 258/9 268/9
Townsend [1] 220/9
163/10 163/11 163/17 164/4 166/3 uniformity [3] 66/16 79/15 258/16
toy [11] 104/24 105/3 106/17 106/24
167/2 168/9 169/18 170/18 175/10 unintended [1] 45/20
107/1 107/11 108/13 108/18 108/20
183/1 183/4 183/7 186/14 188/11 unique [2] 203/23 203/24
108/22 109/1
191/22 196/4 196/22 197/23 198/14 United [4] 5/1 5/2 243/7 244/17
toys [11] 105/1 106/12 108/11 108/15
U 45/16 45/19 46/17 46/18 48/7 48/12 133/3 133/12 165/13 201/22 207/7
48/17 48/21 49/3 49/4 50/4 50/7 51/17 211/4 217/12 219/5 232/8 235/22
units [1] 161/2
52/9 53/8 57/17 60/11 63/7 64/18 66/4 238/8 239/4 239/17 242/4 242/6 245/6
unlawfully [2] 246/22 247/18
66/7 66/19 69/4 74/6 74/8 83/15 104/3 246/13 249/13 250/12 252/7 254/12
unless [3] 36/15 101/19 223/23
109/2 112/22 129/23 130/2 130/4 255/9 255/21 255/23 258/18 262/5
unlike [1] 175/20
134/22 135/1 151/2 154/24 156/23 264/13 268/16 269/13 271/5 272/2
unlocked [2] 204/9 206/16
157/1 159/17 164/22 179/7 179/8 273/20 274/3 276/2 280/15 281/5
unnecessary [2] 35/23 251/16
181/13 184/9 187/5 187/16 196/19 veterans [1] 208/25
unpopular [1] 8/17
210/7 212/20 219/25 223/6 236/20 vetted [1] 259/20
unprotected [1] 261/17
237/19 237/24 238/13 251/19 258/24 VFW [1] 45/25
unproven [1] 251/14
259/7 259/9 263/17 265/14 272/15 via [3] 162/9 164/7 262/1
unqualified [2] 161/4 215/23
275/10 277/23 279/9 279/9 victim [1] 258/1
unquestionably [1] 219/8
US Highway 280 [1] 210/7 video [5] 68/13 205/25 206/3 206/5
unrealistic [1] 111/12
use [34] 11/11 29/7 37/16 45/8 45/9 206/7
unsecured [3] 196/23 197/25 199/5
47/6 71/16 72/21 73/2 73/18 104/3 videographer [1] 239/14
unsubstantiated [2] 162/21 189/8
111/21 118/6 130/9 143/22 156/1 view [5] 42/7 44/16 111/16 127/12
untenable [1] 247/13
162/16 162/17 167/7 201/17 243/10 265/4
until [15] 7/23 16/5 33/23 77/3 88/4
244/16 245/12 257/1 257/3 257/3 viewed [2] 50/20 100/19
131/5 136/5 139/3 169/11 191/8 197/3
258/6 261/11 261/11 265/10 268/8 views [2] 35/4 132/23
199/3 202/23 204/9 209/17
268/14 268/15 275/12 vigilant [1] 78/24
untraceable [1] 262/25
used [27] 24/22 27/13 34/1 34/2 34/4 violate [1] 121/23
unused [1] 199/1
37/12 38/13 38/15 48/2 76/18 98/13 violated [20] 144/7 144/13 144/19
unusual [1] 243/23
126/7 148/8 152/6 156/11 166/15 161/12 163/2 163/10 163/16 164/4
UOCAVA [2] 132/18 132/18
166/18 168/23 169/11 196/25 198/6 190/23 192/3 192/9 198/23 210/13
up [101] 8/24 14/16 17/10 18/19 22/9
198/10 209/24 210/2 240/7 243/25 214/23 215/9 215/22 221/20 233/11
28/23 29/22 31/20 41/18 41/23 42/12
244/4 233/20 247/22
44/24 46/20 49/16 50/12 50/13 56/24
user [1] 81/3 violating [2] 99/1 130/15
65/2 65/11 73/23 80/8 81/19 85/5
using [11] 18/16 48/7 71/1 73/10 99/9 violation [53] 50/22 50/24 51/7 51/10
89/11 93/24 98/23 103/23 111/15
165/13 166/1 176/11 181/7 241/3 51/13 51/14 51/22 51/23 51/24 52/3
115/9 124/21 125/25 128/5 139/15
245/14 52/8 97/9 99/6 99/11 106/15 107/12
139/18 140/12 141/13 147/1 150/1
USPS [2] 82/16 82/19 124/17 127/4 129/22 133/2 135/9
151/1 153/13 153/22 153/24 154/3
usually [3] 92/14 124/20 262/21 137/2 137/8 137/18 138/22 139/7
156/18 160/1 160/23 165/20 166/11
utilize [3] 20/20 45/14 81/13 139/8 139/9 148/5 148/19 148/19
166/17 167/2 180/12 180/25 186/11
utilized [1] 15/15 154/20 155/2 155/11 157/22 158/11
194/5 195/10 197/8 201/24 204/6
utilizing [1] 15/19 158/12 158/14 160/1 162/21 178/20
206/20 217/20 221/5 232/14 238/6
181/2 181/8 188/19 193/21 210/12
239/3 239/5 239/6 239/14 240/6 V 211/7 212/10 216/9 221/15 232/19
241/20 241/21 242/1 243/24 244/8
vacant [1] 257/23 247/6 265/23
244/13 247/25 250/21 254/15 254/22
valid [8] 67/13 87/5 133/4 192/5 211/7 violations [26] 106/13 107/5 139/11
255/6 256/8 258/23 259/11 259/15
229/6 246/9 270/13 144/3 147/24 160/15 161/6 162/24
259/22 262/5 264/1 264/6 270/9
validate [3] 87/15 261/8 261/10 181/12 187/13 189/12 190/14 193/7
270/25 271/3 271/4 271/19 271/23
value [7] 5/4 5/8 5/22 9/3 69/2 180/11 194/3 194/10 195/2 198/13 198/17
273/10 273/17 274/24 276/14 278/20
239/24 209/20 214/20 216/3 216/5 221/16
278/20 278/23 278/23
values [1] 4/19 233/9 234/7 235/19
upcoming [2] 15/12 248/4
Vanessa [2] 142/20 143/15 visit [1] 17/11
update [17] 11/22 12/4 12/8 14/6 70/20
varied [1] 8/6 visited [1] 150/21
71/5 73/24 74/11 116/17 132/5 132/17
variety [2] 8/8 73/3 visual [1] 68/4
133/3 133/7 210/8 211/24 276/16
various [6] 66/10 70/2 160/18 257/1 vital [2] 17/3 32/24
280/22
262/17 266/15 voice [3] 164/11 164/14 279/11
updated [14] 70/22 73/16 78/20 88/25
vehicle [1] 166/24 voices [1] 279/3
113/8 132/7 132/11 133/22 139/21
vehicles [1] 166/12 void [4] 265/2 265/5 265/16 266/8
210/11 240/7 241/2 277/11 277/13
vein [1] 271/7 voided [1] 146/13
updates [3] 58/25 73/13 79/19
vendor [2] 261/2 261/18 volume [2] 114/14 214/17
updating [7] 78/21 80/1 80/25 84/3
venerable [1] 261/25 volunteer [6] 27/19 32/1 32/11 42/22
85/20 130/8 130/12
verbal [1] 121/11 209/13 274/17
upgrades [3] 33/2 34/3 34/4
verifiable [1] 261/13 volunteered [1] 258/22
upload [1] 115/17
verification [4] 78/20 79/3 79/7 188/22 volunteering [1] 43/3
uploading [1] 115/16
verified [2] 223/15 224/14 vote [120] 4/25 26/9 31/1 41/7 43/24
upon [24] 7/15 17/21 19/4 22/1 30/25
verify [4] 213/17 214/4 215/13 229/25 59/2 60/24 61/24 63/15 63/19 63/21
42/9 42/19 52/25 63/7 73/7 76/13
verifying [2] 189/19 224/23 65/2 70/25 71/11 73/7 75/11 75/20
92/20 118/7 130/14 135/15 161/17
versed [1] 239/17 75/22 76/24 77/1 77/9 77/12 77/22
191/14 192/20 231/7 236/8 245/6
version [4] 261/7 261/7 261/17 261/17 79/7 86/13 86/24 87/5 87/8 87/14
266/5 266/6 266/24
versus [2] 123/7 271/13 87/24 88/2 88/5 89/5 89/13 105/4
upward [1] 20/18
very [76] 4/14 5/7 7/24 8/8 10/16 11/12 105/21 105/22 105/23 106/20 108/20
urging [1] 165/7
13/9 14/13 14/14 20/5 20/10 34/11 108/22 109/13 122/21 130/10 131/4
us [102] 4/5 6/12 7/15 9/10 9/11 9/17
34/18 36/2 38/7 40/4 40/16 40/16 132/15 132/16 132/18 132/21 140/8
9/21 10/5 10/10 15/14 16/13 17/8
48/23 49/21 50/25 54/20 56/16 63/22 141/2 141/11 141/17 141/20 144/8
17/11 17/12 19/8 19/10 19/11 20/10
66/10 66/14 79/9 84/21 91/8 92/13 146/14 146/25 147/4 147/9 147/10
20/13 23/1 23/18 24/23 25/7 25/10
94/12 99/21 109/18 114/16 115/11 148/22 151/10 151/20 156/9 157/23
25/11 25/14 31/13 32/2 32/5 32/18
116/23 121/24 126/1 132/8 132/17 162/8 167/8 167/8 170/18 176/24
37/6 38/10 41/25 42/9 42/10 42/19
V 14/20 14/21 62/8 62/12 62/23 73/6 129/16 145/19 253/17 263/12 273/13
73/7 76/16 85/20 95/12 98/4 99/10 wants [10] 22/20 29/7 36/21 38/25
vote... [50] 177/3 180/13 182/15
101/13 101/19 101/24 102/10 104/2 52/23 53/11 77/22 124/11 136/13
182/16 183/9 192/11 192/18 192/23
104/12 104/18 104/19 105/4 105/7 139/13
197/12 198/16 208/20 209/14 213/14
105/9 105/11 105/19 106/8 106/9 Ward [1] 121/21
213/22 214/1 215/15 215/24 215/24
106/25 109/16 115/11 115/15 131/17 warehouse [6] 167/23 168/2 168/5
217/11 217/22 220/4 220/5 220/11
133/8 140/16 140/22 141/19 142/22 170/25 171/2 174/21
220/14 220/17 220/20 221/10 222/1
144/10 144/16 144/23 150/21 152/11 warning [1] 273/23
224/10 224/17 228/8 228/11 235/21
152/11 152/12 152/18 156/6 156/11 warrants [1] 217/9
243/22 249/18 249/20 250/20 251/5
160/13 160/23 160/23 161/3 161/10 was [505]
255/21 255/22 256/16 256/24 257/7
161/16 162/1 162/2 162/3 162/14 was overheard [1] 209/6
257/22 258/12 263/24 267/7 273/17
162/17 162/18 163/5 163/18 163/19 wasn't [17] 4/11 11/15 18/22 59/7 87/2
275/24 277/22
163/25 165/14 165/22 169/22 171/13 113/9 113/23 123/2 127/4 147/7 169/8
voted [37] 5/6 5/11 45/23 55/10 62/5
177/3 180/17 189/18 189/18 189/20 177/14 179/5 179/6 184/8 220/10
62/6 83/7 94/24 123/13 128/20 141/2
190/25 191/12 198/24 209/4 209/12 234/3
141/17 144/8 147/3 148/10 156/14
210/3 210/9 213/9 213/23 213/23 waste [1] 252/4
164/7 193/1 211/5 212/24 213/4 213/6
214/24 215/3 215/6 215/17 216/1 watching [5] 10/13 22/12 22/22 245/6
213/18 214/5 214/12 214/25 215/2
219/7 221/11 226/5 228/8 243/9 250/20
218/15 219/6 224/8 224/13 224/17
247/19 247/21 249/25 250/2 250/5 way [42] 16/10 18/1 24/21 24/25 25/2
235/22 254/20 257/6 257/17 274/18
250/19 251/2 251/15 251/18 254/16 28/22 37/15 37/17 39/17 47/11 49/16
voter [138] 8/1 55/9 55/12 56/4 56/12
255/10 259/8 259/9 259/16 260/16 50/11 51/15 51/21 59/12 82/12 84/5
56/16 58/10 58/13 60/18 61/8 61/9
260/17 261/2 261/7 262/8 275/5 275/5 88/7 99/7 122/9 132/23 139/2 149/23
61/15 61/22 62/17 63/16 63/23 69/21
275/16 275/18 155/10 175/2 180/2 181/3 181/17
69/23 70/6 70/8 70/19 70/22 71/1 72/8
VRE [1] 247/4 185/7 194/19 195/15 206/6 206/8
72/10 72/10 73/13 73/16 73/18 74/11
vulnerabilities [4] 243/8 243/11 259/17 243/18 243/24 258/9 260/3 267/4
74/13 75/8 75/9 78/16 79/1 79/15 80/1
260/10 271/19 271/19 273/24 279/19
80/6 80/18 81/1 81/9 82/3 84/6 85/20
vulnerability [1] 261/23 ways [5] 50/24 134/22 243/14 246/6
87/12 99/8 104/11 104/18 108/9
vulnerable [4] 72/10 72/10 72/11 253/25
108/19 123/11 130/8 130/13 132/3
262/20 we [624]
132/4 132/11 132/13 133/2 133/14
we'd [1] 33/19
140/7 140/20 140/23 141/1 141/2 W we'll [18] 14/10 14/10 18/15 19/19
141/6 141/10 141/17 144/8 144/14
Waffle [1] 275/19 29/16 29/17 30/9 41/8 53/7 54/12 81/6
155/1 155/12 155/20 157/22 158/2
wait [6] 73/22 74/2 128/19 136/10 83/21 83/24 90/14 97/17 97/20 139/3
167/7 170/3 177/10 183/8 183/23
186/4 230/12 194/15
208/19 209/14 211/22 211/23 213/13
waiting [1] 86/21 we're [58] 7/4 17/6 21/20 21/21 23/2
213/18 213/21 214/5 215/2 217/9
walk [4] 114/3 146/16 147/12 157/11 23/9 24/4 39/2 39/16 39/19 42/4 48/7
217/11 218/15 220/8 220/13 221/9
walked [7] 146/11 146/15 146/19 52/1 52/6 53/2 53/17 64/12 68/20 71/6
221/25 223/15 224/16 226/15 227/2
150/10 150/13 150/15 156/9 71/7 77/16 81/14 81/24 83/2 83/20
228/22 231/4 231/15 231/21 231/25
Walker [5] 220/13 221/1 221/3 221/24 84/5 88/20 94/4 95/11 95/11 99/25
235/24 240/3 241/2 241/6 241/7 241/8
278/7 133/12 133/21 134/12 135/2 135/3
241/9 248/22 248/25 249/8 249/13
Walker's [3] 221/7 222/7 278/10 137/3 137/6 137/8 160/1 160/2 179/12
249/17 250/8 250/10 250/19 252/2
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32/22 33/24 34/12 34/14 34/21 37/11
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81/11 114/18 114/20 116/7 150/23
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In The Matter Of:
State Election Board Meeting
September 28, 2022
Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC

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Original File 9-28-22 SOS Board Meeting.prn

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THE OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF STATE
STATE OF GEORGIA
IN THE MATTER OF:

GEORGIA STATE CAPITOL BUILDING

ROOM 341
SEPTEMBER 28, 2022

9:00 A.M.
PRESIDING OFFICER: Mr. William S. Duffey, Jr.

Chair, State Election Board
STEVEN RAY GREEN COURT REPORTING, LLC

Rebecca Barr, CCR
Atlanta, Georgia
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2 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Good morning,
3 everybody. Is this is working? Can you hear
4 me?
6 MR. DUFFEY: Okay. I want to call to
7 order the meeting of the State Election Board
8 on this September 28th of 2022. Thank you for
9 all being here, including those that are
10 watching us by the livestream. As you know,
11 we begin usually with an invocation and a
12 Pledge of Allegiance. And I'm going to do
13 that myself today.
14 Invocations in -- in the various jobs
15 that I've had in public service I think serve
16 the purpose that one, that it ought to reach
17 across all religions and all beliefs. But it
18 is the purpose I think of an invocation is
19 before a meeting especially to make people
20 think is there a higher purpose in our lives.
21 And is there a higher purpose with respect to
22 the -- to the content and -- and the meeting
23 that is being conducted.
24 So I had a chance a couple of years ago
25 to be on the Island of Iona in Scotland. And
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1 there in Scotland when we were walking towards
2 the Bay of Columba. The person who was
3 leading us read us a poem and I'm going to
4 read you that poem. It's by R. S. Thomas. I
5 would ask you to just think about the words.
6 You can view it as a prayer, if you'd like.
7 You can view it as just something that's
8 reflective, if you'd like. It's up to you.
9 But the poem one, is beautifully written.
10 It's R. S. Thomas was probably if you asked
11 him, he considered himself more a poet than a
12 theologian. But he was credentialed as a
13 theologian, as well. And this is the poem:
14 It's called The Bright Field.
15 I've seen the sun break through to
16 illuminate a small field. For a while and
17 gone my way and forgotten it. But that was
18 the pearl of great price. The one field that
19 had treasure in it. I realize now that I must
20 give all that I have to possess it. Life is
21 not hurrying on to a receiving future. Nor
22 hankering after the imagined past. It is the
23 turning aside like Moses to the miracle of the
24 lit bush to a brightness that seemed as
25 transitory as your youth once. But is the
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1 eternity that awaits you.
2 And I think that puts in perspective of
3 the issues that we're going to talk about
4 today. But there -- it is a point in time of
5 our lives, an important time in the history of
6 our state and our country. And that we ought
7 to consider how this point informs both.
8 So with that, if you'll all stand, we'll
9 recite the Pledge of Allegiance.
11 MR. DUFFEY: Be seated please. This is a
12 different sort of meeting by -- for the Board.
13 It was something that occurred to us after our
14 last marathon nine-hour meeting. Where we
15 went over a lot of complaints and made
16 decisions. And I can't -- and I felt as if
17 there was a need for an opportunity to
18 communicate more fundamentally about things
19 that were known to us. That I think are
20 important to be known to you. And that we
21 ought to have a meeting which I have called
22 within -- within the Board in our discussions,
23 a -- a informational meeting.
24 But I want -- but before we do the
25 presentations, I want to first tell you an
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1 incident that had a fundamental impact on me
2 as a lawyer. I've been a lawyer for a long
3 time. But when I was very young, I had a case
4 that taught me two important things which has
5 guided us I think collectively as a Board but
6 has certainly guided me in my life in my
7 public duties.
8 So when I was a very young lawyer, one of
9 the first cases I had was a case in Florida
10 where I was to go down and try the case. I
11 was -- at that time I was trying cases
12 exclusively. And my job was to go down to --
13 to Florida and try this case on the coast. It
14 was a criminal case. I was going to prosecute
15 the case. But I was going to do it in a place
16 where I wasn't living. I was a travelling
17 lawyer. And so I'd go from location to
18 location.
19 And when I got there, I knew enough about
20 the case but when I got there, I talked to not
21 only the defense counsel, but also to the
22 local prosecutor who was helping me and had
23 worked up the case to try. And I was there a
24 week before to get prepared to actually do
25 that. And it was interesting because I had
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1 these two people with two fundamentally
2 different views of the single issue.
3 (Phone ringing)
4 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: They're buying lunch.
5 MR. DUFFEY: In the court I would take
6 that away, but I don't think I can do that in
7 this position. And anybody else who have
8 their phones on, if you would silence that
9 would -- that would be a good idea.
10 So anyway back -- back to Florida. So I
11 have -- I have the defense counsel and I had
12 my local prosecutor who had this fundamentally
13 different view of a particular issue in the
14 case and that was the defendant's alibi. So
15 this was a woman who had been charged with
16 selling quaaludes which was the drug of choice
17 at the time, cocaine and marijuana, fairly
18 significant amounts. We had three counts
19 against her. And one of the counts the
20 defense lawyer had raised an alibi defense.
21 An alibi defense is a -- is a law
22 defense, legal defense, and once it's raised,
23 if there's a credible basis for the alibi,
24 then the government has to prove the element
25 of the offense. Which is they did, in fact,
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1 the defendant was present when the crime was
2 committed and committed the crime. So that's
3 the law.
4 And I realized at that point when I had
5 this contest that I had to always be cognizant
6 that it was -- it was the government's burden
7 of proof to prove that she was present and had
8 the intent to commit the crime. Here was the
9 problem and it was interesting because the
10 prosecutor, the local prosecutor and defense
11 lawyer totally agreed upon this. They said
12 there was a woman, the alibi witness was going
13 to testify that on the date of one of the
14 charges that they were together not where the
15 crime occurred. But in a city that was about
16 an hour and a half away visiting a place in
17 Florida called Wakulla Springs. You've heard
18 of that it's sort of a resort sort of place
19 where people travel for recreational purposes.
20 But it's -- but it's -- I found out it's also
21 a significant wedding venue. A lot of people
22 get married at Wakulla Springs.
23 So I said, I need to know the facts of
24 this case if I have the duty to follow the
25 law. And they said, well, she's very
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1 believable. She tells about the day that they
2 went which was the date in which the drug
3 transaction had occurred. And I said, well, I
4 know that that's your evaluation, but I need -
5 - if I'm -- if I am, in fact, going to think
6 about giving up a count because I believe the
7 alibi witness is telling the truth then I've
8 got to talk to her myself.
9 So we -- so we spent about an hour and a
10 half talking to the most delightful, honest
11 witness that I have ever had in a criminal
12 case that was testifying on behalf of the
13 defendant. But I couldn't understand why
14 because the evidence of her presence was so
15 strong. I couldn't understand why we had this
16 conflicting evidence by somebody that I
17 thought was incredibly believable and was
18 trying to be as honest and forthcoming as she
19 could.
20 So as we neared the end of the interview,
21 I said, well, how -- how do I really know she
22 was there. Not that I didn't believe her, but
23 I just thought that I had to get more detail
24 about the visit. And so I said, tell me about
25 Wakulla Springs. Tell me about the weather.
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1 The weather matched perfectly with the weather
2 information that we had. How long did it take
3 you to get there? She said who drove. She
4 remembered -- she remembered all of that. And
5 then I said, can you describe Wakulla Springs
6 and she -- I hadn't been there, but I had
7 enough information to -- to believe that that
8 was an accurate description.
9 And then she said, and one of the things
10 I really liked was the gazebo. I said, well,
11 tell me about the gazebo. And she said, it's
12 a gazebo. It was white, you know, it's kind
13 of round. And I said, why did that -- why do
14 you remember that? And she said, because of
15 the wedding that was in the gazebo on that
16 weekend. I said, well, tell me about the
17 wedding. She said, God, it was beautiful.
18 The bride had a long white dress. She had
19 flowers that were blue and white. And -- and
20 actually I think she had shoes, and she was
21 taken by the fact that all this matched. Told
22 about the husband, about the groom and what he
23 wore. It was a traditional tux.
24 To me hearing that not only is she
25 credible, but she's got good recollection of
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1 the details of that day. And so I thanked her
2 for coming in. Thanked her for her
3 forthcoming description of everything that had
4 happened. And then we left. And I -- and I
5 told the -- the younger fellow who was helping
6 me, I wasn't all that old, so he was
7 -- actually he might have been older. I said,
8 you know, we need to call the venue to at
9 least confirm that there was a wedding that
10 day.
11 He said, well, that's a good idea. I
12 haven't done that yet. So we got the number
13 for the manager of Wakulla Springs. And asked
14 him was there a wedding. He had a book and
15 said, well, let me check. He went through it.
16 On that date that she said they were there,
17 there was a wedding. And so all of this is,
18 you know, we're trying to be fair and honest
19 in this. But everything is lining up with
20 respect to this alibi. So then I asked him
21 this question: Do you -- is there anybody
22 there that can tell me about the wedding? And
23 he said, well, yes. I said, well, who that
24 is. And he said, well, that's me. I said,
25 well, why do you know about it? He said,
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1 because one, I'm the wedding coordinator. And
2 I'm the florist. So I'm intricately involved
3 in all the details of the wedding.
4 And he said, and this book that I'm
5 reading out of it shows the date of the
6 wedding on the date that you asked about has -
7 - I keep notes about the weddings, because I
8 want to remember. And I said, okay. Well, go
9 to the date that I gave him that she was
10 supposed to have been there. I said, well,
11 tell me about the wedding on that day. And he
12 said, it's really interesting because I
13 remember that really distinctly because it was
14 unusual.
15 And I said, well, what was unusual about
16 it? He said there was -- there were two
17 things that one, as the florist I didn't think
18 was in line with what you should do on a
19 wedding in that -- in that season. And the
20 second was that we didn't often have this.
21 And I said, so what are the two things. He
22 said, one, the bride was getting remarried and
23 refused to wear a long white dress and she
24 wanted a beige cocktail dress. And I said, so
25 what's the other interesting thing? He said,
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1 she insisted even though it was in the Spring
2 of having fall colored flowers to go with her
3 dress. I said, what do you mean by fall
4 colors? Orange, brown, some yellow. And I
5 said, what date was that wedding on? And he
6 gave me the date which was the date that they
7 were supposed to have been there. I said,
8 well, can you look in your book and tell me
9 about a wedding where there was a -- was there
10 a wedding in which a woman wore a long white
11 dress, had blue flowers and might have even
12 worn blue shoes. He said that was the
13 following weekend.
14 Completely honest witness. Simply wrong
15 on the dates. And, in fact, it showed that
16 our evidence was that she had, in fact, been
17 present had no alibi and she was convicted of
18 that offense. And why is that important? I
19 think as a lawyer, and I think as all of us in
20 life should do two things. One is to make
21 sure we understand those things that guide and
22 are required to be followed in an environment.
23 We do that every day. We abide by laws. We
24 know what the laws are. Sometimes we don't
25 strictly abide by the laws because we have
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1 some other motivation. But for the important
2 laws we know what they are, and we abide by
3 them.
4 And then second, the facts always have to
5 show based upon the law that they support the
6 law and the conduct that was abiding by the
7 law or conduct that did not abide by the law.
8 And I say that because this informational
9 meeting is one of our purposes, is to do just
10 that. We want you to know what the law it.
11 And second, we want you to know what facts we
12 know as we struggle with the intersection of
13 the facts that are -- that are really
14 important in this -- in this case having to do
15 with an upcoming election. And frankly having
16 to deal with the past election as they might
17 reflect on the upcoming election.
18 But -- but secondly, to -- to know that
19 when we agreed to do this job, one of the
20 things that we agreed to do, is that we were
21 bound by the law of the State of Georgia. And
22 I -- and I went back and looked at it. We
23 just haven't done a very good job of
24 explaining that. We haven't done a very good
25 job at all about telling you factually
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1 information that might help you understand
2 what it is that we're dealing with.
3 Particularly how these machines work and we're
4 not -- this is not an advocacy event.
5 We're -- we're not bringing in people to
6 say, well, they work this way. No, we don't
7 agree with that. This is just a description
8 and it's the same description that the first
9 thing that I did when I became Chair, is I
10 said, I want to go and see these machines.
11 And I want to look at them. I want to see
12 what they're like and how do they operate. I
13 don't want anybody to tell me about why they
14 don't operate or do operate the way they're
15 supposed to. I just want to understand the
16 system. I want you to understand the system.
17 So that's what we're going to do today.
18 Remembering that the law has to be followed
19 and the facts are important. And -- and I --
20 and what I learned fundamentally from my --
21 from my experience in Florida was this: That
22 in order to find truth, requires objectivity
23 and an open mind and a willingness to change
24 your position one way or the other based upon
25 what the law is and what the facts show.
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1 And so I think the best organizations are
2 one where people are open to information. And
3 only after they get a full understanding of
4 information do they reach a conclusion about
5 what their belief is and what they want -- and
6 what they ultimately want to advocate. And
7 what facts are available to allow them to
8 advocate.
9 So with that, I want to start with the
10 law. Anybody who would like to can go and
11 pull out Title 21. I would -- I would
12 encourage all of you to read Title 21 having
13 to do with elections. That's the Official
14 Code of Georgia, Title 21 which is the title
15 having to do with elections. And read it from
16 the beginning to the end. Because that gives
17 you the legal framework within which laws are
18 conducted in our state as determined by the
19 General Assembly.
20 And so what we're going to do this
21 morning is take those portions of that, is --
22 you know some of that is pretty formulating.
23 It has to do with having to file certain
24 things that are unrelated to the actual
25 conduct of election. But I've asked Matt
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1 Mashburn who was the acting Chair before I
2 became Chair. But has served on this Board --
3 how long?
4 MR. MASHBURN: I'm on two, three years.
5 MR. DUFFEY: Okay. So as the longest
6 serving Board member, does election law work
7 and does a lot of work as a lawyer with having
8 to look at legal documents and I like to make
9 sure that they're done properly. So I have
10 asked him to just summarize for you. And in
11 some cases, the summary is almost verbatim
12 what comes out of the statute so that you can
13 understand the Board. And you can understand
14 the election process. So with that, I turn it
15 over to Matt.
16 MR. MASHBURN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
17 I'm going to move this monitor a little bit
18 this way so that court reporter can actually
19 see my -- me making the words. I think that's
20 helpful rather than me being behind a monitor.
21 So you can't see.
22 MR. DUFFEY: They can't hear you. Can
23 you pull the microphone closer, please?
24 MR. MASHBURN: I don't think -- there we
25 go. Okay. I tried to move it earlier. It's
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1 not on. You might need to turn it on.
2 MR. DUFFEY: Maybe -- well, how do I do
3 that?
4 MR. MASHBURN: There's a --
5 MR. DUFFEY: Are you number one?
7 MR. DUFFEY: You mean I have control over
8 everybody speaking?
9 MR. MASHBURN: Yeah. Power. Test, test,
10 test, test, test, test.
11 MR. DUFFEY: Is that better? Can you
12 hear now? Okay.
13 THE AUDIENCE: A lot better. Thank you.
14 MR. DUFFEY: And in the back can
15 everybody hear in the back?
16 THE AUDIENCE: A little more. Not
17 really. It's a little low.
18 MR. MASHBURN: Test, test, test.
19 THE AUDIENCE: (Inaudible.)
20 MR. DUFFEY: Now try it.
21 MR. MASHBURN: My voice probably picks up
22 volume, as we go along. There we go. I'll
23 back away now.
24 MR. DUFFEY: So now I can -- now I know I
25 can turn the monitor on.
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1 MR. MASHBURN: You've got all kind of
2 power.
3 MR. DUFFEY: I can also determine how --
4 whether they can be heard. Okay.
5 MR. MASHBURN: Well, one of the things we
6 do is as -- as lawyers, we start with the law
7 and read the law first. And rather than read
8 all of Title 21 for everyone here today, I'm
9 going to summarize only the applicable
10 statutes and provisions. So we start with one
11 of the things that you find out as a young
12 lawyer with regard to the law, is that you
13 can't just understand the law by reading one
14 provision. Because many provisions lead you
15 to another provision that leads you to another
16 provision. So it leads you to another
17 provision. So we're going to do a little bit
18 of that today. It just -- so that everybody
19 can have the same frame for it.
20 So we start with Title 21, we start in
21 Article 8A of the Georgia Election Code. And
22 it's entitled: Statewide voting equipment.
23 And it carries the sub-caption for 21-2-300,
24 provision of new voting equipment by state.
25 Uniform system for all elections to be
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1 conducted with the use of scanning ballots
2 marked by electric -- electronic ballot
3 markers. Pilot programs authorize county
4 responsibilities, education, county, and
5 municipal contracts for equipment.
6 So within 21-2-300, we now proceed to 21-
7 2-300(a)(2). And that provides that all
8 federal, state, county, general primaries and
9 general elections as well as special primaries
10 and special elections in the State of Georgia
11 shall be conducted with the use of scanning
12 ballots marked by electronic ballot markers
13 and tabulated by using a ballot scanner for
14 voting at the polls and for absentee ballots
15 cast in person unless otherwise authorized by
16 law provided; however, that such electronic
17 ballot marker shall produce paper ballots
18 which are marked with the elector's choice in
19 a format readable by the elector.
20 Thus 21-2-300(a)(2) has two requirements.
21 The ballots must carry both the capability of
22 being scanned and of being verified by the
23 voter prior to it being scanned. And -- and
24 also human readable in the event of a hand
25 recount. So now we've introduced the
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1 electronic ballot marker. Let's look at the
2 definition of the electronic ballot marker.
3 O.C.G.A. 21-2-2 7.1, defines and
4 electronic ballot marker as an electronic
5 device that does not compute or retain votes,
6 may integrate components such as -- such as a
7 ballot scanner, printer, touchscreen monitor,
8 audio output and a navigational keypad. And
9 uses electronic technology to independently
10 and privately mark a paper ballot at the
11 direction of an elector. Interpret ballot
12 selections, communicate such interpretation
13 for elector verification. And print an
14 elector verifiable paper ballot.
15 So now we move to -- we'll skip ahead to
16 21-2-381. And that provides: In any primary
17 or election in which the use of voting
18 equipment is impossible or impracticable for
19 the reasons set out in Code section 21-2-334
20 the primary election may be conducted by paper
21 ballot in the manner provided in Code section
22 21-2-334.
23 So now we have to turn to 21-2-334 and
24 find out what the reasons are. And the
25 reasons set out in 21-2-334 are if a method of
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1 nomination or election for any candidate or
2 office or a voting on any question as
3 prescribed by law in which the use of voting
4 machines is not possible or practicable or in
5 such case at any primary or election the
6 number of candidates seeking nomination or
7 nominated for any office renders the use of
8 voting machines for such office at such
9 primary or election impracticable or if for
10 any other reason at any primary or election
11 the use of voting machines wholly or in part
12 is not practicable.
13 So now we move ahead to 21-2-418(H), as
14 in hotel. And that provides notwithstanding
15 any other provision of this chapter to the
16 contrary in the event that the voting machines
17 or DRE units at a polling place malfunction
18 and cannot be used to cast ballots or some
19 other emergency situation exists which
20 prevents the use of such equipment to cast
21 votes, provisional ballots may be used by the
22 electors at the polling place to cast their
23 ballots. In such event, the ballots cast by
24 electors whose names appear on the elector's
25 list for such polling place shall not be
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1 considered provisional ballots and shall not
2 require verification as provided by Code
3 section 21-2-419 provided; however, that
4 persons whose names do not appear on the
5 elector's list for such polling place shall
6 vote provisional ballots which shall be
7 subject to verification under Code section 21-
8 2-419.
9 So now we're going to take a break from
10 actually just reading statutes and move along
11 in -- in the wake of the 2020 election, the
12 General Assembly made public policy choices
13 about the voting systems in use in Georgia.
14 And did so in several ways. Two bills were
15 filed in 2021 that would have variously
16 required or allowed at the option of the
17 County Election Superintendent the use of hand
18 marked paper ballots rather than ballot
19 marking devices. The bills were SB-233 and
20 SB-273.
21 233 proposed to specifically delete
22 ballot marking device and to change the method
23 of casting votes to a non-electronic marking
24 tool designed for electors to indelibly hand
25 mark votes on paper ballots or paper ballot
23
1 card or cards that was assigned to a committee
2 but did not advance to a hearing.
3 SB-273, the title of which was elections
4 and primaries conduct elections by paper
5 ballots in 2021. Authorize local governments
6 proposed to specifically provide that in any
7 primary or election conducted during 2021, the
8 primary or election may be conducted by a
9 county, municipality, or consolidated
10 government, of the option of its election
11 superintendent by paper ballot in the manner
12 provided for in Code section 21-2-334. It was
13 assigned to a committee but did not advance to
14 a hearing.
15 In 2022, the Georgia General Assembly
16 spoke directly about the application of the
17 Board's emergency powers. And specifically in
18 the context of the Board's exercise of
19 emergency powers under the 2020 election.
20 Unlike the United States Congress, and its
21 congressional record that carries the
22 proceedings of the Congress. And that a
23 series called the U.S. Code Congressional and
24 Administrative news that I lived in when I was
25 an undergrad in law school.
24
1 In addition to special legislative
2 findings that are sometimes made, the preamble
3 to a bill is widely regarded as the definitive
4 legislative history of laws enacted in
5 Georgia. And the preamble to SB-202, the
6 General Assembly wrote that some of its
7 purposes in the bill were to limit the ability
8 of the State Election Board and the Secretary
9 of State to enter into certain consent
10 agreements, settlements, and consent orders,
11 to provide additional requirements on the
12 State Election Board's power to adopt
13 emergency rules and regulations. To provide
14 for allocation of voting equipment by counties
15 and municipalities. To amend Title 50 of the
16 Official Code of Georgia Annotated relating to
17 general provisions regarding state government
18 so as to provide for the submission and
19 suspension of emergency rules by the State
20 Election Board. The General Assembly
21 specifically created a brand new Code section
22 which was O.C.G.A. -- Official Code of Georgia
23 Annotated 21-2-35.
24 And that Code section carries the title,
25 Imminent Peril Requirement for Adoption of
25
1 Emergency Rules or Regulations; Notice;
2 Certification of Strict Compliance;
3 Conflicting Provisions.
4 And, specifically, in 21-2-35(a), the law
5 provides notwithstanding any other provision
6 in this chapter, Chapter 3 of Title 38
7 relating to emergency management for Chapter
8 13 of Title 50, the Georgia Administrative
9 Procedures Act to the contrary the State
10 Election Board may only adopt emergency rules
11 or regulations in circumstances of imminent
12 peril to public health, safety, or welfare.
13 To adopt any such emergency rule or regulation
14 in addition to any other rule-making
15 requirement in this chapter, or Chapter 13 of
16 Title 50, the State Election Board shall give
17 notice to the public of its intended action.
18 Immediately upon the setting of the date and
19 time of the meeting at which such emergency
20 rule or regulation is to be considered give
21 notice by email of its intended action to the
22 Governor; the Lieutenant Governor; the Speaker
23 of the House of Representatives; the
24 chairpersons of the standing committees of
25 each house of the General Assembly tasked with
26
1 election matters; legislative counsel and the
2 chief executive officer of each political
3 party registered pursuant to subsection (a) of
4 Code Section 21-2-110.
5 And it must state in the notice as
6 required by paragraphs (1) and (2) the nature
7 of the emergency and the manner in which such
8 emergency represents an imminent peril to
9 public health, safety, or welfare. Upon
10 adoption of promulgation of any emergency rule
11 or regulation pursuant to this Code section, a
12 majority of the State Election Board shall
13 certify in writing that such emergency rule or
14 regulation was made in strict and exact
15 compliance with the provisions of this chapter
16 and subsection (e) of Code Section 50-13-4.
17 And in the event of any conflict between
18 the Code section and any other provision of
19 Chapter 13 of Title 50, this Code section 21-
20 -- 21-2-35 shall govern and supersede any such
21 conflicting provision.
22 So to close out the statutory portion we
23 need to look at O.C.G.A. 50-13-4. And,
24 specifically, 50-13-4(b). If any agency finds
25 that an imminent peril to the public health,
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1 safety, or welfare, including but not limited
2 to, summary processes such as quarantines,
3 contrabands, seizures, and the like authorized
4 by law without notice, requires adoption of a
5 rule upon fewer than 30 days notice and states
6 in writing its reasons for that finding, it
7 may proceed without prior notice or hearing or
8 upon any abbreviated notice and hearing that
9 it finds practicable to adopt an emergency
10 rule. Any such rule adopted relative to a
11 public health emergency shall be submitted as
12 a promptly as reasonably practicable to the
13 House of Representatives and Senate Committees
14 on Judiciary provided that any such rule
15 adopted relative to a state of emergency by
16 the State Election Board shall be submitted as
17 soon as practicable but not later than 20 days
18 prior to the rule taking effect. Any
19 emergency rule adopted by the State Election
20 Board pursuant to the provisions of this
21 subsection may be suspended upon the majority
22 vote of the House of Representatives or Senate
23 Committees on the Judiciary within 10 days of
24 the receipt of such rule by the committees.
25 The rule may be effective for a period of not
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1 longer than 120 days but the adoption of an
2 identical rule under paragraphs (1) and (2) of
3 subsection (a) of this Code section is not
4 precluded; provided, however, that such a rule
5 adopted pursuant to discharge of
6 responsibility under an Executive Order
7 declaring a state of emergency or disaster
8 exists as a result of a public health
9 emergency as defined in Code section 38-3-3
10 shall be effected -- effective for the
11 duration of the emergency or disaster and for
12 a period of not more than 120 days thereafter.
13 So finally, case law also impacts our
14 deliberations and our discussions. In Voter
15 GA and Phillip Singleton versus State of
16 Georgia, Judge Kimberly M. Esmond-Adams a
17 judge on the Fulton County State Court
18 considered whether electronic ballot marking
19 devices complied with voting law requirements
20 in O.C.G.A. 21-2-2(7.1) and O.C.G.A.
21 21-2-300(a)(2). In this case, the petitioners
22 claim that the State's current electronic
23 voting system does not comply with State law.
24 They argued that the paper ballot generated by
25 the Dominion ballot marking devices does not
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1 comply with O.C.G.A. 21-2-2(7.1) and O.C.G.A.
2 21-2-300(a)(2), the two sections that were
3 just described previously. Petitioners
4 requested that the Court order the State
5 switch to hand marked paper ballots counted by
6 scanners.
7 The State of Georgia moved to dismiss the
8 case. In dismissing the case on May 31st,
9 2022, the Court said, the fact that paper
10 ballots include a QR code which the system
11 uses to tabulate votes does not violate either
12 statute's requirements that the paper ballots
13 be produced, and that the interpretation of
14 the elector's intent be produced in a readable
15 fashion. These requirements are satisfied by
16 the printed paper ballots produced by the
17 ballot marking devices. The Court then
18 decided the current devices comply with the
19 statutes because they communicate the ballot
20 scanner's interpretation of the elector's
21 intent in a format readable by the elector
22 through the printed paper ballot. There is no
23 interpretation of the facts presented that
24 would provide petitioner relief of their
25 claim. The State Court of Fulton County is a
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1 trial court. The decision of Judge Singleton
2 -- the decision in Singleton of Judge Adams
3 was not appealed. Thank you.
4 MR. FAVORITO: It was appealed, Matt.
5 That's not true.
6 MR. MASHBURN: Well, we'll check on that.
7 MR. FAVORITO: Okay. I'll tell them
8 that.
9 MS. McGOWAN: It is pending appeal.
10 MR. MASHBURN: Well, I stand corrected.
11 MR. DUFFEY: So that's the --
12 MR. FAVORITO: There's many other
13 (inaudible) --
14 MR. DUFFEY: -- excuse me. You have --
15 we're going to the next part of the -- of the
16 meeting which is after having described the
17 statute that we comply with and have to comply
18 with. I want now for you to understand not in
19 a sense of advocacy but just understand how
20 the Dominion democracy sweep machines work.
21 So I want -- I want you to understand as
22 it was explained to us early on in the year
23 how exactly the machines work. Because for
24 me, I told -- I told the people that were on
25 the Board, I said, what I know about voting is
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1 that I voted. But I will tell you that when I
2 go in, I don't really scrutinize what it is
3 that's happening. I do what I'm instructed to
4 do. And I said, now I want to look at the
5 system and how it operates as a -- as a whole.
6 And I wanted to know what security devices
7 that were on it because I -- because I knew
8 that there were people that -- that had
9 criticized the security. And -- and I -- I
10 just wanted to know so I could reach my own
11 conclusion about the security in -- in the
12 machines and the system itself. So I want to
13 present to you, Mr. John Poulos who is the CEO
14 of Dominion voting to just explain to you how
15 the system -- how the machines work. And he
16 is --
17 MS. BRADSHAW: Garland said that some of
18 the information he gave was -- was incorrect
19 and I think we need to get that settled before
20 we move on.
21 MR. DUFFEY: We're going to move on, but
22 I will have something. If I can't --
23 Charlene, would you -- could you -- do you
24 have the appeal documents if there are any in
25 the case that Judge Adams decided? And do you
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1 know the status of the appeal?
2 MS. McGOWAN: It's been (inaudible) --
3 MR. DUFFEY: Is -- has there been oral
4 argument on it?
5 MS. McGOWAN: It has not (inaudible) --
6 MR. DUFFEY: It has not been --
7 MS. McGOWAN: (Inaudible) -- oral
8 argument on it yet but could be.
9 MR. DUFFEY: Okay. So it's --
10 MR. FAVORITO: Mr. Chairman, I'm the lead
11 (inaudible) on the case that Matt was talking
12 about, and I would like the opportunity
13 sometime today to clarify some of the false
14 information that you just heard.
15 MR. DUFFEY: We'll let you do that during
16 public comments section.
17 MR. FAVORITO: All right. I’ve already
18 (inaudible) public comment. I’d like some
19 extra time for that.
20 MR. DUFFEY: We're now going to move to a
21 description of the democracy sweep machines by
22 Mr. Poulos who will -- who will be presenting
23 to you virtually. Can we do that now?
24 MR. MASHBURN: Mr. Chairman, if these
25 screens don't work, I'm going to come down
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1 here and watch.
2 MR. POULOS: Good day. Could you -- can
3 you hear me?
4 MR. DUFFEY: Yes. Do we have him on
5 camera?
6 MR. POULOS: I'm here, if you can hear
7 me.
8 MR. DUFFEY: We -- can you hear us, Mr.
9 Poulos?
10 MR. POULOS: I certainly can, yes.
11 MR. DUFFEY: Okay. Wait. We're trying
12 to get your picture -- there we have -- I
13 guess we have it now.
14 MR. POULOS: Can you -- can you hear me,
15 Chairman?
16 MR. DUFFEY: Yes.
17 MR. POULOS: Wonderful. Well, thank you
18 for having me. Do -- do you want me to start
19 a description of what our system does?
20 MR. DUFFEY: Yes, please.
21 MR. POULOS: Okay. Great. Well,
22 essentially, our system does one of two things
23 in a precinct. And -- and I suppose the first
24 comment that I will make is that we don't
25 really do anything -- any -- any of the checks
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1 or provisions of a verifying voter's
2 eligibility that is done by poll workers. But
3 once a voter enters into a precinct and is
4 verified by poll workers as an eligible voter
5 who hasn't yet voted in this election.
6 In the State of Georgia, they are given
7 access to a ballot marking device. And that -
8 - that device is a stand-alone machine. It's
9 not connected to the internet. It's not even
10 connected to each other. It's a stand-alone
11 device and essentially it is a screen
12 connected to a printer. It allows a voter to
13 go through the appropriate ballot so it keeps
14 track to make sure that the ballot that a
15 voter's view it -- viewing is from the
16 appropriate district that they should be
17 voting on. And it allows that voter to go
18 through contest, by contest each of, yeah,
19 viewing each contest and making selections
20 along the way on -- on the ultimate way of
21 producing a paper ballot that can be further
22 reviewed. And I'll -- I'll talk about that in
23 a minute.
24 So one of the advantages that the ballot
25 marking device presents is that it allows the
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1 voter to make selections in -- in a perfect
2 manner. So there is no ambiguity on the paper
3 ballot. It allows them to scroll through each
4 contest all the way to the propositions and
5 -- and also allows for accessibility features
6 that ensure that every voter regardless of the
7 level of physical ability that they may
8 possess allows them to independently mark and
9 create a paper ballot for which they are able
10 to verify privately and independently that can
11 be accurately counted and recounted and
12 audited as the case may be.
13 So at the -- at the end of this stage and
14 this is really, as I said, the first thing
15 that Dominion machines really do, is we help
16 voters mark paper ballots privately and
17 independently. On this device, on the ballot
18 marking device, votes are not stored. Votes
19 are not cast. There is nothing at the end of
20 this that is stored on the machine other than
21 a paper ballot being presented to a voter.
22 Now, if a voter picks up that paper
23 ballot and is able to verify their selections
24 that -- and verify that the selections that
25 are printed on that paper ballot are, in fact,
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1 accurate. Are, in fact, the voter's
2 selections. No more, no less. And once they
3 verify that, which, Chairman, is the very
4 important part of the process. Then they can
5 walk it over to the ballot box. So as they
6 leave the ballot marking station, they -- all
7 that's left is a paper ballot that's now in
8 the voter's hands. There's nothing stored or
9 nothing cast. There's no record of any kind
10 of votes stored on the ballot marking device.
11 So as that voter walks over to the ballot
12 box, the official cast record, it is important
13 to note. This is not a backup part of the
14 system. This -- the -- the paper ballot is
15 the official ballot that gets cast. That goes
16 into a ballot box by way of a digital scanner.
17 And so that's -- that's the other piece of
18 what Dominion does.
19 We have a digital scanner that scans that
20 paper ballot and saves an image in triplicate
21 in -- on the -- on the memory devices of that
22 scanner. And all that scanner does is it
23 accurately and objectively tabulates the votes
24 that are on that paper ballot. So without any
25 use of technology, the paper ballot would go
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1 into a locked, sealed ballot box. The chain
2 of custody of that locked and sealed ballot
3 box is under the control of the election
4 officials in that jurisdiction. And is,
5 obviously, a very essential part of the
6 mandated election protocols that go into
7 place.
8 But in addition to the paper ballot that
9 can be hand audited. It can be hand
10 recounted. You also have a record of -- of --
11 by way of digital image of what that voter
12 verified and confirmed at the time of casting.
13 So if you think through some of the legacy
14 concerns about paper ballots and why many
15 decades ago paper ballots fell out of favor
16 for a period of time. There was allegations
17 that during a hand count process or even
18 during a recount process, somebody nefarious
19 could have perhaps a piece of pencil lead
20 under their fingernail and make a
21 supplementary mark on that ballot at the time
22 of a recount or a hand count.
23 And one of the great advantages of having
24 a digital scanner in this process is not only
25 does the official record remain that voter
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1 verified paper ballot that can be hand counted
2 and audited. But you would additionally have
3 a scanned image of each ballot that has gone
4 through the machine. So as the voting day
5 continues, it is important to note that the
6 day starts with an open ballot box where
7 members of the public bi-partisan poll
8 watchers, other stakeholders who wish to watch
9 the election, can verify that the ballot box
10 is, in fact, empty. And they can verify that
11 the results tape that is printed -- we call it
12 the status tape because it -- it shows a
13 record of what is in that ballot box. And at
14 the beginning -- beginning of the day the
15 essential step in the process is to print the
16 tape that shows the machine has no votes
17 recorded on it for this election that is about
18 to begin.
19 As the election day proceeds, ballots are
20 cast by voters after they have had a chance to
21 verify their paper ballots and choose to cast
22 it. Once they are happy and sufficiently,
23 they -- they -- they view that it is
24 sufficiently voted, no more, no less. Then
25 they cast it through the machine, digital copy
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1 of the ballot is captured, as I mentioned.
2 And at the end of the day, a poll official
3 when voting closes, will close the poll. And
4 immediately at the end of the day when the
5 poll is closed, multiple copies of the results
6 tape will be printed.
7 And the reason -- so what's on the tape?
8 The tape shows a complete accounting of how
9 many ballots have been cast with the machine
10 during the day. And it also shows the results
11 of those ballots that have been cast in that
12 -- in that ballot box. And that is just one
13 piece of -- of the entire chain of custody
14 that comes together during the canvass
15 process. And the reason why we print multiple
16 tapes in the State of Georgia is because tapes
17 can be given to political parties that are
18 present in the precinct. A copy can be given
19 to poll watchers, bi-partisan poll watchers
20 and a copy of that which I'll state can be
21 publicly posted on the wall of that precinct.
22 And it really allows for an additional step of
23 transparency that members of the public. The
24 bi-partisan poll watchers, the candidates
25 themselves now know the instantaneous results
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1 before that entire package of election
2 material gets securely transported back to the
3 central location.
4 So I'll pause briefly there. And -- and
5 happy to answer any questions as it pertains
6 to this -- these two processes.
7 MR. DUFFEY: If you have a question, if
8 you'll write it out, I'll ask it. Just bring
9 it up here and put it on the table.
10 Can -- can you explain whether the actual
11 machines have any security?
12 MR. POULOS: They absolutely do. So
13 federal certification guidelines, Chairman,
14 have a comprehensive list of requirements that
15 any vendor is required to meet. And these are
16 validated through the federal testing program.
17 Through independently tested and accredited
18 testing agencies as it pertains to our ballot
19 tabulator, for example, there are physical
20 security mechanism that protect the memory
21 cards that I referenced so lock and sealed.
22 It's the same type of lock and seal
23 concept that -- that -- that protect the
24 actual paper ballots in the physical ballot
25 box. So not only do you have a physical lock,
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1 but then you have a seal that can be verified
2 very easily. They're highly visible so they
3 can be verified by any poll watcher or bi-
4 partisan stakeholder in the election even from
5 a distance.
6 Beyond that the actual memory cards are
7 both digitally signed and encrypted as per
8 federal requirements. And -- and that -- that
9 is only as it pertains to the security of --
10 of the -- of the system sitting on the ballot
11 box. Above and beyond that, jurisdictions
12 have their local chain of custody and a host
13 of physical security processes in public
14 testing that layer on security on top of the
15 actual machine’s security.
16 MR. DUFFEY: And I -- I know that at some
17 point for an election somebody has to put the
18 ballot on to ballot marking devices for that
19 particular precinct. How is that done and is
20 it possible that somebody could put something
21 else that would corrupt the ballot marking
22 device after it's loaded with the ballots?
23 MR. POULOS: Sure. The -- the specific
24 process is really best answered by -- by the
25 State and basically the election officials
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1 that are accountable for defining that
2 process. But, essentially, the way to think
3 about it is once an election is programmed
4 there -- that the -- the -- the election
5 specific nature, so candidates, the types of
6 contest, you know, is it -- is it, basically,
7 the specifics that change from election to
8 election are loaded on to the ballot marking
9 devices.
10 They -- they are loaded one by one into
11 the ballot -- into the ballot marking devices
12 so it's not by way of internet. And it's not
13 done by network. They are done by physical
14 cards and that process -- and the -- and the
15 mandated protocols of physical security and
16 checks are an essential part of this. And as
17 I said, that is done by those who have
18 accountability for that which is the election
19 officials in that jurisdiction.
20 So there -- there are many protocols
21 around from the federal testing standpoint
22 that protect that process including password,
23 including specific election security
24 identification that is not given out. But the
25 process doesn't end there. It's designed to
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1 allow transparency not only for candidates but
2 by bi-partisan poll watchers. But frankly any
3 election stakeholder by way of public testing.
4 So once these devices are loaded, there is a
5 host of public testing that occurs on them to
6 ensure that nothing nefarious has happened and
7 just as importantly nothing has happened by
8 way of a spelling mistake that is propagated
9 through the -- through the checking of -- of
10 election programming. And it gives not only
11 the local county election jurisdiction a
12 chance to but also any watchers the chance
13 that the ballot marking devices presenting the
14 choices accurately to the voters and -- and
15 ultimately the -- the paper that is printed
16 that allows them to review their -- their --
17 their selections are accurate.
18 MR. DUFFEY: I'd like for you to go back.
19 You keep talking about public testing. But
20 you never told us what that is. What is --
21 what is -- what do you mean by public testing?
22 MR. POULOS: All right. So that is a
23 process that is controlled by the election
24 jurisdictions themselves.
25 MR. DUFFEY: I want --
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1 MR. POULOS: And, essentially --
2 MR. DUFFEY: -- excuse me. I understand
3 that. I want you to tell us what that is.
4 MR. POULOS: Sure. So once the election
5 is loaded on to each of the machines, it, you
6 know, immediately preceding an election. The
7 public is invited in. The entire system is
8 set up. So every single unit on every single
9 -- every single tabulator, for example, is set
10 up and this -- this is the part where it
11 varies jurisdiction by jurisdiction, but there
12 is -- the goal of the testing is to create a
13 known test deck of -- of ballots. So as -- as
14 a participant in -- in the testing, Chairman,
15 if you were there, you would be asked to make
16 -- make your selections. You would then be
17 asked to verify that the paper ballot is
18 accurate, and we would do this over and over
19 and over, or more accurately, the county would
20 do this and feed those paper ballots through
21 the tabulator. And so there should be an
22 expected result based on how you voted. And
23 then once the polls are closed, in this public
24 test, the print tape is printed and you can
25 verify your expected result to -- the result
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1 that it's printed on the print tapes and it
2 often -- what is often the case, they'll do a
3 hand count of the paper ballots in the ballot
4 box just to make sure that the expected result
5 is the same as the hand recount which is the
6 same as the result tape on the tabulator.
7 And this is a process that --
8 MR. DUFFEY: When you say expected
9 result, when you put them through the scanner,
10 and you have somebody like me if I put my
11 ballot through the scanner, could you see
12 whether -- what my specific votes were to make
13 sure that they were accurately recorded?
14 MR. POULOS: Yes, you can. So, you know,
15 in a simple scenario, if we had a ballot -- if
16 we had a ballot with one contest and four
17 candidates. A sample test that might be
18 candidate 1, on position 1, we might want four
19 ballots that vote for this candidate 1. The
20 next candidate we might want three ballots
21 that vote for candidate 2. Two for candidate
22 3 and one for candidate 4. So they're all
23 unique. We would probably want to complete
24 blank ballot, as well, just to be sure and --
25 and then we would feed all those five ballots
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1 through the ballot box. So we should be
2 expecting a result of four, three, two, one on
3 that contest. And we'll keep it simple, and
4 we'll say it's a one contest election. And we
5 want to verify that the results tape exactly
6 tells you four, three, two, one. And then
7 we'll check in the ballot box to make sure
8 that those ballots are, in fact, four, three,
9 two, one.
10 MR. DUFFEY: And for how many ballot
11 marking devices do you do that sort of
12 testing?
13 MR. POULOS: Well, they should be done on
14 all of them. So and at -- at -- at the bare
15 minimum every tabulator needs to be tested in
16 this way in the public to verify that the
17 count is, in fact, accurate.
18 MR. DUFFEY: And when you say in the
19 public, how do you know -- I'm probably not
20 going to go down and watch the testing. I
21 mean, how do you know that it's really public
22 as opposed to just being people that work in
23 the -- in the precinct?
24 MR. POULOS: It's a great question. It's
25 a key part of the process. It's a key part of
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1 the transparency and so that is -- that is
2 certainly a question that needs to be asked in
3 every election, every jurisdiction and
4 encouraged -- the process needs to encouraged
5 because that is a key part of the transparency
6 that shows members of the public not only is -
7 - are the machines accurate. But also
8 educates those on how the process actually
9 works.
10 MR. DUFFEY: Do any of the Board members
11 have questions before I get to the attendees'
12 questions?
13 MR. LINDSEY: I'll have one at the end
14 after the other questions.
15 MR. DUFFEY: Okay.
16 DR. JOHNSTON: Thank you so much for
17 being here today and presenting this
18 information. I have a question. Do the
19 ballots in the test deck have QR codes on
20 them?
21 MR. POULOS: In the State of Georgia,
22 currently our certified system does feature QR
23 codes.
24 DR. JOHNSTON: On the test deck?
25 MR. POULOS: And that because they're on
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1 the ballots, the test deck is a sample of the
2 real ballots in the election. So, yes, both
3 the test deck would have that.
4 DR. JOHNSTON: Thank you. And another
5 question. How -- how can you demonstrate to
6 the public that the Dominion software reads
7 the QR code accurately?
8 MR. POULOS: Sure. This could be done a
9 number of ways. The simplest and way it could
10 be done is through a risk-limiting audit. Or
11 any -- any -- any type of hand verification of
12 the paper ballots in the machine.
13 DR. JOHNSTON: So a risk-limiting audit
14 will verify an accurate QR code?
15 MR. POULOS: It sure would. Because the
16 ballots -- ultimately one thing that should be
17 kept in mind is the official cast record is
18 not the QR code. It never is. The official
19 cast record -- the official part of that
20 ballot which accurately -- which shows the
21 voter's intent is the text and at the end of
22 the day that is the official cast record. So
23 the -- the accuracy of the tabulator is
24 actually the easiest thing in the world to
25 double check. And the way to do that is you -
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1 - you -- you can either look at all machines.
2 You can look at one machine. You can look at
3 a subsec. So a risk-limiting audit is --
4 refers to a certain process by which a certain
5 percentage of tabulators or ballot boxes are
6 chosen at random. And each ballot box that is
7 chosen, regardless of what that number is,
8 from more than zero to a 100 percent of the
9 ballot boxes, you pull up the paper ballots,
10 the voter verified paper ballots which is
11 always the official part of the election.
12 Those are the official results. Those are
13 what can't be hacked, and you hand count them
14 to verify the count on the tabulator.
15 MR. DUFFEY: Any other questions from the
16 Board?
17 MS. GHAZAL: I have a question. Thank
18 you. Thank you so much for -- for being here
19 and answering our questions. I have a very
20 simple one. Can you explain whether or not
21 the security features and passwords are
22 changed from election to election or is it
23 carried through?
24 MR. POULOS: They should be changed
25 election to election. That's ultimately
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1 something that are -- is done by election
2 jurisdictions.
3 MS. GHAZAL: Thank you.
4 MR. DUFFEY: Any other questions from
5 Board members?
6 MR. LINDSEY: I'll have one at the end,
7 Mr. Chairman.
8 MR. DUFFEY: Some of these questions are
9 redundant so I'm not going to ask the
10 redundant questions we have an explanation of
11 --
12 MR. POULOS: I'm -- I'm sorry, Chairman,
13 I can't hear what you're saying. I'm not sure
14 if that was directed at me, but I -- I could
15 barely make it out.
16 MR. DUFFEY: That's because my mic wasn't
17 on. Now it is.
18 MR. POULOS: Okay.
19 MR. DUFFEY: All right. So I'm going
20 through the questions that have been submitted
21 to me are -- I'm taking out those questions
22 which I believe have already been answered and
23 there are some that are redundant. So here's
24 -- here's one: Does the QR code assign a
25 unique number to each ballot?
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1 MR. POULOS: No. Absolutely not.
2 MR. DUFFEY: Here are two questions I'm
3 going to ask it in a more general way that --
4 what is -- what is the function of Dominion
5 techs? What do they do on election day? What
6 is their purpose?
7 MR. POULOS: Their purpose -- their
8 primary purpose is to be available to ask any
9 questions. And -- and provide help to
10 election -- election officials who have any --
11 any kind of need for troubleshooting. It
12 really could be a number of things. A very
13 common one, believe it or not, is, you know,
14 the power -- the power seems to be on battery
15 power even though the unit it plugged in. And
16 a Dominion tech might come. They're --
17 they're instructed never to perform in any
18 official duty that is the accountability of
19 the poll official. But you'd be surprised at
20 how often this one happened to where it's
21 plugged into an outlet in a precinct that is
22 not live and, you know, that -- that type of
23 thing is where a Dominion tech is sometimes
24 helpful for jurisdictions.
25 MR. DUFFEY: Do your machines use blue
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1 tooth or other technology that would allow it
2 to be accessed by somebody using the internet?
3 MR. POULOS: No. They are specifically
4 designed as per federal statute or federal
5 certification standards to not have that
6 capability and that is what they are tested
7 against.
8 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you. And do your
9 machines have any blue tooth, wi-fi chip sets?
10 MR. POULOS: No. To the extent that any,
11 like, our tabulator, for example, absolutely
12 does not and to the extent that any other
13 devices that we would have. So, for example,
14 if we supplied a Windows PC for a central
15 location, that -- that PC is an off the shelf
16 product. And -- and they change all the time
17 so typically we use Dell computers and the
18 Dell models keep changing as whatever Dell
19 brings up new versions and so there is a
20 specific hardening procedure that is approved
21 by the certification bodies where any
22 functionality that might have been on a -- a
23 PC that perhaps does some ballot rendering at
24 a central location, that that functionality is
25 disabled in the appropriate way.
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1 MR. DUFFEY: When the audiences can
2 control themselves, I'll proceed. Or -- or if
3 you can't, you might want to step out.
4 There's a question asking him to
5 interpret Georgia statutes. I'm not going to
6 -- I'm not going to ask him to do that because
7 he -- that's not why he's here. This question
8 I don't understand. It's -- it has one
9 incomplete sentence. I'll ask, is there any
10 circumstance where a -- a scanner has to be
11 reset? And how do you do that?
12 MR. POULOS: I'm sorry, Chairman. Is the
13 -- the tabulator? The digital scanner that
14 sits at the top of the ballot box?
15 MR. BALBONA: Yeah.
16 MR. DUFFEY: The scanner that sits on top
17 of the ballot box?
18 MR. POULOS: If it needs to be reset?
19 MR. DUFFEY: Yeah. Or start -- there are
20 circum -- what might have scanners had to be
21 reset and if so, how's that done?
22 MR. BALBONA: For the count.
23 MR. POULOS: I can't think of -- I can't
24 think of anything sitting here right now why
25 it would need to be reset. I mean, sometimes
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1 I've seen ballot jams where a ballot is
2 inserted for whatever reason the ballot has a
3 torn -- a torn corner to it. Or there's --
4 but you typically don't see that in precinct
5 voting because the ballot -- it -- it doesn't
6 travel very far. It goes from the marking
7 area. The voter takes and looks at it. So
8 really, I can't think of anywhere -- any time
9 where it would have to be reset.
10 MR. BALBONA: But can it.
11 MR. DUFFEY: Well, if -- if there is an
12 instance say, for example, where there's a
13 turned up corner and it jams --
14 MR. POULOS: Yes.
15 MR. DUFFEY: How do you -- what is the
16 assurance that everything was counted after
17 that including that jammed ballot is tabulated
18 and included in the count?
19 MR. POULOS: Oh, okay. So if the ballot
20 has not been read -- is not able to go through
21 the scanner as -- as you say, it does not go
22 in and fall -- and cast into the ballot box.
23 The -- the -- the tabulator -- ballot
24 tabulator will prompt the poll official with
25 an instruction to clear that -- that ballot
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1 jam. And if the ballot is torn in a way that
2 makes it unscannable, the poll official will
3 direct that voter to create another paper
4 ballot. They have supplementary counting
5 procedures to make sure that that torn ballot
6 is properly accounted for that outside of the
7 Dominion system. Because the Dominion
8 tabulator that sits atop of the ballot box
9 only counts the number of ballots that poll
10 officials allow voters to feed in. So in the
11 course of a day, if it's 100 ballots, the --
12 the tabulator has no idea who the voters are.
13 The tabulator has no idea how they've been
14 verified. But all -- the only thing it's
15 accountable for is to make sure that the
16 ballots that have gone through that tabulator
17 have been accurately counted for and not only
18 in number of separate ballots, but also the
19 interpretation of every -- of every vote on
20 every contest. And that's -- that's -- that's
21 the part that is verified independently
22 through the use of hand count audits and hand
23 recounts.
24 MR. BALBONA: I can give you a
25 hypothetical scenario if you want. It's
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1 pretty nuanced.
2 MR. DUFFEY: This is a question about
3 training of local officials. But he is not
4 here to talk about how local officials were
5 trained so I'm not going to ask that. This is
6 a question about something that happened at a
7 local precinct, so I won't ask that. I mean,
8 this is another question having to do with
9 connection of machines to the internet. Can
10 you go, I guess, could you go over again
11 looking at your whole system. And the ballot
12 marking devices and the scanners. If
13 anything, else that is -- that is associated I
14 have, in addition to that, with your system as
15 opposed to some -- some supplemental process
16 at the local election office. Is -- which
17 devices have any ability to access the
18 internet through blue tooth, wi-fi or any
19 other technology.
20 MR. POULOS: Sure. Well, our ballot
21 marking devices do not have that capability.
22 And -- and that's what they're tested for.
23 Not only by the jurisdiction, but by
24 certification agencies. But -- but, again, a
25 ballot marking device is a screen and a
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1 printer. It doesn't store votes. It doesn't
2 in any way. It has nothing to do with the
3 tabulation process. It's a -- it provides a
4 voter with a paper ballot to be verified.
5 On the scanner you have -- you -- you
6 have a -- a scanner that is designed by
7 federal requirements to operate in a -- in a -
8 - in a -- in a air-gapped manner without
9 connectivity. So at no point during -- after
10 voting is there any capability of that device
11 being connected to anything. It is -- it is a
12 complete stand-alone system.
13 Now, the -- the tabulator is configured
14 in some jurisdictions by law and Georgia is
15 not one of those to be able to attach an
16 external device to transmit unofficial results
17 after the polls close. This is a process that
18 requires breaking a physical seal and
19 connecting something that's quite large. That
20 -- that is -- that dongles out of that
21 tabulator that is easily viewed. It's
22 designed to be easily viewed by any poll
23 watcher in that precinct. Be the -- be it a
24 poll worker, a bi-partisan poll watcher or
25 just a member of the public. And, again, the
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1 most important point here is that Georgia is
2 not one of these jurisdictions. So there --
3 there are absolutely no ways of connecting
4 that we -- we haven't sold this device in
5 Georgia. Georgia doesn't have this device.
6 And so in Georgia that locked port that is
7 both locked and sealed never gets opened.
8 I will also add Chairman, that in other
9 jurisdictions and these are typically
10 jurisdictions that for geographical reasons
11 takes several hours to physically transport
12 everything. And they're looking to be
13 transparent by -- by offering unofficial
14 results. But I will say is that even in those
15 limited jurisdictions, which is just a few
16 percent, I think now, it's rapidly declining
17 in my view. It's going down to zero. But the
18 physical device does not connect through the
19 internet. It's through a private cellular
20 network. And those results that are
21 transmitted are only unofficial. They are
22 never part of the official results record.
23 MR. DUFFEY: This question is about
24 something happened in another jurisdiction and
25 what caused it. He's not here to talk about
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1 that. And I'm not going to ask that question.
2 Is there any -- does your system work in
3 a way that a counter can erase a scanned
4 ballot?
5 MR. POULOS: I -- I don't understand.
6 Erase -- erase a ballot that is in the box or
7 erase an image that's on one of the memory
8 cards?
9 MR. BALBONA: On the counter on the -- on
10 the scanner. The ballot scanner, the counter,
11 it's kind of like the mileage is there any
12 scenario where that number is adjusted?
13 MR. POULOS: I’m sorry, Chairman. I
14 couldn't hear his question.
15 MR. DUFFEY: In your -- that -- that is
16 not the question that you asked on this piece
17 of paper. This is not a open forum for people
18 to ask. If you want to ask a question, I will
19 ask the question and determine whether or not
20 it's appropriate.
21 We -- we asked for him to address certain
22 things and I think it's unfair for the
23 audience to expand this to ask questions that
24 are not related to the way these machines
25 work. And I think he's been generous and fair
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1 in addressing the questions. And I've been
2 fairly liberal in asking him things that I
3 thought you wanted to know.
4 MR. BALBONA: It was just a clarification
5 of that question.
6 MR. DUFFEY: Pardon me.
7 MR. BALBONA: It was just a clarification
8 of that exact same question.
9 MR. DUFFEY: Well, I would disagree with
10 that. What's the purpose of air-gap
11 connectivity? And is the air-gap --
12 MR. POULOS: Air-gap means no
13 connectivity.
14 MR. DUFFEY: What -- tell me what air-gap
15 -- tell me what air-gap is.
16 MR. POULOS: Air-gap means if -- if,
17 Chairman, if you're holding a device that set
18 to be air-gaped, I can see that device from
19 the other side of the room. I know it's not
20 connected to any other device because I can
21 see that there's no -- there's no wires. I
22 can actually see that with my own eyes. And -
23 - and -- and there's no connectivity through
24 any means of electromagnetic communication
25 such as wi-fi; such as blue tooth -- such as
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1 some of these technology that you asked me
2 earlier.
3 MR. DUFFEY: This is a question about his
4 response to a report that is in litigation in
5 the Curland case. Some of which has not been
6 disclosed by the court so I'm not going to ask
7 that question. And he was not here to respond
8 to Mr. Halderman report.
9 Any further questions from the Board?
10 MR. LINDSEY: Yes, Mr. Chairman. If I
11 may. I think you need to turn me on. While I
12 do not want you to -- to discuss anything
13 that's particularly regarding the Curland
14 report and -- and regarding the Curland
15 litigation. Nor I want you to and I want to
16 make sure you understand where I’m going here.
17 Nor do I want you to reveal anything that is
18 presently under seal. Please make sure that
19 you understand that. However, I do think it's
20 important for the -- for the Board and for the
21 general public to know that there was a -- a
22 analysis done by an independent cyber security
23 company called MITA that was submitted to the
24 court in response to the Halderman report.
25 Were you aware of that?
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1 MR. POULOS: Yes, I am.
2 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah. And you're aware
3 that presently that Mitre report is under
4 seal. But there have been requests that it be
5 unsealed so that the general public can see
6 the analysis that took place by the Mitre
7 folks in response to the Halderman
8 allegations, correct?
9 MR. POULOS: I believe that report is
10 under seal, correct. I think that was your
11 question.
12 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah. It is under seal.
13 And -- and Dominion has asked for that to be
14 made public, correct?
15 MR. DUFFEY: Well, that's -- that's a
16 question --
17 MR. LINDSEY: I mean, it is -- well, let
18 me put it this way: From a review of the
19 records, it appears that Dominion has
20 requested that report. And be made public and
21 -- and the also that the State Election Board
22 has made that request to be made public. I
23 just wanted to know if you were aware of that
24 fact.
25 MR. POULOS: Yes, I'm aware of that.
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1 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah. Okay. I'll discuss
2 that further later, Mr. Chairman. Okay. Oh,
3 one other question. Mr. Chairman, if I may.
4 You're -- are you aware that the United
5 States Election Assistance Commission?
6 MR. POULOS: Yes, I am.
7 MR. LINDSEY: You -- you are, you are.
8 And -- and has your Dominion system been
9 tested and reviewed by that commission that's
10 being used to (inaudible).
11 MR. POULOS: Yes. Yes, it has.
12 MR. LINDSEY: And has it been approved by
13 the -- by this commission?
14 MR. POULOS: Yes, it has.
15 MR. LINDSEY: Could you just briefly tell
16 the public and the Board generally what the US
17 Election Assistance Commission is?
18 MR. POULOS: It is a bi-partisan
19 commission that was created in -- in the years
20 following the 2000 general -- general
21 election. And it sought to create a list of
22 definitive standards by which any voting
23 system should adhere to. And the current
24 certification guidelines I believe are
25 thousands of pages long. That they tell you
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1 exactly how a system should work. The types
2 of security mechanisms that must be part of
3 that system. And any company that wishes to
4 market an election system in the -- in the
5 United States submits their system for that
6 testing.
7 That testing is done independently by any
8 entity that -- that has applied and attained
9 its own certification and accreditation by
10 that same agency. And so really what that
11 process does it -- it demonstrates that a
12 testing lab is independent. The testing lab
13 understands election protocols. And is able
14 to independently test and verify compliance to
15 EAC, the Election Assistance Commission
16 standards. So typically, that process can
17 take -- it's -- it's not uncommon for it to
18 take years and it is very thorough. It
19 involves any manufacturer, such as Dominion,
20 to submit its entirety of the source code for
21 a line-by-line code review. The entirety of
22 its hardware platform for review. A list of
23 manufacturing partners on the supply chain for
24 any and all hardware parts. And ultimately at
25 the end if certified that certified version
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1 which is made up of the entirety of all of the
2 hardware pieces that have been submitted and
3 reviewed by that agency and its independent
4 test labs. And the source code is deemed the
5 certified version. So at any point in the
6 future if a further change is required in any
7 way, be it hardware, or even one line of
8 source code, the entire package goes back to
9 the Election Assistance Commission for another
10 review and if deemed appropriate and compliant
11 following certification.
12 MR. LINDSEY: And once again, has the
13 Dominion system utilized here in Georgia been
14 certified and approved by the commission?
15 MR. POULOS: Absolutely, yes.
17 MS. PRETTYMAN: Did you -- are you able
18 to ask the question on the archived data?
19 MR. DUFFEY: And your name -- tell me
20 your name.
21 MS. PRETTYMAN: Amanda Prettyman. Sorry,
22 my handwriting is messy.
23 MR. DUFFEY: But there are two questions.
24 Nothing says --
25 MS. PRETTYMAN: Primarily the archived
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1 one -- archived data.
2 MR. DUFFEY: These questions both have to
3 do with what Dominion testing and --
4 MS. PRETTYMAN: But there's no
5 (inaudible).
6 MR. DUFFEY: In your system, Mr. Poulos,
7 what is it within the system that archives
8 data? If there is more than one place --
9 MR. POULOS: I'm -- I'm sorry, Chairman.
10 I'm having difficulty hearing that question.
11 Can you repeat that? Maybe it’s the mic
12 problem again?
13 MR. DUFFEY: You're catching on. In your
14 system, in what places is data archived?
15 MR. POULOS: Great question. So I'll --
16 I'll start with the -- the ballot box which is
17 obviously a critical piece of it. So the
18 voter verified paper ballots is where -- the
19 most important part of the election. And that
20 is under locked and sealed -- physically
21 locked and sealed ballot box. In addition to
22 that, we now have images of every ballot and
23 scanned image as it went through the
24 tabulator. Immediately following that
25 independent voter verified review of their
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1 paper ballot. That is done in triplicate
2 form. So on the tabulator we have three
3 pieces of -- we have three discreet pieces of
4 electronic memory that hold that information
5 for every ballot cast in that ballot box on
6 election day.
7 At the close of that election, so if you
8 bear with me, I'm working from immediate close
9 of election. Back to reporting official
10 results. On that tabulator as I said we have
11 three discreet pieces of memory. One that is
12 -- so that they are separately locked and
13 sealed in full view of the public. And on as
14 far as how they're stored digitally on the
15 electronic media, they are both signed --
16 digitally signed and digitally encrypted per
17 Election Assistance Commission's standards the
18 so called BBSG standards.
19 At the close of election, we print
20 multiple copies of the results tape. So now
21 we at this -- at this immediate point maybe a
22 minute following all polls closed, probably
23 less. We have the physical ballots in the
24 ballot box. We have three discreet copies all
25 digitally signed and encrypted that -- that
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1 have to -- that each set of results. So an
2 independent copy of each of the ballots. And
3 now we have multiple print -- print tapes that
4 show the accumulated results of what's in the
5 ballot box. So if there's a 100 ballots,
6 it'll say there's a 100 ballots cast in the
7 ballot box that can be independently verified.
8 And then the results by candidate by contest
9 for the entirety of the election that is
10 sitting in that ballot box.
11 It's typical that you might have four or
12 five copies of that. So one publicly posted.
13 One given to parties perhaps another if
14 there's -- if there's a bi-partisan poll
15 watcher that happens to request a copy. And
16 then a copy goes back with the ballot box.
17 With the tabulator and with the ballot box
18 that has the locked and sealed ballots.
19 When that; however, some jurisdictions do
20 it differently, but ultimately one of the
21 memory cards that sits in that tabulator is
22 removed. So in -- in a -- in a -- in an open
23 and transparent process, in front of poll
24 watchers, the seal is physically cut and
25 unlocked and that -- that memory card is
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1 removed and then read into a central computer.
2 And while it forms the basis of -- of results
3 becoming official, through a very exhaustive
4 process called canvas. It is just one part of
5 it. So if anyone even has the allegation that
6 the -- from the time that memory card is
7 removed from the digital scanner and put into
8 the computer. Or if there's an allegation
9 that the computer somehow is -- has been
10 corrupted, the chain of custody has been
11 breached, you always can -- so not only do you
12 have that version that sits there. And even
13 the allegation is -- is -- is -- is a case
14 worthy to discuss here because we still have
15 the other memory card that is still locked and
16 is still sealed and remains in the secure
17 chain of custody of that jurisdiction. And up
18 to at least a minimum of -- at least 24
19 months. And sometimes more if there's any
20 kind of dispute. And above and beyond that,
21 we have the physical print tapes that -- as a
22 -- as a matter of protocol in the canvass
23 process is they are compared.
24 And ultimately the last and, again, the
25 most important part are the -- the actual
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1 paper ballot that have been voter verified and
2 locked and sealed in -- in the secure chain of
3 custody of that election official. So by my
4 count you have at least one being the paper
5 ballots. You have two and three are the
6 removable memory cards. The fourth one would
7 be the other memory card that is -- that is
8 yet another -- provides another copy of the
9 tabulator and five would be the -- the print
10 tape, which is actually five a, b, c, d, e
11 because you have multiple copies that have
12 been printed immediately following the poll
13 close. And then distributed to candidates.
14 To poll watchers and publicly posted.
15 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Thank you.
16 MS. PRETTYMAN: Can you ask him to verify
17 if -- if it's not safe for the compact flash
18 drive --
19 MR. DUFFEY: Excuse me -- are you a
20 lawyer?
21 MS. PRETTYMAN: No. I'm not.
22 MR. DUFFEY: Are you a litigant in a
23 case?
24 MS. PRETTYMAN: No. I'm a citizen. And
25 it's an issue in my county and that's what
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1 we're trying to figure out because Dominion
2 told us this. So I -- so I appreciate
3 (inaudible). I'm just trying to determine --
4 because I didn't quite catch the heart of the
5 matter which is -- the records that are
6 missing because they weren't safe from the
7 compact flash drive, we were told by Dominion
8 that they’re archived --
9 MR. DUFFEY: Well, that's -- that's --
10 MS. PRETTYMAN: -- irretrievable.
11 MR. DUFFEY: Because that's -- because
12 that's specific to you, this presentation is
13 not for specific questions about specific
14 election offices. It's generally his
15 description of the process and I think that he
16 has -- he has --
17 MS. PRETTYMAN: It could be other places,
18 like I said, if we’re wondering if --
19 MR. DUFFEY: Well, what could be and is,
20 you know, if you want to, you can send me in
21 this dedicated email, send your question.
22 MS. PRETTYMAN: Okay.
23 MR DUFFEY: And I'll send it to them to
24 see if he and, I mean, because they are
25 involved in a lot of litigation too. I'll see
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1 if they're able to answer that. I think
2 that's the best way to handle that. Okay.
3 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But, we're interested
4 too.
5 MR. DUFFEY: Well, I know there are a lot
6 of interesting things that you're interested
7 in, but the purpose of this meeting is
8 informational. It's not about what's
9 happening in specific election offices or
10 specific counties or specific precincts. The
11 purpose of this is to give you and I think
12 he's actually been generous and going beyond
13 what the explanation is of the system. And
14 every question I've gotten that relates to the
15 system, I've asked. But this --
16 MS. BRADSHAW: I did ask about the poll
17 pads being count -- they're -- they were --
18 there was poll pads that was wrong, had the
19 wrong precinct on it.
20 MR. DUFFEY: Yeah. One particular
21 precinct, correct?
22 MS. PRETTYMAN: Yeah. But in general --
23 MR. DUFFEY: Because he has -- he doesn't
24 -- his system doesn't include poll pads.
25 MS. PRETTYMAN: Pardon?
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1 MR. DUFFEY: Does the Dominion system is
2 a poll pad part of that system?
3 MS. PRETTYMAN: Yes. That's -- that's
4 how you -- the person comes in. They give you
5 their driver's license. And it -- it checks
6 if they're a registered voter. And all that
7 works together.
8 MR, DUFFEY: Okay. We're going to take a
9 10-minute break and we'll be back at quarter
10 till.
11 MR. POULOS: Thank you very much,
12 Chairman. I appreciate the opportunity.
13 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you, Mr. Poulos.
14 Appreciate you being here and thank you for
15 your answers.
16 MR. POULOS: Have a great day. Bye.
17 MR. DUFFEY: You too. Thank you.
18 (Break taken.)
19 MR. DUFFEY: Can everybody please take
20 their seats. Sorry, would everyone please
21 take their seats. Seats are those pieces of
22 furniture that are in front of the desks.
23 The next is to give you a brief update on
24 the Coffee County investigation. This is a
25 little hard to do because there are really two
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1 issues. So it might sound as if things are
2 not being presented in chronological order.
3 They're not exactly in chronological order
4 because -- but I will tell you when something
5 that comes up that's not in chronological
6 order, why it's not in chronological order
7 because what happened and when it was
8 discovered are two different tracks. So I'll
9 do my best on doing that.
10 As you -- and you inevitably know there
11 is a ongoing criminal investigation and while
12 I have -- I know who the investigators are,
13 the GBI, and -- and the Secretary of State's
14 Office investigators who are assigned to us to
15 investigate and have great confidence in them.
16 It is still a criminal investigation. When I
17 was a United States attorney it was our policy
18 that whenever anybody asked about where we
19 were in the investigative process, you don't
20 disclose that. For one principle reason is
21 that investigations have to be conducted
22 according to the investigative approach that
23 the people that are actually responsible for
24 the investigation want to take. And there are
25 lots of reasons why they follow the path that
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1 they follow in an investigation, and if we
2 were give you an update as far as who's being
3 interviewed. When they're being interviewed.
4 What are the topics. They would -- they would
5 lose the -- what the design of their
6 investigative strategy which is to find out
7 what happened and who is responsible for it.
8 So almost everything that I'm going to
9 tell you although hopefully it'll be somewhat
10 more of a coherent fashion than the reporting
11 that there has been on it. But when things
12 went -- at one time were not known the fact
13 that they are now known and have been publicly
14 disclosed and there -- and there’s been very
15 little objection by anybody or correction as
16 to what happened. I -- I think you'll find --
17 what I hope is a more coherent presentation to
18 give you an idea of what happened, when --
19 when people knew about it and -- and who was
20 involved in a -- in a broad sense.
21 To the extent that there might be
22 information that I've learned, and if I can't,
23 you know, somebody might say, well, who's
24 that. And if I can't determine that, I'm not
25 going to say. Because I don't -- I'm not
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1 going to express to you anything where I am
2 not confident that the information is known
3 and verifiable.
4 I will say that what has been reported by
5 the national and local press, aligns with what
6 I learned out -- outside the criminal
7 investigation. And I think the conduct is --
8 is fairly clear and that you'll see where
9 Coffee County fits in a broader picture.
10 The conduct in Coffee County is similar
11 to the conduct in Atrium County, Michigan and
12 Clark County, Nevada. It's not entirely
13 clear, there's been a fair amount of reporting
14 on who was responsible for, you know, the
15 orchestration of the conduct. But I think it
16 is unclear as to who had specific
17 responsibilities within the organization and -
18 - and for our purposes what happened is what's
19 relevant. And not who was behind it. Because
20 what I want you to know is what happened in
21 Coffee County. So the focus of this review is
22 going to be not of Michigan or Nevada. It
23 will be on Coffee County, Georgia.
24 So the facts show that in March of 2021 a
25 phone call was disclosed in federal court
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1 litigation was that a person by the name of
2 Scott Hall stated that he had arranged for a
3 plane to travel to Coffee County. To image
4 hard drive information from voting equipment
5 in Coffee County. In the call, Mr. Hall
6 claimed that he received permission from
7 officials in Coffee County to do so. And that
8 Coffee County officials allowed people to
9 enter the office to obtain hard information on
10 hard drives.
11 The Secretary of State's Office became
12 aware of Mr. Hall's telephone remarks in
13 February 2022. So although that was
14 available, it was not known to the Secretary
15 of State's Office until February of 2022. And
16 the Secretary of State's Office reached a
17 conclusion a couple of months later that based
18 upon Mr. Hall's telephone conversation which
19 was had a lot of other information that he was
20 passing along in this call, only a part of
21 which dealt with this trip to Coffee County
22 and based upon what was known at that time,
23 the Secretary of State's Office concluded in
24 April of 2022 that there had not been a breach
25 of any equipment. Okay. So I just talked
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1 about what somebody learned in February 2022.
2 Now, let me go back to 2021. In June of
3 2021, which, of course, was after the 2020
4 election, when the new Coffee County Elections
5 Director became responsible for the Coffee
6 County Elections Office. Because the prior
7 director whose name is Mr. Campton was no
8 longer working there. And the circumstances
9 of that are unclear to me about why that
10 happened. There's been some reporting on it
11 but I don’t have any independent information
12 about that.
13 But anyway, when this new elections
14 director came in, they were unable to access a
15 computer server because of password had been
16 changed. They tried to -- with the -- with
17 the help of one Dominion employee they -- they
18 tried to bypass the new password to get access
19 to the -- to that server but couldn't. So a
20 decision was made that the Secretary of
21 State's Office would take possession of the
22 server. Bring it back to Atlanta. Maintain
23 it in Atlanta and to replace the server that
24 was taken to Atlanta with a new server.
25 Again, that's in June 2021. In August of
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1 2022, so now we're back into the current year,
2 information became publicly available showing
3 that on January 7th of 2021 a -- an Atlanta
4 firm that does forensic work and consulting by
5 the name of Sullivan|Strickler entered into a
6 retainer agreement to perform work to image
7 information on various types of devices in
8 Coffee County's election office.
9 Further, in -- in recent months there has
10 been video footage that -- that shows that
11 Coffee -- Coffee County permitted people to
12 enter the elections office and those same
13 videos, and some still pictures show that
14 Sullivan|Strickler employees were in the
15 Coffee County election office with local
16 officials. The images show Sullivan|Strickler
17 employees working in front of computers in the
18 office. Don't know exactly what they were
19 doing. But that's something that you -- that
20 you can see in these images.
21 And there -- and there were video depict
22 -- there were depictions -- visual depictions
23 of -- of hard and thumb drives tagged and
24 lying on the table. It looked like they had
25 been laid there in a orderly way. In -- so
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1 now, on July 28th -- so now we're before
2 August of 2022, so I'm going back in time a
3 bit. This is a disclosure when -- when people
4 found out about what happened in Coffee
5 County. But on July 28th, before any evidence
6 of the activities that I just described was
7 known to State officials. I was advised that
8 evidence showed that the server retrieved from
9 Coffee County in 2021 and maintained by the
10 Secretary of State's Office had been
11 forensically examined. And there was evidence
12 the data on it was downloaded to an external
13 hard drive.
14 I required this information to be
15 reported to the federal judge provided over
16 the federal litigation I mentioned. And --
17 and to be given detail about what was known
18 about -- about the attachment of a hard drive
19 to the -- to the computer in Coffee County.
20 The Board and the Secretary of State requested
21 that a criminal investigation be opened
22 immediately and that occurred.
23 The investigation is currently being
24 conducted for the Board by the investigations
25 of the division of the Georgia Bureau of
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1 Investigation with help from investigators in
2 the Secretary of State's Office assigned to
3 the Board. Because the conduct in Coffee
4 County paralleled conduct in other states, we
5 requested the Federal Bureau of Investigations
6 Office in the Southern District of Georgia to
7 participate in the investigation. Because the
8 request involves an election, it has to be
9 processed through channels that probably
10 ultimately decided (inaudible) justice in
11 Washington, D.C. I’ve called to get an update
12 on that and have not received it yet. Which
13 I'll just say from experience that doesn't
14 mean that the FBI isn't doing something maybe
15 in other states. So they could be involved,
16 but I don't know. I don't know what they're
17 doing, if anything, with respect to Coffee
18 County.
19 There's more recent -- so now I'll move
20 forward from July, there's more recent
21 information that has been disclosed that shows
22 that a different forensic firm visited the
23 Coffee County offices on January 26th of 2021
24 and were allowed into the offices by local
25 official, election officials. What happened
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1 inside the office or what the firm did inside
2 the offices in Coffee County is uncertain.
3 One final thing which doesn't directly
4 relate to Coffee County, but I wanted you to
5 know about it. On September 20th of 2022, I
6 received documents from an individual who had
7 obtained them through a Georgia open records
8 request, and they involved Spalding County.
9 These documents show communications between
10 Sullivan|Strickler and Spalding County Board
11 of Elections in August of 2021. And there is
12 an unexecuted engagement agreement for
13 forensic collection preservation of Spalding
14 County Elections Managing Systems. And
15 another Spalding County iPhone forensic
16 collections preservation engagement letter.
17 The purpose of the imaging is not clear,
18 but it could have well have related to -- to
19 Spalding County's desire to -- to have
20 available information at the time of this
21 collection was made because there might have
22 been either issued or could be issued an order
23 from a court requiring the information be
24 preserved and it could be that they wanted to
25 have an image because they thought they had a
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1 legal obligation to do that. But we're
2 investigating these communications and the
3 relationship to see -- to understand why
4 Sullivan|Strickler, a name which is now
5 familiar to us, was the firm that was talking
6 to them about that to see and assure us -- or
7 to disclose to us how it related, if at all,
8 to what happened in Coffee County or to -- or
9 to assure that it was totally different and
10 there for a different purpose.
11 As I said, a criminal investigation,
12 while I don't know the details of it. I can
13 tell you it is active and it's ongoing. I
14 can't tell you when it will be done, but the
15 purpose is to ultimately determine whether or
16 not there has been conduct that warrants
17 further review and then if necessary
18 prosecution.
19 Now, you can ask questions, but I’ve told
20 you everything I know. So I want to now go to
21 the risk-limiting audits. I'm going to ask
22 Blake Evans who's the Secretary of State's
23 Elections Director for the State to explain --
24 this is (inaudible) information to explain
25 what a risk-limiting audit is. What place
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1 they play in elections in Georgia? And while
2 you can submit to me questions, I'm going to
3 tell you that it has to pertain only to risk-
4 limiting audits and how they work. Thank you
5 for coming. This is Blake Evans.
6 MR. EVANS: All right. Thank you, Judge.
7 Does it sound okay? Can everybody hear me?
8 THE AUDIENCE: Turn the volume up.
9 MR. DUFFEY: Try that.
10 MR. EVANS: Testing. There we go.
11 THE AUDIENCE: That's good.
12 MR. EVANS: So I think what I would --
13 what I would like to do to start off the
14 discussion on risk-limiting audits is to take
15 kind of a -- of a little bit of a broad
16 approach on what audits are in elections. And
17 talk a little bit about how risk-limiting
18 audits came to be part of our practice in
19 Georgia. And then transition from that to the
20 risk-limiting audit that we have coming up
21 after November and talk about how that will be
22 conducted.
23 MR. DUFFEY: I think that's a good plan.
24 MR. EVANS: So why perform post-election
25 audits period, at all? And a big reason why
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1 we perform them is because we as election
2 officials we want to catch errors. We want to
3 -- we want to make sure that the outcome that
4 was certified was correct. To make sure that
5 the person that was -- that was indicated as
6 having won the election by the machine count
7 was the correct person.
8 And so typically when we talk about a
9 post-election audit whether it be a risk-
10 limiting audit or otherwise, you're looking at
11 a paper verifiable or a human readable
12 -- human readable text on a ballot. And
13 you're coming up with a hand tally that you
14 can then compare to the machine count. And
15 that's auditing the machines. You can't
16 really audit machines with those same
17 machines. That wouldn’t be an audit. You do
18 it separately, you do it with humans. You do
19 it with eyes looking at ballots and the text
20 on the ballot.
21 And then the other reason why we do it,
22 obviously, we want to catch errors, we want to
23 confirm the count. But we want to increase
24 public confidence in the election. And -- and
25 to me, you know, doing this, of course, we
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1 started it in 2020, but the public confidence
2 side of it, it's a little bit kind of
3 exercising. It's doing it consistently over a
4 long period of time that builds that habit.
5 And that -- and that creates kind of that
6 culture of auditing in Georgia elections. And
7 I think that's important.
8 The objective is to verify that the
9 machine count resulted in the correct winner,
10 and this is done by reading human readable
11 text that is on the ballot and coming up with
12 a tally using that text. Post-election audits
13 in the United States typically consist of
14 sampling some number of ballots after the
15 election to audit -- to audit the machine
16 count.
17 There are typically two categories, we're
18 talking about ballot audits that are used in
19 the United States. One is a -- what most
20 people call a traditional audit which is the
21 method that's been used by many jurisdictions
22 for -- for quite some time. And typically,
23 that will come with -- with some kind of a --
24 a random selection of a fixed percentage of
25 ballots or precincts. For example, I've been
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1 in a jurisdiction before in another state
2 where we would select about two percent. We'd
3 pull a couple of precincts out of a hat. And
4 those would be the precincts that -- that we
5 would audit. And that was a fixed percentage.
6 It was about two percent of the total number
7 of precincts.
8 And then there's the risk-limiting audit.
9 So you have kind of the traditional and then
10 you have the risk-limiting audit. So the
11 risk-limiting audit you may hear me refer to
12 it using the acronym RLA throughout the
13 presentation because that's commonly what it's
14 referred to as. But the RLA relies on
15 statistics and mathematics to determine the
16 number of ballots to be audited and whether
17 the outcome of the audits supports the outcome
18 of the machine count with a high degree of
19 confidence.
20 So one way to think about it is if it's
21 one of the things that impacts the number of
22 ballots to be audited greatly, is the margin
23 of victory in the contest. So if it's a wide
24 margin, you're only sampling a relatively
25 small number of ballots. If it's a small
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1 margin, you're sampling a very large number of
2 ballots. So one of the good things about RLAs
3 is they do adapt to the margin that you're
4 trying to audit in the county you're trying to
5 audit.
6 And just to provide a little bit of
7 background, my experience, when I first got
8 into elections working for a county office, it
9 was in Pensacola, Florida. And I can remember
10 after the first election that -- that I was
11 there for, it would have been in 2016. We had
12 paper ballots. And we did that fixed
13 percentage audit that I mentioned, and we did
14 that after every, every single election.
15 When I came to Georgia in 2019, of
16 course, our State was on the verge of getting
17 a new voting system with paper ballots that
18 would have human readable text. That could
19 then be audited. And so part of that process
20 was, and I wasn't necessarily a part of it,
21 but what Georgia was going through at that
22 time and the legislature and in the Secretary
23 of State's Office and the counties was
24 preparing for that new system. Preparing for
25 those paper ballots and the legislature passed
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1 a law to put in place audits to audit the --
2 the machines.
3 And that law is O.C.G.A. 21-2-498. And
4 that Code section clearly defined what risk-
5 limiting audits were. And talked through some
6 other things. And so what I'm going to do is
7 there are a few portions of that law that I
8 want to highlight. So 21-2-498, as soon as
9 possible, but no later than November 2020
10 general election, the local election
11 superintendents shall conduct pre-
12 certification tabulation audits for any
13 federal or state general election in
14 accordance with the requirements set forth by
15 rule or regulation by the State Election
16 Board. Audits under this Code section shall
17 be conducted by manual inspection of random
18 samples of the paper official ballots.
19 In conducting each audit, the local
20 election superintendent shall complete the
21 audit prior to the final certification of the
22 contest. Ensure that all types of ballots are
23 included in the audit. This is important. So
24 whether they were cast in person, by absentee
25 ballot, advanced voting, provisional ballots
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1 or otherwise. Then provide a report of the
2 unofficial final tabulated vote provided for
3 the unofficial final tabulated vote results
4 for the contest to the public prior to the
5 conduct of the audit. Complete the audit in
6 public view. That's extremely important.
7 Audits are -- are a very, very important part
8 of the election system. I'll talk about it in
9 a few minutes what we did in 2020. What we're
10 doing upcoming to make sure that they can be
11 viewed by the public. Provide details of the
12 audit to the public within 48 hours of
13 completion. And then it goes on to talk about
14 in the law, the State Election Board
15 promulgate rules. The Secretary of State
16 shall conduct a risk-limiting audit pilot
17 program with the risk limit not greater than
18 10 percent. And that the ending of the law
19 states that if such risk-limiting audit is
20 successful in achieving the specified
21 confidence level within five business days
22 following the election for which it was
23 conducted, then all audits performed by the
24 Code section shall be similarly conducted,
25 beginning not later than November 1st, 2024.
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1 So one of the things (unintelligible) the law
2 was that we the State were to be working
3 towards risk-limiting audits.
4 So that law was put in place, and I can
5 remember when I came to Georgia, I
6 participated in a pilot risk-limiting audit at
7 the county level before coming to the
8 Secretary of State's Office. And then after I
9 came to the Secretary of State's Office, I
10 participated in a pilot from the Secretary of
11 State's side. And it became clear that one of
12 the things that -- that we could do is instead
13 of training election officials on traditional
14 audits, and then down the road transitioning
15 to risk-limiting audits, which was what the
16 law wanted us to be at by 2024. That we could
17 start out at -- with doing risk-limiting
18 audits.
19 And so we -- we decided that that's what
20 we're going to train on. That's what we
21 wanted to do. And the State Elections Board
22 drafted a rule, and that rule is 183-1-15-.04.
23 And I'm going to highlight a few sections of
24 that.
25 It starts with following the November
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1 general elections in even numbered years, each
2 county shall participate in statewide risk-
3 limiting audit with a risk limit of not
4 greater than 10 percent. I'm going to pause
5 there.
6 So just to -- I want to define and
7 clarify what a risk limit is. And so when
8 you're -- when you're talking about auditing,
9 and you're talking about risk limits, you have
10 to designate for the algorithms that are going
11 to tell you how many -- how many ballots you
12 have to sample. A -- a risk limit and because
13 that will help determine how many ballots that
14 you have to pull. And so the risk limit if
15 it's 10 percent that means, essentially, would
16 you be satisfied with a 90 percent confidence
17 level at the end of your audit? And if the
18 answer's yes, then you can set 10 percent risk
19 limit you’re auditing fewer ballots. If you
20 would be satisfied with a 95 percent
21 confidence level, then you can set it at five
22 percent risk limit. You're going to be
23 auditing a few more ballots but -- but you're
24 going to have a higher degree of confidence in
25 the outcomes of the audit.
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1 And generally, what will happen is that
2 is to kickstart the process and then at the
3 end of the audit you'll have a report, and it
4 will tell you what your actual risk limit was
5 in the audit. For example, I remember one of
6 the audits that we conducted after the
7 Presidential preference primary in Fulton
8 County. I remember that one specifically. I
9 think it was a 10 percent risk limit or a five
10 percent risk limit. And the actual risk limit
11 after we audited the ballots was under one
12 percent. And we had that in the report
13 afterwards.
14 So going back to the State Election Board
15 rule, prior to county certification the
16 election superintendent of each county shall
17 prepare a ballot manifest. So a ballot
18 manifest is a document that lists all the
19 ballot containers following the election and
20 the number of ballots that are in each
21 container. Another word for container could
22 be batch. So a batch of ballots.
23 Going back to the rule, the contested
24 audit shall be selected by the Secretary of
25 State. The Secretary of State shall set a
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1 date, time, and location after the November
2 general election in even numbered years to
3 select which contest to audit. Such meeting
4 shall be open to the public. After selecting
5 the contest to audit, the Secretary of State
6 shall publicly announce which contest will be
7 audited and published the selected contest on
8 Secretary of State webpage.
9 In selecting the contest to audit, the
10 Secretary of State shall consider the below
11 criteria: The closeness of the reported
12 tabulation outcomes. The geographical scope
13 of the contest because we wanted it to be a
14 statewide audit, so it needed be a contest
15 across all counties. The number of ballots
16 counted in the contest. Any calls for concern
17 regarding the accuracy of the reported
18 tabulation outcome of the contest. Any other
19 benefits that may result in auditing certain
20 contests or the ability of the county to
21 complete the audit before the State
22 certification deadline.
23 And then another key part that was
24 reiterated in the State Election Board rule,
25 was that the audit shall be open to the public
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1 and public notice of the date, time and
2 location of the audit must be posted on the
3 county election office's website or if the
4 county election's office does not have a
5 website, in another prominent location. So
6 that was the first half of the rule.
7 The next half of the rule got into the
8 actual conduct of the audit. So the audit
9 shall be open to the view of public and press,
10 but no person except the persons designated by
11 the election superintendent or the
12 superintendent's authorized deputy shall touch
13 the ballot or ballot container. Each election
14 superintendents shall create audit teams
15 comprised of at least two sworn designees, so
16 they have to take an oath, and have to take an
17 oath, to assist with the audit. Chain of
18 custody for each ballot shall be maintained at
19 all times during the audit, including but not
20 limited to, a log of the seal numbers on the
21 ballot containers. Before and after
22 completing the manual audit.
23 For ballots marked by electronic ballot
24 markers, the auditors shall rely on the
25 printed text on the ballot to determine the
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1 voter's selection. For ballots marked by
2 hand, the auditor shall rely on the choices
3 indicated by the voter filling in the oval
4 adjacent to the candidate or question. So
5 there are other parts of the rule. Those are
6 the parts that I wanted to highlight.
7 And so with -- with the law and the --
8 and the State Election Board rule being set
9 and with -- with -- with those in mind, and
10 knowing that we wanted to move forward in 2020
11 with a risk-limiting audit. We had to select
12 a system or a vendor that could do a couple of
13 things for us. One, we needed from a
14 statistical and mathematic side, we needed a
15 system that can consume ballot manifests from
16 159 different entities. And so, for example,
17 Bartow County might have a ballot manifest
18 with 200 batches of ballots in it. This
19 system had to consume his ballot manifest
20 along with that of every other county and
21 create one long list. The total number of
22 batches in the 2020 election was somewhere
23 right around just -- just over 40,000 batches
24 in the State.
25 And so the system had to do that and then
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1 the system had to be able to run the
2 algorithms to determine, okay, how many
3 ballots based on the contest that's selected
4 need to be audited so that we have a
5 statistically significant sample and so that
6 when we do the hand tally, the outcome will
7 achieve the -- the confidence level that we
8 want.
9 And -- and going back to 2020, obviously,
10 the margin was very, very close. So what I
11 said earlier, the narrower the margin, the
12 more ballots there were to be sampled. So the
13 number of ballots to be sampled was so large,
14 well over two million ballots that it became
15 much more simpler and faster to hand count all
16 ballots statewide then to try randomly sample
17 2.5 million or however many ballots it was but
18 right around that number.
19 So what that does, when you're not
20 sampling anymore, your risk limit goes to zero
21 because you're literally counting all ballots.
22 So you have no risk limit set at that point.
23 Typically audits are samples. This was not.
24 The risk limit was set at zero.
25 Going back to the system that we use.
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1 That system that we chose was through a
2 company called Voting Works and the system
3 that was used was called ARLO. In Voting
4 Works some of the funding came from DHS and
5 CISA in order to create the ARLO tool which
6 they used in our jurisdiction as part of the
7 pilot program that they were doing in
8 cooperation with CISA and then a few other
9 jurisdictions, as well.
10 So we trained counties. Counties went
11 through and they -- there were 41,881 ballots
12 that they hand tallied over the span of about
13 six days, and they hand tallied those. The
14 error rate in the hand count can typically be
15 a little over one percent, around two percent.
16 The error rate when compared to the original
17 machine count that we had in 2020, was .73
18 percent so we were well under that. We
19 confirmed that outcome of the election through
20 that.
21 And so if we fast forward to today -- so
22 to be clear, that was according to the law,
23 the -- the one and only time that counties,
24 since the law was put into place, were
25 required to conduct a risk-limiting audit.
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1 The next election where they would be required
2 to conduct a risk-limiting audit is this
3 upcoming November 2022 election. There are
4 some counties that have conducted
5 risk-limiting audits since then. One of them
6 is in the room, Joseph Kirk in the back, he
7 conducts an audit after every single election
8 that he has. And that's a typical but I think
9 it is an excellent practice he's been able to
10 earn a lot of public confidence that way.
11 So fast forward to today, and thinking
12 about lessons that we've learned in 2020, and
13 what we plan to do in 2022. So we're still
14 using Voting Works. We're still using ARLO.
15 And we will be conducting a batch comparison
16 risk-limiting audit. Here's what that means:
17 After the election, the Secretary of State
18 will follow the State Election Board rule to
19 select whatever contest it is that will be
20 selected to audit. The counties will upload
21 their ballot manifests so their list of their
22 batch containers. Their list of ballots into
23 ARLO. And we'll -- we'll select a risk limit
24 because that's one of the things that we have
25 to do. Typically other jurisdictions -- I'll
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1 use Colorado for example, because they have
2 been using this style of audit for a while.
3 They set their risk limit around four to five
4 percent. We'll set it at probably at least
5 that, around five percent. We -- we may
6 decide to get higher. But that's something we
7 can discuss.
8 And then what counties will get is
9 instead of getting back a list of specific
10 ballots that they have to go pull, like we
11 were training for in 2020, we're using a
12 different style of risk-limiting audit. What
13 they will get is a list of batches that they
14 have to go pull. And they will be hand
15 tallying complete batches. Here's the good
16 thing about that. Is let's say that Appling
17 County gets told, go pull the batch from
18 precinct one in Appling County and do a hand
19 tally for that. Appling County will go,
20 they'll pull election day batch one. They'll
21 hand tally those ballots. They'll have the
22 results at the end. They can put the results
23 of their hand tally into ARLO.
24 And then at the end of the audit, once
25 all the counties have counted their batches,
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1 we'll publish all that information on our
2 website. We did that in 2020, but it will be
3 a report of the results of every batch in the
4 hand audit. And so anybody that wants to can
5 go and they can look and they can find the
6 batch from Appling County election day
7 precinct one. This is what the hand tally
8 was. They can look at scanner tapes, look at
9 something that was produced by the machines
10 themselves. And they can compare the results
11 by candidate. And so they can do that for
12 every -- any batch that's audited in the batch
13 comparison risk-limiting audit that we're
14 doing.
15 And so every county will be audited.
16 I'll go ahead and tell you that before I go
17 into more detail, we all know that the
18 election is on November the 8th, Tuesday,
19 November the 8th. Counties have to certify by
20 November the 15th. The start of the audit is
21 going to be Thursday, November the 17th and
22 then all counties have to be finished by
23 Tuesday, November the 22nd. So including the
24 start and end dates that's six days that they
25 have to complete the audit.
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1 Following that, we have all the results
2 we, again, just like we did in 2020, because
3 we want to be as transparent as possible,
4 we're going to put all that information, all
5 the batch sheets, all the tally sheets, all
6 the reports produced on the website so anybody
7 can go and look at it. All ballot types will
8 be audited. Every county will be auditing
9 during that timespan so every county will be -
10 - will have batches to audit. The audit will
11 be open to the public. There will be audit
12 monitors. One of the things that I will
13 highlight specifically and then we'll probably
14 be doing something very similar this time
15 around. But if we go back in how we trained
16 counties in 2020 and how we're training again.
17 One of the official election bulletins that
18 was put out by the Director of Elections for
19 our office at that time in 2020, spoke
20 specifically to public access and political
21 party monitors.
22 And I'm going to read you some exert of
23 that. The audit shall be open to the public
24 and the press. But no persons except the
25 persons designated by the superintendent shall
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1 touch any ballot or container. The
2 superintendent shall designate a viewing area
3 from which members of the public and press may
4 observe the audit for the purpose of good
5 order in maintaining the integrity of the
6 audit. The superintendent may also choose to
7 make the audit proceeding available via
8 livestream or webcast.
9 And then if I fast forward to another
10 official election bulletin that was put out
11 just a couple days after that one. We put out
12 an addendum that clarified that as an addendum
13 to the rules of political parties monitors and
14 because transparency should be a guiding
15 principle throughout this process. If the
16 election superintendent can safely allow --
17 because this was in the time of COVID -- if
18 election superintendents can safely allow more
19 than the minimum number of designated
20 political party monitors, consistent with
21 maintaining an orderly process, space
22 limitations and social distancing, public
23 health guidelines if you should. Please allow
24 as much transparency as you can while
25 maintaining a secure, orderly process in
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1 abiding your public health regulations.
2 So that's going to be the message again.
3 As much transparency during the audit process
4 as we can possibly get. It's going to be a
5 little bit easier this year because of things
6 related to the pandemic. But that's going to
7 be our message again and has been our message
8 so far.
9 So in order to start the audit, as
10 randomly as possible. Because we don't want
11 anybody to think that any of this was planned
12 out or that we knew what batches were coming.
13 As I mentioned, counties upload their ballot
14 manifest into ARLO. And then the algorithm
15 that runs has to have a -- has a random number
16 generator that is used to select the -- the
17 batches randomly.
18 But it's a little bit of fun thing, in
19 order for that to happen, the random number
20 generator needs to 20-digit number put into
21 that. And so as part as -- of the kickoff
22 process there will be 20, I think it's 10-
23 sided, 10-sided dice or die, that will be
24 rolled. So if -- Mark (unintelligible) is in
25 the room, I know you asked about that last
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1 week, I think. We have public in that
2 process, you know, we'll probably invite a few
3 people up. They can take a dice, they can
4 roll it, and the first number is three, the
5 first number that -- of the 20 digit number
6 will be three. And we'll go on until we have
7 a 20-digit number. We'll put that into the
8 system. ARLO will kickoff and that's when the
9 counties will be given the -- their list of
10 batches to go audit.
11 Then counties take their individual lists
12 notating which ballots they must pull to be
13 audited. Each county will have the number of
14 audit teams they think they need to complete
15 the audit. So we're giving counties six days.
16 We're telling them prepare for a slim margin.
17 And in the event that you have to count a lot
18 of ballots, make sure you can complete in that
19 timespan. And once counties receive the list
20 to be audited, they will begin on November the
21 17th.
22 So when the audit begins, let's say it's
23 the start of -- it's the start of the audit.
24 Everybody's starting on November 17th. If --
25 any county that you go into, you should see
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1 that their ballots are securely stored. They
2 have their batch sheet. So what they'll do is
3 they'll bring their ballots out of storage
4 with the proper chain of custody paperwork.
5 They'll take their ballots in their batch to a
6 check-in table, keep in mind every county,
7 will do this a little bit differently
8 depending on the size of the county. But
9 essentially, they'll take it to a check-in
10 table. A team at the check-in table will
11 check the seal on the -- on the batch. And
12 then that batch will be -- the -- the seal
13 will be broken. The batch taken to an audit
14 board team that's sworn an oath and then the
15 audit board team will hand tally the batch.
16 And they'll have results and then the results
17 will ultimately be put in ARLO.
18 Once the batch has finished being
19 audited, it will go to a check-out team. That
20 check-out team will make sure that the ballots
21 are stored in the batch. They'll seal it
22 back. They'll record the seal number and then
23 the batch will be returned to secure storage.
24 If there are questionable marks or anything
25 like that a ballot that needs to be looked at.
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1 There will be -- counties will have vote
2 review panels which are comprised just the
3 same way vote review panels are comprised for
4 any election. So the party nominees and the
5 election superintendent.
6 So at the end, counties will enter their
7 batch totals into ARLO. We will get the
8 reports under results of batches with the
9 batch names. One of the things I want to note
10 at this time, is that the batch names, because
11 I know a lot of folks like to go, they like to
12 look at the batches. And they want to try to
13 compare those to the machine tallies. So we
14 heard that feedback from 2020. The batch
15 names that are produced by ARLO should be very
16 close to the same or the exact same as what
17 comes out of the Dominion system. Again, that
18 makes it possible for anybody that wants to go
19 and compare what a Dominion machine got for
20 the count to what humans got for the count.
21 They can do that. So that makes that
22 possible.
23 So, again, after -- it'll be the Tuesday
24 before Thanksgiving that the audit will
25 conclude and then we will release the reports
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1 following that. Make them publicly available.
2 The 2020 documents are still on our website.
3 The Secretary of State's Election Division.
4 You can go -- click on the election results,
5 scroll down to the bottom, you'll see a link
6 to risk-limiting audit 2020. You can click
7 there and see all the documents.
8 We'll also start the process -- we'll
9 immediately make the reports available for
10 people go look at. And we'll also start the
11 process of collecting the batch sheets that
12 the counties use for -- because each
13 individual batch has its own tally, and it
14 goes on its own batch sheet, we’ll work on
15 collecting those and then posting those again.
16 So, again, the -- what we're -- what
17 we're striving for goes back to -- we want to
18 catch any errors, if there are any. We want
19 to confirm the outcome of the contest. We
20 want to build public confidence. That's what
21 we want to do. And I think doing that
22 consistently over -- over a period of time is
23 -- is the way to do that. We're -- we're
24 doing the audit in November. I know that I've
25 heard from multiple county election officials
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1 that there's a lot of interest even if the law
2 doesn't require it to do an audit following
3 the run-off as I mentioned Joseph in the back
4 from Bartow County does an audit after every
5 election, but audits are an extremely useful
6 tool. Building public confidence. Auditing
7 the machine. Being able to say that you
8 looked at the human readable text and you
9 confirmed the outcome based on that. It's
10 important.
11 So with that I'll take any -- any
12 questions that you have.
13 MR. DUFFEY: Well, I'm a little still
14 unclear about what a batch is.
15 MR. EVANS: Yeah. Good question. So a
16 batch. So the question was essentially what
17 is -- what is a batch?
18 And so there are different types of
19 voting methods. So you have election day.
20 You have absentee. And then you have advance
21 voting. For election day, typically, what a
22 batch will refer to is however many ballots
23 that were counted by a scanner. And so upon
24 election day, you had one scanner at your
25 polling place, 500 people came and voted, cast
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1 their ballot through the scanner, the ballots
2 drop into a ballot box. Then that batch for
3 the election day precinct will be 500.
4 If your election day precinct had two
5 scanners, then your election day precinct
6 would have two batches. Because each
7 scanner's going to print out its own
8 individual results -- results tape and you
9 want to be able to compare the results from
10 the batch to the tape.
11 For advanced voting, similar concept. If
12 you had over the course of three weeks, a
13 scanner that takes 5,000 ballots, then that
14 batch for that advanced voting location is
15 going to have 5,000 ballots in it.
16 For absentee, let's say a county gets in
17 2,000 absentee batches (sic), they can have --
18 generally what counties will do is they'll --
19 they'll cap their batches --
20 MR. DUFFEY: You -- you mean 2,000 -- you
21 mean 2,000 absentee ballots? You said
22 batches.
23 MR. EVANS: Yes, I'm sorry. 2,000 --
24 2,000 absentee batches (sic) beginning back in
25 2020 territory. I don't think we're going to
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1 quite hit that. But -- but 2,000 absentee
2 ballots -- generally what a county will do is
3 they'll cap each batch at about 50. And so
4 they'll take 50 ballots, they'll run those
5 through the scanner. That'll be batch --
6 that'll be absentee batch one. They'll take
7 the next 50 and run those through the scanner,
8 absentee batch two. And so on until they
9 complete the process.
10 And then a similar process with
11 provisionals. So if there are 25 provisionals
12 after the election, that are to be counted,
13 oftentimes those will be in their own batch.
14 Counties will run those through. That'll be
15 provisional batch one.
16 MR. DUFFEY: So the question is: Are the
17 actual ballots, which I assume are the paper
18 ballots? Is that what you're talking about?
19 Isn't this your -- is this your question?
20 MS. BRADSHAW: Mine, yes.
21 MR. DUFFEY: When you say actual ballot,
22 you mean the paper ballots that are --
23 MS. BRADSHAW: The paper ballots that go
24 into the ballot box.
25 MR. DUFFEY: Right. Are they used for --
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1 are those the ballots used for the audit?
2 MR. EVANS: Yes. Yes. Those are the --
3 the ballots that the audit teams are doing the
4 hand tally --
5 MS. BRADSHAW: And do people just tally
6 or are those ballots run through the scanners
7 again?
8 MR. EVANS: So the -- the audit will be -
9 - that's a good question -- so the question
10 was: Do people tally or are the batches --
11 are the ballots ran through the scanner? The
12 audit would be conducted completely separate
13 from the machines. And so it will be
14 generally what -- what folks will do is what
15 we call sort and stack method.
16 And so if it's candidate A and candidate
17 B, and they have a batch of 50, the first
18 thing they'll do when they get that batch of
19 50 is they'll sort into candidate A, candidate
20 A, candidate A, candidate B. And then once
21 they've sorted the ballots that way, they'll
22 count the pages. They'll count the ballots.
23 And that's how they come up with their tally.
24 MR. DUFFEY: Well, this question, Mr.
25 Balbona, wants us to know whether or not
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1 there's a specific article authored by a
2 fellow by the name of Phillip Stark. I'm
3 going to say this. I have read so much I
4 don't know who wrote what. So I couldn't
5 answer that question. I may have. I may not
6 have.
7 MR. BALBONA: That was a personal letter.
8 He's the creator of Risk Limiting Audits and
9 gave a letter to Brad Raffensperger and talks
10 about us using RLAs with the Dominion
11 (inaudible). I just wondering if everyone up
12 there on the podium has read it.
13 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Is that the --
14 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Could you speak into
15 the microphone, please?
16 MR. BALBONA: He says it's election
17 (inaudible).
18 MR. DUFFEY: I'm -- I'm going to say the
19 same thing. I get so much paper and there
20 have been a number of letters, I mean, I don’t
21 remember that. But I'm not saying -- and I'm
22 going to say -- and I'm not going to make
23 everybody else do this memory test about what
24 they had --
25 MR. BALBONA: I mean, he's literally the
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1 creator of Risk Limiting Audits he -- he came
2 up with it.
3 MR. DUFFEY: Oh, I understand that.
4 The question is whether or not -- and who
5 wrote this? This tiny little one.
6 MS. DUFORT: I'm sorry.
7 MR. DUFFEY: And your name, please?
8 MS. DUFORT: Jeanne DuFort. Jeanne
9 DuFort.
10 MR. DUFFEY: Has a decision been made as
11 to how many statewide contests are going to be
12 audited?
13 MR. EVANS: So the -- the plan right now
14 as the -- the law requires is to audit one
15 contest statewide following November. And
16 then as I -- as I mentioned, I have heard
17 feedback from county election officials that
18 there's interest in -- in auditing a contest
19 following the runoff. And -- and I'll say
20 again, I think the -- the best way to be able
21 to -- to build public confidence by using
22 audits is to do it consistently over a period
23 of time. And so I think it's a very good idea
24 in the future for us to look at ways how to
25 audit after every contest similar to how
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1 Joseph does. Similar to what, you know, other
2 -- other county election officials are
3 starting to do because there's -- there's a
4 lot of county election officials that see the
5 significance and the importance of audits.
6 But to go back to the original question.
7 Looking at one contest following November.
8 MR. DUFFEY: And where does the -- how do
9 you determine what the confidence rate that
10 you're seeking is -- is going to be. Then how
11 do you determine whether it's met or not.
12 MR. EVANS: Yeah. That's a good
13 question. So that -- that goes back to the --
14 the risk limit that -- that we were talking
15 about. So the law says that it needs to be a
16 minimum -- or that it they cannot be any
17 higher than 10 percent. And then once you
18 complete the audit, based on the -- the
19 results of the hand tally. The report will --
20 will tell you what you're actual risk limit
21 was. So initially, the -- the number that
22 you're selecting is to help kickoff the
23 process. To help determine how many ballots
24 you want to start auditing. It's not
25 necessarily based on what the hand tally is,
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1 what's your risk limit will end up being.
2 But, again, if we look at other
3 jurisdictions, and what they typically do,
4 with risk-limiting audits, ranges from four or
5 five to 10 percent. So we might do something
6 in lines with that. But what we want to do is
7 we want to make sure that every county is --
8 that we're auditing enough ballots and that
9 every county's participating in the audit. We
10 want to make sure that as the State Election
11 Board rule and the law says, we're auditing
12 every type of ballot, (unintelligible)
13 ballots, absentee, hand marked ballots.
14 And so then -- then at the end once we do
15 that and then like I said, we'll get that
16 report that says what the actual risk limit
17 was.
18 MR. DUFFEY: And when you quoted this 10
19 percent figure, you referred to a law. What
20 law is that? Where's that law at?
21 MR. EVANS: So at the end of O.C.G.A. 21-
22 2-498. It says the Secretary of State shall
23 conduct a risk-limiting -- and this is talking
24 about the pilot programs. But conduct a risk-
25 limiting audit pilot program with a risk of
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1 not greater than 10 percent. And so that's
2 typically what we used for the audit. And
3 then if you go to the State Election Board
4 rule 183-1-15-.04, following November general
5 elections in even numbered years each county
6 shall participate in a statewide risk-limiting
7 audit with the risk limit of not greater than
8 10 percent as set forth in this rule prior to
9 the certification by the Secretary of State.
10 MR. DUFFEY: Who -- how do you determine
11 who's going to be on an audit team?
12 MR. EVANS: So how do you determine who's
13 going to be on an audit team? So counties
14 usually use that State Election Board rule
15 that I referenced to be their -- their guide
16 for who they could ask. And I'll read from
17 that rule.
18 The election superintendent shall create
19 audit teams comprised of at least two sworn
20 designees to assist with the audit. The
21 superintendent may designate non-employees to
22 assist with the audit process. All persons
23 who the superintendent designates to assist
24 with the audit shall take and sign an oath
25 that they will conduct the audit accurately
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1 and securely prior to assisting with the
2 audit. And I know one of the things the
3 county do in practice is they'll reach out to
4 the poll workers first and give them the
5 opportunity.
6 MR. FERGUSON: There’s follow-up part to
7 that question, sir.
8 MR. DUFFEY: It's a repeat question about
9 Phillip Stark. He's here to explain how the
10 audit process works.
11 MR. FERGUSON: No. If there is no --
12 MR. DUFFEY: Excuse me it’s not --
13 MR. FERGUSON: -- if there is public
14 access, can it be stated at the public can be
15 placed on it and actually see what is going
16 on. Like Fulton County won't let you within
17 30 feet.
18 MR. EVANS: Yes, for sure, that's what's
19 outlined in the rule is that and it's -- put
20 the official election bulletin was that
21 everybody should have access to be able to see
22 what's going on. Now, if it's, you know, and
23 I say that knowing that where we were at in
24 2020. And having the audits of the ballots,
25 if you have 75 audit teams and you're --
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1 you're standing watching one audit team, you
2 may not be able to see what the audit team way
3 over on the other side of the room is doing.
4 But if you find yourself in a position where
5 you do not have access to be able to see -- to
6 be able to see audit teams. Be able to see
7 the audit, that is something our office would
8 -- would want to know.
9 MR. DUFFEY: What have you done to ensure
10 that these audits will, in fact, work in the
11 Dominion system?
12 MR. EVANS: So the question was: What
13 have you done to make sure they'll work with
14 the Dominion system.
15 So work with Voting Works the ballots
16 have human readable text. And so the audit
17 itself, is conducted separate from any machine
18 or equipment company period. So as long as
19 there's a human -- human readable text that
20 you have an audit team look at the ballot.
21 See what the choices are and tally -- hand
22 count that way. The audit would work with any
23 kind of system.
24 MR. DUFFEY: So the -- the audit is
25 really taking the produced paper ballot which
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1 is reviewed by the elector who puts it into
2 the scanner. Then you compare that paper
3 ballot against the machine count?
4 MR. EVANS: Correct.
5 MR. LINDSEY: Quick question sort of
6 leading part of the question that was asked a
7 moment ago. If -- if there is a question that
8 a -- that an authorized observer has regarding
9 a county's compliance with public access, how
10 do they get ahold of the Secretary of State's
11 Office to have that addressed? And I think
12 it'd be important for folks to know that.
13 MR. EVANS: Yes. So we do have our --
14 and one -- one of the easiest ways to do it is
15 just as far as what we put in public
16 communication, is to go to our website and on
17 our online form there. But we do have our --
18 I'm going to call him out real quick. Nic
19 what is our --
20 MR. LINDSEY: You can call a friend if
21 you need to.
22 MR. EVANS: Yeah -- yeah. So -- so
23 [email protected] that would be a great way
24 to reach us that way. But, I mean, if you're
25 having an issue with meaningful access at a --
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1 at an audit location, the best thing to do is
2 to talk to the superintendent -- the election
3 superintendent there. And to -- to address --
4 to try to address it that way. Because a lot
5 of times if they know about it, they'll
6 resolve it.
7 MR. LINDSEY: But if they don't, how do
8 they get ahold of the Secretary of State's
9 Office?
10 MR. EVANS: Yeah. A great way to do that
11 would be call us.
12 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What's the number?
13 MR. EVANS: You can call us. And then
14 there's [email protected].
15 MR. NORTHEN: There's also a really
16 convenient contact us form on our website.
17 And it is staffed, and those submissions do
18 get circulated amongst our team and sent over
19 to either investigations or our team will
20 contact a county official based on, you know,
21 an inquiry that was submitted that way. So
22 there's -- there's a few -- a few ways to do
23 it. Like, Blake mentioned, calling us. But -
24 - but that -- that form on our website
25 immediately triggers an email to multiple
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1 members of the election staff. So it's kind
2 of the -- the best way to reach multiple folks
3 at once, if you will.
5 MR. FERGERSON: What’s the time limit?
6 MR. NORTHEN: sos.ga.gov.
7 MR. EVANS: Yeah. Okay. What was the
8 question?
9 MR. FERGERSON: The question dealt with a
10 timely response. What you're talking about
11 will take a month.
12 MR. EVANS: I wouldn't say that. I get -
13 - we get stuff that comes to our office pretty
14 -- pretty quickly. And if it's, I mean, if
15 it's -- we respond to it as fast as we can.
16 And if there's something that needs an urgent
17 response like we're in the middle of an audit,
18 and there are people that can't get access,
19 which is something that qualifies as needing
20 an urgent response. We'll get somebody on it.
21 MR. DUFFEY: So this question is about
22 the photography rule which Judge Brouillette
23 struck down. I don't think he struck it down.
24 MR. BALBONA: He said it was too broad.
25 MR. DUFFEY: I think he struck it down.
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1 Well, first of all, I don't remember in the
2 opinion how he described who -- what?
3 MR. BALBONA: He said it was too broad.
4 MR. DUFFEY: Well, what I'm saying is, I
5 think the details of what he struck down --
6 MR. BALBONA: What he struck down was
7 saying that you could never take a picture of
8 any -- or video any ballot that's been cast.
9 But there's no identifying information on the
10 ballot or there shouldn't be. So it makes no
11 sense.
12 MR. DUFFEY: Well -- well, you'll have to
13 take that up with Judge Brouillette.
14 MR. BALBONA: My point is that the county
15 won’t do it and even when I handed DeKalb
16 County the printout of the ruling, they still
17 wouldn't let me.
18 MR. DUFFEY: I don’t want to argue about
19 your desire to video. But has that happened
20 since Judge Brouillette's ruling which was
21 really pretty recently?
22 MR. BALBONA: That was after. It was
23 after.
24 MR. DUFFEY: What election was that?
25 MR. BALBONA: That was the (inaudible).
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1 It was the democratic recount in DeKalb
2 County.
3 MR. DUFFEY: What I would do is I would
4 talk to DeKalb County and ask why they did
5 that in light of Judge Brouillette's ruling.
6 MR. BALBONA: I have, and I asked them if
7 they could cite what O.C.G.A they are using
8 (inaudible) and I said, you're not just
9 pulling it out of your butt? And she said,
10 yes. We're just pulling it out of our butt.
11 And I have it on tape if you want to hear it.
12 MR. DUFFEY: Did you file a complaint on
13 them?
14 MR. BALBONA: I did. And if Sarah
15 (inaudible) was here maybe she could tell me
16 the status of that. But apparently the system
17 that SOS uses can't look up complaints per
18 complainant.
19 MR. DUFFEY: Yeah.
20 MR. BALBONA: That seems very archaic.
21 MR. DUFFEY: I'll talk to her and see
22 where your complaint stands.
23 MR. BALBONA: Thank you.
24 MR. DUFFEY: Sara you wanted to ask a
25 question?
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1 MS. GHAZAL: Thank you, yes. I wanted to
2 clarify that batch is not necessarily equal
3 precinct, correct? So in the case of -- of
4 election day voting, a batch of ballots may or
5 may not be the total for the precinct if a
6 precinct has more than one scanner it could be
7 just one scanner. But in a case of early
8 voting and absentee voting, those could be
9 from any and all precincts across the county;
10 that's correct, right?
11 MR. EVANS: Correct. So to -- to go back
12 to the first part. If you have two scanners
13 at an election day location, and you each --
14 one scanner took in 600 ballots and the other
15 scanner took 400 ballots those are two
16 separate batches. So the 400 batch ballot --
17 ballot batch gets selected to be audited, then
18 the results from that -- will -- can be
19 compared for the scanner tape for that one
20 scanner, but it wouldn't be the -- the entire
21 polling locations.
22 MS. GHAZAL: Right.
23 MR. EVANS: Same thing with absentees.
24 There are reports. It's -- there are reports
25 that break it out -- that break out results by
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1 batch. And so somebody could take a report
2 like that in the Dominion system and compare
3 the results that way. If -- if they wanted to
4 for the absentee batch.
5 MS. GHAZAL: Thank you. I just wanted to
6 make sure that folks understand that it's not
7 going to be a one to one comparison between
8 what they find on the Secretary of State's
9 website which reports by precinct versus
10 reporting by a batch. Those are different
11 groups of ballots and it's possible to make
12 that comparison. But it -- it could be
13 confusing if you're not -- if you don't
14 understand what you’re --
15 MR. EVANS: Correct.
16 MR. DUFFEY: This risk limitation audit
17 you find some discrepancy, what's the process
18 for addressing a discrepancy?
19 MR. EVANS: That's a good question. So
20 you have the initial sample of ballots. So
21 ARLO has given each county a list of batches
22 to go and look at. And to report the results
23 from. If when those results are put into
24 ARLO, if -- if they don't align with the
25 results from the machine count, what ARLO will
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1 tell you is we're going to a second round of
2 auditing. We're going to audit more batches.
3 And you will continue that process if you
4 continue to find errors and discrepancies
5 until you have audited all ballots. And if
6 you audit -- if you get to that point where
7 you have audited all ballots, and you find
8 there was an issue with the election, then it
9 is before a State certification. So the
10 counties who find errors could re-certify.
11 And ensure that the State can certify the
12 correct results.
13 MS. PRETTYMAN: I suppose is that what
14 you’re recommending for the discrepancies in
15 hand counts ballots for the primary? Do you
16 recommend counties pursue that?
17 MR. EVANS: What was that -- I could not
18 hear.
19 MS. PRETTYMAN: My question: In -- in
20 the primary there had been hand counts that
21 had discrepancies. And so, I guess, what
22 you're recommending is that we pursue that
23 further and count more?
24 MR. EVANS: You said there was a hand
25 count that had discrepancies?
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1 MS. PRETTYMAN: Yes. Multiple counties
2 and it hasn’t been dealt with --
3 MR. EVANS: Hand -- hand counts are
4 generally less reliant than machine counts.
5 And so I wouldn’t be surprised if they had
6 discrepancies.
7 MS. PRETTYMAN: No. They were
8 (inaudible) --
9 MR. DUFFEY: I'm going to let you take
10 that up. That's not about generally, Risk
11 Limitation Audits, that's a complaint you have
12 with respect to a specific election. So your
13 option is to bring that to the attention of
14 whomever you want to. But this is not the
15 place.
16 This -- this is -- your question has
17 nothing to do with risk limitation audit so
18 I'm not going to ask if it's a complaint about
19 past elections.
20 MS. PRETTYMAN: Well, that --
21 MR. DUFFEY: It -- it says here, from
22 previous elections and push back. So I'm not
23 going to ask that question. But if you -- you
24 also have options, if you want to be more
25 precise about what your concern is, you can
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1 submit to the dedicated email address, and
2 I’ll see that if it's -- it makes sense to
3 have a response that will get in the hands of
4 the right person.
5 Who asked this question?
6 MS. STEVENS: I believe that's mine, sir.
7 MR. DUFFEY: And your name?
8 MS. STEVENS: Nan Stevens.
9 MR. DUFFEY: This is a question of how --
10 how -- well, I’ll read it to you -- it's what
11 is the use of the QR code in auditing if we're
12 -- if the written ballot is being used to
13 verify the vote.
14 MR. EVANS: So really the QR code is not
15 used for anything in an audit. You're using
16 the human readable text.
17 MS. STEVENS: So why do we even have it
18 on the ballot?
19 MR. EVANS: So the machine reads the QR
20 code. And then you audit to audit the machine
21 count to confirm you've got the right outcome.
22 MS. STEVENS: Both you and the previous
23 presenter have always stated that you're going
24 to go back to written readable text when doing
25 an audit. So my question is: Because they
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1 make machines that can read readable text.
2 What is the purpose of the QR code?
3 MR. EVANS: So our scanners can read the
4 ballots.
5 MS. STEVENS: So the scanners --
6 MR. DUFFEY: Excuse me.
7 MS. STEVENS: -- are not reading the
8 readable text, they're only reading the QR
9 code?
10 MR. EVANS: The scanners read the QR
11 codes.
12 MS. STEVENS: Thank you, sir.
13 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: In violation of the
14 law.
15 MS. STEVENS: And both you and the other
16 fellow --
17 MR. DUFFEY: Excuse me. Excuse me. This
18 is not your chance to argue with the
19 presenter.
20 MS. STEVENS: Yes, sir.
21 MR. DUFFEY: If you want to do something
22 that's more elaborate or make your point
23 again, you can do it in writing and submit it
24 to the website.
25 MS. STEVENS: Yes, sir.
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1 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you. Can counties do
2 other kinds of audits if they so desire?
3 NR, EVANS: Yes. Yeah. There have been
4 counties that have gone -- like Bartow but
5 many others, I just say, Joseph because he's
6 in the room, who can conduct audits. The --
7 the preference especially if you're -- you're
8 auditing a -- if you're auditing a state
9 contest, like for counties that may have
10 conducted audits in -- in May is to complete
11 the audit before State certification. But I
12 think, I don’t know, Ryan, if you want to say
13 anything more to that. But -- but, yes,
14 counties can go above and beyond the rule that
15 is written.
16 MR. DUFFEY: And who wrote the little
17 note with the butterfly?
18 MS. CRUZ: That's my question.
19 MR. DUFFEY: And your name is?
20 MS. CRUZ: Victoria Cruz, Athens,
21 Georgia.
22 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you. In case you
23 haven't gotten the drift here your name should
24 be on your question.
25 MS. CRUZ: I'm sorry. I didn't
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2 MR. DUFFEY: Okay. Any -- any other
3 questions from the Board?
4 DR. JOHNSTON: Yes. So thank you so very
5 much for this presentation. I think audits
6 are the important piece of an election these
7 days to confirm that the outcome is correct.
8 And also, to provide some confidence in the
9 outcome. There are -- there are some
10 assumptions and requirements for RLAs that we
11 -- we need to all be aware of and one of
12 course is correct tabulation by the machines.
13 We also need to make sure that all the results
14 are complete and in and frozen and unchanged
15 throughout the audit process. So that
16 counties can't go back and rearrange their
17 data. There needs to be an -- an accurate and
18 trustworthy paper trail with proper and
19 documented chain of custody for every step of
20 the way involving the ballot -- all the
21 ballots. Like you said, thank you, are
22 included in the audit and very important is
23 the ballot manifest and we need to make sure
24 that all counties have an accurate ballot
25 manifest or the RLA will fail. So things to
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1 be aware of. I would encourage bi-partisan
2 participation in witnessing of the chain of
3 custody of the ballots even to the point of
4 retrieval of the ballots from the secure
5 storage brought to the audit table. I think
6 there are plenty of willing bi-partisan folks
7 that would sign up to be a part of that team.
8 Not to touch the ballots, but just to witness
9 the transfer. And I would encourage
10 livestream video of the audit.
11 In the medical -- in the science world,
12 statistical significance is generally agreed
13 upon to be the point (inaudible) level .05
14 percent -- .05 which is a five percent max on
15 as far as a risk limit. So I would be -- I
16 would expect a -- a RLA to be that at least or
17 better. And also, what do you see in the
18 future, if you had a perfect world as far as
19 audits? What would you recommend for -- for
20 Georgia?
21 MR. EVANS: That's a big question. I
22 didn't know I was going to get that. I want
23 to see audits after every election. I think
24 that's something we've discussed in our -- our
25 office. And I think we -- I think we all like
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1 that idea. I think it's good for -- for
2 counties. I think one thing to keep in mind
3 with this particular audit that we have coming
4 up is for -- for many counties the -- the law
5 is written such that the audit is conducted
6 after even year general elections, so for many
7 counties they have not conducted an audit
8 since two years ago. And that audit was
9 different because it was a full hand recount.
10 So this is the first time that many of them
11 will conduct kind of that sampling audit. So
12 there -- we're training on them. We're --
13 we're training on the audits. We're -- we're
14 very confident. But it will be the -- the
15 first time they've conducted an audit like
16 this. So I think we should keep that in mind.
17 But I think also going forward I think we need
18 to look for ways to expand audits. A way to
19 have audits after every election. Because it
20 is -- it's good practice. It confirms the
21 outcome. And it -- it builds public
22 confidence.
23 MR. DUFFEY: Okay. Just one last
24 question. In an RLA audit, how are
25 adjudicated ballots treated and handled?
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1 MR. EVANS: So the question was: In a
2 risk-limiting audit how are adjudicated
3 ballots handled. So if it was a ballot that
4 went through the adjudication process. So
5 there was a teams of vote review panel
6 initially in the original count that had to
7 look at a ballot. Maybe it was -- maybe there
8 was an error in a mark or for some reason had
9 to look at the ballot and try to make a
10 decision of voter intent. We see those on
11 hand marked paper ballots. There are also
12 vote review panels that are part of a
13 risk-limiting audit process. And so if
14 there's a ballot that needs to be
15 quote/unquote adjudicated in a risk-limiting
16 audit, it can also go to a vote review panel
17 for a decision to be made on it.
18 MR. DUFFEY: There is one more question
19 about why don't you transfer calls better in
20 your office. But I'm going to let that person
21 talk to you.
22 MR. EVANS: Working on it. I mean, we
23 have a dedicated group of individuals that I'm
24 very proud to work with them. You know, I
25 think there's not many of us. We've got 20
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1 full-time staff in our election division. You
2 can look at North Carolina. They've got over
3 60. You know, there's not many of us. We
4 serve the counties. And there's a lot of
5 dedicated county election officials too that
6 do a darn good job. And I know, you know, one
7 was mentioned earlier and on the agenda. That
8 is -- I do want to say publicly that we've got
9 a lot of very dedicated, very good county
10 election officials that have -- many of them
11 who have dedicated their whole lives to public
12 service. And they -- they want public
13 confidence. The elections are at their heart.
14 And they serve the public as best they can.
15 So I want to say that.
16 MS. BRADSHAW: Could I say something else
17 about the adjudicated? I know like in Fulton
18 County in the 2020 election, Richard whatever
19 his last name was, said there were 106,000
20 adjudicated ballots?
21 MR. EVANS: He was wrong.
22 MS. BRADSHAW: Okay. Well, that's good.
23 But -- but do you get the -- the ballot image
24 that someone came and revoted for them, or do
25 you get the original ballot in a risk-limiting
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2 MR. EVANS: The -- you get -- you're
3 looking at the original ballot. You're
4 looking at the original ballot to make your
5 own determination as part of the audit.
6 MR. DUFFEY: All right. The last agenda
7 item is a discussion amongst the members of
8 the Board based upon any observations or
9 insights that you had during the course of the
10 presentations today. One thing I would like
11 to know is was this exercise worthwhile? It
12 took a fair amount of time to put it together.
13 But -- but one of the things that we're trying
14 to do for the Board and since all our meetings
15 are open. I think ultimately, it's also a
16 benefit to the public. But so I'd like --
17 like that insight. And I'd also would like to
18 know what your thinking is. Your insight you
19 had as a result of what we’ve heard. I guess,
20 let's start with -- somebody suggested that we
21 start from the least senior to the most
22 senior, except I'm taking myself out, even
23 though I’m very least senior. Using my
24 prerogative to wait until I hear everybody
25 else. So that would be you, Dr. Johnston.
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1 DR. JOHNSTON: Are you talking about age
2 senior?
3 MR. DUFFEY: No, tenure on the Board. I
4 would still beat you on age senior, too.
5 DR. JOHNSTON: I don't know about that.
6 Well, I -- this is certainly I think a
7 positive and gathering together to have this
8 type of meeting and the presentations and I
9 thank you for -- for organizing this and --
10 and pulling it together. And I think
11 everybody that's here that has questions and,
12 I mean, maybe seem to have comments. My goal,
13 as always, is election integrity. And
14 whatever it takes to achieve that, and I think
15 that's true of everybody here on the Board. I
16 take this meeting as a maybe a springboard for
17 us to have further discussions of things that
18 we might do to make suggestions to the
19 Assembly -- the legislature in the future.
20 And to work with maybe some formulation of
21 some new rules that would -- would help
22 clarify areas that are maybe unclear. And
23 I'll look forward to that process. Is
24 everything perfect? No. Could it be better?
25 Yes. Are we all working very hard toward
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1 that? Yes. And once again, I thank you.
2 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you. Mr. Lindsey,
3 you’re next.
4 MR. LINDSEY: I guess the next one falls
5 to me, Mr. Chairman. A few comments here, if
6 I may. We've discussed here today how the
7 machines are supposed to work and how the
8 system is supposed to work. But there are
9 somethings that we're going to need the public
10 here. And I want to reach beyond just the
11 group here in this room. I think the group
12 here in this room is pretty good at
13 monitoring. Based on my observations and
14 based on the emails that I get. But I want to
15 sort of reach out to the folks beyond just
16 this room to -- to encourage them to -- to let
17 us know. And let the Secretary of State's
18 Office know during the election process if you
19 see something that is not correct to let us
20 know as soon as possible so that it can be
21 corrected. That's why I asked the question a
22 moment ago on how to -- how folks should best
23 get ahold of the Secretary of State's Office.
24 During the audit process or any other part of
25 the election process. So it's incumbent upon
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1 all of us in the state of Georgia to make sure
2 that the system that's been setup on how it
3 ought to run, actually, does run. We need
4 your help. All the way down to quite frankly
5 looking at your ballot when it’s printed out.
6 I saw one, on (unintelligible) study not too
7 long ago on the fact that a large number of
8 people don't look at the ballots before they
9 turn it in to the -- to the machine. And I
10 find that appalling because there are a lot of
11 us who have been advocating for that paper
12 backup for a long time. I think I signed when
13 I was serving the legislature. I believe it
14 was 2006 was the first time I signed a bill
15 asking for that paper backup. So the paper
16 backup, which actually has now been raised to
17 the paper ballot period. Is the -- the
18 voter's best chance to make sure that his or
19 her ballot is -- is accurate before it's
20 submitted into the ballot box. So I'm going
21 to encourage everyone to read the ballots.
22 And then I'm going to encourage each of us if
23 you see something at the polling places or at
24 the counting station or at the audit process,
25 to alert the Secretary of State's Office as
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1 quickly as possible. And if it can't be
2 rectified there, to file a complaint with us
3 so that we can then deal with it. Because I
4 think all of us together are necessary to make
5 sure that the system as it should work, does
6 work.
7 Secondly, Mr. Chairman, I want to sort of
8 -- sort of talk about a concern that I have,
9 and I raised it first with the gentleman from
10 Dominion. And I want to raise it again to the
11 Board here today. And also, to the general
12 public.
13 There have been detailed studies that
14 have been taken regarding our security of our
15 election system. The latest one by -- called
16 Mitre. And for those of you who aren't
17 familiar. It is a extremely well regarded a
18 National Election security laboratory that's
19 independent. That has reviewed a lot of the
20 allegations that contain both by the Federal
21 Government and by other folks in lawsuits.
22 And I'll tell you right now, we've had a
23 chance to read it but we can't tell you what's
24 in it. Because -- because there is a gag
25 order presently in place and it's secure.
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1 I'm not comfortable with that. And I
2 want to see that Federal Judge who has placed
3 that restriction. While she reviews the
4 reports to release it. If necessary, redact
5 any parts that would compromise cybersecurity.
6 But I want to see that report out as soon as
7 possible. So that folks like you and the
8 general public can have greater confidence in
9 the system. Or can at least evaluate your
10 level of confidence in the system. And so,
11 Mr. Chairman, at the appropriate time I want
12 to make a motion that I want this -- this
13 Board to be on record asking that the Federal
14 -- respectfully asking because I'm a trial
15 lawyer too. Respectfully, asking that the
16 trial court expedite the release of those
17 reports so that the general public can see and
18 evaluate for themselves. I think that's the
19 best way to ensure confidence. And so, Mr.
20 Chairman, at the appropriate time, I'll make
21 that motion.
22 MR. DUFFEY: I’d say, while we're on the
23 subject. Does anybody else want to say
24 anything about the requesting Judge Totenberg
25 to allow, appropriately so, because there --
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1 there could well be information that everybody
2 contends would -- would be improper to
3 disclose generally. I don't think there's
4 much of that. I think most of it is the
5 evaluation. But I do think that we ought to
6 ask the Court whether it's -- gag orders where
7 you can't talk about something in public is
8 actually a protective order. But I think that
9 that should be lifted.
10 MR. LINDSEY: I didn’t mean gag order as
11 a colloquial phrase but basically, it's
12 underneath the restriction right now. And I
13 think that -- and I've got a gentleman of the
14 press over here. And I know some other
15 members of the press too. How about going
16 back and talk to your lawyers and having them
17 file a motion to be -- be part of that attempt
18 -- will you do that for me, Mark?
19 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I'd love to see it.
20 MR. LINDSEY: All right. Good. Didn't
21 mean to put you on the spot. But at the
22 appropriate time, Mr. Chairman, I would move
23 that the -- that the Mitre report or any other
24 reports that are presently before Judge
25 Totenberg that are under seal be released to
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1 the general public subject to any needed
2 redactions for cybersecurity reasons. So that
3 we can have the public evaluate and have
4 confidence in our election system. As we
5 approach the November 8th, 2022 elections.
6 That's my motion, Mr. Chairman.
7 MR. DUFFEY: Is there a second?
9 MR. DUFFEY: So it's been moved and
10 seconded that the Board ask Judge Totenberg,
11 who's the presiding judge in the Curling case
12 where these two reports exist for her to
13 release any report having to do with
14 cybersecurity and the Dominion system.
15 MR. LINDSEY: Correct, Mr. Chairman.
16 MR. DUFFEY: But that the -- that the
17 Court in her discretion, she believes that
18 there is sensitive information that should not
19 be released to the public that she redact only
20 those provisions and release the rest.
21 So if -- it's a little recast.
23 MR. DUFFEY: But any discussion on the
24 motion?
25 (no response)
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1 MR. DUFFEY: All right. They're not
2 being any discussion. All of those in favor
3 say aye.
5 MR. DUFFEY: Opposed? No.
6 (no response)
7 MR. DUFFEY: Passes. Thank you, Mr.
8 Lindsey. Next, Ms. Ghazal.
9 MS. GHAZAL: Thank you, Judge Duffey, for
10 the opportunity to share my thoughts and to my
11 fellow Board members and our presenters today
12 for taking the time and effort. It helps to
13 understand the issues that we're facing.
14 AUDIENCE MEMBERS: Microphone, please.
15 Microphone. We can't hear. Turn all of them
16 up.
17 MS. GHAZAL: Thank you. We are already
18 well underway with the 2022 general election.
19 Voting is already happening. I also
20 appreciate that so many members of the public
21 are here. You're demonstrating your interest
22 in making sure that every eligible voter is
23 able to cast their ballot. And every ballot
24 is counted accurately. This meeting of the
25 State Election Board was called to evaluate
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1 what, if anything, could be done by this body
2 in light of the very serious allegations
3 emanating from Coffee County. Namely, that it
4 appears that unauthorized persons may have
5 been granted broad and extend -- extended
6 access to every component of the voting system
7 there.
8 The outcome of the election in 2020 is
9 not in dispute by any reputable source. The
10 only issue at hand today is what steps would
11 be appropriate to ensure that every vote in
12 the 2022 general election is cast according to
13 the will of the voter and counted as cast
14 given what we believe likely happened in
15 Coffee County. So I want to start with my
16 conclusion which is that Georgia law does not
17 authorize the State Election Board to
18 unilaterally change the -- the system of
19 voting in person from machine marked paper
20 ballots to hand marked paper ballots. But I
21 also want to make clear that even if for the
22 sake for argument, I did believe that we had
23 the authority to change our statewide system
24 of voting, I would not do so today. We've
25 heard this morning from some of the experts
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1 who are in charge of ensuring that our
2 elections are secure. They detailed all the
3 ways in which our votes are safeguarded and
4 the overlap in security measures that would
5 very quickly made apparent if there were
6 nefarious actors or actions attempting to
7 change the outcome of our elections. The most
8 critical measures built into our system
9 include logic and accuracy testing which is
10 ongoing right now and is available and open to
11 public observation. Documentation of chains
12 of custody, our reconciliation and canvassing
13 procedures, and most importantly the paper
14 ballots and the pre-certification audits
15 conducted with them.
16 Counties have heavy responsibility to
17 implement and document these procedures and
18 voters have a responsibility to verify that
19 their ballots are accurate and reflect their
20 choices. And to that end, a rule is already
21 in place that requires counties to assign poll
22 officers whose sole job is to remind voters to
23 verify that their ballot is correct. This
24 step is more important than ever, and I
25 encourage counties to reinforce this reminder
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1 to voters.
2 Make no mistake, the allegations
3 regarding Coffee County and the damage that
4 has been done to public confidence are very
5 serious. Knowingly allowing unauthorized
6 persons to access our voting system, our
7 varied votes is a massive violation of the
8 public trust and possibly state and federal
9 law. I want to see every effort given to
10 ensuring that law -- the law enforcement
11 investigation is thorough, and justice is
12 administered. Any party considering engaging
13 in such serious violations of the public trust
14 needs to understand that these actions will
15 not be tolerated in Georgia.
16 A successful election must take into
17 account three sometimes competing interests
18 security, accessibility, and efficient
19 administration. If the system neglects any
20 one of these or if it's out of balance, then
21 either the voter or the vote will suffer.
22 Georgia system reflects an attempt to balance
23 these issues and interests. I have trust in
24 our election officials and in our voters to
25 ensure that our elections will proceed
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1 smoothly and securely, and that the outcome
2 will reflect the will of the voters. Thank
3 you.
4 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you very much. Mr.
5 Mashburn?
6 MR. MASHBURN: Thank you. Thank you,
7 Judge Duffey. If you could turn my mic on,
8 please.
9 I'd like to thank you, Judge, for putting
10 all your hard work and putting this meeting
11 together today is -- is an incredible amount
12 of work. I don't -- I don't think you
13 understood the word retirement. Because of
14 the incredible number of hours that you put
15 into this. So I appreciate all your -- all
16 your diligence and I thought this was very
17 helpful. I thought the presenters were very
18 kind with their time and their expertise. And
19 I appreciated -- appreciated that very much.
20 I promise -- promise every citizen of Georgia,
21 I will protect your vote. Everyone here on --
22 every person on this Board is going to protect
23 your vote. If I see something wrong, I
24 promise you I will raise it. Okay. If I
25 don't see something wrong, I'll also tell you
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1 that. But I promise you we will protect your
2 vote. I promise you that. I will protect
3 your vote. This Board will protect your vote.
4 The only way we cannot protect it is if you do
5 not cast it. So don't let anybody tell you
6 you shouldn't vote for whatever reason they
7 give you. All right. And with that, I use my
8 seniority to say I have nothing further to
9 add.
10 MR. DUFFEY: You know, one -- one of the
11 privileges in life is -- is to work with
12 people who are bright, bring different
13 perspectives to -- to an issue. Who are
14 hardworking. And do it not for any
15 renumeration. They do it because they think
16 that what we do in the form of voting is the
17 most principle elementary participation of a
18 citizen in their governments. And while it's
19 -- that was nice to say how much time has been
20 -- and that I've been spending. I tell a lot
21 of people that this work has invigorated me
22 because I think it's important. And it's
23 totally in line with my values that I -- but
24 we -- like everybody has said, we need your
25 help and here are some specific things. You
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1 know when I opened with this description about
2 what happened in Florida and the -- the
3 fundamental principles to be they have to
4 understand the law and they have to understand
5 the facts. What's -- what overlays all of
6 that is if we are -- we are trying to do that
7 collectively, there's a productive way of
8 helping us and a productive way of us
9 communicating with you. And then there's an
10 unproductive way.
11 The productive way is that if you think
12 you have information that is important for us
13 to look at, and not just us, but the Secretary
14 of State's Office. Then you ought to give it
15 to us as soon as you have it. And not wait
16 until there's -- there's some maybe a time
17 that you think is more calculated or at a time
18 that's more convenient to you. It's easier
19 even when you're not done with your analysis,
20 to tell us what the analysis is so that we can
21 see whether or not we can give you input to
22 allow you to focus on the things that are --
23 that would be important to us. As opposed to
24 what you think is important to you.
25 So at some point this has to become not
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1 adversarial, us against you, it has to be
2 collegial. Which is if we want to work
3 together, there's got to be respectful
4 communication. And there's got to be this --
5 this overlay which -- which I have -- which I
6 regret a lot. And this overlay of suspicion
7 of each other has to stop. You could disagree
8 with us. If we could disagree with you. But
9 if we don't communicate honestly, we will
10 never know what we disagree about. And it's
11 important to define those things.
12 The other thing I said, is we -- we need
13 to know facts so that we can apply them to the
14 law. I began our session with that -- with
15 that discussion. You need to know facts
16 before you apply it to the law. I know we've
17 even had a couple of instances here where
18 there's been a -- a -- an unequivocal
19 statement about something that was wrong. And
20 it's on us that one of those unequivocal
21 statements made was about the status of the
22 case heard by Judge Adams that it's not on
23 appeal, it is on appeal.
24 I know that it's fully briefed on appeal.
25 It's an appeal that's before the Court of
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1 Appeals. And when I -- and I have been a
2 lawyer and I've been amazed at how well courts
3 can ultimately evaluate a decision in our
4 system to have a decision that then gets
5 reviewed by another. It's sort of like an
6 audit, looking at -- at an election to
7 determine whether or not the count was
8 correct. That we need to let the court system
9 work. And then when the court system does
10 work, we need to respect and trust it rather
11 than saying the court got it wrong.
12 So for that, you know, and for any other
13 misstatement, I just want us all the backup
14 and say, when we make an expression of
15 something, let's be -- let's be more certain
16 about it. One way of building trust is -- and
17 -- and one thing that we are putting into
18 place is -- and if anybody has emailed me in
19 the last four or five days and a lot of you
20 have, there are a lot of you outside have.
21 Except for somebody who just makes a
22 statement, anybody who talks to me about the
23 Board and what it should do, I think everyone
24 of those emails I’ve answered.
25 And a lot of it is because I think that
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1 if we're the government, you have a right to
2 hear from your government. There's -- there's
3 no -- I don't have a little mailbox that says
4 this is an email. I really don't have time
5 for it. I'm uncompensated so therefore I'm
6 going to put it -- put it somewhere and let
7 somebody else deal with it. Or they had their
8 say. I'm not going to respond. And we are --
9 you will have our emails, if they're not
10 already on the website, they should be on the
11 website. Meaghan, are they restored to the
12 SEB -- SEB website? So you have a way of
13 communicating with us. And we will our best -
14 - what we're going to try to do without
15 inconsistencies by looking at it in a
16 centralized way and then we will respond.
17 And the last is, I would just encourage
18 you -- there -- there are a number of people
19 who send things that are mean spirited to us
20 personally and veil threats. I didn't stop
21 sending emails when I got those, and I won't.
22 But I wish that all of you who are inclined to
23 do that, would cease sending them.
24 This is too important to get my hackles
25 up about somebody who doesn't exercise great
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1 discretion in their communications because I
2 want everybody to say, this guy, these women,
3 or these men, got an email and they -- and
4 they didn't -- what's the current term --
5 ghost you. I'm not sure that's right, but
6 it's kind of the spirit of it. But we need to
7 work more collectively rather than
8 uncollectively. During -- during -- I'm going
9 to talk to the Secretary of State's Office
10 that I am concerned about -- and I had these
11 concerns even in my work when we had a big
12 investigation, that we would -- we had a way
13 where we had a group of people that if
14 somebody saw something that needed to be
15 responded to quickly, we had a place where
16 that would go that was distinguished from the
17 regular communication systems.
18 You know, I have seen at least in the
19 last couple of days a couple of really
20 troubling things which we will open an
21 investigation on, or, at least, I think we
22 have. That's the sort of thing that needs to
23 be addressed right now and it can't go into
24 some file and be put in line with other things
25 that are not as critical. And I think during
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1 an election year, he's had to deal with the
2 upcoming election. We need to have a way to
3 respond more -- more quickly and promptly to
4 stop something that if it's not stopped in its
5 infancy might develop into something that is
6 more mature and thus more threatening to the
7 election process. So I'll talk to the
8 Secretary of State's Office about that. You
9 know, Blake and Ryan and everybody at the
10 Secretary of State's Office -- the one thing
11 I've known for a while and one of the things
12 we're going -- we're going to recommend to the
13 General Assembly is we can't operate this
14 State with as many people as we have with just
15 20 people in the elections division. That
16 we've got to be more thoughtful about the
17 priorities we have and where we staff.
18 Now, will -- will that happen? You know,
19 sometimes it doesn't happen when the first
20 time you -- you talk about it. It happens in
21 successive years, but those are the sort of
22 things that we're going to try to do to make
23 the Secretary of State's Office have the
24 capacity to respond to it. But I agree with
25 Matt and with Edward that we need -- every
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1 time you hear something that you think is
2 going to impact an election and it's happening
3 right now, we need to know. We're going to
4 find a way to do that. If nothing else, you
5 can send us an email. Send them to Mr.
6 Lindsey. I don't mind those at all. And, in
7 fact, I'm learning so much about this process
8 by getting them. So I thank you for being
9 here. I thank you for those that are
10 watching. We are a citizen democracy and we -
11 - and we appreciate very much your attention.
12 We're going to close out the meeting as
13 we normally do with citizen comments. And --
14 but -- but let's take -- this is going to be
15 true this time. It's going to be a five-
16 minute break, but it's going to be a real five
17 minutes as opposed to the 15-minute break that
18 turned into a 20-minute break. We -- so five
19 minutes. And we'll be back with your
20 comments, and then we will be done.
21 (Break taken.)
22 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Let's everybody
23 take their seats. Please, would everybody
24 please take their seats.
25 This is the public comment section. I
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1 will call you up as you're listed with the
2 exception of Cindy Battles who has to catch an
3 airplane. I'm going to let her go first.
4 MS. BATTLES: Thank you so much for
5 moving me up and to outing me to everybody.
6 MR. DUFFEY: Well, that's okay. So long
7 as -- and so long as you remember it’s a two-
8 minute time limit. It's a two-minute time
9 limit.
10 MS. BATTLES: I do remember.
11 MR. DUFFEY: And I --
12 MS. BATTLES: And I'm very good with my
13 time limit as a matter of fact. Believe it or
14 not. My name is Cindy Battles, and I am the
15 Policy and Engagement Director for the Georgia
16 Coalition for the People's Agenda. I
17 appreciate the effort that y’all have made
18 with this meeting. I don't know if it changes
19 hearts or minds. I think that the time to
20 have inoculated misinformation and
21 disinformation was when it first started
22 instead Georgia Assembly gave it a platform.
23 Which I think is why we're still trying to put
24 out a dumpster fire with a teaspoon.
25 However, what I would like to ask about
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1 is specifically something to do with SB-202
2 and State Election Board rules. A few months
3 ago you revised several -- 183-1-14-.12 which
4 is the eligibility of application for an
5 absentee ballot. And your revised rule states
6 that quote: Any application for an absentee
7 ballot sent to any voter by any person or
8 entity except applications sent by the
9 election superintendent or registrar at the
10 request of the elector shall display the
11 following disclaimer.
12 The rule goes on to describe the
13 disclaimer but what we're asking is what is
14 sent mean? Does that mean mailed? Does it
15 also include delivery in person? We're asking
16 because there's not enough guidance as to what
17 an absentee ballot application forms
18 volunteers should be using or what sent means.
19 We've got a number of people who have
20 often helped people get absentee ballot
21 requests. And just because Georgia is Georgia
22 these days, I'm specifying we are helping
23 people get absentee ballot requests not
24 absentee ballots. Specifically, we have gone
25 into Fulton County jails, not only registering
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1 eligible voters to vote, but also helping them
2 get absentee ballot requests. And with the
3 ambiguity and the language, we're concerned
4 that we're violating rules. So I understand
5 that the State Election Board doesn't normally
6 add -- answer questions, but we would love to
7 have some sort of guidance on that definition.
8 Thank you.
9 MR. DUFFEY: Tell me the rule number
10 again, just so I have it in my notes.
11 MS. BATTLES: The rule number again?
12 Hold on one second. It is 183-1-14-.12.
13 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you very much.
14 MS. BATTLES: Thank you. Have a good
15 evening.
16 MR. DUFFEY: Have a good safe flight.
17 MS. BATTLES: Let's hope so.
18 MR. DUFFEY: Mr. Balbona?
19 MR. BALBONA: I'll try to be quick. I'm
20 George Balbona from Cobb County. The
21 Secretary of State's Office is moving money
22 around from different POs, RPOs and VARs to
23 pay for various items such as VM cloud-based
24 services. SOS is also paying IT vendors that
25 are not on Merritt Beavers IT vendors list.
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1 Just a couple of months ago, on July 19th,
2 2022, Merritt Beaver SOS CIO sent an email
3 entitled: No more presidio to the SOS agency
4 procurement officer. Merritt explained before
5 processing any new PO to presidio, please let
6 Eric and myself know as we are moving all of
7 these to CDW. She replied, I was going to ask
8 a question because I saw that presidio for
9 200K and the purchase of Haiku Neutronics
10 licensed for CDW for 28K. Merritt responded
11 there is one more presidio RPO left out there
12 for neutronics that we are working on now to
13 move to another. The other two Haiku and VM
14 we moved to CDW, end quote.
15 Is this legal? I thought that when a
16 purchase order was approved, those funds were
17 to be used only for the purposes stated.
18 Also, SOS is blatantly playing games with my
19 open records request. SOS combined three of
20 my open records requests into a single cost
21 estimate. (Unintelligible) were ridiculously
22 inflated from 832 to 2,921 in the processing
23 cost estimated rocketed -- sky-rocketed from
24 $235.77 to $1,008.00. SOS made me resubmit my
25 ORs and these numbers are for the exact same
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1 open records requests. SOS bundled five of my
2 other ORs into a single open records request.
3 This is not how SOS normally processes open
4 records requests. SOS has deemed my open
5 records requests abandoned because they will
6 not do as I have requested. Which is simply
7 process my open records requests properly.
8 The reason I'm concerned about VM is
9 because it was started by two Russians Veeam.
10 They're now billionaires. I can give you
11 their names. It's right here: Ratmir
12 Timasher and Andrei Baronoff. And in Forbes
13 it says they’re in estimated 1,000 plus US
14 companies in Russia including household names
15 like Apple, iHerb and the entirety of the back
16 office of VM software.
17 The reason that's important is because
18 SOS has decided it would be a great idea to
19 put all of our Georgia voter registration up
20 on the Cloud. Guess who has the contract?
21 Yeah, VM. And I don't care if Nick Ayers,
22 Mike Pence's former chief of staff is on the
23 board. Who wrote the software were Russians.
24 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you, Mr. Balbona. Mr.
25 Favorito?
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1 MR. FAVORITO: Mr. Chairman, I'm the co-
2 founder of Voter GA and we're plaintiffs in
3 representative Phillip Singleton case that
4 seeks relief against Dominion’s QR code voting
5 system. I needed to correct a few problems
6 after the public comments today. The -- just
7 to give you a little background, this QR code
8 issue was adjudicated in Curling v.
9 Raffensperger by Judge Totenberg, and she
10 reviewed the most comprehensive set of
11 evidence ever assembled in a Georgia election
12 integrity case to my knowledge. And she
13 issued three -- two orders totaling 300 pages
14 the stating orders that apparently the State,
15 among other things, the Secretary of State's
16 Office was "not credible". Specifically, she
17 found in regards to the QR code says, if a
18 Dominion system "does not produce an elector
19 verifiable paper ballot and the elector's
20 choices are not in a format readable by the
21 elector. That's because they're accumulated
22 in the QR code.
23 So she found that the system does not --
24 does none of these things that are required by
25 Georgia law. The Secretary of State's Office
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1 appealed the decision. And -- or at least
2 part of it, and the Eleventh Circuit heard the
3 decision, but has not made a ruling yet. So
4 the Secretary of State was able to use the
5 system again in 2022. That's the background.
6 And the bottom line or the take away the
7 background is that the system that was issued
8 to conduct in the 2020 election was found to
9 be illegal by the United States District Court
10 as not (unintelligible) or voter Georgia
11 talking.
12 But now to -- with that background, we
13 filed a case seeking relief not to re-
14 adjudicate what had already been adjudicated,
15 extraordinarily, by Judge Totenberg. And our
16 judge, Judge Adams, never received any
17 discovery evidence whatsoever. Never
18 adjudicated anything. Her first task was to
19 rule on the sufficiency of our complaint. And
20 instead, she dismissed that on the same day
21 that a hand count audit proved the dominion
22 system picked the wrong winners in the -- in
23 DeKalb County District Attorney --
24 MR. DUFFEY: Mr. Favorito, you need to
25 wrap up.
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1 MR. FAVORITO: -- commission race.
2 MR. DUFFEY: You need to wrap up.
3 MR. FAVORITO: Okay. Sure. So that
4 audit in 2022, found that the third place
5 candidate was shorted 3,000 votes. The first
6 place candidate received 1,400 unearned votes
7 and 1,800 votes the system failed to count all
8 together.
9 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Thank you very
10 much. I appreciate your comments. Tamara
11 Seymoor?
12 MS. SEYMOOR: Thank you. I'm following
13 up on May 17th, 2022 letter that asked you to
14 make SEB rules compliant with federal and
15 state retention law and the Board still has
16 taken no action on that. When SB-202 made
17 ballot images public record, Voter GA
18 submitted open records requests statewide for
19 the original 2020 ballot images and found that
20 56 counties admitted destroying them and
21 another 14 refused to legally comply with the
22 ORR. We also found that 102 counties
23 destroyed their drop box surveillance videos
24 for 181,507 ballots received from those boxes.
25 When we pointed out that they violated
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1 the state and federal election record
2 retention laws, the counties blamed SEB rule
3 that permitted destruction of those election
4 records in defiance of O.C.G.A. 21-2-73 and
5 U.S.C. 20701. Voter GA's letter simply asked
6 you to make SEB rules comply with federal and
7 state law. And to instruct the counties to
8 preserve the original ballots in lieu of the
9 images until all current litigation is
10 resolved. After four months the Board has
11 taken no action.
12 While I realize that the Board
13 composition is new, this lack of action is
14 giving us the impression that the newly
15 structured Board has no concern for election
16 integrity, transparency, and fraud prevention.
17 You can demonstrate your concern by
18 immediately adjusting these two rules in
19 question and requesting the counties to
20 preserve the 2020 election ballots before the
21 24-month retention period expires in November.
22 Otherwise, Voter GA must file suit in
23 October to force you to comply with the law
24 and to preserve the ballots from the most
25 controversial election in Georgia's history.
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1 Thank you.
3 William Quinn?
4 MR. QUINN: Good afternoon, I believe
5 it's afternoon. All right. I always try to
6 make my comments match or meet something that
7 was said during your hearing. I'm going to
8 try to do that today. Let me start with this
9 week someone that I admire greatly said that
10 our country is in trouble. It can be saved.
11 But some very important things have to happen
12 and they have to happen very soon for it to
13 avoid going over the precipice. Perhaps it's
14 fitting that another Georgia is in the news
15 this week. Giorgia Meloni who Italy just
16 selected as their Prime Minister.
17 Her base looked to her for guidance in
18 terms of the fundamentals they should be
19 worried about. And they were three things:
20 God, family and country. I think you're going
21 to find that as this country gets more and
22 more focused on the problems that we're
23 facing, that you heard about through many of
24 the things today, they are going to drop back
25 to exactly those things. Because that, at the
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1 end of the day, are the fundamentals that we
2 all have to worry about. God, family and
3 country. Truth is sometimes difficult, but
4 it's enduring. We will see people try to
5 paint it with various things they may call
6 facts. But over time, information as it comes
7 out will make that cheap paint crack off and
8 the truth is going to be revealed.
9 One of the things I heard today is gosh,
10 the counties and this Board can't take action
11 absent law change. The fact is you've done it
12 in the past. You did it in April 2020 by
13 approving drop boxes. The problem is you
14 didn't have the power of the law to do it.
15 Right now, you say, well, we could act in an
16 emergency. You have an emergency. It was
17 just extended by the White House on September
18 7th. A National emergency with respect to
19 foreign interference in and undermining public
20 confidence in the United States elections. So
21 you haven't taken action. I understand. I
22 see you're resting on, we can't. Let me tell
23 you how the people are going to fix this.
24 MR. DUFFEY: Okay. You need to wrap up
25 here.
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1 MR. QUINN: We need to -- we will vote
2 like we have never voted before.
3 MR. DUFFEY: Excuse me.
4 MR. QUINN: We will help other people get
5 out and vote. And we will inform them why it
6 works, and we will focus on things like what
7 happened with Carrie Lake in Arizona and we
8 will focus on our own future.
9 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you.
10 MR. QUINN: Thank you. Remember, God,
11 family, country.
12 MR. QUINN: JoEllen Shiver?
13 MS. SHIVER: Hello. I just wanted to say
14 that I do have a lack of confidence in the
15 Dominion machines. And that it's based on
16 what I saw happen in the 2020 elections and
17 even in the most recent primaries. I found a
18 lot of the the results to be questionable and
19 one example I want to cite is the -- that race
20 in DeKalb County where there were three
21 candidates and one candidate had -- came up
22 with zero votes and demanded a recount, a hand
23 recount. And she ended up winning and I found
24 this very troubling as to how many more errors
25 were there like this in how many races? How
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1 many did we not catch? Is this human error?
2 I've heard it was human error. But that
3 concerns me that we would have machines that
4 would, you know, have human error. But also,
5 what other intervention can the machines get.
6 If it's not just human error, what is -- what
7 other human intervention can they get? My
8 concern is also the software. Had we not --
9 can we not audit the software? Can software
10 not take one vote and equate it to .76 percent
11 of a vote or 101 percent of a vote or flip
12 votes? That's part of my concern. So I just
13 would say I would love to get rid of these
14 machines. Thank you.
15 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you, Ms. Shiver.
16 Ginger Bradshaw?
17 MS. BRADSHAW: Hi. I just want to say
18 that I learned a lot today which means that
19 I've got a lot more to do on -- on my plate.
20 But and some of the things I ask, you may not
21 have control over, but I just think it would
22 be good for you as the State Board being over
23 all of Georgia and election to, I'm sure you
24 know about it, but I just want you to let it -
25 - let you know it's a concern of mine. The
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1 representative from the Secretary of State's
2 Office, I thought did a great job on talking
3 about the -- the audits and how open and how
4 transparent they were. But I know we were in
5 several counties that was set up to do a hand
6 recount of the votes. And the strong --
7 strong arm from somebody came in and said, oh,
8 no you can't do that. Well, part of the law,
9 and everybody's been talking about the law
10 today, why are we maintaining the ballots for
11 24 months if we can't get access to them? I
12 know Garland has been in -- in a lawsuit that
13 has just been pushed off, pushed off, pushed
14 off. And then finally the Judge said, I'm
15 going to dismiss it. So that's what gives us
16 a bad taste in our mouth, the dishonesty. If
17 everything is so open and apparent, give us
18 the ballots and prove us wrong. So I don't
19 know how much power y’all have over there, but
20 you do have -- you do talk to people and
21 whatever.
22 And the other thing, on another vote, I
23 was a poll manager in the last couple of
24 elections and the girl that I worked with
25 worked for Fulton County on the registration
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1 side and she told me the redistricting updates
2 weren't even done. And my school board race,
3 like, a guy, Phil Chan, ran I think, and I
4 live in 7B and 7C which is not in his district
5 had his race on it. Nobody did anything about
6 it. So somebody, somewhere has got to lay the
7 law down and get -- and -- and you talk about
8 following our laws, but we're not following
9 them. And somebody needs to do something
10 about it. Thank you.
11 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you very much. Tom
12 Talbot? Mr. Talbot?
13 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What's the name?
14 MR. DUFFEY: Talbot. T-A-L-B-O-T. He's
15 not here. Mr. Nally?
16 MR. NALLY: Good afternoon, Your Honor,
17 ladies and gentlemen. I'm a little bit
18 disappointed in this body. Not you, Your
19 Honor, you came along a little too late to get
20 included. Back in April I filed a complaint
21 concerning over 20 elected public officials
22 who were held to be by our constitutional
23 language of our Constitution not qualified to
24 hold their offices by reason of being
25 illegally in possession of public funds. In
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1 May, I filed an inquiry. In June, I'm sorry.
2 I didn't file, I emailed an inquiry. And in
3 June emailed again. I haven't emailed since
4 because I have been ignored from the very
5 first filing. It would be nice if someone had
6 the decency to pick up a phone, drop me an
7 email. Let the citizen know that the law is
8 going to be complied with or it is going to be
9 ignored. I'd just like to know which.
10 Now, that was my first comment. My
11 second comment is that the -- it is my opinion
12 that it is for a judge to determine whether or
13 not a contract is void. The rest of us refer
14 to it as being void or not -- or not voidable.
15 The Dominion State of Georgia contract is
16 void, as a matter of law. And as a matter of
17 fact. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
18 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you, Mr. Nally.
19 Jeanne `DuFort?
20 MS. DUFORT: Thank you for this
21 remarkable meeting. I -- I can't think of a
22 meeting in the last 20 years that's had so
23 much interaction from Board members. And I
24 really want you to know, and the public, and I
25 want you to know we noticed and I'm not the
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1 only one that appreciates it. So thank you.
2 Mr. Poulos' presentation reminds me of
3 your story, Judge, about the witness who
4 described perfectly a wedding. But the
5 wedding was on the wrong day. If you review
6 the substantial record in Curling v.
7 Raffensperger. Since, let's call it August of
8 2019 when it started to focus on the BMP,
9 their expert declarations, their transcript of
10 hearings. And there's the writings of Judge
11 Totenberg herself that would challenge the
12 rosy picture painted by Mr. Poulos. I would
13 encourage you all to take a look at it from
14 the perspective.
15 Nearly six months ago, as Vice Chair of
16 the Morgan County Dems, I joined Salleigh
17 Grubbs from the Cobb County GOP and Ryan
18 Graham from the Libertarian party of Georgia
19 and dozens of candidates to ask you act to
20 minimize risk to our elections in a manner
21 consistent with existing law. Not to make new
22 law. As the evidence mounts of what happened
23 and compromise our State's voting system,
24 starting in Coffee County, I'm going to
25 refrain from saying, I told you so and simply
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1 ask if not now, when? What would it take? If
2 Georgia's elections software being pirated and
3 distributed widely to well-funded characters
4 from the Stop the Steal Movement. If that
5 didn't scare you, what will? If CISA
6 confirming the findings of Alex Halderman
7 isn't sufficient, what would it take? If the
8 urgent advice of 13 of our most well respected
9 experts in the elections space, if that isn't
10 compelling, what would you find compelling?
11 And not one, not two, not three, but eight
12 different days unauthorized individuals were
13 in the Coffee County election office. An
14 investigator was in the office with one of the
15 perks and didn't bother to check his name as
16 far as we know. So I'm asking you again,
17 please use your authority under existing law,
18 not new law to find the theft of our election
19 software to be an emergency rising to the
20 sufficiency to command the emergency paper
21 ballot system. Thank you.
22 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you. Mr. Ferguson,
23 Earl Ferguson?
24 MR. FERGUSON: Earl Ferguson, a Fulton
25 County victim. I'm -- two years ago in
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1 October of 2021 there was a ruling in the
2 District Court of the Northern District of
3 Georgia case is Curling v. Raffensperger and
4 that investigated the security and
5 capabilities of the Dominion machine. 174
6 pages of testimony. I read it all. And it
7 indicated that there were several issues that
8 even Dominion agreed with that required
9 action. Two years later there has been no
10 attempt by the Secretary of State or -- or
11 Dominion to correct those problems. I would
12 really like to know why? Thank you very much.
13 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you. Susie
14 Thotochanel? Is that right?
15 MS. THOTOCHANEL: Yes.
16 MR. DUFFEY: Close, right.
17 MS. THOTOCHANEL: I would like to start
18 by thanking the Board for their work
19 especially in these thankless times. My name
20 is Susie Thotochanel and I am a current
21 resident and voter in Fulton County. I've
22 lived in Georgia my entire life. And I have
23 voted in every election in which I was
24 eligible. But for me it has always been easy.
25 My career, my family, my location. The
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1 environment in which I lived always made it
2 easy. It's not always been easy for others.
3 Their jobs, their communities and
4 unfortunately the restrictions sometimes set
5 by the State made it difficult. Voting in
6 Georgia in 2020 was finally made a little
7 easier for those who wanted to vote, but
8 couldn't always make it work. And security
9 and accuracy of the 2020 election in Georgia
10 has been confirmed over and over and over
11 again. It is time to move on. Reasonable
12 people throughout Georgia, throughout our
13 State agree that all eligible voters should be
14 able to go to the polls and vote without fear
15 or intimidation. And that all eligible voters
16 should have equal access to the polls. It
17 should be just as easy for any eligible voter
18 to vote as it has always been for me. I'm
19 asking the Secretary of State and the State
20 Election Board to focus your attention on the
21 current election by providing all counties and
22 election administrators the assistance they
23 need now to run free and fair elections.
24 Despite increased restrictions let's make sure
25 that easy access to the polls is available for
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1 anyone. Thank you so much.
2 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you very much. Joseph
3 Kirk?
4 MR. KIRK: Hello. My name is Joseph
5 Kirk. I'm the election supervisor from Bartow
6 County. A lot has been said today, but I want
7 to briefly summarize what I think matters most
8 to election integrity as an election
9 administrator with a history of secure
10 transparent elections. First is pre-election
11 testing. We have to test and verify not only
12 the content, (unintelligible) ballots. But
13 the hardware that we're going to use functions
14 properly and accurately. And then we have the
15 chain of custody. We need chain of custody
16 for credible items as election technology, the
17 blank, and most importantly voted ballots.
18 And incidentally chain of custody for blank
19 paper does not do a whole lot to increase
20 election security. Third, reconciliation
21 procedures. We should be constantly
22 reconciling how many legal voters applied for
23 ballots against how many have been issued,
24 received and counted, both in person, as well
25 as mail in ballots. And for bust canvassing
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1 and consolidation procedures which happens
2 election night and then the re-certification
3 meeting. And that's the process of verifying
4 that all and only legal votes have been
5 counted and they have been reported accurately
6 at all levels. Then finally, tabulation
7 audits. We heard about today which are hand
8 count procedures to compare results reported
9 by the voting system to be human readable text
10 on the ballots. And when done properly, these
11 can and will detect issues with the voting
12 system. We have to use election technology to
13 facilitate our voting process. Hand counting
14 is not nearly accurate or efficient enough to
15 tabulate Georgia elections. But please know I
16 do not mention how the ballot was marked or
17 who makes that technology. Hand marked
18 ballots are not a silver bullet that
19 guarantees election integrity. Voters do, in
20 fact, verify their ballots prior to casting
21 them. Our system does count our votes
22 accurately. And all these steps must happen
23 no matter how the ballot is marked. I also
24 wanted to mention -- was maintenance. It's a
25 constant plus every county goes through to
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1 keep our risk clean. Eric helps a lot with
2 this. We -- we get information from our State
3 and other states and it's worth noting that
4 Eric does not add or delete voters just gives
5 us information. And the last thing I want to
6 mention is transparency and the importance of
7 poll watchers. A well-trained poll watcher is
8 incredibly important to this process. They
9 have to be prioritized and valued. They are
10 volunteering their time to observe a tedious
11 and mountainous process. They should be
12 thanked for their service. We should focus on
13 things that truly matter if we want rebuild
14 public confidence in our elections. Thank you
15 very much.
17 MS. GHAZAL: Judge, may I break protocol
18 and ask Mr. Kirk a couple of questions simply
19 because he's not just a member of the public.
20 But also an election supervisor?
21 MR. DUFFEY: Yes.
22 MS. GHAZAL: Thank you. Mr. Kirk, can
23 you tell us a little bit more --
24 AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible)
25 MS. GHAZAL: Can us more about the
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1 audits? The pre-certification audits that
2 you've been conducting since 2020? How -- how
3 do you conduct them? Have you identified any
4 discrepancies? How many ballots are you using
5 in -- in those exercises?
6 MR. KIRK: Absolutely. And I'll try to
7 be brief. I use the same procedures we used
8 in 2020 for every election that I’ve conducted
9 since then. I -- I advertise the audit. I
10 invite the parties to come as observers. I
11 have an observation area. I have auditing
12 teams of two people that sort and stack the
13 ballots and counting the stacks of ten. Then
14 count those stacks of ten. The nice thing is
15 is with a little bit of practice it gets
16 faster, it gets cheaper. The public has more
17 confidence in the result. So and we actually
18 count every ballot cast in Bartow County for a
19 single race for every single election. To
20 give you an example, we audited the
21 gubernatorial from this year and -- and had a
22 .1 percent. So .001 margin of error. And I
23 have gone back in the past, not with that
24 audit, but previous audits to confirm that the
25 errors were made on the part of the auditors,
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1 not the voting system. So I have a hell of a
2 confidence in our system. Any major
3 discrepancies would have been noticed in the
4 audit both in the number of ballots cast as
5 well as the -- the vote totals. And I've
6 never seen anything question the results of
7 the reported voters.
10 MR. KIRK: Thank you.
11 MR. DUFFEY: Victoria Cruz?
12 MS. CRUZ: Hello, my name is Victoria
13 Cruz. I'm from Athens, Georgia. And a lot of
14 people have already mentioned some of the
15 things that I wanted to talk about. I -- I do
16 want to tell you, Judge, I was very impressed
17 by the story you were telling about your time
18 in Florida. Because I was driving through
19 Atlanta traffic trying to get here on time. I
20 was listening to you. And, yes, you do have
21 to delve deeper. Back then, you made a phone
22 call. Now, we have access to the internet.
23 You all have access to the internet. So
24 there's no reason why you can't research and
25 get information everyone can. And -- and this
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1 is where we are right now and why we distrust.
2 It seems like the mainstream media is telling
3 one story, Dominion is telling one story, the
4 Secretary of State's Office is telling one
5 story. But there are other stories out there
6 and how do you decide which one you're going
7 to listen to? Obviously, you trusted the
8 wedding coordinator because he brought the
9 goods. We need to delve a little bit deeper,
10 especially, with regard to the Coffee County
11 case. Because I don't think you're getting
12 all the information you need from the
13 mainstream media. My last thing, because the
14 previous speaker brought it up, is Eric our
15 voter registration system. You need to delve
16 further into that too. Eric violates HAVA and
17 the data that it collects because it asks for
18 the States to give them all those people who
19 decline to register to vote. That is a
20 person's right. If they decline to register
21 to vote, why does Eric need that data? What
22 legal authority does Eric have to get that
23 data? And how is that data being used? And
24 it's being collected from all the places, not
25 just the DMV, that do the registration of
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1 voters. From social services. From fishing
2 licenses. There are people who choose not to
3 vote. Who choose not to share their
4 information with Eric and I think it's
5 incumbent upon the Board to find out what Eric
6 is doing with that information and why they
7 need it. Thank you.
8 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you very much. Ann
9 O'Mara? O'Mara?
10 MS. O'MARA: O'Mara. Good afternoon, my
11 name is Ann O'Mara. I'm from Cherokee County.
12 I've been speaking to our county Board of
13 Commissioners and Board of Elections since
14 January of 2022 to try and convince them to
15 move to hand marked paper ballots. They
16 listen but continue to point me to this Board
17 saying our best recourse is through the State
18 officials who plainly have the authority to do
19 what is being asked of them. According to
20 O.C.G.A. 21-2-344 and 366, our two Boards do
21 have the authority to use hand marked paper
22 ballots and direct the use of this optimal
23 scanning voting systems. Every President
24 since Harry Truman who created the National
25 Security Counsel in 1947 has been a concern
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1 for national security. On October 26, 2001,
2 the Patriot Act was signed into law. Here
3 critical infrastructure was defined. Systems
4 and assets whether physical or virtual so
5 vital to the United States that the incapacity
6 or destruction of such systems and assets
7 would have a debilitating impact on security,
8 national economic security, national public
9 health or safety or any combination of these
10 matters. In 2002, the US Department of
11 Homeland Security was signed into law. From
12 2001 forward, the critical infrastructure
13 continued to be strengthened and protected.
14 On January 6, 2017, election infrastructure
15 was designated as a critical infrastructure
16 subsection. This allowed election
17 infrastructure to fall under the umbrella of
18 DHS. In September of 2018, then President
19 Trump signed Executive Order 13848 a lengthy
20 Executive Order titled Imposing Certain
21 Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference
22 in the US election. In 2018, CISA was created
23 in the same agency that just found nine
24 vulnerabilities in the Dominion systems in an
25 article published in June. Finally, on
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1 September 7th of 2002 (sic) Joe Biden signed a
2 continuation of Trump's Executive Order titled
3 Notice on Continuation of the National
4 Emergency with respect to foreign interference
5 in or undermining the public confidence in the
6 US elections. So we have been under a
7 national state of emergency for four years
8 regarding the security of our elections. If
9 the two most recent Presidents believe that
10 the vulnerability of our election
11 infrastructure is threatened, I believe the
12 State of Georgia should, as well. Get rid of
13 the machines and move to hand marked paper
14 ballots for this upcoming election. Thank
15 you.
16 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you. Vesu Abhiraman?
17 MR. ABHIRAMAN: Thank you, Judge Duffey,
18 for this meeting and esteemed members of the
19 Board. My name is Vesu Abhiraman. I'm senior
20 policy counsel with the ACLU of Georgia. I'm
21 also a Georgian native. I'm a former software
22 and telecommunications engineer. So I'm
23 interested in the subject matter. And I'm a
24 proud poll worker I've worked about ten
25 elections in the last three years since the
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1 rollout of new equipment. And a poll manager,
2 as well. My biggest beef with the current
3 equipment is the power supplies are the
4 heaviest things that I've ever carried. If I
5 throw my back out, I’m going to come for the
6 State of Georgia on a worker's comp claim.
7 Mr. Lindsey and Ms. Ghazal, you -- both
8 of you talk about voter verification, for the
9 ballots. And I will say it doesn't feel like
10 the most natural part of the process now. I
11 believe there are things that can be done with
12 more prominent signage encouraging voter
13 verification of the ballots. Doing everything
14 we can to take it from voter verifiable to
15 voter verified, I think that's pretty
16 important.
17 In general, I want to talk about the
18 effect of persistent misinformation around
19 elections that we've seen over the past couple
20 of years. Our local election officials are
21 bearing the brunt of it. We believe in the
22 rule of law where things like the voter
23 challenge procedure or open records the
24 counties have had to deal with. We believe
25 that what we're seeing right now is local
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1 election officials having to deal with these
2 laws and allowances being used in a way that
3 they weren't intended to be -- to be used for.
4 And we hope that is Board can stand with local
5 elections officials like Joseph Kirk. Hats
6 off to them. Or if it's Joseph Kirk, hats on
7 to -- to Joseph Kirk. Right now, there's a
8 holy trinity going on in our election system.
9 Low pay, long hours, misinformation at best
10 and threats of political violence, at worst.
11 We encourage you to do everything you can to
12 stand up for our local elections officials.
13 We hope people take advantage of all the
14 opportunities of public observation. Like
15 with many other things that Mr. Kirk was
16 talking about. So if there's more correct
17 information about what's going on in the
18 system.
19 A couple of concerns I have going
20 forward. The week before early voting,
21 elections officials have to send out all
22 outstanding absentee ballots. They have to
23 process all the outstanding registrations in
24 the three days after the deadline. And then
25 they also have to prepare for early vote the
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1 next week. Which is the -- the method of
2 choice for Georgia voters. And then in the
3 four weeks between the election and the
4 runoff, they'll have to deal with so much, as
5 well. We hope you stand with these election
6 officials and do whatever you can to make
7 their lives easier. Thank you so much.
8 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you very much. Anne-
9 Gray Herring?
10 MS. HERRING: Hi, my name is Anne-Gray
11 Herring. I'm the policy analyst at Common
12 Cause Georgia. And I want to thank the Board
13 and Mr. Evans for the presentation on the
14 risk-limiting audits. We completely agree
15 that these audits are only going to serve to
16 help our elections and further the public
17 trust in the election results. We would
18 support, as was mentioned, an RLA after the
19 runoff in addition to after the general
20 election in November. And would even
21 encourage the State and counties to strive to
22 audit more statewide races then the one that's
23 required, you know, two or more could be
24 audited. But we acknowledge that that's
25 difficult for counties and would encourage the
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1 State Board and Secretary of State's Office to
2 provide as much support and guidance to
3 counties as possible on their role in the RLA
4 process. And help them better plan and
5 prepare for that. And while we think that a
6 risk-limiting audits are an important step
7 that can help dispel misplaced suspicions
8 about our election. We do want to acknowledge
9 that it's not a solution for all the problems
10 that exist in our State and point out some
11 things the risk-limiting audit cannot do. It
12 won't resolve voter confusion or mask unfair
13 challenges to individual voters. It won't
14 resolve discriminatory practices and the
15 results do not show the effects of voting
16 barriers, like long lines, closed polling
17 places and relocated precincts and ballot
18 drops -- drop boxes. Nor can the RLA measure
19 the desperate impact of heightened voter ID
20 requirements and ballot rejections. Thank
21 you.
22 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you very much. Ted
23 Metz?
24 MR METZ: I am Ted Metz. I am a Cobb
25 County voter. And I would just like to ask
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1 the Board to encourage precincts and -- and
2 voting centers to actually hand count the
3 ballots that are being produced by the ballot
4 marking device. And post those results before
5 the go into the scanner. Then that's the best
6 way to test the scanners to see if the
7 scanners are actually creating accurate
8 results. That way we also have a record of --
9 of the votes, the voter intent from the paper
10 ballot which is, you know, legally considered
11 evidence of voter intent. And that will
12 restore confidence. If the numbers match,
13 then we can put the whole thing to rest. But
14 we need to do this every election. So that is
15 something I'm asking of you is to make sure
16 that at the county level, the precinct level
17 that they are encouraged to actually do a hand
18 count. We've got plenty of volunteers that
19 are willing to sit and count the ballots by
20 hand using old fashioned tally sheets and --
21 and that, again, having a record of what the
22 votes are cast, voter intent before they go in
23 the -- in the scanners. And then comparing
24 that the hand count to the scanner count that
25 those numbers are equal, everybody's good. If
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1 they're not, then we know that there's a
2 problem and -- and we need to solve the
3 problem which is probably by getting rid of
4 the ballot tabulators made by Dominion because
5 we know that they can be hacked in about 37
6 different ways. The only other thing I would
7 ask is that we actually restore some higher
8 level of signature verifications for absentee
9 ballots. And with that I yield.
10 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you very much. Amanda
11 Pettyman? Prettyman?
12 MS. PRETTYMAN: Amanda Prettyman from
13 Bibb County. Thank you Board members for
14 having this meeting today allowing public
15 comment. A famous communist said, it's not
16 who cast the vote, it's who counts the vote.
17 And in the State of Georgia, who counts the
18 vote is the Secretary of State's Office and a
19 private company, Dominion. Maybe that's not
20 communist, maybe it's more fascist. But the
21 count is -- while casting the vote is done in
22 localities and in precincts. The count is
23 actually highly centralized so it may look
24 like it's not, but it's all a façade. Because
25 the programming is done for counting and then
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1 it's -- it's shrouded in secrecy. We have no
2 ability to check the code to make sure it's
3 one person, one vote. How is that vote being
4 counted? And you might refer to audits, but
5 Phillip Stark in reading his paper in Curling
6 versus Raffensperger has, first count audit
7 and re-count differ substantially with the
8 2020 risk-limiting audit. And with the
9 roughly 3,200 precincts in Georgia, three to
10 four votes changed in each precinct. It can
11 change the outcome of the statewide election.
12 And yet with a five percent or less, when you
13 look at just these spot checks, you just have
14 a few off, you -- no one does anything about
15 it. They say, well, that's within reason.
16 But if you don't look statewide, and you don't
17 make sure that those ballots are -- are a true
18 voter and a number of other things, then you
19 don't really have a true audit. And so I
20 don't have confidence in our system. And I --
21 I would very much prefer that we hand count.
22 If you can't get rid of the system for this
23 election, at least add full hand counting. Go
24 beyond the risk-limiting audit. In -- in Bibb
25 County there were 26 in one precinct from the
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1 primary in the Secretary of State's race. And
2 the hand count was accurate. It was counted
3 three times with the same results. And no one
4 has done anything. So we've asked to look
5 more to see if that problem extends further
6 into other precincts or if it's isolated to
7 that one, and then from there determine what
8 the cause is. But no one will do it and part
9 of it is because they are scared of the
10 Secretary of State. I would prefer more, I
11 guess, more curiosity and let's just find the
12 truth instead of being so scared. Thank you.
13 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you. David Cross?
14 MR. CROSS: Mr. Lindsey, I understand you
15 missed me last time.
16 MR. LINDSEY: I always miss you, Mr.
17 Cross. Good to see you.
18 MR. CROSS: That's weird it didn't count
19 all the votes. Those words were spoken by an
20 election worker last October in Williamson
21 County, Tennessee. An election observer there
22 learned that two precinct scanners did not
23 tabulate the votes properly. One tabulator
24 had 163 ballots in it, but only recorded 79
25 votes. The other tabulator had 167 ballots,
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1 but only 19 votes were counted. Williamson
2 County, Tennessee contacted the Tennessee
3 Secretary of State. He conducted an
4 investigation and found that seven of their 18
5 scanners did not count ballots accurately.
6 The Tennessee Secretary of State contacted the
7 United States government's Election Assistance
8 Commission to investigate. The government
9 conducted their own tests with Pro V&V, S&L
10 Compliance and Dominion all present. After
11 scanning the ballots, they got the same
12 miscount of the ballots. Investigators
13 reviewed the system log files which is nothing
14 more than a diary that the machine keeps of
15 every interaction it has with a person or a
16 piece of paper. It showed multiple instances
17 of an error called a QR code signature
18 mismatch with a warning message of ballot
19 format or ID is unrecognizable. Testers
20 noticed that the machines counted the votes
21 properly until the error was triggered. After
22 the error was triggered, every current ballot
23 in the machine was not counted and every
24 ballot after it was not counted until the
25 machine was reset. The EAC Dominion Pro V&V
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1 and S&L compliance report the cause as
2 inconclusive. After a month Dominion informed
3 the government that the cause was an error in
4 the scanner software. The government asked
5 Dominion to fix it and a patch was made. As
6 part of the government's investigation, two
7 other states that used the same software were
8 notified of the problem, Alaska and Iowa. The
9 EAC tells us there were no other reports of
10 this problem. It is isolated in Tennessee. I
11 remember seeing that exact same error code in
12 Gwinnett County's 2020 primary files when I
13 was researching suspect results for Judge
14 Kathy Schrader. Those Gwinnett finals from
15 2020 showed 84 instances of the Williamson
16 error. We, the election oversight group,
17 asked the US government if the Williamson
18 error was found in any other states or
19 counties. The author, please give me another
20 moment. The author told us there were no
21 reports of the Williamson error anywhere else
22 in the United States. The election oversight
23 group placed open records requests for scanner
24 history files from all 159 counties. Judge,
25 you wanted us to present this -- this
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1 information sooner, but we were unlawfully
2 blocked and significantly delayed by Ryan
3 German and Blake Evans. As of today, we have
4 only files from 66 of 159 counties. So far 64
5 of the 66 counties reporting have the
6 Williamson error. That's 97 percent of the
7 Georgia files.
8 MR. DUFFEY: You need to wrap up, Mr.
9 Cross.
10 MR. CROSS: I'll get there. The software
11 causing the error was originally written 2018.
12 The software has not been updated on any
13 Georgia scanners. The bottom line is is our
14 work indicates the precinct scanners in
15 Georgia have not counted ballots accurately
16 since they were installed. The Secretary of
17 State announced that he's going to be removing
18 QR codes from the ballots. That will do
19 nothing --
20 MR. DUFFEY: Mr. Cross.
21 MR. CROSS: -- to correct the issue.
22 MR. DUFFEY: Mr. Cross, honor the time
23 limit please.
24 MR. CROSS: I'm sorry?
25 MR. DUFFEY: Honor the time limit.
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2 look at this. I sent you files. Mark, I hope
3 you will report on it.
4 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: They won't.
5 MR. DUFFEY: If those are all the public
6 comments, on behalf of the Board and behalf of
7 everybody who presented today who provided
8 information, I hope you found it valuable.
9 For those that are watching, I appreciate your
10 time and attention. And we look forward to
11 seeing you at our next meeting. We'll be
12 adjourned.
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STATE OF GEORGIA
COUNTY OF GWINNETT
I, Rebecca, Certified Court Reporter, hereby certify that
the foregoing pages numbered 3 through 199 constitute a true,
correct, and accurate transcript of the testimony heard before
me, an officer duly authorized to administer oaths, and was
transcribed under my supervision.
I further certify that I am a disinterested party to
this action and that I am neither of kin nor counsel to
any of the parties hereto.
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the 19th day of October 2022.
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25:16,23 169:13 assume (1) 118:2,7,11,13,19,20, available (10)
announce (1) April (3) 112:17 22,24,25;119:2,10,25; 16:7;52:8;78:14;
95:6 78:24;169:12; assumptions (1) 120:1,2,6,7,16,20,22, 80:2;83:20;104:7;
announced (1) 173:20 133:10 24;122:1;123:17; 109:1,9;148:10;
198:17 archaic (1) assurance (1) 127:16;128:2,6; 178:25
answered (3) 125:20 55:16 129:17;130:15,20,20, avoid (1)
42:24;51:22;154:24 archived (5) assure (2) 25;132:11;133:15,22; 168:13
answer's (1) 66:18,25;67:1,14; 84:6,9 134:5,10;135:3,5,7,8, awaits (1)
93:18 72:8 Athens (2) 11,15,24;136:2,13,16; 5:1
anymore (1) archives (1) 132:20;183:13 138:1,5;140:24; aware (8)
98:20 67:7 Atlanta (5) 141:24;154:6;165:21; 62:25;63:2,23,25;
appalling (1) area (3) 79:22,23,24;80:3; 166:4;171:9;182:9, 64:4;78:12;133:11;
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (2) allowed - aware
September 28, 2022
134:1 24;69:5,7,10,16,17; bare (1) 161:25 biggest (1)

away (4) 71:1;86:12,20;87:11, 47:14 became (7) 188:2
7:6;8:16;18:23; 18;90:25;94:17,17, barely (1) 15:9;17:2;78:11; bill (3)
165:6 19;96:13,13,18,21,23, 51:15 79:5;80:2;92:11; 25:3,7;141:14
aye (2) 25;97:15,17,19; Baronoff (1) 98:14 billionaires (1)
146:3,4 100:21;103:7;104:1; 163:12 become (1) 163:10
Ayers (1) 105:13;107:25;111:1, barriers (1) 152:25 bills (2)
163:21 2;112:21,24;117:12; 191:16 becoming (1) 23:14,19
120:20,25;121:3; Bartow (5) 70:3 bi-partisan (9)
B 124:8,10;126:16,17; 97:17;110:4;132:4; beef (1) 39:7;40:19,24;44:2;
130:12,18;133:20,23, 179:5;182:18 188:2 58:24;64:18;69:14;
back (41) 24;136:3,7,9,14; base (1) began (1) 134:1,6
7:10,10;14:22; 137:23,25;138:3,4; 168:17 153:14 bit (14)
18:14,15,23;41:2; 141:5,17,19,20; based (14) begin (3) 17:17;19:17;81:3;
44:18;66:8;68:9; 146:23,23;148:23; 14:5;15:24;45:22; 3:11;39:18;106:20 85:15,17;87:2;89:6;
69:16;74:9;79:2,22; 160:5,7,17,20,23; 78:17,22;98:3;110:9; beginning (5) 105:5,18;107:7;
80:1;81:2;94:14,23; 161:2;164:19;166:17, 116:18,25;122:20; 16:16;39:14,14; 173:17;181:23;
98:9,25;100:6;101:9; 19;176:21;180:16,23; 138:8;140:13,14; 91:25;111:24 182:15;184:9
103:15;107:22; 182:18;191:17,20; 170:15 begins (1) Blake (5)
109:17;110:3;111:24; 192:3,10;193:4; basically (3) 106:22 84:22;85:5;122:23;
116:6,13;126:11; 196:18,22,24 42:25;43:6;144:11 behalf (3) 157:9;198:3
129:22;130:24; ballots (173) basis (2) 9:12;199:6,6 blamed (1)
133:16;144:16; 20:1,12,14,17,21; 7:23;70:2 behind (2) 167:2
158:19;163:15; 22:18,21,23,23;23:1, batch (49) 17:20;77:19 blank (3)
168:24;173:20; 6,18,25;24:5;30:5,10, 94:22,22;100:15, beige (1) 46:24;179:17,18
182:23;183:21;188:5 12,16;36:16;38:14, 22;101:17,20;102:3,6, 12:24 blatantly (1)
background (5) 15;39:19,21;40:9,11; 12,12;103:5;107:2,5, belief (1) 162:18
89:7;164:7;165:5,7, 41:24;42:22;45:13, 11,12,13,15,18,21,23; 16:5 blocked (1)
12 20;46:3,19,20,25; 108:7,9,10,14;109:11, beliefs (1) 198:2
backup (5) 47:8;48:19;49:1,2,12, 13,14;110:14,16,17, 3:17 blue (7)
37:13;141:12,15, 16;50:9,10;56:9,11, 22;111:2,10,14;112:3, believable (2) 10:19;13:11,12;
16;154:13 16,18;67:18;68:23; 5,6,8,13,15;113:17, 9:1,17 52:25;53:9;57:18;
bad (1) 69:2,5,6,18;71:5; 18;126:2,4,16,17; believes (1) 61:25
172:16 86:19;87:14,25; 127:1,4,10 145:17 BMP (1)
balance (2) 88:16,22,25;89:2,12, batches (21) below (1) 175:8
149:20,22 17,25;90:18,22,25; 97:18,22,23; 95:10 Board (77)
BALBONA (25) 93:11,13,19,23;94:11, 101:13,15,25;103:10; benefit (1) 3:7;5:12,22;6:5;
54:15,22;55:10; 20,22;95:15;96:23; 105:12,17;106:10; 138:16 17:2,6,13;25:8,20;
56:24;60:9;61:4,7; 97:1,18;98:3,12,13, 108:8,12;111:6,17,19, benefits (1) 26:10,16;27:12;
113:25;114:7,16,25; 14,16,17,21;99:11; 22,24;113:10;126:16; 95:19 28:16,20;31:25;
123:24;124:3,6,14,22, 100:22;101:10,21; 127:21;128:2 best (15) 48:10;50:16;51:5;
25;125:6,14,20,23; 106:12,18;107:1,3,5, battery (1) 16:1;42:24;73:2; 62:9,20;63:21;64:16;
161:18,19,20;163:24 20;110:22;111:1,13, 52:14 75:9;115:20;122:1; 81:20,24;82:3;83:10;
ballot (190) 15,21;112:2,4,17,18, Battles (8) 123:2;137:14;140:22; 90:16;91:14;92:21;
20:2,12,13,17;21:1, 22,23;113:1,3,6,11, 159:2,4,10,12,14; 141:18;143:19; 94:14;95:24;97:8;
2,4,7,10,11,14,21; 21,22;116:23;117:8, 161:11,14,17 155:13;185:17;189:9; 100:18;107:14,15;
23:18,22,25;24:11; 13,13;119:24;120:15; Bay (1) 192:5 117:11;118:3,14;
29:18,24,25;30:17,19, 126:4,14,15;127:11, 4:2 better (6) 133:3;138:8,14;
22;35:7,13,14,21,24; 20;128:5,7,15;131:4; BBSG (1) 18:11,13;134:17; 139:3,15;142:11;
36:3,9,17,21,23,25; 133:21;134:3,4,8; 68:18 136:19;139:24;191:4 143:13;145:10;146:4,
37:5,6,7,10,11,14,15, 135:25;136:3,11; bear (1) Beyond (8) 11,25;147:17;150:22;
16,20,24,25;38:1,2,8, 137:20;141:8,21; 68:8 42:6,11;70:20; 151:3;154:23;160:2;
21;39:1,3,6,9,13;40:1, 147:20,20;148:14,19; bearing (1) 73:12;132:14;140:10, 161:5;163:23;166:15;
12;41:18,24;42:10,18, 160:24;166:24;167:8, 188:21 15;194:24 167:10,12,15;169:10;
18,21;43:8,11,11; 20,24;172:10,18; beat (1) bi- (1) 171:22;173:2;174:23;
44:13;45:17;46:3,11, 179:12,17,23,25; 139:4 42:3 177:18;178:20;185:5,
15,16,24;47:1,7,10; 180:10,18,20;182:4, beautiful (1) Bibb (2) 12,13,16;187:19;
49:20;50:5,6,9;51:25; 13;183:4;185:15,22; 10:17 193:13;194:24 189:4;190:12;191:1;
53:23;54:14,17;55:1, 187:14;188:9,13; beautifully (1) Biden (1) 192:1;193:13;199:6
1,2,5,17,19,22,23,25; 189:22;192:3,19; 4:9 187:1 Boards (1)
56:1,4,5,8;57:11,20, 193:9;194:17;195:24, Beaver (1) big (3) 185:20
25;58:4;60:4,6,10; 25;196:5,11,12; 162:2 85:25;134:21; Board's (3)
67:16,21,22;68:1,5,5, 198:15,18 Beavers (1) 156:11 24:17,18;25:12
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (3) away - Board's
September 28, 2022
bodies (1) 129:13;151:12 call (16) 191:7,18;192:13; 20:15;22:18,20,22,

53:21 bringing (1) 3:6;11:8;39:11; 193:5;194:10 23;36:19;37:9,12,15;
body (2) 15:5 77:25;78:5,20;87:20; candidate (19) 39:20,21,25;40:9,11;
147:1;173:18 brings (1) 113:15;121:18,20; 22:1;46:18,19,20, 49:17,19,22;55:22;
book (3) 53:19 122:11,13;159:1; 21,21,22;69:8;97:4; 68:5;69:6;90:24;
11:14;12:4;13:8 broad (5) 169:5;175:7;183:22 102:11;113:16,16,19, 110:25;124:8;146:23;
both (13) 76:20;85:15; called (13) 19,20,20;166:5,6; 147:12,13;151:5;
5:7;20:21;42:7; 123:24;124:3;147:5 4:14;5:21;8:17; 170:21 182:18;183:4;192:22;
49:2;59:7;67:2;68:15; broader (1) 24:23;62:23;68:18; candidates (8) 193:16
130:22;131:15; 77:9 70:4;82:11;99:2,3; 22:6;40:24;43:5; casting (4)
142:20;179:24;183:4; broken (1) 142:15;146:25; 44:1;46:17;71:13; 23:23;38:12;
188:7 107:13 196:17 170:21;175:19 180:20;193:21
bother (1) brought (3) calling (1) canvas (1) catch (6)
176:15 134:5;184:8,14 122:23 70:4 72:4;86:2,22;
bottom (3) Brouillette (2) calls (2) canvass (2) 109:18;159:2;171:1
109:5;165:6;198:13 123:22;124:13 95:16;136:19 40:14;70:22 catching (1)
bound (1) Brouillette's (2) came (12) canvassing (2) 67:13
14:21 124:20;125:5 79:14;85:18;89:15; 148:12;179:25 categories (1)
box (33) brown (1) 92:5,9;99:4;110:25; cap (2) 87:17
37:5,12,16;38:1,3; 13:4 115:1;137:24;170:21; 111:19;112:3 Cause (4)
39:6,9,13;40:12; brunt (1) 172:7;173:19 capabilities (1) 190:12;195:8;
41:25;42:11;46:4; 188:21 camera (1) 177:5 197:1,3
47:1,7;50:6;54:14,17; build (2) 34:5 capability (4) caused (1)
55:22;56:8;60:6; 109:20;115:21 Campton (1) 20:21;53:6;57:21; 59:25
67:16,21;68:5,24; Building (2) 79:7 58:10 causing (1)
69:5,7,10,16,17; 110:6;154:16 Can (146) capacity (1) 198:11
111:2;112:24;141:20; builds (2) 3:3;4:6,7;7:6;10:5; 157:24 CDW (3)
166:23 87:4;135:21 11:22;13:8;16:10; captured (1) 162:7,10,14
boxes (5) built (1) 17:12,13,18,22;18:11, 40:1 cease (1)
50:5,9;166:24; 148:8 14,24,25;19:3,4,19; card (5) 155:23
169:13;191:18 bullet (1) 33:23;34:2,6,8,10,14, 24:1;69:25;70:6,15; cellular (1)
Brad (1) 180:18 14;35:21;36:10;37:4; 71:7 59:19
114:9 bulletin (2) 38:9,9;39:1,9,10; cards (7) centers (1)
BRADSHAW (9) 104:10;119:20 40:17,18,20;41:10,10; 24:1;41:21;42:6; 192:2
32:17;73:16; bulletins (1) 42:1,3;45:24;46:14; 43:14;60:8;69:21; central (4)
112:20,23;113:5; 103:17 49:5;50:1,2,2,20; 71:6 41:3;53:14,24;70:1
137:16,22;171:16,17 bundled (1) 54:1;55:10;56:24; care (1) centralized (2)
brand (1) 163:1 57:9;60:3;61:18,20, 163:21 155:16;193:23
25:21 burden (1) 22;63:5;65:16;67:11; career (1) CEO (1)
breach (1) 8:6 69:7;70:11;71:16; 177:25 32:13
78:24 Bureau (2) 72:20;74:19;80:20; Carolina (1) certain (8)
breached (1) 81:25;82:5 84:12,19;85:2,7; 137:2 16:23;25:9;50:4,4;
70:11 bush (1) 86:14;89:9;91:10; Carrie (1) 60:21;95:19;154:15;
break (11) 4:24 92:4;93:18,21;97:15; 170:7 186:20
4:15;23:9;74:9,18; business (1) 99:14;101:7,22; carried (2) certainly (4)
126:25,25;158:16,17, 91:21 102:4,5,5,8,10,11; 50:23;188:4 6:6;34:10;48:2;
18,21;181:17 bust (1) 103:7;104:16,18,24; carries (3) 139:6
breaking (1) 179:25 105:4;106:3,3,18; 19:23;24:21;25:24 Certification (15)
58:18 butt (2) 108:21;109:4,6; carry (1) 26:2;41:13;53:5,21;
bride (2) 125:9,10 111:17;119:14,14; 20:21 57:24;64:24;65:9;
10:18;12:22 butterfly (1) 121:20;122:13; case (34) 66:11;90:12,21;
brief (2) 132:17 123:15;126:18; 6:3,9,10,13,14,15, 94:15;95:22;118:9;
74:23;182:7 buying (1) 128:11;129:25;131:1, 20,23;7:14;8:24;9:12; 128:9;132:11
briefed (1) 7:4 3,23;132:1,6,14; 14:14;22:5;29:13,21; certified (6)
153:24 Bye (1) 136:16;137:2,14; 30:8,8;32:25;33:11; 48:22;65:25,25;
briefly (3) 74:16 140:20;142:3;143:8, 36:12;46:2;62:5; 66:5,14;86:4
41:4;64:15;179:7 bypass (1) 9,17;145:3;152:20, 70:13;71:23;126:3,7; certify (3)
Bright (2) 79:18 21;153:13;154:3; 132:22;145:11; 27:13;102:19;
4:14;151:12 158:5;163:10;167:17; 153:22;164:3,12; 128:11
brightness (1) C 168:10;171:5,7,9,9; 165:13;177:3;184:11 chain (14)
4:24 180:11;181:22,25; cases (3) 38:1;40:13;42:12;
bring (5) calculated (1) 183:25;188:11,14; 6:9,11;17:11 65:23;70:10,17;71:2;
41:8;79:22;107:3; 152:17 189:4,11;190:6; cast (31) 96:17;107:4;133:19;
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (4) bodies - chain
September 28, 2022
134:2;179:15,15,18 checking (1) 139:22 4;84:8;147:3,15; 8:2,2

chains (1) 44:9 Clark (1) 149:3;175:24;176:13; committee (2)
148:11 check-out (2) 77:12 184:10 24:1,13
Chair (4) 107:19,20 clean (1) cognizant (1) committees (4)
15:9;17:1,2;175:15 checks (4) 181:1 8:5 26:24;28:13,23,24
Chairman (26) 34:25;43:16;74:5; clear (7) coherent (2) common (2)
17:16;33:10,24; 194:13 55:25;77:8,13; 76:10,17 52:13;190:11
34:15;37:3;41:13; Cherokee (1) 83:17;92:11;99:22; collected (1) commonly (1)
45:14;51:7,12;54:12; 185:11 147:21 184:24 88:13
59:8;60:13;61:17; chief (2) clearly (1) collecting (2) communicate (4)
62:10;64:2,3;67:9; 27:2;163:22 90:4 109:11,15 5:18;21:12;30:19;
74:12;140:5;142:7; chip (1) click (2) collection (2) 153:9
143:11,20;144:22; 53:9 109:4,6 83:13,21 communicating (2)
145:6,15;164:1 choice (3) close (11) collections (1) 152:9;155:13
chairpersons (1) 7:16;20:18;190:2 27:22;40:3;58:17; 83:16 communication (4)
26:24 choices (6) 68:7,8,19;71:13; collectively (3) 61:24;121:16;
challenge (2) 23:12;44:14;97:2; 98:10;108:16;158:12; 6:5;152:7;156:7 153:4;156:17
175:11;188:23 120:21;148:20; 177:16 collects (1) communications (3)
challenges (1) 164:20 closed (4) 184:17 83:9;84:2;156:1
191:13 choose (4) 40:5;45:23;68:22; collegial (1) communist (2)
Chan (1) 39:21;104:6;185:2, 191:16 153:2 193:15,20
173:3 3 closeness (1) colloquial (1) communities (1)
chance (7) chose (1) 95:11 144:11 178:3
3:24;39:20;44:12, 99:1 closer (1) Colorado (1) comp (1)
12;131:18;141:18; chosen (2) 17:23 101:1 188:6
142:23 50:6,7 closes (1) colored (1) compact (2)
change (10) chronological (4) 40:3 13:2 71:17;72:7
15:23;23:22;43:7; 75:2,3,5,6 Cloud (1) colors (1) companies (1)
53:16;66:6;147:18, Cindy (2) 163:20 13:4 163:14
23;148:7;169:11; 159:2,14 cloud-based (1) Columba (1) company (5)
194:11 CIO (1) 161:23 4:2 62:23;65:3;99:2;
changed (4) 162:2 co- (1) combination (1) 120:18;193:19
50:22,24;79:16; Circuit (1) 164:1 186:9 compare (8)
194:10 165:2 Coalition (1) combined (1) 86:14;102:10;
changes (1) circulated (1) 159:16 162:19 108:13,19;111:9;
159:18 122:18 coast (1) comfortable (1) 121:2;127:2;180:8
changing (1) circum (1) 6:13 143:1 compared (3)
53:18 54:20 Cobb (3) coming (8) 70:23;99:16;126:19
channels (1) circumstance (1) 161:20;175:17; 11:2;85:5,20;86:13; comparing (1)
82:9 54:10 191:24 87:11;92:7;105:12; 192:23
chapter (8) circumstances (2) cocaine (1) 135:3 comparison (4)
22:15;26:6,6,7,15, 26:11;79:8 7:17 command (1) 100:15;102:13;
15;27:15,19 CISA (4) cocktail (1) 176:20 127:7,12
characters (1) 99:5,8;176:5; 12:24 comment (6) compelling (2)
176:3 186:22 Code (43) 33:18;34:24; 176:10,10
charge (1) cite (2) 16:14;19:21;21:19, 158:25;174:10,11; competing (1)
148:1 125:7;170:19 21;23:2,7;24:12,23; 193:15 149:17
charged (1) citizen (6) 25:16,21,22,24;27:4, comments (9) complainant (1)
7:15 71:24;150:20; 11,16,18,19;29:3,9; 33:16;139:12; 125:18
charges (1) 151:18;158:10,13; 30:10;49:7,14,18; 140:5;158:13,20; complaint (7)
8:14 174:7 51:24;65:20,21;66:4, 164:6;166:10;168:6; 125:12,22;129:11,
Charlene (1) city (1) 8;90:4,16;91:24; 199:6 18;142:2;165:19;
32:23 8:15 130:11,14,20;131:2,9; Commission (10) 173:20
cheap (1) claim (3) 164:4,7,17,22;194:2; 64:5,9,13,17,19; complaints (2)
169:7 29:22;30:25;188:6 196:17;197:11 65:15;66:9,14;166:1; 5:15;125:17
cheaper (1) claimed (1) codes (4) 196:8 complete (14)
182:16 78:6 48:19,23;131:11; Commissioners (1) 40:8;46:23;58:12;
check (7) clarification (2) 198:18 185:13 90:20;91:5;95:21;
11:15;31:6;47:7; 61:4,7 Coffee (31) Commission's (1) 101:15;102:25;
49:25;107:11;176:15; clarified (1) 74:24;77:9,10,21, 68:17 106:14,18;112:9;
194:2 104:12 23;78:3,5,7,8,21;79:4, commit (1) 116:18;132:10;
check-in (3) clarify (4) 5;80:8,11,11,15;81:4, 8:8 133:14
107:6,9,10 33:13;93:7;126:2; 9,19;82:3,17,23;83:2, committed (2) Completely (3)
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (5) chains - Completely
September 28, 2022
13:14;113:12; 132:6;135:11;165:8; 25:9,10 128:3,4;185:16 25;130:21;136:6;

190:14 182:3 consider (2) continued (1) 154:7;165:21;166:7;
completing (1) conducted (25) 5:7;95:10 186:13 180:8,21;182:14,18;
96:22 3:23;16:18;20:1,11; considered (5) continues (1) 192:2,18,19,24,24;
completion (1) 21:20;24:7,8;75:21; 4:11;23:1;26:20; 39:5 193:21,22;194:6,21;
91:13 81:24;85:22;90:17; 29:18;192:10 contrabands (1) 195:2,18;196:5
Compliance (6) 91:23,24;94:6;100:4; considering (1) 28:3 counted (20)
26:2;27:15;65:14; 113:12;120:17; 149:12 contract (3) 30:5;36:11;39:1;
121:9;196:10;197:1 132:10;135:5,7,15; consist (1) 163:20;174:13,15 55:16;56:17;95:16;
compliant (2) 148:15;182:8;196:3,9 87:13 contracts (1) 101:25;110:23;
66:10;166:14 conducting (3) consistent (2) 20:5 112:12;146:24;
complied (2) 90:19;100:15;182:2 104:20;175:21 contrary (2) 147:13;179:24;180:5;
29:19;174:8 conducts (1) consistently (3) 22:16;26:9 194:4;195:2;196:1,
comply (8) 100:7 87:3;109:22;115:22 control (4) 20,23,24;198:15
29:23;30:1,18; confidence (30) consolidated (1) 18:7;38:3;54:2; counter (3)
31:17,17;166:21; 75:15;86:24;87:1; 24:9 171:21 60:3,9,10
167:6,23 88:19;91:21;93:16, consolidation (1) controlled (1) counties (57)
component (1) 21,24;98:7;100:10; 180:1 44:23 25:14;73:10;89:23;
147:6 109:20;110:6;115:21; constant (1) controversial (1) 95:15;99:10,10,23;
components (1) 116:9;133:8;135:22; 180:25 167:25 100:4,20;101:8,25;
21:6 137:13;143:8,10,19; constantly (1) convenient (2) 102:19,22;103:16;
composition (1) 145:4;149:4;169:20; 179:21 122:16;152:18 105:13;106:9,11,15,
167:13 170:14;181:14; Constitution (1) conversation (1) 19;108:1,6;109:12;
comprehensive (2) 182:17;183:2;187:5; 173:23 78:18 111:18;112:14;
41:14;164:10 192:12;194:20 constitutional (1) convicted (1) 118:13;128:10,16;
comprised (4) confident (2) 173:22 13:17 129:1;132:1,4,9,14;
96:15;108:2,3; 77:2;135:14 consulting (1) convince (1) 133:16,24;135:2,4,7;
118:19 configured (1) 80:4 185:14 137:4;148:16,21,25;
compromise (2) 58:13 consume (2) cooperation (1) 166:20,22;167:2,7,19;
143:5;175:23 confirm (6) 97:15,19 99:8 169:10;172:5;178:21;
compute (1) 11:9;86:23;109:19; contact (2) coordinator (2) 188:24;190:21,25;
21:5 130:21;133:7;182:24 122:16,20 12:1;184:8 191:3;197:19,24;
computer (5) confirmed (4) contacted (2) copies (5) 198:4,5
70:1,8,9;79:15; 38:12;99:19;110:9; 196:2,6 40:5;68:20,24; counting (7)
81:19 178:10 contain (1) 69:12;71:11 56:4;98:21;141:24;
computers (2) confirming (1) 142:20 copy (7) 180:13;182:13;
53:17;80:17 176:6 container (4) 39:25;40:18,20; 193:25;194:23
concept (2) confirms (1) 94:21,21;96:13; 69:2,15,16;71:8 country (6)
41:23;111:11 135:20 104:1 corner (2) 5:6;168:10,20,21;
concern (9) conflict (1) containers (3) 55:3,13 169:3;170:11
95:16;129:25; 27:17 94:19;96:21;100:22 corrected (2) counts (9)
142:8;167:15,17; conflicting (3) contends (1) 31:10;140:21 7:18,19;56:9;
171:8,12,25;185:25 9:16;26:3;27:21 144:2 correction (1) 128:15,20;129:3,4;
concerned (3) confusing (1) content (2) 76:15 193:16,17
156:10;161:3;163:8 127:13 3:22;179:12 corrupt (1) county (109)
concerning (1) confusion (1) contest (31) 42:21 20:3,4,8;23:17;
173:21 191:12 8:5;35:18,18,19; corrupted (1) 24:9;29:17;30:25;
concerns (4) Congress (2) 36:4;43:6;46:16;47:3, 70:10 44:11;45:19;71:25;
38:14;156:11; 24:20,22 4;56:20;69:8;88:23; cost (2) 74:24;77:9,10,11,12,
171:3;189:19 congressional (2) 90:22;91:4;95:3,5,6,7, 162:20,23 21,23;78:3,5,7,8,21;
conclude (1) 24:21,23 9,13,14,16,18;98:3; counsel (5) 79:4,6;80:11,15;81:5,
108:25 connect (1) 100:19;109:19; 6:21;7:11;27:1; 9,19;82:4,18,23;83:2,
concluded (2) 59:18 115:15,18,25;116:7; 185:25;187:20 4,8,10,14,15;84:8;
78:23;199:13 connected (5) 132:9 count (52) 89:4,8;92:7;93:2;
conclusion (4) 35:9,10,12;58:11; contested (1) 9:6;38:17,22;46:3; 94:8,15,16;95:20;
16:4;32:11;78:17; 61:20 94:23 47:17;50:13,14; 96:3,4;97:17,20;
147:16 connecting (2) contests (2) 54:22;55:18;56:22; 101:17,18,19;102:6,
conduct (24) 58:19;59:3 95:20;115:11 71:4;73:17;86:6,14, 15;103:8,9;106:13,
14:6,7;16:25;24:4; connection (1) context (1) 23;87:9,16;88:18; 25;107:6,8;109:25;
77:7,10,11,15;82:3,4; 57:9 24:18 98:15;99:14,17; 110:4;111:16;112:2;
84:16;90:11;91:5,16; connectivity (4) continuation (2) 106:17;108:20,20; 115:17;116:2,4;
96:8;99:25;100:2; 58:9;61:11,13,23 187:2,3 113:22,22;120:22; 117:7;118:5;119:3,
117:23,24;118:25; consent (2) continue (3) 121:3;127:25;128:23, 16;122:20;124:14,16;
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125:2,4;126:9; critical (6) 74:16;101:20;102:6; 6:21;7:11,20,20,21, 124:2;175:4

127:21;137:5,9,18; 67:17;148:8; 110:19,21,24;111:3,4, 22,22;8:10 description (8)
147:3,15;149:3; 156:25;186:3,12,15 5;126:4,13;165:20; defiance (1) 10:8;11:3;15:7,8;
160:25;161:20; criticized (1) 169:1;175:5 167:4 33:21;34:19;72:15;
165:23;170:20; 32:9 days (16) define (2) 152:1
172:25;175:16,17,24; Cross (11) 28:5,17,23;29:1,12; 93:6;153:11 design (1)
176:13,25;177:21; 195:13,14,17,18; 91:21;99:13;102:24; defined (3) 76:5
179:6;180:25;182:18; 198:9,10,20,21,22,24; 104:11;106:15;133:7; 29:9;90:4;186:3 designate (3)
184:10;185:11,12; 199:1 154:19;156:19; defines (1) 93:10;104:2;118:21
191:25;192:16; CRUZ (7) 160:22;176:12; 21:3 designated (4)
193:13;194:25; 132:18,20,20,25; 189:24 defining (1) 96:10;103:25;
195:21;196:2 183:11,12,13 DC (1) 43:1 104:19;186:15
County's (5) culture (1) 82:11 definition (2) designates (1)
80:8;83:19;117:9; 87:6 deadline (2) 21:2;161:7 118:23
121:9;197:12 curiosity (1) 95:22;189:24 definitive (2) designed (5)
couple (13) 195:11 deal (7) 25:3;64:22 23:24;43:25;53:4;
3:24;78:17;88:3; Curland (3) 14:16;142:3;155:7; degree (2) 58:6,22
97:12;104:11;153:17; 62:5,13,14 157:1;188:24;189:1; 88:18;93:24 designees (2)
156:19,19;162:1; Curling (5) 190:4 DeKalb (5) 96:15;118:20
172:23;181:18; 145:11;164:8; dealing (1) 124:15;125:1,4; desire (3)
188:19;189:19 175:6;177:3;194:5 15:2 165:23;170:20 83:19;124:19;132:2
course (7) current (10) dealt (3) delayed (1) desks (1)
56:11;79:3;86:25; 29:22;30:18;64:23; 78:21;123:9;129:2 198:2 74:22
89:16;111:12;133:12; 80:1;156:4;167:9; debilitating (1) delete (2) desperate (1)
138:9 177:20;178:21;188:2; 186:7 23:21;181:4 191:19
court (21) 196:22 decades (1) deliberations (1) Despite (1)
7:5;17:18;29:17; currently (2) 38:15 29:14 178:24
30:4,9,17,25;31:1; 48:22;81:23 decency (1) delightful (1) destroyed (1)
62:6,24;77:25;83:23; custody (14) 174:6 9:10 166:23
143:16;144:6;145:17; 38:2;40:13;42:12; decide (2) delivery (1) destroying (1)
153:25;154:8,9,11; 70:10,17;71:3;96:18; 101:6;184:6 160:15 166:20
165:9;177:2 107:4;133:19;134:3; decided (5) Dell (3) destruction (2)
courts (1) 148:12;179:15,15,18 30:18;32:25;82:10; 53:17,18,18 167:3;186:6
154:2 cut (1) 92:19;163:18 delve (3) detail (3)
COVID (1) 69:24 decision (10) 183:21;184:9,15 9:23;81:17;102:17
104:17 cyber (1) 31:1,2;79:20; demanded (1) detailed (2)
crack (1) 62:22 115:10;136:10,17; 170:22 142:13;148:2
169:7 cybersecurity (3) 154:3,4;165:1,3 democracy (3) details (5)
create (8) 143:5;145:2,14 decisions (1) 31:20;33:21;158:10 11:1;12:3;84:12;
36:9;45:12;56:3; 5:16 democratic (1) 91:11;124:5
64:21;96:14;97:21; D deck (5) 125:1 detect (1)
99:5;118:18 45:13;48:19,24; demonstrate (2) 180:11
created (4) damage (1) 49:1,3 49:5;167:17 determination (1)
25:21;64:19; 149:3 declarations (1) demonstrates (1) 138:5
185:24;186:22 darn (1) 175:9 65:11 determine (17)
creates (1) 137:6 declaring (1) demonstrating (1) 19:3;60:19;72:3;
87:5 data (10) 29:7 146:21 76:24;84:15;88:15;
creating (1) 66:18;67:1,8,14; decline (2) Dems (1) 93:13;96:25;98:2;
192:7 81:12;133:17;184:17, 184:19,20 175:16 116:9,11,23;118:10,
creator (2) 21,23,23 declining (1) Department (1) 12;154:7;174:12;
114:8;115:1 date (12) 59:16 186:10 195:7
credentialed (1) 8:13;9:2;11:16; dedicated (6) depending (1) determined (1)
4:12 12:5,6,9;13:5,6,6; 72:21;130:1; 107:8 16:18
credible (4) 26:18;95:1;96:1 136:23;137:5,9,11 depict (1) develop (1)
7:23;10:25;164:16; dates (2) deemed (3) 80:21 157:5
179:16 13:15;102:24 66:4,10;163:4 depictions (2) device (20)
crime (4) David (1) deeper (2) 80:22,22 21:5;23:22;35:7,8,
8:1,2,8,15 195:13 183:21;184:9 deputy (1) 11,25;36:17,18;
criminal (7) day (31) defendant (2) 96:12 37:10;42:22;57:25;
6:14;9:11;75:11,16; 9:1;11:1,10;12:11; 8:1;9:13 describe (2) 58:10,16;59:4,5,18;
77:6;81:21;84:11 13:23;34:2;39:4,6,14, defendant's (1) 10:5;160:12 61:17,18,20;192:4
criteria (1) 19;40:2,4,10;49:22; 7:14 described (5) devices (18)
95:11 52:5;56:11;68:6; defense (8) 30:3;31:16;81:6; 23:19;29:19,25;
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30:17,18;32:6;37:21; disclosed (4) 157:15 dress (5) 183:9,11;185:8;

42:18;43:9,11;44:4, 62:6;76:14;77:25; DMV (1) 10:18;12:23,24; 187:16,17;190:8;
13;47:11;53:13; 82:21 184:25 13:3,11 191:22;193:10;
57:12,17,21;80:7 disclosure (1) document (2) drift (1) 195:13;198:8,20,22,
DHS (2) 81:3 94:18;148:17 132:23 25;199:5
99:4;186:18 discovered (1) Documentation (1) drive (5) DUFORT (5)
diary (1) 75:8 148:11 71:18;72:7;78:4; 115:6,8,8,9;174:20
196:14 discovery (1) documented (1) 81:13,18 dumpster (1)
dice (2) 165:17 133:19 driver's (1) 159:24
105:23;106:3 discreet (3) documents (6) 74:5 duration (1)
didn’t (1) 68:3,11,24 17:8;32:24;83:6,9; drives (2) 29:11
144:10 discrepancies (7) 109:2,7 78:10;80:23 during (17)
die (1) 128:4,14,21,25; Dominion (44) driving (1) 24:7;33:15;38:17,
105:23 129:6;182:4;183:3 29:25;31:20;32:14; 183:18 18;40:10,14;58:9;
differ (1) discrepancy (2) 36:15;37:18;49:6; drop (6) 96:19;103:9;105:3;
194:7 127:17,18 52:4,16,23;56:7,7; 111:2;166:23; 138:9;140:18,24;
different (16) discretion (2) 63:13,19;64:8;65:19; 168:24;169:13;174:6; 156:8,8,25;168:7
5:12;7:2,13;75:8; 145:17;156:1 66:13;67:3;72:1,7; 191:18 duties (1)
82:22;84:9,10;97:16; discriminatory (1) 74:1;79:17;108:17, drops (1) 6:7
101:12;110:18; 191:14 19;114:10;120:11,14; 191:18 duty (2)
127:10;135:9;151:12; discuss (4) 127:2;142:10;145:14; drove (1) 8:24;52:18
161:22;176:12;193:6 62:12;64:1;70:14; 164:18;165:21; 10:3
differently (2) 101:7 170:15;174:15;177:5, drug (2) E
69:20;107:7 discussed (2) 8,11;184:3;186:24; 7:16;9:2
difficult (3) 134:24;140:6 193:4,19;196:10,25; DUFFEY (177) EAC (3)
169:3;178:5;190:25 discussion (5) 197:2,5 3:2,6;5:11;7:5;17:5, 65:15;196:25;197:9
difficulty (1) 85:14;138:7; Dominion’s (1) 22;18:2,5,7,11,14,20, Earl (2)
67:10 145:23;146:2;153:15 164:4 24;19:3;31:11,14; 176:23,24
digit (1) discussions (3) don’t (4) 32:21;33:3,6,9,15,20; earlier (4)
106:5 5:22;29:14;139:17 79:11;114:20; 34:4,8,11,16,20;41:7; 17:25;62:2;98:11;
digital (7) dishonesty (1) 124:18;132:12 42:16;44:18,25;45:2; 137:7
37:16,19;38:11,24; 172:16 done (32) 46:8;47:10,18;48:10, early (4)
39:25;54:13;70:7 disinformation (1) 11:12;14:23,24; 15;50:15;51:4,8,16, 31:22;126:7;
digitally (5) 159:21 17:9;35:2;42:19; 19;52:2,25;53:8;54:1, 189:20,25
42:7;68:14,16,16, dismiss (2) 43:13,13,17;47:13; 16,19;55:11,15;57:2; earn (1)
25 30:7;172:15 49:8,10;51:1;54:21; 59:23;60:15;61:6,9, 100:10
diligence (1) dismissed (1) 62:22;65:7;68:1; 14;62:3;63:15;66:19, easier (4)
150:16 165:20 84:14;87:10;120:9, 23;67:2,6,13;71:15, 105:5;152:18;
direct (2) dismissing (1) 13;147:1;149:4; 19,22;72:9,11,19,23; 178:7;190:7
56:3;185:22 30:8 152:19;158:20; 73:5,20,23;74:1,8,13, easiest (2)
directed (1) dispel (1) 169:11;173:2;180:10; 17,19;85:9,23; 49:24;121:14
51:14 191:7 188:11;193:21,25; 110:13;111:20; easily (3)
direction (1) display (1) 195:4 112:16,21,25;113:24; 42:2;58:21,22
21:11 160:10 dongles (1) 114:18;115:3,7,10; easy (5)
directly (2) dispute (2) 58:20 116:8;117:18;118:10; 177:24;178:2,2,17,
24:16;83:3 70:20;147:9 double (1) 119:8,12;120:9,24; 25
Director (6) distance (1) 49:25 123:21,25;124:4,12, economic (1)
79:5,7,14;84:23; 42:5 down (14) 18,24;125:3,12,19,21, 186:8
103:18;159:15 distancing (1) 6:10,12;33:25; 24;127:16;129:9,21; educates (1)
disabled (1) 104:22 47:20;59:17;92:14; 130:7,9;131:6,17,21; 48:8
53:25 distinctly (1) 109:5;123:23,23,25; 132:1,16,19,22;133:2; education (1)
disagree (4) 12:13 124:5,6;141:4;173:7 135:23;136:18;138:6; 20:4
61:9;153:7,8,10 distinguished (1) downloaded (1) 139:3;140:2;143:22; Edward (1)
disappointed (1) 156:16 81:12 145:7,9,16,23;146:1, 157:25
173:18 distributed (2) dozens (1) 5,7,9;150:4,7;151:10; effect (2)
disaster (2) 71:13;176:3 175:19 158:22;159:6,11; 28:18;188:18
29:7,11 district (7) DR (8) 161:9,13,16,18; effected (1)
discharge (1) 35:16;82:6;165:9, 48:16,24;49:4,13; 163:24;165:24;166:2, 29:10
29:5 23;173:4;177:2,2 133:4;138:25;139:1,5 9;168:2;169:24; effective (2)
disclaimer (2) distrust (1) drafted (1) 170:3,9;171:15; 28:25;29:10
160:11,13 184:1 92:22 173:11,14;174:18; effects (1)
disclose (3) division (4) DRE (1) 176:22;177:13,16; 191:15
75:20;84:7;144:3 81:25;109:3;137:1; 22:17 179:2;181:16,21; efficient (2)
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149:18;180:14 190:3,5,17,20;191:8; emailed (4) ensuring (2) estimate (1)

effort (3) 192:14;194:11,23; 154:18;174:2,3,3 148:1;149:10 162:21
146:12;149:9; 195:20,21;196:7; emails (4) enter (4) estimated (2)
159:17 197:16,22 140:14;154:24; 25:9;78:9;80:12; 162:23;163:13
eight (1) elections (50) 155:9,21 108:6 eternity (1)
176:11 16:13,15;19:25; emanating (1) entered (1) 5:1
either (5) 20:9,10;24:3,4;79:4,6, 147:3 80:5 evaluate (5)
30:11;50:1;83:22; 13;80:12;83:11,14; emergency (28) enters (1) 143:9,18;145:3;
122:19;149:21 84:23;85:1,16;87:6; 22:19;24:17,19; 35:3 146:25;154:3
elaborate (1) 89:8;92:21;93:1; 25:13,19;26:1,7,10, entire (6) evaluation (2)
131:22 103:18;118:5;129:19, 13,19;27:7,8,10,13; 40:13;41:1;45:7; 9:4;144:5
elected (1) 22;135:6;137:13; 28:9,11,15,19;29:7,9, 66:8;126:20;177:22 Evans (42)
173:21 145:5;148:2,7; 11;169:16,16,18; entirely (1) 84:22;85:5,6,10,12,
Election (229) 149:25;157:15; 176:19,20;187:4,7 77:12 24;110:15;111:23;
3:7;14:15,16,17; 169:20;170:16; employee (1) entirety (5) 113:2,8;115:13;
16:25;17:6,14;19:21; 172:24;175:20;176:2, 79:17 65:20,21;66:1;69:9; 116:12;117:21;
21:17,20;22:1,5,9,10; 9;178:23;179:10; employees (2) 163:15 118:12;119:18;
23:11,17;24:7,8,10, 180:15;181:14; 80:14,17 entities (1) 120:12;121:4,13,22;
19;25:8,12,20;26:10, 185:13;187:6,8,25; empty (1) 97:16 122:10,13;123:7,12;
16;27:1,12;28:16,19; 188:19;189:5,12,21; 39:10 entitled (2) 126:11,23;127:15,19;
35:5;38:3,6;39:9,17, 190:16 enacted (1) 19:22;162:3 128:17,24;129:3;
19;41:1;42:4,17,25; election's (1) 25:4 entity (2) 130:14,19;131:3,10;
43:3,4,7,8,18,23;44:3, 96:4 encourage (13) 65:8;160:8 132:3;134:21;136:1,
10,11,23;45:4,6;47:4; elections@sosgagov (2) 16:12;134:1,9; environment (2) 22;137:21;138:2;
48:3;49:2;50:11,22, 121:23;122:14 140:16;141:21,22; 13:22;178:1 190:13;198:3
22,25,25;51:1;52:5, elector (9) 148:25;155:17; equal (3) even (27)
10,10;57:16;63:21; 20:19;21:11,13,14; 175:13;189:11; 126:2;178:16; 13:1,11;35:9;38:17;
64:5,17,21;65:4,13, 30:21;121:1;160:10; 190:21,25;192:1 192:25 42:4;52:15;59:14;
15;66:9;67:19;68:6,7, 164:18,21 encouraged (3) equate (1) 66:7;70:5,12;93:1;
9,17,19;69:9;71:3; electors (3) 48:4,4;192:17 171:10 95:2;110:1;118:5;
72:14;73:9;79:4;80:8, 22:22,24;23:24 encouraging (1) equipment (11) 124:15;130:17;134:3;
15;82:8,25;86:1,6,24; elector's (6) 188:12 19:22,24;20:5; 135:6;138:22;147:21;
87:15;89:10,14; 20:18;22:24;23:5; encrypted (3) 21:18;22:20;25:14; 152:19;153:17;
90:10,10,13,15,20; 30:14,20;164:19 42:7;68:16,25 78:4,25;120:18; 156:11;170:17;173:2;
91:8,14,22;92:13; electric (1) end (23) 188:1,3 177:8;190:20
94:14,16,19;95:2,24; 20:2 9:20;16:16;36:13, erase (4) evening (1)
96:3,11,13;97:8,22; electromagnetic (1) 19;40:2,4;43:25; 60:3,6,6,7 161:15
99:19;100:1,3,7,17, 61:24 48:13;49:21;51:6; Eric (9) event (7)
18;101:20;102:6,18; electronic (13) 65:25;93:17;94:3; 162:6;181:1,4; 15:4;20:24;22:16,
103:17;104:10,16,18; 20:2,12,16;21:1,2,4, 101:22,24;102:24; 184:14,16,21,22; 23;27:17;106:17;
108:4,5;109:3,4,25; 4,9;29:18,22;68:4,15; 108:6;117:1,14,21; 185:4,5 186:21
110:5,19,21,24;111:3, 96:23 148:20;162:14;169:1 error (18) everybody (19)
4,5;112:12;114:16; element (1) ended (1) 99:14,16;136:8; 3:3;18:8,15;19:18;
115:17;116:2,4; 7:24 170:23 171:1,2,4,6;182:22; 74:19;85:7;114:23;
117:10;118:3,14,18; elementary (1) ending (1) 196:17,21,22;197:3, 119:21;138:24;
119:20;122:2;123:1; 151:17 91:18 11,16,18,21;198:6,11 139:11,15;144:1;
124:24;126:4,13; Eleventh (1) enduring (1) errors (7) 151:24;156:2;157:9;
128:8;129:12;133:6; 165:2 169:4 86:2,22;109:18; 158:22,23;159:5;
134:23;135:19;137:1, eligibility (2) enforcement (1) 128:4,10;170:24; 199:7
5,10,18;139:13; 35:2;160:4 149:10 182:25 Everybody's (3)
140:18,25;142:15,18; eligible (7) engagement (3) Esmond-Adams (1) 106:24;172:9;
145:4;146:18,25; 35:4;146:22;161:1; 83:12,16;159:15 29:16 192:25
147:8,12,17;149:16, 177:24;178:13,15,17 engaging (1) especially (4) everyone (7)
24;154:6;157:1,2,7; else (10) 149:12 3:19;132:7;177:19; 19:8;74:20;114:11;
158:2;160:2,9;161:5; 7:7;42:21;57:13; engineer (1) 184:10 141:21;150:21;
164:11;165:8;167:1, 114:23;137:16; 187:22 essential (3) 154:23;183:25
3,15,20,25;171:23; 138:25;143:23;155:7; enough (5) 38:5;39:15;43:16 evidence (10)
176:13,18;177:23; 158:4;197:21 6:19;10:7;117:8; essentially (7) 9:14,16;13:16;81:5,
178:9,20,21,22;179:5, email (9) 160:16;180:14 34:22;35:11;43:2; 8,11;164:11;165:17;
8,8,16,20;180:2,12, 26:21;72:21; ensure (8) 45:1;93:15;107:9; 175:22;192:11
19;181:20;182:8,19; 122:25;130:1;155:4; 36:6;44:6;90:22; 110:16 exact (5)
186:14,16,22;187:10, 156:3;158:5;162:2; 120:9;128:11;143:19; esteemed (1) 27:14;61:8;108:16;
14;188:20;189:1,8; 174:7 147:11;149:25 187:18 162:25;197:11
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31:23;47:5;65:1; 32:14;41:10;50:20; fall (4) 11:5;114:2;131:16; 84:5
75:3;80:18;168:25 84:23,24;119:9 13:2,3;55:22; 146:11 first (28)
examined (1) explained (2) 186:17 felt (1) 5:25;6:9;15:8;19:7;
81:11 31:22;162:4 falls (1) 5:16 34:23;36:14;89:7,10;
example (11) explaining (1) 140:4 FERGERSON (2) 96:6;106:4,5;113:17;
41:19;45:9;53:11, 14:24 false (1) 123:5,9 119:4;124:1;126:12;
13;55:12;87:25;94:5; explanation (2) 33:13 FERGUSON (7) 135:10,15;141:14;
97:16;101:1;170:19; 51:10;73:13 familiar (2) 119:6,11,13; 142:9;157:19;159:3,
182:20 express (1) 84:5;142:17 176:22,23,24,24 21;165:18;166:5;
excellent (1) 77:1 family (4) few (13) 174:5,10;179:10;
100:9 expression (1) 168:20;169:2; 59:15;90:7;91:9; 194:6
except (5) 154:14 170:11;177:25 92:23;93:23;99:8; fishing (1)
96:10;103:24; extend (1) famous (1) 106:2;122:22,22; 185:1
138:22;154:21;160:8 147:5 193:15 140:5;160:2;164:5; fits (1)
exception (1) extended (2) far (9) 194:14 77:9
159:2 147:5;169:17 55:6;68:14;76:2; fewer (2) fitting (1)
exclusively (1) extends (1) 105:8;121:15;134:15, 28:5;93:19 168:14
6:12 195:5 18;176:16;198:4 Field (3) five (16)
excuse (8) extent (3) fascist (1) 4:14,16,18 46:25;69:12;71:9,
31:14;45:2;71:19; 53:10,12;76:21 193:20 figure (2) 10;91:21;93:21;94:9;
119:12;131:6,17,17; external (2) fashion (2) 72:1;117:19 101:3,5;117:5;
170:3 58:16;81:12 30:15;76:10 file (7) 134:14;154:19;
executive (5) extra (1) fashioned (1) 16:23;125:12; 158:16,18;163:1;
27:2;29:6;186:19, 33:19 192:20 142:2;144:17;156:24; 194:12
20;187:2 extraordinarily (1) fast (4) 167:22;174:2 five- (1)
exercise (3) 165:15 99:21;100:11; filed (4) 158:15
24:18;138:11; extremely (3) 104:9;123:15 23:15;165:13; fix (2)
155:25 91:6;110:5;142:17 faster (2) 173:20;174:1 169:23;197:5
exercises (1) eyes (2) 98:15;182:16 files (6) fixed (3)
182:5 61:22;86:19 favor (2) 196:13;197:12,24; 87:24;88:5;89:12
exercising (1) 38:15;146:2 198:4,7;199:2 flash (2)
87:3 F FAVORITO (10) filing (1) 71:17;72:7
exert (1) 31:4,7,12;33:10,17; 174:5 flight (1)
103:22 façade (1) 163:25;164:1;165:24; filling (1) 161:16
exhaustive (1) 193:24 166:1,3 97:3 flip (1)
70:3 facilitate (1) FBI (1) final (4) 171:11
exist (2) 180:13 82:14 83:3;90:21;91:2,3 Florida (8)
145:12;191:10 facing (2) fear (1) finally (5) 6:9,13;7:10;8:17;
existing (2) 146:13;168:23 178:14 29:13;172:14; 15:21;89:9;152:2;
175:21;176:17 fact (20) feature (1) 178:6;180:6;186:25 183:18
exists (2) 7:25;9:5;10:21; 48:22 finals (1) florist (2)
22:19;29:8 13:15,16;30:9;36:25; features (2) 197:14 12:2,17
expand (2) 37:1;39:10;47:8,17; 36:5;50:21 find (19) flowers (3)
60:23;135:18 63:24;76:12;120:10; February (3) 15:22;19:11;21:24; 10:19;13:2,11
expect (1) 141:7;158:7;159:13; 78:13,15;79:1 76:6,16;102:5;120:4; focus (7)
134:16 169:11;174:17; federal (20) 127:8,17;128:4,7,10; 77:21;152:22;
expected (4) 180:20 20:8;41:13,16;42:8; 141:10;158:4;168:21; 170:6,8;175:8;
45:22,25;46:4,8 facts (13) 43:21;53:4,4;58:7; 176:10,18;185:5; 178:20;181:12
expecting (1) 8:23;14:4,11,13; 77:25;81:15,16;82:5; 195:11 focused (1)
47:2 15:19,25;16:7;30:23; 90:13;142:20;143:2, finding (1) 168:22
expedite (1) 77:24;152:5;153:13, 13;149:8;166:14; 28:6 folks (11)
143:16 15;169:6 167:1,6 findings (2) 63:7;108:11;
experience (3) factually (1) feed (3) 25:2;176:6 113:14;121:12;123:2;
15:21;82:13;89:7 14:25 45:20;46:25;56:10 finds (2) 127:6;134:6;140:15,
expert (1) fail (1) feedback (2) 27:24;28:9 22;142:21;143:7
175:9 133:25 108:14;115:17 fingernail (1) follow (4)
expertise (1) failed (1) feel (1) 38:20 8:24;75:25;76:1;
150:18 166:7 188:9 finished (2) 100:18
experts (2) fair (5) feet (1) 102:22;107:18 followed (2)
147:25;176:9 11:18;60:25;77:13; 119:17 fire (1) 13:22;15:18
expires (1) 138:12;178:23 fell (1) 159:24 following (20)
167:21 fairly (3) 38:15 firm (4) 13:13;64:20;66:11;
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67:24;68:22;71:12; frame (1) 142:24;144:6,10 22;178:6,9,12; 184:9

91:22;92:25;94:19; 19:19 games (1) 180:15;183:13; GOP (1)
103:1;109:1;110:2; framework (1) 162:18 187:12,20;188:6; 175:17
115:15,19;116:7; 16:17 Garland (2) 190:2,12;193:17; gosh (1)
118:4;160:11;166:12; frankly (3) 32:17;172:12 194:9;198:7,13,15 169:9
173:8,8 14:15;44:2;141:4 GA's (1) Georgian (1) govern (1)
follow-up (1) fraud (1) 167:5 187:21 27:20
119:6 167:16 gathering (1) Georgia's (2) government (10)
footage (1) free (1) 139:7 167:25;176:2 7:24;24:10;25:17;
80:10 178:23 gave (5) German (1) 142:21;155:1,2;
Forbes (1) friend (1) 12:9;13:6;32:18; 198:3 196:8;197:3,4,17
163:12 121:20 114:9;159:22 gets (10) governments (2)
force (1) front (3) gazebo (4) 37:15;41:2;59:7; 24:5;151:18
167:23 69:23;74:22;80:17 10:10,11,12,15 101:17;111:16; government's (3)
foreign (3) frozen (1) GBI (1) 126:17;154:4;168:21; 8:6;196:7;197:6
169:19;186:21; 133:14 75:13 182:15,16 Governor (2)
187:4 full (4) General (30) GHAZAL (14) 26:22,22
forensic (4) 16:3;68:13;135:9; 16:19;20:8,9;23:12; 50:17;51:3;126:1, Graham (1)
80:4;82:22;83:13, 194:23 24:15;25:6,17,20; 22;127:5;145:8; 175:18
15 full-time (1) 26:25;52:3;62:21; 146:8,9,17;181:17,22, granted (1)
forensically (1) 137:1 63:5;64:20,20;73:22; 25;183:8;188:7 147:5
81:11 fully (1) 90:10,13;93:1;95:2; ghost (1) Gray (1)
forgotten (1) 153:24 118:4;135:6;142:11; 156:5 190:9
4:17 Fulton (9) 143:8,17;145:1; Ginger (1) great (12)
form (5) 29:17;30:25;94:7; 146:18;147:12; 171:16 4:18;34:21;38:23;
68:2;121:17; 119:16;137:17; 157:13;188:17; Giorgia (1) 47:24;67:15;74:16;
122:16,24;151:16 160:25;172:25; 190:19 168:15 75:15;121:23;122:10;
format (4) 176:24;177:21 generally (10) girl (1) 155:25;163:18;172:2
20:19;30:21; fun (1) 64:16;72:14;94:1; 172:24 greater (5)
164:20;196:19 105:18 111:18;112:2;113:14; given (10) 91:17;93:4;118:1,7;
former (2) function (1) 129:4,10;134:12; 35:6;40:17,18; 143:8
163:22;187:21 52:4 144:3 43:24;69:13;81:17; greatly (2)
forms (2) functionality (2) generated (1) 106:9;127:21;147:14; 88:22;168:9
70:2;160:17 53:22,24 29:24 149:9 groom (1)
formulating (1) functions (1) generator (2) gives (4) 10:22
16:22 179:13 105:16,20 16:16;44:10; group (6)
formulation (1) fundamental (2) generous (2) 172:15;181:4 136:23;140:11,11;
139:20 6:1;152:3 60:25;73:12 giving (3) 156:13;197:16,23
forth (2) fundamentally (4) gentleman (2) 9:6;106:15;167:14 groups (1)
90:14;118:8 5:18;7:1,12;15:20 142:9;144:13 goal (2) 127:11
forthcoming (2) fundamentals (2) gentlemen (2) 45:12;139:12 Grubbs (1)
9:18;11:3 168:18;169:1 173:17;174:17 God (4) 175:17
forum (1) funding (1) geographical (2) 10:17;168:20; guarantees (1)
60:17 99:4 59:10;95:12 169:2;170:10 180:19
forward (10) funds (2) George (1) goes (11) gubernatorial (1)
82:20;97:10;99:21; 162:16;173:25 161:20 37:15;55:6;66:8; 182:21
100:11;104:9;135:17; furniture (1) Georgia (68) 69:16;91:13;98:20; guess (7)
139:23;186:12; 74:22 14:21;16:14;19:21; 109:14,17;116:13; 34:13;57:10;
189:20;199:10 further (12) 20:10;23:13;24:15; 160:12;180:25 128:21;138:19;140:4;
found (14) 35:21;62:9;64:2; 25:5,16,22;26:8; Good (33) 163:20;195:11
8:20;81:4;164:17, 66:6;80:9;84:17; 29:16;30:7;35:6; 3:2;7:9;10:25; guidance (4)
23;165:8;166:4,19, 128:23;139:17;151:8; 40:16;48:21;54:5; 11:11;14:23,24;34:2; 160:16;161:7;
22;170:17,23;186:23; 184:16;190:16;195:5 58:14;59:1,5,5,6; 85:11,23;89:2; 168:17;191:2
196:4;197:18;199:8 future (6) 66:13;77:23;81:25; 101:15;104:4;110:15; guide (2)
founder (1) 4:21;66:6;115:24; 82:6;83:7;85:1,19; 113:9;115:23;116:12; 13:21;118:15
164:2 134:18;139:19;170:8 87:6;89:15,21;92:5; 127:19;135:1,20; guided (2)
four (13) 132:21;134:20;141:1; 137:6,9,22;140:12; 6:5,6
46:16,18;47:2,6,8; G 147:16;149:15,22; 144:20;159:12; guidelines (3)
69:11;101:3;117:4; 150:20;159:15,22; 161:14,16;168:4; 41:13;64:24;104:23
154:19;167:10;187:7; GA (4) 160:21,21;163:19; 171:22;173:16; guiding (1)
190:3;194:10 29:15;164:2; 164:11,25;165:10; 185:10;192:25; 104:14
fourth (1) 166:17;167:22 168:14;171:23; 195:17 guy (2)
71:6 gag (3) 174:15;175:18;177:3, goods (1) 156:2;173:3
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Gwinnett (2) 158:2 Hello (3) 199:1,2,8 illegal (1)

197:12,14 happens (3) 170:13;179:4; hopefully (1) 165:9
69:15;157:20;180:1 183:12 76:9 illegally (1)
H happy (2) help (15) host (2) 173:25
39:22;41:5 15:1;36:15;52:9; 42:12;44:5 illuminate (1)
habit (1) hard (9) 79:17;82:1;93:13; hotel (1) 4:16
87:4 74:25;78:4,9,10; 116:22,23;139:21; 22:14 image (9)
hacked (2) 80:23;81:13,18; 141:4;151:25;170:4; hour (2) 37:20;38:11;39:3;
50:13;193:5 139:25;150:10 190:16;191:4,7 8:16;9:9 60:7;67:23;78:3;80:6;
hackles (1) hardening (1) helped (1) hours (4) 83:25;137:23
155:24 53:20 160:20 59:11;91:12; images (6)
Haiku (2) hardware (5) helpful (3) 150:14;189:9 67:22;80:16,20;
162:9,13 65:22,24;66:2,7; 17:20;52:24;150:17 House (5) 166:17,19;167:9
Halderman (4) 179:13 helping (5) 26:23,25;28:13,22; imagined (1)
62:8,24;63:7;176:6 hardworking (1) 6:22;11:5;152:8; 169:17 4:22
half (4) 151:14 160:22;161:1 household (1) imaging (1)
8:16;9:10;96:6,7 Harry (1) helps (2) 163:14 83:17
Hall (2) 185:24 146:12;181:1 how's (1) immediate (2)
78:2,5 hasn’t (1) here's (4) 54:21 68:8,21
Hall's (2) 129:2 51:23,24;100:16; human (16) Immediately (9)
78:12,18 hat (1) 101:15 20:24;86:11,12; 26:18;40:4;45:6;
hand (59) 88:3 Herring (3) 87:10;89:18;110:8; 67:24;71:12;81:22;
20:24;23:17,24; Hats (2) 190:9,10,11 120:16,19,19;130:16; 109:9;122:25;167:18
30:5;38:9,9,17,22; 189:5,6 herself (1) 171:1,2,4,6,7;180:9 Imminent (4)
39:1;46:3,5;49:11; HAVA (1) 175:11 humans (2) 25:25;26:11;27:8,
50:13;56:22,22; 184:16 Hi (2) 86:18;108:20 25
86:13;97:2;98:6,15; health (8) 171:17;190:10 hurrying (1) impact (4)
99:12,13,14;101:14, 26:12;27:9,25; high (1) 4:21 6:1;158:2;186:7;
18,21,23;102:4,7; 28:11;29:8;104:23; 88:18 husband (1) 191:19
107:15;113:4;116:19, 105:1;186:9 higher (6) 10:22 impacts (2)
25;117:13;120:21; hear (18) 3:20,21;93:24; hypothetical (1) 29:13;88:21
128:15,20,24;129:3,3; 3:3;17:22;18:12,15; 101:6;116:17;193:7 56:25 implement (1)
135:9;136:11;147:10, 34:3,6,8,14;51:13; highlight (4) 148:17
20;165:21;170:22; 60:14;85:7;88:11; 90:8;92:23;97:6; I importance (2)
172:5;180:7,13,17; 125:11;128:18; 103:13 116:5;181:6
185:15,21;187:13; 138:24;146:15;155:2; highly (2) I’d (2) important (34)
192:2,17,20,24; 158:1 42:2;193:23 33:18;143:22 5:5,20;6:4;13:18;
194:21,23;195:2 heard (14) himself (1) I’ll (2) 14:1,14;15:19;37:4,
handed (1) 8:17;19:4;33:14; 4:11 130:2,10 12;39:5;59:1;62:20;
124:15 108:14;109:25; history (5) I’m (4) 67:19;70:25;87:7;
handle (1) 115:16;138:19; 5:5;25:4;167:25; 60:13;62:16; 90:23;91:6,7;110:10;
73:2 147:25;153:22;165:2; 179:9;197:24 138:23;188:5 121:12;133:6,22;
handled (2) 168:23;169:9;171:2; hit (1) I’ve (5) 148:24;151:22;
135:25;136:3 180:7 112:1 33:17;82:11;84:19; 152:12,23,24;153:11;
hands (2) hearing (7) hold (3) 154:24;182:8 155:24;163:17;
37:8;130:3 10:24;24:2,14;28:7, 68:4;161:12;173:24 ID (2) 168:11;181:8;188:16;
handwriting (1) 8;67:10;168:7 holding (1) 191:19;196:19 191:6
66:22 hearings (1) 61:17 idea (8) importantly (3)
hankering (1) 175:10 holy (1) 7:9;11:11;56:12,13; 44:7;148:13;179:17
4:22 heart (2) 189:8 76:18;115:23;135:1; Imposing (1)
happen (8) 72:4;137:13 Homeland (1) 163:18 186:20
94:1;105:19; hearts (1) 186:11 identical (1) impossible (1)
157:18,19;168:11,12; 159:19 honest (4) 29:2 21:18
170:16;180:22 heaviest (1) 9:10,18;11:18; identification (1) impracticable (2)
happened (21) 188:4 13:14 43:24 21:18;22:9
11:4;44:6,7;52:20; heavy (1) honestly (1) identified (1) impressed (1)
57:6;59:24;75:7;76:7, 148:16 153:9 182:3 183:16
16,18;77:18,20; heightened (1) Honor (4) identifying (1) impression (1)
79:10;81:4;82:25; 191:19 173:16,19;198:22, 124:9 167:14
84:8;124:19;147:14; held (1) 25 ignored (2) improper (1)
152:2;170:7;175:22 173:22 hope (8) 174:4,9 144:2
happening (4) hell (1) 76:17;161:17; iHerb (1) Inaudible (21)
32:3;73:9;146:19; 183:1 189:4,13;190:5; 163:15 18:19;31:13;33:2,5,
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72:3;82:10;84:24; inflated (1) 32:3;52:17 186:2,11;192:5;195:6 issues (6)
114:11,17;124:25; 162:22 instruction (1) intricately (1) 5:3;75:1;146:13;
125:8,15;129:8; inform (1) 55:25 12:2 149:23;177:7;180:11
133:1;134:13;181:24 170:5 integrate (1) introduced (1) it’s (4)
incapacity (1) information (38) 21:6 20:25 67:11;119:12;
186:5 10:2,7;15:1;16:2,4; integrity (6) investigate (2) 141:5;159:7
incident (1) 32:18;33:14;48:18; 104:5;139:13; 75:15;196:8 Italy (1)
6:1 68:4;76:22;77:2;78:4, 164:12;167:16;179:8; investigated (1) 168:15
incidentally (1) 9,19;79:11;80:2,7; 180:19 177:4 item (1)
179:18 81:14;82:21;83:20, intended (3) investigating (1) 138:7
inclined (1) 23;84:24;102:1; 26:17,21;189:3 84:2 items (2)
155:22 103:4;124:9;144:1; intent (8) investigation (16) 161:23;179:16
include (4) 145:18;152:12;169:6; 8:8;30:14,21;49:21; 74:24;75:11,16,24;
30:10;73:24;148:9; 181:2,5;183:25; 136:10;192:9,11,22 76:1;77:7;81:21,23; J
160:15 184:12;185:4,6; interaction (2) 82:1,7;84:11;149:11;
included (4) 189:17;198:1;199:8 174:23;196:15 156:12,21;196:4; jails (1)
55:18;90:23; informational (3) interest (3) 197:6 160:25
133:22;173:20 5:23;14:8;73:8 110:1;115:18; investigations (4) jam (1)
including (8) informed (1) 146:21 75:21;81:24;82:5; 56:1
3:9;28:1;43:22,23; 197:2 interested (3) 122:19 jammed (1)
55:17;96:19;102:23; informs (1) 73:3,6;187:23 investigative (3) 55:17
163:14 5:7 interesting (5) 75:19,22;76:6 jams (2)
incomplete (1) infrastructure (6) 6:25;8:9;12:12,25; investigator (1) 55:1,13
54:9 186:3,12,14,15,17; 73:6 176:14 January (4)
inconclusive (1) 187:11 interests (2) investigators (4) 80:3;82:23;185:14;
197:2 initial (1) 149:17,23 75:12,14;82:1; 186:14
inconsistencies (1) 127:20 interference (3) 196:12 Jeanne (3)
155:15 initially (2) 169:19;186:21; invigorated (1) 115:8,8;174:19
incorrect (1) 116:21;136:6 187:4 151:21 job (7)
32:18 inoculated (1) internet (8) invite (2) 6:12;14:19,23,25;
increase (2) 159:20 35:9;43:12;53:2; 106:2;182:10 137:6;148:22;172:2
86:23;179:19 input (1) 57:9,18;59:19; invited (1) jobs (2)
increased (1) 152:21 183:22,23 45:7 3:14;178:3
178:24 inquiry (3) Interpret (2) invocation (2) Joe (1)
incredible (2) 122:21;174:1,2 21:11;54:5 3:11,18 187:1
150:11,14 inserted (1) interpretation (5) Invocations (1) JoEllen (1)
incredibly (2) 55:2 21:12;30:13,20,23; 3:14 170:12
9:17;181:8 inside (2) 56:19 involved (5) John (1)
incumbent (2) 83:1,1 intersection (1) 12:2;72:25;76:20; 32:13
140:25;185:5 insight (2) 14:12 82:15;83:8 JOHNSTON (8)
indelibly (1) 138:17,18 intervention (2) involves (2) 48:16,24;49:4,13;
23:24 insights (1) 171:5,7 65:19;82:8 133:4;138:25;139:1,5
independent (7) 138:9 interview (1) involving (1) joined (1)
62:22;65:12;66:3; insisted (1) 9:20 133:20 175:16
67:25;69:2;79:11; 13:1 interviewed (2) Iona (1) Joseph (9)
142:19 inspection (1) 76:3,3 3:25 100:6;110:3;116:1;
independently (9) 90:17 intimidation (1) Iowa (1) 132:5;179:2,4;189:5,
21:9;36:8,10,17; installed (1) 178:15 197:8 6,7
41:17;56:21;65:7,14; 198:16 into (47) iPhone (1) Judge (33)
69:7 instance (1) 25:9;35:3;37:16; 83:15 29:16,17;31:1,2;
indicated (3) 55:12 38:1,6;43:10,11; irretrievable (1) 32:25;81:15;85:6;
86:5;97:3;177:7 instances (3) 52:21;55:22;70:1,7; 72:10 123:22;124:13,20;
indicates (1) 153:17;196:16; 80:1,5;82:24;89:8; Island (1) 125:5;143:2,24;
198:14 197:15 96:7;99:24;100:22; 3:25 144:24;145:10,11;
individual (5) instantaneous (1) 101:23;102:17; isolated (2) 146:9;150:7,9;
83:6;106:11; 40:25 105:14,20;106:7,25; 195:6;197:10 153:22;164:9;165:15,
109:13;111:8;191:13 instead (5) 108:7;111:2;112:24; issue (9) 16,16;172:14;174:12;
individuals (2) 92:12;101:9; 113:19;114:14;121:1; 7:2,13;71:25; 175:3,10;181:17;
136:23;176:12 159:22;165:20; 127:23;141:20;148:8; 121:25;128:8;147:10; 183:16;187:17;
inevitably (1) 195:12 149:16;150:15; 151:13;164:8;198:21 197:13,24
75:10 instruct (1) 154:17;156:23;157:5; issued (5) Judiciary (2)
infancy (1) 167:7 158:18;160:25; 83:22,22;164:13; 28:14,23
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July (4) known (11) lawsuit (1) 36:7;91:21;92:7; line-by-line (1)

81:1,5;82:20;162:1 5:19,20;45:13; 172:12 93:17,21;98:7; 65:21
June (5) 76:12,13;77:2;78:14, lawsuits (1) 134:13;143:10; lines (2)
79:2,25;174:1,3; 22;81:7,17;157:11 142:21 192:16,16;193:8 117:6;191:16
186:25 lawyer (12) levels (1) lining (1)
jurisdiction (11) L 6:2,2,8,17;7:20; 180:6 11:19
38:4;43:19;44:11; 8:11;13:19;17:7; liberal (1) link (1)
45:11,11;48:3;57:23; lab (2) 19:12;71:20;143:15; 61:2 109:5
59:24;70:17;88:1; 65:12,12 154:2 Libertarian (1) list (14)
99:6 laboratory (1) lawyers (2) 175:18 22:25;23:5;41:14;
jurisdictions (14) 142:18 19:6;144:16 license (1) 64:21;65:22;97:21;
42:11;44:24;51:2; labs (1) lay (1) 74:5 100:21,22;101:9,13;
52:24;58:14;59:2,9, 66:4 173:6 licensed (1) 106:9,19;127:21;
10,15;69:19;87:21; lack (2) layer (1) 162:10 161:25
99:9;100:25;117:3 167:13;170:14 42:14 licenses (1) listed (1)
justice (2) ladies (2) lead (3) 185:2 159:1
82:10;149:11 173:17;174:17 19:14;33:10;38:19 lieu (1) listen (2)
laid (1) leading (2) 167:8 184:7;185:16
K 80:25 4:3;121:6 Lieutenant (1) listening (1)
Lake (1) leads (2) 26:22 183:20
Kathy (1) 170:7 19:15,16 Life (5) lists (2)
197:14 language (2) learned (7) 4:20;6:6;13:20; 94:18;106:11
keep (8) 161:3;173:23 15:20;76:22;77:6; 151:11;177:22 lit (1)
12:7;44:19;47:3; large (4) 79:1;100:12;171:18; lifted (1) 4:24
53:18;107:6;135:2, 58:19;89:1;98:13; 195:22 144:9 literally (2)
16;181:1 141:7 learning (1) light (2) 98:21;114:25
keeps (2) last (16) 158:7 125:5;147:2 litigant (1)
35:13;196:14 5:14;70:24;105:25; least (15) liked (1) 71:22
kept (1) 135:23;137:19;138:6; 11:9;70:18,18;71:4; 10:10 litigation (6)
49:17 154:19;155:17; 96:15;101:4;118:19; likely (1) 62:4,15;72:25;78:1;
key (4) 156:19;172:23; 134:16;138:21,23; 147:14 81:16;167:9
47:25,25;48:5; 174:22;181:5;184:13; 143:9;156:18,21; limit (29) little (26)
95:23 187:25;195:15,20 165:1;194:23 25:7;91:17;93:3,7, 17:17;18:16,17;
keypad (1) late (1) leave (1) 12,14,19,22;94:4,9, 19:17;74:25;76:15;
21:8 173:19 37:6 10,10;98:20,22,24; 85:15,17;87:2;89:6;
kickoff (3) later (6) left (3) 100:23;101:3;116:14, 99:15;105:5,18;
105:21;106:8; 28:17;64:2;78:17; 11:4;37:7;162:11 20;117:1,16;118:7; 107:7;110:13;115:5;
116:22 90:9;91:25;177:9 legacy (1) 123:5;134:15;159:8, 132:16;145:21;155:3;
kickstart (1) latest (1) 38:13 9,13;198:23,25 164:7;173:17,19;
94:2 142:15 legal (8) limitation (3) 178:6;181:23;182:15;
Kimberly (1) law (71) 7:22;16:17;17:8; 127:16;129:11,17 184:9
29:16 7:21;8:3,25;14:5,6, 84:1;162:15;179:22; limitations (1) live (2)
kind (16) 7,7,10,21;15:18,25; 180:4;184:22 104:22 52:22;173:4
10:12;19:1;37:9; 16:10;17:6;19:6,7,12, legally (2) limited (3) lived (3)
52:11;60:11;70:20; 13;20:16;22:3;24:25; 166:21;192:10 28:1;59:15;96:20 24:24;177:22;178:1
85:15;87:2,5,23;88:9; 26:4;28:4;29:13,19, legislative (3) limiting (7) lives (4)
120:23;123:1;135:11; 23;58:14;90:1,3,7; 25:1,4;27:1 85:4;86:10;90:5; 3:20;5:5;137:11;
150:18;156:6 91:14,18;92:1,4,16; legislature (4) 93:3;114:8;115:1; 190:7
kinds (1) 97:7;99:22,24;110:1; 89:22,25;139:19; 117:25 livestream (3)
132:2 115:14;116:15; 141:13 limits (1) 3:10;104:8;134:10
Kirk (12) 117:11,19,20,20; lengthy (1) 93:9 living (1)
100:6;179:3,4,5; 131:14;135:4;147:16; 186:19 LINDSEY (27) 6:16
181:18,22;182:6; 149:9,10,10;152:4; less (5) 48:13;51:6;62:10; loaded (5)
183:10;189:5,6,7,15 153:14,16;164:25; 37:2;39:24;68:23; 63:2,12,17;64:1,7,12, 42:22;43:8,10;44:4;
knew (4) 166:15;167:7,23; 129:4;194:12 15;66:12,16;121:5, 45:5
6:19;32:7;76:19; 169:11,14;172:8,9; lessons (1) 20;122:7;123:4; local (19)
105:12 173:7;174:7,16; 100:12 140:2,4;144:10,20; 6:22;7:12;8:10;
knowing (2) 175:21,22;176:17,18; letter (5) 145:15,22;146:8; 24:5;42:12;44:11;
97:10;119:23 186:2,11;188:22 83:16;114:7,9; 158:6;188:7;195:14, 57:3,4,7,16;77:5;
Knowingly (1) laws (9) 166:13;167:5 16 80:15;82:24;90:10,
149:5 13:23,24,25;14:2; letters (1) line (6) 19;188:20,25;189:4,
knowledge (1) 16:17;25:4;167:2; 114:20 12:18;66:7;151:23; 12
164:12 173:8;189:2 level (11) 156:24;165:6;198:13 localities (1)
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193:22 75:25 22:17 25;30:17;35:7,25; 47:21;54:25;57:7;

location (12) love (3) management (1) 36:18;37:6,10;42:18, 63:17;72:24;82:14;
6:17,18;41:3;53:15, 144:19;161:6; 26:7 21;43:8,11;44:13; 111:20,21;112:22;
24;95:1;96:2,5; 171:13 manager (3) 47:11;55:6;57:12,21, 114:20,25;121:24;
111:14;122:1;126:13; low (2) 11:13;172:23;188:1 25;192:4 123:14;136:22;
177:25 18:17;189:9 Managing (1) marks (1) 139:12;144:10,21;
locations (1) lunch (1) 83:14 107:24 155:19;160:14,14
126:21 7:4 mandated (2) married (1) meaningful (1)
lock (3) lying (1) 38:6;43:15 8:22 121:25
41:21,22,25 80:24 manifest (7) MASHBURN (17) means (7)
locked (10) 94:17,18;97:17,19; 3:5;17:1,4,16,24; 61:12,16,24;93:15;
38:1,2;59:6,7; M 105:14;133:23,25 18:4,6,9,18,21;19:1,5; 100:16;160:18;
67:20,21;68:12; manifests (2) 31:6,10;33:24;150:5, 171:18
69:18;70:15;71:2 machine (29) 97:15;100:21 6 measure (1)
log (2) 35:8;36:20;39:4,16, manner (6) mask (1) 191:18
96:20;196:13 25;40:9;49:12;50:2; 21:21;24:11;27:7; 191:12 measures (2)
logic (1) 86:6,14;87:9,15; 36:2;58:8;175:20 massive (1) 148:4,8
148:9 88:18;99:17;108:13, manual (2) 149:7 mechanism (1)
long (16) 19;110:7;120:17; 90:17;96:22 match (2) 41:20
6:2;10:2,18;12:23; 121:3;127:25;129:4; manufacturer (1) 168:6;192:12 mechanisms (1)
13:10;17:3;64:25; 130:19,20;141:9; 65:19 matched (2) 65:2
87:4;97:21;120:18; 147:19;177:5;196:14, manufacturing (1) 10:1,21 media (3)
141:7,12;159:6,7; 23,25 65:23 material (1) 68:15;184:2,13
189:9;191:16 machine’s (1) many (32) 41:2 medical (1)
longer (2) 42:15 19:14;31:12;38:14; mathematic (1) 134:11
29:1;79:8 machines (35) 40:9;43:20;47:10; 97:14 meet (2)
longest (1) 15:3,10;22:4,8,11, 87:21;93:11,11,13; mathematics (1) 41:15;168:6
17:5 16;31:20,23;32:12, 98:2,17;110:22; 88:15 meeting (24)
look (34) 15;33:21;36:15; 115:11;116:23;132:5; Matt (5) 3:7,19,22;5:12,14,
13:8;15:11;17:8; 41:11;45:5;48:7;50:1; 135:4,6,10;136:25; 16:25;17:15;31:4; 21,23;14:9;26:19;
21:1;27:23;32:4;50:1, 52:25;53:9;57:9; 137:3,10;146:20; 33:11;157:25 31:16;73:7;95:3;
2,2;102:5,8,8;103:7; 60:24;86:15,16,17; 157:14;168:23; matter (8) 139:8,16;146:24;
108:12;109:10; 90:2;102:9;113:13; 170:24,25;171:1; 70:22;72:5;159:13; 150:10;158:12;
115:24;117:2;120:20; 131:1;133:12;140:7; 179:22,23;182:4; 174:16,16;180:23; 159:18;174:21,22;
125:17;127:22; 170:15;171:3,5,14; 189:15 181:13;187:23 180:3;187:18;193:14;
135:18;136:7,9; 187:13;196:20 marathon (1) matters (3) 199:11
137:2;139:23;141:8; mail (1) 5:14 27:1;179:7;186:10 meetings (1)
152:13;175:13; 179:25 March (1) mature (1) 138:14
193:23;194:13,16; mailbox (1) 77:24 157:6 Meloni (1)
195:4;199:2,10 155:3 margin (8) max (1) 168:15
looked (5) mailed (1) 88:22,24;89:1,3; 134:14 member (4)
14:22;80:24; 160:14 98:10,11;106:16; may (34) 17:6;58:25;181:19,
107:25;110:8;168:17 mainstream (2) 182:22 21:6,20;22:21;24:8; 24
looking (10) 184:2,13 marijuana (1) 26:10;28:7,21,25; members (16)
57:11;59:12;86:10, Maintain (1) 7:17 30:8;36:7,12;62:11; 39:7;40:23;48:6,10;
19;116:7;138:3,4; 79:22 mark (9) 64:3;88:11;95:19; 51:5;104:3;123:1;
141:5;154:6;155:15 maintained (2) 21:10;23:25;36:8, 101:5;104:3,6;114:5, 138:7;144:15;146:4,
looks (1) 81:9;96:18 16;38:21;105:24; 5;118:21;120:2; 11,14,20;174:23;
55:7 maintaining (4) 136:8;144:18;199:2 126:4,5;132:9,10; 187:18;193:13
lose (1) 104:5,21,25;172:10 marked (17) 140:6;147:4;166:13; memory (13)
76:5 maintenance (1) 20:2,12,18;23:18; 169:5;171:20;174:1; 37:21;41:20;42:6;
lot (29) 180:24 30:5;96:23;97:1; 181:17;193:23 60:7;68:4,11;69:21,
5:15;8:21;17:7; major (1) 117:13;136:11; Maybe (14) 25;70:6,15;71:6,7;
18:13;72:25;73:5; 183:2 147:19,20;180:16,17, 18:2;67:11;68:21; 114:23
78:19;100:10;106:17; majority (2) 23;185:15,21;187:13 82:14;125:15;136:7, men (1)
108:11;110:1;116:4; 27:12;28:21 marker (4) 7;139:12,16,20,22; 156:3
122:4;137:4,9; makes (7) 20:17;21:1,2,4 152:16;193:19,20 mention (3)
141:10;142:19; 56:2;108:18,21; markers (3) McGOWAN (4) 180:16,24;181:6
151:20;153:6;154:19, 124:10;130:2;154:21; 20:3,12;96:24 31:9;33:2,5,7 mentioned (10)
20,25;170:18;171:18, 180:17 market (1) Meaghan (1) 40:1;81:16;89:13;
19;179:6,19;181:1; making (3) 65:4 155:11 105:13;110:3;115:16;
183:13 17:19;35:19;146:22 marking (22) mean (23) 122:23;137:7;183:14;
lots (1) malfunction (1) 23:19,22,23;29:18, 13:3;18:7;44:21; 190:18
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Merritt (4) 159:20;188:18; morning (3) myself (4) needing (1)

161:25;162:2,4,10 189:9 3:2;16:21;147:25 3:13;9:8;138:22; 123:19
message (4) mismatch (1) Moses (1) 162:6 needs (13)
105:2,7,7;196:18 196:18 4:23 47:15;48:2,4;54:18;
messy (1) misplaced (1) most (18) N 105:20;107:25;
66:22 191:7 9:10;59:1;67:19; 116:15;123:16;
met (1) miss (1) 70:25;87:19;138:21; Nally (3) 133:17;136:14;
116:11 195:16 144:4;148:7,13; 173:15,16;174:18 149:14;156:22;173:9
method (5) missed (1) 151:17;164:10; name (21) nefarious (3)
21:25;23:22;87:21; 195:15 167:24;170:17;176:8; 66:19,20;78:1;79:7; 38:18;44:6;148:6
113:15;190:1 missing (1) 179:7,17;187:9; 80:5;84:4;114:2; neglects (1)
methods (1) 72:6 188:10 115:7;130:7;132:19, 149:19
110:19 misstatement (1) motion (5) 23;137:19;159:14; network (2)
Metz (3) 154:13 143:12,21;144:17; 173:13;176:15; 43:13;59:20
191:23,24,24 mistake (2) 145:6,24 177:19;179:4;183:12; Neutronics (2)
mic (3) 44:8;149:2 motivation (1) 185:11;187:19; 162:9,12
51:16;67:11;150:7 MITA (1) 14:1 190:10 Nevada (2)
Michigan (2) 62:23 mountainous (1) Namely (1) 77:12,22
77:11,22 Mitre (4) 181:11 147:3 new (15)
microphone (4) 63:3,6;142:16; mounts (1) names (7) 19:24;25:21;53:19;
17:23;114:15; 144:23 175:22 22:24;23:4;108:9, 79:4,13,18,24;89:17,
146:14,15 models (1) mouth (1) 10,15;163:11,14 24;139:21;162:5;
middle (1) 53:18 172:16 Nan (1) 167:13;175:21;
123:17 moment (3) move (15) 130:8 176:18;188:1
might (22) 121:7;140:22; 17:17,25;21:15; narrower (1) newly (1)
11:7;13:11;14:16; 197:20 22:13;23:10;32:20, 98:11 167:14
15:1;18:1;46:17,18, money (1) 21;33:20;82:19; national (9) news (2)
20;52:16;53:22;54:3, 161:21 97:10;144:22;162:13; 77:5;142:18; 24:24;168:14
20;69:11;75:1;76:21, monitor (4) 178:11;185:15; 169:18;185:24;186:1, next (11)
23;83:21;97:17; 17:17,20;18:25; 187:13 8,8;187:3,7 31:15;46:20;74:23;
117:5;139:18;157:5; 21:7 moved (3) native (1) 96:7;100:1;112:7;
194:4 monitoring (1) 30:7;145:9;162:14 187:21 140:3,4;146:8;190:1;
Mike (1) 140:13 Movement (1) natural (1) 199:11
163:22 monitors (4) 176:4 188:10 Nic (1)
mileage (1) 103:12,21;104:13, moving (3) nature (2) 121:18
60:11 20 159:5;161:21;162:6 27:6;43:5 nice (3)
million (2) month (2) much (35) navigational (1) 151:19;174:5;
98:14,17 123:11;197:2 48:16;50:18;74:11; 21:8 182:14
mind (7) months (8) 98:15;104:24;105:3; neared (1) Nick (1)
15:23;49:17;97:9; 70:19;78:17;80:9; 114:3,19;133:5; 9:20 163:21
107:6;135:2,16;158:6 160:2;162:1;167:10; 144:4;150:4,19; Nearly (2) night (1)
minds (1) 172:11;175:15 151:19;158:7,11; 175:15;180:14 180:2
159:19 more (56) 159:4;161:13;166:10; necessarily (3) nine (1)
Mine (3) 4:11;5:18;9:23; 168:2;172:19;173:11; 89:20;116:25;126:2 186:23
112:20;130:6; 18:16;29:12;37:2; 174:23;177:12;179:1, necessary (3) nine-hour (1)
171:25 39:24;45:19;50:8; 2;181:15,16;185:8; 84:17;142:4;143:4 5:14
minimize (1) 52:3;67:8;70:19; 190:4,7,8;191:2,22; need (42) Nobody (1)
175:20 76:10,17;82:19,20; 193:10;194:21 5:17;8:23;9:4;11:8; 173:5
minimum (4) 93:23;98:12,15; multiple (10) 18:1;27:23;32:19; nominated (1)
47:15;70:18; 102:17;104:18;126:6; 40:5,15;68:20;69:3; 52:11;54:25;62:11; 22:7
104:19;116:16 128:2,23;129:24; 71:11;109:25;122:25; 98:4;106:14;121:21; nomination (2)
Minister (1) 131:22;132:13; 123:2;129:1;196:16 133:11,13,23;135:17; 22:1,6
168:16 136:18;148:24; municipal (1) 140:9;141:3;151:24; nominees (1)
minute (4) 152:17,18;154:15; 20:5 153:12,15;154:8,10; 108:4
35:23;68:22; 156:7;157:3,3,6,6,16; municipalities (1) 156:6;157:2,25; none (1)
158:16;159:8 162:3,11;168:21,22; 25:15 158:3;165:24;166:2; 164:24
minutes (3) 170:24;171:19; municipality (1) 169:24;170:1;178:23; non-electronic (1)
91:9;158:17,19 181:23,25;182:16; 24:9 179:15;184:9,12,15, 23:23
miracle (1) 188:12;189:16; must (9) 21;185:7;192:14; non-employees (1)
4:23 190:22,23;193:20; 4:19;20:21;27:5; 193:2;198:8 118:21
miscount (1) 195:5,10,11;196:14 65:2;96:2;106:12; needed (6) Nor (4)
196:12 Morgan (1) 149:16;167:22; 95:14;97:13,14; 4:21;62:15,17;
misinformation (3) 175:16 180:22 145:1;156:14;164:5 191:18
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (16) Merritt - Nor
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normally (3) objection (1) 191:1;193:18 83:3;87:19;88:20,21; optimal (1)

158:13;161:5;163:3 76:15 officer (2) 89:2;92:1,11;94:5,8, 185:22
North (1) objective (1) 27:2;162:4 11;97:13,21;99:15, option (3)
137:2 87:8 officers (1) 23;100:5,24;101:18, 23:16;24:10;129:13
NORTHEN (2) objectively (1) 148:22 20;102:7;103:12,17; options (1)
122:15;123:6 37:23 offices (6) 104:11;108:9;110:24; 129:24
Northern (1) objectivity (1) 72:14;73:9;82:23, 112:6,15;115:5,14; oral (2)
177:2 15:22 24;83:2;173:24 116:7;119:2;120:1; 33:3,7
notating (1) obligation (1) office's (1) 121:14,14;126:6,7,14, Orange (1)
106:12 84:1 96:3 19;127:7,7;133:11; 13:4
note (4) observation (3) Official (27) 135:2,23;136:18; orchestration (1)
37:13;39:5;108:9; 148:11;182:11; 16:13;25:16,22; 137:6;138:10,13; 77:15
132:17 189:14 37:12,15;38:25;40:2; 140:4;141:6;142:15; order (20)
notes (2) observations (2) 49:17,18,19,22;50:11, 149:20;151:10,10; 3:7;15:22;29:6;
12:7;161:10 138:8;140:13 12;52:18,19;55:24; 153:20;154:16,17; 30:4;75:2,3,6,6;
Notice (10) observe (2) 56:2;59:22;68:9;70:3; 157:10,11;161:12; 83:22;99:5;104:5;
26:1,17,21;27:5; 104:4;181:10 71:3;82:25;90:18; 162:11;169:9;170:19, 105:9,19;142:25;
28:4,5,7,8;96:1;187:3 observer (2) 103:17;104:10; 21;171:10;175:1; 144:8,10;162:16;
noticed (3) 121:8;195:21 119:20;122:20 176:11,14;184:3,3,4, 186:19,20;187:2
174:25;183:3; observers (1) officials (29) 6;190:22;194:3,3,14, orderly (3)
196:20 182:10 38:4;42:25;43:19; 25;195:3,7,8,23 80:25;104:21,25
notified (1) obtain (1) 52:10;56:10;57:3,4; ongoing (3) orders (4)
197:8 78:9 78:7,8;80:16;81:7; 75:11;84:13;148:10 25:10;144:6;
noting (1) obtained (1) 82:25;86:2;92:13; online (1) 164:13,14
181:3 83:7 109:25;115:17;116:2, 121:17 organization (1)
notwithstanding (2) obviously (5) 4;137:5,10;149:24; only (35) 77:17
22:14;26:5 38:5;67:17;86:22; 173:21;185:18; 6:21;10:24;16:3; organizations (1)
November (20) 98:9;184:7 188:20;189:1,5,12,21; 19:9;26:10;38:24; 16:1
85:21;90:9;91:25; occurred (4) 190:6 41:25;42:9;44:1,10; organizing (1)
92:25;95:1;100:3; 5:13;8:15;9:3; often (5) 48:6;56:9,14,17; 139:9
102:18,19,20,21,23; 81:22 12:20;46:2,2;52:20; 57:23;59:21;70:11; original (8)
106:20,24;109:24; occurs (1) 160:20 78:20;85:3;88:24; 99:16;116:6;136:6;
115:15;116:7;118:4; 44:5 oftentimes (1) 99:23;131:8;145:19; 137:25;138:3,4;
145:5;167:21;190:20 OCGA (12) 112:13 147:10;151:4;160:25; 166:19;167:8
NR (1) 21:3;25:22;27:23; old (2) 162:17;175:1;179:11; originally (1)
132:3 29:20,20;30:1,1;90:3; 11:6;192:20 180:4;190:15;193:6; 198:11
nuanced (1) 117:21;125:7;167:4; older (1) 195:24;196:1;198:4 ORR (1)
57:1 185:20 11:7 open (26) 166:22
number (42) October (4) O'Mara (5) 15:23;16:2;39:6; ORs (2)
11:12;18:5;22:6; 167:23;177:1; 185:9,9,10,10,11 60:17;69:22;83:7; 162:25;163:2
49:9;50:7;51:25; 186:1;195:20 once (18) 95:4,25;96:9;103:11, others (2)
52:12;56:9,18;60:12; off (8) 4:25;7:22;35:3; 23;138:15;148:10; 132:5;178:2
87:14;88:6,16,21,25; 53:15;85:13;169:7; 37:2;39:22;43:3;44:4; 156:20;162:19,20; otherwise (4)
89:1;94:20;95:15; 172:13,13,14;189:6; 45:4,23;66:12; 163:1,2,3,4,7;166:18; 20:15;86:10;91:1;
97:21;98:13,18; 194:14 101:24;106:19; 172:3,17;188:23; 167:22
104:19;105:15,19,20; offense (2) 107:18;113:20; 197:23 ought (6)
106:4,5,5,7,13; 7:25;13:18 116:17;117:14;123:3; opened (3) 3:16;5:6,21;141:3;
107:22;114:20; offering (1) 140:1 59:7;81:21;152:1 144:5;152:14
116:21;122:12;141:7; 59:13 one (137) operate (5) out (51)
150:14;155:18; office (50) 3:16;4:9,18;6:8; 15:12,14,14;58:7; 8:20;12:5;16:11;
160:19;161:9,11; 22:2,7,8;57:16; 7:19;8:13;10:9;12:1, 157:13 17:12;19:11;21:19,
183:4;194:18 75:14;78:9,11,15,16, 17,22;13:20;14:9,19; operates (1) 24,25;27:22;38:15;
numbered (3) 23;79:6,21;80:8,12, 15:24;16:2;18:5;19:5, 32:5 41:8;43:24;51:15,21;
93:1;95:2;118:5 15,18;81:10;82:2,6; 10,13;34:22;35:24; opinion (2) 54:3;58:20;72:1;76:6;
numbers (4) 83:1;89:8,23;92:8,9; 38:23;40:12;43:10, 124:2;174:11 77:6;81:4;88:3;92:17;
96:20;162:25; 96:4;103:19;120:7; 10;46:16,22;47:2,4,6, opportunities (1) 103:18;104:10,11;
192:12,25 121:11;122:9;123:13; 9;48:13;49:16;50:2, 189:14 105:12;107:3;108:17;
134:25;136:20; 20;51:6,24;52:13,20; opportunity (5) 111:7;119:3;121:18;
O 140:18,23;141:25; 54:8;58:15;59:2;60:7; 5:17;33:12;74:12; 125:9,10;126:25,25;
152:14;156:9;157:8, 64:3;66:7;67:1,8; 119:5;146:10 138:22;140:15;141:5;
oath (4) 10,23;161:21;163:16; 68:11;69:12,13,20; opposed (5) 143:6;149:20;158:12;
96:16,17;107:14; 164:16,25;172:2; 70:4;71:4,6;73:20; 47:22;57:15;146:5; 159:24;162:11;
118:24 176:13,14;184:4; 75:20;76:12;79:17; 152:23;158:17 166:25;169:7;170:5;
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (17) normally - out
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184:5;185:5;188:5; painted (1) 135:3 156:13;157:14,15; 23:4;96:10;103:24,

189:21;191:10 175:12 Particularly (2) 160:19,20,23;169:4, 25;118:22;147:4;
outcome (16) pandemic (1) 15:3;62:13 23;170:4;172:20; 149:6
86:3;88:17,17; 105:6 parties (4) 178:12;182:12; person's (1)
95:18;98:6;99:19; panel (2) 40:17;69:13; 183:14;184:18;185:2; 184:20
109:19;110:9;130:21; 136:5,16 104:13;182:10 189:13 perspective (2)
133:7,9;135:21; panels (3) partisan (1) People's (1) 5:2;175:14
147:8;148:7;150:1; 108:2,3;136:12 42:4 159:16 perspectives (1)
194:11 paper (76) partners (1) per (4) 151:13
outcomes (2) 20:17;21:10,14,20; 65:23 42:7;53:4;68:16; pertain (1)
93:25;95:12 23:18,25,25;24:4,11; parts (4) 125:17 85:3
outing (1) 29:24;30:5,9,12,16, 65:24;97:5,6;143:5 percent (31) pertains (3)
159:5 22;35:21;36:2,9,16, party (6) 50:8;59:16;88:2,6; 41:5,18;42:9
outlet (1) 21,22,25;37:7,14,20, 27:3;103:21; 91:18;93:4,15,16,18, petitioner (1)
52:21 24,25;38:8,14,15; 104:20;108:4;149:12; 20,22;94:9,10,12; 30:24
outlined (1) 39:1,21;41:24;44:15; 175:18 99:15,15,18;101:4,5; petitioners (2)
119:19 45:17,20;46:3;49:12; passed (1) 116:17;117:5,19; 29:21;30:3
output (1) 50:9,10;56:3;58:4; 89:25 118:1,8;134:14,14; Pettyman (1)
21:8 60:17;67:18;68:1; Passes (1) 171:10,11;182:22; 193:11
outside (3) 71:1,4;86:11;89:12, 146:7 194:12;198:6 Phil (1)
56:6;77:6;154:20 17,25;90:18;112:17, passing (1) percentage (4) 173:3
outstanding (2) 22,23;114:19;120:25; 78:20 50:5;87:24;88:5; Phillip (5)
189:22,23 121:2;133:18;136:11; password (3) 89:13 29:15;114:2;119:9;
oval (1) 141:11,15,15,17; 43:22;79:15,18 perfect (3) 164:3;194:5
97:3 147:19,20;148:13; passwords (1) 36:1;134:18;139:24 Phone (4)
over (33) 164:19;176:20; 50:21 perfectly (2) 7:3;77:25;174:6;
5:15;17:15;18:7; 179:19;185:15,21; past (6) 10:1;175:4 183:21
37:5,11;45:18,18,19; 187:13;192:9;194:5; 4:22;14:16;129:19; perform (4) phones (1)
57:10;81:15;87:3; 196:16 169:12;182:23; 52:17;80:6;85:24; 7:8
97:23;98:14;99:12, paperwork (1) 188:19 86:1 photography (1)
15;109:22,22;111:12; 107:4 patch (1) performed (1) 123:22
115:22;120:3;122:18; paragraphs (2) 197:5 91:23 phrase (1)
137:2;144:14;168:13; 27:6;29:2 path (1) perhaps (4) 144:11
169:6;171:21,22; paralleled (1) 75:25 38:19;53:23;69:13; physical (12)
172:19;173:21; 82:4 Patriot (1) 168:13 36:7;41:19,24,25;
178:10,10,10;188:19 Pardon (2) 186:2 Peril (4) 42:13;43:13,15;
overlap (1) 61:6;73:25 pause (2) 25:25;26:12;27:8, 58:18;59:18;68:23;
148:4 part (42) 41:4;93:4 25 70:21;186:4
overlay (2) 22:11;31:15;37:4, pay (2) period (10) physically (3)
153:5,6 13;38:5;43:16;45:10; 161:23;189:9 28:25;29:12;38:16; 59:11;67:20;69:24
overlays (1) 47:25,25;48:5;49:19; paying (1) 85:25;87:4;109:22; pick (1)
152:5 50:11;56:21;59:22; 161:24 115:22;120:18; 174:6
oversight (2) 65:2;67:19;70:4,25; PC (3) 141:17;167:21 picked (1)
197:16,22 74:2;78:20;85:18; 53:14,15,23 perks (1) 165:22
own (10) 89:19,20;91:7;95:23; pearl (1) 176:15 picks (2)
32:10;61:22;65:9; 99:6;105:21;119:6; 4:18 permission (1) 18:21;36:22
109:13,14;111:7; 121:6;126:12;134:7; Pence's (1) 78:6 picture (4)
112:13;138:5;170:8; 136:12;138:5;140:24; 163:22 permitted (2) 34:12;77:9;124:7;
196:9 144:17;165:2;171:12; pencil (1) 80:11;167:3 175:12
172:8;182:25;188:10; 38:19 persistent (1) pictures (1)
P 195:8;197:6 pending (1) 188:18 80:13
participant (1) 31:9 person (17) piece (7)
package (2) 45:14 Pensacola (1) 4:2;20:15;74:4; 37:17;38:19;40:13;
41:1;66:8 participate (3) 89:9 78:1;86:5,7;90:24; 60:16;67:17;133:6;
pad (1) 82:7;93:2;118:6 people (42) 96:10;130:4;136:20; 196:16
74:2 participated (2) 3:19;7:1;8:19,21; 147:19;150:22;160:7, pieces (5)
pads (3) 92:6,10 15:5;16:2;31:24;32:8; 15;179:24;194:3; 66:2;68:3,3,11;
73:17,18,24 participating (1) 47:22;60:17;75:23; 196:15 74:21
pages (4) 117:9 76:19;78:8;80:11; personal (1) Pilot (7)
64:25;113:22; participation (2) 81:3;87:20;106:3; 114:7 20:3;91:16;92:6,10;
164:13;177:6 134:2;151:17 109:10;110:25;113:5, personally (1) 99:7;117:24,25
paint (2) particular (4) 10;123:18;141:8; 155:20 pirated (1)
169:5,7 7:13;42:19;73:20; 151:12,21;155:18; persons (7) 176:2
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (18) outcome - pirated
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place (22) 98:22;124:14;128:6; 32:13;33:22;34:2,6, prepare (4) 74:3;128:13,19;

6:15;8:16,18;22:17, 131:22;134:3,13; 9,10,14,17,21;41:12; 94:17;106:16; 129:1,7,20;193:11,12,
22,25;23:5;38:7;63:6; 152:25;185:16; 42:23;44:22;45:1,4; 189:25;191:5 12
67:8;84:25;90:1;92:4; 191:10 46:14;47:13,24; prepared (1) prevention (1)
99:24;110:25;129:15; pointed (1) 48:21,25;49:8,15; 6:24 167:16
142:25;148:21; 166:25 50:24;51:12,18;52:1, preparing (2) prevents (1)
154:18;156:15;166:4, policy (5) 7;53:3,10;54:12,18, 89:24,24 22:20
6 23:12;75:17; 23;55:14,19;57:20; prerogative (1) previous (4)
placed (3) 159:15;187:20; 60:5,13;61:12,16; 138:24 129:22;130:22;
119:15;143:2; 190:11 63:1,9,25;64:6,11,14, prescribed (1) 182:24;184:14
197:23 political (6) 18;66:15;67:6,9,15; 22:3 previously (1)
places (5) 27:2;40:17;103:20; 74:11,13,16;175:12 presence (1) 30:3
67:14;72:17; 104:13,20;189:10 Poulos' (1) 9:14 price (1)
141:23;184:24; poll (33) 175:2 present (7) 4:18
191:17 35:2,4;39:7;40:2,3, Power (9) 8:1,7;13:17;32:13; primaries (4)
plainly (1) 5,19,19,24;42:3;44:2; 18:9;19:2;25:12; 40:18;196:10;197:25 20:8,9;24:4;170:17
185:18 52:19;55:24;56:2,9; 52:14,14,15;169:14; presentation (6) Primarily (1)
plaintiffs (1) 58:22,24,24;69:14,23; 172:19;188:3 72:12;76:17;88:13; 66:25
164:2 71:12,14;73:16,18,24; powers (2) 133:5;175:2;190:13 primary (13)
plan (4) 74:2;119:4;148:21; 24:17,19 presentations (3) 21:16,20;22:5,9,10;
85:23;100:13; 172:23;181:7,7; practicable (5) 5:25;138:10;139:8 24:7,8;52:8;94:7;
115:13;191:4 187:24;188:1 22:4,12;28:9,12,17 presented (4) 128:15,20;195:1;
plane (1) polling (8) practice (5) 30:23;36:21;75:2; 197:12
78:3 22:17,22,25;23:5; 85:18;100:9;119:3; 199:7 Prime (1)
planned (1) 110:25;126:21; 135:20;182:15 presenter (2) 168:16
105:11 141:23;191:16 practices (1) 130:23;131:19 principle (3)
plate (1) polls (7) 191:14 presenters (2) 75:20;104:15;
171:19 20:14;45:23;58:17; prayer (1) 146:11;150:17 151:17
platform (2) 68:22;178:14,16,25 4:6 presenting (3) principles (1)
65:22;159:22 port (1) pre- (1) 33:22;44:13;48:17 152:3
play (1) 59:6 90:11 presently (4) print (11)
85:1 portion (1) preamble (2) 62:18;63:3;142:25; 21:13;39:15;40:15;
playing (1) 27:22 25:2,5 144:24 45:24;46:1;68:19;
162:18 portions (2) preceding (1) presents (1) 69:3,3;70:21;71:9;
please (18) 16:21;90:7 45:6 35:25 111:7
5:11;17:23;34:20; POs (1) pre-certification (2) preservation (2) printed (11)
62:18;74:19,20; 161:22 148:14;182:1 83:13,16 30:16,22;36:25;
104:23;114:15;115:7; position (4) precinct (26) preserve (3) 39:11;40:6;44:15;
146:14;150:8;158:23, 7:7;15:24;46:18; 34:23;35:3;40:18, 167:8,20,24 45:24;46:1;71:12;
24;162:5;176:17; 120:4 21;42:19;47:23; preserved (1) 96:25;141:5
180:15;197:19; positive (1) 52:21;55:4;57:7; 83:24 printer (3)
198:23 139:7 58:23;73:19,21; President (2) 21:7;35:12;58:1
Pledge (3) possess (2) 101:18;102:7;111:3, 185:23;186:18 printout (1)
3:12;5:9,10 4:20;36:8 4,5;126:3,5,6;127:9; Presidential (1) 124:16
plenty (2) possession (2) 192:16;194:10,25; 94:7 prior (10)
134:6;192:18 79:21;173:25 195:22;198:14 Presidents (1) 20:23;28:7,18;79:6;
plugged (2) possible (12) precincts (11) 187:9 90:21;91:4;94:15;
52:15,21 22:4;42:20;90:9; 73:10;87:25;88:3,4, presiding (1) 118:8;119:1;180:20
plus (2) 103:3;105:10;108:18, 7;126:9;191:17; 145:11 priorities (1)
163:13;180:25 22;127:11;140:20; 192:1;193:22;194:9; presidio (4) 157:17
pm (1) 142:1;143:7;191:3 195:6 162:3,5,8,11 prioritized (1)
199:14 possibly (2) precipice (1) press (7) 181:9
PO (1) 105:4;149:8 168:13 77:5;96:9;103:24; private (2)
162:5 post (1) precise (1) 104:3;144:14,15; 59:19;193:19
podium (1) 192:4 129:25 199:1 privately (3)
114:12 posted (4) precluded (1) pretty (7) 21:10;36:10,16
poem (4) 40:21;69:12;71:14; 29:4 16:22;57:1;123:13, privileges (1)
4:3,4,9,13 96:2 pre-election (1) 14;124:21;140:12; 151:11
poet (1) post-election (3) 179:10 188:15 Pro (2)
4:11 85:24;86:9;87:12 prefer (2) PRETTYMAN (22) 196:9,25
point (17) posting (1) 194:21;195:10 66:17,21,21,25; probably (10)
5:4,7;8:4;42:17; 109:15 preference (2) 67:4;71:16,21,24; 4:10;18:21;46:23;
58:9;59:1;66:5;68:21; Poulos (53) 94:7;132:7 72:10,17,22;73:22,25; 47:19;68:22;82:9;
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (19) place - probably
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101:4;103:13;106:2; 152:7,8,11 30:24;52:9;89:6;91:1, 125:9,10;139:10 quite (5)

193:3 program (4) 11;133:8;191:2 purchase (2) 58:19;72:4;87:22;
problem (8) 41:16;91:17;99:7; provided (10) 162:9,16 112:1;141:4
8:9;67:12;169:13; 117:25 20:16;21:21;23:2,3; purpose (15) quote (2)
193:2,3;195:5;197:8, programmed (1) 24:12;28:14;29:4; 3:16,18,20,21;52:6, 160:6;162:14
10 43:3 81:15;91:2;199:7 7,8;61:10;73:7,11; quote/unquote (1)
problems (4) programming (2) provides (6) 83:17;84:10,15; 136:15
164:5;168:22; 44:10;193:25 20:7;21:16;22:14; 104:4;131:2 quoted (1)
177:11;191:9 programs (2) 26:5;58:3;71:8 purposes (5) 117:18
procedure (2) 20:3;117:24 providing (1) 8:19;14:9;25:7;
53:20;188:23 prominent (2) 178:21 77:18;162:17 R
Procedures (8) 96:5;188:12 provision (9) pursuant (4)
26:9;56:5;148:13, promise (5) 19:14,15,16,17,24; 27:3,11;28:20;29:5 race (6)
17;179:21;180:1,8; 150:20,20,24; 22:15;26:5;27:18,21 pursue (2) 166:1;170:19;
182:7 151:1,2 provisional (5) 128:16,22 173:2,5;182:19;195:1
proceed (4) prompt (1) 22:21;23:1,6;90:25; push (1) races (2)
20:6;28:7;54:2; 55:24 112:15 129:22 170:25;190:22
149:25 promptly (2) provisionals (2) pushed (3) Raffensperger (5)
proceeding (2) 28:12;157:3 112:11,11 172:13,13,13 114:9;164:9;175:7;
104:7;199:13 promulgate (1) provisions (8) put (30) 177:3;194:6
proceedings (1) 91:15 19:10,14;25:17; 41:9;42:17,20;46:9, raise (2)
24:22 promulgation (1) 26:3;27:15;28:20; 10;63:18;70:7;90:1; 142:10;150:24
proceeds (1) 27:10 35:1;145:20 92:4;99:24;101:22; raised (4)
39:19 proof (1) public (92) 103:4,18;104:10,11; 7:20,22;141:16;
process (63) 8:7 3:15;6:7;23:12; 105:20;106:7;107:17; 142:9
17:14;37:4;38:17, propagated (1) 26:12,17;27:9,25; 119:19;121:15; ran (2)
18,24;39:15;40:15; 44:8 28:11;29:8;33:16,18; 127:23;138:12; 113:11;173:3
42:24;43:2,14,22,25; proper (2) 39:7;40:23;42:13; 144:21;150:14;155:6, random (5)
44:23;46:7;47:25; 107:4;133:18 44:3,5,19,21;45:7,23; 6;156:24;159:23; 50:6;87:24;90:17;
48:4,8;50:4;57:15; properly (7) 47:16,19,21;48:6; 163:19;192:13 105:15,19
58:3,17;65:11,16; 17:9;56:6;163:7; 49:6;58:25;62:21; puts (2) randomly (3)
69:23;70:4,23;72:15; 179:14;180:10; 63:5,14,20,22;64:16; 5:2;121:1 98:16;105:10,17
75:19;89:19;94:2; 195:23;196:21 68:13;86:24;87:1; putting (3) ranges (1)
104:15,21,25;105:3, proposed (2) 91:4,6,11,12;95:4,25; 150:9,10;154:17 117:4
22;106:2;109:8,11; 23:21;24:6 96:1,9;100:10; rapidly (1)
112:9,10;116:23; propositions (1) 103:11,20,23;104:3, Q 59:16
118:22;119:10; 36:4 22;105:1;106:1; rate (3)
127:17;128:3;133:15; prosecute (1) 109:20;110:6;115:21; QR (19) 99:14,16;116:9
136:4,13;139:23; 6:14 119:13,14;121:9,15; 30:10;48:19,22; rather (5)
140:18,24,25;141:24; prosecution (1) 135:21;137:11,12,14; 49:7,14,18;51:24; 17:20;19:7;23:18;
157:7;158:7;163:7; 84:18 138:16;140:9;142:12; 130:11,14,19;131:2,8, 154:10;156:7
180:3,13;181:8,11; prosecutor (4) 143:8,17;144:7; 10;164:4,7,17,22; Ratmir (1)
188:10;189:23;191:4 6:22;7:12;8:10,10 145:1,3,19;146:20; 196:17;198:18 163:11
processed (1) protect (9) 148:11;149:4,8,13; quaaludes (1) re- (1)
82:9 41:20,23;43:22; 158:25;164:6;166:17; 7:16 165:13
processes (4) 150:21,22;151:1,2,3,4 169:19;173:21,25; qualified (1) reach (8)
28:2;41:6;42:13; protected (1) 174:24;181:14,19; 173:23 3:16;16:4;32:10;
163:3 186:13 182:16;186:8;187:5; qualifies (1) 119:3;121:24;123:2;
processing (2) protective (1) 189:14;190:16; 123:19 140:10,15
162:5,22 144:8 193:14;199:5 quarantines (1) reached (1)
procurement (1) protocol (2) publicly (8) 28:2 78:16
162:4 70:22;181:17 40:21;69:12;71:14; quarter (1) read (19)
produce (2) protocols (4) 76:13;80:2;95:6; 74:9 4:3,4;16:12,15;
20:17;164:18 38:6;43:15,20; 109:1;137:8 questionable (2) 19:7,7;55:20;70:1;
produced (8) 65:13 publish (1) 107:24;170:18 103:22;114:3,12;
30:13,14,16;102:9; proud (2) 102:1 Quick (3) 118:16;130:10;131:1,
103:6;108:15;120:25; 136:24;187:24 published (2) 121:5,18;161:19 3,10;141:21;142:23;
192:3 prove (3) 95:7;186:25 quickly (5) 177:6
producing (1) 7:24;8:7;172:18 pull (10) 123:14;142:1; readable (17)
35:21 proved (1) 16:11;17:23;50:9; 148:5;156:15;157:3 20:19,24;30:14,21;
product (1) 165:21 88:3;93:14;101:10, Quinn (6) 86:11,12;87:10;
53:16 provide (11) 14,17,20;106:12 168:3,4;170:1,4,10, 89:18;110:8;120:16,
productive (3) 24:6;25:11,13,18; pulling (3) 12 19;130:16,24;131:1,
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (20) problem - readable
September 28, 2022
8;164:20;180:9 recollection (1) 149:22 145:13,20 102:3;116:19;117:16;

reading (7) 10:25 refrain (1) released (2) 127:1,22;143:6;
12:5;19:13;23:10; recommend (3) 175:25 144:25;145:19 144:23;145:13;197:1;
87:10;131:7,8;194:5 128:16;134:19; refused (2) relevant (1) 199:3
reads (2) 157:12 12:23;166:21 77:19 reported (7)
49:6;130:19 recommending (2) regard (2) reliant (1) 77:4;81:15;95:11,
real (3) 128:14,22 19:12;184:10 129:4 17;180:5,8;183:7
49:2;121:18;158:16 reconciliation (2) regarded (2) relief (3) reporter (1)
realize (2) 148:12;179:20 25:3;142:17 30:24;164:4;165:13 17:18
4:19;167:12 reconciling (1) regarding (8) relies (1) reporting (6)
realized (1) 179:22 25:17;62:13,14; 88:14 68:9;76:10;77:13;
8:4 record (17) 95:17;121:8;142:14; religions (1) 79:10;127:10;198:5
really (27) 24:21;37:9,12; 149:3;187:8 3:17 reports (13)
9:21;10:10;12:12, 38:10,25;39:13; regardless (2) relocated (1) 103:6;108:8,25;
13;14:13;18:17;32:2; 49:17,19,22;59:22; 36:6;50:7 191:17 109:9;126:24,24;
34:25;36:14,15; 107:22;143:13; regards (1) rely (2) 127:9;143:4,17;
40:22;42:24;47:21; 166:17;167:1;175:6; 164:17 96:24;97:2 144:24;145:12;197:9,
52:12;55:8;65:10; 192:8,21 register (2) remain (1) 21
74:25;86:16;120:25; recorded (3) 184:19,20 38:25 representative (2)
122:15;124:21; 39:17;46:13;195:24 registered (2) remains (1) 164:3;172:1
130:14;155:4;156:19; records (14) 27:3;74:6 70:16 Representatives (3)
174:24;177:12; 63:19;72:5;83:7; registering (1) remarkable (1) 26:23;28:13,22
194:19 162:19,20;163:1,2,4, 160:25 174:21 represents (1)
rearrange (1) 5,7;166:18;167:4; registrar (1) remarks (1) 27:8
133:16 188:23;197:23 160:9 78:12 reputable (1)
reason (14) recount (9) registration (4) remarried (1) 147:9
22:10;40:7,15;55:2; 20:25;38:18,22; 163:19;172:25; 12:22 request (7)
75:20;85:25;86:21; 46:5;125:1;135:9; 184:15,25 remember (13) 63:22;69:15;82:8;
136:8;151:6;163:8, 170:22,23;172:6 registrations (1) 10:14;12:8,13;89:9; 83:8;160:10;162:19;
17;173:24;183:24; re-count (1) 189:23 92:5;94:5,8;114:21; 163:2
194:15 194:7 regret (1) 124:1;159:7,10; requested (5)
Reasonable (1) recounted (2) 153:6 170:10;197:11 30:4;63:20;81:20;
178:11 36:11;38:10 regular (1) remembered (2) 82:5;163:6
reasonably (1) recounts (1) 156:17 10:4,4 requesting (2)
28:12 56:23 regulation (5) Remembering (1) 143:24;167:19
reasons (7) recourse (1) 26:13,20;27:11,14; 15:18 requests (11)
21:19,24,25;28:6; 185:17 90:15 remind (1) 63:4;160:21,23;
59:10;75:25;145:2 recreational (1) regulations (4) 148:22 161:2;162:20;163:1,
rebuild (1) 8:19 25:13;26:1,11; reminder (1) 4,5,7;166:18;197:23
181:13 rectified (1) 105:1 148:25 require (2)
recast (1) 142:2 reinforce (1) reminds (1) 23:2;110:2
145:21 redact (2) 148:25 175:2 required (11)
receipt (1) 143:4;145:19 reiterated (1) removable (1) 13:22;23:16;27:6;
28:24 redactions (1) 95:24 71:6 41:15;66:6;81:14;
receive (1) 145:2 rejections (1) removed (3) 99:25;100:1;164:24;
106:19 redistricting (1) 191:20 69:22;70:1,7 177:8;190:23
received (7) 173:1 relate (1) removing (1) Requirement (2)
78:6;82:12;83:6; redundant (3) 83:4 198:17 25:25;26:15
165:16;166:6,24; 51:9,10,23 related (4) rendering (1) requirements (11)
179:24 refer (4) 60:24;83:18;84:7; 53:23 20:20;25:11;29:19;
receiving (1) 88:11;110:22; 105:6 renders (1) 30:12,15;41:14;42:8;
4:21 174:13;194:4 relates (1) 22:7 58:7;90:14;133:10;
recent (5) referenced (2) 73:14 renumeration (1) 191:20
80:9;82:19,20; 41:21;118:15 relating (2) 151:15 requires (5)
170:17;187:9 referred (2) 25:16;26:7 repeat (2) 15:22;28:4;58:18;
recently (1) 88:14;117:19 relationship (1) 67:11;119:8 115:14;148:21
124:21 refers (1) 84:3 replace (1) requiring (1)
re-certification (1) 50:4 relative (2) 79:23 83:23
180:2 reflect (3) 28:10,15 replied (1) research (1)
re-certify (1) 14:17;148:19;150:2 relatively (1) 162:7 183:24
128:10 reflective (1) 88:24 report (20) researching (1)
recite (1) 4:8 release (5) 62:4,8,14,24;63:3,9, 197:13
5:9 reflects (1) 108:25;143:4,16; 20;91:1;94:3,12; reset (6)
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (21) reading - reset
September 28, 2022
54:11,18,21,25; 103:1;107:16,16; rising (1) 100:18;117:11;118:4, samples (2)

55:9;196:25 108:8;109:4;111:8,8, 176:19 8,14,17;119:19; 90:18;98:23
resident (1) 9;116:19;126:18,25; risk (31) 123:22;132:14; sampling (5)
177:21 127:3,22,23,25; 91:17;93:3,7,9,12, 148:20;160:5,12; 87:14;88:24;89:1;
resolve (3) 128:12;133:13; 14,18,22;94:4,9,10, 161:9,11;165:19; 98:20;135:11
122:6;191:12,14 170:18;180:8;183:6; 10;98:20,22,24; 167:2;188:22 Sanctions (1)
resolved (1) 190:17;191:15;192:4, 100:23;101:3;114:8; rule-making (1) 186:21
167:10 8;195:3;197:13 115:1;116:14,20; 26:14 Sara (1)
resort (1) retain (1) 117:1,16,25;118:7; rules (12) 125:24
8:18 21:5 127:16;129:10,17; 25:13,19;26:1,10; Sarah (1)
respect (7) retainer (1) 134:15;175:20;181:1 91:15;104:13;139:21; 125:14
3:21;11:20;82:17; 80:6 risk- (5) 160:2;161:4;166:14; satisfied (3)
129:12;154:10; retention (3) 85:3;86:9;90:4; 167:6,18 30:15;93:16,20
169:18;187:4 166:15;167:2,21 93:2;117:24 ruling (5) saved (1)
respected (1) retirement (1) risk-limiting (37) 124:16,20;125:5; 168:10
176:8 150:13 49:10,13;50:3; 165:3;177:1 saves (1)
respectful (1) retrieval (1) 84:21,25;85:14,17,20; run (8) 37:20
153:3 134:4 88:8,10,11;91:16,19; 98:1;112:4,7,14; saw (4)
respectfully (2) retrieved (1) 92:3,6,15,17;97:11; 113:6;141:3,3;178:23 141:6;156:14;
143:14,15 81:8 99:25;100:2,5,16; runoff (3) 162:8;170:16
respond (6) returned (1) 101:12;102:13;109:6; 115:19;190:4,19 saying (7)
62:7;123:15;155:8, 107:23 117:4,23;118:6; run-off (1) 51:13;114:21;
16;157:3,24 reveal (1) 136:2,13,15;137:25; 110:3 124:4,7;154:11;
responded (2) 62:17 190:14;191:6,11; runs (1) 175:25;185:17
156:15;162:10 revealed (1) 194:8,24 105:15 SB-202 (3)
response (9) 169:8 RLA (8) Russia (1) 25:5;160:1;166:16
62:4,24;63:7; review (14) 88:12,14;133:25; 163:14 SB-233 (1)
123:10,17,20;130:3; 44:16;63:18;65:21, 134:16;135:24; Russians (2) 23:19
145:25;146:6 22;66:10;67:25; 190:18;191:3,18 163:9,23 SB-273 (2)
responsibilities (2) 77:21;84:17;108:2,3; RLAs (3) Ryan (4) 23:20;24:3
20:4;77:17 136:5,12,16;175:5 89:2;114:10;133:10 132:12;157:9; scanned (5)
responsibility (3) reviewed (8) road (1) 175:17;198:2 20:22,23;39:3;60:3;
29:6;148:16,18 35:22;64:9;66:3; 92:14 67:23
responsible (4) 121:1;142:19;154:5; rocketed (1) S scanner (37)
75:23;76:7;77:14; 164:10;196:13 162:23 20:13;21:7;37:16,
79:5 reviews (1) role (1) S&L (2) 19,22,22;38:24;46:9,
rest (3) 143:3 191:3 196:9;197:1 11;54:10,13,16;
145:20;174:13; revised (2) roll (1) safe (3) 55:21;58:5,6;60:10,
192:13 160:3,5 106:4 71:17;72:6;161:16 10;70:7;102:8;
resting (1) revoted (1) rolled (1) safeguarded (1) 110:23,24;111:1,13;
169:22 137:24 105:24 148:3 112:5,7;113:11;
restore (2) Richard (1) rollout (1) safely (2) 121:2;126:6,7,14,15,
192:12;193:7 137:18 188:1 104:16,18 19,20;192:5,24;197:4,
restored (1) rid (4) room (8) safety (4) 23
155:11 171:13;187:12; 61:19;100:6; 26:12;27:9;28:1; scanners (16)
restriction (2) 193:3;194:22 105:25;120:3;132:6; 186:9 30:6;54:20;57:12;
143:3;144:12 ridiculously (1) 140:11,12,16 sake (1) 111:5;113:6;126:12;
restrictions (2) 162:21 rosy (1) 147:22 131:3,5,10;192:6,7,
178:4,24 right (37) 175:12 Salleigh (1) 23;195:22;196:5;
resubmit (1) 3:2;33:17;44:22; roughly (1) 175:16 198:13,14
162:24 51:19;54:24;71:15; 194:9 same (22) scanner's (2)
result (11) 85:6;97:23;98:18; round (2) 15:8;19:19;41:22; 30:20;111:7
29:8;45:22,25,25; 112:25;115:13; 10:13;128:1 46:5,6;61:8;65:10; scanning (4)
46:4,6,9;47:2;95:19; 126:10,22;130:4,21; RPO (1) 80:12;86:16;108:3, 20:1,11;185:23;
138:19;182:17 138:6;142:22;144:12, 162:11 16,16;114:19;126:23; 196:11
resulted (1) 20;146:1;148:10; RPOs (1) 162:25;165:20;182:7; scans (1)
87:9 151:7;155:1;156:5, 161:22 186:23;195:3;196:11; 37:19
results (47) 23;158:3,22;163:11; rule (41) 197:7,11 scare (1)
39:11;40:5,10,25; 166:9;168:5;169:15; 26:13,20;27:10,13; sample (6) 176:5
47:5;50:12;58:16; 177:14,16;184:1,20; 28:5,10,10,14,18,19, 46:17;49:1;93:12; scared (2)
59:14,20,22;68:10,20; 188:25;189:7 24,25;29:2,4;90:15; 98:5,16;127:20 195:9,12
69:1,4,8;70:2;91:3; ringing (1) 92:22,22;94:15,23; sampled (2) scenario (3)
101:22,22;102:3,10; 7:3 95:24;96:6,7;97:5,8; 98:12,13 46:15;56:25;60:12
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (22) resident - scenario
September 28, 2022
school (2) 195:1,10;196:3,6; sending (2) 196:4 significance (2)

24:25;173:2 198:16 155:21,23 several (5) 116:5;134:12
Schrader (1) section (19) senior (6) 23:14;59:11;160:3; significant (3)
197:14 21:19,21;23:3,7; 138:21,22,23; 172:5;177:7 7:18;8:21;98:5
science (1) 24:12;25:21,24;27:4, 139:2,4;187:19 Seymoor (2) significantly (1)
134:11 11,16,18,19;29:3,9; seniority (1) 166:11,12 198:2
scope (1) 33:16;90:4,16;91:24; 151:8 shall (39) silence (1)
95:12 158:25 sense (4) 20:11,17;22:25; 7:8
Scotland (2) sections (2) 31:19;76:20; 23:1,5,6;26:16;27:12, silver (1)
3:25;4:1 30:2;92:23 124:11;130:2 20;28:11,16;29:10; 180:18
Scott (1) secure (8) sensitive (1) 90:11,16,20;91:16,24; similar (6)
78:2 70:16;71:2;104:25; 145:18 93:2;94:16,24,25; 77:10;103:14;
screen (2) 107:23;134:4;142:25; sent (7) 95:4,6,10,25;96:9,12, 111:11;112:10;
35:11;57:25 148:2;179:9 122:18;160:7,8,14, 14,18,24;97:2;103:23, 115:25;116:1
screens (1) securely (4) 18;162:2;199:2 25;104:2;117:22; similarly (1)
33:25 41:2;107:1;119:1; sentence (1) 118:6,18,24;160:10 91:24
scroll (2) 150:1 54:9 share (2) simple (3)
36:3;109:5 security (27) separate (4) 146:10;185:3 46:15;47:3;50:20
scrutinize (1) 32:6,9,11;41:11,20; 56:18;113:12; sheet (2) simpler (1)
32:2 42:9,13,14,15;43:15, 120:17;126:16 107:2;109:14 98:15
seal (14) 23;50:21;62:22;65:2; separately (2) sheets (4) simplest (1)
41:22;42:1;58:18; 142:14,18;148:4; 68:12;86:18 103:5,5;109:11; 49:9
62:18;63:4,10,12; 149:18;177:4;178:8; September (5) 192:20 Simply (5)
69:24;96:20;107:11, 179:20;185:25;186:1, 3:8;83:5;169:17; shelf (1) 13:14;163:6;167:5;
12,21,22;144:25 7,8,11;187:8 186:18;187:1 53:15 175:25;181:18
sealed (10) seeing (3) series (1) Shiver (3) single (10)
38:1,2;41:21;59:7; 188:25;197:11; 24:23 170:12,13;171:15 7:2;45:8,8,9;89:14;
67:20,21;68:13; 199:11 serious (3) shoes (2) 100:7;162:20;163:2;
69:18;70:16;71:2 seeking (3) 147:2;149:5,13 10:20;13:12 182:19,19
season (1) 22:6;116:10;165:13 serve (4) shorted (1) Singleton (4)
12:19 seeks (1) 3:15;137:4,14; 166:5 29:15;31:1,2;164:3
seated (1) 164:4 190:15 show (8) sit (1)
5:11 seem (1) served (1) 14:5;15:25;69:4; 192:19
seats (5) 139:12 17:2 77:24;80:13,16;83:9; sits (5)
74:20,21,21; seemed (1) server (6) 191:15 54:14,16;56:8;
158:23,24 4:24 79:15,19,22,23,24; showed (4) 69:21;70:12
SEB (5) seems (3) 81:8 13:15;81:8;196:16; sitting (3)
155:12,12;166:14; 52:14;125:20;184:2 service (3) 197:15 42:10;54:24;69:10
167:2,6 seizures (1) 3:15;137:12;181:12 showing (1) situation (1)
second (8) 28:3 services (2) 80:2 22:19
12:20;14:4,11; select (6) 161:24;185:1 shows (9) six (4)
128:1;145:7,8; 88:2;95:3;97:11; serving (2) 12:5;39:12,16;40:8, 99:13;102:24;
161:12;174:11 100:19,23;105:16 17:6;141:13 10;48:6;49:20;80:10; 106:15;175:15
seconded (1) selected (6) session (1) 82:21 size (1)
145:10 94:24;95:7;98:3; 153:14 shrouded (1) 107:8
secondly (2) 100:20;126:17; set (19) 194:1 skip (1)
14:18;142:7 168:16 21:19,25;45:8,9; sic (3) 21:15
secrecy (1) selecting (3) 61:17;69:1;90:14; 111:17,24;187:1 sky-rocketed (1)
194:1 95:4,9;116:22 93:18,21;94:25;97:8; side (6) 162:23
Secretary (51) selection (2) 98:22,24;101:3,4; 61:19;87:2;92:11; slim (1)
25:8;75:13;78:11, 87:24;97:1 118:8;164:10;172:5; 97:14;120:3;173:1 106:16
14,16,23;79:20;81:10, selections (8) 178:4 sided (1) small (3)
20;82:2;84:22;89:22; 21:12;35:19;36:1, sets (1) 105:23 4:16;88:25,25
91:15;92:8,9,10; 23,24;37:2;44:17; 53:9 sign (2) smoothly (1)
94:24,25;95:5,8,10; 45:16 setting (1) 118:24;134:7 150:1
100:17;109:3;117:22; selling (1) 26:18 signage (1) social (2)
118:9;121:10;122:8; 7:16 settled (1) 188:12 104:22;185:1
127:8;140:17,23; Senate (2) 32:19 signature (2) software (13)
141:25;152:13;156:9; 28:13,22 settlements (1) 193:8;196:17 49:6;163:16,23;
157:8,10,23;161:21; send (7) 25:10 signed (10) 171:8,9,9;176:2,19;
164:15,25;165:4; 72:20,21,23; setup (1) 42:7;68:15,16,25; 187:21;197:4,7;
172:1;177:10;178:19; 155:19;158:5,5; 141:2 141:12,14;186:2,11, 198:10,12
184:4;191:1;193:18; 189:21 seven (1) 19;187:1 sold (1)
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59:4 104:21;176:9 staffed (1) 188:6;190:21;191:1, STEVENS (11)

sole (1) Spalding (5) 122:17 10;193:17;195:10; 130:6,8,8,17,22;
148:22 83:8,10,13,15,19 stage (1) 196:3,6;198:17 131:5,7,12,15,20,25
solution (1) span (1) 36:13 stated (4) still (13)
191:9 99:12 stakeholder (2) 78:2;119:14; 70:14,15,16;75:16;
solve (1) speak (1) 42:4;44:3 130:23;162:17 80:13;100:13,14;
193:2 114:14 stakeholders (1) statement (2) 109:2;110:13;124:16;
somebody (18) SPEAKER (11) 39:8 153:19;154:22 139:4;159:23;166:15
9:16;38:18;42:17, 7:4;26:22;73:3; stand (5) statements (1) stop (4)
20;46:10;53:2;76:23; 114:13,14;122:12; 5:8;31:10;189:4,12; 153:21 153:7;155:20;
79:1;123:20;127:1; 131:13;144:19; 190:5 States (20) 157:4;176:4
138:20;154:21;155:7, 173:13;184:14;199:4 stand-alone (3) 24:20;28:5;64:5; stopped (1)
25;156:14;172:7; speaking (2) 35:8,10;58:12 65:5;75:17;82:4,15; 157:4
173:6,9 18:8;185:12 standards (5) 87:13,19;91:19; storage (3)
somehow (1) special (3) 53:5;64:22;65:16; 160:5;165:9;169:20; 107:3,23;134:5
70:9 20:9,10;25:1 68:17,18 181:3;184:18;186:5; store (1)
someone (3) specific (16) standing (2) 196:7;197:7,18,22 58:1
137:24;168:9;174:5 42:23;43:5,23; 26:24;120:1 State's (35) stored (7)
somethings (1) 46:12;53:20;72:12, standpoint (1) 29:22;75:13;78:11, 36:18,20;37:8,10;
140:9 13,13;73:9,10,10; 43:21 15,16,23;79:21; 68:14;107:1,21
sometime (1) 77:16;101:9;114:1; stands (1) 81:10;82:2;84:22; stories (1)
33:13 129:12;151:25 125:22 89:23;92:8,9,11; 184:5
Sometimes (9) specifically (13) Stark (3) 109:3;121:10;122:8; story (5)
13:24;25:2;52:23; 23:21;24:6,17; 114:2;119:9;194:5 127:8;140:17,23; 175:3;183:17;
54:25;70:19;149:17; 25:21;26:4;27:24; start (23) 141:25;152:14;156:9; 184:3,3,5
157:19;169:3;178:4 53:3;94:8;103:13,20; 16:9;19:6,10,20,20; 157:8,10,23;161:21; strategy (1)
somewhat (1) 160:1,24;164:16 34:18;54:19;67:16; 164:15,25;172:1; 76:6
76:9 specifics (1) 85:13;92:17;102:20, 175:23;184:4;191:1; strengthened (1)
somewhere (3) 43:7 24;105:9;106:23,23; 193:18;195:1 186:13
97:22;155:6;173:6 specified (1) 109:8,10;116:24; Statewide (12) Strict (2)
soon (6) 91:20 138:20,21;147:15; 19:22;93:2;95:14; 26:2;27:14
28:17;90:8;140:20; specifying (1) 168:8;177:17 98:16;115:11,15; strictly (1)
143:6;152:15;168:12 160:22 started (4) 118:6;147:23;166:18; 13:25
sooner (1) spelling (1) 87:1;159:21;163:9; 190:22;194:11,16 strive (1)
198:1 44:8 175:8 stating (1) 190:21
sorry (11) spending (1) starting (3) 164:14 striving (1)
51:12;54:12;60:13; 151:20 106:24;116:3; station (2) 109:17
66:21;67:9;74:20; spent (1) 175:24 37:6;141:24 strong (3)
111:23;115:6;132:25; 9:9 starts (2) statistical (2) 9:15;172:6,7
174:1;198:24 spirit (1) 39:6;92:25 97:14;134:12 struck (5)
sort (15) 156:6 State (96) statistically (1) 123:23,23,25;
5:12;8:18,18;47:11; spirited (1) 3:7;5:6;14:21; 98:5 124:5,6
113:15,19;121:5; 155:19 16:18;19:24;20:8,10; statistics (1) structured (1)
140:15;142:7,8; spoke (2) 25:8,9,12,17,19;26:9, 88:15 167:15
154:5;156:22;157:21; 24:16;103:19 16;27:5,12;28:15,16, status (4) struggle (1)
161:7;182:12 spoken (1) 19;29:7,15,17,23; 33:1;39:12;125:16; 14:12
sorted (1) 195:19 30:4,7,25;35:6;40:16, 153:21 studies (1)
113:21 spot (2) 20;42:25;48:21; statute (3) 142:13
SOS (11) 144:21;194:13 63:21;81:7,20;84:23; 17:12;31:17;53:4 study (1)
125:17;161:24; Spring (1) 88:1;89:16;90:13,15; statutes (4) 141:6
162:2,3,18,19,24; 13:1 91:14,15;92:2,21; 19:10;23:10;30:19; stuff (1)
163:1,3,4,18 springboard (1) 94:14,25,25;95:5,8, 54:5 123:13
sosgagov (1) 139:16 10,21,24;97:8,24; statute's (1) style (2)
123:6 Springs (5) 100:17,18;117:10,22; 30:12 101:2,12
sought (1) 8:17,22;9:25;10:5; 118:3,9,14;128:9,11; statutory (1) sub-caption (1)
64:21 11:13 132:8,11;141:1; 27:22 19:23
sound (2) stack (2) 146:25;147:17;149:8; Steal (1) subject (4)
75:1;85:7 113:15;182:12 157:14;160:2;161:5; 176:4 23:7;143:23;145:1;
source (4) stacks (2) 164:14;165:4;166:15; step (6) 187:23
65:20;66:4,8;147:9 182:13,14 167:1,7;171:22; 39:15;40:22;54:3; submission (1)
Southern (1) staff (4) 174:15;177:10;178:5, 133:19;148:24;191:6 25:18
82:6 123:1;137:1; 13,19,19;181:2; steps (2) submissions (1)
space (2) 157:17;163:22 185:17;187:7,12; 147:10;180:22 122:17
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submit (4) supplied (1) 120:11,14,23;125:16; 165:11;172:2,9; tells (3)

65:20;85:2;130:1; 53:14 127:2;140:8;141:2; 189:16 9:1;47:6;197:9
131:23 supplies (1) 142:5,15;143:9,10; talks (2) ten (3)
submits (1) 188:3 145:4,14;147:6,18,23; 114:9;154:22 182:13,14;187:24
65:5 supply (1) 148:8;149:6,19,22; tallied (2) Tennessee (5)
submitted (8) 65:23 154:4,8,9;164:5,18, 99:12,13 195:21;196:2,2,6;
28:11,16;51:20; support (3) 23;165:5,7,22;166:7; tallies (1) 197:10
62:23;66:2;122:21; 14:5;190:18;191:2 175:23;176:21;180:9, 108:13 tenure (1)
141:20;166:18 supports (1) 12,21;183:1,2; tally (18) 139:3
subsec (1) 88:17 184:15;189:8,18; 86:13;87:12;98:6; term (1)
50:3 suppose (2) 194:20,22;196:13 101:19,21,23;102:7; 156:4
subsection (5) 34:23;128:13 systems (7) 103:5;107:15;109:13; terms (1)
27:3,16;28:21;29:3; supposed (5) 23:13;83:14; 113:4,5,10,23;116:19, 168:18
186:16 12:10;13:7;15:15; 156:17;185:23;186:3, 25;120:21;192:20 territory (1)
substantial (1) 140:7,8 6,24 tallying (1) 111:25
175:6 sure (40) 101:15 Test (21)
substantially (1) 13:21;17:9;35:14; T Tamara (1) 18:9,9,10,10,10,10,
194:7 42:23;45:4;46:4,13, 166:10 18,18,18;45:13,24;
successful (2) 24;47:7;49:8,15; table (6) tape (15) 46:17;48:19,24;49:1,
91:20;149:16 51:13;56:5,15;57:20; 41:9;80:24;107:6, 39:11,12,16;40:6,7, 3;65:14;66:4;114:23;
successive (1) 62:16,18;86:3,4; 10,10;134:5 8;45:24;46:6;47:5; 179:11;192:6
157:21 91:10;106:18;107:20; tabulate (3) 68:20;71:10;111:8, tested (5)
suffer (1) 117:7,10;119:18; 30:11;180:15; 10;125:11;126:19 41:17;47:15;53:6;
149:21 120:13;127:6;133:13, 195:23 tapes (6) 57:22;64:9
sufficiency (2) 23;141:1,18;142:5; tabulated (4) 40:16,16;46:1;69:3; Testers (1)
165:19;176:20 146:22;156:5;166:3; 20:13;55:17;91:2,3 70:21;102:8 196:19
sufficient (1) 171:23;178:24; tabulates (1) task (1) testify (1)
176:7 192:15;194:2,17 37:23 165:18 8:13
sufficiently (2) surprised (2) tabulation (6) tasked (1) testifying (1)
39:22,24 52:19;129:5 58:3;90:12;95:12, 26:25 9:12
suggested (1) surveillance (1) 18;133:12;180:6 taste (1) testimony (1)
138:20 166:23 tabulator (25) 172:16 177:6
suggestions (1) Susie (2) 41:19;45:9,21;46:6; taught (1) testing (20)
139:18 177:13,20 47:15;49:23;50:14; 6:4 41:16,18;42:14;
suit (1) suspect (1) 53:11;54:13;55:23, team (13) 43:21;44:3,5,19,21;
167:22 197:13 24;56:8,12,13,16; 107:10,14,15,19,20; 45:12,14;47:12,20;
Sullivan|Strickler (5) suspended (1) 58:13,21;67:24;68:2, 118:11,13;120:1,2,20; 65:6,7,12,12;67:3;
80:5,14,16;83:10; 28:21 10;69:17,21;71:9; 122:18,19;134:7 85:10;148:9;179:11
84:4 suspension (1) 195:23,25 teams (8) tests (1)
summarize (3) 25:19 tabulators (2) 96:14;106:14; 196:9
17:10;19:9;179:7 suspicion (1) 50:5;193:4 113:3;118:19;119:25; thanked (3)
summary (2) 153:6 tagged (1) 120:6;136:5;182:12 11:1,2;181:12
17:11;28:2 suspicions (1) 80:23 teaspoon (1) thanking (1)
sun (1) 191:7 Talbot (3) 159:24 177:18
4:15 sweep (2) 173:12,12,14 tech (2) thankless (1)
Superintendent (16) 31:20;33:21 T-A-L-B-O-T (1) 52:16,23 177:19
23:17;24:11;90:20; switch (1) 173:14 technology (8) Thanksgiving (1)
94:16;96:11;103:25; 30:5 talk (25) 21:9;37:25;53:1; 108:24
104:2,6,16;108:5; sworn (3) 5:3;9:8;35:22;57:4; 57:19;62:1;179:16; That'll (3)
118:18,21,23;122:2,3; 96:15;107:14; 59:25;85:17,21;86:8; 180:12,17 112:5,6,14
160:9 118:19 91:8,13;122:2;125:4, techs (1) theft (1)
superintendents (3) system (90) 21;136:21;142:8; 52:5 176:18
90:11;96:14;104:18 15:16,16;19:25; 144:7,16;156:9; Ted (2) theologian (2)
superintendent's (1) 29:23;30:10;32:5,12, 157:7,20;172:20; 191:22,24 4:12,13
96:12 15;34:19,22;37:14; 173:7;183:15;188:8, tedious (1) there’s (2)
supersede (1) 42:10;45:7;48:22; 17 181:10 76:14;119:6
27:20 56:7;57:11,14;58:12; talked (3) telecommunications (1) thereafter (1)
supervisor (2) 60:2;64:8,23;65:1,3,4, 6:20;78:25;90:5 187:22 29:12
179:5;181:20 5;66:13;67:6,7,14; talking (16) telephone (2) therefore (1)
supplemental (1) 73:13,15,24;74:1,2; 9:10;33:11;44:19; 78:12,18 155:5
57:15 89:17,24;91:8;97:12, 84:5;87:18;93:8,9; telling (7) they’re (2)
supplementary (2) 15,19,25;98:1,25; 112:18;116:14; 9:7;14:25;106:16; 72:8;163:13
38:21;56:4 99:1,2;106:8;108:17; 117:23;123:10;139:1; 183:17;184:2,3,4 thinking (2)
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100:11;138:18 24;26:6,8,16;27:19 75:8 37:20;68:1 176:11,25;177:9;

third (2) titled (2) traditional (4) trouble (1) 182:12;185:20;187:9;
166:4;179:20 186:20;187:2 10:23;87:20;88:9; 168:10 190:23;195:22;197:6
Thomas (2) today (27) 92:13 troubleshooting (1) two- (1)
4:4,10 3:13;5:4;15:17; traffic (1) 52:11 159:7
thorough (2) 19:8,18;33:13;48:17; 183:19 troubling (2) two-minute (1)
65:18;149:11 99:21;100:11;138:10; trail (1) 156:20;170:24 159:8
Thotochanel (4) 140:6;142:11;146:11; 133:18 true (5) type (5)
177:14,15,17,20 147:10,24;150:11; train (1) 31:5;139:15; 41:22;49:11;52:22;
though (3) 164:6;168:8,24; 92:20 158:15;194:17,19 117:12;139:8
13:1;52:15;138:23 169:9;171:18;172:10; trained (3) truly (1) types (6)
thought (8) 179:6;180:7;193:14; 57:5;99:10;103:15 181:13 43:5;65:1;80:7;
9:17,23;61:3;83:25; 198:3;199:7 training (6) Truman (1) 90:22;103:7;110:18
150:16,17;162:15; together (10) 57:3;92:13;101:11; 185:24 typical (2)
172:2 8:14;40:14;74:7; 103:16;135:12,13 Trump (1) 69:11;100:8
thoughtful (1) 138:12;139:7,10; transaction (1) 186:19 typically (14)
157:16 142:4;150:11;153:3; 9:3 Trump's (1) 53:17;55:4;59:9;
thoughts (1) 166:8 transcript (1) 187:2 65:16;86:8;87:13,17,
146:10 Told (12) 175:9 trust (6) 22;98:23;99:14;
thousands (1) 10:21;11:5;31:24, transfer (2) 149:8,13,23; 100:25;110:21;117:3;
64:25 24;44:20;72:2,7; 134:9;136:19 154:10,16;190:17 118:2
threatened (1) 84:19;101:17;173:1; transition (1) trusted (1)
187:11 175:25;197:20 85:19 184:7 U
threatening (1) tolerated (1) transitioning (1) trustworthy (1)
157:6 149:15 92:14 133:18 ultimate (1)
threats (2) Tom (1) transitory (1) truth (5) 35:20
155:20;189:10 173:11 4:25 9:7;15:22;169:3,8; ultimately (12)
three (24) took (4) transmit (1) 195:12 16:6;44:15;49:16;
7:18;17:4;46:20; 63:6;126:14,15; 58:16 try (17) 50:25;65:24;69:20;
47:2,6,8;68:2,3,11,24; 138:12 transmitted (1) 6:10,13,23;18:20; 70:24;82:10;84:15;
71:5;106:4,6;111:12; tool (3) 59:21 85:9;98:16;108:12; 107:17;138:15;154:3
149:17;162:19; 23:24;99:5;110:6 transparency (9) 122:4;136:9;155:14; umbrella (1)
164:13;168:19; tooth (4) 40:23;44:1;48:1,5; 157:22;161:19;168:5, 186:17
170:20;176:11; 53:1,9;57:18;61:25 104:14,24;105:3; 8;169:4;182:6;185:14 unable (1)
187:25;189:24;194:9; top (3) 167:16;181:6 trying (12) 79:14
195:3 42:14;54:14,16 transparent (5) 6:11;9:18;11:18; unauthorized (3)
throughout (5) topics (1) 59:13;69:23;103:3; 34:11;72:1,3;89:4,4; 147:4;149:5;176:12
88:12;104:15; 76:4 172:4;179:10 138:13;152:6;159:23; uncertain (1)
133:15;178:12,12 torn (4) transport (1) 183:19 83:2
throw (1) 55:3,3;56:1,5 59:11 Tuesday (3) unchanged (1)
188:5 total (3) transported (1) 102:18,23;108:23 133:14
thumb (1) 88:6;97:21;126:5 41:2 turn (9) unclear (4)
80:23 totaling (1) travel (3) 17:14;18:1,25; 77:16;79:9;110:14;
Thursday (1) 164:13 8:19;55:6;78:3 21:23;62:11;85:8; 139:22
102:21 totally (3) travelling (1) 141:9;146:15;150:7 uncollectively (1)
Thus (2) 8:11;84:9;151:23 6:16 turned (2) 156:8
20:20;157:6 totals (2) treasure (1) 55:13;158:18 uncommon (1)
till (1) 108:7;183:5 4:19 turning (1) 65:17
74:10 Totenberg (6) treated (1) 4:23 uncompensated (1)
Timasher (1) 143:24;144:25; 135:25 tux (1) 155:5
163:12 145:10;164:9;165:15; trial (3) 10:23 under (19)
timely (1) 175:11 31:1;143:14,16 two (48) 23:7;24:19;29:2,6;
123:10 touch (3) tried (3) 6:4;7:1,1;12:16,21; 38:3,20;62:18;63:3,
times (4) 96:12;104:1;134:8 17:25;79:16,18 13:20;17:4;20:20; 10,12;67:20;90:16;
96:19;122:5; touchscreen (1) triggered (2) 23:14;30:2;34:22; 94:11;99:18;108:8;
177:19;195:3 21:7 196:21,22 41:6;46:21;47:2,6,9; 144:25;176:17;
timespan (2) toward (1) triggers (1) 52:2;66:23;71:5; 186:17;187:6
103:9;106:19 139:25 122:25 74:25;75:8;87:17; undergrad (1)
tiny (1) towards (2) trinity (1) 88:2,6;96:15;98:14; 24:25
115:5 4:1;92:3 189:8 99:15;111:4,6;112:8; undermining (2)
Title (13) track (1) trip (1) 118:19;126:12,15; 169:19;187:5
16:11,12,14,14; 35:14 78:21 135:8;145:12;162:13; underneath (1)
19:8,20;24:3;25:15, tracks (1) triplicate (2) 163:9;164:13;167:18; 144:12
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understands (1) 4:8;6:23;9:6;11:19; 192:20 verifying (2) vital (1)

65:13 18:21;36:22;41:9; usually (2) 35:1;180:3 186:5
understood (1) 45:8,10;50:9;53:19; 3:11;118:14 version (3) VM (5)
150:13 55:13;66:1;70:17; utilized (1) 65:25;66:5;70:12 161:23;162:13;
underway (1) 75:5;85:8,20;86:13; 66:13 versions (1) 163:8,16,21
146:18 87:11;106:3;113:23; 53:19 voice (1)
unearned (1) 114:11;115:2;117:1; V versus (3) 18:21
166:6 124:13;125:17; 29:15;127:9;194:6 void (3)
unequivocal (2) 129:10;134:7;135:4; V&V (2) Vesu (2) 174:13,14,16
153:18,20 146:16;155:25;159:1, 196:9,25 187:16,19 voidable (1)
unexecuted (1) 5;163:19;165:25; validated (1) via (1) 174:14
83:12 166:2,13;169:24; 41:16 104:7 volume (2)
unfair (2) 170:21,23;172:5; valuable (1) Vice (1) 18:22;85:8
60:22;191:12 174:6;184:14;189:12; 199:8 175:15 volunteering (1)
unfortunately (1) 198:8 valued (1) victim (1) 181:10
178:4 upcoming (6) 181:9 176:25 volunteers (2)
Uniform (1) 14:15,17;91:10; values (1) Victoria (3) 160:18;192:18
19:25 100:3;157:2;187:14 151:23 132:20;183:11,12 vote (42)
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In The Matter Of:
State Election Board Hearing v.
December 13, 2022
Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC

1579 Monroe Drive, NE
Suite F, Number 614
404-733-6070
Original File SEB 12-13-22.prn

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THE OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF STATE
STATE OF GEORGIA
IN THE MATTER OF:

GEORGIA STATE CAPITOL BUILDING

ROOM 341
DECEMBER 13, 2022

9:00 A.M.
PRESIDING OFFICER: Mr. William S. Duffey, Jr.

Chair, State Election Board
STEVEN RAY GREEN COURT REPORTING, LLC

Rebecca Barr, CCR
Atlanta, Georgia
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2 MR. DUFFEY: Let me call the meeting of the State
3 Election Board, this day, to order. I want to thank all
4 of you that are here personally, and those of you that are
5 on the camera welcome to the meeting. And as customary,
6 we'll begin with an Invocation which I will do. And the
7 Pledge of Allegiance will be led by Mr. Lindsey.
8 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Can you use your microphone for us
9 deaf people?
10 MR. DUFFEY: I am using my microphone. Do you want
11 me to turn it up?
12 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Please. Thank you.
13 MR. DUFFEY: Is that better?
14 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah.
15 MR. DUFFEY: Now, I can hear myself talk which is one
16 of my favorite things to do. So I'll begin with an
17 Invocation.
18 (Invocation)
19 MR. LINDSEY: Would you please stand?
21 MR. DUFFEY: Please be seated. Just a few
22 introductory remarks. I was going to say this is the end
23 of the year which it technically is, it certainly -- it
24 seems like the end of the year. Although I've only been
25 on -- in this position for -- for five months. It seems
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1 like we've done a year's worth of work. But I'm grateful
2 for it.
3 I told you from the very beginning that this is
4 something which I thought long about and really believe
5 that working with really superb people on the Board and in
6 the charity and goodwill with which they have taken on
7 assignments is incredible. And I don't think you -- you
8 understand how hard this job is and how much time it
9 takes. With -- without colleagues like this we could not
10 perform our public duties.
11 Meaghan, would you stand up? Meaghan? Meaghan?
12 Would you stand up?
13 MS. KELLING: (Complies)
14 MR. DUFFEY: You don't see very much of Meaghan. But
15 Meaghan is the person who puts all of our notebooks
16 together. That makes -- which makes sure that we have all
17 the administrative support that we need. And I just want
18 to thank you, Meaghan, for everything you've done for us
19 in the last several months.
20 (Applause)
21 MR. DUFFEY: She's a very shy person. I'm sure
22 she'll come up and berate me for doing that to her. But,
23 you know, sometimes people need to be recognized when they
24 do a superior job and I wanted to do that.
25 Now, the last few months we've tried to be more
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1 outward facing and -- and not inward facing which --
2 because -- because I've told you, I think -- I -- I told
3 our Board that public service to me is serving the public
4 and you are the public. The citizens of Georgia are the
5 public and therefore it's our responsibility to you and
6 not necessarily just our responsibility to consider things
7 inclusively and without your input. And we've tried very
8 hard to reach out to people that are resources to us.
9 You know, I have this rule. I think I've met it in
10 every occasion. And -- and even if I haven't -- even if
11 you contacted another member of the Board, it gets to me.
12 I try very hard to make sure that you're acknowledged
13 within 24 hours. I've had a number of long conversations
14 with people because I want to dignify the input that you
15 give to us. And so I -- I appreciate -- I appreciate the
16 respectful way that those conversations have gone.
17 I think that it -- it was a way of us showing that we
18 are not just an organization that hears complaints and --
19 and decides things about people and sometimes the
20 sanctions them. That we are all in this collectively.
21 And I say that especially to the people in the counties.
22 We understand that with the elections division and with
23 them and with us that this is a collective effort. And
24 working together is always better than working apart and
25 we're trying to do that.
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1 Sara Koth and Rachel Simmons. Sara, you'll see her
2 later, is the Chief Investigator that we rely upon a lot.
3 Sara understands that I have this proclivity if I -- I
4 send an email that I expect you to answer within four or
5 five minutes. And while she's not always within four or
6 five minutes, the ability to communicate especially on
7 complaints with Sara and her -- and the investigative
8 staff is vital to what we do. I think you'll see today
9 that we are finally into -- into 2022 complaints. And
10 that we -- I hope with your help that this is not a
11 nine-hour session like the first one was or a seven hour
12 session like the second one was.
13 But we have fewer complaints and I'm hoping that
14 this, while it will be multi-hour, I'm hoping that it's
15 not as long as we've been in the past. Because in
16 fairness to the people who do the investigations and the
17 reporting they have to do at this meeting. And fairness
18 to you that I know you -- you love being here or at least
19 want to be here and are interested enough to be here. I
20 -- I -- I want to be respectful of your time. And while
21 the meetings in the past that were very long were
22 necessary. I hope that we don't have to get into a
23 pattern of that.
24 We will announce at the first of the year the
25 meetings for -- for next year. There will be at least
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1 five and they will not all be in Atlanta. In February, we
2 will meet in our first 2023 session that will be on
3 February 7th. And sometime probably in the next ten days
4 or so we will put a list up with all of the meeting dates
5 for all the meetings for 2023. And we will indicate at
6 least the tentative location of those that will not be in
7 Atlanta.
8 Now, I say that thinking that we can have meetings
9 outside of Atlanta. But all of our technology is here.
10 But -- but I'm confident and assured that we do have. But
11 they have to be tentative until we make sure that we have
12 the right arrangements and the right room.
13 So with that, the first thing we need to do is that
14 we had to make an amendment to the draft of the
15 August 22nd, 2022 minutes. We've never approved those
16 minutes. So we're going to first take up the -- our State
17 Election Board meeting and hearing the minutes from August
18 2022. Is there a motion to approve the minutes?
21 MR. DUFFEY: It's been moved and seconded that we
22 approve the minutes of the August 22nd, 2022 meeting. All
23 those in favor say aye?
25 MR. DUFFEY: Opposed, no?
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1 (no response)
2 MR. DUFFEY: The minutes are approved. And then we
3 have the minutes for our September 28th, 2022 meeting. Is
4 there a motion to approve those?
5 MR. LINDSEY: So move, Mr. Chairman.
8 approve the minutes of the September 28th, 2022 meeting.
12 (no response)
13 MR. DUFFEY: Then those are past. We have two
14 reports this morning. The first of which you will
15 remember if you attended the August meeting, that the
16 General Assembly asked us to look at the acceptance and
17 equitable distribution of grant funds for election
18 administration. We received that report from Ryan Germany
19 and since then Mr. Lindsey has -- has looked at the report
20 to come up with what our recommendation will be to the
21 General Assembly. So I'm going to turn the meeting over
22 to Mr. Lindsey.
23 MR. LINDSEY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
24 If you'll hit the button there.
25 MR. DUFFEY: What are you, two?
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1 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
2 MR. DUFFEY: You're welcome.
3 MR. LINDSEY: First I think it'd be helpful to
4 everyone to have a little bit of background.
5 The General Assembly in Senate Bill 202, in 2020 --
6 2021, put out the following mandate to the State Election
7 Board. The State Election Board shall study and report to
8 the General Assembly a proposed method of accepting --
9 rather for accepting donations intended to facilitate the
10 administration of elections. And a method for the
11 equitable distribution of such donations statewide.
12 The General Assembly undertook this because of their
13 -- of the concern that there was an inequitable
14 distribution of grants in which some counties received
15 grants from private sources. While others did not and did
16 not always necessarily reflect the particular needs
17 throughout the state of Georgia. And so the General
18 Assembly wanted the State Election Board to come up with a
19 new plan on how such grants can be received and how such
20 grants can be distributed statewide.
21 In the August report from the State -- from the
22 Secretary of State's Office, they basically sent out
23 various possibilities that we could consider. And what I
24 want to do today is sort of make a specific
25 recommendation. First off, regarding how the -- the funds
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1 were to be distributed. The question was whether or not
2 it should be distributed through the Secretary of State or
3 through this Board.
4 And it's my recommendation that we take on that
5 responsibility to grant the -- be the ones to -- to
6 administer, basically, decide on which -- what grant
7 should be given to what county and for what purpose. I
8 think that that's probably more closely in tune with the
9 intent of the General Assembly when they passed this --
10 this requirement.
11 The second was whether or not how this -- these funds
12 should be distributed. There -- there were two possible
13 scenarios that were offered. The first scenario was that
14 all the grants were to be collected and then to be
15 distributed to the -- to all the counties based on
16 population.
17 The second possibility was to instead -- in effect
18 create a grant program in which we would take application
19 from particular counties and -- and determine where the
20 money should be spent based on the -- my concern with the
21 first scenario is that the larger counties would thereby
22 receive more of the funding. And quite frankly larger
23 counties generally have more of the resources available.
24 They are usually the wealthier counties of our state. A
25 lot of the needs, specific needs, are usually in those
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1 smaller counties with more limited population and more
2 limited budgets in order to meet the constitutional
3 requirements when it comes to voting.
4 There's also my -- there was concern that was voiced
5 by some members of this Board in August and -- and I have
6 taken it to heed in which we don't want grants to be --
7 to, basically, end up supplementing the budget for the
8 operation. Rather we prefer to see grants to be
9 distributed to particular counties based on some type of
10 specific need, usually, probably capital needs in
11 particular. Rather than trying to supplement an
12 operational budget which over time those counties would
13 suddenly -- being more dependent upon grants rather than
14 going to their own citizens to make sure they receive the
15 necessary resources.
16 So my recommendation is that we go the latter. That
17 we administer based on the grant program which application
18 would be made by particular counties in which we take a
19 look at the particular needs of that county. And quite
20 frankly take a look at whether or not that county can meet
21 those needs on its own versus having some supplemental
22 help, particularly in the area -- some -- some type of
23 capital need. So that's generally the recommendation.
24 I also have within the report pointing out to the
25 General Assembly that should this become a fully
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1 operational system, that some type of additional funding
2 to us will be necessary in order to administer it. It's a
3 little bit difficult to determine at this time how much is
4 exactly needed until we actually see how much in various
5 grants are provided to us from various private sources.
6 But nevertheless, we need to alert the General Assembly
7 that -- that should they want to move forward with this
8 program that -- that we're going to need some additional
9 resources by this Board. As we will in other areas where
10 we're also asking for additional funding to meet the --
11 the requirements of -- of Senate Bill 202.
12 That's essentially my -- my report, Mr. Chairman.
13 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you, Mr. Lindsey. Now, let me
14 open it up for comment from members of the Board, if there
15 are any. Dr. Johnston.
16 DR. JOHNSTON: So as we had talked about in previous
17 meetings, I am opposed to grants and the influence it has
18 and the effect on behavior that results in -- for the
19 recipients of such grants. However, I suspect I may be
20 out voted in this proposal. So if there are grants, and
21 the State Election Board is the one to administer this,
22 then I think I would recommend that all of these -- all
23 applications -- grant applications be posted publicly. So
24 that the public can review such applications and continue
25 transparency notices would be posted for at least 30 days
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1 for public comment. So that every step of the grant
2 application and award should be a matter of -- that's
3 available to the public.
4 MR. DUFFEY: Any other comments? Okay.
5 DR. JOHNSTON: I have another.
6 MR. DUFFEY: Pardon me?
7 DR. JOHNSTON: Additionally, and a little research I
8 found that Florida -- the state of Florida does have a
9 grant program. And the elections division can be a
10 recipient of grants. And they're restricted to certain
11 items which are not included in operating budgets, but it
12 would be such items as developing multi-factor
13 authentication, vulnerability management, email security,
14 network hygiene and cyber security needs. So those are
15 just some suggestions that grants might be used for.
16 MR. LINDSEY: If I may, Mr. Chairman. In regards to
17 the first recommendation, I agree and I've viewed -- view
18 that as a -- a friendly amendment. And -- and I ask that
19 you make it, and I will, indeed, second it.
20 As to the second, I like the categories that were
21 mentioned. But we don't know what's going to be the need
22 for the next generation -- or next time. So I would
23 prefer that we have greater flexibility in terms of the
24 grants, in terms of what the needs are out there. So as
25 not to limit us in what areas that we could provide that.
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1 So I would ask that we might take -- start to limit our --
2 our range yet.
3 Let's see what goes on down the road. I do believe,
4 as I stated earlier, that this ought to be based more on
5 capital, sort of cyber security need and that category as
6 opposed to operational, in nature. But I do -- I do have
7 concerns about trying to restrict because we don't know
8 what the particular needs in a particular county needs at
9 a particular time.
10 MR. DUFFEY: Well, my view is this: That the purpose
11 of government, especially, the elections context, is to
12 allow in our state because elections are all conducted by
13 counties. Is that we need to enable counties to -- to do
14 what they are being asked by the General Assembly and by
15 the state to do and that often requires resources. So the
16 idea that we would look at grant applications and
17 determine need, I think I wholly endorse that. And I
18 wholly endorse the idea that the government has a
19 responsibility to assist those counties that don't have
20 the resources for the specific needs that they tell us,
21 and they apply for in order to provide the services and
22 election processes.
23 I too don't like the idea of saying it can only be
24 used for certain purposes. I'll give you a perfect
25 example of that is that we now know that security cameras
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1 at offices where -- where election equipment and where
2 election documents are kept, need -- we need to have a
3 record of what goes on within those facilities. And so we
4 don't know how many of the -- of the counties have that
5 capability and how it intersects it -- with whatever
6 internet provider records the -- the serve -- the videos
7 that are taken at those places. So there will be a
8 combination of hardware and I think software but it would
9 be our responsibility and we would work with the elections
10 division on this since they know the counties better than
11 we do. That while we would, ultimately, once we gather
12 the information make the final decision, the idea of
13 having -- of a process where we continue to collaborate
14 collegiately with the other people in the election
15 process, including counties which would be their
16 responsibility to tell us what we want. I -- I think is
17 the right approach to this. And I really agree that --
18 that the easy way is to say, well, let's just take all the
19 money, divide it up according to population. I think that
20 that would cause us to abrogate our responsibility to do
21 the hard work that's necessary to find out what people
22 need. And then to make the hard decision of who gets
23 money even though that might open us to criticism from
24 other countries, we're prepared to do that. Yes?
25 MS. GHAZAL: I know I said I have no comments. But,
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1 of course, I have come up with some comments. Which is
2 while I -- I agree that the -- that grant funding should
3 be used for capital projects. Because this is a report to
4 the General Assembly, I would, I believe, that it's
5 incumbent on the General Assembly. And I'm putting -- I
6 want to put it in the record, that they get a greater
7 understanding of the operational costs of the counties
8 because with the implementation of the new system that
9 we've now seen through two election cycles, the
10 operational costs have grown significantly on the counties
11 and I -- it's important that the General Assembly as they
12 create mandates understand what the impact of their --
13 their policies have been on the counties. Particularly
14 smaller counties that have very little resources at hand.
15 I am concerned that the operational costs are
16 reaching a point where it's unsustainable on counties and
17 it's -- it's -- I think it's important that the General
18 Assembly take that into account. And, in fact, invest
19 some of their resources into really understanding what the
20 impacts are.
21 MR. LINDSEY: If I may, Mr. Chairman?
22 MR. DUFFEY: Yes.
23 MR. LINDSEY: I agree. And I think maybe that's
24 another report for another day. But, you know, that's
25 part of our responsibilities. Many of you that have read
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1 very closely what our various mandates are. And one of
2 them is to report to the General Assembly particular needs
3 that we think are necessary for the -- the operation of a
4 -- of an election system. And -- and I do believe that
5 that's -- that that's one area where we need to consider
6 making sure that they are aware of the additional costs
7 that have been -- that have been placed on the various
8 counties. So that they can then take into account, not
9 only what additional resources the counties have but they
10 need to take into account what additional mandates they
11 may offer to them in the future and that's particularly
12 important in -- in the upcoming year, as a matter of
13 practice, I think wise practice.
14 The General Assembly generally makes tweaks or
15 changes to election laws in odd number years so as to give
16 counties and the state a chance to be prepared for the
17 next even year election. So the times for us to be able
18 to -- to make those suggestions and recommendations to the
19 -- to the legislature is coming up pretty quickly. Second
20 Monday in January is -- is on our heels.
21 MR. DUFFEY: Yeah. It looks as though -- I really
22 appreciate those comments. It's -- being new to this
23 process but -- but finding a lot of disparity and
24 resources of whether or not resources are being used for
25 elections as opposed to -- and whether or not the -- the
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1 grant money to counties for election purposes whether it's
2 generous or stingy. We -- it doesn't work unless they
3 have the resources. And so I do think as part of what
4 Mr. Lindsey has proposed is that it would fall upon us
5 when we made a request for funding for the purposes of
6 making these grants to counties that we -- that we provide
7 to them the background of the shortfall of resources in
8 these counties and why it is that we would need additional
9 funding to fund the grants that we receive. I mean, for
10 us I think it's -- it's a heavy lift. But I think it's an
11 important one and it's one I think that we should embrace
12 and that should be our recommendations to the General
13 Assembly. But all of you -- you two over here, you two
14 over here, I mean, that's what’s worked for us. But I've
15 never seen anybody on this Board in the last five months
16 ever shy away from an assignment.
17 MR. LINDSEY: And -- and Mr. -- Mr. Chairman, I would
18 -- I would accept this as a friendly amendment. Also to
19 the report perhaps is in the area of the recommendations
20 if -- to simply just point out to the General Assembly
21 we'll be coming back talking about the additional
22 operational burdens that are being placed on the counties
23 for the -- for the General Assembly's consideration,
24 something along those lines. I think that would be
25 appropriate for us to sort of set that up for the next
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1 step that a Board member has recommended.
2 MR. DUFFEY: Anymore discussion from members of the
3 Board?
4 DR. JOHNSTON: I'll say one more thing. So I -- I
5 thank you for that comment with the General Assembly and
6 the budget and the most probably the most expensive voting
7 system in the country that Georgia has. I just want to be
8 very aware and careful that the Assembly doesn't become
9 dependent on grants to fill the gap for the operation of
10 this voting system.
11 MR. DUFFEY: But in a way, the General Assembly can't
12 be dependent upon it because they have to give us the
13 money to grant to -- to the counties. So, I mean, this --
14 this whole -- the theoretical framework and structure of
15 this is that the money does come from the General Assembly
16 to the extent that it's needed to supplement the needs of
17 the counties above and beyond what the people might want
18 to contribute to a fund to help counties. But,
19 ultimately, the -- the difference is the -- is -- would be
20 our responsibility to explain to the General Assembly what
21 the need is.
22 And secondly, explain to them what the -- what the
23 revenue that's necessary to meet the need is. And then to
24 ask the General Assembly to provide sufficient funds to
25 allow counties to -- to meet the needs that they have
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1 which I think, ultimately, if we get into the cycle, it
2 will include changes that they make to election law that
3 impose additional burdens. I suspect that there would be
4 more counties say that we need more money if we have to do
5 that. And that's something that we, I think, reserve the
6 right to go to the General Assembly and explain what's
7 necessary for the fund -- for the -- for the process to --
8 to work correctly.
9 So with that, is there a motion to approve
10 Mr. Lindsey's recommendation as amended?
11 MR. LINDSEY: I -- I -- I would, Mr. Chairman, make
12 that motion and perhaps might be best for me to simply
13 make the motion to accept the report and then I'll accept
14 a couple of friendly amendments.
15 If I may?
16 MR. DUFFEY: You may.
17 MR. LINDSEY: So I -- I simply move for the -- for
18 the Board to accept the report that had been tendered to
19 the committee?
22 MR. DUFFEY: It's been moved and seconded to accept
23 the report given by Mr. Lindsey this morning. All those
24 in favor in say aye?
25 MR. LINDSEY: I think you need to accept the
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1 amendments first.
2 MR. DUFFEY: Well, we'll do that. Then we'll take
3 the amendments.
4 MR. LINDSEY: We take the amendments and then
5 (inaudible).
6 MR. DUFFEY: So you can tell I'm really new at this.
7 So -- so before we vote on that. We'll accept whatever
8 amendments members of the Board have to the report.
9 DR. JOHNSTON: So the suggested amendments are that
10 the applications shall be posted publicly for public
11 review with 30 days notice and public comments being made
12 available to this Board.
13 MR. LINDSEY: Second Mr. Chairman.
14 MR. DUFFEY: Just one clarification, would -- would
15 you also publicly report what the decision of the Board
16 was on the applications?
17 MR. LINDSEY: Yes, Mr. Chairman.
18 DR. JOHNSTON: Yes, Mr. Chairman.
19 MR. DUFFEY: Okay. So that's the first amendment.
20 And the second amendment, Ms. Ghazal?
21 MS. GHAZAL: I would like to propose a second
22 amendment that we include a paragraph in the report to the
23 General Assembly that with regard to operational burdens
24 on the counties and that further it study is important to
25 understand these costs in moving forward in the
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1 (inaudible).
2 MR. LINDSEY: I'll accept that as a friendly
3 amendment, as well, Mr. Chairman. So now we vote.
4 MR. DUFFEY: And so all those in favor of the motion
5 as amended by the two amendments say aye.
7 MR. DUFFEY: Opposed, no.
8 (No response)
9 MR. DUFFEY: Then it passes unanimously.
10 Mr. Lindsey, I don't -- I don't know how you put something
11 from an organization like us and present it to the General
12 Assembly. So could you draft up whatever we would
13 actually deliver to them and let us have a chance to look
14 at that?
15 MR. LINDSEY: I will, Mr. Chairman. I'll get it back
16 to the full -- to the full Board and -- and that's
17 generally what happens is in the first week of the General
18 Assembly such reports are -- that's when they are
19 generally transmitted to the leadership and then to the
20 full -- to the full house -- that's in the House and the
21 Senate.
22 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Thank you. Can we put a
23 date on that? That we would receive it for comment?
24 MR. LINDSEY: Well, you'll get it by the -- by the
25 end of this week, Mr. Chairman, because I'm going -- I'm
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1 going on -- I'm going to go have a holiday.
2 MR. DUFFEY: Oh, I see. He does the reports and then
3 we have to look at it over the holiday.
4 MR. LINDSEY: That's right. Seriously, Mr. Chairman,
5 I'll have it to you by the end of the week.
6 MR. DUFFEY: Yeah. Thank you very much.
7 MR. LINDSEY: These are -- these are fairly short
8 amendments.
9 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you. All right. So the next
10 matter that we have on the agenda is a -- is a report from
11 Ms. Ghazal about Rule 183-1-12-.13. Before I turn this
12 over to her to explain why we are considering this, one of
13 the things that we will do after the first of the year is
14 collect our thoughts about rules that we ought to
15 consider. And this one came up later in the rules
16 probably that might be as important as this one. But this
17 one needs to be addressed. But we will continue to do
18 that. We will prioritize our work and do those things
19 first that need to be done first.
20 This is one that needs to be done first. And we've
21 had a fair amount of input from people and with that, I'll
22 turn it over to a Board colleague, Ms. Ghazal.
23 MS. GHAZAL: Thank you. Rule 183-1-12-.13 is
24 regarding storage of returns. This rule relates to the
25 electronic storage of election-related data following the
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1 certification of an election. And this is actually a
2 really good opportunity that I wanted to have -- have the
3 time -- it's a reminder that, in fact, the counties are
4 doing this right now. While elections are done for voters
5 and for the candidates, the counties are still processing
6 the -- the runoffs. And I just wanted to acknowledge that
7 they are still hard at work, and I appreciate everything
8 that they are doing. Because without the work of the
9 counties, none of us would be here.
10 So this rule dictates exactly what and how the
11 electronic data is stored. And the -- one of the reasons
12 that we're looking at because we received a good bit of
13 input on -- on how to adjust it. It's important that we
14 standardize the process to make sure that every county is
15 storing the same data in the same format. But also
16 maintaining copies of information that are -- that need to
17 be publicly available. Including the digital images of
18 ballots which under Senate Bill 202 are now available to
19 the public through open records requests.
20 So I just wanted to go through the process of where
21 we are right now. After having consulted with a number of
22 individuals, we have -- we redrafted the rule. It has
23 been distributed to members of the Board informally along
24 with staff of the Secretary of State's Office. It's
25 important though before we publish this formally that we
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1 understand that the impact on the counties and make sure
2 that it is a practicable rule. That it does not create
3 additional burdens that they are overly burdensome and
4 that it's -- it's something that they can -- they can fit
5 into their standard practices and without hugely -- huge
6 disruptions in -- in their operations, post-election.
7 So once we have a fuller understanding of that.
8 After consulting directly with some of the counties, we
9 will publish this rule in probably in the next meeting is
10 where -- is what I anticipate. And it will be made
11 publicly available for 30 days. And that means that it
12 would be available for comment before and -- and input
13 from interested parties before we would even vote on it.
14 So this rule wouldn't be in place until at earliest
15 the April meeting that that's when it would be up, I
16 think, for -- for final -- a final vote on the Board. But
17 that's -- this is the process that we'll use also with
18 additional rules as we -- as we open them up and try to
19 review them. And I -- I don't want to speak on behalf of
20 the Board. But I certainly welcome input from members of
21 the public and interested parties on rules that you think
22 other -- other folks think need further examination. And
23 I'd be happy to answer any questions since I have sent
24 everything out a few days ago. We haven't had a chance
25 to --
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1 MR. DUFFEY: So we're not taking any official action?
2 MS. GHAZAL: No.
3 MR. DUFFEY: This was a report --
4 MS. GHAZAL: Just a report.
5 MR. DUFFEY: -- on why we are doing what we're doing
6 and what the process will be.
7 MS. GHAZAL: Exactly.
8 MR. DUFFEY: The -- the one thing I -- I want to add
9 to this is that we understand that while we have
10 authorities that we have to exercise it with input from
11 others. Like Evans who's Election Director has -- when we
12 were talking about something that -- that I wanted and
13 wanted the Board to do, his first thing was let's get some
14 practical input on what the practical impact will be on
15 the counties. And so we gathered together a collection of
16 election officials. And it changed my mind about whether
17 or not what I wanted to do was practical or reasonable
18 when imposed upon counties.
19 We went forward with a version of that, but and we
20 will, I think, in the future. But I think all of us
21 recognize that -- that we are not to direct people to do
22 things without understanding what the impact is going to
23 be in 159 counties in Georgia. And so one of the things
24 that I want us to do is to have more task forces or
25 whatever we -- we call them with election officials as we
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1 vet our ideas with them to find out whether or not they
2 are, in fact, practically achievable and -- and if they
3 impose too much of a burden what amendments can we make to
4 that to accomplish what we think is something that will
5 improve the election and trust in the election system.
6 But at the same time allow the counties to function
7 knowing that the counties range from large counties in the
8 metropolitan area to very small counties, the impact will
9 be different, and we want to get that information before
10 we go about the rule-making process. And I -- and I thank
11 Mr. Evans for -- for his help in making me see that.
12 There's one -- just -- this is not an agenda item. I
13 just want to report to you on -- on a follow-up. As you
14 know there's a Fulton County performance review that was
15 reported on previously. That the -- the performance
16 review committee said that in order to evaluate Fulton's
17 performance and -- and where it stands today, which would
18 be important to us in making a decision on -- as far as
19 how do we respond to the review. That because there was
20 an upcoming election, that we wanted the ability to see
21 their performance real-time under the stress of an
22 election. Since -- since that's where it's most important
23 for the county, any county, to function at its -- at its
24 best.
25 So we held until the end of the year the draft is the
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1 report to allow that to happen and, as you know, it's been
2 publicly made available at the Carter Center assisted in
3 looking at the evaluation in evaluating the conduct of the
4 county during the -- the election, the mid-terms, as well
5 as the runoff. And we want to get their information and
6 have that available to the committee before they finalize
7 their report. All of that, I think, will be extremely
8 helpful to us. And I -- I am reporting that we have been
9 informed as of yesterday that -- that we will receive --
10 the Board will receive a copy of the report on
11 January 13th of 2023. And that we -- that assuming that
12 the report is in a form that can be considered, I intend
13 to put it on the February meeting agenda. So I just
14 wanted you to know where were are in that process.
15 All right. Before we move on to the investigation
16 report section, is there anything else that the Board
17 members want to bring up before we move into complaints?
18 (No response)
19 MR. DUFFEY: No. Okay.
20 DR. JOHNSTON: Do -- do you want us to talk about
21 this proposed rule or?
22 MR. DUFFEY: No.
23 DR. JOHNSTON: No. Okay.
24 MR. DUFFEY: And that -- that's because the rule has
25 to be put into a form where we've had sufficient time to
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1 provide input before it's finalized. And then present it
2 in a meeting at which time we can -- we can then talk
3 about the rule. And then we go through the process that
4 once it's approved at the next meeting, that it will be
5 published for 30 days and we would vote on it at the
6 following meeting which would be in April.
7 MR. DUFFEY: Now, with the consent of the Board
8 members, there's a lawyer from Chatham County who is right
9 there (indicating). He has to go to a court hearing in
10 Savannah this afternoon.
11 MR. MASHBURN: Oh, my.
12 MR. DUFFEY: So he's asked to be moved up on the
13 agenda. And we have agreed to do that. He -- he is the
14 last one on the list of reports where the recommendation
15 of the investigators -- and you can sit down because we'll
16 hear the report first -- for referral to the Attorney
17 General's Office. So Sara, if you're prepared to do that
18 on the Chatham County case which is 2020-062. And that's
19 at tab 34.
20 See Ms. Koth is taking me at my word that when I ask
21 her to respond to something that she has four minutes.
22 So...
23 MS. KOTH: I’m ready.
24 MR. DUFFEY: I'm just kidding.
25 MS. KOTH: Is my mic on?
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1 MR. DUFFEY: Yes. Oh, what is she? Can you try
2 that?
3 MS. KOTH: Is it on now?
5 MS. KOTH: Okay. So this is case number 2020-062.
6 The Secretary of State Office received the following
7 complaints during the June 9th, 2020 general primary
8 election. The August 11th, 2020 general primary runoff
9 and the January 5th, 2021 general election runoff for
10 federal offices from Bruce Snyder, Jean Seiver, George
11 Sedberry, Celestine James and Gwen -- I'm not going to try
12 and pronounce the last name, and others. There were a
13 total of 20 different allegations. Do you want all of
14 them read?
15 MR. DUFFEY: Can you summarize them?
16 MS. KOTH: They were all, I mean, completely -- I
17 have the investigator here that's probably more
18 knowledgeable on this case. Glenn, do you want to come up
19 and maybe summarize so I don't have to read all 20 of
20 these?
21 MR. DUFFEY: So we're going to hear from Investigator
22 Archie.
23 MR. ARCHIE: Good morning, everybody.
24 MR. DUFFEY: Good morning.
25 MR. ARCHIE: All right. Like the chief said there
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1 were 20 total allegations in reference to this case.
2 MR. DUFFEY: Can you pull the microphone --
3 MR. ARCHIE: Oh, I'm sorry.
4 MR. DUFFEY: -- and speak into it, please?
5 MR. ARCHIE: Yes, sir. There was 20 allegations in
6 reference to this case. And pretty much, I'll go -- I'll
7 give a little brief on each one.
8 A voter named Bruce Snyder reported that he requested
9 an absentee ballot for the June 9th, 2020 election. I did
10 my inquiries and everything. I could find no record on
11 Enet where he had requested an absentee ballot. Also
12 talked with Ms. German and she checked her documents and
13 applications and was -- and was not able to recover one in
14 his name. He did tell me that he placed it in the mail so
15 in reference to his allegation, I couldn't sustain
16 anything because we don't know what happened to the
17 application after it was submitted to the mail.
18 George Sedberry reported that he voted also in the
19 June 9th, 2020 election. He requested an absentee ballot.
20 He was issued the absentee ballot May the 21st, 2020. And
21 he also had to submit a cure letter, evidently there was a
22 question about his signature. So the cure letter was
23 dated June the 1st of 2020. What happened with his, I
24 guess, when he went to the website, he noticed that he
25 received credit for voting in the August 11th, 2020
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1 election. Not the June 9th, 2020 election. I conducted
2 some more research in reference to that. Since they had
3 to cure his signature, his ballot was not accepted until
4 June the 10th of 2020.
5 Also talked with Ms. German because the county's are
6 the one that entered the information in reference to the
7 date that the ballots are mailed. We also requested when
8 they're mailed and when they're accepted and returned.
9 She had no idea what occurred. She said it wasn't on
10 their end. And it may have been possibly something that
11 occurred with the State in reference to that. And he --
12 the voter's concern was that his vote did not count. But
13 his vote did count. I obtained a copy of the oath
14 envelope and verified that his vote did count for that
15 election.
16 MR. DUFFEY: Mr. Archie, let me make this suggestion.
17 MR. ARCHIE: Yes, sir.
18 MR. DUFFEY: In the interest of time because --
19 MR. ARCHIE: Okay.
20 MR. DUFFEY: Let's focus on the ones where -- where
21 your office is recommending referral where there were
22 violations to be referred to the Attorney General's
23 Office.
24 MR. ARCHIE: Okay, sir.
25 MR. DUFFEY: What you just said gives us a flavor of
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1 the detail to which the investigators go into including on
2 those that are claimed. But to see whether or not the
3 claimed violations are, in fact --
4 MR. ARCHIE: Okay.
5 MR. DUFFEY: -- supported by the facts. Let's look
6 at the ones that the -- the county would like to respond
7 to.
8 MR. ARCHIE: All right. Okay. No problem, Your
9 Honor.
11 MR. ARCHIE: Okay. This is a pretty extensive
12 report. Okay. In reference, like I said, there's 20
13 allegations. I was able to sustain allegation number 3.
14 When Chatham County Elections Office -- they proofed their
15 District 4 ballot. What they failed to realize was that
16 the -- the District 4 Board of Education races were all
17 included on the District 4 ballot not included on the
18 District 7 ballot.
19 Okay. In reference to allegation number 5, an
20 Election Supervisor, Russell Bridges, failed to notify the
21 Secretary of State in writing, I believe, seven days prior
22 to processing absentee ballots prior to election day.
23 Sustained allegation number 11, in reference to a
24 board member with the Board of Elections there in Chatham
25 County. His name was Antoine Lang. While they were
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1 processing the absentee ballots, he used his cell phone to
2 post a live stream video on Facebook. This was witnessed
3 by two people that gave me statements.
4 In reference to allegation number 15, this involved
5 the -- when voters canceled their absentee ballots, the
6 poll workers failed to write canceled, date and time and
7 their initials across the face of these absentee ballots.
8 There's approximately about 100 ballots that occurred
9 with.
10 In reference to allegation number 17, 37 polls did
11 not open at 7:00 a.m. on June the 9th, 2020, in reference
12 to various reasons that occurred.
13 Also sustained allegation number 18, that when the
14 clerks were processing absentee ballots prior to the
15 June 1st, 2020 -- correction that's June 9th, 2020 general
16 primary. They were allowed to keep their cell phones in
17 their possession while they did that.
18 In reference to allegation number 19, reference to
19 the June 9th, 2020 general primary. Election Supervisor,
20 Russell Bridges, failed to post a notice of change at some
21 previous polling places to inform voters where they needed
22 to go vote. The investigation also revealed that while
23 the clerks were processing the ballots on June the 14th,
24 2020 which was a Sunday, they did not sign an oath that
25 day. They were not able to provide it.
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1 MR. DUFFEY: So I'm going to -- and I'm not sure how
2 the microphone -- I give him to. Or does he -- or do we
3 have him come up here? Or can you come up to a microphone
4 that we can turn on down here?
5 MR. MASHBURN: Turn on the microphone.
6 MR. DUFFEY: Do you have a number at your desk?
7 MR. PRETORIUS: I have a --
8 MR. MASHBURN: Test that microphone.
9 MR. DUFFEY: Try that microphone and see if that
10 works.
11 MR. PRETORIUS: Can you hear me?
12 MR. DUFFEY: You can pull it up.
13 MR. LINDSEY: Yep. Pull it up.
14 MR. PRETORIUS: Okay.
15 ` MR. MASHBURN: There you go.
16 MR. DUFFEY: See now you can be a legislator.
17 (Laughter)
18 MR. PRETORIUS: This is my first time here. Good
19 morning, Mr. Chairman and Members of the Board.
20 MR. DUFFEY: Could you give us your name and your --
21 and who you're -- who you're with and who you are speaking
22 on behalf of.
23 MR. PRETORIUS: Yes, sir. My name is Andre Pretorius
24 and I'm an Assistant County Attorney from Chatham County.
25 I will be representing the Chatham County Board of
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1 Elections in these matters.
2 As a -- just a start to this, I have spoken to
3 members of the elections board and the registrar's office.
4 And the 2020 elections was brand new because we had
5 received -- that year -- well, we normally get maybe 2,000
6 absentee ballots. We got over -- around 50,000 that year.
7 So we had new staff. The training that was conducted in
8 that February, we didn't even have the machines yet. We
9 were still waiting on those. So they didn't come in until
10 late April.
11 And so people had forgotten what the training was.
12 They never trained on the machines themselves. A lot of
13 the things that we did in this case were self-reported, as
14 well. And -- and so I'm kind of looking at these
15 allegations. And I want you guys to understand that, yes,
16 there is a statute. And the statute is very clear. But
17 what we have is some things that we had done that we
18 believe were in compliance and would be a factor that you
19 would have to consider when you look at the allegation
20 itself.
21 When we get to the -- the first allegation that was
22 mentioned, and in that case it was talking about the
23 ballot -- the District 4 and the District 7, one. Yes.
24 In that case, the original ballot that went out and this
25 was one where we had now over 130 -- I think it was 137
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1 ballots (inaudible) that we had to do. Including the hand
2 recount at the time. And somebody missed that District 4
3 designation. And it was immediately noticed after they
4 sent out the ballots.
5 Those ballots were then fixed and sent back in. And
6 everyone that received that ballot received the new ballot
7 with the correction on it. It took people when the
8 ballots came in to see the distinction between the two and
9 then count each one of those. And no votes were affected
10 in that matter. A total -- there was only a total of ten
11 ballots that were affected, and all of those votes were
12 counted. So I believe the process was fixed and it was
13 immediately rectified because it was immediately noticed.
14 And so, therefore, we're asking that you have some -- just
15 look at that one again and see that all the votes --
16 because the intent was to have all the votes counted.
17 Even if there's a mistake that that is rectified and
18 completed.
19 The second allegation that was mentioned was with the
20 notification to the Secretary of State. And I spoke to
21 Mr. Bridges, and he admits, he said, I did -- I did not do
22 that. It was an oversight on his part. It was a new rule
23 to him. He learned that he had not. Then he contacted
24 the Secretary of State and let them know that he didn't
25 send out the -- that he put -- but failed to do that. I
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1 believe also in this case, the intent of that statute is
2 to make sure that both the monitors are there from both
3 parties, right? And they all had notice and they all were
4 there, right? So the intent was to give the notice and
5 both parties were there. And they had sufficient notice
6 to be there. But, yes, you're correct. The notice itself
7 was not given seven days prior to that.
8 I believe the next allegation -- let me go -- is the
9 one with the -- Mr. Lang. Mr. Lang is no longer a board
10 member. And to explain the situation is -- is
11 interesting. We had a huge facility set up for this.
12 First time we've ever done that. And we had media that
13 came in and they had the same kind of situation where they
14 are allowed to film. But Mr. Lang did use his Facebook
15 live to do that. But it wasn't for the intent to show
16 what the ballots or anything. His intent was to show the
17 enormity of the process, that they were doing. It was a
18 just a brand new thing. And I believe his intent was
19 just, you know, show look how big this facility is. Look
20 at all the things that we're going here. So I believe the
21 intent behind that was good, but the process of that has
22 been fixed in the meantime. We now require -- make sure
23 everyone cannot do that. That they have to fulfill the
24 requirements to be able to video any of those things. So
25 I believe the process has been fixed since then. I think
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1 this was more of a mis -- an error on his part trying to
2 show that we are doing everything and look how big this
3 place is.
4 The next allegation on that list and I think it was
5 number -- okay. Number 17 which was that 37 polls did not
6 open at 7:00 a.m. during the June 9th, 2020 general
7 primary. Now, I -- when I was looking at the statute, it
8 says that it had to open, and polling had to start. This
9 was an issue when we came in with training. All the polls
10 were open at the time. The issue was people were having
11 problems with what they were doing at the polling stations
12 so there was a delay there.
13 And what we did is we immediately contacted the judge
14 and said, Judge, that it's a training thing. The polls
15 are open. There's just not -- the people don't
16 specifically know exactly what they're doing. So we're
17 working with them to get that done. So he immediately did
18 37 polling stations and we did an order by the judge to
19 extend all hours by an hour. So we believe we corrected
20 that issue and training has now been done and everything
21 else. So this has not been an issue and will not be an
22 issue in the future.
23 MR. DUFFEY: Well, let me -- can I just ask for
24 clarification.
25 MR. PRETORIUS: Yes.
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1 MR. DUFFEY: When you say people didn't know what to
2 do, you mean the people that were working in the precincts
3 didn't know what to do?
5 MR. DUFFEY: And that the voters couldn't vote?
6 MR. PRETORIUS: Well, it's not -- it was just a
7 delay. Yes, by a few minutes in some places. It's not
8 that the polling places weren't open. It was just that
9 somebody didn't know what do I do with this? What do I do
10 that? And it's because they never -- some of them had
11 never seen the machine. Because they were trained in
12 February again. The machines didn't come in until April.
13 So it was hard to train somebody about what the machine
14 does and looks like when it's not there. And so some of
15 them just didn't understand that little procedure so there
16 had to be that quick. This is what you do.
17 MR. DUFFEY: But do you think a voter who is in line
18 to vote at seven o'clock consider the polls open, but he
19 couldn't vote?
20 MR. PRETORIUS: Would the voter consider --
21 MR. DUFFEY: I mean, we tell voters the polls open at
22 seven o'clock.
24 MR. DUFFEY: Doesn't that tell them that that means
25 they can begin voting at seven?
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1 MR. PRETORIUS: Yes, I agree with you on that.
2 MR. DUFFEY: And that didn't happen in these cases
3 where people weren't ready?
4 MR. PRETORIUS: Yes. And it wasn't in all 37
5 locations. This was just a precautionary thing from the
6 judge to make sure that those 37 locations had that --
7 because we weren't exactly sure which ones was the ones so
8 we included the ones around it.
9 The next allegation was number 18 which was some
10 clerks that were processing absentee ballots prior to
11 June 9th, 2020, general primary were allowed to keep their
12 cell phones. And, again, this is one of those where it
13 was 2020, I know you understand the rule was changed and
14 it is -- it says that all cell phones, laptops,
15 audio/video recording device, other communications shall
16 be prohibited from the room where the processing of
17 absentee ballots are taking place except for county
18 election computers necessary. And the policy that we had
19 was that they not use their phones.
20 It was a new situation for us. It's a much longer
21 time frame now because it couldn't be processed until the
22 day of the election. And we took the phones from them
23 later on because we -- we found out that you cannot have a
24 phone in there. But the problem that we had was, again,
25 you had people that had to work multiple days. And,
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1 again, this is during the pandemic and there's medical
2 issues and family, other issues that they have. And so
3 just to have that phone there would be something that we
4 could do that we're not allowed to use them in the room.
5 I think we have corrected that issue now and wouldn't be
6 an issue in the future. I think it was just an error on
7 our part to say that our policy was to not use the phones
8 and not -- not have the phones.
9 The next one -- allegation was that Russell Bridges
10 failed to post a notice and -- hold on. I believe -- let
11 me make sure that's the correct one. The polling place
12 changes, yes. So this is another one of those situations
13 where we had multiple polling locations closed because
14 they were afraid of getting COVID. We had (inaudible)
15 hours that we're doing the -- and so we had about two
16 dozen other polls that decided even at the last minute
17 they did not want to have them there. And we corrected
18 that, and we fixed that.
19 So the only thing that we did -- we had six separate
20 workers to go around the county placing signs and notices.
21 So we believe we put all the signs and notices up. If --
22 when -- took down the sign that we didn't know about, then
23 that may have been one of the things where somebody took
24 down a notice that we didn't know about. And that would
25 be the only other explanation for that. But we had six
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1 workers that went around the county and placed notices on.
2 We also sent postcards to everybody to say when the
3 polling locations changed and the only time that we don't
4 place notice if it's the not -- not this election cycle,
5 but the next election cycle. So that you've already had
6 an election cycle where the notice was posted. So I'm not
7 sure exactly what the notice issue was because we believe
8 we sent everybody out. We put up all of our notices. And
9 that we sent out our postcards, even for the ones that
10 were last minute, we also sent those out. And we also had
11 our signs posted at those locations. So I'm not exactly
12 sure what the notice issue was if there was one that dealt
13 with a second election cycle or not. But, again, those
14 processes were in place. We believe this would not be an
15 issue in the future and we have ensured that those
16 processes are changed for the future.
17 The next allegation dealt with Ms. -- oh, here we go.
18 (Inaudible). Now, we spoke with the Secretary of State on
19 that one. And they informed us that if you had done the
20 oaths for those individuals prior to that date, you did
21 not have to do a daily oath. So as if -- if the notice --
22 or the statute says that we have to do daily notices then
23 the Secretary of State let us know that we did not have to
24 do a daily and that's what my confusion was with that.
25 We even checked on it to verify that that was not the
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1 issue. If they've already been sworn and there's an oath
2 and they didn't have to do a daily oath.
3 The last one that we had was the allegation with the
4 one with the absentee ballots. And the allegation states
5 that general -- during the general election runoff for
6 federal offices that some poll officers failed to process
7 the cancellation of absentee ballots properly. Some of
8 the poll officers failed to write canceled, the date and
9 time, and their initials across the face of the absentee
10 ballot. And this is the one that I -- I see what the
11 statute says, and I understand the reason and the need for
12 that. The problem that we have with them -- with the way
13 that it's worded is that we cannot remove the absentee
14 ballot from the envelope because then we would know what
15 the person voted. And that's the main issue that we want
16 to ensure is that you have confidentiality of your vote.
17 So if somebody comes into the registrar's office and hands
18 us their envelope with their absentee ballot in it, if we
19 open it up and write on there, then we would know what
20 their vote was. So what we did in this case, we checked
21 with the Secretary of State and the local board. And what
22 we were told was the process that we're doing was correct.
23 When we would write on the envelope canceled. And then we
24 also did an affidavit with it and submitted those. And
25 the reason that we let -- that they told us too was that
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1 that was a good process and that we have done that in many
2 years and that we were doing it correctly.
3 So if there's a -- a change that we now want to open
4 someone's ballot, then we just need to be informed that
5 and we will comply with that procedure. We felt that it
6 was a confidentiality with your vote issue, and we did not
7 want to have people know what their votes were. And then,
8 you know, you may have somebody sitting there looking at
9 it and may not like who you're voting for. And send you
10 to the wrong place or something like that. We don't know.
11 But we're -- we're trying to be as open and clear as
12 possible that we did not want to know what your vote was.
13 MR. DUFFEY: Can you -- can you tell me again who
14 told you that procedure was okay?
15 MR. PRETORIUS: The Secretary of State's Office.
16 MR. ARCHIE: Can I -- can I add something about those
17 canceled ballots? The -- the information that was written
18 did not follow the statute. Some of them were missing the
19 poll -- poll manager's name or they didn't use the word
20 canceled. They would use something else. I made copies
21 of all the ones that I found. At -- at no time were any
22 of those opened. You know, my understanding is they're
23 not supposed to open those envelopes. They're supposed to
24 just write on the outside, canceled, date and time, and
25 then the poll worker or poll manager's name.
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1 MR. PRETORIUS: Correct.
2 MR. ARCHIE: So that's where those errors occurred.
3 They didn't put all -- some of them were maybe missing the
4 poll manager's name. Some didn't have canceled, you know,
5 involved all different type categories in reference to
6 that.
7 MR. PRETORIUS: And -- and if that's the issue, then
8 I would defer to his investigation.
9 The -- I do want to state further that in June of
10 2020, we were in a full blown COVID pandemic. Poll
11 workers were trained in February for an election in March
12 that occurred in June. More than 100 poll workers could
13 not work or decided to retire. More than two dozen
14 polling locations declined to serve as a poll. The
15 election equipment was new and being used for the first
16 time. We were extremely understaffed with only four full
17 time staffing managing an election and this was an
18 election of epic proportions. We -- Chatham County does
19 not have a history of sloppy elections. Since then we
20 have gotten a new elections director. A new deputy
21 director of elections and we've added ten full time staff.
22 Again, we did not have the equipment when we were
23 training in February. The first display of the machines
24 was not until April. And we had our representative
25 actually come out too when we were unveiling the machines.
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1 And, you know, I voted for a machine that I had never even
2 seen before.
3 The main issue for us is that all the votes were
4 counted. Everything balanced. All of this had to be
5 done. We also had to do a hand recount at this time. And
6 so I think the intent of a fair election, yes, is to
7 follow all of the laws, but also to make sure that all
8 ballots were cast and all votes counted. Thank you.
9 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you, Mr. Pretorius. Does anybody
10 have any questions for Mr. Pretorius?
11 MS. GHAZAL: First, thank you so much for coming up
12 from Savannah and for having done so much research on
13 -- on this before you came. It's extremely helpful to me
14 to really understand exactly what happened. I did have a
15 couple of questions and I'm not sure whether Investigator
16 Archie or you are in a better position to answer them.
17 But particularly with regard to those absentee
18 ballots that were -- that were brought in, turned in and
19 canceled. Were they properly canceled in Enet? And I --
20 but I think the -- the biggest concern with that is making
21 sure that only one person's vote -- or one vote counted
22 per voter.
23 MR. PRETORIUS: Yes. And that -- that is correct.
24 We did everything correctly as far as that -- the
25 affidavits were done, and they were sent because I think
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1 most of these allegations were at the registrar's office
2 and they were sent to the correct polling location.
3 MS. GHAZAL: Okay.
4 MR. ARCHIE: They did have an affidavit stapled to
5 them. (Inaudible) in terms that --
6 MS. GHAZAL: So there's no way they could have been
7 counted since they were stapled to that?
8 MR. ARCHIE: Yes, ma'am. And then there was
9 something written. It may not say canceled. But there
10 was something written on it. I think some of them said
11 spoiled, you know, and they were missing some of the poll
12 worker's or poll manager's names. But the letters were
13 attached.
14 MS. GHAZAL: Thank you. Thank you. That's helpful.
15 All right. Also with regard to that particular incident
16 and that -- that accusation. There -- there seem to be
17 some -- some real inappropriate behavior on the part of
18 the poll watcher. Interfering, you know, with voters.
19 Interfering with -- interfering with the -- the manager --
20 poll managers and it's important to note that even though
21 that was not a -- a case here. That is not appropriate
22 behavior and at the appropriate time I would like to
23 recommend that we send -- not -- not refer them to the
24 Attorney General's Office, but at a minimum send a letter
25 of instruction to the poll watcher, as well, because that
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1 behavior can't happen in a polling place.
2 MR. PRETORIUS: Thank you.
4 MR. LINDSEY: If I may, Mr. Chairman, a question. Is
5 now a perfect time to make a comment or do you just want
6 questions at this point?
7 MR. DUFFEY: Both.
8 MR. LINDSEY: And I appreciate your research on this,
9 I do. And I appreciate the difficult position you're in.
10 As one trial lawyer to another, I've had to stand in front
11 of governing authorities and had the feeling of wearing
12 somebody else's wet bathing suit because my client had
13 done something that he should not have done. And I want
14 to make sure you understand that.
15 MR. PRETORIUS: Yes, sir.
16 MR. LINDSEY: I'm -- I'm debating quite frankly in my
17 mind, and I don't know if I have enough information yet to
18 -- to not only send this to the Attorney General's Office.
19 But under O.C.G.A. 21-2-107, the State Election Board has
20 the independent authority to create an independent
21 performance review to see what's going on here. Because
22 my concern here -- now, most of the violations we see are
23 involving a isolated -- an incident that's somewhat
24 isolated involving one entity that's done -- one
25 individual or a small group of individuals does something
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1 wrong.
2 In this situation, we seem to have a systemic
3 breakdown by Chatham County to the degree that it -- that
4 -- that very well probably did impact some people's
5 ability to vote. You know, for instance, 37 polling
6 places that opened late. Most counties that if they have
7 a problem, it's one maybe two. In this situation we're
8 dealing with 37. That's a systemic problem. And that
9 some other issues, as well. At the appropriate time I am
10 going to make a motion to -- to send it to the Attorney
11 General. But I would also, Mr. Chairman, I don't know how
12 to do this exactly. I'd like to -- while sending it to
13 the Attorney General, I would also like to request that --
14 that someone from the county itself, like the election
15 supervisor come to us and provide us with an assurance
16 that what happened in June 2020 did not happen again in
17 November 2020. And did not happen again in subsequent
18 elections. That remedial steps have been taken so that
19 this did not happen again so that we don't have to send
20 this exercise of power underneath the code section I just
21 cited to ask for an independent review if you guys have
22 already taken can of this. You all understand where I'm
23 going --
24 MR. DUFFEY: I do and I think what I would ask
25 Ms. Koth to do is I would like for you to go back and see
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1 how many Chatham County complaints we've had in the last
2 say three years to see whether or not we could see this as
3 just, while egregious, but an isolated period of time or
4 have we seen other issues. I think that would help us to
5 decide on whether a performance review is appropriate or
6 whether having somebody come up.
7 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah. And -- and including a
8 discussion with the -- with the election officials
9 themselves.
10 MR. DUFFEY: Right.
11 MR. LINDSEY: And I would like something whether or
12 not they appear here or at least something in writing from
13 them to -- to demonstrate that the -- that the training
14 breakdowns. That the other breakdowns that we see -- saw
15 here this year. Have we take -- they've taken remedial
16 action to make sure that doesn't happen again. Because if
17 it don't, I'm going to have make a motion at some other
18 time that we have -- that have been reviewed (inaudible)
19 now. But I want -- since it was two years ago. But this
20 sort of thing should never happen.
22 MR. PRETORIUS: And -- and we agree. It's -- we
23 didn't have those issues before. And we haven't had those
24 issues now.
25 MR. LINDSEY: I -- I really understand the -- the --
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1 the circumstances in June 2020.
3 MR. LINDSEY: I just want to make sure that what
4 happened in June 2020, isn't a pattern conduct that is
5 impacting the voters of Chatham County today. And if it
6 is, then we need to be taking some -- some direct actions
7 in addition to sending it to the Attorney General that --
8 that's what I'm saying.
9 MS. GHAZAL: Just -- just to add a little bit of
10 color on June 2020. I don't remember the exact number of
11 counties that had extended hours. But I know that it was
12 more than a dozen.
14 MS. GHAZAL: So this -- while, yes, it -- it appears
15 egregious. I think that we could probably have similar
16 reviews of other counties that look --
18 MS. GHAZAL: -- where the patterns are similar. Just
19 before we -- I want to make sure we understand the context
20 of that across the State.
21 MR. LINDSEY: That's entirely why I'm not making that
22 motion today.
23 MS. GHAZAL: Yeah. Right.
24 MR. LINDSEY: I recognize the -- the -- the -- the
25 nature of June 2020.
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1 MS. GHAZAL: Yeah.
2 MR. LINDSEY: But I just want to make sure that steps
3 have been taken so that it hasn't happened since.
5 MR. LINDSEY: That -- that's all I'm saying.
6 MT. DUFFEY: And the other thing I think I heard you
7 say was that the Court extended hours for 37 precincts?
9 MR. DUFFEY: That went beyond the precincts that did
10 not open on time.
11 MR. PRETORIUS: That is correct.
12 MR. DUFFEY: Do you know how many precincts did not
13 open on time?
14 MR. PRETORIUS: I -- I would have to -- and this
15 would just be a guess -- it may have been five. But for
16 extra safety and precaution the judge included 37 of them.
17 MR. DUFFEY: Mr. Lindsey, I think maybe what we
18 should do, talking about the 107 authority that we have,
19 is to send them a letter. And say these are the concerns
20 we would like for you to tell us and -- and explain what
21 it is that we need to know to deliberate over whether or
22 not to take an additional step.
23 MR. LINDSEY: Yes, Mr. Chairman. I think we should
24 -- that I would support that that's exactly the sort of
25 thing I'm looking for.
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1 DR. JOHNSTON: Mr. Chairman, just to be clear, 21-2-
2 388 states the poll manager shall mark canceled and the
3 date -- and the manager shall date and time across the
4 face of the absentee ballot.
6 DR. JOHNSTON: And show initials.
7 MR. PRETORIUS: Yes, that's correct.
8 DR. JOHNSTON: So I'm -- I'm confused about a mixed
9 message.
10 MR. PRETORIUS: No, no. It's not a mixed message.
11 What we -- what we have done in the past and what we have
12 gotten direction from the Secretary of State to do is to
13 write on the envelope that the absentee ballot is in. The
14 reason for that is that we want to protect the secrecy of
15 the ballot. So once -- if you open the envelope then you
16 would remove the absentee ballot and know what the person
17 was voting. And so, therefore, to exclude that, we leave
18 it in the envelope. Write on the outside of the envelope
19 and attach an affidavit that the vote is now canceled.
20 DR. JOHNSTON: But the statute says the ballot shall
21 be marked canceled.
22 MR. PRETORIUS: Correct. And that's why we checked
23 with the Secretary of State that the procedure was proper
24 and they told us that it was the proper procedure. Even
25 if the statute says that. Correct. And that's why I
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1 said, the statute says the thing when we call and make
2 sure that we're supposed to do that. And they tell us,
3 you know, for that reason what you are doing is the
4 correct procedure. We -- we can only comply with --
6 MR. PRETORIUS: -- we were instructed.
7 DR. JOHNSTON: So -- so my understanding is poll
8 managers take an oath.
10 DR. JOHNSTON: That they will abide by the law.
12 DR. JOHNSTON: And they will not reveal any
13 confidential information before the close of the polls.
14 MR. PRETORIUS: That is correct. My only concern
15 with that is even if you know if I see you sitting there
16 as a poll worker and I bring my absentee ballot to you,
17 and I see you opening my ballot and then reading my
18 ballot. As a citizen, I would feel that would be
19 inappropriate because now my ballot's no longer secret.
20 That's my only concern with that. I understand what
21 you're saying about a poll worker taking an oath. But
22 even certain things are hidden from most officials. Some
23 officials are not allowed to look at certain confidential
24 information that certain people (inaudible) declares to be
25 secret. And this is one of the constitutional rights.
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1 DR. JOHNSTON: So you're saying because you're
2 concerned, you don't need to follow the law?
3 MR. PRETORIUS: No. I'm not saying that. I'm just
4 saying what we did was comply with what the Secretary of
5 State told us was correct procedure.
6 MR. DUFFEY: Well, let me remind everybody what the
7 purpose of us hearing this complaint and any of these
8 complaints is it's, especially those that are recommended
9 to be referred to the Attorney General's Office is -- we
10 don't make a finding --
12 MR. DUFFEY: -- whether or not --
14 MR. DUFFEY: -- there was a violation to refer to the
15 Attorney General's Office. And if they need additional
16 questions answered, they can investigate those additional
17 matters. And, ultimately, because even if the Attorney
18 General's representative is here and has listened to all
19 these things which I would send you're offering in
20 mitigation that might help them to determine what the
21 appropriate disposition is. But it's --
23 MR. DUFFEY: -- us referring to the Attorney
24 General's Office should we choose to do so for additional
25 investigation for purposed disposition.
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1 MR. PRETORIUS: Correct. Thank you.
2 MR. DUFFEY: Any other comments? Questions?
3 MS. GHAZAL: One -- one last comment. This is not
4 the first and it won't be the last case in which ballot
5 proofing is a critical step that cannot be skipped by
6 counties. And so for any counties that are listening,
7 please remember how important this is. Because there is a
8 cascading series of errors that happens if -- if mistakes
9 are missed in the ballot proofing step. We've seen it
10 over and over again in multiple counties and I just think
11 that every time we see it, we need to highlight it so that
12 counties understand they can't skip that step. Even with
13 136 ballots (inaudible).
14 MR. DUFFEY: Let me just ask you for those people
15 that might be new to this. When you use the term ballot
16 proofing, could you explain what you mean by that?
17 MS. GHAZAL: So a county has -- every voter has an
18 assigned ballot which means that you have your district's
19 -- your district races to vote in. The larger the county
20 is, the more ballot styles they have and the harder it is
21 to make sure that every precinct and every voter receives
22 their appropriate ballot so that they get to vote on their
23 representatives and not somebody else's. The -- the case
24 here demonstrated that -- that some voters received a
25 ballot that had two school district races on it. And some
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1 voters received a ballot that had no school district races
2 on it when they needed it. They corrected it midstream so
3 that the -- the election itself was still valid. And
4 voters had the correct ballot. But because they had to
5 correct it, they had to create all new databases and --
6 and, like I said, there is a cascading series of problems
7 that -- that will emerge if you have -- if you first have
8 the ballots wrong. We've seen it in other counties that
9 have resulted in the -- the tabulators being mis-
10 programmed. And it creates an enormous sense of
11 uncertainty with voters. If they don't understand what
12 the problems are. So if you get the process right in the
13 beginning, you'll get the right results at the end. So I
14 just wanted to highlight that. This is yet another case
15 where it's -- it's a tedious process, but perhaps counties
16 need to make sure there is a backup review to make sure
17 they get it right the first time.
18 MR. DUFFEY: And the purpose of this is to provide
19 context. Not just for you --
20 MS. GHAZAL: Yes.
21 MR. DUFFEY: -- but for everybody --
23 MR. DUFFEY: -- including those people that are
24 watching because all of our collective interest is to make
25 sure that if there are any -- if there -- if there's
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1 conduct that has an unintended consequence, that the
2 purpose of the rules is to make sure that -- that we don't
3 have to suffer an unintended consequence because we've
4 done it right the first time. But that's the only point.
6 MR. DUFFEY: Anything else?
7 DR. JOHNSTON: Thank you. I'm just concerned that
8 there are -- they're valid ballots that could be used.
9 They're -- they're not marked as canceled. And could be
10 substituted at some point in the tabulation process or
11 counting process. In an -- and a unwanted vote be
12 discarded. And they've chosen a vote be substituted. So
13 I am concerned that every canceled absentee ballot be
14 marked canceled so that -- so that it could not be
15 substituted at a -- at a later stage in the process of the
16 election.
17 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Thank you, Dr. Johnston.
18 Any other comments before -- then would somebody -- my
19 proposal is that let's go ahead.
21 MR. DUFFEY: If there's an appropriate motion, we'll
22 vote on that. And we can go back to our regular agenda.
23 MS. KASPRZYCKI: Excuse me -- I'm sorry to interrupt,
24 but I'm actually one of the complainants with this case.
25 And --
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1 MR. DUFFEY: I'm sorry, what?
2 MS. KASPRZYCKI: I'm one of the complainants in this
3 case with Chatham County.
4 MR. LINDSEY: She's one of the complainants.
5 MS. KASPRZYCKI: And I received a letter that I would
6 be able to make a statement.
8 MR. DUFFEY: Okay.
9 MS. KASPRZYCKI: Sorry. I hate to interrupt but I'm
10 not I’ve never done this before. I actually -- and I was
11 a poll watcher in Chatham County for this election and I'm
12 actually the individual that noticed --
13 MR. DUFFEY: Could you pick up your microphone
14 please.
15 MS. KASPRZYCKI: Sure.
16 MR. DUFFEY: What's your -- is your number 26? 76?
17 MS. KASPRZYCKI: Hello?
18 MR. DUFFEY: What's your number?
19 MS. KASPRZYCKI: I'm -- I'm not -- I'm not sure what
20 number. I actually witnessed the improper processing --
21 MR. DUFFEY: No. I mean the number on your desk.
22 MS. KASPRZYCKI: Oh, RT5. It says it's on. It says
23 it's on but -- it's not --
24 MR. MASHBURN: Counselor, can you hand her your
25 microphone?
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2 MR. DUFFEY: Just -- just come forward and speak from
3 his desk.
4 MR. PRETORIUS: Yeah. Mine's still on.
5 MS. KASPRZYCKI: Thank you very much. Thank you very
6 much for reading that part of the legislative code section
7 because I had it with me to read, as well. My name is
8 Gwen Kasprzycki. And I was a certified poll watcher in
9 Chatham County for the 2020 Senate runoff election, during
10 early voting and on January 5th. You should have a copy
11 of my signed affidavit. I would like to expound on that
12 affidavit today.
13 Every voter that arrived at my polling locations and
14 surrendered their ballot -- their absentee ballot to vote
15 in person did so without their ballot being canceled,
16 according to O.C.G.A. 21-2-388. The envelopes were taken
17 by the poll workers, most unopened. There were two
18 envelopes. The United States government envelope on the
19 outside and the ballot envelope on the inside. As long --
20 as long as the ballot -- the only envelope that was
21 touched with the affidavit assigned to it -- or was
22 stapled to it was the outer envelope. Not even the
23 envelope with the ballot inside.
24 Let's see, they were stapled to an affidavit that the
25 voter signed. They were placed in a wire basket and taken
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1 away at the end of the day which who knows what happened
2 to those ballots. Nobody knows, I mean, it -- it was a
3 live -- actually they were live ballots. I talked to
4 Russell Bridges, the Chatham County Elections Supervisor.
5 And I asked him directly why the -- the poll workers were
6 not following O.C.G.A. 21-2-388. And he looked me in the
7 eyes and sarcastically said, don't worry about it. I'll
8 take full responsibility. By failing to comply to code,
9 no one can say for sure that those absentee ballots
10 weren't cast. But I can say with certainty that the code
11 section set by the Georgia legislature was not followed.
12 And I want to thank you for letting me speak.
15 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you, again.
16 MS. KASPRZYCKI: Thank you.
17 MR. DUFFEY: Anything else from members of the Board?
18 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah. At the appropriate time,
19 Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion.
20 MR. DUFFEY: If you would, please.
21 MR. LINDSEY: The motion to refer the matter to the
22 Attorney General.
23 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Is there a second?
24 MR. LINDSEY: That would be the first part of my --
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1 MR. DUFFEY: It's been first and seconded that we
2 refer the matter of 2022-062 to the Attorney General's
3 Office. Is there any discussion?
4 MR. MASHBURN: Just by way of clarification,
5 Mr. Chairman, are we going to dismiss allegations 1, 2, 4,
6 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16 and 18? Their
7 recommendation is that they be dismissed or not? No
8 finding, are we going to dismiss those? Or are we going
9 to send all the allegations to --
10 MR. LINDSEY: Thank you Mr. -- thank you. Let me
11 clarify. I will -- I move that -- that we send the matter
12 to the Attorney General in conformance with the
13 recommendations of the -- of the investigator. And also,
14 to dismiss those allegations that were -- that the
15 investigator recommended be dismissed. Thank you.
16 MR. DUFFEY: Is there a second to that motion?
18 MR. DUFFEY: Any discussion?
19 (No response)
20 MR. DUFFEY: There being none. All those in favor of
21 the motion say aye.
23 MR. DUFFEY: All those oppose no.
24 (No response)
25 MR. DUFFEY: The motion passes and it will be
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1 referred to the Attorney General's Office. I hope you
2 understand that that's the next part of the process.
5 MR. DUFFEY: And the Attorney General's
6 representative has, you know, has been here and listened
7 to everything you had to say today.
8 MR. LINDSEY: And -- and if I may, Mr. Chairman, I
9 would also like to -- to follow-up on -- on your
10 suggestion. That -- that we direct you, I guess, to send
11 a letter to Chatham County requesting information on how
12 -- what steps they have taken to correct some of the
13 alleged actions that took place in 2020 to ensure that
14 this systemic issue that happened at that time has not
15 continued. In order to ensure the people of Chatham
16 County that their votes -- that they can -- that they can
17 vote and that their votes will be accurately counted.
18 MR. DUFFEY: Is there a second to that motion?
20 MR. DUFFEY: Any -- any discussion?
21 (No response)
22 MR. DUFFEY: All right. It's been moved and
23 seconded. That we -- that we draft a letter to Chatham
24 County to address the deficiencies that were reported in
25 the -- reported in the investigation on this matter which
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1 is 2020-062. In addition to any other deficiencies that
2 might be disclosed in a review of complaints against
3 Chatham County for the last several years. And that's the
4 motion.
7 MR. DUFFEY: Opposed, no.
8 (No response)
9 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Then --
10 MR. LINDSEY: And I don't believe it takes a motion,
11 Mr. Chairman, just -- just if I may ask that the matter be
12 placed back on the calendar in February to see what the
13 reaction was to Chatham County. So that we can then
14 determine whether or not a performance review is necessary
15 and hopefully one will not be. But let's see.
16 MR. DUFFEY: Make a note of that and remind me when I
17 send out the agenda whether or not it's necessary to put
18 that on as an agenda item.
19 MR. LINDSEY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
20 MR. DUFFEY: And, Ms. Koth, if you could please do
21 that review for us, I'd appreciate it. Thank you for
22 being with us. You may now travel back to Chatham County
23 attend your hearing.
24 MR. PRETORIUS: Thank you, sir.
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1 MR. PRETORIUS: Thank you.
2 MR. DUFFEY: All right. So we will now go back to
3 the regular order of complaints. But I'm going to -- I'm
4 going to recess for ten minutes. Ten minutes is when the
5 big hand's at the top and the -- so that we can continue
6 with a progress. So let's keep it to that time. So we'll
7 be in recess for ten minutes.
8 (Whereupon, a brief recess was taken at 10:34-10:44
9 a.m.)
10 MR. DUFFEY: Let's come back to order, please. All
11 right. Would everybody please be seated? Ms. Koth, are
12 you ready?
13 MS. KOTH: Yes.
14 MR. DUFFEY: Okay. We will now move to those groups
15 of cases which are cases recommended to be dismissed. And
16 what I will do is I will ask whether any of the members of
17 the Board would like to discuss specifically any of these
18 cases. We have been provided with the investigator's
19 summaries and reports. And so there are some that I
20 believe members of the Board would like to discuss, as a
21 Board, more specifically. I'll begin with anybody that
22 would like to discuss any of them specifically. All
23 right. Ms. Ghazal?
24 MS. GHAZAL: Yes.
25 MR. DUFFEY: We'll do them one at a time.
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1 MS. GHAZAL: Very good. I would actually -- the --
2 the first case I would actually like to request that case
3 SEB 2021-151, be continued and I would like to ask for
4 some additional research on that specific case. And that
5 was Tab 14.
6 MR. DUFFEY: All right. So let's talk about that
7 individually and specifically what you observed about that
8 and what you would like done in addition if it's pulled?
9 MS. GHAZAL: In -- in this case, Fulton County
10 absentee ballot processing due to an error in training.
11 There were multiple absentee ballots issued to a single
12 voter. And I would like that researched further because I
13 believe that there were violations in that case. And I
14 want to understand what steps have been taken to ensure
15 that that cannot happen again.
16 MR. DUFFEY: Ms. Koth, would you like to maybe
17 summarize this since we're discussing it for the group and
18 for us. And then if you can respond to what Ms. Ghazal
19 said. I'd appreciate that. You might not be able to, but
20 if you could, that would be helpful.
21 MS. KOTH: Summarize the complaint. Is that what you
22 said?
23 MR. DUFFEY: Yes.
24 MS. KOTH: Yes. This complaint -- the complainant
25 received unsolicited absentee ballots from Fulton County
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1 for the November 2nd, 2021 general election. And the
2 findings were -- they researched the issue and resolved
3 that during the training for the EV. The staff were
4 likely provided voter records for the purposes of scenario
5 training. But were in the active system of election net
6 instead of the training module.
7 Thus the action caused the voter to have changes made
8 to his actual record. An error appears that instead of
9 marking in person, they mistakenly marked by mail. Which
10 then added the voter to the absentee file that's pulled
11 daily for mail out. When marking mail out, they also
12 never clicked an issue date and therefore the voter was
13 continually added to the file to be issued a ballot.
14 The manner in which the file was run which was
15 commutatively cause for the voter with no issue date to
16 continuously be included. They corrected the method in
17 which the file was run to prevent future instances and
18 have spoken to Ms. Benjamin to ensure future trainings
19 must be verified that staff are working within the
20 training module of election net. That was from the deputy
21 director.
22 MR. DUFFEY: Right. So that seems one of the
23 concerns that you had about the intended consequences --
24 MS. GHAZAL: Yes. Yes. Exactly. And -- and I
25 believe it's -- it would behoove us to -- to make sure
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1 that Fulton has full notice of this and has an opportunity
2 to to be represented once this is discussed more fully.
3 Which is why I request that it be continued to a future
4 meeting.
5 MR. DUFFEY: Is there any objection to continuing it
6 at a future meeting?
7 MR. LINDSEY: No objection.
8 DR. JOHNSTON: I had the same questions.
9 MR. MASHBURN: No objection.
10 MR. DUFFEY: All right. So I'm going to remove that
11 from the agenda. We'll put it on the February --
13 MR. DUFFEY: Next.
14 MS. GHAZAL: The next case I wanted to discuss
15 separately, Ms. Koth, would -- would present Tab 15,
16 SEB 2021-153, city of Fort Gaines.
17 MR. DUFFEY: Now, Ms. Koth, could you summarize that
18 complaint for us, please?
19 MS. KOTH: Yes. This one had four allegations. The
20 city of Fort Gaines is conducting a municipal election
21 inside the City Hall and Mayor Kenneth Sumpter is running
22 for re-election. Mayor Sumpter continued to work from
23 City Hall and there's an allegation he spoke to some
24 voters inside the poll area.
25 There's an allegation that Mayor Sumpter had been
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1 observed looking out of the window blinds in his office to
2 observe voters in the poll area. There's an allegation a
3 voter named Willie Laine, a 93-year-old, told someone when
4 she voted her absentee ballot that she was not able to
5 vote for the people she wanted to vote for. At this time,
6 it is unknown that that occurred during this election or a
7 prior election.
8 There's an allegation when a voter named Rodney
9 Gordon came into vote that poll workers, Jackie Jenkins
10 and Cherry Smith, asked him who he was going to vote for.
11 The findings did not reveal any evidence to support
12 violations of Georgia Election Code in regards to any of
13 those allegations.
14 MR. DUFFEY: So, Ms. Ghazal, tell us about your
15 concerns.
16 MS. GHAZAL: So I -- I agree with the findings that
17 there was insufficient evidence to find a violation. But
18 I thought this might be a good opportunity to point out
19 that particularly in 20 -- we're coming up on 2023 when
20 we'll have more municipal elections. And best practices
21 would suggest that elections not be held in the offices
22 where officials who are up for re-election have to go to
23 do their daily job. It's -- it creates an appearance of
24 impropriety even if there is nothing that has been done
25 wrong.
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1 So having voters appear in the mayor's office to vote
2 for the office of mayor, creates a bit of a conflict of
3 interest. So I think -- I just wanted to, again, use the
4 opportunity of this forum to suggest to counties that they
5 find alternative polling locations that rather than the
6 offices of -- that are up for election that year. So if
7 -- if a county has a mayoral election, don't hold the
8 office -- don't hold the election in city hall. Hold it
9 in the -- in the courthouse or another location, if
10 possible. I understand that it may not be possible in
11 some locations. But just is better practice to make sure
12 that voters are not in the vicinity of the official who's
13 on the ballot. That's all. That's kind of my point here.
14 MR. DUFFEY: Is that something in our prerogative
15 that we could send out as a recommendation to the counties
16 along the lines of what you just said. Or is that
17 something that should come from the election division?
18 MS. GHAZAL: I think election division could -- could
19 send out a -- a directive that it's -- that simply it's --
20 it's a best practice. Recognizing that in -- in small
21 communities, it may not be possible. But it is -- it is
22 an advisory -- just -- just as an advice. I think we
23 probably would be the best. Because when we -- I don't
24 think it necessarily lends itself to rule making because
25 we don't know in 159 counties what facilities 159 counties
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1 have available to them.
2 MR. DUFFEY: Could I ask you to draft a letter for us
3 to send to Mr. Evans with that recommendation --
4 MS. GHAZAL: Yes.
5 MR. DUFFEY: -- and the reasoning for the
6 recommendation. And say that it was generally as a result
7 of this complaint. And ask him to do whatever is, you
8 know, is customary out of his office to -- to make those
9 sort of recommendations to the counties.
10 MS. GHAZAL: Yes, sir. I'd be happy to.
11 MR. DUFFEY: Great.
12 MS. GHAZAL: Thanks.
13 MR. DUFFEY: Anybody else have any comments?
14 Questions? Yes.
15 MR. LINDSEY: If I may. When you said there's --
16 there wasn't any evidence to support the violations, did
17 the -- did you -- did you all speak to the complainant
18 who, basically, made the allegation? Did they have
19 firsthand knowledge or was this simply something that they
20 heard from somebody else? I guess, that's what -- my
21 question is no evidence. I'm sort of --
22 MR. ARCHIE: This is actually one of my cases also.
24 MR. ARCHIE: The witnesses -- the primary witness did
25 not want to get involved. They wanted to remain
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1 anonymous.
2 MR. LINDSEY: All right.
3 MR. ARCHIE: And that's why it was hard for me to
4 prove any of the allegations.
5 MR. LINDSEY: Okay. But there is a -- did you talk
6 to the mayor to find out whether he was, in fact, in -- in
7 the city hall. Because I know, you know, that one day out
8 of the year that he shouldn't be in there, that's the day
9 of re-election if that's where the election is taking
10 place.
11 MR. ARCHIE: He said he would stop there during the
12 day, but he would go straight to his office. And he said
13 on election day he didn't go to city hall.
14 MR. LINDSEY: Okay. I mean, that's --
15 MR. ARCHIE: He denied the allegation.
16 MR. LINDSEY: Okay. So he, basically, denied the
17 allegation.
18 MR. ARCHIE: Yeah.
19 MR. LINDSEY: You know, because I just -- I mean, if
20 it is held at city hall, the mayor shouldn't show up that
21 day or the city council shouldn't show up that day. That
22 sort of goes without question. Thank you.
23 MS. GHAZAL: It's hard when you have three weeks of
24 early voting.
25 MR. LINDSEY: Thank you. That -- that makes, yeah, I
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1 didn't think about that.
2 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Dr. Johnston.
3 DR. JOHNSTON: So is there a move to continue that
4 case? Or you just wanted to make a comment?
5 MS. GHAZAL: I just wanted to make a comment. I -- I
6 agree with the recommendation that it be dismissed.
7 MR. DUFFEY: All right. So let's -- so on this case,
8 is there a motion to dismiss the complaint?
9 MR. LINDSEY: Mr. Chairman, there's somebody...
10 MR. DUFFEY: Well, first of all, are you a
11 complainant?
12 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: (Inaudible)
13 MR. DUFFEY: Well, because this case is -- so let me
14 -- before you speak, as I've explained to others, in cases
15 where a determination is made that it be dismissed because
16 there's not sufficient allegation to move forward. We
17 cannot allow a complainant to speak because the
18 complainant is the one who initiates the action is
19 supposed to have given us everything that we needed to
20 know to make a determination on how to process it. And,
21 in fact, we have been pretty generous with people that
22 want to add information to their complaints after they
23 file it for us to consider and so as far as we're
24 concerned, a complainant in this case has had sufficient
25 opportunity to present whatever they have for us to make a
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1 decision.
2 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Right. The letter that we received
3 said we could come and speak if we wish to speak.
4 MR. DUFFEY: All right.
5 MR. MASHBURN: (Inaudible)
6 MR. DUFFEY: I'm -- I'm sorry. The letter that you
7 received said what?
8 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: This is on the campaign
9 obstruction.
10 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: 183.
11 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: 183.
12 MR. DUFFEY: Well, we're not to 183, are we?
13 MR. LINDSEY: Not there.
14 MR. DUFFEY: We're not -- we're not talking about
15 183.
16 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thank you.
17 MR. DUFFEY: Okay. So with respect to case number
18 2021-153, involving the city of Fort Gaines, problems with
19 the poll location. Is there a motion?
20 MS. GHAZAL: I move that we dismiss the case.
23 MR. DUFFEY: It's been moved and seconded to dismiss
24 case 2021-153. Is there any discussion?
25 (No response)
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1 MR. DUFFEY: There being none. All those in favor of
2 dismissing the case say aye?
5 (No response)
6 MR. DUFFEY: The case is dismissed. Do you have
7 another case?
8 MS. GHAZAL: I have two other cases.
10 MS. GHAZAL: Tab 19, SEB 2021-166, Fulton County
11 handicap accessibility.
12 MR. DUFFEY: Can you summarize that for us, Ms. Koth?
13 MS. KOTH: On 11/4/2021, the Georgia State -- Georgia
14 Secretary of State's Office received a complaint from
15 Raymond Sharpton who stated Fulton County denied him the
16 right to vote during the November 2nd, 2021 election in
17 Fulton County. The complainant is handicapped and has to
18 use a wheelchair and was unable to gain access to a voting
19 poll inside Fulton County.
20 The description of the violation is as follows: He
21 is retired, has no car and uses a wheelchair. He spent
22 hours using Marta to get there and when he went there. He
23 went to Sarah Smith to vote this morning. He got off
24 Marta to find all the doors to the school locked and no
25 obvious voting there. He said the signs were confusing
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1 and they told him to go to Peachtree Methodist Church. He
2 heard that a few people had voted at the Sarah Smith
3 today. When he discovered that they had moved voting to
4 the rear of the school, the poll workers and poll manager
5 seemed oblivious that the sign was confusing to voters.
6 And disclaimed any responsibility for the sign.
7 The combination of the big sign at the normal
8 entrance to Sarah Smith, the move of the voting location
9 at the school and the significantly reduced signage of
10 where to vote, he thought was a mess. He was exhausted
11 trying to get to Peachtree Methodist Church only to be
12 turned away. He couldn't and he did not vote.
13 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Ms. Koth -- I mean, not you,
14 Ms. Koth, Ms. Ghazal, correct. Ms. Ghazal.
15 MS. GHAZAL: Yes. Thank you. I was consulting with
16 the Attorney General's Office. I actually -- here we go
17 -- in addition to the potential federal ADA violation,
18 there is also a state statute that requires that all of
19 our polling places are accessible for handicapped persons
20 and I -- I actually believe there may have been a
21 violation in this case. And as -- as in the previous case
22 where Fulton County has not been given full notice and
23 opportunity to respond here, I move that we continue this
24 case to give Fulton County the opportunity to -- to review
25 this and provide a response.
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1 MR. DUFFEY: Any other discussion?
2 MR. LINDSEY: Yes, Mr. Chairman, same question that I
3 had before. You said, potential violation, none. I'm
4 trying to figure out why there's no potential violation,
5 given the allegation?
6 MS. KOTH: It said that the investigator spoke to
7 Nadine Williams. She emailed the investigator her
8 findings of the incident. And that he was unable to find
9 any evidence that Fulton County violated any election
10 laws. They had proper signage posted at Sarah Smith
11 voting site.
12 A response from Fulton County explained the location
13 and the change of voting sites, Fulton County stated the
14 following: Please see attached the template of the
15 signage that was placed at Sarah Smith. The signs were
16 4x4 and were placed per SEB 202 guidelines for sites
17 involving a polling place change.
18 They had monitors in place to assist voters in
19 finding the polling site on the SOS MyVoter page. Poll
20 managers are also instructed and provided exterior arrow
21 signs directing voters to the voting space. Although the
22 sign advises 07A, voters they are able to vote at Sarah
23 Smith where the sign was placed. They said they will
24 attempt to revise the design to avoid any confusion. The
25 investigator tried numerous times to get ahold of the
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1 complainant and could not get ahold of for any further
2 information.
3 MS. GHAZAL: I guess my question here is probably is
4 -- is -- was the location where voting actually took place
5 accessible for somebody in a wheelchair? That was not
6 entirely clear to me from the -- from the facts presented.
7 MR. LINDSEY: Well, you know, are you -- if I may?
8 Are you asking about 7A?
9 MS. GHAZAL: Yes.
10 MR. LINDSEY: And United Methodist Church?
11 MS. GHAZAL: Yes.
12 MR. LINDSEY: I can -- I can testify to that because
13 that's my polling place. And yes it is --
14 MS. GHAZAL: It is.
15 MR. LINDSEY: -- all on the same floor. And it is
16 accessible. And the question is whether or not these
17 other allegations are true or not. And it sounds like you
18 all weren't able to -- to get him to respond to -- to the
19 inquiry? Is that the problem?
20 MS. KOTH: Yes. They tried to get -- they tried to
21 email him and -- and call him. They couldn't get a
22 statement from him. They were trying to get more
23 information, but when they went out there, the signs were
24 fine. I'm not sure if they did a polling site that day --
25 MR. DUFFEY: Well, he -- didn't it say that he -- I
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1 mean, Sarah Smith used to be my polling place until they
2 moved it to Peachtree Road United Methodist Church.
3 MR. LINDSEY: We have the same one.
4 MR. DUFFEY: And if you -- when he went to Peachtree
5 Road after the effort to get there, they told him that was
6 the wrong place. And if you had all these people that
7 were at the polling place at Sarah Smith that were
8 supposed to be helping people. What -- how could they
9 have referred him to Peachtree Road when he goes there he
10 finds out that that's not where he's supposed to be. He
11 has to be back at Sarah Smith. None of this makes sense
12 to me.
13 And -- and because I know the back of Sarah Smith, I
14 don't know how accessible that was. Because the parking
15 for Sarah Smith is in front of the school. Parking along
16 the road has been blocked -- has always been blocked off
17 because it looks like a -- looks like a sidewalk, I don't
18 know if it is or not, but then you have to go up a fairly
19 steep hill to go to the back of the school if, in fact,
20 that's where the polling place was. So I have the same
21 concerns that you do. That there's -- that this -- we
22 ought to do more to investigate this. Especially when
23 somebody didn't get a chance to vote.
24 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah. I agree. Like I said, Sara
25 Smith is problematic with other -- the church -- I am, you
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1 know, I -- I will second your motion.
3 MR. MASHBURN: I -- I just -- I just have a thought.
4 Now, that the Chair has worked so hard to actually get us
5 letterhead, thank you for doing that, the Board previously
6 had no way to communicate through the mail until Judge
7 Duffey set that up so thank you for that. Can the -- can
8 the Board as a board send a letter to this complainant and
9 say if you don't assist with the investigation, your
10 complaint stands at risk of being dismissed?
11 MR. DUFFEY: Well, we do and we should. But did
12 anybody every go to his house to talk to him? Or was
13 it --
14 MS. KOTH: Yes.
15 MR. DUFFEY: Or was it just by email?
16 MS. KOTH: Yes, they did. They could hear the TV on,
17 but nobody came to the door.
18 MR. DUFFEY: Well, we don't know who that was,
19 though.
20 MS. KOTH: No.
21 MR. DUFFEY: But I just think where somebody did not
22 have a chance to vote and I will say that I'm bringing my
23 personal knowledge of these two voting places, it's easy
24 at Peachtree Road because it is all on the same level.
25 And it's -- and it's about as handicapped accessible. But
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1 they -- he was told he wasn't supposed to be there and
2 that he had to go back to Sarah Smith.
3 And the description is about having all these
4 monitors in place to assist voters in finding their
5 polling place. And here's a fellow in a wheelchair never
6 got pointed to the back of the school where -- because he
7 was where he was supposed to be. But never got to the
8 place within the place where he was supposed to be to
9 vote. And I think we ought to do some more research on
10 this. And I like the idea of sending a -- and a more
11 official looking letter telling him that. And then if he
12 doesn't do it, we can put back on the calendar for
13 February and dismiss it if we can't get further
14 information from the complainant.
15 MR. LINDSEY: Move to continue, Mr. Chairman.
17 MR. DUFFEY: Is there is -- okay. It's been moved
18 and seconded to continue this case to February with a
19 letter to go to the complainant inviting him to provide
20 more information or to meet with the investigators. And
21 if he doesn't that his complaint would be dismissed at the
22 February meeting. All those in favor say aye?
25 (No response)
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1 MR. DUFFEY: It passes.
2 MS. GHAZAL: Two -- two more.
3 MR. DUFFEY: So -- so do I get credit for being --
4 for multi-tasking to not only chairing meetings, but also
5 to creating stationery?
6 THE BOARD MEMBERS: Yes.
7 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah you get credit and we'll double
8 your salary.
9 MR. MASHBURN: I just gave you public credit, so,
10 yes.
11 MR. DUFFEY: Well, thank you.
12 MR. MASHBURN: I'm very pleased with it.
13 MR. DUFFEY: Next.
14 MS. GHAZAL: Tab 23, SEB case 2021-175.
15 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Can you summarize that for
16 us, Ms. Koth?
17 MS. KOTH: Yes. Oh, sorry, the wrong tab. The
18 complainant observed Penton Fleming take out his cell
19 phone while he was inside of the enclosed space. It
20 appeared to them he was taking a photograph of his ballot.
21 They were not able to confirm that Mr. Fleming took a
22 photograph. Penton Fleming chose not to answer questions
23 related to the investigation during our telephone
24 interview.
25 MS. GHAZAL: In this case, I believe that the facts
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1 strongly indicate that the voter took photographs not only
2 of the ballot, but also of the equipment. I do not
3 recommend referring this to the Attorney General's Office.
4 But I do believe that a letter of instruction is advisable
5 sent directly from the Board to the voter. Advising him
6 that this activity is prohibited by state law, and it
7 cannot be conducted at a polling place.
8 While I understand that -- that the evidence is -- is
9 not sufficient for referral to the AG's office, it's
10 strongly indicative of -- of voter ignoring instructions
11 directly from the -- the poll manager and the poll worker.
12 And that's I think a letter of instruction is sufficient
13 to -- to ensure that the voter's aware of -- of his
14 responsibilities and behavior.
15 So I -- I move to send a letter of instruction to the
16 voter in this case.
18 MR. DUFFEY: It's been moved and seconded to send a
19 letter of instruction to this complainant along the lines
20 outlined by Ms. Ghazal. Is there any discussion?
21 (No response)
22 MR. DUFFEY: All right. All those in favor of the
23 motion say aye?
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1 (No response)
2 MR. DUFFEY: The motion passes. A letter of
3 instruction will be sent.
4 MS. GHAZAL: I have one more case.
5 MR. DUFFEY: That's all right.
6 MS. GHAZAL: And with my apologies.
7 MR. DUFFEY: There's no reason to apologize, this is
8 our job.
9 MR. LINDSEY: You've got a winning record so far.
10 MS. GHAZAL: Tab 26, SEB 2022-002, city of Nicholls.
11 MR. DUFFEY: And can you summarize that for us,
12 Ms. Koth?
13 MS. KOTH: It was reported that there were incidents
14 of non-resident voting. Voting with a fake address and
15 allegations that the elected mayor didn't reside within
16 the city limits. The complaint also includes an
17 allegation that there were early votes placed by people
18 outside the city. The complaint alleges that one
19 candidate paid for coffee for an elector if they came with
20 his or her voting sticker and took a photo with him. They
21 could then take their voting sticker to a local coffee
22 shop and would receive a free cup of coffee or a snow
23 cone.
24 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Ms. Ghazal?
25 MS. GHAZAL: We are privy to the investigation files
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1 that -- that are not public. And it became clear to me
2 when I was reading the files here that the allegations
3 were not made in good faith. And I say that because there
4 was a specific allegation that a street address was a
5 fraudulent address being used by multiple people residing
6 there. When the investigator went, he discovered not only
7 was there an apartment building at this specific address.
8 But one of the complainants had previously lived at that
9 address.
10 So the complainant said it was a fraudulent address
11 knowing that that was not true. So I'm -- I wanted to
12 point out that -- I -- I wanted to discuss this a little
13 bit more openly because there are no repercussions, right
14 now, for complainants that are made in bad faith knowing
15 that the information that they're complaining to is false.
16 And they are, in fact, alleging that voters have conducted
17 illegal activity when they have not.
18 If they put that in writing, then it's potentially
19 libelous and I just -- this case made me upset. And I
20 wanted to -- to bring it out to discuss it. Because it is
21 a very serious thing to allege that a voter has committed
22 fraud. And when those allegations are not done in good
23 faith, when they are done for some other purpose to
24 undermine the outcome of an election, I believe that there
25 should be repercussions. And so I wanted to discuss it in
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1 -- in this session.
2 MR. DUFFEY: Anybody else have a comment along those
3 lines?
4 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah. If I may, Mr. Chairman,
5 unfortunately we've seen a pattern of this. This is not
6 the first time that we've seen something like this. We've
7 seen other situations in which complaints have been made
8 and upon investigation the voter acted totally
9 appropriately. And it showed either a -- either a willing
10 -- willingness on behalf of the complainant to -- to file
11 a false complaint or a -- a failure of their part to do
12 any -- any kind of minimal investigation before filing a
13 complaint.
14 And I believe there's even a lawsuit as a result of
15 one of those. I don't know what the answer is in terms of
16 -- of, you know, on one side we want people who see
17 something that -- that is questionable to alert the
18 Secretary of State's Office to do an investigation. And
19 on the other side, we don't want to see a chilling effect
20 take place either against a particular voter or attempt to
21 question the validity of an election.
22 I -- I think it merits further investigation in terms
23 of what other states do. I'm sure other states have faced
24 similar issues. Georgia has -- I don't believe has any
25 such law that deals with complaints that are filed in bad
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1 faith. But I do think something needs to be done because
2 we are seeing a pattern of conduct taking place. And --
3 and I -- and I share in your concerns. I'm not sure what
4 the answer is though, to be candid.
5 But I do think it probably merits us taking a look
6 perhaps before the next meeting in February to see what
7 kind of recommendations we would make to the -- to the
8 General Assembly while it's still in session.
9 MR. DUFFEY: Any other comments?
10 (No response.)
11 MR. DUFFEY: I have --
12 MR. LINDSEY: That said, Mr. Chairman, I move to
13 dismiss.
14 MR. DUFFEY: Well, let me have -- make my comment
15 before we move to the motion. I think we have two
16 responsibilities. One is to look at claims substantive
17 violations of the law or rules and to hold people
18 accountable when that happens. Which is generally what --
19 what we do. But I share the concern that there -- that
20 there are actually two types of people that -- that's
21 filed complaints which corrupt the system itself. And
22 those are people who make statements.
23 And I think there's a statement in our complaint --
24 if you file a complaint online which we're going to
25 require in the future. That you make it the penalty of
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1 perjury, although we don't make them swear so the question
2 is whether or not that's perjurious. And then there are a
3 number of people that just file complaints without a
4 scintilla of information that -- that shows that there is
5 anything even to investigate.
6 And both of those are unfair to the people and it's
7 -- it's not just for the people that are accused to have
8 to go through this process. Including coming down here to
9 see whether or not as a respondent they're going to be
10 sanctioned or their case is really going to be dismissed.
11 As you notice the -- the only way a case can be dismissed
12 is by us. There -- it's a recommendation that comes from
13 the investigator, but -- so even if they see that they're
14 on the lesser category doesn't mean that that's going to
15 happen.
16 So what would I do? I would come down and see if I
17 have to defend myself. You know, at least under federal
18 law if you file -- if you file a writing or make a
19 statement to a law enforcement investigator, that can be a
20 false official statement for which there's a criminal
21 consequence. I don't know, Charlene, whether there's
22 anything simply files a complaint with a state agency, and
23 that that complaint is untrue whether there is -- maybe
24 that's something that we can look at to see what a remedy
25 might be for someone who does that.
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1 Okay. So I wholly endorse that --
3 MR. DUFFEY: -- at least begin looking at people to
4 maintain the integrity of the complaint making process.
5 And -- and -- and to protect the reputations of people who
6 are unjustly accused of something requiring them to go
7 through this process which regrettably takes longer than
8 it should so that they live under the cloud of that until
9 it's disposed of.
10 So I think that we ought to put that as an item for
11 the next agenda in February and that we with Ms. McGowan's
12 assistance to see what our -- what the alternatives are
13 available to us to hold somebody responsible. Until then,
14 I'm inclined to send a letter by the Board to these
15 particular complainants.
16 I'll have to go through and work with Ms. Koth to see
17 where it is that somebody made something that was specific
18 enough to have been false or allegedly false and just say
19 that -- that the responsibility in filing a complaint is
20 to be truthful. That they told us when they filed it that
21 they were truthful.
22 But there are just -- there are facts that are
23 apparently in direct contradiction which would show that
24 they're -- that they may not be truthful, at least tell
25 them that they have to be careful of -- but that we elect
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1 not to take any specific action at this time. Is that
2 acceptable to everybody?
3 THE BOARD MEMBERS: (collectively) Yes, Mr. Chairman.
5 MR. MASHBURN: So do we need to dispose of that by
6 motion?
7 MR. LINDSEY: I think the dismissal --
8 MR. MASHBURN: (Inaudible)
9 MR. LINDSEY: -- yeah. So we still need to dismiss
10 it.
11 MR. DUFFEY: And you've made the motion, correct?
12 MR. LINDSEY: Yes, Mr. Chairman.
13 MR. DUFFEY: Has it been seconded?
16 (No response)
17 MR. DUFFEY: All those in favor of dismissing case
18 number 2022-002, say aye?
21 (No response)
22 MR. DUFFEY: It carries, and it is dismissed.
23 MR. LINDSEY: I have one, Mr. Chairman.
24 MR. DUFFEY: So you're done?
25 MS. GHAZAL: (No verbal response.)
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1 MR. DUFFEY: Okay. Well, let me say it this
2 Ms. Ghazal. It's -- I -- I think that in a short period
3 of time we've begun to see patterns of the things where we
4 see things that aren't necessarily violations. But I
5 think it's our responsibility to do what you did today.
6 And I -- I thank you for doing that which is to begin
7 looking at the system as a whole. And trying to improve
8 it not necessarily by acting on a specific complaint. And
9 I appreciate that very much. You know, we'll do more of
10 that in 2023. Mr. Lindsey?
11 MR. LINDSEY: My understanding is that it was 183.
12 Was that it? Mr. Chairman, I would like for us to
13 individually take up case number 2021-183. I think it's
14 Tab 24, to give the folks who -- who received a letter
15 giving them an opportunity to come and speak. Give an
16 opportunity to speak, Mr. Chairman.
18 MR. LINDSEY: I would ask that we do so.
19 MR. DUFFEY: So let's have a summary first.
20 MS. KOTH: This complaint came in on 12/9/2021. We
21 received a complaint from Tommy Smith. The complainant
22 stated that the campaigning obstruction took place during
23 the November 30th, 2021 runoff election in Forest Park,
24 Georgia. The allegation is about the sign, the 150 foot
25 rule being violated. And that a sign of his had been
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1 covered up by the Mayor, Angeline Butler.
2 MR. DUFFEY: First, any comments from the Board on
3 this one?
4 (No response)
5 You know, I made a note that it looked to me that
6 while maybe not a specific -- specifically egregious case
7 that there probably was a basis to proceed with it. The
8 question is how we should proceed with it? Because, you
9 know, I think -- I think sometimes we don't give enough
10 credit to the reporting people.
11 And we say, well, you brought that to our attention,
12 but we need -- we always need corroborating evidence or
13 that somehow the evidence of the complainant themselves is
14 not sufficient. Where somebody complains and gives
15 specific information about conduct, I think we ought to at
16 least rather than saying, well, we don't have enough and
17 we're going to dismiss it. I think the trend that I see
18 here that we're taking is that we -- that we're -- there
19 has to be better communication by us to them that there
20 are -- that -- that there are concerns that we have as a
21 result of what we see.
22 We're -- we're not going to refer to the AG's office,
23 but we are going to bring to their attention that what
24 they did was -- should not ever happen again. And if it
25 does, then we will be cognizant if there was a previous
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1 violation. So before I make a motion, I'll wait to hear
2 from anybody else who wants to speak.
3 MR. LINDSEY: Like I said, Mr. Chairman, I -- I
4 believe that -- that this was the case that -- that our
5 friend out there --
6 MR. DUFFEY: I just want to make sure. Yeah. All
7 right. You may speak.
8 MR. SMITH: Thank you. On this election -- I had ???
9 She was with me for every bit of it. We went and put our
10 signs up outside the 150 foot boundary on the night prior.
11 And when we got there at 6:30 the next morning, Ms. Butler
12 had completely covered my signs up and kept going past the
13 150 mark. We complained about it and the superintendent
14 just come over and took the sign from one side of the
15 street to the other side of the street.
16 I don't know where everybody went to school, but 150
17 feet is 150 feet. It doesn't change. And, of course,
18 there was a confrontation. The police department was
19 called and there was a report made. And this -- this
20 continues to happen in Forest Park over and over and over.
21 And nothing's ever done. And you're going to wind up with
22 the same thing happening over and over if something's not
23 done. I would like to call my witness Dr. Wanda. She was
24 there every bit of the way.
25 DR. WANDA: Good morning, I'm still on morning time,
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1 Chair. I don't know if protocol is going to allow this,
2 but, of course, I was on this journey throughout. I
3 started out in the beginning; however, my choice and what
4 we stand for in the city of Forest Park was way beyond
5 what we saw on this particular morning.
6 As the Plaintiff said, we got out there early that
7 day. Then we returned that following morning to see that
8 Ms. Butler had placed all her material and her team in
9 front of Mr. Smith's, I guess you would say campaign
10 signs. So to get a track record of this, I called the PD
11 for that city which is Forest Park to come out. And if
12 you look in your report, you always -- also should see
13 pictures of the behavior that took place from an incumbent
14 at that present time. And what that sent was a bad
15 message when it comes to election.
16 We're always dealing with poll distance, 150 as Mr.
17 Smith said, 150 is just 150. But if you brought something
18 to the attention of that superintendent elect instead of
19 marking it correctly, they lifted up the sign and moved it
20 completely. I have never seen anything like this in my
21 life. And I'm here today to plead with you that at least
22 send this message back to Clayton County, the city of
23 Forest Park that this is just unacceptable. The burden of
24 proof is there. The pictures should be in the file. We
25 made sure that everything will prove what we're standing
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1 here today.
2 We used the chain of command to call our local public
3 service to come out, take a report. But when we get back
4 to the city, I can promise you and I hate to promise
5 something, we'll be back here 2023, I can guarantee.
6 Some of you are here back to you all. I just want to
7 enlight you just speedily what is going on and we are here
8 every other year for something of another. Somewhere we
9 have to stop this -- this is where the buck stops. Coming
10 here to say that we feel that our election is not being
11 ran correctly, fair.
12 As constituents we have that right. Yes, we do have
13 our city attorney here. But at the end of the day we the
14 tax payers and we're not always wrong because we pay your
15 taxes to pay you. But we come out and be the victim at
16 the end when we are the constituents that trying to
17 regulate the right policy. The law is the law. And if
18 you abide by the law this should never come up where
19 another candidate should have an incumbent place signs in
20 front of his or move it. So I yield back unless my
21 colleague here has something to add. So thank you all so
22 much.
23 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you. And you are who?
24 MR. WILLIAMS: Mr. Chairman, my name is Michael
25 Williams. I'm the city attorney. I'm here representing
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1 the city clerk in her capacity as the Election
2 Superintendent. I'm certainly not here to speak to any of
3 the, you know, election exuberance or any of the behavior
4 that the campaign between each other. I'm here to speak
5 to the facts that were investigated by your investigator.
6 The -- the fundamental issue that's stated was
7 whether or not a 150 foot rule was violated. Your
8 investigator went out. Went to the site and determined
9 that the allegation was untrue. It's as simple as that.
10 And so we would just humbly urge you to follow the
11 recommendation of your investigator who was on the site to
12 investigate, who interviewed all the witnesses. And
13 determined that the allegation at heart was untrue.
14 MR. DUFFEY: Well, wasn't there -- didn't I hear that
15 what happened was that somebody had moved the sign from
16 one location to another location?
17 MR. WILLIAMS: That -- and that was determined to be
18 untrue by the investigator.
19 MR. LINDSEY: Tab 24, case number 2021-183.
20 MR. DUFFEY: You may be seated.
21 MR. LINDSEY: If I may, Mr. Chairman?
22 MR. DUFFEY: Yes.
23 MR. LINDSEY: The -- the struggle that I'm having
24 here is trying to figure out under the election law what
25 was violated. And -- and, you know, I -- I've been
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1 through five, six, actually six different elections
2 myself. And -- and campaign signs are always a
3 contentious issue on -- in terms of -- of what takes
4 place. But I'm trying to figure out, you know, our -- our
5 jurisdiction lies with, you know, making sure that the
6 poll workers and the -- and the county election folks and
7 the candidates themselves at times operate within the
8 election law.
9 And I'm trying to figure out, you know, and I
10 understand the frustration that you have. You know, you
11 put up the signs the night before the election. And
12 somebody else comes along, you know, and either takes them
13 down or -- or -- or -- or puts their sign directly in
14 front of yours. It's -- it's a frustrating situation.
15 But I'm -- I'm not sure where -- I'm still struggling to
16 see where underneath the election law which is our narrow
17 jurisdiction. We don't have broad jurisdiction. As
18 opposed to, for instance, somebody committing criminal
19 trespass or someone doing one of those other things with
20 your signs.
21 I'm -- I'm just trying to figure what would -- where
22 underneath our narrow jurisdiction we have jurisdiction.
23 That -- that -- that -- that's my struggle. Not -- not
24 that I'm approving of anybody else's conduct and so I
25 guess I need to know what specifically you feel the poll
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1 manager or the election official in that did. That's my
2 -- that's my narrow concern here that I think that if you
3 can understand where I'm coming from.
4 MR. SMITH: The election superintendent was also the
5 city clerk which also is a conflict of interest because
6 she works for the city. She's superintendent of city
7 election. There's an ethics violation here I'm sure.
8 MR. MASHBURN: If I could interrupt -- if I could
9 interrupt. I appreciate you being here, and I appreciate
10 everybody. But I have very specific questions with very
11 specific answers and that is did anybody from the
12 complainant's side -- is anybody from the complainant's
13 side saying that the -- that the sign creating the 150
14 foot buffer was not 150 feet? Was it 150 feet? Or was it
15 not? Or do you know?
16 MR. SMITH: I don't know -- it was -- we went behind
17 the 150 foot sign when we put my banners up the night
18 before. We complained to the superintendent about the
19 people going past the 150 foot mark campaigning. She come
20 out there and moved the sign from one side of the street
21 to the other side of the street.
22 MR. MASHBURN: But if you don't know where 150 feet
23 is, you don't know whether the sign is inside 150 feet or
24 outside 150 feet, correct?
25 MR. SMITH: That's correct. All she said was she had
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1 a buffer. Well, I don't know where that buffer's at so
2 150 feet across the street or is across this street.
3 Nobody seen it.
4 DR. WANDA: If I may? I think I can shine a little
5 more light.
6 MR. DUFFEY: Look -- look this is not an evidentiary
7 hearing. I mean, we -- we send an investigator out to do
8 this and to get the information based upon the complaint.
9 We can't change the facts that the investigator found and
10 made their recommendation by having an evidentiary hearing
11 which is inconsistent or in addition to the information
12 that was submitted to us to make a decision. And if
13 there's no evidence that you -- that of what the 150 feet
14 was, it may be the only place to put a sign was 150 feet
15 from the polling place where the signs were actually put.
16 It's not like they were taken away and thrown away. They
17 were just put to a different location.
18 But what I -- I agree with -- with Mr. Mashburn which
19 is -- what is -- what evidence is there that -- that the
20 sign was moved for the purpose of making sure that you met
21 your obligation to be outside the 150 feet. And absent
22 you having gone out with a, you know, with a -- with a
23 tape measure, to say we're clearly outside the 150 feet
24 mark.
25 MR. SMITH: Well, she had a sign that said 150 foot
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1 no campaigning. We stayed inside that -- outside of that.
2 And then when we complained about the other candidates
3 going past the 150 foot mark, she came out there and just
4 moved it from one side of the street to the other side of
5 the street and said she had a buffer. Well, I don't know
6 if that's 150 feet over here, I don't know where your
7 buffer's at. She moved -- she specifically moved that no
8 campaigning sign from one side of the street to the other
9 side of the street. Just, no tape measure, no nothing and
10 just said she had a buffer. I don't know where that
11 buffer is.
12 MR. DUFFEY: And did she take down your signs or did
13 she leave them?
14 MR. SMITH: Sir?
15 MR. DUFFEY: Did she take down your signs?
16 MR. SMITH: She did not take down my signs. She
17 moved the no campaigning sign from one side of the street
18 to the other side of the street. So 150 --
19 MR. DUFFEY: But how are you aggrieved by that? If
20 your signs were where you wanted them?
21 MR. SMITH: My signs were there. But the mayor at
22 that time was a candidate came that morning and completely
23 put her tent over my signs completely covering them up.
24 Impeded my campaign completely. There was no possible way
25 you could see any of my stuff. They come out there --
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1 MR. DUFFEY: But everybody was outside the 150 feet,
2 correct?
3 MR. SMITH: -- and then she -- and then after that
4 she started campaigning outside -- inside the 150 foot
5 mark. That's when the superintendent come and moved it.
6 MR. DUFFEY: But the -- but the campaigning within
7 the 150 feet mark I don't think is part of your complaint.
8 MR. SMITH: The complaint was -- the way she -- the
9 ethics violation -- that she -- that she did by covering
10 up -- impeding my campaign. The superintendent --
11 MR. DUFFEY: Well, first of all, look, the -- the
12 rule is -- now that I know this more clearly, you can't
13 campaign within the 150 feet.
14 MR. SMITH: That's correct.
15 MR. DUFFEY: You put your signs outside 150 feet,
16 right?
17 MR. SMITH: (Inaudible) that's correct.
18 MR. DUFFEY: Then she put her signs so that your
19 signs couldn't be seen. But she was also outside the
20 150 feet?
22 MR. DUFFEY: Right. So everybody complied with the
23 150 foot rule. What you're complaining about is that she
24 was mean spirited and hid your signs?
25 MR. SMITH: That's correct. And then when we --
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1 MR. DUFFEY: So what's the -- tell me what's that in
2 violation of? What does that violate? What rule or
3 statute does that violate?
4 MR. SMITH: Well, I talked to one campaign person
5 that's here in Fulton County said it was an ethics
6 violation. But --
7 MR. DUFFEY: But we're not an ethics --
8 MR. SMITH: -- the superintendent moved --
9 MR. DUFFEY: We're not an ethics commission. We are
10 the Board that has defined authorities.
11 MR. SMITH: I agree.
12 MR. DUFFEY: And what I hear you saying is,
13 basically, you're concerned about her unethical behavior,
14 right?
15 MR. SMITH: Well, that and the superintendent moving
16 the 150 foot mark.
17 MR. DUFFEY: But that didn't impact you; did it? I
18 mean, if that's our -- if that was a 150 feet even though
19 it was in a different location, your signs that you wanted
20 to be put up were put up in the place where you wanted
21 them.
23 MR. DUFFEY: And, in fact, that once she put up a new
24 marker, you could have put another set of signs over
25 outside the new boundary. But you didn't do that; did
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1 you?
2 MR. SMITH: I couldn't do that because the street --
3 the street's impeding that.
4 MR. DUFFEY: You mean, because it was in the middle
5 of the street?
6 MR. SMITH: What it is there is a vacant lot here and
7 this -- the 150 foot mark was here (indicating) and she
8 come out here and moved it across the street because the
9 city board built them. So the street was impeding that
10 150 foot mark.
11 MR. DUFFEY: So did any -- did anybody have -- well,
12 the fact that there's a street, I don't think if it's --
13 if you -- if they put a marker even though there might be
14 a street between the place where the marker is and where
15 the polling place is. I don't think that that means that
16 you can't designate 150 feet across a street. Did anybody
17 put campaign signs at the -- at the new boundary marker?
18 MR. SMITH: No.
19 MR. DUFFEY: So we're back to your complaint which is
20 that somebody who was not very nice hid your signs with
21 their signs?
22 MR. SMITH: In a word, yes.
23 MR. DUFFEY: And that, in your mind, is an ethical
24 violation?
25 MR. SMITH: At least that.
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1 MR. DUFFEY: Well --
2 MR. SMITH: But I -- I don't --
3 MR. DUFFEY: I mean there's --
4 MR. SMITH: The thing about it is if you mark 150
5 feet off, it doesn't change. When you start complaining
6 about somebody going past the 150 foot mark, and you just
7 come out there and move that 150 foot mark, well, where's
8 -- where's the 150 foot mark? Is it here (indicating) or
9 is it here (indicating)?
10 MR. DUFFEY: It's a 150 feet around the whole polling
11 place. That's --
12 MR. SMITH: That's correct. So she's telling me that
13 it changed during the campaign.
14 MR. DUFFEY: But they didn't take down your signs,
15 sir. I mean, your signs were still there. Your complaint
16 is that somebody hid your signs with their signs, right?
17 MR. SMITH: That and evidently, they don't know how
18 to read a tape measure. Because my complaint is -- part
19 of it is how does a 150 feet change? I mean, if you
20 marked off 150 feet the night before and you complain that
21 people are going past it and you come and move that 150
22 mark ten feet in, then it's not 150 feet anymore; it's
23 140.
24 MR. DUFFEY: Can you help me?
25 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's how -- that's how we feel --
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1 MR. LINDSEY: But -- but -- but the problem -- the
2 problem is, like I said, it gets back to -- we have very
3 limited jurisdiction. And, like I said, if someone is
4 messing with your signs, that's possible theft, possible
5 trespass, that sort of thing. Although both of them are
6 sitting on public property so I don't -- not even sure if
7 that qualifies. And the fact of the matter is and this is
8 someone a former elected official, I've seen situations
9 where people put a sign up, their opponent puts two signs
10 on both sides of him. And then that person goes back and
11 puts two signs on the outside. It's a -- it's -- it's a
12 frustrating game that takes place for people trying to --
13 to win a serious office.
14 The -- the -- the problem comes in here where I just
15 haven't seen we're within our narrow jurisdiction. I'm
16 not necessarily -- I'm not saying what -- what was done to
17 you was right. I'm simply saying what this Board, within
18 our narrow jurisdiction, I just can't see where anything
19 that we have power over we could do anything about it. I
20 mean, I just want to make sure you understand that and
21 it's frustrating to you. You're going to be frustrated
22 with -- with that answer, but I'm afraid that that
23 probably is the only answer that -- that we have right
24 now.
25 MR. DUFFEY: Anybody else?
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1 (No response)
2 MR. DUFFEY: Is there a motion on this?
3 MR. MASHBURN: I'll -- I'll make the motion that I
4 appreciate the complainant's concerns, but the burden of
5 proof as to where the 150 foot sign was placed has not
6 been met by the complainant's side. And so without the
7 first fact that we got to know in a 150 foot case is where
8 is 150 feet? And the complainant said he didn't know
9 whether the sign was marked at 150 feet or not. So if the
10 complainant can't establish the 150 foot marker, then we
11 have no basis to go forward on the 150 foot case. So I
12 move that it be dismissed.
16 (No response)
17 MR. DUFFEY: All those in favor say aye?
20 (No response)
21 MR. DUFFEY: The case is dismissed. Does anybody
22 else want to discuss any of these cases specifically?
23 DR. JOHNSTON: Yes, I do.
24 MR. DUFFEY: What -- what Tab number, please.
25 DR. JOHNSTON: I think Tab number 3.
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1 MR. DUFFEY: Okay. Tab number 8 which is --
2 DR. JOHNSTON: Three.
3 MR. LINDSEY: Three, Mr. Chairman.
4 MR. DUFFEY: Three.
5 DR. JOHNSTON: Three.
6 MR. DUFFEY: Which is case 2020-225.
7 DR. JOHNSTON: 225.
8 MR. DUFFEY: Okay.
9 MS. KOTH: On 11/5/2020 the Georgia Office of the
10 Secretary of State Investigations Division received
11 several complaints regarding public viewing, the receiving
12 of absentee ballots, and public notification of the 2020
13 primary election audit of votes in Henry County. The
14 complaints are as follows: 1) John P. Herring, complaint
15 regarding public viewing, chain of custody for ballots,
16 and after hour voting. 2) Peter Christian reported
17 complaints of public viewing. So did Dylan Kalos, Karris
18 Ripple. And then number 5) is Jennifer Campbell reported
19 receiving four absentee ballots, 6) Bob Jessup reported
20 not -- he was not notified regarding the Henry County
21 November 2nd, 2020 general election audit.
22 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Dr. Johnston.
23 DR. JOHNSTON: So I -- so my question is were -- were
24 the complainants contacted?
25 MR. DUFFEY: Ask the -- Ms. Koth.
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1 MS. KOTH: It doesn't specifically say, but I would
2 -- I will double check on that. But he's very thorough.
3 DR. JOHNSTON: And were the -- were the election
4 workers contacted to respond regarding your -- their views
5 on public viewing?
6 MS. KOTH: I'm sorry. What was that question?
7 DR. JOHNSTON: So were the -- was the election
8 department contacted to ask about its policy of public
9 viewing?
10 MS. KOTH: The report doesn't specify that.
11 DR. JOHNSTON: And I -- and I was unclear how House
12 Bill 267 applied to this complaint.
13 MR. DUFFEY: What is House Bill 267?
14 DR. JOHNSTON: House Bill 267 relates to applications
15 for absentee ballots determination of eligibility for
16 furnishing these applications to colleges and
17 universities.
18 MR. DUFFEY: Anything else on this?
19 (No response)
20 MR. DUFFEY: Any other Board members have a comment
21 about the complaint?
22 DR. JOHNSTON: I just question since there were --
23 there were four complaints that -- that it may be an
24 attempt to contact these complainants. I just -- I could
25 not see where that had been addressed.
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1 MS. GHAZAL: Judge, on reviewing this, I do have one
2 question. One of the complaints suggested that a voter,
3 J. Campbell, received four ballots. Was that
4 substantiated?
5 MS. KOTH: It says the ballots she received were all
6 postmarked on December 20th, 2020. That she couldn't
7 recall if she requested an absentee ballot.
8 MS. GHAZAL: That suggests to me that she did, in
9 fact, receive four separate ballots?
10 MS. KOTH: Uh-huh.
11 MS. GHAZAL: So if -- if -- if that is the case, I
12 move that we continue this case to look into that further
13 to find out exactly how it happened. And to give the --
14 the county an opportunity to respond.
18 (No response)
20 defer to February -- our February meeting, complaint
21 2020-225. Is there any further discussion?
22 (No response)
23 MR. DUFFEY: Not. All those in favor of the motion
24 say aye?
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2 (No response)
3 MR. DUFFEY: It carries. Next.
4 DR. JOHNSTON: All right. Case Number 288, Tab 4.
5 MR. DUFFEY: Ms. Koth, can you summarize that for us?
6 MS. KOTH: On December 30th, 2020, Greene County
7 Election Supervisor, Kathlene Mayors, reported that voter,
8 Taylor Williams, voted in person on December 28th, 2020
9 during early voting. Williams had been issued an absentee
10 ballot by mail and canceled the ballot when voting in
11 person. On December 29th, 2020 he voted absentee ballot
12 -- the voted absentee ballot was received via mail.
13 According to the canceled affidavit Williams indicated
14 that they had never received the ballot.
15 DR. JOHNSON: So the question here is: What is a
16 voter to do if the ballot is -- is sent and not received
17 or accepted by late in voting -- early voting period? And
18 the -- the wording of -- of educating poll workers that
19 they need to specifically ask and note whether the ballot
20 was received by the -- the ballot received by the voter or
21 received by the election office and by whom.
22 These are -- these are rather confusing scenarios,
23 and it highlights the vulnerability of the Friday to
24 Tuesday before the elections. At the end of early voting
25 till election day on Tuesday, the cross up of mail
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1 delivery and issues of ballots placed in drop boxes and
2 ballots not received. And the dilemma of whether a voter
3 who doesn't have credit or has not seen credit for their
4 vote, whether they risk a vote in person hoping that their
5 -- their ballot will be canceled or a violation of law by
6 double voting or taking -- taking the risk that they --
7 their vote just won't count if the ballot is permanently
8 lost in the mail.
9 So it's to me it's just that sort of mind the gap
10 warning for voters as far as putting a ballot in the mail
11 versus voting in person. And once it's in the mail, it's
12 sort of a point of no return in many situations. I -- I
13 recommend the case be dismissed. But I just wanted to
14 highlight the -- the issue of -- of voting by mail, early
15 voting, recording the votes and the dilemma if your -- if
16 your vote -- if you don't think your vote has been
17 received.
18 MR. DUFFEY: Is there a second to the motion to
19 dismiss?
21 MR. DUFFEY: It's been moved and dismissed (sic) that
22 case number 2020-288 be dismissed. Is there any further
23 discussion?
24 (No response)
25 MR. DUFFEY: There being none, all those in favor of
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1 dismissing this complaint say aye.
4 (No response)
5 MR. DUFFEY: The motion carries. Next.
6 DR. JOHNSTON: Case number 101.
7 MR. DUFFEY: What tab is that?
8 DR. JOHNSTON: Tab 5.
9 MS. KOTH: This is Morgan County poll issues.
10 DR. JOHNSTON: Morgan County poll issues.
11 MS. KOTH: The complaint alleges that there were
12 issues regarding poll workers not following proper
13 procedures in Precinct Six, Centennial Baptist Church.
14 They provided three issues that they believed
15 disenfranchised voters. The first one, the precinct poll
16 manager prevented effective public observation when the
17 poll manager resisted attempts from a NAACP representative
18 who was attempting to obtain the numbers of voters at that
19 precinct. They advised that they heard about other poll
20 watchers getting similar treatment and noted that the poll
21 manager had a negative attitude with voters.
22 Two, voters were not allowed to scan their ballots
23 into the machine due to an issue with the voter access
24 cards so they had to use emergency paper ballots. Due to
25 this, if a voter who accidentally marked multiple
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1 candidates on a singular race would not be alerted to the
2 error and could not correct it. They also noted that at
3 least one voter's vote did not count due to this. They
4 advised that they observed the poll manager later opened
5 the secure ballot box and scanned the paper ballots while
6 on site.
7 Third, in the West Morgan precinct while the cards
8 were not working, some voters voted on the BMDs, when the
9 poll manager used her supervisor card and manually entered
10 the ballot style. They advised that approximately 36
11 voters were then given the wrong ballot because of this.
12 DR. JOHNSTON: So -- so in -- in regards to the
13 allegations about poll watchers, O.C.G.A. 21-2-408 says
14 that poll watchers may be permitted behind the enclosed
15 space for the purpose of observing the conduct of the
16 election and counting and recording of votes. So I don't
17 -- so the point is poll watchers go through training and
18 should be instructed on proper procedure. But they are
19 entitled to be within the enclosed space and look at the
20 counts on the machines that include poll pad check in
21 numbers and BMD total numbers and scanner numbers while
22 not interfering with voters, the view of voter's ballots
23 or seeing personal information, identifying information.
24 I just wanted that to -- to be clear and maybe a letter of
25 instruction to this election office would be in order.
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1 The other question is: The duplicating -- allegation
2 number three, the duplication of ballots. In the
3 investigation, were -- was the duplication witnessed or
4 was it bi-partisan vote review panel utilized for the
5 duplication of these ballots?
6 MS. KOTH: I'm sorry. What was the question?
7 DR. JOHNSTON: In allegation number 3 about
8 duplicating ballots.
9 MS. KOTH: It said that 22 to 25 voter ballots to be
10 the wrong style so they could not be accepted to the
11 ballot scanner. This error was discovered and at the
12 direction of the Secretary of State's Office. The
13 precinct converted those ballots to the correct style and
14 were able to successfully scan them. The election
15 supervisor provided the poll workers with the correct
16 activation code which fixed the error.
17 DR. JOHNSTON: So --
18 MS. KOTH: They had the wrong activation code in the
19 beginning.
20 DR. JOHNSTON: My question would be: Were the -- the
21 poll workers that were duplicating the ballots, was that
22 witnessed?
23 MS. GHAZAL: Judge, I just wanted to note this was
24 the 2020 election, so this was conducted prior to the
25 passage of -- of Senate Bill 202. In which case
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1 duplication panels under the preexisting law were -- were
2 merely at the -- conducted by the county itself. So there
3 is -- there was no requirement at that point that it be
4 conducted with external monitors. That has changed and
5 that is necessary under current law. But under the law
6 that was in place when this took place, there -- there
7 would -- there was no requirement for party monitors for
8 that activity.
9 DR. JOHNSTON: Thank you. I -- I would request a
10 letter of instruction to Morgan County Election Department
11 regarding the poll watcher activity and -- and citing
12 21-2-408.
13 MR. DUFFEY: Well, what's the evidence that they
14 weren't allowed to do that? I mean, when somebody says
15 that they weren't allowed to watch. What does -- watch
16 what? And what -- so what do I tell them if I were to
17 write such a letter since there's no factual basis --
18 other than the fact that they objected to the viewing?
19 And they thought that one person had a negative attitude?
20 MS. KOTH: The investigator spoke to the -- the
21 elections director. And asked her about any issues
22 between poll managers and the poll watchers. And she said
23 that the one poll watcher had so many questions for poll
24 workers that she began to interfere with the work they
25 were performing. And that a Board member spoke with the
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1 poll watcher to let her know that she was interfering with
2 the election.
3 So for the findings of allegation 1, it said the poll
4 workers not providing the poll watcher with voter numbers
5 did not prevent the poll watcher from effectively
6 observing the election.
7 MR. MASHBURN: And I -- I seem to read that this poll
8 watcher that we -- well, this person we've been referring
9 to as a poll watcher, was from an outside group and not a
10 credentialed poll watcher. Am I -- am I right in that? I
11 understood it to be a representative of a group. But not
12 -- not a credentialed poll watcher.
13 MR. DUFFEY: That's what my understanding was.
14 MR. MASHBURN: And so -- they should -- that -- if
15 they're not a credentialed poll watcher, they should not
16 be within the enclosed space. And so I'm not even sure
17 they're entitled to have those numbers to be able to look
18 at. Although the number of people who have voted is
19 something that I frequently get whether or not
20 credentialed or not. And -- and it's an important public
21 number but I don't think if this wasn't a credentialed
22 person that their -- that their rights were violated, as a
23 -- as a non-credentialed third-party representative.
24 DR. JOHNSTON: That's a good point. Were these
25 credentialed poll watchers?
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1 MS. KOTH: No. They were --
2 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Public.
3 MS. KOTH: -- they should have been like an observer.
4 They use that term.
5 DR. JOHNSTON: So these were observers?
6 MS. KOTH: It should have said observer, sorry.
7 DR. JOHNSTON: Never mind. Then I would move we
8 dismiss this case.
11 MR. DUFFEY: It's been moved and seconded that case
12 number 2021-101 be dismissed. Is there any further
13 discussion?
14 (No response)
15 MR. DUFFEY: There being none. All those in favor
16 dismissing the case, please say aye?
19 (No response)
20 MR. DUFFEY: Motion carries. Next.
21 DR. JOHNSTON: Okay. Case 118, Tab 6.
22 MS. KOTH: This is multi-state voter registration.
23 The complainant reported voters having registered to vote
24 for years in Georgia and registered to vote in 2020 in New
25 York but still voted in Georgia.
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1 MR. DUFFEY: Comments?
2 DR. JOHNSTON: Comments. So there -- these are 22
3 cases of people that are registered to vote in two states.
4 In particular, registered in Georgia and New York. And
5 five of these cases indicate that the voter voted in New
6 York and then subsequently voted in Georgia. Which is a
7 -- seems to me a violation of Georgia law. Once you vote
8 in another state, you're -- you're canceled, your
9 residency is canceled in Georgia.
10 So out of these 22 cases, it seems to me that there's
11 a violation of 21-2-217. And so I would like these to be
12 investigated further. In order -- in order to register in
13 New York, the applicant claims -- has one of the
14 requisites for registering in New York is to claim -- not
15 claim the right to vote elsewhere. So when a person is
16 already registered in Georgia and then vote -- and
17 registers to vote in New York, they're -- they're claiming
18 that they don't have the right to vote anywhere else and
19 it actually asks that on the New York voter registration
20 form. But once a person votes in another state, their --
21 their residency status in Georgia is canceled and they are
22 no longer an eligible voter. But these five individuals
23 voted after -- voted in Georgia by absentee after they had
24 previously voted in New York.
25 MR. LINDSEY: I have a question, Mr. Chairman. In
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1 reference to Dr. Johnston's point, did they -- did the --
2 they -- they vote in New York but they registered in
3 Georgia at once -- I'm guessing, at one point were voters
4 in Georgia then went to New York, registered in New York.
5 Voted in New York. Did their -- did they come back to
6 Georgia and register in Georgia again? Or was it simply
7 did they try to use -- utilize their old registration in
8 Georgia? That's -- am I making my question clear?
9 MR. DUFFEY: Yeah. That's not clear. I'll --
10 MR. LINDSEY: I want to know whether or not that they
11 -- they then came back to Georgia, moved back to Georgia
12 and registered again in Georgia, or not? That's my
13 question.
14 MR. DUFFEY: Well, my motion is that we with -- that
15 we remove this from the -- from the agenda and consider it
16 in February. Because it does need more investigation to
17 summarize what this is. I'll just take one example, that
18 Mr. Zeb (ph) registered to vote in Georgia in 2019 and
19 last voted as absentee on November 3rd of 2020 but the
20 month before that he registered to vote in New York. And
21 the question that we've always had in these cases is: When
22 does their residency change? It's not necessarily what
23 you claim in New York. But it's unclear to me that
24 somebody who registers in New York and then does an
25 absentee ballot in November --
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2 MR. DUFFEY: Have they really -- where are they a
3 resident? And where are they allowed to vote because they
4 registered now in two -- two states?
5 MR. LINDSEY: Yeah. Well, and -- and -- and my
6 understanding of the law -- where's my attorney general?
7 MR. DUFFEY: She's hiding over there, I think.
8 MR. LINDSEY: My -- my understanding of the law is
9 that once you register in another state, your registration
10 in this state is supposed to be -- to be wiped out. Isn't
11 that -- you can't be registered in two different states.
12 MR. DUFFEY: Well, the question is --
13 MR. LINDSEY: (Inaudible).
14 MR. DUFFEY: -- it needs more -- it needs more --
15 MR. LINDSEY: Let me -- let me put it this way --
16 MR. MASHBURN: If I could? I was a complainant in
17 the case so I have particular knowledge of this. What the
18 Board has traditionally done is if you are registered and
19 voted in another state --
21 MR. MASHBURN: -- and then came to Georgia. And
22 registered in Georgia, but you still had that lingering
23 registration that you just didn't -- didn't cancel. The
24 Board has not find a violation there.
25 MR. LINDSEY: Oh, I understand that.
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1 MR. MASHBURN: And -- and -- and deemed you a Georgia
2 voter. Even though you -- you should not be registered in
3 two places. To me these are different because they're a
4 long time in Georgia and they're doing both -- they're
5 doing both at the same time.
6 MR. LINDSEY: That's my point.
7 MR. MASHBURN: And so it's very different than the
8 ones we've dismissed in the past.
9 MR. LINDSEY: No, no. I'm agreeing with you --
11 MR. LINDSEY: -- that's --
13 MR. LINDSEY: For that reason, you know, I guess,
14 maybe a little bit more investigation. I do agree that
15 let's continue this and have a little more investigation
16 because --
17 DR. JOHNSTON: Well, the fact of the matter is you
18 cannot be a resident in two states.
19 MR. LINDSEY: Correct.
21 MR. DUFFEY: That's correct.
22 DR. JOHNSTON: It's mutually exclusive.
24 DR. JOHNSTON: And when -- and when you sign a -- a
25 voter registration application, you're attesting --
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1 MR. LINDSEY: I agree.
2 DR. JOHNSTON: -- under oath that you're giving --
3 you're giving truthful information.
4 MR. DUFFEY: Well, that's in New York.
5 MR. LINDSEY: Agreed. As a --
6 DR. JOHNSTON: And then -- then you're a resident of
7 this state that you're applying to vote in.
8 MR. DUFFEY: But under the -- under the law -- under
9 the statute, that's one indication of what your residence
10 is. So the fact is that I'm not going to -- we can't
11 conclude whether or not these are or not -- I think where
12 they are residents, we need to defer it for more
13 investigation.
15 MR. DUFFEY: And we'll have to identify the ones that
16 are really suspect. It's not all -- not all of them are
17 suspect. And ask the investigation to focus on those. So
18 my motion is that to defer this until February.
19 MR. LINDSEY: For further investigation.
20 DR. JOHNSTON: Right. So, yeah. Some of these cases
21 the -- the voter actually voted in November in one state
22 and January in the other state. Which needs to be
23 investigated.
25 MR. MASHBURN: Agreed.
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1 MR. DUFFEY: Agreed. Is there a second?
4 MR. DUFFEY: It's been moved and seconded to defer
5 case number 2021-118 to February. All those in favor say
6 aye?
9 (No response)
10 MR. DUFFEY: It carries. Next. Any others?
11 DR. JOHNSTON: The next case Tab 7.
12 MS. KOTH: Houston County, excess voting. It's
13 reported that Brooke Taylor Walsh under the name Brooke
14 Taylor Cunningham voted in the states of Georgia and
15 Florida, respectively. Ms. Walsh possesses both a Florida
16 and Georgia driver's license and it appears as though she
17 voted in the November presidential election under the name
18 Brooke T. Cunningham in Florida. Ms. Walsh did vote in
19 Houston County, Georgia for the January 7th runoff
20 election but she did so under the name Brooke Walsh.
21 DR. JOHNSTON: Same person, two different names, I
22 believe. And it's the same issue that she voted in
23 Florida which should have disqualified her from residency
24 in Georgia. And not be eligible to vote in Georgia.
25 MR. DUFFEY: Well, I don't think per se disqualifies
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1 her. The concern I have here is that she voted in two
2 states seems to be the real problem, to me.
4 MR. LINDSEY: Well, it gets back to my question
5 earlier which is, Mr. Chairman, you know, did -- after she
6 voted in Florida in November, remember this was a nine --
7 nine-week runoff in which the registration period was
8 opened back up. Did she move back to Georgia after that?
9 MR. DUFFEY: That's a good point.
10 MR. LINDSEY: And then register in Georgia or not.
11 Because if she did, then that would have been perfectly
12 valid. But I can't see that from this record.
13 MR. DUFFEY: In -- in -- at the time of this
14 election, could you register for just the runoff or not?
16 MR. DUFFEY: You could?
17 MR. LINDSEY: Yes. Because of the -- the -- the
18 lengthy time period between the general and the -- the
19 runoff.
20 MR. DUFFEY: So what's your solution to this one?
21 MR. LINDSEY: I want to see -- I want to know -- I
22 want to know did she come back and moved to -- back to
23 Georgia and register in Georgia.
24 MR. DUFFEY: So you want to defer this --
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1 MR. DUFFEY: -- to February?
2 MR. LINDSEY: I do.
5 MR. DUFFEY: That was a motion, I assume?
6 MR. LINDSEY: Yes, it is, Mr. Chairman, sorry.
7 MR. DUFFEY: All right. It's been moved and seconded
8 that 2021-120 be deferred to February. Is there any
9 further discussion?
10 (No response)
11 MR. DUFFEY: All those in favor of deferral say aye?
14 (No response)
15 MR. DUFFEY: It carries. How many more do you have
16 Dr. Johnston? Because it's noon.
17 DR. JOHNSTON: I have one more.
19 DR. JOHNSTON: Case 167, Tab 20.
20 MS. KOTH: Lumber City absentee ballot fraud. The
21 complainant, Nicki Stegall (ph) reports Alice Strong and
22 Barbara Quinn, filled out Pete Clark's ballot and they did
23 not sign as assisting. Mr. Stegall further alleged Alice
24 Strong and Barbara Quinn took ballots to the poll of
25 voters that they were not related to. He's here if you
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1 have any questions.
2 MR. DUFFEY: So what's the issue on this one,
3 Dr. Johnston that you have?
4 DR. JOHNSTON: So I -- I have questions about the
5 assisted voters and Ms. Strong and Ms. Quinn.
6 MR. DUFFEY: And what -- specifically what?
7 MR. ARCHIE: Okay. In reference to Ms. Strong and
8 Ms. Quinn, there was a complaint that they were assisting
9 voters with their mailout ballots. But during my
10 investigation, they only assisted voters at the poll
11 during advanced voting and/or on election day. There was
12 none when they assisted anyone with a mailout ballot.
13 Also, Mr. Stegall -- Peter Clark is his father. And he
14 was under the impression that Barbara Quinn and/or Alice
15 Strong assisted him with his mailout ballot at -- at his
16 home. But that turned out not to be accurate. Mr. Clark
17 actually went down to the precinct and voted in person.
18 And Alice Strong did assist him because he does have a
19 disability. And all the other -- they -- they signed
20 assisting all the voters at the poll. I was able to
21 verify that also.
22 DR. JOHNSTON: So they did sign?
23 MR. ARCHIE: Yes, ma'am.
24 DR. JOHNSTON: All the forms were signed?
25 MR. ARCHIE: All the ones I found, they did sign as
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1 assisting.
2 DR. JOHNSTON: Okay. And that's my only question. I
3 recommend we dismiss that case.
4 MR. LINDSEY: Second, Mr. Chairman.
5 MR. DUFFEY: It's been moved and seconded to dismiss
6 complaint 2021-167. Is there any further discussion?
7 (No response)
8 MR. DUFFEY: There not being any. All those in favor
9 say aye.
12 (No response)
13 MR. DUFFEY: The motion carries. Does anybody else
14 have any others?
16 MR. DUFFEY: So there's no other proposed to be
17 dismissed recommend for dismissal cases to discuss. Is
18 there a motion to dismiss the cases which have not been
19 dismissed previously?
20 MS. GHAZAL: Absolutely.
21 MR. DUFFEY: Second?
24 MR. DUFFEY: All right. It's been moved and seconded
25 to dismiss all the cases that are proposed and listed
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1 under cases recommended to be dismissed. Other than those
2 that have already dismissed --
3 MR. MASHBURN: Or otherwise handled.
4 MR. LINDSEY: Or otherwise handled.
5 MR. DUFFEY: What's that --
6 MR. MASHBURN: Some we -- some we sent back for
7 continuances, and some were sent back for more
8 information.
9 MR. DUFFEY: Or otherwise handled. So let me start
10 again, there's a motion to move to dismiss all the cases
11 under cases recommended to be dismissed, other than those
12 that have already been dismissed and other than those from
13 which we have deferred to -- to the February meeting. Any
14 discussion on that revised motion?
15 MR. LINDSEY: Or taking other action. We had one in
16 which we dismissed, but with instructions to you to send a
17 letter.
18 MR. DUFFEY: I promise to send the letter. Any
20 (No response)
21 MR. DUFFEY: No. All those in favor say aye?
23 MR. DUFFEY: All those opposed, no?
24 (No response)
25 MR. DUFFEY: The motion carries. All right. It is
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1 12 o'clock. There's been a late request from an attorney
2 from Sumter County, is it? You should always let me know
3 this earlier if you have a conflict letter.
4 MS. HOOKS: Sorry, Your Honor. I thought it would go
5 faster. We -- we can wait. Mr. Howard has a board
6 meeting this afternoon at 4:30. I thought we would be
7 okay. We can be fresh after lunch, if that would be
8 better for you or...
9 MR. DUFFEY: And what's the Board meeting you have to
10 attend?
11 MS. HOOKS: He asked the Board Chair, please not to
12 schedule their regularly scheduled quarterly (inaudible)
13 today because we knew (inaudible) your time and she did
14 (inaudible) be here to appear before the board.
15 MR. HOWARD: I have a 4:30 meeting, Your Honor.
16 (Inaudible).
17 MR. DUFFEY: Is there any objection to taking this
18 out of order?
19 (No response)
20 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Then we will now consider
21 case number 2020-03 involving poll watchers at Sumter
22 County. It's a case that's recommended for referral to
23 the Attorney General's Office. So let's first have a
24 summary of the complaint. Can you do that Ms. Koth?
25 MS. KOTH: Uh-huh. This is 2020-003, Sumter County
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1 poll watchers. The complaint is Mr. Howard reported that
2 individuals acting as poll watchers entered a polling
3 location and went into an enclosed space and inspected
4 Sumter County voting equipment. Sumter County Election
5 Supervisor, Randy Howard, reported that members of the
6 Constitutional Party of Georgia gained access and took
7 pictures of election equipment the day prior to the
8 March 3rd, 2020 special runoff election.
9 The election equipment was located at the airport
10 polling location. And an employee thought the group was
11 with the Sumter County Election Office and gave them
12 access to the equipment. The employee was identified as
13 Holly Lott who said she thought that the females presented
14 themselves as if they were there to check the equipment
15 and at the time she thought they were there with the local
16 elections office. Ms. Lott felt that the females
17 misrepresented themselves in order to gain access to the
18 equipment.
19 Ms. Lott accompanied the females to the room where
20 the election equipment was located and observed one take
21 what appeared to be a selfie. Ms. Lott said the females
22 never touched the equipment and she -- and she reported
23 the incident -- she reported the incident to Randy Howard.
24 The room where the election equipment was locked and only
25 Ms. Lott and her boss had keys. Ms. Lott did not ask the
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1 females for identification.
2 The election equipment was immediately checked by IT
3 personnel, and everything was okay and none of the seals
4 had been broken. Mr. Howard misplaced the file and the
5 poll watchers information and supporting documentation
6 regarding the incident. Investigator Blanchard spoke to
7 Angie Ellison of the Constitutional Party of Georgia who
8 claimed that they had no record of any poll watchers being
9 in Sumter County during the March 3rd, 2020 special runoff
10 election. The Sumter County Election Supervisor, Randy
11 Howard, was unable to locate the file containing the poll
12 watchers information and supporting documentation
13 pertaining to this complainant.
14 So the potential violations: Sumter County Board of
15 Election registration. Randy Howard, Election Supervisor.
16 There's evidence to suggest that Sumter County Board of
17 Election and Registration and Randy Howard violated
18 O.C.G.A. 21-2-500(a), delivery of voting materials,
19 presentation to grand jury in certain cases, preservation
20 and destruction, destruction of unused ballots when Randy
21 Howard failed to properly store the file containing poll
22 watcher information and supporting documentation
23 pertaining to this complaint. Mr. Howard ended up losing
24 the file and the poll watchers were unable to be
25 identified.
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1 Sumter County Board of Election and Registration,
2 Randy Howard, Election Supervisor, Holly Lott. There's
3 evidence to suggest Sumter County Board of Election and
4 Registration, Randy Howard and Holly Lott violated SEB
5 Rule 183 1 12.04(6), when Holly Lott failed to properly
6 check identification before allowing two unidentified
7 females to gain access to secure election equipment.
8 MR. DUFFEY: Okay.
9 MS. HOOKS: (Inaudible)
10 MR. DUFFEY: What is your number? 48.
11 MS. HOOKS: Well, I'm Hayden Hooks. And I'm Sumter
12 County attorney. And I appreciate you all accommodating
13 us so we can get back to Americus this evening.
14 I won't -- we don't disagree with the facts, but I
15 would just submit to you that we don't believe that the
16 facts match up with -- with the rule or the statute that
17 Ms. Lott and Mr. Howard are being cited for. And, I
18 guess, I said I don't -- we don't disagree with the facts,
19 but we do to the extent that Mr. Howard lost any records.
20 You'll note that this took place in March 2nd of 2020
21 and shortly thereafter we all know we entered into
22 lockdown and I do not know and it's not in the report.
23 Mr. Howard went back through his emails and can't confirm
24 when the investigator did come down to see him. So I'm
25 not sure the amount of time that passed between the
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1 initial self-report that Mr. Howard made and when the
2 investigator came. But I have here, and I know this isn't
3 an evidentiary hearing, but we have emails from Mr. Howard
4 to Mr. Harvey, who you all know was the former elections
5 chief, indicating who these ladies are. He has a copy of
6 their business cards that were transmitted to them. And
7 he also, you know, confirmed with Mr. Harvey because he
8 was confused. There was a little bit of a disagreement
9 because these women said they were official poll watchers.
10 And Mr. Howard had never received any -- you know, anyone
11 registering on the local level. The email shows that they
12 had sent the email to his predecessor who had resigned in
13 2018 and then they -- Mr. Harvey's office also confirmed
14 -- I don't know if it was Mr. Harvey or someone else, but
15 that these were not statewide poll watchers.
16 These individuals had not been credentialed by the
17 state. And so to the extent Mr. Howard was supposed to
18 maintain records of the official poll watchers, these
19 individuals were -- were not official poll watchers. But
20 also the statute that is cited is the statute that
21 Ms. Ghazal, I believe is how you say it, referenced
22 earlier talking about the duties of storing information
23 and that's -- that statute focuses on just securing your
24 returns. There's nothing in that statute that says
25 anything about your poll watcher records.
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1 And then for Ms. Lott, she's cited with the -- the
2 failure to secure equipment statute. Ms. Lott is an
3 employee at the airport which is run by an independent --
4 it's an independent authority. She's not a county
5 employee. She's not an employee of the Board of
6 Elections. And so I would submit to you that based on my
7 reading of that rule, she doesn't fall within, you know,
8 we've talked -- I've heard you all talk about in some of
9 these other matters about jurisdiction.
10 She's not someone that's subject to jurisdiction
11 under that rule, I don't believe. And even still, the
12 duty under that statute is that reasonable steps should be
13 taken to secure the equipment. And I would submit that
14 reasonable steps were taken. These machines were placed
15 in a secure location. They were in the conference room at
16 the airport. And, you know, only a few people had access
17 to that room. But when individuals come and, you know,
18 she had an official badge and misrepresent who they are,
19 and -- and people who aren't, you know, who aren't trained
20 because they're just the employees at the places that
21 we're, you know, we're getting for free. Just because our
22 budgets are so limited to use that their guard is not up
23 as much as if, you know.
24 These people were actually caught later at another
25 polling place trying to do the same thing by someone who
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1 was an official poll worker who had been trained on the
2 importance of security. But this is a third-party who
3 just hadn't gone through the training, and I heard you all
4 earlier today talking about the need to have elections
5 take place at non-official facilities. Well, you know,
6 you think of -- if we're going to start citing these
7 employees of theses non-affiliated facilities who haven't
8 been trained. It's going to make our lives harder to try
9 and find those facilities.
10 If -- if the -- the word gets out, I mean, we have --
11 Mr. Howard and I have really -- we thought we were going
12 to -- when this first came up in August and Mr. Germany
13 accommodated us -- our schedule and moved this to December
14 for us. We thought we were going to lose the airport as a
15 November polling place because the airport officials were
16 so upset about Ms. Lott getting dragged into this.
17 And so I would just submit that, you know, there's
18 some unintended consequences from this -- this incident
19 that Mr. Howard self-reported. He was trying to do the
20 right thing. He was reaching out to the Secretary of
21 State's Office for assistance. I believe the woman
22 involved in this complaint is well known to the Secretary
23 of State's Office as kind of being a little bit of a
24 troublemaker. And -- and now he, you know, he's being --
25 we spent our morning driving up here to Atlanta.
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1 And we just ask that you would consider maybe a
2 letter of instruction or dismissal. Since the facts don't
3 really add up to what has happened here. And if you all
4 want to look at the emails, you will see he actively
5 participated in trying to get this information to the
6 Secretary of State's Office. And I'm not sure where the
7 disconnect came from.
8 MR. DUFFEY: Let me respond to that. I would say
9 that somebody who elects to hire a third party to keep
10 secure information that's critical infrastructure for
11 voting would have taken further steps to say, if we do
12 this, let me tell you, you cannot let anybody in this
13 building. And I'll give you personal instruction rather
14 than trying to excuse the failure to do that by saying
15 that because they weren't a county worker that they
16 weren't personally instructed.
17 MS. HOOKS: And I don't -- I don't disagree with you.
18 But I would -- and I didn't want to go through the play by
19 play, but I think -- Ms. Lott has the flu, and I think if
20 she were here, she would tell you that there -- procedure
21 we have, you know, we're in a small county. We don't have
22 the resources that some of these larger counties have but
23 -- and we're certainly understaffed on deputies. We
24 couldn't have a deputy secure each of our 11 -- we just
25 don't have enough deputies on each shift to have that be
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1 an option.
2 But you -- but say, you know, Mr. Howard had talked
3 to her. She knew she wasn't supposed to. But the
4 procedure it -- that the county has done for years is that
5 the inmates at the correctional institute bring the
6 machines, they get locked up and then the poll workers
7 come in and unlock them and get them ready before election
8 day. And so the poll workers it's, any county attorney,
9 any county official will tell you, it's hard to find poll
10 workers.
11 It's not like they work 52 weeks out of the year like
12 most people do. It's only a certain number of days and so
13 they change a lot. And so when someone comes in, you're
14 doing your job, and someone comes in and says, hey, I'm a
15 poll watcher and not a poll worker, I find myself using
16 those words interchangeably in a call last week. And so,
17 I mean, I hear you. And we did, it was just kind of --
18 people -- they actually caught them the next day trying to
19 sneak in behind, you know, to watch the elections after
20 they've had been told not to. They were coming in --
21 trying to come in the back door of the airport. And so
22 we're focusing on the wrong people, I would argue. When
23 there are people who are trying to cause, you know, trying
24 to interfere with the elections. But Mr. Howard can
25 answer your questions about the training, if you'd like.
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1 MR. DUFFEY: Well, this is, you know, as I've said
2 earlier, and I think you were here. Our function is to
3 determine whether there's something that we ought to refer
4 to the Attorney General's Office and I believe there is.
5 I mean, when you say we're focusing on the wrong people,
6 I'd say we're focusing on the right people, just maybe not
7 all of them. So, I mean, I will hear from the other Board
8 members. But, you know...
9 MS. GHAZAL: Well, I -- I had placed a note in here
10 that the real, if you'll forgive the term, the real
11 villains of this case are the unidentified --
13 MS. GHAZAL: -- individuals who misrepresented
14 themselves. And if you are telling me that you actually
15 have the identity of those individuals --
16 MS. HOOKS: Yeah.
17 MS. GHAZAL: -- would it be possible to somehow add
18 that information to this record as it's referred to the
19 Attorney General's Office. And -- and it could be that
20 that would require, yet another deferment to allow these
21 individuals, if they are named, to come and represent
22 themselves before the Board before we take any action.
23 But if we know who it was, if someone has the information
24 of -- on who these individuals were who misrepresented
25 themselves, obtained unauthorized access and photographed
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1 equipment, I think that is really material to the case.
3 MS. GHAZAL: I'm open as to what the proper next step
4 would be.
5 MS. HOOKS: And -- and I apologize that we came here.
6 I -- I've been reaching out to the Secretary of State's
7 Office and they kind of told me that with the new change
8 in the law their hands are kind of bound on their ability
9 once we get to this point to take it off the agenda and
10 investigate it further. That I needed to come to you all
11 and present these arguments.
12 MR. MASHBURN: Okay. Yeah. That's -- that's right.
13 MR. LINDSEY: That's right.
14 MR. MASHBURN: But do -- do you have the -- do you
15 have the IDs of the two females in question, or not?
16 MS. HOOKS: I do. I have --
18 MS. HOOKS: -- names.
19 MR. MASHBURN: You -- you don't need to come up.
20 That's okay. I believe you.
21 MS. HOOKS: (Inaudible).
22 MR. MASHBURN: I believe you.
23 MS. HOOKS: Yeah.
24 MR. MASHBURN: I want to check the Board's
25 temperature on this. But I would like for your local DA
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1 to consider whether to file charges against those two if
2 they truly misrepresented themselves to get into secured
3 locations. So I would like to invite your local DA to
4 have a look at this. And whether we got to do that, or
5 they'll do it on their own. Just see what the Board
6 thinks about that.
7 MR. LINDSEY: Do we also, Mr. Chairman, have the
8 authority -- doesn't the GBI have direct jurisdiction
9 now --
10 MR. DUFFEY: They do.
11 MR. LINDSEY: -- sort of things?
12 MR. DUFFEY: Well, here's -- it's -- here's what I
13 think we should do. We can ask -- I think we should vote
14 on whether or not this gets referred to -- to the Attorney
15 General's Office. Ask the Attorney General's Office to
16 withhold on processing the case. We'll get those names.
17 I think it's incumbent upon us to provide some
18 investigation ourselves --
20 MR. DUFFEY: -- of -- of these people before we refer
21 to --
22 MR. LINDSEY: Okay.
23 MR. DUFFEY: -- an investigative agency, including a
24 DA who's going to say, well, I don't have anything here.
25 Therefore, I'm not going to pursue it. Whereas we give
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1 them the information and allow them to make an assessment.
2 And determine whether or not you're going to go ahead and
3 -- and allocate the prosecutorial that sort of resources.
4 It's more likely something will be done.
5 MR. LINDSEY: Okay.
6 MS. HOOKS: Mr. Howard --
7 MR. HOWARD: Your Honor, may I say something?
8 MR. DUFFEY: Yes.
9 MR. HOWARD: First of all, I want to thank you and
10 the Board for allowing us to come here today and speak to
11 you for a second. Can you all hear me okay?
12 MR. DUFFEY: Yeah.
13 MR. HOWARD: Hi, my name is Randy Howard. I'm
14 Supervisor Sumter County Elections. On the date in
15 question, we had a runoff March the 3rd and -- with
16 Senator Carnes' office. I had five precincts to set up.
17 We were setting those up. What we used is our work
18 details, or inmates that is, state inmates out of
19 (unintelligible) County correctional institute. And we
20 was -- I pulled up in Andersonville and I realized my
21 correction officer was having an issue with some folks.
22 And I confronted them, and they were throwing papers
23 up, and they had a right to do this, and they had a right
24 to do that. And they was intimidating the officers and
25 the inmates sitting all around. And I said you're not
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1 going into the precinct while they are setting up. You're
2 not going to be around the inmates. And once we get
3 things set up, you come in. If you have the proper
4 credentials and we may, you know, I'll work with you, but
5 otherwise you're not going in there till the inmates get
6 everything set up.
7 And because the issue was there -- they was hollering
8 and fussing at -- at the yard so I thought the best thing
9 is they need to go on home. But at that time too is
10 that's when Larry Chitwood who's the one I wrote, our
11 supervisors was going behind and check to make sure
12 everything is set up and come back and told me some ladies
13 that had been at the airport and conned themselves into
14 (inaudible). So I got to talking and I realized who they
15 was. It was Marilyn Marks who's a Constitution party who
16 actually had me in court at the time and was suing me.
17 And Judge (unintelligible) Smith well, we meet the first
18 part and the judge was considering dismissing the second
19 part.
20 So I knew that I had a conflict and I could not get
21 involved. So I called Chris Harvey who was the election
22 official at the time, he told me call me anytime. I had
23 his cell number. I said, I got a problem down here. And
24 he told me -- and I explained to him what I had, and he
25 knew about the situation with the election because they
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1 were involved with us too. So he said I'll have an
2 investigator come down there and work on it.
3 We know who the ladies are. One, Marilyn, and they
4 have a group and they split up when they come into the
5 counties. They hit Dooley County, Crisp all these other
6 counties. Just -- just walk in and try to intimidate
7 people and get into it. It's our procedure -- if you're a
8 poll watcher, most people locally say, hey, Randy, I'm --
9 I send them the information. And if you're going to be a
10 poll watcher, I get them ID, I go out (unintelligible) I
11 go write a letter. (Unintelligible) state poll watchers.
12 I don't think I had about two since I've been here
13 since 2019. Come in -- we -- I meet them out there. The
14 poll managers won't let them in. I check their
15 credentials. If they are, I introduce them. We show them
16 around the place. I answer any questions they want. You
17 know, I -- I try to be very open. We -- it's our policy
18 to have an honest election. Also to have -- be very
19 transparent and not hide everything.
20 It's -- my background -- I was law enforcement 31
21 years. Sheriff 24, also a county commissioner and also
22 worked with homeland security for a while and I just don't
23 want my name tarnished. And I know it's wrong, but I do
24 not have a case file -- I didn't investigate till Chris
25 said, he would have an investigator come down there. I
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1 provided him names.
2 Also, that same day, the county commissioners, James
3 Gaston, Chairman, as well as Carson Walker and, I believe,
4 it was Phil Deese talked to those ladies at the courthouse
5 who came in. And it was Marilyn and the other -- it was
6 one lady -- there was a lady (unintelligible). So I said
7 -- there's a group of them. And there is another group of
8 them too who comes travel around.
9 So what happened is we did not -- I did not turn away
10 any poll worker. If they're a poll worker, If they're
11 honest, you know, to work with them. And later on I did
12 get the information from Chris when I got back. See I'm
13 one person. I'm the only full time person that is there.
14 At least at that time I had a part-time, but she was in
15 the office. I use hourly people -- the whole county works
16 together on our elections for security and setting up.
17 But at the airport, this young lady here, she's
18 worked with us. She's always been honest, you know, she
19 has to keep the key because of, you know, of fire or
20 whatever it is. And also my poll workers come in we put
21 all our materials at the doors and the walls the day
22 before. So people going in and out, but they are elected
23 officials. Here this young lady got conned with Marilyn.
24 She's a sweet talker. She is well-dressed, clean and she
25 knows all about elections. And she'll run a scam and a
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1 con like she did with my commissioners. But prior to the
2 lawsuit.
3 But anyway, so we went there. But I don't understand
4 what he's talking about ballots. All my ballots, even if
5 the -- if there's any leftover, they're blank. If they're
6 -- if they're emergency ballots, everything we have goes
7 back into the boxes. And they are heavy boxes. They got
8 seals on them. They've got stuff on the front,
9 well-documented and they are locked down and they stay
10 there until the statute of limitations. We have -- I have
11 not shredded the first ballot since I've been there. We
12 know the statute of limitations is two and a half years or
13 two years, but we have not shredded because we haven't had
14 the time with so many elections we've had.
15 So it's been a very (unintelligible). You know, 2020
16 March I was, you know, not only doing the runoff but also
17 getting ready for the next election. Plus, I was closing
18 down one Chambliss precinct because we didn't have enough
19 room and setting up a new place to take early voting. So
20 it was very busy -- not counting -- next thing I know
21 COVID pops in on us too. It's been a very hectic year.
22 Plus, the presidential election and the cancellation of
23 PPP. So, oh, yeah.
24 But I'll tell you -- I'll be honest with you, I don't
25 know of anything that I have destroyed and have been above
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1 board. I didn't -- I didn't go out and do a case file
2 because I didn't know I needed to do a full scale
3 investigation. If I did, I would have called the
4 sheriff's office. Who would probably refer me to the
5 Secretary of State. But also at the same time I would
6 have -- I thought you'll come in just be investigating
7 them instead of investigating me. Like I said,
8 (unintelligible). And I don't know of any documents that
9 I would have destroyed.
10 And I don't know of any, you know -- I should go
11 before the grand jury. I'll be happy to go before the
12 grand jury to tell the facts. I think they'll be
13 enlightened. Because I got a lot of witnesses that will
14 be present, you know, if I have to to testify what did
15 happen that day from the Boards as well as the workers and
16 everything else.
17 So I just -- I just don't know where this
18 investigation -- how it got turned around that I'm the the
19 perpetrator of the crime where the person that created the
20 issue from the beginning is walking around fancy free. So
21 I'm just not sure and I just don't -- I'm open for any
22 questions and I'm open for any investigation because I
23 don't have anything to hide. I just don't -- I just don't
24 know how I’m in this whirlwind with all this stuff.
25 I do appreciate you all for allowing us to speak.
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1 Like I said, I got to get back to the board meeting as
2 well, risk limitation and get ready to set up for
3 tomorrow. And I thank you for your time and also to
4 letting us go ahead of time before your break. Thank you
5 very much.
6 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you. Well, first you -- one of
7 the problems I guess with citing a full statute is that
8 the word grand jury is in there, nobody is asking you to
9 appear before a grand jury. It's limited to the two
10 things that are set out in the -- in the investigative
11 summary. Any other Board members have input on this based
12 upon the matters that are alleged?
13 MR. MASHBURN: I just want to reemphasize what Judge
14 Duffey said previously and then come in and add to Sara's
15 discussion earlier and so the problem that I'm having just
16 to be very plain with y’all. The problem I'm having is
17 you had this room that's supposed to be under lock and
18 key. But you have to share it with the people whose room
19 it is and so they have to have a lock and key.
20 But the problem there is that, in essence, makes them
21 a deputy registrar because they're now in charge of
22 election stuff. And so you can't -- you can't say, well,
23 it wasn't our fault because -- because somebody who we
24 don't control did something. When it's you all's control
25 that's supposed to be the control. And so, you know, my
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1 argument that she didn't do anything wrong because we have
2 no jurisdiction over her, that points the target back at
3 you. So that's why the investigation is looking at y’all
4 because it's y’all's equipment and it's y’all's duty --
5 MS. HOOKS: And I don't disagree that there was --
6 was a failure. I mean, obviously, somebody got in that
7 shouldn't have. But I guess I just also -- I'm pleading
8 with you about the practical realities of this.
9 MR. MASHBURN: Right.
10 MS. HOOKS: In a small town with limiting, I mean,
11 we've got a lot of churches that aren't even handicap
12 accessible. I've been practiced in Atlanta for five years
13 and my precinct was a cathedral, St. Phillip. We don't
14 have anything like that and -- and I would just -- I hear
15 you but just think about the practical realities of it
16 that’s all.
17 MR. MASHBURN: Another thing I would like to add as
18 for the counties that are listening to this, when I
19 started doing this 30 years ago, I would be the only
20 person those people had ever seen. You mean -- you come
21 to watch our election, yeah. We do this all by ourselves.
22 You know, nobody's ever come down here before.
23 But we live in a different world now. And so you've
24 got to be more careful and you can't take people at their
25 word any longer. And it's sad that that's the case but
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1 that's the case. So everybody needs to double down on
2 their precautions because you -- you do have people and --
3 and you do have people that'll post selfies and say, look
4 at what I just did in this county. They don't have the
5 proper protections. And so, you know, there -- there are
6 people out there looking to embarrass you. And that's a
7 sad fact but there we are.
8 MR. LINDSEY: Mr. Chairman, I'm -- I'm struggling
9 with whether we'd be better off and I'm this -- and this
10 is a question. We would be better off with a letter of
11 instruction to the county on -- on what should be the
12 proper procedures on handling this. And move on to the --
13 for one of the better term, the bad guys who, basically,
14 conned their way in and did something they shouldn't do.
15 And whether or not there should be a further investigation
16 there.
17 I'm just trying -- I -- I -- I do want to see and it
18 to be clearly on the record that this can't happen again.
19 And that, you know, this -- these are the procedures and
20 the responsibilities of the county to ensure that it
21 doesn't happen again. You know, regardless and perhaps
22 good intentions that may have been involved. Whether or
23 not that -- that can be -- that issue can be disposed of
24 and then we can move on to the issues of those people who
25 wrongfully were able to get their way into the system.
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1 I'm -- I'm -- I'm asking.
2 MR. HOWARD: Your Honor, there is one thing I would
3 like to say instead of Ms. Holly, you know, I am the
4 supervisor of that and the buck stops with me and I'll --
5 I'll accept all responsibility. Anything go wrong at the
6 airport, that's my fault. That's not Ms. Holly's. And
7 she should not be -- go through this. She's been very
8 upset, the airport authority has been very upset.
9 That's the only precinct in that whole area and
10 they've been wanting us out now. So I don't know where
11 I'm going to move to. But if I do go -- unless I can
12 persuade him to do something different. The people
13 (unintelligible) been there for like 20 years
14 (unintelligible) airport and this has created a serious
15 issue for me right now trying to find another precinct if
16 I have to move. At least I got this year to do it.
17 And we have almost 3,000 voters go through there, you
18 know, that whole place, they make coffee for the poll
19 workers. The voters come in, they laugh, talk, get a cup
20 of coffee. It's just a friendly precinct. People loved
21 it. And now this happened and just messing the whole
22 thing up for us. And we -- and I am responsible for what
23 happened. So I don't think -- I think she should be
24 removed because it's my responsibility for it -- her
25 actions.
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1 MR. MASHBURN: So if you -- you think if we send
2 Ms. Lott a letter --
3 MS. HOOKS: They'll move the precinct.
4 MR. MASHBURN: -- of instruction and say don't do
5 this again and I think she's got it. But she's not -- she
6 is or isn't doing it anymore. I don't know.
7 MR. HOWARD: I don't think she'll let anybody in
8 there anymore after --
9 MR. MASHBURN: So she's got it.
10 MR. HOWARD: What she went through I ain't too sure
11 she --
12 MR. MASHBURN: So you think -- you think an equitable
13 resolution to this would be send her a letter say, don't
14 do this again, letter of instruction, but hold the Board
15 accountable that -- that somebody got into that room,
16 right?
17 MR. HOWARD: I have no objection to that.
18 MR. DUFFEY: That's what we should do.
19 MS. HOOKS: I mean, obviously, you'd rather not have
20 a consent order, but I've worked with the Attorney
21 General's Office on some of these. So we -- we can work
22 that out and find a favorable penalty, I'm sure.
23 MR. DUFFEY: Well, you know, that -- what has
24 happened in just the past few months is the extreme danger
25 of allowing people not allowed access to -- to the
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1 machines. And -- and the havoc that's caused to the
2 voting system and the people's trust in the voting system.
3 So I think at some point, whether you're a big county or a
4 small county, we have -- we have to make -- continue to
5 make a point to people that the dangers out there that
6 can, as Mr. Mashburn has said, are greater than they've
7 ever been.
8 And in order to be consistent and everything that has
9 been said here is more I think in mitigation then it is
10 excuse. And the idea of holding Ms. Lott by sending her a
11 letter, which I guess I have to draft that one too, that
12 gets her, I mean, I think that she's entitled to some
13 peace from all this. But I do think that the institution
14 of the election process in Sumter County is the Board, and
15 we need to refer that to the Attorney General's Office.
16 But I will ask them because we -- because they're
17 disposition might be informed by whatever investigation is
18 conducted of the individuals.
19 Now, Ms. McGowan, really loves to move forward on
20 things that we refer to her. So she's -- she might be a
21 little offended but I'm not asking her not to work on this
22 yet. But you'll accommodate me, won't you? Okay. So let
23 me make the motion that we -- that we refer -- that we --
24 that with respect to Ms. Lott, that we move to dismiss the
25 allegations against her but send her a letter of
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1 instruction.
2 MR. MASHBURN: Yeah. Sorry, sorry. I spoke too
3 quick.
4 MR. DUFFEY: Okay.
5 MR. MASHBURN: You know, we can't send a letter of
6 instruction if we dismissed -- we've dismissed it. We
7 have to send a letter of instruction in accordance with
8 it. So I don't think we can dismiss it and still give her
9 a letter of instruction. I might be wrong.
10 MS. MCGOWAN: That's correct.
11 MR. LINDSEY: That's correct.
12 MS. MCGOWAN: (Inaudible).
13 MR. DUFFEY: So we just find a violation and the
14 remedy is a letter of instruction?
16 MR. DUFFEY: So I'll move that we find the violation,
17 but that we not refer to the Attorney General's Office and
18 instead send a letter of instruction to Ms. Lott, which I
19 will tell her that that she is not going to be held
20 personally accountable, nor is the airport going to be
21 held personally accountable for any conduct that's been
22 alleged. And then I also -- and part of the motion, then
23 would be to refer it to the Attorney General's Office the
24 allegations against the county.
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2 (No response)
3 MR. DUFFEY: All those in favor of the motion, please
4 say aye.
7 (No response)
8 MR. DUFFEY: Motion carries. All right. Do we have
9 -- so we've taken that out of order. Now, DeKalb wants to
10 take theirs out of order. But before we do that, does
11 anybody want to pull any of the cases for violations not
12 recommended for referral to the Attorney General's Office?
14 MR. DUFFEY: Because if that's the case, if there's
15 anybody here they've been waiting in line and it wouldn't
16 take very long for us to resolve those. So we'll move on
17 to the cases not recommended for referral to the
18 Attorney's General Office. Which is case 220-123,
19 220-114, and 221-180. Does anybody want to pull for
20 discussion any of those three cases?
21 (No response)
22 MR. DUFFEY: Is there a motion then to move --
23 MR. MASHBURN: I move to accept the recommendation.
24 MR. DUFFEY: Is there any objection?
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1 MR. DUFFEY: Second. Second. Any further discussion
2 on the motion?
3 (No response)
5 follow the recommendation to the Board regarding case
6 number 2020-123, 2021-114 and 2021-180. All those in
7 favor say aye.
10 (No response)
11 MR. DUFFEY: Motion carries. Now, we'll go to the
12 final case which is case number 2020-029, DeKalb County,
13 election day issues. Tab 33. And can you summarize that
14 for us, please, Ms. Koth.
15 MS. KOTH: On 6/9/2020 Office of the Secretary of
16 State Investigations Division received approximately 55
17 complaints regarding the management of the 2020 primary
18 election in DeKalb County. The complaints are as follows:
19 1) One voting precinct was not handicapped accessible. 2)
20 Five polling precincts had poll workers who appeared to be
21 untrained and disorganized. 3) Two precincts experienced
22 equipment failures, printers/scanners. 4) One precinct
23 had a pest issue. 5) One precinct received its voting
24 equipment after the precinct opened. 6) Seven precincts
25 did not open on time. 7) Three precincts did not have
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1 enough ballot marking devices. 8) Two precinct locations
2 were changed without notifying voters. 9) One precinct
3 had staff who interfered with the voting process.
4 10) Thirteen precincts experienced technical issues with
5 the ballot marking devices.
6 Due to the limited responses from the poll managers
7 and the refusal of former DeKalb County Election
8 Supervisor, Erica Hamilton, to provide the necessary
9 records to complete the investigation. The investigator
10 was unable to substantiate or disprove allegations 2, 3,
11 5, 6, 8, 9 and 10. There was no violation of election
12 code for allegations 1, 4 and 7.
13 The potential violations were for Erica Hamilton,
14 former DeKalb County Election Supervisor. There's
15 evidence to suggest that Erica Hamilton is in violation of
16 O.C.G.A. 21-2-562(b), neglect or refusal to deliver
17 documents when she failed to respond to the Georgia Office
18 of the Secretary of State Investigations Division requests
19 for records.
20 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Is the county attorney here?
21 MS. VANDERELS: Yes. Good afternoon. My name is
22 Irene Vanderels. I'm here with Tristen Wade from DeKalb
23 County Law Department. I'm here representing Erica
24 Hamilton in her capacity as former Director of Elections
25 and DeKalb County, as well as the DeKalb County Board of
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1 Registration and Elections.
2 As a preliminary matter, I'd just like to note that I
3 -- I have requested a list of any documents that the
4 investigators believe have been requested or are still
5 outstanding because we would like to work with current
6 staff to make sure that to the extent that we have that,
7 those documents or information that they are provided. So
8 I emailed Mr. Germany about that last week. And we'll
9 certainly do everything we can to make sure that what is
10 needed is provided.
11 And just for some context because this case came in
12 after Ms. Hamilton left the county. We did run a search
13 of emails between Ms. Hamilton and the identified
14 investigator, and it does appear from those emails that at
15 least some documents were produced in response to his
16 requests. Ms. Hamilton and another staff member made
17 themselves available for interview and were interviewed by
18 the investigator. And that is consistent with
19 Ms. Hamilton's recollection as I understand it. So
20 there's -- there's not any intent from our perspective to
21 avoid providing information or documents.
22 And, again, we certainly on behalf of the Board and
23 current staff want to try to provide what has been
24 requested. And finally, I'd just like to note that the
25 cited statute 21-2-562 refers to a specific category of
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1 documents that may give rise to a violation. And because
2 we don't have a specific body of documents identified in
3 the -- the hearing notice or case report -- I don't know
4 that there is a basis for a violation of the statute.
5 And so until we have that list, we'd ask that the --
6 the case be dismissed. But, again, do want to provide
7 whatever documents and information may still be
8 outstanding. And Ms. Hamilton is here with us today. I
9 appreciate the Board accommodating hearing us before
10 lunch. She is a current election official in Cobb County.
11 And is preparing for the audit to begin tomorrow.
12 MR. DUFFEY: Well, Ms. Koth, let me ask you this.
13 You know, if you look at the ones where the investigator
14 found that there was no evidence, we have uniformly held
15 people accountable for that sort of violation. For
16 example, the violation that precincts were not opened on
17 time, are you saying that we couldn't find any evidence
18 the precincts weren't opened on time? Then there's a
19 violation claim that -- that one precinct received its
20 voting equipment after the precinct opened. Is -- why
21 don't we have information about when it was delivered and
22 whether or not there's a violation of the not having the
23 voting equipment there on time? And -- I mean, there's --
24 there's an interview of Ms. Hamilton who was interviewed
25 on I guess on the 2nd of December -- I'm sorry, February
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1 4th of 2021 where she said she stated she was aware that
2 some poll pads reverted back to advance voting data but
3 there's nothing here about equipment not being delivered
4 on time. I mean, these seem like such simple things to
5 determine whether or not they were or were not true.
6 MS. KOTH: Which number was that?
7 MR. DUFFEY: That's allegation 5. Then there was an
8 allegation that there were equipment failures.
9 MR. MASHBURN: Allegation 6.
10 MS. KOTH: For 5, he said that Patricia Young was a
11 poll manager at Stone View Elementary School. He recorded
12 the interview. She stated that the BMDs were delivered to
13 the precinct prior to the election but the poll pads were
14 programmed for early voting. She discovered the poll pads
15 were inoperable during the setup process at 6:00 a.m. She
16 immediately contacted the election office to request new
17 equipment. She received the new equipment at
18 approximately 9:00 a.m. All voters were offered
19 provisional ballots until 9:00 a.m.
20 MR. DUFFEY: Did they change precinct locations
21 without notifying voters?
22 MS. KOTH: That was -- that was for Brookhaven
23 Christian Church and Briar Lake Elementary School were
24 changed without notification. The poll manager at Briar
25 Lake Elementary School was unresponsive to his telephone
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1 and email requests for an interview. John Russell was the
2 poll manager at Brookhaven Christian Church. He confirmed
3 he had several voters appear at his precinct who had voted
4 there for years, but they were not on his list of
5 electors. Therefore, the precincts were, indeed, changed.
6 He (inaudible) --
7 MR. DUFFEY: So -- so is the way that we get out of
8 allegations is by having people in the county not
9 cooperate with our investigations? And there's nobody
10 else that could answer those questions? This person
11 wouldn't cooperate, so we don't go any further?
12 MS. KOTH: He said on 2/4/21 he conducted the
13 interview with Erica Hamilton an elections coordinator,
14 Latasha Howard. In response to the allegation of lack of
15 notice of precinct changes, they stated poll managers were
16 notified of dual precincts during their training sessions.
17 As the precinct list changed due to emergency COVID-19
18 related closures. This information was disseminated to
19 poll managers via email. Voters received letters of
20 precinct changes and there was a press release published
21 on the county website of precinct changes, as well. In
22 addition, signs were posted at the precincts that were
23 changed up to a week prior to the election. Ms. Hamilton
24 agreed to provide documentation of precinct change
25 notifications.
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1 MR. DUFFEY: Anybody else?
2 MR. LINDSEY: Just for the record, Mr. Chairman, my
3 firm, and I do work for DeKalb County for that reason I
4 need to recuse myself for any consideration on this
5 matter.
6 MR. DUFFEY: Okay. Thank you.
7 MS. GHAZAL: It appears to me that we have a bit of a
8 mixed bag here that in some of these cases, the
9 allegations are simply not supported by the facts. In
10 particular, the allegation of precinct changes, it appears
11 that the -- both voters received notice. Whether they
12 open the letters or postcards is -- is another question.
13 Whether the postcards that we send out are, in fact,
14 adequate notices. That's a policy issue.
15 So I think in some of these cases, like we've seen
16 before, there will be a large number of allegations and
17 not all of them are supported. But I think there's either
18 sufficient question with many of them or it appears that
19 there is sufficient factual basis to suggest that many of
20 these allegations are widely true but it's sorting the
21 wheat from the chaff here that we need to do. Such as
22 late -- this is -- this is the same -- same -- the same
23 election in which we had lots and lots of counties with
24 late openings, equipment not delivered on time because the
25 counties just weren't prepared. So that means that what
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1 we see here is some more of what we saw in Chatham County.
2 Which needs more development, I think, in some cases.
3 MR. MASHBURN: Yeah. Late openings are almost always
4 be associated with a lawsuit and a judge's order. So
5 that's one that to me should be capable of determining
6 whether it happened or not because there's almost, I mean,
7 I -- I can't imagine late openings that aren't some --
8 MR. DUFFEY: Sanctioned.
9 MR. MASHBURN: Yeah. Yeah.
10 MS. VANDERELS: I -- we did have a late openings and
11 did obtain court order extending hours for the June
12 primary. I can confirm that. And we're certainly glad to
13 provide documentation to that effect. And, again, answer
14 any questions or provide documents to the extent that we
15 have them that may still be outstanding.
16 But Ms. Hamilton's no longer with the county so she,
17 in her, you know, individual capacity is not able to
18 provide that information and documentation. So if the
19 Board feels that a continuance is appropriate, I can
20 certainly -- glad to work with the investigators or the
21 Secretary of State's counsel to flush out what they
22 believe may still be outstanding. Which is what I
23 understand the -- the -- the violation is here that we're
24 hearing today.
25 MR. MASHBURN: Well, if I may? The thing -- the
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1 thing that seems to be the issue with me and just kind of
2 being the -- trying to play institutional memory here.
3 Traditionally, when -- when an election director has an
4 allegation against them and they leave and go do something
5 else not related with elections, the Board is hesitant to
6 pursue people to the ends of the earth and just -- and had
7 them and just hound them. So the Board has traditionally
8 just let that go and said, okay. They're gone, you know,
9 then they knew -- they knew people were going to help.
10 But Ms. Hamilton is involved and still involved in
11 elections over in Cobb County. So what since
12 Ms. Hamilton's here, I would like to hear her commitment
13 to helping the investigators and helping the process as
14 one who's still involved in elections. I think she can,
15 you know, give the Board some comfort as her commitment to
16 the -- to the process -- if she's comfortable or willing
17 to do that.
18 MS. HAMILTON: Sure I can't go back to DeKalb County
19 to get any information.
20 MR. MASHBURN: Right.
21 MS. HAMILTON: But as far as anything that comes up
22 in Cobb County which I have to respond to, I am more than
23 willing to provide that information.
24 MR. MASHBURN: Right. And so with regard to -- to
25 things that you remember as a witness. Not whether you
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1 have documents or not. But, hey, yeah, I remember about
2 that pest thing or I don't remember about that pest thing.
3 You're willing and committed to talking to the
4 investigators and getting them what they need, right?
5 MS. HAMILTON: Correct. Yes.
6 MR. DUFFEY: So is there a motion?
7 MR. MASHBURN: I volunteer to make a motion. I move
8 to continue this and let Ms. Hamilton and the
9 investigators work together with DeKalb County and see
10 what everybody can do and get a report on it in February.
13 MR. DUFFEY: It's been moved and seconded to defer
14 this complaint until our February meeting. Is there any
16 (No response)
17 MR. DUFFEY: All right. All those in favor of the
18 motion say aye.
21 (No response)
22 MR. DUFFEY: It passes. And Mr. Lindsey did not
23 vote. And so that concludes all of the cases unless I've
24 missed any. Have I missed any?
25 MR. MASHBURN: You've done well.
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1 MR. DUFFEY: Then we will adjourn for 45 minutes in
2 which we will go into executive session.
3 MR. LINDSEY: And, Mr. Chairman, I think -- I think
4 it needs -- I need to make a formal motion to go into
5 executive session, if I may.
6 MR. DUFFEY: Yes.
7 MR. LINDSEY: I -- I move that we go into executive
8 session to handle personnel matters.
11 MR. DUFFEY: It's been moved and seconded to go into
12 executive session. All those in favor of the motion say
13 aye.
16 (No response)
17 MR. DUFFEY: Then we are in executive session. And
18 we'll see everybody back here at quarter -- about quarter
19 to two.
20 (Whereupon, a recess was taken at 1:04-1:54 p.m.)
21 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Do we have a motion to
22 return from executive session?
23 MR. LINDSEY: I shall move, Mr. Chairman.
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1 MR. DUFFEY: It has been moved and seconded that we
2 retire from executive session. So we are now back into
3 the meeting of the Board. And the next item of business
4 are, you know, is those cases that are -- that are subject
5 to the report of the Attorney General, Charlene McGowan.
6 If you'd like to...
7 MS. MCGOWAN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. From the
8 Attorney General's report, I'm presenting a number of
9 consent orders that the -- that our office negotiated with
10 the respondents in the cases that are listed on the
11 agenda. It includes one consent order with Clayton County
12 that resolves two cases. SEB 2016-023 and 2016-114.
13 I also have four final orders to present to the
14 Board. Three of them are orders dismissing the case. Two
15 of the cases the respondents that are named are deceased.
16 So we're recommending that those cases be dismissed. As
17 well as SEB 2020-008 involving the city of Milan in
18 Telfair County. Our office has concluded that no
19 violation occurred in that case, and we’re recommending
20 that the Board dismiss the case. One of them is a
21 reprimand and a cease and desist order.
22 So if the Board has any questions about any
23 individual case, I'm happy to entertain your questions.
24 Otherwise, we recommend that the Board approve the consent
25 orders and final orders submitted by the Attorney
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1 General's Office.
2 MR. DUFFEY: I just have a question looking at these
3 as a coherent whole that we're looking at your recommended
4 remedies. It looks like you have listened carefully to
5 people who self-reported their violations and that that
6 impacted what you're recommending that we do, and we had
7 talked about doing that. Is that something that you're
8 still looking at?
9 MS. MCGOWN: Yes, particularly cases involving county
10 elections officials where they self-report we certainly
11 take that into account and appreciate counties taking that
12 action.
13 MR. DUFFEY: Good. Does anybody on the Board have
14 any questions about the -- the cases in the proposed
15 disposition by the Attorney General that are listed on the
16 agenda?
17 DR. JOHNSTON: So I in the case of 030 where the
18 Gwinnett County self-reported and I appreciate -- I really
19 appreciate self-reporting and that adds an opportunity for
20 improvement. However, there were multiple problems in
21 that case where 15 of 27 poll precincts did not open on
22 time. So given the -- that these multiple allegations
23 were self-reported and hopefully the plan is provided that
24 they won't -- that this won't happen again. What's really
25 needed is just a cease and desist?
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1 MS. MCGOWAN: So this -- this is the case you're
2 asking about which is 2020-030, involving Gwinnett County.
3 The -- the meeting when that case was presided, I believe
4 it was, sometime over the summer at a recent meeting. At
5 that particular meeting the county attorney was present
6 and presented on behalf of the county and the Board at
7 that time asked the county attorney if the county would be
8 willing to agree to this particular remedy. So when the
9 Board voted to send the case over to our office, that was
10 the recommendation of the Board at the time. And so we
11 just simply (inaudible) the remedy that the Board
12 requested during this meeting.
13 DR. JOHNSTON: Okay. So it seems like violations and
14 no penalty, what will -- but there will be a record of
15 this that we might ask about it in the future.
16 MS. MCGOWAN: The signed consent order is a part of
17 the record, that is correct.
18 MR. DUFFEY: Do those get filed in the county for --
19 or do we file this in Fulton County?
20 MS. MCGOWAN: No. They're just maintained as part of
21 our records and if there ever became a need to move to
22 enforce the terms of the consent order, that's when it
23 would be filed with the court.
24 MR. DUFFEY: Any other questions of Ms. McGowan?
25 DR. JOHNSTON: I have a question, Judge. In some of
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1 these violations I'm looking for consistency and some of
2 these there is -- they're similar violations rolled into
3 one case. And I just, I guess, I question if there are
4 two violations that occurred over three locations, but we
5 only agreed to a minimal civil penalty, would it fair to
6 consider that there are actually six violations that
7 occurred?
8 MR. DUFFEY: Well, that's -- you can always do that.
9 Recognize the process here and -- and anybody who's a
10 respondent is -- is going to know what happened.
11 Universal -- universal conclusive remedy and they often
12 talk in general terms about all -- all the violations and
13 what would be appropriate with respect to all of them. Of
14 course, if we decide that we wanted to do that, we would
15 have to send it back to the general -- Attorney General's
16 Office. They would have to renegotiate a consent order.
17 DR. JOHNSTON: So maybe it could be for future cases
18 in consideration of -- of multiple violations that are
19 included in a single case could be considered maybe a
20 stronger fine or penalty.
21 MR. DUFFEY: Maybe maybe not depends on what the
22 Attorney General's Office believes would be a fair and
23 just resolution based upon the totality of the content
24 that’s being resolved.
25 DR. JOHNSTON: Thank you.
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1 MR. DUFFEY: Well, I don't -- I'm not speaking for
2 you, well, I guess, I am speaking for you. But it's only
3 -- because I’ve been a lawyer too, so...
4 MS. MCGOWAN: Well, talking about the specific case
5 that you are referring to. I will say that we do take
6 into account the nature of the infraction, the ability of
7 the respondent to pay, a number of things. Any -- any
8 extenuating circumstances and mitigating factors that may
9 warrant a reduction and what the fine may otherwise be and
10 these are all negotiated settlements.
11 MS. GHAZAL: If I may, Judge. One note I want to
12 make sure that the public who is listening is aware of is
13 that part of the -- the settlement with Gwinnett County
14 and -- and the fact that we are issuing a letter, Gwinnett
15 County also agreed to -- used its resources to hire a
16 consultant to review their processes and that is part --
17 that is part of the consent order. So that they are
18 taking active -- additional active steps to ameliorate the
19 circumstances that led to the violation in -- in the
20 beginning and I think that is -- that is certainly a
21 resolution that I'm in favor of. Is -- is putting the
22 resources in -- in a way that we won't see this again and
23 voters won't be inconvenienced again in -- in the future.
24 And I think that's one of the sort of more unusual
25 features of this particular agreement.
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1 MS. MCGOWAN: Yes, that is correct. Gwinnett County
2 did agree to retain a consultant that's part of this
3 consent order and I appreciate you making a note of that.
4 MR. DUFFEY: All right. Is there a motion to approve
5 the consent orders -- consolidated consent orders and
6 final orders recommended by the Attorney General's Office?
10 MR. DUFFEY: It's been moved and seconded to accept
11 the recommendations of the Attorney General's Office with
12 respect to its consent orders and final orders. Is there
13 any discussion?
14 (No response)
15 MR. DUFFEY: Well, there be no discussion. All those
16 in favor of the motion say aye.
19 (No response)
20 MR. DUFFEY: The motion carries. Thank you. Thank
21 you.
22 MS. MCGOWAN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
23 MR. DUFFEY: So the final part of our meeting is the
24 public comment section. I have more people on the list
25 that are here. So I assume that this will be short and
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1 fewer comments then we expected. We begin first with
2 Mr. Balbona.
3 MR. BALBONA: Afternoon, Your Honor. I was just
4 going to speak about one thing. I had a question. And I
5 -- I'm an election nerd so on election night this mid-
6 term, I was just taking screen shots of the election night
7 reporting website, (inaudible) website. And I sent a -- I
8 -- I noticed something that was odd, and I sent an email
9 to the Henry County Elections Director, Ameika Pitts last
10 week.
11 And I sent another email yesterday and I cc'd it to
12 Blake Evans who is here earlier but isn't here now. And
13 in short, the totals for Warnock and Walker both went
14 down. Warnock's totals went down 2,654 votes and Walker's
15 went down 495 votes. The first screen shot I took was at
16 11:02 and the second one I took was at 11:27. So within
17 25 minutes 3,149 votes disappeared out of Henry County.
18 And I just wanted to know what happened?
19 Now, the second thing I wasn't going to talk about
20 but since you guys brought it up, I will. I'm very glad
21 to hear that the State Election Board is concerned about
22 fraudulent complaints because I had a fraudulent
23 allegation made against me. And I haven't done a
24 complaint about it because I don't know who to give that
25 to. Either Cobb County's Elections Director or the SOS or
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1 both made false felony allegations against me. They
2 stated in 2020-077, that's the case number. I got a
3 notification letter sent certified mail and as you were
4 pointing out they bundled all seven of my complaints for
5 Cobb County into one case.
6 And I was very interested to see that I was a
7 respondent, seven of them, my complaints, complaint
8 responded and they're charging me. And what they were
9 alleging was that I violated O.C.G.A. 21-2-566 which is
10 interfering with an election. Which I had nothing to do
11 and they also had put in subsection 2 which said I
12 threatened violence. Which absolutely is not me. I'm a
13 lover, not a fighter, okay. So when I provided to my
14 investigator, his name is Gill Gaines, a digital audio
15 recording taken on a digital recorder just like the one in
16 front of you.
17 Of the entire time since the poll closed and all my
18 time at the polling location that showed that shadow of a
19 doubt that none of this was true. And he verified that
20 that no it was not true. And I am trying to find what
21 mechanism or agency I have to hold either (unintelligible)
22 or the Secretary of State's Investigations Department
23 accountable because they said four people accused me of
24 this. The Marietta Police Department, which only spoke to
25 one person who's the commanding officer. He's the guy who
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1 I helped develop the training material on election code
2 for Marietta Police.
3 MR. DUFFEY: Mr. Balbona, remember this is only two
4 minutes.
5 MR. BALBONA: Okay. He said -- he said he didn't do
6 it. He -- they said that they're a supervisor, that area
7 supervisor didn't even run -- work that election. They
8 said that a security guard. I spoke to him, he said he
9 never said anything of such. The only person that I can’t
10 verify is the poll manager who's the one who told the
11 security guard to get rid of me, okay.
12 So and I've also done a records request for the
13 investigator's notes. Everything is in. It's stamped and
14 it doesn't even say anything about any of that. So who's
15 watching the watchman? You’re going to get complaint
16 about that very soon and I'm interested to see how you
17 respond to it. Thanks for your time.
18 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you. Ms. Hillegas?
19 (No response)
20 MR. DUFFEY: Ms. Jensen?
21 (No response)
22 MR. DUFFEY: Mr. Massey?
23 (No response)
24 MR. DUFFEY: Ms. Sutton?
25 (No response)
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1 MR. DUFFEY: Ms. Reboredo?
2 MR. BALBONA: Respreto?
3 MR. DUFFEY: Maybe. R-E-B-O-R-E-D-O?
4 (No response)
5 MR. DUFFEY: Ms. Abirahnan?
6 (No response)
7 MR. DUFFEY: Ms. Battles?
8 MS. BATTLES: Oh.
9 MR. DUFFEY: Mr. Buckner?
10 MR. DUFFEY: Sorry about that. You're Ms. Battle?
11 MS. BATTLES: Battles.
12 MR. DUFFEY: Battles. Thank you.
13 MS. BATTLES: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
14 Thank you as always for the opportunity to make public
15 comments. My name is Cindy Battles, and I am policy
16 director for the Georgia Coalition for the Peoples Agenda
17 and in addition along with our program director, we
18 co-lead one of the largest bill programs in election
19 protection in the state of Georgia.
20 And some of the things that y’all have mentioned
21 today, including the unsustainable cost of elections is
22 one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to y’all. Because
23 there seems to be this idea that there were not long lines
24 on election day, there was not voter disenfranchisement.
25 But there was and a large part of that came from the
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1 unsustainable cost that SB 202 put on the counties.
2 Including $1.8 million for special ballot paper per
3 election. Which for some reason we hardly ever talk about
4 in this room. And that is an estimated cost by the
5 sponsor -- the original sponsor of that bill.
6 So one of the things that we saw in early voting was
7 counties not being able to hire additional staff because
8 they didn't have the money to run these runoffs. I stood
9 in line for two and a half hours and that was one of the
10 shorter ones. In addition, you've got situations where
11 staff are working too hard, and they've got things like
12 voter challenges to deal with. Which by the way, most of
13 those are unsustained, so going back to what we were
14 talking about about consequences for frivolous
15 accusations. These voter challenges are taking up like a
16 large amount of time for election workers and boards of
17 election.
18 But then we have things happening where the Secretary
19 of State is either not providing adequate communication
20 with the election supervisors of counties or those
21 election supervisors aren't having the opportunity to talk
22 to their poll managers and poll staff. So I don't know if
23 y’all have been watching the number of -- of OPPs that had
24 been dismissed because election staff weren't fully
25 trained on how to do those. But there's at least 200 in
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2 And we're still working on getting those numbers.
3 And it's simple things, like the affidavit that was
4 supposed to be filled out, wasn't filled out properly or
5 it wasn't -- it wasn't filled out at all. Or election
6 supervisors didn't realize that they couldn't give a new
7 piece to someone before five. You've got counties where
8 people didn't get their new precinct cards after
9 redistricting who went to what they thought was their
10 location and they had to fill out -- they had to vote at a
11 provisional ballot and now they don't -- their ballot
12 isn't counted at all.
13 I don't care who they voted for. I care about the
14 fact that they made the effort to go vote and that vote
15 wasn't counted. Whether it's a lack of staff, a lack of
16 training, a lack of communication. One of the other
17 situations that we had is we had talked to the Secretary
18 of State -- one minute -- of the Secretary of State about
19 providing guidance on voter challenges because they're
20 allowed to submit to 30 challenges even up to five p.m. on
21 election day. They didn't do that until Friday before
22 early voting started.
23 And then when we were calling counties, election
24 staff didn't know what they were supposed to do with those
25 voter challenges. So you've got several different
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1 problems. But all of them stem from a -- a system that is
2 just being strained to a breaking point. So I would
3 really appreciate it if the State Election Board would
4 have conversations with both the Georgia Assembly and the
5 Secretary of State to help alleviate that. That's all.
6 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you, Ms. Battles.
7 MS. BATTLES: (Inaudible) You missed your turn.
8 MR. DUFFEY: This is what's called grace.
9 MR. ABRIAHNAN: Thank you for your indulgence, Chair
10 Duffey, esteemed members of the Board. My name is Vasu
11 Abriahnan, senior policy counsel with the ACLU of Georgia.
12 I was also a poll worker last week at a polling location
13 that served almost 1200 voters.
14 I want to piggyback off a couple of things that Cindy
15 was saying. So I do appreciate that this Board and you
16 Chair Duffey have set an intention to be deliberate, to be
17 evidence-based, to be transparent and collaborate when it
18 comes to elections policy. It could be intricate. It
19 could be technical. We're talking about court rulings
20 that had interplayed operations from the state and from
21 localities and from the state legislature.
22 It's important that all of these things become
23 compatible with each other and that's why these things
24 take time. I think what we've seen in this past cycle are
25 the results of a process that was not deliberate,
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1 evidence-based and transparent. However, 202 was created
2 was rushed, was closed door and was evidence free. And
3 that's why we see things like a convoluted voter challenge
4 statue where the interplay between 229 and 230 challenges
5 is just very hard to discern and ten reasonable people can
6 come to 20 different interpretations of that statute.
7 So anything that you all can do to help set that kind
8 of methodology for everyone involved in elections policy
9 making would benefit the system a lot. And I want to talk
10 a little bit about the lines that we saw during the
11 four-week runoff. The four-week runoff was just not a
12 good idea. I think at this point we all know that it was
13 implemented, again, in this rushed fashion because we
14 didn't want any gap between election day and the
15 registration deadline for the runoff. There were a lot of
16 reasons on the other side to not do what the legislature
17 did.
18 And we saw a system that was strained past its
19 breaking point in this past cycle. I waited for two hours
20 myself in order to cast my ballot. But it did also expose
21 a couple of gaps in how things are set up in the system.
22 For example, we have a requirement around the number of
23 ballot marking devices in the system on election day. But
24 the code and the rule, they're silent on a number of
25 check-in stations and they're silent on for scanners that
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1 you need in a location where a voter has to check-in and
2 they have to mark their ballot and then they have to scan
3 their ballot.
4 All three are important if a bottleneck is created at
5 one station. It doesn't really matter how much you have
6 at the other stations, and the point location where I
7 voted, we had 20 ballot marking devices and at the most
8 four or five people voting all at the same time. We have
9 to show our ballot, of course, and we all know at this
10 point that we should have had more check-in stations and I
11 think the blame is shared among many different parties for
12 why we didn't have enough check-in stations for early
13 voting across the state of Georgia and why we saw that
14 problem at check-in.
15 Now, we did see some progress in some of the
16 counties. The county that started early voting before
17 everyone, Douglas County, Cobb County, as well. They were
18 running a poll pad pilot project that made check-ins much
19 faster across the system and I would love to see some
20 progress within the next two years, not only to get more
21 people on that poll pad pilot project, but also to engage
22 in the kind of technical and operational tweaks that make
23 all the difference in this system. As we get down into
24 the granular, technical details, if we have a commitment
25 to go slow. To get these details right, we can make the
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2 So, again, I appreciate the intention that this Board
3 has said. And I hope that that intention continues, and
4 it spreads across all the policy making entities in our
5 state for elections. Thank you.
6 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you very much. Mr. Buckner?
7 (No response)
8 MR. DUFFEY: Ms. Buckner?
9 (No response)
10 MR. DUFFEY: Protect the vote Georgia Cofounder, no
11 name?
12 (No response)
13 MR. DUFFEY: Ms. Allen?
14 MS. ALLEN: Did you say Allen?
15 MR. DUFFEY: Allen.
16 MS. ALLEN: Yes. Thank you so much for the privilege
17 to speak before you. Our elections are vital, and your
18 work is incredible. I voted early in Fulton County for
19 the Senate runoff election. I respectfully offer my
20 feedback and experience. I'm a mid-town resident. I've
21 been watching the Fulton Votes ad all week to determine
22 when and how to vote. Much like that's been expressed
23 here, I drove past Milton an Alpharetta library on
24 Tuesday, no way did I have time to wait in those lines.
25 On Friday, we finally drove to South Fulton Service
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1 Center where the wait time was shown to be zero minutes
2 when we arrived. At the same time the wait was showing me
3 180 minutes at the Milton library. Were there really only
4 ten early voting locations in North Fulton? On Wednesday
5 somebody fainted at the Alpharetta Library. Thursday, the
6 same in Roswell. Both required EMS to show up. The
7 person in Roswell stated they were light headed due to
8 lack of food.
9 Each county runs elections individually. The
10 responsibility for this debacle is Interim Elections
11 Director, Nadine Williams, alone, in Fulton County. Wait
12 times of 120 minutes every day at the Milton Library,
13 Alpharetta Library, screams of voter suppression. Four
14 polling locations with wait times zero to 20 minutes all
15 within close proximity within the city of South Fulton is
16 great but what happened to the rest of Fulton?
17 My experience of just undeniably that Fulton County,
18 Georgia voters are being driven to mail-in ballots. Early
19 voting is promoted everywhere. Atlanta votes early signs
20 are everywhere. However, how many voting locations have
21 been reduced in the run off election. The High Museum,
22 John’s Creek Environmental Center are examples of reliable
23 highly used early voting locations that were not used in
24 the runoff election. Why?
25 Voters are being herded like cattle to mail-in
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2 -- in person. That's a reasonable conclusion based on our
3 experience that others have shared. However, the voter
4 can't even verify for whom their ballot's cast. Every
5 voter has the unacceptable election day challenge
6 regarding the fact that no human can verify their votes
7 within the two dimensional barcode unlawfully printed on
8 the ballots and used by the ballot tabulators to count the
9 votes. QR codes need to go. Voting machines need to go.
10 Voting centers need to go. We need local precinct voting.
11 Early voting needs to go. Mail-in ballots need to go
12 except for verifiable need-based examples, such as the
13 military and those who are ill or unable. Democracy dies
14 in the darkness.
15 Fulton County needs to stop manipulating voters.
16 This is on Nadine Williams. Nadine must own this voter
17 suppression experience in North Fulton. Counties have
18 full authority over the number of locations, number of
19 voting machines, number of staff members they provide in
20 each location. The Fulton County failure to (inaudible)
21 Interim Elections Director, Nadine Williams. I spoke
22 yesterday before the Fulton County Board of Elections and
23 Registrations. Their comments and response to my comments
24 was to dilute North Fulton concerns by dividing Fulton
25 into thirds. Instead of (unintelligible) this out, they
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1 compared North Fulton with South Fulton and eliminate
2 Atlanta from the conversation.
3 MR. DUFFEY: Ms. Allen, you only got a couple more
4 seconds.
5 MS. ALLEN: Okay. (Unintelligible) stations don't
6 solve the problems. I ask this Board and our state
7 legislators to clean out Fulton County. Hiring two of
8 Georgia's top criminal defense attorneys and filing
9 paperwork to halt the audit proceedings previously ordered
10 by a judge, doesn't inspire confidence in the Fulton
11 County Board of Elections. We need to see that you all
12 are committed to free and -- elections and clean up the
13 mess in Fulton County. I've proposed ways to do that.
14 Thank you so much.
15 MR. DUFFEY: Ms. Wall?
16 (No response)
17 MR. DUFFEY: Mr. Metz?
18 MR. METZ: Judge, you might want to turn this
19 microphone down a little bit. We're getting some booming
20 before. Greetings State Election Board members. Thank
21 you for hearing me. I've only got seven pages to get
22 through so listen in a hurry. I am pretty sure --
23 MR. DUFFEY: You've got two minutes.
24 MR. METZ: I know.
25 MR. DUFFEY: Read fast.
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1 MR. METZ: I'm fairly certain you all got a copy of
2 what we call the verified notice of forthcoming voidable
3 election bla, bla, bla. We sent it to each of you and
4 each of the 159 counties regarding (unintelligible) rule.
5 And Georgia statute O.C.G.A. 21-2-320 and 321. Which
6 essentially says that all municipalities are supposed to
7 put forth any changes in the voting from paper ballots to
8 machine. They're supposed to pass a referendum on that.
9 Furthermore, it also states in 321 that a referendum
10 must be passed in order to increase the taxes to pay for
11 stuff like all the traditional stuff that goes with the
12 Dominion voting system. You’ve already heard testimony
13 today and we're spending millions on -- on special paper.
14 I saw an invoice from Fulton County for $800,000 for one
15 election for -- for the special paper used by the ballot
16 marking devices. And when it comes down to it, if you
17 trace the bread crumbs back to the very beginning of all
18 of this.
19 The original voting system put in place the Diebold
20 DRVs were put in place without such a referendum. So
21 there have not been any counties from our canvass of open
22 record requests that had shown that they have put forth
23 the prescribed referendum to go from paper ballots to
24 machines. Furthermore, they have not put forth a
25 referendum to increase the budget to accommodate for the
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2 because we are still fighting to get rid of the Dominion
3 system and go back to pre-printed paper ballots like they
4 did for 200 years. They're still doing it in Europe.
5 Every developed country, except the United States, only
6 votes on paper.
7 You know, the most top secret materials in all of the
8 Department of Defense and everywhere else only uses paper
9 for their most vital, important records. They don't use
10 anything electronic. And I just want you to know that you
11 guys have the authority under the SEB rules to force
12 statewide and recount of the paper ballots. On
13 September 28th (unintelligible) couldn’t be any more
14 explicit when he said the official records of the election
15 are the paper ballots printed by the ballot marking
16 device. Why not leave it paper ballots printed by the
17 ballot marking device and hand count. We've hand counted
18 for over 200 years in this country alone.
19 So I'm just begging you to please consider allowing
20 counties to get rid of the whole other side of the
21 Dominion system and go back to paper ballots. Unless and
22 until they pass the referendum. And that's all I have to
23 say today. Thank you very much for your time.
24 MR. DUFFEY: Thank you very much. Ms. Hayden Hooks?
25 (No response)
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2 read this?
3 MS. KELLING: He's not here. That was the Sumter
4 matter.
5 MR. DUFFEY: What's that?
6 MS. KELLING: That was the Sumter matter.
7 MR. DUFFEY: What's his last name?
8 MS. KELLING: Howard.
9 MR. DUFFEY: Howard. Really? And Garland Favorito?
10 (No response)
11 MR. BALBONA: He may be parking his car.
12 MR. DUFFEY: This is the last of the list. Is there
13 anybody who had signed up who's not been called?
14 (No response)
15 MR. DUFFEY: Okay. So that's the last order of
16 business on the agenda. Is there anything else that the
17 Board wants to bring up before we adjourn?
18 (No response)
19 MR. DUFFEY: Is there a motion to adjourn?
20 MR. LINDSEY: So moved.
21 MR. DUFFEY: Second?
23 MR. DUFFEY: All those in favor of adjourning say
24 aye.
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3 MR. DUFFEY: We are adjourned. Thank you. Thank you
4 everybody for coming. We appreciate your participation
5 and your presence.
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CERTIFICATE
STATE OF GEORGIA
COUNTY OF GWINNETT
I, Rebecca, Certified Court Reporter, hereby certify that
the foregoing pages numbered 3 through 189 constitute a true,
correct, and accurate transcript of the testimony heard before
me, an officer duly authorized to administer oaths, and was
transcribed under my supervision.
I further certify that I am a disinterested party to
this action and that I am neither of kin nor counsel to
any of the parties hereto.
In witness whereof, I hereby affix my hand on this,
the 12th day of January 2023.
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Rebecca Barr
My commission expires April 1, 2023.
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18:18;20:13,13,18, 179:11 adds (1) 173:23;174:1 allegations (27)
22,25;21:7;22:2; across (11) 168:19 agency (3) 30:13;31:1,5;33:13;
151:5;155:23;172:10 34:7;44:9;52:20; adequate (2) 89:22;141:23; 36:15;48:1;63:5,9,14;
acceptable (1) 54:3;100:2,2;104:8, 162:14;177:19 174:21 69:19;70:13;73:4;
91:2 16;181:13,19;182:4 adjourn (3) agenda (15) 79:17;85:15;86:2,22;
acceptance (1) acted (1) 166:1;188:17,19 23:10;27:12;28:13; 114:13;153:25;
8:16 87:8 adjourned (2) 29:13;59:22;65:17, 154:24;157:10,12;
accepted (4) acting (2) 189:3,6 18;69:11;90:11; 161:8;162:9,16,20;
32:3,8;111:17; 92:8;131:2 adjourning (1) 120:15;140:9;167:11; 168:22;174:1
115:10 action (8) 188:23 168:16;176:16; allege (1)
accepting (2) 26:1;51:16;68:7; adjust (1) 188:16 86:21
9:8,9 74:18;91:1;129:15; 24:13 aggrieved (1) alleged (4)
access (9) 139:22;168:12 administer (4) 101:19 64:13;126:23;
76:18;113:23; actions (3) 10:6;11:17;12:2,21 ago (3) 148:12;154:22
131:6,12,17;133:7; 52:6;64:13;151:25 administration (2) 25:24;51:19;149:19 allegedly (1)
135:16;139:25; activation (2) 8:18;9:10 agree (15) 90:18
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (1) $1.8 - allegedly
December 13, 2022
alleges (2) 22:5;23:8;27:3 applied (1) arrow (1) 122:25

85:18;113:11 Americus (1) 109:12 78:20 attitude (2)
Allegiance (2) 133:13 apply (1) Assembly (30) 113:21;116:19
3:7,20 among (1) 14:21 8:16,21;9:5,8,12, Attorney (46)
alleging (2) 181:11 applying (1) 18;10:9;11:25;12:6; 29:16;32:22;35:24;
86:16;174:9 amount (3) 123:7 14:14;16:4,5,11,18; 48:24;49:18;50:10,
Allen (7) 23:21;133:25; appreciate (23) 17:2,14;18:13,20; 13;52:7;56:9,15,17,
182:13,14,14,15,16; 177:16 5:15,15;17:22;24:7; 19:5,8,11,15,20,24; 23;62:22;63:2,12;
185:3,5 and/or (2) 49:8,9;65:21;67:19; 20:6;21:23;22:12,18; 64:1,5;77:16;84:3;
alleviate (1) 127:11,14 92:9;99:9,9;107:4; 88:8;179:4 96:13,25;121:6;
179:5 Andersonville (1) 133:12;147:25;159:9; Assembly's (1) 130:1,23;133:12;
allocate (1) 142:20 168:11,18,19;172:3; 18:23 138:8;139:4,19;
142:3 Andre (1) 179:3,15;182:2;189:4 assessment (1) 141:14,15;152:20;
allow (8) 35:23 approach (1) 142:1 153:15;154:17,23;
14:12;19:25;27:6; Angeline (1) 15:17 assigned (2) 155:12;157:20;167:5,
28:1;74:17;95:1; 93:1 appropriate (11) 57:18;61:21 8,25;168:15;169:5,7;
139:20;142:1 Angie (1) 18:25;48:21,22; assignment (1) 170:15,22;172:6,11
allowed (11) 132:7 50:9;51:5;56:21; 18:16 attorneys (1)
34:16;38:14;41:11; announce (1) 57:22;59:21;62:18; assignments (1) 185:8
42:4;55:23;113:22; 6:24 163:19;170:13 4:7 Attorney's (1)
116:14,15;121:3; anonymous (1) appropriately (1) assist (5) 155:18
152:25;178:20 73:1 87:9 14:19;78:18;81:9; audio (1)
allowing (5) answered (1) approve (7) 82:4;127:18 174:14
133:6;142:10; 56:16 7:18,22;8:4,8;20:9; assistance (2) audio/video (1)
147:25;152:25; anticipate (1) 167:24;172:4 90:12;136:21 41:15
187:19 25:10 approved (3) Assistant (1) audit (4)
all's (1) Antoine (1) 7:15;8:2;29:4 35:24 108:13,21;159:11;
148:24 33:25 approving (1) assisted (5) 185:9
almost (4) Anymore (4) 98:24 28:2;127:5,10,12, August (9)
151:17;163:3,6; 19:2;105:22;152:6, approximately (4) 15 7:15,17,22;8:15;
179:13 8 34:8;114:10; assisting (4) 9:21;11:5;30:8;31:25;
alone (2) apart (1) 156:16;160:18 126:23;127:8,20; 136:12
183:11;187:18 5:24 April (5) 128:1 authentication (1)
along (8) apartment (1) 25:15;29:6;36:10; associated (1) 13:13
18:24;24:23;71:16; 86:7 40:12;46:24 163:4 authorities (3)
80:15;84:19;87:2; apologies (1) Archie (26) assume (2) 26:10;49:11;103:10
98:12;176:17 85:6 30:22,23,25;31:3,5; 126:5;172:25 authority (7)
Alpharetta (3) apologize (2) 32:16,17,19,24;33:4, assuming (1) 49:20;53:18;135:4;
182:23;183:5,13 85:7;140:5 8,11;45:16;46:2; 28:11 141:8;151:8;184:18;
alternative (1) apparently (1) 47:16;48:4,8;72:22, assurance (1) 187:11
71:5 90:23 24;73:3,11,15,18; 50:15 available (12)
alternatives (1) appear (6) 127:7,23,25 assured (1) 10:23;13:3;21:12;
90:12 51:12;71:1;130:14; area (8) 7:10 24:17,18;25:11,12;
Although (5) 148:9;158:14;161:3 11:22;17:5;18:19; Atlanta (7) 28:2,6;72:1;90:13;
3:24;78:21;89:1; appearance (1) 27:8;69:24;70:2; 7:1,7,9;136:25; 158:17
106:5;117:18 70:23 151:9;175:6 149:12;183:19;185:2 avoid (2)
always (15) appeared (3) areas (2) attach (1) 78:24;158:21
5:24;6:5;9:16; 83:20;131:21; 12:9;13:25 54:19 award (1)
80:16;93:12;95:12, 156:20 argue (1) attached (2) 13:2
16;96:14;98:2; appears (6) 138:22 48:13;78:14 aware (5)
120:21;130:2;145:18; 52:14;68:8;124:16; argument (1) attempt (3) 17:6;19:8;84:13;
163:3;170:8;176:14 162:7,10,18 149:1 78:24;87:20;109:24 160:1;171:12
Ameika (1) Applause (1) arguments (1) attempting (1) away (6)
173:9 4:20 140:11 113:18 18:16;62:1;77:12;
ameliorate (1) applicant (1) around (12) attempts (1) 100:16,16;145:9
171:18 119:13 36:6;41:8;42:20; 113:17 aye (47)
amended (2) application (5) 43:1;105:10;142:25; attend (2) 7:23,24;8:9,10;
20:10;22:5 10:18;11:17;13:2; 143:2;144:16;145:8; 65:23;130:10 20:24;22:5,6;63:21,
amendment (7) 31:17;122:25 147:18,20;180:22 attended (1) 22;65:5,6;76:2,3;
7:14;13:18;18:18; applications (9) arrangements (1) 8:15 82:22,23;84:23,24;
21:19,20,22;22:3 12:23,23,24;14:16; 7:12 attention (3) 91:18,19;107:17,18;
amendments (9) 21:10,16;31:13; arrived (2) 93:11,23;95:18 110:24,25;113:1,2;
20:14;21:1,3,4,8,9; 109:14,16 61:13;183:2 attesting (1) 118:16,17;124:6,7;
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (2) alleges - aye
December 13, 2022
126:11,12;128:9,10; 41:10,17;44:4,7; behavior (8) BMDs (2) 114:5

129:21,22;155:4,5; 45:17;47:8,18;57:13; 12:18;48:17,22; 114:8;160:12 boxes (3)
156:7,8;165:18,19; 58:8;59:8;62:2,3,9; 49:1;84:14;95:13; Board (126) 112:1;146:7,7
166:13,14;172:16,17; 67:11,25;108:12,15, 97:3;103:13 3:3;4:5;5:3,11;7:17, brand (2)
188:24,25 19;109:15;110:3,5,9; behind (5) 24;8:10;9:7,7,18; 36:4;38:18
112:1,2;113:22,24; 38:21;99:16; 10:3;11:5;12:9,14,21; bread (1)
B 114:5,22;115:2,5,8,9, 114:14;138:19; 18:15;19:1,3;20:18; 186:17
13,21;126:24;127:9; 143:11 21:8,12,15;22:6,16; break (1)
back (50) 132:20;146:4,4,6; behoove (1) 23:22;24:23;25:16, 148:4
18:21;22:15;37:5; 160:19;183:18;184:1, 68:25 20;26:13;28:10,16; breakdown (1)
50:25;59:22;65:12, 8,11;186:7,23;187:3, believes (1) 29:7;33:16,24,24; 50:3
22;66:2,10;80:11,13, 12,15,16,21 170:22 35:19,25;36:3;38:9; breakdowns (2)
19;82:2,6,12;95:22; ballot's (2) benefit (1) 44:21;49:19;62:17; 51:14,14
96:3,5,6,20;104:19; 55:19;184:4 180:9 63:22;65:6;66:17,20, breaking (2)
106:2,10;120:5,11,11; banners (1) Benjamin (1) 21;76:3;81:5,8,8; 179:2;180:19
125:4,8,8,22,22; 99:17 68:18 82:23;83:6;84:5,24; Briar (2)
129:6,7;133:13,23; Baptist (1) berate (1) 90:14;91:3,19;93:2; 160:23,24
138:21;143:12; 113:13 4:22 103:10;104:9;106:17; Bridges (5)
145:12;146:7;148:1; Barbara (3) best (6) 107:18;109:20; 33:20;34:20;37:21;
149:2;160:2;164:18; 126:22,24;127:14 20:12;27:24;70:20; 110:25;113:2;116:25; 42:9;62:4
166:18;167:2;170:15; barcode (1) 71:20,23;143:8 118:17;121:18,24; brief (2)
177:13;186:17;187:3, 184:7 better (11) 124:7;126:12;128:10; 31:7;66:8
21 based (10) 3:13;5:24;15:10; 129:22;130:5,9,11,14; bring (6)
background (3) 10:15,20;11:9,17; 47:16;71:11;93:19; 132:14,16;133:1,3; 28:17;55:16;86:20;
9:4;18:7;144:20 14:4;100:8;135:6; 130:8;150:9,10,13; 135:5;139:7,22; 93:23;138:5;188:17
backup (1) 148:11;170:23;184:2 182:1 141:5;142:10;147:1; bringing (1)
58:16 basically (7) beyond (3) 148:1,11;152:14; 81:22
bad (4) 9:22;10:6;11:7; 19:17;53:9;95:4 153:14;155:5;156:5, broad (1)
86:14;87:25;95:14; 72:18;73:16;103:13; big (5) 8;157:25;158:22; 98:17
150:13 150:13 38:19;39:2;66:5; 159:9;163:19;164:5, broken (1)
badge (1) basis (5) 77:7;153:3 7,15;165:19;166:14; 132:4
135:18 93:7;107:11; biggest (1) 167:3,14,20,22,24; Brooke (4)
bag (1) 116:17;159:4;162:19 47:20 168:13;169:6,9,10,11; 124:13,13,18,20
162:8 basket (1) Bill (9) 172:17;173:21;179:3, Brookhaven (2)
balanced (1) 61:25 9:5;12:11;24:18; 10,15;182:2;184:22; 160:22;161:2
47:4 bathing (1) 109:12,13,14;115:25; 185:6,11,20;188:17, brought (4)
Balbona (6) 49:12 176:18;177:5 25 47:18;93:11;95:17;
173:2,3;175:3,5; Battle (1) bi-partisan (1) Boards (2) 173:20
176:2;188:11 176:10 115:4 147:15;177:16 Bruce (2)
ballot (83) Battles (9) bit (14) Board's (1) 30:10;31:8
31:9,11,19,20;32:3; 176:7,8,11,11,12, 9:4;12:3;24:12; 140:24 buck (2)
33:15,17,18;36:23,24; 13,15;179:6,7 52:9;71:2;86:13;94:9, Bob (1) 96:9;151:4
37:6,6;44:10,14,18; became (2) 24;122:14;134:8; 108:19 Buckner (3)
45:4;54:4,13,15,16, 86:1;169:21 136:23;162:7;180:10; body (1) 176:9;182:6,8
20;55:16,17,18;57:4, become (3) 185:19 159:2 budget (4)
9,15,18,20,22,25; 11:25;19:8;179:22 bla (3) booming (1) 11:7,12;19:6;
58:1,4;59:13;61:14, began (1) 186:3,3,3 185:19 186:25
14,15,19,20,23;67:10; 116:24 Blake (1) boss (1) budgets (3)
68:13;70:4;71:13; begging (1) 173:12 131:25 11:2;13:11;135:22
83:20;84:2;110:7; 187:19 blame (1) both (15) buffer (5)
111:10,10,11,12,14, begin (8) 181:11 38:2,2,5;49:7;89:6; 99:14;100:1;101:5,
16,19,20;112:5,7,10; 3:6,16;40:25;66:21; Blanchard (1) 106:5,10;122:4,5; 10,11
114:5,10,11;115:11; 90:3;92:6;159:11; 132:6 124:15;162:11; buffer's (2)
120:25;126:20,22; 173:1 blank (1) 173:13;174:1;179:4; 100:1;101:7
127:12,15;146:11; beginning (7) 146:5 183:6 building (2)
157:1,5;177:2; 4:3;58:13;95:3; blinds (1) bottleneck (1) 86:7;137:13
178:11,11;180:20,23; 115:19;147:20; 70:1 181:4 built (1)
181:2,3,7,9;184:8; 171:20;186:17 blocked (2) bound (1) 104:9
186:15;187:15,17 begun (1) 80:16,16 140:8 bundled (1)
ballots (68) 92:3 blown (1) boundary (3) 174:4
24:18;32:7;33:22; behalf (5) 46:10 94:10;103:25; burden (3)
34:1,5,7,8,14,23;36:6; 25:19;35:22;87:10; BMD (1) 104:17 27:3;95:23;107:4
37:1,4,5,8,11;38:16; 158:22;169:6 114:21 box (1) burdens (4)
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (3) back - burdens
December 13, 2022
18:22;20:3;21:23; 89:11,19,24;96:4,5; 145:3 167:21;168:25 change (13)

25:3 99:3;100:4;105:24; Carter (1) Celestine (1) 34:20;45:3;78:13,
burdensome (1) 111:5;130:5,7,24; 28:2 30:11 17;94:17;100:9;
25:3 133:13;138:24; cascading (2) cell (6) 105:5,19;120:22;
business (3) 141:13;142:11; 57:8;58:6 34:1,16;41:12,14; 138:13;140:7;160:20;
134:6;167:3;188:16 150:23,23,24;151:11; case (99) 83:18;143:23 161:24
busy (1) 152:21;153:6;154:8; 29:18;30:5,18;31:1, Centennial (1) changed (11)
146:20 156:13;158:9;163:12, 6;36:13,22,24;38:1; 113:13 26:16;41:13;43:3,
Butler (3) 19;164:14;165:10; 44:20;48:21;57:4,23; Center (3) 16;105:13;116:4;
93:1;94:11;95:8 170:8;180:5,7; 58:14;59:24;60:3; 28:2;183:1,22 157:2;160:24;161:5,
button (1) 181:25;184:6;188:1 67:2,2,4,9,13;69:14; centers (1) 17,23
8:24 can’t (1) 74:4,7,13,24;75:17, 184:10 changes (9)
175:9 20,24;76:2,6,7;77:21, certain (8) 17:15;20:2;42:12;
C cancel (1) 21,24;82:18;83:14, 13:10;14:24;55:22, 68:7;161:15,20,21;
121:23 25;84:16;85:4;86:19; 23,24;132:19;138:12; 162:10;186:7
calendar (2) canceled (24) 89:10,11;91:17; 186:1 charge (1)
65:12;82:12 34:5,6;44:8,23; 92:13;93:6;94:4; certainly (10) 148:21
call (9) 45:17,20,24;46:4; 97:19;107:7,11,21; 3:23;25:20;97:2; charges (1)
3:2;26:25;55:1; 47:19,19;48:9;54:2, 108:6;110:11,12; 137:23;158:9,22; 141:1
79:21;94:23;96:2; 19,21;59:9,13,14; 111:4;112:13,22; 163:12,20;168:10; charging (1)
138:16;143:22;186:2 61:15;111:10,13; 113:6;115:25;118:8, 171:20 174:8
called (6) 112:5;119:8,9,21 11,16,21;121:17; certainty (1) charity (1)
94:19;95:10; cancellation (2) 124:5,11;126:19; 62:10 4:6
143:21;147:3;179:8; 44:7;146:22 128:3;130:21,22; certification (1) Charlene (2)
188:13 candid (1) 139:11;140:1;141:16; 24:1 89:21;167:5
calling (1) 88:4 144:24;147:1;149:25; certified (2) Chatham (21)
178:23 candidate (3) 150:1;155:14,18; 61:8;174:3 29:8,18;33:14,24;
came (20) 85:19;96:19;101:22 156:5,12,12;158:11; chaff (1) 35:24,25;46:18;50:3;
23:15;37:8;38:13; candidates (4) 159:3,6;167:14,19,20, 162:21 51:1;52:5;60:3,11;
39:9;47:13;70:9; 24:5;98:7;101:2; 23;168:17,21;169:1,3, chain (2) 61:9;62:4;64:11,15,
81:17;85:19;92:20; 114:1 9;170:3,19;171:4; 96:2;108:15 23;65:3,13,22;163:1
101:3,22;120:11; canvass (1) 174:2,5 Chair (5) check (7)
121:21;134:2;136:12; 186:21 cases (35) 81:4;95:1;130:11; 109:2;114:20;
137:7;140:5;145:5; capability (1) 41:2;66:15,15,18; 179:9,16 131:14;133:6;140:24;
158:11;176:25 15:5 72:22;74:14;76:8; chairing (1) 143:11;144:14
camera (1) capable (1) 107:22;119:3,5,10; 83:4 checked (5)
3:5 163:5 120:21;123:20; Chairman (55) 31:12;43:25;44:20;
cameras (1) capacity (3) 128:17,18,25;129:1, 7:19;8:5,23;9:1; 54:22;132:2
14:25 97:1;157:24;163:17 10,11;132:19;155:11, 12:12;13:16;16:21; check-in (5)
campaign (10) capital (4) 17,20;162:8,15; 18:17;20:11;21:13, 180:25;181:1,10,
75:8;95:9;97:4; 11:10,23;14:5;16:3 163:2;165:23;167:4, 17,18;22:3,15,25; 12,14
98:2;101:24;102:10, car (2) 10,12,15,16;168:9,14; 23:4;35:19;49:4; check-ins (1)
13;103:4;104:17; 76:21;188:11 170:17 50:11;53:23;54:1; 181:18
105:13 card (1) cast (4) 62:19;63:5;64:8; Cherry (1)
campaigning (7) 114:9 47:8;62:10;180:20; 65:11,19;74:9;78:2; 70:10
92:22;99:19;101:1, cards (4) 184:4 82:15;87:4;88:12; Chief (3)
8,17;102:4,6 113:24;114:7; categories (2) 91:3,12,23;92:12,16; 6:2;30:25;134:5
Campbell (2) 134:6;178:8 13:20;46:5 94:3;96:24;97:21; chilling (1)
108:18;110:3 care (2) category (3) 108:3;119:25;125:5; 87:19
Can (88) 178:13,13 14:5;89:14;158:25 126:6;128:4,15; Chitwood (1)
3:8,15;7:8;9:19,20; careful (3) cathedral (1) 141:7;145:3;150:8; 143:10
11:20;12:24;13:9; 19:8;90:25;149:24 149:13 155:13;162:2;166:3, choice (1)
14:23;17:8;21:6; carefully (1) cattle (1) 23;167:7;172:7,22 95:3
22:22;25:4,4;27:3; 168:4 183:25 challenge (2) choose (1)
28:12;29:2,2,15;30:1, Carnes' (1) caught (2) 180:3;184:5 56:24
15;31:2;35:3,4,11,12, 142:16 135:24;138:18 challenges (6) chose (1)
16;39:23;40:25; carries (11) cause (3) 177:12,15;178:19, 83:22
45:13,13,16,16;50:22; 91:22;111:3;113:5; 15:20;68:15;138:23 20,25;180:4 chosen (1)
55:4;56:16;59:22; 118:20;124:10; caused (2) Chambliss (1) 59:12
60:24;62:9,10;64:16, 126:15;128:13; 68:7;153:1 146:18 Chris (3)
16;65:13;66:5;67:18; 129:25;155:8;156:11; cc'd (1) chance (5) 143:21;144:24;
76:12;79:12,12;81:7, 172:20 173:11 17:16;22:13;25:24; 145:12
7;82:12;83:15;85:11; Carson (1) cease (2) 80:23;81:22 Christian (3)
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (4) burdensome - Christian
December 13, 2022
108:16;160:23; clicked (1) 164:15 14;90:15;108:24; 70:15;80:21;88:3;

161:2 68:12 comfortable (1) 109:24 93:20;107:4;184:24
Church (8) client (1) 164:16 complainant's (4) conclude (1)
77:1,11;79:10;80:2, 49:12 coming (9) 99:12,12;107:4,6 123:11
25;113:13;160:23; close (2) 17:19;18:21;47:11; complained (3) concluded (1)
161:2 55:13;183:15 70:19;89:8;96:9;99:3; 94:13;99:18;101:2 167:18
churches (1) closed (3) 138:20;189:4 complaining (3) concludes (1)
149:11 42:13;174:17;180:2 command (1) 86:15;102:23;105:5 165:23
Cindy (2) closely (2) 96:2 complains (1) conclusion (1)
176:15;179:14 10:8;17:1 commanding (1) 93:14 184:2
circumstances (3) closing (1) 174:25 complaint (44) conclusive (1)
52:1;171:8,19 146:17 comment (13) 56:7;67:21,24; 170:11
cited (5) closures (1) 12:14;13:1;19:5; 69:18;72:7;74:8; conduct (8)
50:21;133:17; 161:18 22:23;25:12;49:5; 76:14;81:10;82:21; 28:3;52:4;59:1;
134:20;135:1;158:25 cloud (1) 57:3;74:4,5;87:2; 85:16,18;87:11,13; 88:2;93:15;98:24;
citing (3) 90:8 88:14;109:20;172:24 88:23,24;89:22,23; 114:15;154:21
116:11;136:6;148:7 Coalition (1) comments (16) 90:4,19;92:8,20,21; conducted (10)
citizen (1) 176:16 13:4;15:25;16:1; 100:8;102:7,8; 14:12;32:1;36:7;
55:18 Cobb (6) 17:22;21:11;57:2; 104:19;105:15,18; 84:7;86:16;115:24;
citizens (2) 159:10;164:11,22; 59:18;72:13;88:9; 108:14;109:12,21; 116:2,4;153:18;
5:4;11:14 173:25;174:5;181:17 93:2;119:1,2;173:1; 110:20;113:1,11; 161:12
city (27) code (10) 176:15;184:23,23 127:8;128:6;130:24; conducting (1)
69:16,20,21,23; 50:20;61:6;62:8,10; commission (1) 131:1;132:23;136:22; 69:20
71:8;73:7,13,20,21; 70:12;115:16,18; 103:9 165:14;173:24;174:7; cone (1)
75:18;85:10,16,18; 157:12;175:1;180:24 commissioner (1) 175:15 85:23
95:4,11,22;96:4,13, codes (1) 144:21 complaints (25) conference (1)
25;97:1;99:5,6,6; 184:9 commissioners (2) 5:18;6:7,9,13; 135:15
104:9;126:20;167:17; coffee (5) 145:2;146:1 28:17;30:7;51:1;56:8; confidence (1)
183:15 85:19,21,22; commitment (3) 65:2;66:3;74:22;87:7, 185:10
civil (1) 151:18,20 164:12,15;181:24 25;88:21;89:3; confident (1)
170:5 Cofounder (1) committed (3) 108:11,14,17;109:23; 7:10
claim (4) 182:10 86:21;165:3;185:12 110:2;156:17,18; confidential (2)
119:14,15;120:23; cognizant (1) committee (3) 173:22;174:4,7 55:13,23
159:19 93:25 20:19;27:16;28:6 complete (1) confidentiality (2)
claimed (3) coherent (1) committing (1) 157:9 44:16;45:6
33:2,3;132:8 168:3 98:18 completed (1) confirm (3)
claiming (1) co-lead (1) communicate (2) 37:18 83:21;133:23;
119:17 176:18 6:6;81:6 completely (6) 163:12
claims (2) collaborate (2) communication (3) 30:16;94:12;95:20; confirmed (3)
88:16;119:13 15:13;179:17 93:19;177:19; 101:22,23,24 134:7,13;161:2
clarification (3) colleague (2) 178:16 compliance (1) conflict (4)
21:14;39:24;63:4 23:22;96:21 communications (1) 36:18 71:2;99:5;130:3;
clarify (1) colleagues (1) 41:15 complied (1) 143:20
63:11 4:9 communities (1) 102:22 conformance (1)
Clark (2) collect (1) 71:21 Complies (1) 63:12
127:13,16 23:14 commutatively (1) 4:13 confrontation (1)
Clark's (1) collected (1) 68:15 comply (4) 94:18
126:22 10:14 compared (1) 45:5;55:4;56:4; confronted (1)
Clayton (2) collection (1) 185:1 62:8 142:22
95:22;167:11 26:15 compatible (1) computers (1) confused (2)
clean (3) collective (2) 179:23 41:18 54:8;134:8
145:24;185:7,12 5:23;58:24 complain (1) con (1) confusing (3)
clear (8) collectively (2) 105:20 146:1 76:25;77:5;111:22
36:16;45:11;54:1; 5:20;91:3 complainant (23) concern (11) confusion (2)
79:6;86:1;114:24; colleges (1) 67:24;72:17;74:11, 9:13;10:20;11:4; 43:24;78:24
120:8,9 109:16 17,18,24;76:17;79:1; 32:12;47:20;49:22; conned (3)
clearly (3) collegiately (1) 81:8;82:14,19;83:18; 55:14,20;88:19;99:2; 143:13;145:23;
100:23;102:12; 15:14 84:19;86:10;87:10; 125:1 150:14
150:18 color (1) 92:21;93:13;107:8, concerned (7) consent (13)
clerk (2) 52:10 10;118:23;121:16; 16:15;56:2;59:7,13; 29:7;152:20;167:9,
97:1;99:5 combination (2) 126:21;132:13 74:24;103:13;173:21 11,24;169:16,22;
clerks (3) 15:8;77:7 complainants (8) concerns (9) 170:16;171:17;172:3,
34:14,23;41:10 comfort (1) 59:24;60:2,4;86:8, 14:7;53:19;68:23; 5,5,12
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consequence (3) 64:15;67:3;69:3,22 48:7;64:17;178:12, 20,22;185:7,11,13; 31:21,22;32:3

59:1,3;89:21 continues (2) 15;187:17 186:14 current (4)
consequences (3) 94:20;182:3 counties (79) county's (2) 116:5;158:5,23;
68:23;136:18; continuing (1) 5:21;9:14;10:15,19, 32:5;173:25 159:10
177:14 69:5 21,23,24;11:1,9,12, couple (5) custody (1)
consider (14) continuously (1) 18;14:13,13,19;15:4, 20:14;47:15; 108:15
5:6;9:23;17:5; 68:16 10,15;16:7,10,13,14, 179:14;180:21;185:3 customary (2)
23:15;36:19;40:18, contradiction (1) 16;17:8,9,16;18:1,6,8, course (5) 3:5;72:8
20;74:23;120:15; 90:23 22;19:13,17,18,25; 16:1;94:17;95:2; cyber (2)
130:20;137:1;141:1; contribute (1) 20:4;21:24;24:3,5,9; 170:14;181:9 13:14;14:5
170:6;187:19 19:18 25:1,8;26:15,18,23; court (6) cycle (7)
consideration (3) control (3) 27:6,7,7,8;50:6;52:11, 29:9;53:7;143:16; 20:1;43:4,5,6,13;
18:23;162:4;170:18 148:24,24,25 16;57:6,6,10,12;58:8, 163:11;169:23; 179:24;180:19
considered (2) conversation (1) 15;71:4,15,25,25; 179:19 cycles (1)
28:12;170:19 185:2 72:9;137:22;144:5,6; courthouse (2) 16:9
considering (2) conversations (3) 149:18;162:23,25; 71:9;145:4
23:12;143:18 5:13,16;179:4 168:11;177:1,7,20; covered (2) D
consistency (1) converted (1) 178:1,7,23;181:16; 93:1;94:12
170:1 115:13 184:17;186:4,21; covering (2) DA (3)
consistent (2) convoluted (1) 187:20 101:23;102:9 140:25;141:3,24
153:8;158:18 180:3 counting (3) COVID (3) daily (6)
consolidated (1) cooperate (2) 59:11;114:16; 42:14;46:10;146:21 43:21,22,24;44:2;
172:5 161:9,11 146:20 COVID-19 (1) 68:11;70:23
constituents (2) coordinator (1) countries (1) 161:17 danger (1)
96:12,16 161:13 15:24 create (5) 152:24
Constitution (1) copies (2) country (3) 10:18;16:12;25:2; dangers (1)
143:15 24:16;45:20 19:7;187:5,18 49:20;58:5 153:5
constitutional (4) copy (5) counts (1) created (4) darkness (1)
11:2;55:25;131:6; 28:10;32:13;61:10; 114:20 147:19;151:14; 184:14
132:7 134:5;186:1 county (144) 180:1;181:4 data (4)
consultant (2) corrected (5) 10:7;11:19,20;14:8; creates (3) 23:25;24:11,15;
171:16;172:2 39:19;42:5,17;58:2; 24:14;27:14,23,23; 58:10;70:23;71:2 160:2
consulted (1) 68:16 28:4;29:8,18;33:6,14, creating (2) databases (1)
24:21 correction (3) 25;35:24,24,25; 83:5;99:13 58:5
consulting (2) 34:15;37:7;142:21 41:17;42:20;43:1; credentialed (7) date (11)
25:8;77:15 correctional (2) 46:18;50:3,14;51:1; 117:10,12,15,20,21, 22:23;32:7;34:6;
contact (1) 138:5;142:19 52:5;57:17,19;60:3, 25;134:16 43:20;44:8;45:24;
109:24 correctly (5) 11;61:9;62:4;64:11, credentials (2) 54:3,3;68:12,15;
contacted (7) 20:8;45:2;47:24; 16,24;65:3,13,22; 143:4;144:15 142:14
5:11;37:23;39:13; 95:19;96:11 67:9,25;71:7;76:10, credit (7) dated (1)
108:24;109:4,8; corroborating (1) 15,17,19;77:22,24; 31:25;83:3,7,9; 31:23
160:16 93:12 78:9,12,13;95:22; 93:10;112:3,3 dates (1)
containing (2) corrupt (1) 98:6;103:5;108:13, Creek (1) 7:4
132:11,21 88:21 20;110:14;111:6; 183:22 day (30)
content (1) cost (3) 113:9,10;116:2,10; crime (1) 3:3;16:24;33:22;
170:23 176:21;177:1,4 124:12,19;130:2,22, 147:19 34:25;41:22;62:1;
contentious (1) costs (6) 25;131:4,4,11;132:9, criminal (3) 73:7,8,12,13,21,21;
98:3 16:7,10,15;17:6; 10,14,16;133:1,3,12; 89:20;98:18;185:8 79:24;95:7;96:13;
context (4) 21:25;187:1 135:4;137:15,21; Crisp (1) 111:25;127:11;131:7;
14:11;52:19;58:19; couldn’t (1) 138:4,8,9;142:14,19; 144:5 138:8,18;145:2,21;
158:11 187:13 144:5,21;145:2,15; critical (2) 147:15;156:13;
continually (1) council (1) 150:4,11,20;153:3,4, 57:5;137:10 176:24;178:21;
68:13 73:21 14;154:24;156:12,18; criticism (1) 180:14,23;183:12;
continuance (1) counsel (2) 157:7,14,20,23,25,25; 15:23 184:5
163:19 163:21;179:11 158:12;159:10;161:8, cross (1) days (10)
continuances (1) Counselor (1) 21;162:3;163:1,16; 111:25 7:3;12:25;21:11;
129:7 60:24 164:11,18,22;165:9; crumbs (1) 25:11,24;29:5;33:21;
continue (12) count (8) 167:11,18;168:9,18; 186:17 38:7;41:25;138:12
12:24;15:13;23:17; 32:12,13,14;37:9; 169:2,5,6,7,7,18,19; Cunningham (2) deadline (1)
66:5;74:3;77:23; 112:7;114:3;184:8; 171:13,15;172:1; 124:14,18 180:15
82:15,18;110:12; 187:17 173:9,17;174:5; cup (2) deaf (1)
122:15;153:4;165:8 counted (10) 181:16,17,17;182:18; 85:22;151:19 3:9
continued (4) 37:12,16;47:4,8,21; 183:9,11,17;184:15, cure (3) deal (1)
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177:12 delivered (4) 163:2 180:5 disposition (4)

dealing (2) 159:21;160:3,12; device (3) disclaimed (1) 56:21,25;153:17;
50:8;95:16 162:24 41:15;187:16,17 77:6 168:15
deals (1) delivery (2) devices (5) disclosed (1) disprove (1)
87:25 112:1;132:18 157:1,5;180:23; 65:2 157:10
dealt (2) Democracy (1) 181:7;186:16 disconnect (1) disqualified (1)
43:12,17 184:13 dictates (1) 137:7 124:23
debacle (1) demonstrate (1) 24:10 discovered (4) disqualifies (1)
183:10 51:13 Diebold (1) 77:3;86:6;115:11; 124:25
debating (1) demonstrated (1) 186:19 160:14 disruptions (1)
49:16 57:24 dies (1) discuss (9) 25:6
deceased (1) denied (3) 184:13 66:17,20,22;69:14; disseminated (1)
167:15 73:15,16;76:15 difference (2) 86:12,20,25;107:22; 161:18
December (6) department (7) 19:19;181:23 128:17 distance (1)
110:6;111:6,8,11; 94:18;109:8; different (15) discussed (1) 95:16
136:13;159:25 116:10;157:23; 27:9;30:13;46:5; 69:2 distinction (1)
decide (3) 174:22,24;187:8 98:1;100:17;103:19; discussing (1) 37:8
10:6;51:5;170:14 dependent (3) 121:11;122:3,7; 67:17 distributed (7)
decided (2) 11:13;19:9,12 124:21;149:23; discussion (25) 9:20;10:1,2,12,15;
42:16;46:13 depends (1) 151:12;178:25;180:6; 19:2;51:8;63:3,18; 11:9;24:23
decides (1) 170:21 181:11 64:20;75:24;78:1; distribution (3)
5:19 deputies (2) difficult (2) 84:20;91:15;107:15; 8:17;9:11,14
decision (6) 137:23,25 12:3;49:9 110:17,21;112:23; District (10)
15:12,22;21:15; deputy (4) digital (3) 118:13;126:9;128:6; 33:15,16,17,18;
27:18;75:1;100:12 46:20;68:20; 24:17;174:14,15 129:14,19;148:15; 36:23,23;37:2;57:19,
declares (1) 137:24;148:21 dignify (1) 155:1,20;156:1; 25;58:1
55:24 description (2) 5:14 165:15;172:13,15 district's (1)
declined (1) 76:20;82:3 dilemma (2) disenfranchised (1) 57:18
46:14 design (1) 112:2,15 113:15 divide (1)
deemed (1) 78:24 dilute (1) disenfranchisement (1) 15:19
122:1 designate (1) 184:24 176:24 dividing (1)
Deese (1) 104:16 dimensional (1) dismiss (20) 184:24
145:4 designation (1) 184:7 63:5,8,14;74:8; division (8)
defend (1) 37:3 direct (5) 75:20,23;82:13; 5:22;13:9;15:10;
89:17 desist (2) 26:21;52:6;64:10; 88:13;91:9;93:17; 71:17,18;108:10;
defense (2) 167:21;168:25 90:23;141:8 112:19;118:8;128:3, 156:16;157:18
185:8;187:8 desk (3) directing (1) 5,18,25;129:10; documentation (6)
defer (7) 35:6;60:21;61:3 78:21 153:24;154:8;167:20 132:5,12,22;
46:8;110:20; destroyed (2) direction (2) dismissal (3) 161:24;163:13,18
123:12,18;124:4; 146:25;147:9 54:12;115:12 91:7;128:17;137:2 documents (13)
125:24;165:13 destruction (2) directive (1) dismissed (30) 15:2;31:12;147:8;
deferment (1) 132:20,20 71:19 63:7,15;66:15;74:6, 157:17;158:3,7,15,21;
139:20 detail (1) directly (5) 15;76:6;81:10;82:21; 159:1,2,7;163:14;
deferral (1) 33:1 25:8;62:5;84:5,11; 89:10,11;91:22; 165:1
126:11 details (3) 98:13 107:12,21;112:13,21, Dominion (3)
deferred (2) 142:18;181:24,25 Director (13) 22;118:12;122:8; 186:12;187:2,21
126:8;129:13 determination (3) 26:11;46:20,21; 128:17,19;129:1,2,11, donations (2)
deficiencies (2) 74:15,20;109:15 68:21;116:21;157:24; 12,16;154:6,6;159:6; 9:9,11
64:24;65:1 determine (9) 164:3;173:9,25; 167:16;177:24 done (35)
defined (1) 10:19;12:3;14:17; 176:16,17;183:11; dismissing (6) 4:1,18;23:19,20;
103:10 56:20;65:14;139:3; 184:21 76:2;91:17;113:1; 24:4;36:17;38:12;
degree (1) 142:2;160:5;182:21 disability (1) 118:16;143:18; 39:17,20;43:19;45:1;
50:3 determined (3) 127:19 167:14 47:5,12,25;49:13,13,
DeKalb (11) 97:8,13,17 disagree (4) disorganized (1) 24;54:11;59:4;60:10;
155:9;156:12,18; determining (1) 133:14,18;137:17; 156:21 67:8;70:24;86:22,23;
157:7,14,22,25,25; 163:5 149:5 disparity (1) 88:1;91:24;94:21,23;
162:3;164:18;165:9 develop (1) disagreement (1) 17:23 106:16;121:18;138:4;
delay (2) 175:1 134:8 display (1) 142:4;165:25;173:23;
39:12;40:7 developed (1) disappeared (1) 46:23 175:12
deliberate (3) 187:5 173:17 dispose (1) Dooley (1)
53:21;179:16,25 developing (1) discarded (1) 91:5 144:5
deliver (2) 13:12 59:12 disposed (2) door (3)
22:13;157:16 development (1) discern (1) 90:9;150:23 81:17;138:21;180:2
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doors (2) 114:3;157:6;161:17; 140:2;141:10,12,20, effect (4) 5:22;9:10;13:9;

76:24;145:21 183:7 23;142:8,12;148:6, 10:17;12:18;87:19; 14:11,12;15:9;17:25;
double (4) DUFFEY (416) 14;152:18,23;154:4, 163:13 24:4;33:14,24;36:1,3,
83:7;109:2;112:6; 3:2,10,13,15,21; 13,16;155:1,3,6,8,14, effective (1) 4;46:19,20,21;50:18;
150:1 4:14,21;7:21,25;8:2,7, 22,24;156:1,4,9,11; 113:16 62:4;70:20,21;98:1;
doubt (1) 11,13,25;9:2;12:13; 157:20;159:12;160:7, effectively (1) 111:24;116:21;
174:19 13:4,6;14:10;16:22; 20;161:7;162:1,6; 117:5 131:16;134:4;135:6;
Douglas (1) 17:21;19:2,11;20:16, 163:8;165:6,11,13,17, effort (3) 136:4;138:19,24;
181:17 20,22;21:2,6,14,19; 20,22;166:1,6,9,11, 5:23;80:5;178:14 142:14;145:16,25;
down (27) 22:4,7,9,22;23:2,6,9; 15,17,21,24;167:1; egregious (3) 146:14;157:24;158:1;
14:3;29:15;35:4; 26:1,3,5,8;28:19,22, 168:2,13;169:18,24; 51:3;52:15;93:6 161:13;164:5,11,14;
42:22,24;89:8,16; 24;29:7,12,24;30:1, 170:8,21;171:1; either (8) 168:10;173:9,25;
98:13;101:12,15,16; 15,21,24;31:2,4; 172:4,8,10,15,18,20, 87:9,9,20;98:12; 176:21;179:18;180:8;
105:14;127:17; 32:16,18,20,25;33:5, 23;175:3,18,20,22,24; 162:17;173:25; 182:5,17;183:9,10;
133:24;143:23;144:2, 10;35:1,6,9,12,16,20; 176:1,3,5,7,9,10,12; 174:21;177:19 184:21,22;185:11,12
25;146:9,18;149:22; 39:23;40:1,5,17,21, 179:6,8,10,16;182:6, elect (2) elector (1)
150:1;173:14,14,15; 24;41:2;45:13;47:9; 8,10,13,15;185:3,15, 90:25;95:18 85:19
181:23;185:19; 49:7;50:24;51:10,21; 17,23,25;187:24; elected (3) electors (1)
186:16 53:6,9,12,17;56:6,12, 188:1,5,7,9,12,15,19, 85:15;106:8;145:22 161:5
dozen (3) 14,23;57:2,14;58:18, 21,23;189:1,3 Election (172) electronic (3)
42:16;46:13;52:12 21,23;59:6,17,21; duplicating (3) 3:3;7:17;8:17;9:6,7, 23:25;24:11;187:10
Dr (82) 60:1,8,13,16,18,21; 115:1,8,21 18;12:21;14:22;15:1, elects (1)
12:15,16;13:5,7; 61:2;62:13,15,17,20, duplication (4) 2,14;16:9;17:4,15,17; 137:9
19:4;21:9,18;28:20, 23;63:1,16,18,20,23, 115:2,3,5;116:1 18:1;20:2;24:1;26:11, Elementary (3)
23;54:1,6,8,20;55:5,7, 25;64:5,18,20,22; during (21) 16,25;27:5,5,20,22; 160:11,23,25
10,12;56:1;59:7,17; 65:7,9,16,20,25;66:2, 28:4;30:7;39:6; 28:4;30:8,9;31:9,19; eligibility (1)
62:25;69:8;74:2,3; 10,14,25;67:6,16,23; 42:1;44:5;61:9;68:3; 32:1,1,15;33:20,22; 109:15
94:23,25;100:4; 68:22;69:5,10,13,17; 70:6;73:11;76:16; 34:19;41:18,22;43:4, eligible (2)
107:23,25;108:2,5,7, 70:14;71:14;72:2,5, 83:23;92:22;105:13; 5,6,13;44:5;46:11,15, 119:22;124:24
22,23;109:3,7,11,14, 11,13;74:2,7,10,13; 111:9;127:9,11; 17,18;47:6;49:19; eliminate (1)
22;110:16;111:4,15; 75:4,6,12,14,17,21, 132:9;160:15;161:16; 50:14;51:8;58:3; 185:1
113:6,8,10;114:12; 23;76:1,4,6,9,12; 169:12;180:10 59:16;60:11;61:9; Ellison (1)
115:7,17,20;116:9; 77:13;78:1;79:25; duties (2) 68:1,5,20;69:20;70:6, 132:7
117:24;118:5,7,21; 80:4;81:2,7,11,15,18, 4:10;134:22 7,12;71:6,7,8,17,18; else (22)
119:2;120:1;122:17, 21;82:17,24;83:1,3, duty (2) 73:9,13;76:16;78:9; 28:16;39:21;45:20;
22,24;123:2,6,20; 11,13,15;84:18,22,25; 135:12;149:4 86:24;87:21;92:23; 59:6;62:17;72:13,20;
124:11,21;125:3; 85:2,5,7,11,24;87:2; Dylan (1) 94:8;95:15;96:10; 87:2;94:2;98:12;
126:4,16,17,19;127:3, 88:9,11,14;90:3;91:4, 108:17 97:1,3,24;98:6,8,11, 106:25;107:22;
4,22,24;128:2,23; 11,13,15,17,20,22,24; 16;99:1,4,7;108:13, 109:18;119:18;
165:12;166:25; 92:1,17,19;93:2;94:6; E 21;109:3,7;111:7,21, 128:13;134:14;
168:17;169:13,25; 96:23;97:14,20,22; 25;114:16,25;115:14, 147:16;161:10;162:1;
170:17,25 100:6;101:12,15,19; earlier (8) 24;116:10;117:2,6; 164:5;187:8;188:16
draft (6) 102:1,6,11,15,18,22; 14:4;125:5;130:3; 124:17,20;125:14; else's (3)
7:14;22:12;27:25; 103:1,7,9,12,17,23; 134:22;136:4;139:2; 127:11;131:4,7,8,9, 49:12;57:23;98:24
64:23;72:2;153:11 104:4,11,19,23;105:1, 148:15;173:12 11,20,24;132:2,10,10, elsewhere (1)
dragged (1) 3,10,14,24;106:25; earliest (1) 15,15,17;133:1,2,3,7; 119:15
136:16 107:2,13,15,17,19,21, 25:14 138:7;143:21,25; email (10)
driven (1) 24;108:1,4,6,8,22,25; early (21) 144:18;146:17,22; 6:4;13:13;79:21;
183:18 109:13,18,20;110:15, 61:10;73:24;85:17; 148:22;149:21; 81:15;134:11,12;
driver's (1) 17,19,23;111:1,3,5; 95:6;111:9,17,24; 153:14;156:13,18; 161:1,19;173:8,11
124:16 112:18,21,25;113:3,5, 112:14;146:19; 157:7,11,14;159:10; emailed (2)
driving (1) 7;116:13;117:13; 160:14;177:6;178:22; 160:13,16;161:23; 78:7;158:8
136:25 118:9,11,15,18,20; 181:12,16;182:18; 162:23;164:3;173:5, emails (5)
drop (1) 119:1;120:9,14; 183:4,18,19,23;184:1, 5,6,21;174:10;175:1, 133:23;134:3;
112:1 121:2,7,12,14;122:21; 11 7;176:18,24;177:3,16, 137:4;158:13,14
drove (2) 123:4,8,15;124:1,4,8, earth (1) 17,20,21,24;178:5,21, embarrass (1)
182:23,25 10,25;125:9,13,16,20, 164:6 23;179:3;180:14,23; 150:6
DRVs (1) 24;126:1,3,5,7,11,13, easy (2) 182:1,19;183:21,24; embrace (1)
186:20 15,18;127:2,6;128:5, 15:18;81:23 184:5;185:20;186:3, 18:11
dual (1) 8,11,13,16,21,24; educating (1) 15;187:14 emerge (1)
161:16 129:5,9,18,21,23,25; 111:18 election-related (1) 58:7
due (7) 130:9,17,20;133:8,10; Education (1) 23:25 emergency (3)
67:10;113:23,24; 137:8;139:1,12; 33:16 elections (53) 113:24;146:6;
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (8) doors - emergency
December 13, 2022
161:17 153:12 173:12 executive (7)

employee (5) entity (1) even (34) 166:2,5,7,12,17,22; F
131:10,12;135:3,5, 49:24 5:10,10;15:23; 167:2
5 entrance (1) 17:17;25:13;36:8; exercise (2) face (3)
employees (2) 77:8 37:17;42:16;43:9,25; 26:10;50:20 34:7;44:9;54:4
135:20;136:7 envelope (13) 47:1;48:20;54:24; exhausted (1) Facebook (2)
EMS (1) 32:14;44:14,18,23; 55:15,22;56:17; 77:10 34:2;38:14
183:6 54:13,15,18,18;61:18, 57:12;61:22;70:24; expect (1) faced (1)
enable (1) 19,20,22,23 87:14;89:5,13; 6:4 87:23
14:13 envelopes (3) 103:18;104:13;106:6; expected (1) facilitate (1)
enclosed (5) 45:23;61:16,18 117:16;122:2;135:11; 173:1 9:9
83:19;114:14,19; Environmental (1) 146:4;149:11;175:7, expensive (1) facilities (5)
117:16;131:3 183:22 14;178:20;184:4 19:6 15:3;71:25;136:5,7,
end (12) epic (1) evening (1) experience (4) 9
3:22,24;11:7;22:25; 46:18 133:13 182:20;183:17; facility (2)
23:5;27:25;32:10; equipment (28) everybody (15) 184:3,17 38:11,19
58:13;62:1;96:13,16; 15:1;46:15,22;84:2; 30:23;43:2,8;56:6; experienced (2) facing (2)
111:24 131:4,7,9,12,14,18,20, 58:21;66:11;91:2; 156:21;157:4 5:1,1
ended (1) 22,24;132:2;133:7; 94:16;99:10;102:1, explain (7) fact (21)
132:23 135:2,13;140:1; 22;150:1;165:10; 19:20,22;20:6; 16:18;24:3;27:2;
endorse (3) 149:4;156:22,24; 166:18;189:4 23:12;38:10;53:20; 33:3;73:6;74:21;
14:17,18;90:1 159:20,23;160:3,8,17, everyone (5) 57:16 80:19;86:16;103:23;
ends (1) 17;162:24 9:4;37:6;38:23; explained (3) 104:12;106:7;107:7;
164:6 equitable (3) 180:8;181:17 74:14;78:12;143:24 110:9;116:18;122:17;
Enet (2) 8:17;9:11;152:12 everywhere (3) explanation (1) 123:10;150:7;162:13;
31:11;47:19 Erica (5) 183:19,20;187:8 42:25 171:14;178:14;184:6
enforce (1) 157:8,13,15,23; evidence (17) explicit (1) factor (1)
169:22 161:13 70:11,17;72:16,21; 187:14 36:18
enforcement (2) error (7) 78:9;84:8;93:12,13; expose (1) factors (1)
89:19;144:20 39:1;42:6;67:10; 100:13,19;116:13; 180:20 171:8
engage (1) 68:8;114:2;115:11,16 132:16;133:3;157:15; expound (1) facts (12)
181:21 errors (2) 159:14,17;180:2 61:11 33:5;79:6;83:25;
enlight (1) 46:2;57:8 evidence-based (2) expressed (1) 90:22;97:5;100:9;
96:7 especially (5) 179:17;180:1 182:22 133:14,16,18;137:2;
enlightened (1) 5:21;6:6;14:11; evidentiary (3) extend (1) 147:12;162:9
147:13 56:8;80:22 100:6,10;134:3 39:19 factual (2)
enormity (1) essence (1) evidently (2) extended (2) 116:17;162:19
38:17 148:20 31:21;105:17 52:11;53:7 failed (11)
enormous (1) essentially (2) exact (1) extending (1) 33:15,20;34:6,20;
58:10 12:12;186:6 52:10 163:11 37:25;42:10;44:6,8;
enough (9) establish (1) exactly (12) extensive (1) 132:21;133:5;157:17
6:19;49:17;90:18; 107:10 12:4;24:10;26:7; 33:11 failing (1)
93:9,16;137:25; esteemed (1) 39:16;41:7;43:7,11; extent (5) 62:8
146:18;157:1;181:12 179:10 47:14;50:12;53:24; 19:16;133:19; failure (5)
ensure (7) estimated (1) 68:24;110:13 134:17;158:6;163:14 87:11;135:2;
44:16;64:13,15; 177:4 examination (1) extenuating (1) 137:14;149:6;184:20
67:14;68:18;84:13; ethical (1) 25:22 171:8 failures (2)
150:20 104:23 example (4) exterior (1) 156:22;160:8
ensured (1) ethics (5) 14:25;120:17; 78:20 fainted (1)
43:15 99:7;102:9;103:5,7, 159:16;180:22 external (1) 183:5
entered (4) 9 examples (2) 116:4 fair (5)
32:6;114:9;131:2; Europe (1) 183:22;184:12 extra (1) 23:21;47:6;96:11;
133:21 187:4 except (3) 53:16 170:5,22
entertain (1) EV (1) 41:17;184:12;187:5 extreme (1) fairly (3)
167:23 68:3 excess (1) 152:24 23:7;80:18;186:1
entire (1) evaluate (1) 124:12 extremely (3) fairness (2)
174:17 27:16 exclude (1) 28:7;46:16;47:13 6:16,17
entirely (2) evaluating (1) 54:17 exuberance (1) faith (4)
52:21;79:6 28:3 exclusive (1) 97:3 86:3,14,23;88:1
entities (1) evaluation (1) 122:22 eyes (1) fake (1)
182:4 28:3 Excuse (3) 62:7 85:14
entitled (3) Evans (4) 59:23;137:14; fall (2)
114:19;117:17; 26:11;27:11;72:3; 153:10 18:4;135:7
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (9) employee - fall
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false (6) 13,15,20;103:18; 17:23;56:10;63:8; 25:22;92:14;98:6; 100:9;127:25;159:14

86:15;87:11;89:20; 104:16;105:5,10,19, 78:19;82:4 142:21 four (13)
90:18,18;174:1 20,22,22;107:8,9 findings (5) follow (5) 6:4,5;29:21;46:16;
family (1) fellow (1) 68:2;70:11,16;78:8; 45:18;47:7;56:2; 69:19;108:19;109:23;
42:2 82:5 117:3 97:10;156:5 110:3,9;167:13;
fancy (1) felony (1) finds (1) followed (1) 174:23;181:8;183:13
147:20 174:1 80:10 62:11 four-week (2)
far (6) felt (2) fine (3) following (8) 180:11,11
27:18;47:24;74:23; 45:5;131:16 79:24;170:20;171:9 9:6;23:25;29:6; frame (1)
85:9;112:10;164:21 females (7) fire (1) 30:6;62:6;78:14;95:7; 41:21
fashion (1) 131:13,16,19,21; 145:19 113:12 framework (1)
180:13 132:1;133:7;140:15 firm (1) follows (3) 19:14
fast (1) few (7) 162:3 76:20;108:14; frankly (3)
185:25 3:21;4:25;25:24; first (48) 156:18 10:22;11:20;49:16
faster (2) 40:7;77:2;135:16; 6:11,24;7:2,13,16; follow-up (2) fraud (2)
130:5;181:19 152:24 8:14;9:3,25;10:13,21; 27:13;64:9 86:22;126:20
father (1) fewer (2) 13:17;21:1,19;22:17; food (1) fraudulent (4)
127:13 6:13;173:1 23:13,19,19,20;26:13; 183:8 86:5,10;173:22,22
fault (2) fighter (1) 29:16;35:18;36:21; foot (20) free (5)
148:23;151:6 174:13 38:12;46:15,23; 92:24;94:10;97:7; 85:22;135:21;
favor (25) fighting (1) 47:11;57:4;58:7,17; 99:14,17,19;100:25; 147:20;180:2;185:12
7:23;8:9;20:24; 187:2 59:4;62:24;63:1;67:2; 101:3;102:4,23; frequently (1)
22:4;63:20;65:5;76:1; figure (5) 74:10;87:6;92:19; 103:16;104:7,10; 117:19
82:22;84:22;91:17; 78:4;97:24;98:4,9, 93:2;102:11;107:7; 105:6,7,8;107:5,7,10, fresh (1)
107:17;110:23; 21 113:15;130:23; 11 130:7
112:25;118:15;124:5; file (19) 136:12;142:9;143:17; force (1) Friday (3)
126:11;128:8;129:21; 68:10,13,14,17; 146:11;148:6;173:1, 187:11 111:23;178:21;
155:3;156:7;165:17; 74:23;87:10;88:24; 15 forces (1) 182:25
166:12;171:21; 89:3,18,18;95:24; firsthand (1) 26:24 friend (1)
172:16;188:23 132:4,11,21,24;141:1; 72:19 Forest (5) 94:5
favorable (1) 144:24;147:1;169:19 fit (1) 92:23;94:20;95:4, friendly (5)
152:22 filed (5) 25:4 11,23 13:18;18:18;20:14;
favorite (1) 87:25;88:21;90:20; five (15) forgive (1) 22:2;151:20
3:16 169:18,23 3:25;6:5,6;7:1; 139:10 frivolous (1)
Favorito (1) files (3) 18:15;53:15;98:1; forgotten (1) 177:14
188:9 85:25;86:2;89:22 119:5,22;142:16; 36:11 front (7)
features (1) filing (3) 149:12;156:20;178:7, form (3) 49:10;80:15;95:9;
171:25 87:12;90:19;185:8 20;181:8 28:12,25;119:20 96:20;98:14;146:8;
February (25) fill (2) fixed (6) formal (1) 174:16
7:1,3;28:13;36:8; 19:9;178:10 37:5,12;38:22,25; 166:4 frustrated (1)
40:12;46:11,23; filled (4) 42:18;115:16 formally (1) 106:21
65:12;69:11;82:13, 126:22;178:4,4,5 flavor (1) 24:25 frustrating (3)
18,22;88:6;90:11; film (1) 32:25 format (1) 98:14;106:12,21
110:20,20;120:16; 38:14 Fleming (3) 24:15 frustration (1)
123:18;124:5;126:1, final (9) 83:18,21,22 former (5) 98:10
8;129:13;159:25; 15:12;25:16,16; flexibility (1) 106:8;134:4;157:7, fulfill (1)
165:10,14 156:12;167:13,25; 13:23 14,24 38:23
federal (4) 172:6,12,23 floor (1) forms (1) full (14)
30:10;44:6;77:17; finalize (1) 79:15 127:24 22:16,16,20,20;
89:17 28:6 Florida (7) Fort (3) 46:10,16,21;62:8;
feedback (1) finalized (1) 13:8,8;124:15,15, 69:16,20;75:18 69:1;77:22;145:13;
182:20 29:1 18,23;125:6 forth (3) 147:2;148:7;184:18
feel (4) finally (3) flu (1) 186:7,22,24 fuller (1)
55:18;96:10;98:25; 6:9;158:24;182:25 137:19 forthcoming (1) 25:7
105:25 find (19) flush (1) 186:2 fully (3)
feeling (1) 15:21;27:1;31:10; 163:21 forum (1) 11:25;69:2;177:24
49:11 70:17;71:5;73:6; focus (2) 71:4 Fulton (35)
feels (1) 76:24;78:8;110:13; 32:20;123:17 forward (7) 27:14;67:9,25;69:1;
163:19 121:24;136:9;138:9, focuses (1) 12:7;21:25;26:19; 76:10,15,17,19;77:22,
feet (28) 15;151:15;152:22; 134:23 61:2;74:16;107:11; 24;78:9,12,13;103:5;
94:17,17;99:14,14, 154:13,16;159:17; focusing (3) 153:19 169:19;182:18,21,25;
22,23,24;100:2,13,14, 174:20 138:22;139:5,6 found (6) 183:4,11,15,16,17;
21,23;101:6;102:1,7, finding (5) folks (4) 13:8;41:23;45:21; 184:15,17,20,22,24,
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (10) false - Fulton
December 13, 2022
24;185:1,1,7,10,13; 34:3;83:9;131:11 21;23:11,22,23;26:2, 9:14,15,19,20; 158:12,13,16;159:8,

186:14 GBI (1) 4,7;47:11;48:3,6,14; 10:14;11:6,8,13;12:5, 24;161:13,23;164:10,
Fulton's (1) 141:8 49:3;52:9,14,18,23; 17,19,20;13:10,15,24; 18,21;165:5,8
27:16 General (52) 53:1;57:3,17;58:20; 18:6,9;19:9 Hamilton's (3)
function (3) 8:16,21;9:5,8,12, 64:19;66:23,24;67:1, granular (1) 158:19;163:16;
27:6,23;139:2 17;10:9;11:25;12:6; 9,18;68:24;69:12,14; 181:24 164:12
fund (3) 14:14;16:4,5,11,17; 70:14,16;71:18;72:4, grateful (1) hand (6)
18:9;19:18;20:7 17:2,14;18:12,20,23; 10,12;73:23;74:5; 4:1 16:14;37:1;47:5;
fundamental (1) 19:5,11,15,20,24; 75:20;76:8,10;77:14, Great (2) 60:24;187:17,17
97:6 20:6;21:23;22:11,17; 14,15;79:3,9,11,14; 72:11;183:16 handicap (2)
funding (6) 30:7,8,9;34:15,19; 83:2,14,25;84:20; greater (3) 76:11;149:11
10:22;12:1,10;16:2; 39:6;41:11;44:5,5; 85:4,6,10,24,25; 13:23;16:6;153:6 handicapped (4)
18:5,9 50:11,13;52:7;62:22; 91:14,25;92:2; Greene (1) 76:17;77:19;81:25;
funds (4) 63:12;68:1;88:8; 107:14;110:1,8,11; 111:6 156:19
8:17;9:25;10:11; 108:21;121:6;125:18; 115:23;128:20; Greetings (1) handle (1)
19:24 155:18;167:5;168:15; 134:21;139:9,13,17; 185:20 166:8
furnishing (1) 170:12,15 140:3;155:25;162:7; group (8) handled (3)
109:16 generally (7) 171:11;172:9;188:22 49:25;67:17;117:9, 129:3,4,9
further (23) 10:23;11:23;17:14; Gill (1) 11;131:10;144:4; handling (1)
21:24;25:22;46:9; 22:17,19;72:6;88:18 174:14 145:7,7 150:12
67:12;79:1;82:13; General's (29) given (8) groups (1) hands (2)
87:22;110:12,21; 29:17;32:22;48:24; 10:7;20:23;38:7; 66:14 44:17;140:8
112:22;118:12; 49:18;56:9,15,18,24; 74:19;77:22;78:5; grown (1) hand's (1)
119:12;123:19;126:9, 63:2;64:1,5;77:16; 114:11;168:22 16:10 66:5
23;128:6;129:19; 84:3;130:23;139:4, gives (2) guarantee (1) happen (16)
137:11;140:10; 19;141:15,15;152:21; 32:25;93:14 96:5 28:1;41:2;49:1;
150:15;156:1;161:11; 153:15;154:17,23; giving (3) guard (3) 50:16,17,19;51:16,20;
165:15 155:12;167:8;168:1; 92:15;123:2,3 135:22;175:8,11 67:15;89:15;93:24;
Furthermore (2) 170:15,22;172:6,11 glad (3) guess (15) 94:20;147:15;150:18,
186:9,24 generation (1) 163:12,20;173:20 31:24;53:15;64:10; 21;168:24
fussing (1) 13:22 Glenn (1) 72:20;79:3;95:9; happened (19)
143:8 generous (2) 30:18 98:25;122:13;133:18; 31:16,23;47:14;
future (14) 18:2;74:21 goes (7) 148:7;149:7;153:11; 50:16;52:4;53:3;62:1;
17:11;26:20;39:22; gentlemen (1) 14:3;15:3;73:22; 159:25;170:3;171:2 64:14;97:15;110:13;
42:6;43:15,16;68:17, 176:13 80:9;106:10;146:6; guessing (1) 137:3;145:9;151:21,
18;69:3,6;88:25; George (2) 186:11 120:3 23;152:24;163:6;
169:15;170:17; 30:10;31:18 good (19) guidance (1) 170:10;173:18;
171:23 Georgia (53) 24:2,12;30:23,24; 178:19 183:16
5:4;9:17;19:7; 35:18;38:21;45:1; guidelines (1) happening (2)
G 26:23;62:11;70:12; 67:1;70:18;86:3,22; 78:16 94:22;177:18
76:13,13;87:24; 94:25;117:24;125:9; guy (1) happens (3)
gain (3) 92:24;108:9;118:24, 150:22;157:21; 174:25 22:17;57:8;88:18
76:18;131:17;133:7 25;119:4,6,7,9,16,21, 168:13;176:13; guys (5) happy (4)
gained (1) 23;120:3,4,6,6,8,11, 180:12 36:15;50:21; 25:23;72:10;
131:6 11,12,18;121:21,22; goodwill (1) 150:13;173:20; 147:11;167:23
Gaines (4) 122:1,4;124:14,16,19, 4:6 187:11 hard (13)
69:16,20;75:18; 24,24;125:8,10,23,23; Gordon (1) Gwen (2) 4:8;5:8,12;15:21,
174:14 131:6;132:7;157:17; 70:9 30:11;61:8 22;24:7;40:13;73:3,
game (1) 176:16,19;179:4,11; governing (1) Gwinnett (5) 23;81:4;138:9;
106:12 181:13;182:10; 49:11 168:18;169:2; 177:11;180:5
gap (3) 183:18;186:5 government (3) 171:13,14;172:1 harder (2)
19:9;112:9;180:14 Georgia's (1) 14:11,18;61:18 57:20;136:8
gaps (1) 185:8 grace (1) H hardly (1)
180:21 German (2) 179:8 177:3
Garland (1) 31:12;32:5 grand (5) half (2) hardware (1)
188:9 Germany (3) 132:19;147:11,12; 146:12;177:9 15:8
Gaston (1) 8:18;136:12;158:8 148:8,9 Hall (6) Harvey (4)
145:3 gets (7) grant (12) 69:21,23;71:8;73:7, 134:4,7,14;143:21
gather (1) 5:11;15:22;106:2; 8:17;10:5,6,18; 13,20 Harvey's (1)
15:11 125:4;136:10;141:14; 11:17;12:23;13:1,9; halt (1) 134:13
gathered (1) 153:12 14:16;16:2;18:1; 185:9 hate (2)
26:15 GHAZAL (78) 19:13 Hamilton (16) 60:9;96:4
gave (3) 7:20;15:25;21:20, grants (18) 157:8,13,15,24; havoc (1)
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153:1 hid (3) 65:15;168:23 139:15 130:12,13,14,16;

Hayden (2) 102:24;104:20; hoping (3) IDs (1) 133:9;140:21;143:14;
133:11;187:24 105:16 6:13,14;112:4 140:15 154:12;161:6;169:11;
headed (1) hidden (1) hound (1) ignoring (1) 173:7;179:7;184:20
183:7 55:22 164:7 84:10 incident (7)
hear (14) hide (2) hour (3) ill (1) 48:15;49:23;78:8;
3:15;29:16;30:21; 144:19;147:23 6:11;39:19;108:16 184:13 131:23,23;132:6;
35:11;81:16;94:1; hiding (1) hourly (1) illegal (1) 136:18
97:14;103:12;138:17; 121:7 145:15 86:17 incidents (1)
139:7;142:11;149:14; High (1) hours (9) images (1) 85:13
164:12;173:21 183:21 5:13;39:19;42:15; 24:17 inclined (1)
heard (7) highlight (3) 52:11;53:7;76:22; imagine (1) 90:14
53:6;72:20;77:2; 57:11;58:14;112:14 163:11;177:9;180:19 163:7 include (3)
113:19;135:8;136:3; highlights (1) House (6) immediately (7) 20:2;21:22;114:20
186:12 111:23 22:20,20;81:12; 37:3,13,13;39:13, included (7)
hearing (11) highly (1) 109:11,13,14 17;132:2;160:16 13:11;33:17,17;
7:17;29:9;56:7; 183:23 Houston (2) impact (7) 41:8;53:16;68:16;
65:23;100:7,10; hill (1) 124:12,19 16:12;25:1;26:14, 170:19
134:3;159:3,9; 80:19 Howard (36) 22;27:8;50:4;103:17 includes (2)
163:24;185:21 Hillegas (1) 130:5,15;131:1,5, impacted (1) 85:16;167:11
hears (1) 175:18 23;132:4,11,15,17,21, 168:6 including (10)
5:18 hire (3) 23;133:2,4,17,19,23; impacting (1) 15:15;24:17;33:1;
heart (1) 137:9;171:15;177:7 134:1,3,10,17;136:11, 52:5 37:1;51:7;58:23;89:8;
97:13 Hiring (1) 19;138:2,24;142:6,7, impacts (1) 141:23;176:21;177:2
heavy (2) 185:7 9,13,13;151:2;152:7, 16:20 inclusively (1)
18:10;146:7 history (1) 10,17;161:14;188:8,9 Impeded (1) 5:7
hectic (1) 46:19 huge (2) 101:24 inconsistent (1)
146:21 hit (2) 25:5;38:11 impeding (3) 100:11
heed (1) 8:24;144:5 hugely (1) 102:10;104:3,9 inconvenienced (1)
11:6 hold (8) 25:5 implementation (1) 171:23
heels (1) 42:10;71:7,8,8; human (1) 16:8 increase (2)
17:20 88:17;90:13;152:14; 184:6 implemented (1) 186:10,25
held (6) 174:21 humbly (1) 180:13 increased (1)
27:25;70:21;73:20; holding (1) 97:10 importance (1) 187:1
154:19,21;159:14 153:10 hurry (1) 136:2 incredible (2)
Hello (1) holiday (2) 185:22 important (16) 4:7;182:18
60:17 23:1,3 hygiene (1) 16:11,17;17:12; incumbent (4)
help (10) hollering (1) 13:14 18:11;21:24;23:16; 16:5;95:13;96:19;
6:10;11:22;19:18; 143:7 24:13,25;27:18,22; 141:17
27:11;51:4;56:20; Holly (5) I 48:20;57:7;117:20; indeed (2)
105:24;164:9;179:5; 131:13;133:2,4,5; 179:22;181:4;187:9 13:19;161:5
180:7 151:3 I’m (2) impose (2) independent (5)
helped (1) Holly's (1) 29:23;147:24 20:3;27:3 49:20,20;50:21;
175:1 151:6 I’ve (2) imposed (1) 135:3,4
helpful (5) home (2) 60:10;171:3 26:18 indicate (3)
9:3;28:8;47:13; 127:16;143:9 ID (1) impression (1) 7:5;84:1;119:5
48:14;67:20 homeland (1) 144:10 127:14 indicated (1)
helping (3) 144:22 idea (9) improper (1) 111:13
80:8;164:13,13 honest (4) 14:16,18,23;15:12; 60:20 indicating (5)
Henry (4) 144:18;145:11,18; 32:9;82:10;153:10; impropriety (1) 29:9;104:7;105:8,9;
108:13,20;173:9,17 146:24 176:23;180:12 70:24 134:5
herded (1) Honor (6) ideas (1) improve (2) indication (1)
183:25 33:9;130:4,15; 27:1 27:5;92:7 123:9
here's (3) 142:7;151:2;173:3 identification (2) improvement (1) indicative (1)
82:5;141:12,12 HOOKS (18) 132:1;133:6 168:20 84:10
Herring (1) 130:4,11;133:9,11, identified (4) inappropriate (2) individual (4)
108:14 11;137:17;139:16; 131:12;132:25; 48:17;55:19 49:25;60:12;
hesitant (1) 140:5,16,18,21,23; 158:13;159:2 inaudible (27) 163:17;167:23
164:5 142:6;149:5,10; identify (1) 21:5;22:1;37:1; individually (3)
hey (3) 152:3,19;187:24 123:15 42:14;43:18;48:5; 67:7;92:13;183:9
138:14;144:8;165:1 hope (4) identifying (1) 51:18;55:24;57:13; individuals (13)
Hi (1) 6:10,22;64:1;182:3 114:23 74:12;75:5;91:8; 24:22;43:20;49:25;
142:13 hopefully (2) identity (1) 102:17;121:13; 119:22;131:2;134:16,
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19;135:17;139:13,15, 68:17 interpretations (1) 11,18;100:7,9; Jackie (1)

21,24;153:18 instead (8) 180:6 116:20;132:6;133:24; 70:9
indulgence (1) 10:17;68:6,8;95:18; interrupt (4) 134:2;144:2,25; James (2)
179:9 147:7;151:3;154:18; 59:23;60:9;99:8,9 157:9;158:14,18; 30:11;145:2
inequitable (1) 184:25 intersects (1) 159:13;174:14 January (6)
9:13 institute (2) 15:5 investigators (8) 17:20;28:11;30:9;
influence (1) 138:5;142:19 interview (6) 29:15;33:1;82:20; 61:10;123:22;124:19
12:17 institution (1) 83:24;158:17; 158:4;163:20;164:13; Jean (1)
inform (1) 153:13 159:24;160:12;161:1, 165:4,9 30:10
34:21 institutional (1) 13 investigator's (2) Jenkins (1)
informally (1) 164:2 interviewed (3) 66:18;175:13 70:9
24:23 instructed (4) 97:12;158:17; invite (1) Jennifer (1)
information (43) 55:6;78:20;114:18; 159:24 141:3 108:18
15:12;24:16;27:9; 137:16 intimidate (1) inviting (1) Jensen (1)
28:5;32:6;45:17; instruction (19) 144:6 82:19 175:20
49:17;55:13,24; 48:25;84:4,12,15, intimidating (1) Invocation (3) Jessup (1)
64:11;74:22;79:2,23; 19;85:3;114:25; 142:24 3:6,17,18 108:19
82:14,20;86:15;89:4; 116:10;137:2,13; into (39) invoice (1) job (5)
93:15;100:8,11; 150:11;152:4,14; 6:9,9,22;16:18,19; 186:14 4:8,24;70:23;85:8;
114:23,23;123:3; 154:1,6,7,9,14,18 17:8,10;20:1;25:5; involved (11) 138:14
129:8;132:5,12,22; instructions (2) 28:17,25;31:4;33:1; 34:4;46:5;72:25; John (2)
134:22;137:5,10; 84:10;129:16 44:17;70:9;110:12; 136:22;143:21;144:1; 108:14;161:1
139:18,23;142:1; insufficient (1) 113:23;131:3;133:21; 150:22;164:10,10,14; John’s (1)
144:9;145:12;158:7, 70:17 136:16;141:2;143:1, 180:8 183:22
21;159:7,21;161:18; integrity (1) 13;144:4,7;146:7; involving (8) JOHNSON (1)
163:18;164:19,23 90:4 150:25;152:15;166:2, 49:23,24;75:18; 111:15
informed (4) intend (1) 4,7,11;167:2;168:11; 78:17;130:21;167:17; Johnston (77)
28:9;43:19;45:4; 28:12 170:2;171:6;174:5; 168:9;169:2 12:15,16;13:5,7;
153:17 intended (2) 181:23;184:25 inward (1) 19:4;21:9,18;28:20,
infraction (1) 9:9;68:23 intricate (1) 5:1 23;54:1,6,8,20;55:5,7,
171:6 intent (10) 179:18 Irene (1) 10,12;56:1;59:7,17;
infrastructure (1) 10:9;37:16;38:1,4, introduce (1) 157:22 62:25;69:8;74:2,3;
137:10 15,16,18,21;47:6; 144:15 isolated (3) 107:23,25;108:2,5,7,
initial (1) 158:20 introductory (1) 49:23,24;51:3 22,23;109:3,7,11,14,
134:1 intention (3) 3:22 issue (33) 22;110:16;111:4;
initials (3) 179:16;182:2,3 invest (1) 39:9,10,20,21,22; 113:6,8,10;114:12;
34:7;44:9;54:6 intentions (1) 16:18 42:5,6;43:7,12,15; 115:7,17,20;116:9;
initiates (1) 150:22 investigate (6) 44:1,15;45:6;46:7; 117:24;118:5,7,21;
74:18 interchangeably (1) 56:16;80:22;89:5; 47:3;64:14;68:2,12, 119:2;122:17,22,24;
inmates (6) 138:16 97:12;140:10;144:24 15;97:6;98:3;112:14; 123:2,6,20;124:11,21;
138:5;142:18,18, interest (4) investigated (3) 113:23;124:22;127:2; 125:3;126:4,16,17,19;
25;143:2,5 32:18;58:24;71:3; 97:5;119:12;123:23 142:21;143:7;147:20; 127:3,4,22,24;128:2,
inoperable (1) 99:5 investigating (2) 150:23;151:15; 23;165:12;166:25;
160:15 interested (5) 147:6,7 156:23;162:14;164:1 168:17;169:13,25;
input (10) 6:19;25:13,21; investigation (28) issued (4) 170:17,25
5:7,14;23:21;24:13; 174:6;175:16 28:15;34:22;46:8; 31:20;67:11;68:13; Johnston's (1)
25:12,20;26:10,14; interesting (1) 56:25;64:25;81:9; 111:9 120:1
29:1;148:11 38:11 83:23;85:25;87:8,12, issues (16) journey (1)
inquiries (1) interfere (2) 18,22;115:3;120:16; 42:2,2;50:9;51:4, 95:2
31:10 116:24;138:24 122:14,15;123:13,17, 23,24;87:24;112:1; judge (15)
inquiry (1) interfered (1) 19;127:10;141:18; 113:9,10,12,14; 39:13,14,18;41:6;
79:19 157:3 147:3,18,22;149:3; 116:21;150:24; 53:16;81:6;110:1;
inside (9) Interfering (6) 150:15;153:17;157:9 156:13;157:4 115:23;143:17,18;
61:19,23;69:21,24; 48:18,19,19; investigations (6) issuing (1) 148:13;169:25;
76:19;83:19;99:23; 114:22;117:1;174:10 6:16;108:10; 171:14 171:11;185:10,18
101:1;102:4 Interim (2) 156:16;157:18;161:9; item (4) judge's (1)
inspected (1) 183:10;184:21 174:22 27:12;65:18;90:10; 163:4
131:3 internet (1) investigative (3) 167:3 June (21)
inspire (1) 15:6 6:7;141:23;148:10 items (2) 30:7;31:9,19,23;
185:10 interplay (1) Investigator (29) 13:11,12 32:1,4;34:11,15,15,
instance (2) 180:4 6:2;30:17,21;47:15; 19,23;39:6;41:11;
50:5;98:18 interplayed (1) 63:13,15;78:6,7,25; J 46:9,12;50:16;52:1,4,
instances (1) 179:20 86:6;89:13,19;97:5,8, 10,25;163:11
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jurisdiction (12) 113:9,11;115:6,9,18; 116:1,5,5;119:7; 81:24;134:11 154:11,15,25;155:13;

98:5,17,17,22,22; 116:20;118:1,3,6,22; 121:6,8;123:8;140:8; libelous (1) 162:2;165:22;166:3,
106:3,15,18;135:9,10; 124:12;126:20; 144:20;157:23 86:19 7,23;172:7;188:20
141:8;149:2 130:24,25;156:14,15; laws (3) library (5) Lindsey's (1)
jury (5) 159:12;160:6,10,22; 17:15;47:7;78:10 182:23;183:3,5,12, 20:10
132:19;147:11,12; 161:12 lawsuit (3) 13 line (3)
148:8,9 87:14;146:2;163:4 license (1) 40:17;155:15;177:9
L lawyer (3) 124:16 lines (7)
K 29:8;49:10;171:3 lies (1) 18:24;71:16;84:19;
lack (5) leadership (1) 98:5 87:3;176:23;180:10;
Kalos (1) 161:14;178:15,15, 22:19 life (1) 182:24
108:17 16;183:8 learned (1) 95:21 lingering (1)
Karris (1) ladies (5) 37:23 lift (1) 121:22
108:17 134:5;143:12; least (16) 18:10 list (9)
KASPRZYCKI (11) 144:3;145:4;176:13 6:18,25;7:6;12:25; lifted (1) 7:4;29:14;39:4;
59:23;60:2,5,9,15, lady (4) 51:12;89:17;90:3,24; 95:19 158:3;159:5;161:4,
17,19,22;61:5,8;62:16 145:6,6,17,23 93:16;95:21;104:25; light (2) 17;172:24;188:12
Kathlene (1) Laine (1) 114:3;145:14;151:16; 100:5;183:7 listed (3)
111:7 70:3 158:15;177:25 likely (2) 128:25;167:10;
keep (5) Lake (2) leave (4) 68:4;142:4 168:15
34:16;41:11;66:6; 160:23,25 54:17;101:13; limit (2) listen (1)
137:9;145:19 Lang (4) 164:4;187:16 13:25;14:1 185:22
KELLING (4) 33:25;38:9,9,14 led (2) limitation (1) listened (3)
4:13;188:3,6,8 laptops (1) 3:7;171:19 148:2 56:18;64:6;168:4
Kenneth (1) 41:14 left (1) limitations (2) listening (3)
69:21 large (4) 158:12 146:10,12 57:6;149:18;171:12
kept (2) 27:7;162:16; leftover (1) limited (6) little (16)
15:2;94:12 176:25;177:16 146:5 11:1,2;106:3; 9:4;12:3;13:7;
key (3) larger (4) legislative (1) 135:22;148:9;157:6 16:14;31:7;40:15;
145:19;148:18,19 10:21,22;57:19; 61:6 limiting (1) 52:9;86:12;100:4;
keys (1) 137:22 legislator (1) 149:10 122:14,15;134:8;
131:25 largest (1) 35:16 limits (1) 136:23;153:21;
kidding (1) 176:18 legislators (1) 85:16 180:10;185:19
29:24 Larry (1) 185:7 Lindsey (147) live (6)
kind (12) 143:10 legislature (4) 3:7,19;7:19;8:5,19, 34:2;38:15;62:3,3;
36:14;38:13;71:13; last (20) 17:19;62:11; 22,23;9:1,3;12:13; 90:8;149:23
87:12;88:7;136:23; 4:19,25;18:15; 179:21;180:16 13:16;16:21,23;18:4, lived (1)
138:17;140:7,8; 29:14;30:12;42:16; lends (1) 17;20:11,17,23,25; 86:8
164:1;180:7;181:22 43:10;44:3;51:1;57:3, 71:24 21:4,13,17;22:2,10, lives (1)
knew (6) 4;65:3;120:19; lengthy (1) 15,24;23:4,7;35:13; 136:8
130:13;138:3; 138:16;158:8;173:9; 125:18 49:4,8,16;51:7,11,25; local (8)
143:20,25;164:9,9 179:12;188:7,12,15 lesser (1) 52:3,13,17,21,24; 44:21;85:21;96:2;
knowing (3) Latasha (1) 89:14 53:2,5,17,23;59:20; 131:15;134:11;
27:7;86:11,14 161:14 letter (41) 60:4,7;62:14,18,21, 140:25;141:3;184:10
knowledge (3) late (9) 31:21,22;48:24; 24;63:10;64:4,8; localities (1)
72:19;81:23;121:17 36:10;50:6;111:17; 53:19;60:5;64:11,23; 65:10,19;69:7;72:15, 179:21
knowledgeable (1) 130:1;162:22,24; 72:2;75:2,6;81:8; 23;73:2,5,14,16,19, locally (1)
30:18 163:3,7,10 82:11,19;84:4,12,15, 25;74:9;75:13,22; 144:8
known (1) later (7) 19;85:2;90:14;92:14; 78:2;79:7,10,12,15; locate (1)
136:22 6:2;23:15;41:23; 114:24;116:10,17; 80:3,24;82:15;83:7; 132:11
knows (3) 59:15;114:4;135:24; 129:17,18;130:3; 85:9;87:4;88:12;90:2; located (2)
62:1,2;145:25 145:11 137:2;144:11;150:10; 91:7,9,12,23;92:10, 131:9,20
Koth (62) latter (1) 152:2,13,14;153:11, 11,18;94:3;97:19,21, location (20)
6:1;29:20,23,25; 11:16 25;154:5,7,9,14,18; 23;106:1;108:3; 7:6;48:2;71:9;
30:3,5,16;50:25; laugh (1) 171:14;174:3 112:20;119:25; 75:19;77:8;78:12;
65:20;66:11,13; 151:19 letterhead (1) 120:10;121:1,5,8,13, 79:4;97:16,16;
67:16,21,24;69:15,17, Laughter (1) 81:5 15,20,25;122:6,9,11, 100:17;103:19;131:3,
19;76:12,13;77:13, 35:17 letters (3) 13,19,23;123:1,5,14, 10;135:15;174:18;
14;78:6;79:20;81:14, law (25) 48:12;161:19; 19,24;124:2;125:4,10, 178:10;179:12;181:1,
16,20;83:16,17;85:12, 20:2;55:10;56:2; 162:12 15,17,21,25;126:2,6; 6;184:20
13;90:16;92:20; 84:6;87:25;88:17; letting (3) 128:4,15,22;129:4,15; locations (18)
108:9,25;109:1,6,10; 89:18,19;96:17,17,18; 62:12;148:4;187:1 140:13;141:7,11,19, 41:5,6;42:13;43:3,
110:5,10;111:5,6; 97:24;98:8,16;112:5; level (2) 22;142:5;150:8; 11;46:14;61:13;71:5,
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11;141:3;157:1; 174:13 46:17 Massey (1) 77:13;80:1;89:14;

160:20;170:4;183:4, loves (1) mandate (1) 175:22 100:7;102:24;103:18;
14,20,23;184:18 153:19 9:6 match (1) 104:4;105:3,15,19;
lock (2) Lumber (1) mandates (3) 133:16 106:20;116:14;
148:17,19 126:20 16:12;17:1,10 material (3) 136:10;138:17;139:5,
lockdown (1) lunch (2) manipulating (1) 95:8;140:1;175:1 7;149:6,10,20;
133:22 130:7;159:10 184:15 materials (3) 152:19;153:12;
locked (4) manner (1) 132:18;145:21; 159:23;160:4;163:6
76:24;131:24; M 68:14 187:7 means (5)
138:6;146:9 manually (1) matter (16) 25:11;40:24;57:18;
long (9) ma'am (2) 114:9 13:2;17:12;23:10; 104:15;162:25
4:4;5:13;6:15,21; 48:8;127:23 many (13) 37:10;62:21;63:2,11; meantime (1)
61:19,20;122:4; machine (5) 15:4;16:25;45:1; 64:25;65:11;106:7; 38:22
155:16;176:23 40:11,13;47:1; 51:1;53:12;112:12; 122:17;158:2;162:5; measure (3)
longer (7) 113:23;186:8 116:23;126:15; 181:5;188:4,6 100:23;101:9;
38:9;41:20;55:19; machines (12) 146:14;162:18,19; matters (5) 105:18
90:7;119:22;149:25; 36:8,12;40:12; 181:11;183:20 36:1;56:17;135:9; mechanism (1)
163:16 46:23,25;114:20; March (6) 148:12;166:8 174:21
look (28) 135:14;138:6;153:1; 46:11;131:8;132:9; may (44) media (1)
8:16;11:19,20; 184:9,19;186:24 133:20;142:15; 12:19;13:16;16:21; 38:12
14:16;22:13;23:3; mail (14) 146:16 17:11;20:15,16; medical (1)
33:5;36:19;37:15; 31:14,17;68:9,11, Marietta (2) 31:20;32:10;42:23; 42:1
38:19,19;39:2;52:16; 11;81:6;111:10,12, 174:24;175:2 45:8,9;48:9;49:4; meet (9)
55:23;88:5,16;89:24; 25;112:8,10,11,14; Marilyn (4) 53:15;64:8;65:11,22; 7:2;11:2,20;12:10;
95:12;100:6,6; 174:3 143:15;144:3; 71:10,21;72:15; 19:23,25;82:20;
102:11;110:12; mailed (2) 145:5,23 77:20;79:7;87:4; 143:17;144:13
114:19;117:17;137:4; 32:7,8 mark (16) 90:24;94:7;97:20,21; meeting (34)
141:4;150:3;159:13 mail-in (3) 54:2;94:13;99:19; 100:4,14;109:23; 3:2,5;6:17;7:4,17,
looked (3) 183:18,25;184:11 100:24;101:3;102:5, 114:14;142:7;143:4; 22;8:3,8,15,21;25:9,
8:19;62:6;93:5 mailout (3) 7;103:16;104:7,10; 150:22;159:1,7; 15;28:13;29:2,4,6;
looking (16) 127:9,12,15 105:4,6,7,8,22;181:2 163:15,22,25;166:5; 69:4,6;82:22;88:6;
24:12;28:3;36:14; main (2) marked (7) 171:8,9,11;188:11 110:20;129:13;130:6,
39:7;45:8;53:25;70:1; 44:15;47:3 54:21;59:9,14;68:9; maybe (18) 9,15;148:1;165:14;
82:11;90:3;92:7; maintain (2) 105:20;107:9;113:25 16:23;30:19;36:5; 167:3;169:3,4,5,12;
149:3;150:6;168:2,3, 90:4;134:18 marker (5) 46:3;50:7;53:17; 172:23;189:6
8;170:1 maintained (1) 103:24;104:13,14, 67:16;89:23;93:6; meetings (6)
looks (5) 169:20 17;107:10 114:24;122:14;137:1; 6:21,25;7:5,8;
17:21;40:14;80:17, maintaining (1) marking (10) 139:6;170:17,19,21, 12:17;83:4
17;168:4 24:16 68:9,11;95:19; 21;176:3 member (6)
lose (1) makes (6) 157:1,5;180:23; Mayor (9) 5:11;19:1;33:24;
136:14 4:16,16;17:14; 181:7;186:16;187:15, 69:21,22,25;71:2; 38:10;116:25;158:16
losing (1) 73:25;80:11;148:20 17 73:6,20;85:15;93:1; MEMBERS (45)
132:23 making (15) Marks (1) 101:21 7:24;8:10;11:5;
lost (2) 17:6;18:6;27:11,18; 143:15 mayoral (1) 12:14;19:2;21:8;22:6;
112:8;133:19 47:20;52:21;71:24; Marta (2) 71:7 24:23;25:20;28:17;
lot (10) 90:4;98:5;100:20; 76:22,24 Mayors (1) 29:8;35:19;36:3;
6:2;10:25;17:23; 120:8;172:3;180:9; MASHBURN (63) 111:7 62:17;63:22;65:6;
36:12;104:6;138:13; 182:4;184:1 8:6;20:21;29:11; mayor's (1) 66:16,20;76:3;82:23;
147:13;149:11;180:9, management (2) 30:4;35:5,8,15;60:24; 71:1 83:6;84:24;91:3,19;
15 13:13;156:17 63:4,17;69:9;75:5; McGowan (12) 107:18;109:20;
lots (2) manager (15) 81:3;82:16;83:9,12; 153:19;154:10,12; 110:25;113:2;118:17;
162:23,23 48:19;54:2,3;77:4; 84:17;91:5,8;99:8,22; 167:5,7;169:1,16,20, 124:7;126:12;128:10;
Lott (18) 84:11;99:1;113:16, 100:18;107:3;117:7, 24;171:4;172:1,22 129:22;131:5;139:8;
131:13,16,19,21,25, 17,21;114:4,9;160:11, 14;118:10;121:16,21; McGowan's (1) 148:11;155:5;156:8;
25;133:2,4,5,17; 24;161:2;175:10 122:1,7,10,12,20; 90:11 165:19;166:14;
135:1,2;136:16; managers (9) 123:25;124:3;129:3, MCGOWN (1) 172:17;179:10;
137:19;152:2;153:10, 48:20;55:8;78:20; 6;140:12,14,17,19,22, 168:9 184:19;185:20;
24;154:18 116:22;144:14;157:6; 24;148:13;149:9,17; Meaghan (6) 188:25
love (2) 161:15,19;177:22 152:1,4,9,12;153:6; 4:11,11,11,14,15,18 memory (1)
6:18;181:19 manager's (4) 154:2,5;155:23; mean (35) 164:2
loved (1) 45:19,25;46:4; 160:9;163:3,9,25; 18:9,14;19:13; mentioned (4)
151:20 48:12 164:20,24;165:7,25; 30:16;40:2,21;57:16; 13:21;36:22;37:19;
lover (1) managing (1) 166:10 60:21;62:2;73:14,19; 176:20
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merely (1) minimum (1) 80:22;82:9,10,20; 24;136:13;156:4; 140:18;141:16;145:1

116:2 48:24 83:2;85:4;86:13;92:9; 165:13;166:11;167:1; narrow (5)
merits (2) minute (3) 100:5;102:12;120:16; 172:7,10;188:20 98:16,22;99:2;
87:22;88:5 42:16;43:10;178:18 121:14,14;122:14,15; moving (2) 106:15,18
mess (2) minutes (23) 123:12;126:15,17; 21:25;103:15 nature (3)
77:10;185:13 6:5,6;7:15,16,17,18, 129:7;142:4;149:24; MT (1) 14:6;52:25;171:6
message (4) 22;8:2,3,8;29:21; 153:9;163:1,2; 53:6 necessarily (7)
54:9,10;95:15,22 40:7;66:4,4,7;166:1; 164:22;171:24; much (24) 5:6;9:16;71:24;
messing (2) 173:17;175:4;183:1, 172:24;181:10,20; 4:8,14;12:3,4;23:6; 92:4,8;106:16;120:22
106:4;151:21 3,12,14;185:23 185:3;187:13 27:3;31:6;41:20; necessary (12)
met (3) mis (1) Morgan (4) 47:11,12;61:5,6;92:9; 6:22;11:15;12:2;
5:9;100:20;107:6 39:1 113:9,10;114:7; 96:22;135:23;148:5; 15:21;17:3;19:23;
method (3) mis- (1) 116:10 181:5,18;182:6,16,22; 20:7;41:18;65:14,17;
9:8,10;68:16 58:9 morning (13) 185:14;187:23,24 116:5;157:8
Methodist (4) miserable (1) 8:14;20:23;30:23, multi-factor (1) need (56)
77:1,11;79:10;80:2 184:1 24;35:19;76:23; 13:12 4:17,23;7:13;11:10,
methodology (1) misplaced (1) 94:11,25,25;95:5,7; multi-hour (1) 23;12:6,8;13:21;14:5,
180:8 132:4 101:22;136:25 6:14 13,17;15:2,2,22;17:5,
metropolitan (1) misrepresent (1) most (14) multiple (9) 10;18:8;19:21,23;
27:8 135:18 19:6,6;27:22;48:1; 41:25;42:13;57:10; 20:4,25;23:19;24:16;
Metz (4) misrepresented (4) 49:22;50:6;55:22; 67:11;86:5;113:25; 25:22;44:11;45:4;
185:17,18,24;186:1 131:17;139:13,24; 61:17;138:12;144:8; 168:20,22;170:18 52:6;53:21;56:2,15;
mic (1) 141:2 177:12;181:7;187:7,9 multi-state (1) 57:11;58:16;91:5,9;
29:25 missed (5) motion (58) 118:22 93:12,12;98:25;
Michael (1) 37:2;57:9;165:24, 7:18;8:4;20:9,12, multi-tasking (1) 111:19;120:16;
96:24 24;179:7 13;22:4;50:10;51:17; 83:4 123:12;136:4;140:19;
microphone (11) missing (3) 52:22;59:21;62:19, municipal (2) 143:9;153:15;162:4,
3:8,10;31:2;35:2,3, 45:18;46:3;48:11 21;63:16,21,25; 69:20;70:20 21;165:4;166:4;
5,8,9;60:13,25;185:19 mistake (1) 64:18;65:4,10;74:8; municipalities (1) 169:21;181:1;184:9,
mid- (1) 37:17 75:19;81:1;84:23; 186:6 9,10,10,11;185:11
173:5 mistakenly (1) 85:2;88:15;91:6,11; Museum (1) need-based (1)
middle (1) 68:9 94:1;107:2,3;110:23; 183:21 184:12
104:4 mistakes (1) 112:18;113:5;118:20; must (3) needed (9)
midstream (1) 57:8 120:14;123:18;126:5; 68:19;184:16; 12:4;19:16;34:21;
58:2 mitigating (1) 128:13,18;129:10,14, 186:10 58:2;74:19;140:10;
mid-terms (1) 171:8 25;153:23;154:22; mutually (1) 147:2;158:10;168:25
28:4 mitigation (2) 155:3,8,22;156:2,11; 122:22 needs (25)
mid-town (1) 56:20;153:9 165:6,7,18;166:4,12, myself (6) 9:16;10:25,25;
182:20 mixed (3) 21;172:4,16,20; 3:15;89:17;98:2; 11:10,19,21;13:14,24;
might (18) 54:8,10;162:8 188:19 138:15;162:4;180:20 14:8,8,20;17:2;19:16,
13:15;14:1;15:23; module (2) move (39) MyVoter (1) 25;23:17,20;88:1;
19:17;20:12;23:16; 68:6,20 8:5;12:7;20:17; 78:19 121:14,14;123:22;
56:20;57:15;65:2; Monday (1) 28:15,17;63:11; 150:1;163:2;166:4;
67:19;70:18;89:25; 17:20 66:14;74:3,16;75:20; N 184:11,15
104:13;153:17,20; money (8) 77:8,23;82:15;84:15; negative (2)
154:9;169:15;185:18 10:20;15:19,23; 88:12,15;96:20; NAACP (1) 113:21;116:19
Milan (1) 18:1;19:13,15;20:4; 105:7,21;107:12; 113:17 neglect (1)
167:17 177:8 110:12;118:7;125:8; Nadine (5) 157:16
military (1) monitors (5) 129:10;150:12,24; 78:7;183:11; negotiated (2)
184:13 38:2;78:18;82:4; 151:11,16;152:3; 184:16,16,21 167:9;171:10
million (1) 116:4,7 153:19,24;154:16; name (21) nerd (1)
177:2 month (1) 155:16,22,23;165:7; 30:12;31:14;33:25; 173:5
millions (1) 120:20 166:7,23;169:21 35:20,23;45:19,25; net (2)
186:13 months (5) moved (39) 46:4;61:7;96:24; 68:5,20
Milton (3) 3:25;4:19,25;18:15; 7:19,21;8:7;20:22; 124:13,17,20;142:13; network (1)
182:23;183:3,12 152:24 29:12;64:22;75:23; 144:23;157:21; 13:14
mind (5) more (54) 77:3;80:2;82:17; 174:14;176:15; nevertheless (1)
26:16;49:17; 4:25;10:8,22,23; 84:18;95:19;97:15; 179:10;182:11;188:7 12:6
104:23;112:9;118:7 11:1,1,13;14:4;19:4; 99:20;100:20;101:4, named (5) new (40)
Mine's (1) 20:4,4;26:24;30:17; 7,7,17;102:5;103:8; 31:8;70:3,8;139:21; 9:19;16:8;17:22;
61:4 32:2;39:1;46:12,13; 104:8;110:19;112:21; 167:15 21:6;36:4,7;37:6,22;
minimal (2) 52:12;57:20;66:21; 118:11;120:11;124:4; names (5) 38:18;41:20;46:15,
87:12;170:5 69:2;70:20;79:22; 125:22;126:7;128:5, 48:12;124:21; 20,20;57:15;58:5;
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103:23,25;104:17; 111:19;115:23; offered (2) 49:10,24,24;50:7;

118:24;119:4,5,13,14, 133:20;139:9;158:2, O 10:13;160:18 55:25;57:3,3;59:24;
17,19,24;120:2,4,4,5, 24;171:11;172:3 offering (1) 60:2,4;62:9;65:15;
20,23,24;123:4; notebooks (1) oath (8) 56:19 66:25;68:22;69:19;
140:7;146:19;160:16, 4:15 32:13;34:24;43:21; Office (67) 72:22;73:7;74:18;
17;178:6,8 noted (2) 44:1,2;55:8,21;123:2 9:22;24:24;29:17; 80:3;85:4,18;86:8;
next (33) 113:20;114:2 oaths (1) 30:6;32:21,23;33:14; 87:15,16;88:16;
6:25;7:3;13:22,22; notes (1) 43:20 36:3;44:17;45:15; 91:23;93:3;94:14;
17:17;18:25;23:9; 175:13 objected (1) 48:1,24;49:18;56:9, 97:16;98:19;99:20;
25:9;29:4;38:8;39:4; nothing's (1) 116:18 15,24;63:3;64:1;70:1; 101:4,8,17;103:4;
41:9;42:9;43:5,17; 94:21 objection (6) 71:1,2,8;72:8;73:12; 110:1,2;113:15;
64:2;69:13,14;83:13; notice (20) 69:5,7,9;130:17; 76:14;77:16;84:3,9; 114:3;116:19,23;
88:6;90:11;94:11; 21:11;34:20;38:3,4, 152:17;155:24 87:18;93:22;106:13; 119:13;120:3,17;
111:3;113:5;118:20; 5,6;42:10,24;43:4,6,7, obligation (1) 108:9;111:21;114:25; 123:9,21;125:20;
124:10,11;138:18; 12,21;69:1;77:22; 100:21 115:12;130:23; 126:17;127:2;129:15;
140:3;146:17,20; 89:11;159:3;161:15; oblivious (1) 131:11,16;134:13; 131:20;143:10;144:3;
167:3;181:20 162:11;186:2 77:5 136:21,23;137:6; 145:6,13;146:18;
nice (1) noticed (5) observation (1) 139:4,19;140:7; 148:6;150:13;151:2;
104:20 31:24;37:3,13; 113:16 141:15,15;142:16; 153:11;156:19,22,23;
Nicholls (1) 60:12;173:8 observe (1) 145:15;147:4;152:21; 157:2;159:19;163:5;
85:10 notices (7) 70:2 153:15;154:17,23; 164:14;167:11,20;
Nicki (1) 12:25;42:20,21; observed (5) 155:12,18;156:15; 170:3;171:11,24;
126:21 43:1,8,22;162:14 67:7;70:1;83:18; 157:17;160:16;167:9, 173:4,16;174:5,15,25;
night (6) notification (4) 114:4;131:20 18;168:1;169:9; 175:10;176:18,22;
94:10;98:11;99:17; 37:20;108:12; observer (2) 170:16,22;172:6,11 177:6,9;178:16,18;
105:20;173:5,6 160:24;174:3 118:3,6 officer (2) 181:5;186:14
nine (1) notifications (1) observers (1) 142:21;174:25 ones (13)
125:6 161:25 118:5 officers (3) 10:5;32:20;33:6;
nine-hour (1) notified (2) observing (2) 44:6,8;142:24 41:7,7,8;43:9;45:21;
6:11 108:20;161:16 114:15;117:6 offices (5) 122:8;123:15;127:25;
nine-week (1) notify (1) obstruction (2) 15:1;30:10;44:6; 159:13;177:10
125:7 33:20 75:9;92:22 70:21;71:6 online (1)
Nobody (5) notifying (2) obtain (2) official (15) 88:24
62:2;81:17;100:3; 157:2;160:21 113:18;163:11 26:1;71:12;82:11; only (42)
148:8;161:9 November (11) obtained (2) 89:20;99:1;106:8; 3:24;14:23;17:9;
nobody's (1) 50:17;68:1;76:16; 32:13;139:25 134:9,18,19;135:18; 37:10;42:19,25;43:3;
149:22 92:23;108:21;120:19, obvious (1) 136:1;138:9;143:22; 46:16;47:21;49:18;
non-affiliated (1) 25;123:21;124:17; 76:25 159:10;187:14 55:4,14,20;59:4;
136:7 125:6;136:15 obviously (2) officials (9) 61:20;77:11;83:4;
non-credentialed (1) number (55) 149:6;152:19 26:16,25;51:8; 84:1;86:6;89:11;
117:23 5:13;17:15;24:21; occasion (1) 55:22,23;70:22; 100:14;106:23;
none (10) 30:5;33:13,19,23; 5:10 136:15;145:23; 127:10;128:2;131:24;
24:9;63:20;76:1; 34:4,10,13,18;35:6; occurred (10) 168:10 135:16;138:12;
78:3;80:11;112:25; 39:5,5;41:9;52:10; 32:9,11;34:8,12; often (2) 145:13;146:16;
118:15;127:12;132:3; 60:16,18,20,21;75:17; 46:2,12;70:6;167:19; 14:15;170:11 149:19;151:9;170:5;
174:19 89:3;91:18;92:13; 170:4,7 old (1) 171:2;174:24;175:3,
non-official (1) 97:19;107:24,25; OCGA (8) 120:7 9;181:20;183:3;
136:5 108:1,18;111:4; 49:19;61:16;62:6; once (13) 185:3,21;187:5,8
non-resident (1) 112:22;113:6;115:2, 114:13;132:18; 15:11;25:7;29:4; open (27)
85:14 7;117:18,21;118:12; 157:16;174:9;186:5 54:15;69:2;103:23; 12:14;15:23;24:19;
noon (1) 124:5;130:21;133:10; o'clock (3) 112:11;119:7,20; 25:18;34:11;39:6,8,
126:16 138:12;143:23;156:6, 40:18,22;130:1 120:3;121:9;140:9; 10,15;40:8,18,21;
nor (1) 12;160:6;162:16; odd (2) 143:2 44:19;45:3,11,23;
154:20 167:8;171:7;174:2; 17:15;173:8 one (126) 53:10,13;54:15;
normal (1) 177:23;180:22,24; off (10) 3:15;6:11,12;12:21; 140:3;144:17;147:21,
77:7 184:18,18,19 9:25;76:23;80:16; 17:1,5;18:11,11;19:4; 22;156:25;162:12;
normally (1) numbers (7) 105:5,20;140:9; 21:14;23:12,15,16,17, 168:21;186:21
36:5 113:18;114:21,21, 150:9,10;179:14; 20;24:11;26:8,23; opened (8)
North (4) 21;117:4,17;178:2 183:21 27:12;29:14;31:7,13; 45:22;50:6;114:4;
183:4;184:17,24; numerous (1) offended (1) 32:6;36:23,25;37:9, 125:8;156:24;159:16,
185:1 78:25 153:21 15;38:9;41:12;42:9, 18,20
note (11) offer (2) 11,12,23;43:12,19; opening (1)
48:20;65:16;93:5; 17:11;182:19 44:3,4,10;47:21,21; 55:17
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openings (4) 184:3 25:3 47:17;70:19;168:9 23;139:5,6;141:20;

162:24;163:3,7,10 otherwise (6) oversight (1) parties (5) 144:7,8;145:15,22;
openly (1) 129:3,4,9;143:5; 37:22 25:13,21;38:3,5; 148:18;149:20,24;
86:13 167:24;171:9 own (4) 181:11 150:2,3,6,24;151:12,
operate (1) ought (7) 11:14,21;141:5; part-time (1) 20;152:25;153:5;
98:7 14:4;23:14;80:22; 184:16 145:14 159:15;161:8;164:6,
operating (1) 82:9;90:10;93:15; party (5) 9;168:5;172:24;
13:11 139:3 P 116:7;131:6;132:7; 174:23;178:8;180:5;
operation (3) ourselves (2) 137:9;143:15 181:8,21
11:8;17:3;19:9 141:18;149:21 pad (3) pass (2) Peoples (1)
operational (9) out (84) 114:20;181:18,21 186:8;187:22 176:16
11:12;12:1;14:6; 5:8;9:6,22;11:24; pads (3) passage (1) people's (2)
16:7,10,15;18:22; 12:20;13:24;15:21; 160:2,13,14 115:25 50:4;153:2
21:23;181:22 18:20;25:24;27:1; page (1) passed (3) per (4)
operations (2) 36:24;37:4,25;41:23; 78:19 10:9;133:25;186:10 47:22;78:16;
25:6;179:20 43:8,9,10;46:25; pages (1) passes (5) 124:25;177:2
opponent (1) 65:17;68:11,11;70:1, 185:21 22:9;63:25;83:1; perfect (2)
106:9 18;71:15,19;72:8; paid (1) 85:2;165:22 14:24;49:5
opportunity (13) 73:6,7;78:4;79:23; 85:19 past (15) perfectly (1)
24:2;69:1;70:18; 80:10;83:18;86:12, pandemic (2) 6:15,21;8:13;54:11; 125:11
71:4;74:25;77:23,24; 20;94:5;95:3,6,11; 42:1;46:10 94:12;99:19;101:3; perform (1)
92:15,16;110:14; 96:3,15;97:8,24;98:4, panel (1) 105:6,21;122:8; 4:10
168:19;176:14; 9;99:20;100:7,22; 115:4 152:24;179:24; performance (7)
177:21 101:3,25;104:8; panels (1) 180:18,19;182:23 27:14,15,17,21;
oppose (1) 105:7;110:13;119:10; 116:1 Patricia (1) 49:21;51:5;65:14
63:23 121:10;126:22; paper (14) 160:10 performing (1)
Opposed (26) 127:16;130:18; 113:24;114:5; pattern (4) 116:25
7:25;8:11;12:17; 136:10,20;138:11; 177:2;186:7,13,15,23; 6:23;52:4;87:5; perhaps (5)
14:6;17:25;22:7;65:7; 140:6;142:18;144:10, 187:3,6,8,12,15,16,21 88:2 18:19;20:12;58:15;
76:4;82:24;84:25; 13;145:22;147:1; papers (1) patterns (2) 88:6;150:21
91:20;98:18;107:19; 148:10;150:6;151:10; 142:22 52:18;92:3 period (5)
111:1;113:3;118:18; 152:22;153:5;155:9, paperwork (1) pay (4) 51:3;92:2;111:17;
124:8;126:13;128:11; 10;161:7;162:13; 185:9 96:14,15;171:7; 125:7,18
129:23;155:6;156:9; 163:21;173:17;174:4; paragraph (1) 186:10 perjurious (1)
165:20;166:15; 178:4,4,5,10;184:25; 21:22 payers (1) 89:2
172:18;189:1 185:7 Pardon (1) 96:14 perjury (1)
OPPs (1) outcome (1) 13:6 PD (1) 89:1
177:23 86:24 Park (5) 95:10 permanently (1)
option (1) outer (1) 92:23;94:20;95:4, peace (1) 112:7
138:1 61:22 11,23 153:13 permitted (1)
order (30) outlined (1) parking (3) Peachtree (6) 114:14
3:3;11:2;12:2; 84:20 80:14,15;188:11 77:1,11;80:2,4,9; perpetrator (1)
14:21;27:16;39:18; outside (17) part (23) 81:24 147:19
64:15;66:3,10; 7:9;45:24;54:18; 16:25;18:3;37:22; penalty (5) person (28)
114:25;119:12,12; 61:19;85:18;94:10; 39:1;42:7;48:17;61:6; 88:25;152:22; 4:15,21;44:15;
130:18;131:17; 99:24;100:21,23; 62:24;64:2;87:11; 169:14;170:5,20 54:16;61:15;68:9;
152:20;153:8;155:9, 101:1;102:1,4,15,19; 102:7;105:18;143:18, Penton (2) 103:4;106:10;111:8,
10;163:4,11;167:11, 103:25;106:11;117:9 19;154:22;169:16,20; 83:18,22 11;112:4,11;116:19;
21;169:16,22;170:16; outstanding (4) 171:13,16,17;172:2, people (86) 117:8,22;119:15,20;
171:17;172:3;180:20; 158:5;159:8; 23;176:25 3:9;4:5,23;5:8,14, 124:21;127:17;
186:10;188:15 163:15,22 participated (1) 19,21;6:16;15:14,21; 145:13,13;147:19;
ordered (1) outward (1) 137:5 19:17;23:21;26:21; 149:20;161:10;
185:9 5:1 participation (1) 34:3;36:11;37:7; 174:25;175:9;183:7;
orders (10) over (30) 189:4 39:10,15;40:1,2;41:3, 184:2
167:9,13,14,25,25; 8:21;11:12;18:13, particular (20) 25;45:7;55:24;57:14; personal (3)
172:5,5,6,12,12 14;23:3,12,22;36:6, 9:16;10:19;11:9,11, 58:23;64:15;70:5; 81:23;114:23;
organization (2) 25;53:21;57:10,10; 18,19;14:8,8,9;17:2; 74:21;77:2;80:6,8; 137:13
5:18;22:11 94:14,20,20,20,22,22; 48:15;87:20;90:15; 85:17;86:5;87:16; personally (4)
original (3) 101:6,23;103:24; 95:5;119:4;121:17; 88:17,20,22;89:3,6,7; 3:4;137:16;154:20,
36:24;177:5;186:19 106:19;121:7;149:2; 162:10;169:5,8; 90:3,5;93:10;99:19; 21
others (7) 164:11;169:4,9; 171:25 105:21;106:9,12; personnel (2)
9:15;26:11;30:12; 170:4;184:18;187:18 particularly (6) 117:18;119:3;135:16, 132:3;166:8
74:14;124:10;128:14; overly (1) 11:22;16:13;17:11; 19,24;138:12,18,22, persons (1)
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77:19 17:7;18:22;31:14; 34:6;44:6,8;45:19, postcards (4) preparing (1)

person's (1) 43:1;61:25;65:12; 19,25,25;46:4,10,12, 43:2,9;162:12,13 159:11
47:21 78:15,16,23;85:17; 14;48:11,12,18,20,25; posted (7) pre-printed (1)
perspective (1) 95:8;107:5;112:1; 54:2;55:7,16,21; 12:23,25;21:10; 187:3
158:20 135:14;139:9 60:11;61:8,17;62:5; 43:6,11;78:10;161:22 prerogative (1)
persuade (1) places (9) 69:24;70:2,9;75:19; post-election (1) 71:14
151:12 15:7;34:21;40:7,8; 76:19;77:4,4;78:19; 25:6 prescribed (1)
pertaining (2) 50:6;77:19;81:23; 84:11,11;95:16;98:6, postmarked (1) 186:23
132:13,23 122:3;135:20 25;111:18;113:9,10, 110:6 presence (1)
pest (3) placing (1) 12,15,17,19,20;114:4, potential (5) 189:5
156:23;165:2,2 42:20 9,13,14,17,20;115:15, 77:17;78:3,4; present (9)
Pete (1) plain (1) 21;116:11,22,22,23, 132:14;157:13 22:11;29:1;69:15;
126:22 148:16 23;117:1,3,4,5,7,9,10, potentially (1) 74:25;95:14;140:11;
Peter (2) Plaintiff (1) 12,15,25;126:24; 86:18 147:14;167:13;169:5
108:16;127:13 95:6 127:10,20;130:21; power (2) presentation (1)
ph (2) plan (2) 131:1,2;132:5,8,11, 50:20;106:19 132:19
120:18;126:21 9:19;168:23 21,24;134:9,15,18,19, PPP (1) presented (3)
Phil (1) play (3) 25;136:1;138:6,8,9, 146:23 79:6;131:13;169:6
145:4 137:18,19;164:2 15,15;144:8,10,11,14; practicable (1) presenting (1)
Phillip (1) plead (1) 145:10,10,20;151:18; 25:2 167:8
149:13 95:21 156:20;157:6;160:2, practical (5) preservation (1)
phone (4) pleading (1) 11,13,14,24;161:2,15, 26:14,14,17;149:8, 132:19
34:1;41:24;42:3; 149:7 19;168:21;174:17; 15 presided (1)
83:19 Please (18) 175:10;177:22,22; practically (1) 169:3
phones (7) 3:12,19,21;31:4; 179:12;181:18,21 27:2 presidential (2)
34:16;41:12,14,19, 57:7;60:14;62:20; polling (35) practice (4) 124:17;146:22
22;42:7,8 65:20;66:10,11; 34:21;39:8,11,18; 17:13,13;71:11,20 press (1)
photo (1) 69:18;78:14;107:24; 40:8;42:11,13;43:3; practiced (1) 161:20
85:20 118:16;130:11;155:3; 46:14;48:2;49:1;50:5; 149:12 PRETORIUS (47)
photograph (2) 156:14;187:19 61:13;71:5;77:19; practices (2) 35:7,11,14,18,23,
83:20,22 pleased (1) 78:17,19;79:13,24; 25:5;70:20 23;39:25;40:4,6,20,
photographed (1) 83:12 80:1,7,20;82:5;84:7; precaution (1) 23;41:1,4;45:15;46:1,
139:25 Pledge (2) 100:15;104:15; 53:16 7;47:9,10,23;49:2,15;
photographs (1) 3:7,20 105:10;131:2,10; precautionary (1) 51:22;52:2;53:4,8,11,
84:1 Plus (2) 135:25;136:15; 41:5 14;54:5,7,10,22;55:6,
pick (1) 146:17,22 156:20;174:18; precautions (1) 9,11,14;56:3,11,13,
60:13 pm (3) 179:12;183:14 150:2 22;57:1;58:22;59:5;
pictures (3) 166:20;178:20; polls (8) precinct (33) 61:1,4;64:3;65:24;
95:13,24;131:7 189:6 34:10;39:5,9,14; 57:21;113:13,15, 66:1
piece (1) point (24) 40:18,21;42:16;55:13 19;114:7;115:13; pretty (5)
178:7 16:16;18:20;49:6; pops (1) 127:17;143:1;146:18; 17:19;31:6;33:11;
piggyback (1) 59:4,10;70:18;71:13; 146:21 149:13;151:9,15,20; 74:21;185:22
179:14 86:12;112:12;114:17; population (3) 152:3;156:19,22,23, prevent (2)
pilot (2) 116:3;117:24;120:1, 10:16;11:1;15:19 24;157:1,2;159:19, 68:17;117:5
181:18,21 3;122:6;125:9;140:9; position (3) 20;160:13,20;161:3, prevented (1)
Pitts (1) 153:3,5;179:2; 3:25;47:16;49:9 15,17,20,21,24; 113:16
173:9 180:12,19;181:6,10 possesses (1) 162:10;178:8;184:10 previous (4)
place (47) pointed (1) 124:15 precincts (16) 12:16;34:21;77:21;
25:14;39:3;41:17; 82:6 possession (1) 40:2;53:7,9,12; 93:25
42:11;43:4,14;45:10; pointing (2) 34:17 142:16;156:20,21,24, previously (7)
49:1;64:13;73:10; 11:24;174:4 possibilities (1) 25;157:4;159:16,18; 27:15;81:5;86:8;
78:17,18;79:4,13; points (1) 9:23 161:5,16,22;168:21 119:24;128:19;
80:1,6,7,20;82:4,5,8, 149:2 possibility (1) predecessor (1) 148:14;185:9
8;84:7;87:20;88:2; police (3) 10:17 134:12 primary (10)
92:22;95:13;96:19; 94:18;174:24;175:2 possible (9) preexisting (1) 30:7,8;34:16,19;
98:4;100:14,15; policies (1) 10:12;45:12;71:10, 116:1 39:7;41:11;72:24;
103:20;104:14,15; 16:13 10,21;101:24;106:4, prefer (2) 108:13;156:17;
105:11;106:12;116:6, policy (11) 4;139:17 11:8;13:23 163:12
6;133:20;135:25; 41:18;42:7;96:17; possibly (1) preliminary (1) printed (3)
136:5,15;144:16; 109:8;144:17;162:14; 32:10 158:2 184:7;187:15,16
146:19;151:18; 176:15;179:11,18; post (4) prepared (4) printers/scanners (1)
186:19,20 180:8;182:4 34:2,20;42:10; 15:24;17:16;29:17; 156:22
placed (15) poll (116) 150:3 162:25 prior (13)
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33:21,22;34:14; produced (1) 50:15;58:18;77:25; puts (4) 135:7

38:7;41:10;43:20; 158:15 82:19;141:17;157:8; 4:15;98:13;106:9, ready (6)
70:7;94:10;115:24; program (5) 158:23;159:6;161:24; 11 29:23;41:3;66:12;
131:7;146:1;160:13; 10:18;11:17;12:8; 163:13,14,18;164:23; putting (3) 138:7;146:17;148:2
161:23 13:9;176:17 184:19 16:5;112:10;171:21 real (4)
prioritize (1) programmed (2) provided (11) 48:17;125:2;
23:18 58:10;160:14 12:5;66:18;68:4; Q 139:10,10
private (2) programs (1) 78:20;113:14;115:15; realities (2)
9:15;12:5 176:18 145:1;158:7,10; QR (1) 149:8,15
privilege (1) progress (3) 168:23;174:13 184:9 realize (2)
182:16 66:6;181:15,20 provider (1) qualifies (1) 33:15;178:6
privy (1) prohibited (2) 15:6 106:7 realized (2)
85:25 41:16;84:6 providing (4) quarter (2) 142:20;143:14
probably (15) project (2) 117:4;158:21; 166:18,18 really (22)
7:3;10:8;11:10; 181:18,21 177:19;178:19 quarterly (1) 4:4,5;15:17;16:19;
19:6;23:16;25:9; projects (1) provisional (2) 130:12 17:21;21:6;24:2;
30:17;50:4;52:15; 16:3 160:19;178:11 questionable (1) 47:14;51:25;89:10;
71:23;79:3;88:5;93:7; promise (3) proximity (1) 87:17 121:2;123:16;136:11;
106:23;147:4 96:4,4;129:18 183:15 quick (2) 137:3;140:1;153:19;
problem (15) promoted (1) public (28) 40:16;154:3 168:18,24;179:3;
33:8;41:24;44:12; 183:19 4:10;5:3,3,4,5; quickly (1) 181:5;183:3;188:9
50:7,8;79:19;106:1,2, pronounce (1) 12:24;13:1,3;21:10, 17:19 real-time (1)
14;125:2;143:23; 30:12 11;24:19;25:21;83:9; Quinn (5) 27:21
148:15,16,20;181:14 proof (2) 86:1;96:2;106:6; 126:22,24;127:5,8, rear (1)
problematic (1) 95:24;107:5 108:11,12,15,17; 14 77:4
80:25 proofed (1) 109:5,8;113:16; quite (3) reason (8)
problems (8) 33:14 117:20;118:2;171:12; 10:22;11:19;49:16 44:11,25;54:14;
39:11;58:6,12; proofing (3) 172:24;176:14 55:3;85:7;122:13;
75:18;148:7;168:20; 57:5,9,16 publicly (6) R 162:3;177:3
179:1;185:6 proper (9) 12:23;21:10,15; reasonable (5)
procedure (11) 54:23,24;78:10; 24:17;25:11;28:2 race (1) 26:17;135:12,14;
40:15;45:5,14; 113:12;114:18;140:3; publish (2) 114:1 180:5;184:2
54:23,24;55:4;56:5; 143:3;150:5,12 24:25;25:9 races (4) reasoning (1)
114:18;137:20;138:4; properly (5) published (2) 33:16;57:19,25; 72:5
144:7 44:7;47:19;132:21; 29:5;161:20 58:1 reasons (4)
procedures (3) 133:5;178:4 pull (5) Rachel (1) 24:11;34:12;
113:13;150:12,19 property (1) 31:2;35:12,13; 6:1 176:22;180:16
proceed (2) 106:6 155:11,19 ran (1) Reboredo (1)
93:7,8 proportions (1) pulled (3) 96:11 176:1
proceedings (1) 46:18 67:8;68:10;142:20 Randy (11) R-E-B-O-R-E-D-O (1)
185:9 proposal (2) purpose (8) 131:5,23;132:10, 176:3
process (35) 12:20;59:19 10:7;14:10;56:7; 15,17,20;133:2,4; recall (1)
15:13,15;17:23; propose (1) 58:18;59:2;86:23; 142:13;144:8;188:1 110:7
20:7;24:14,20;25:17; 21:21 100:20;114:15 range (2) receive (8)
26:6;27:10;28:14; proposed (7) purposed (1) 14:2;27:7 10:22;11:14;18:9;
29:3;37:12;38:17,21, 9:8;18:4;28:21; 56:25 rather (9) 22:23;28:9,10;85:22;
25;44:6,22;45:1; 128:16,25;168:14; purposes (4) 9:9;11:8,11,13; 110:9
58:12,15;59:10,11,15; 185:13 14:24;18:1,5;68:4 71:5;93:16;111:22; received (36)
64:2;74:20;89:8;90:4, prosecutorial (1) pursue (2) 137:13;152:19 8:18;9:14,19;24:12;
7;153:14;157:3; 142:3 141:25;164:6 Raymond (1) 30:6;31:25;36:5;37:6,
160:15;164:13,16; protect (3) put (41) 76:15 6;57:24;58:1;60:5;
170:9;179:25 54:14;90:5;182:10 7:4;9:6;16:6;22:10, reach (1) 67:25;75:2,7;76:14;
processed (1) protection (1) 22;28:13,25;37:25; 5:8 92:14,21;108:10;
41:21 176:19 42:21;43:8;46:3; reaching (3) 110:3,5;111:12,14,16,
processes (4) protections (1) 65:17;69:11;82:12; 16:16;136:20;140:6 20,20,21;112:2,17;
14:22;43:14,16; 150:5 86:18;90:10;94:9; reaction (1) 134:10;156:16,23;
171:16 protocol (1) 98:11;99:17;100:14, 65:13 159:19;160:17;
processing (10) 95:1 15,17;101:23;102:15, read (9) 161:19;162:11
24:5;33:22;34:1,14, prove (2) 18;103:20,20,23,24; 16:25;30:14,19; receives (1)
23;41:10,16;60:20; 73:4;95:25 104:13,17;106:9; 61:7;105:18;117:7; 57:21
67:10;141:16 provide (20) 121:15;145:20; 185:25;188:1,2 receiving (2)
proclivity (1) 13:25;14:21;18:6; 174:11;177:1;186:7, reading (4) 108:11,19
6:3 19:24;29:1;34:25; 19,20,22,24 55:17;61:6;86:2; recent (1)
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169:4 162:4 119:14;134:11 8:18,19;9:7,21; 119:14

recess (4) redistricting (1) registers (2) 11:24;12:12;16:3,24; research (6)
66:4,7,8;166:20 178:9 119:17;120:24 17:2;18:19;20:13,18, 13:7;32:2;47:12;
recipient (1) redrafted (1) registrar (1) 23;21:8,15,22;23:10; 49:8;67:4;82:9
13:10 24:22 148:21 26:3,4;27:13;28:1,7, researched (2)
recipients (1) reduced (2) registrar's (3) 10,12,16;29:16; 67:12;68:2
12:19 77:9;183:21 36:3;44:17;48:1 33:12;94:19;95:12; reserve (1)
recognize (3) reduction (1) registration (13) 96:3;109:10;133:22; 20:5
26:21;52:24;170:9 171:9 118:22;119:19; 159:3;165:10;167:5,8 reside (1)
recognized (1) re-election (3) 120:7;121:9,23; reported (16) 85:15
4:23 69:22;70:22;73:9 122:25;125:7;132:15, 27:15;31:8,18; residence (1)
Recognizing (1) reemphasize (1) 17;133:1,4;158:1; 64:24,25;85:13; 123:9
71:20 148:13 180:15 108:16,18,19;111:7; residency (4)
recollection (1) refer (13) Registrations (1) 118:23;124:13;131:1, 119:9,21;120:22;
158:19 48:23;56:14;62:21; 184:23 5,22,23 124:23
recommend (7) 63:2;93:22;139:3; regrettably (1) reporting (4) resident (4)
12:22;48:23;84:3; 141:20;147:4;153:15, 90:7 6:17;28:8;93:10; 121:3;122:18;
112:13;128:3,17; 20,23;154:17,23 regular (2) 173:7 123:6;182:20
167:24 reference (17) 59:22;66:3 reports (6) residents (1)
recommendation (19) 31:1,6,15;32:2,6, regularly (1) 8:14;22:18;23:2; 123:12
8:20;9:25;10:4; 11;33:12,19,23;34:4, 130:12 29:14;66:19;126:21 residing (1)
11:16,23;13:17; 10,11,18,18;46:5; regulate (1) represent (1) 86:5
20:10;29:14;63:7; 120:1;127:7 96:17 139:21 resigned (1)
71:15;72:3,6;74:6; referenced (1) related (4) representative (6) 134:12
89:12;97:11;100:10; 134:21 83:23;126:25; 46:24;56:18;64:6; resisted (1)
155:23;156:5;169:10 referendum (6) 161:18;164:5 113:17;117:11,23 113:17
recommendations (7) 186:8,9,20,23,25; relates (2) representatives (1) resolution (3)
17:18;18:12,19; 187:22 23:24;109:14 57:23 152:13;170:23;
63:13;72:9;88:7; referral (6) release (1) represented (1) 171:21
172:11 29:16;32:21;84:9; 161:20 69:2 resolve (1)
recommended (11) 130:22;155:12,17 reliable (1) representing (3) 155:16
19:1;56:8;63:15; referred (6) 183:22 35:25;96:25;157:23 resolved (2)
66:15;129:1,11; 32:22;56:9;64:1; rely (1) reprimand (1) 68:2;170:24
130:22;155:12,17; 80:9;139:18;141:14 6:2 167:21 resolves (1)
168:3;172:6 referring (4) remain (1) reputations (1) 167:12
recommending (4) 56:23;84:3;117:8; 72:25 90:5 resources (17)
32:21;167:16,19; 171:5 remarks (1) request (8) 5:8;10:23;11:15;
168:6 refers (1) 3:22 18:5;50:13;67:2; 12:9;14:15,20;16:14,
record (14) 158:25 remedial (2) 69:3;116:9;130:1; 19;17:9,24,24;18:3,7;
15:3;16:6;31:10; reflect (1) 50:18;51:15 160:16;175:12 137:22;142:3;171:15,
68:8;85:9;95:10; 9:16 remedies (1) requested (9) 22
125:12;132:8;139:18; refusal (2) 168:4 31:8,11,19;32:7; respect (4)
150:18;162:2;169:14, 157:7,16 remedy (5) 110:7;158:3,4,24; 75:17;153:24;
17;186:22 regard (4) 89:24;154:14; 169:12 170:13;172:12
recorded (1) 21:23;47:17;48:15; 169:8,11;170:11 requesting (1) respectful (2)
160:11 164:24 remember (8) 64:11 5:16;6:20
recorder (1) regarding (13) 8:15;52:10;57:7; requests (5) respectfully (1)
174:15 9:25;23:24;108:11, 125:6;164:25;165:1, 24:19;157:18; 182:19
recording (4) 15,20;109:4;113:12; 2;175:3 158:16;161:1;186:22 respectively (1)
41:15;112:15; 116:11;132:6;156:5, remind (2) require (3) 124:15
114:16;174:15 17;184:6;186:4 56:6;65:16 38:22;88:25;139:20 respond (12)
records (12) regardless (1) reminder (1) required (1) 27:19;29:21;33:6;
15:6;24:19;68:4; 150:21 24:3 183:6 67:18;77:23;79:18;
133:19;134:18,25; regards (3) remove (4) requirement (4) 109:4;110:14;137:8;
157:9,19;169:21; 13:16;70:12;114:12 44:13;54:16;69:10; 10:10;116:3,7; 157:17;164:22;
175:12;187:9,14 register (6) 120:15 180:22 175:17
recount (3) 119:12;120:6; removed (1) requirements (3) responded (1)
37:2;47:5;187:12 121:9;125:10,14,23 151:24 11:3;12:11;38:24 174:8
recover (1) registered (15) renegotiate (1) requires (2) respondent (4)
31:13 118:23,24;119:3,4, 170:16 14:15;77:18 89:9;170:10;171:7;
rectified (2) 16;120:2,4,12,18,20; repercussions (2) requiring (1) 174:7
37:13,17 121:4,11,18,22;122:2 86:13,25 90:6 respondents (2)
recuse (1) registering (2) report (36) requisites (1) 167:10,15
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (21) recess - respondents
December 13, 2022
response (67) 19:23 room (12) 22;135:25;145:2; se (1)

8:1,12;22:8;28:18; reverted (1) 7:12;41:16;42:4; 147:5;162:22,22,22; 124:25
63:19,24;64:21;65:8; 160:2 131:19,24;135:15,17; 181:8;183:2,6 seals (2)
75:25;76:5;77:25; review (16) 146:19;148:17,18; sanctioned (2) 132:3;146:8
78:12;82:25;84:21; 12:24;21:11;25:19; 152:15;177:4 89:10;163:8 search (1)
85:1;88:10;91:16,21, 27:14,16,19;49:21; Roswell (2) sanctions (1) 158:12
25;93:4;107:1,16,20; 50:21;51:5;58:16; 183:6,7 5:20 seated (3)
109:19;110:18,22; 65:2,14,21;77:24; RT5 (1) Sara (6) 3:21;66:11;97:20
111:2;112:24;113:4; 115:4;171:16 60:22 6:1,1,3,7;29:17; SEB (10)
118:14,19;124:9; reviewed (1) rule (26) 80:24 67:3;69:16;76:10;
126:10,14;128:7,12; 51:18 5:9;23:11,23,24; Sarah (12) 78:16;83:14;85:10;
129:20,24;130:19; reviewing (1) 24:10,22;25:2,9,14; 76:23;77:2,8;78:10, 133:4;167:12,17;
155:2,7,21;156:3,10; 110:1 28:21,24;29:3;37:22; 15,22;80:1,7,11,13, 187:11
158:15;161:14; reviews (1) 41:13;71:24;92:25; 15;82:2 second (62)
165:16,21;166:16; 52:16 97:7;102:12,23; Sara's (1) 6:12;7:20;8:6;
172:14,19;175:19,21, revise (1) 103:2;133:5,16; 148:14 10:11,17;13:19,20;
23,25;176:4,6;182:7, 78:24 135:7,11;180:24; sarcastically (1) 17:19;20:20,21;
9,12;184:23;185:16; revised (1) 186:4 62:7 21:13,20,21;37:19;
187:25;188:10,14,18; 129:14 rule-making (1) Savannah (2) 43:13;62:23,25;
189:2 rid (3) 27:10 29:10;47:12 63:16,17;64:18,19;
responses (1) 175:11;187:2,20 rules (7) saw (8) 75:21,22;81:1;82:16;
157:6 right (89) 23:14,15;25:18,21; 51:14;95:5;163:1; 84:17;91:14;107:13,
responsibilities (4) 7:12,12;15:17;20:6; 59:2;88:17;187:11 177:6;180:10,18; 14;110:15,16;112:18,
16:25;84:14;88:16; 22:22;23:4,9;24:4,21; rulings (1) 181:13;186:14 20;118:9,10;124:1,2,
150:20 28:15;29:8;30:25; 179:19 saying (15) 3;126:3,4;128:4,21,
responsibility (15) 33:8;38:3,4;48:15; run (8) 14:23;52:8;53:5; 22,23;142:11;143:18;
5:5,6;10:5;14:19; 51:10,21;52:23;55:5; 68:14,17;135:3; 55:21;56:1,3,4;93:16; 154:25;155:25;156:1,
15:9,16,20;19:20; 58:12,13,17;59:4,17; 145:25;158:12;175:7; 99:13;103:12;106:16, 1;165:11,12;166:9,10,
62:8;77:6;90:19;92:5; 62:23;64:22;65:9; 177:8;183:21 17;137:14;159:17; 24,25;172:8,9;173:16,
151:5,24;183:10 66:2,11,23;67:6; running (2) 179:15 19;188:21,22
responsible (2) 68:22;69:10;73:2; 69:21;181:18 SB (1) seconded (20)
90:13;151:22 74:2,7;75:2,4;76:9, runoff (19) 177:1 7:21;8:7;20:22;
Respreto (1) 16;77:13;81:2;83:15; 28:5;30:8,9;44:5; scale (1) 63:1;64:23;75:23;
176:2 84:22;85:5,24;86:13; 61:9;92:23;124:19; 147:2 82:18;84:18;91:13;
rest (1) 91:4;94:7;96:12,17; 125:7,14,19;131:8; scam (1) 110:19;118:11;124:4;
183:16 102:16,22;103:14; 132:9;142:15;146:16; 145:25 126:7;128:5,24;
restrict (1) 105:16;106:17,23; 180:11,11,15;182:19; scan (3) 156:4;165:13;166:11;
14:7 108:22;111:4;117:10; 183:24 113:22;115:14; 167:1;172:10
restricted (1) 119:15,18;123:20; runoffs (2) 181:2 secondly (1)
13:10 125:3;126:7;128:24; 24:6;177:8 scanned (1) 19:22
result (3) 129:25;130:20; runs (1) 114:5 seconds (1)
72:6;87:14;93:21 136:20;139:6,12; 183:9 scanner (2) 185:4
resulted (1) 140:2,12,13;142:23, rushed (2) 114:21;115:11 secrecy (1)
58:9 23;149:9;151:15; 180:2,13 scanners (1) 54:14
results (3) 152:16;155:8;157:20; Russell (5) 180:25 secret (3)
12:18;58:13;179:25 164:20,24;165:4,17; 33:20;34:20;42:9; scenario (3) 55:19,25;187:7
retain (1) 166:21;172:4;181:25 62:4;161:1 10:13,21;68:4 Secretary (31)
172:2 rights (2) Ryan (1) scenarios (2) 9:22;10:2;24:24;
retire (2) 55:25;117:22 8:18 10:13;111:22 30:6;33:21;37:20,24;
46:13;167:2 Ripple (1) schedule (2) 43:18,23;44:21;
retired (1) 108:18 S 130:12;136:13 45:15;54:12,23;56:4;
76:21 rise (1) scheduled (1) 76:14;87:18;108:10;
return (2) 159:1 sad (2) 130:12 115:12;136:20,22;
112:12;166:22 risk (4) 149:25;150:7 school (12) 137:6;140:6;147:5;
returned (2) 81:10;112:4,6; safety (1) 57:25;58:1;76:24; 156:15;157:18;
32:8;95:7 148:2 53:16 77:4,9;80:15,19;82:6; 163:21;174:22;
returns (2) road (6) salary (1) 94:16;160:11,23,25 177:18;178:17,18;
23:24;134:24 14:3;80:2,5,9,16; 83:8 scintilla (1) 179:5
reveal (2) 81:24 same (23) 89:4 section (5)
55:12;70:11 Rodney (1) 24:15,15;27:6; screams (1) 28:16;50:20;61:6;
revealed (1) 70:8 38:13;69:8;78:2; 183:13 62:11;172:24
34:22 rolled (1) 79:15;80:3,20;81:24; screen (2) secure (7)
revenue (1) 170:2 94:22;122:5;124:21, 173:6,15 114:5;133:7;135:2,
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (22) response - secure
December 13, 2022
13,15;137:10,24 111:16;129:6,7; 76:15 31:22;32:3 small (6)

secured (1) 134:12;173:7,8,11; Sheriff (1) signed (6) 27:8;49:25;71:20;
141:2 174:3;186:3 144:21 61:11,25;127:19, 137:21;149:10;153:4
securing (1) separate (2) sheriff's (1) 24;169:16;188:13 smaller (2)
134:23 42:19;110:9 147:4 significantly (2) 11:1;16:14
security (9) separately (1) shift (1) 16:10;77:9 Smith (45)
13:13,14;14:5,25; 69:15 137:25 signs (39) 70:10;76:23;77:2,8;
136:2;144:22;145:16; September (3) shine (1) 42:20,21;43:11; 78:10,15,23;80:1,7,
175:8,11 8:3,8;187:13 100:4 76:25;78:15,21; 11,13,15,25;82:2;
Sedberry (2) series (2) shop (1) 79:23;94:10,12; 92:21;94:8;95:17;
30:11;31:18 57:8;58:6 85:22 95:10;96:19;98:2,11, 99:4,16,25;100:25;
seeing (2) serious (3) short (4) 20;100:15;101:12,15, 101:14,16,21;102:3,8,
88:2;114:23 86:21;106:13; 23:7;92:2;172:25; 16,20,21,23;102:15, 14,17,21,25;103:4,8,
seem (4) 151:14 173:13 18,19,24;103:19,24; 11,15,22;104:2,6,18,
48:16;50:2;117:7; Seriously (1) shorter (1) 104:17,20,21;105:14, 22,25;105:2,4,12,17;
160:4 23:4 177:10 15,16,16;106:4,9,11; 143:17
seemed (1) serve (2) shortfall (1) 161:22;183:19 Smith's (1)
77:5 15:6;46:14 18:7 silent (2) 95:9
seems (9) served (1) shortly (1) 180:24,25 sneak (1)
3:24,25;68:22; 179:13 133:21 similar (5) 138:19
119:7,10;125:2; service (3) shot (1) 52:15,18;87:24; snow (1)
164:1;169:13;176:23 5:3;96:3;182:25 173:15 113:20;170:2 85:22
Seiver (1) services (1) shots (1) Simmons (1) Snyder (2)
30:10 14:21 173:6 6:1 30:10;31:8
selfie (1) serving (1) show (11) simple (3) software (1)
131:21 5:3 38:15,16,19;39:2; 97:9;160:4;178:3 15:8
selfies (1) session (12) 54:6;73:20,21;90:23; simply (10) solution (1)
150:3 6:11,12;7:2;87:1; 144:15;181:9;183:6 18:20;20:12,17; 125:20
self-report (2) 88:8;166:2,5,8,12,17, showed (2) 71:19;72:19;89:22; solve (1)
134:1;168:10 22;167:2 87:9;174:18 106:17;120:6;162:9; 185:6
self-reported (5) sessions (1) showing (2) 169:11 somebody (31)
36:13;136:19; 161:16 5:17;183:2 single (2) 37:2;40:9,13;42:23;
168:5,18,23 set (14) shown (2) 67:11;170:19 44:17;45:8;49:12;
self-reporting (1) 18:25;38:11;62:11; 183:1;186:22 singular (1) 51:6;57:23;59:18;
168:19 81:7;103:24;142:16; shows (2) 114:1 72:20;74:9;79:5;
Senate (7) 143:3,6,12;148:2,10; 89:4;134:11 sit (1) 80:23;81:21;90:13,
9:5;12:11;22:21; 179:16;180:7,21 shredded (2) 29:15 17;93:14;97:15;
24:18;61:9;115:25; setting (4) 146:11,13 site (6) 98:12,18;104:20;
182:19 142:17;143:1; shy (2) 78:11,19;79:24; 105:6,16;116:14;
Senator (1) 145:16;146:19 4:21;18:16 97:8,11;114:6 120:24;137:9;148:23;
142:16 settlement (1) sic (1) sites (2) 149:6;152:15;183:5
send (35) 171:13 112:21 78:13,16 somehow (2)
6:4;37:25;45:9; settlements (1) side (17) sitting (4) 93:13;139:17
48:23,24;49:18; 171:10 87:16,19;94:14,15; 45:8;55:15;106:6; someone (13)
50:10,19;53:19; setup (1) 99:12,13,20,21;101:4, 142:25 50:14;70:3;89:25;
56:19;63:9,11;64:10; 160:15 4,8,9,17,18;107:6; situation (7) 98:19;106:3,8;
65:17;71:15,19;72:3; seven (10) 180:16;187:20 38:10,13;41:20; 134:14;135:10,25;
81:8;84:15,18;90:14; 6:11;33:21;38:7; sides (1) 50:2,7;98:14;143:25 138:13,14;139:23;
95:22;100:7;129:16, 40:18,22,25;156:24; 106:10 situations (6) 178:7
18;144:9;152:1,13; 174:4,7;185:21 sidewalk (1) 42:12;87:7;106:8; someone's (1)
153:25;154:5,7,18; several (5) 80:17 112:12;177:10; 45:4
162:13;169:9;170:15 4:19;65:3;108:11; sign (29) 178:17 something's (1)
sending (4) 161:3;178:25 34:24;42:22;77:5,6, six (6) 94:22
50:12;52:7;82:10; shadow (1) 7;78:22,23;92:24,25; 42:19,25;98:1,1; sometime (2)
153:10 174:18 94:14;95:19;97:15; 113:13;170:6 7:3;169:4
senior (1) shall (7) 98:13;99:13,17,20,23; skip (1) sometimes (3)
179:11 9:7;21:10;41:15; 100:14,20,25;101:8, 57:12 4:23;5:19;93:9
sense (2) 54:2,3,20;166:23 17;106:9;107:5,9; skipped (1) somewhat (1)
58:10;80:11 share (3) 122:24;126:23; 57:5 49:23
sent (22) 88:3,19;148:18 127:22,25 sloppy (1) Somewhere (1)
9:22;25:23;37:4,5; shared (2) signage (3) 46:19 96:8
43:2,8,9,10;47:25; 181:11;184:3 77:9;78:10,15 slow (1) soon (1)
48:2;84:5;85:3;95:14; Sharpton (1) signature (2) 181:25 175:16
Min-U-Script® Steven Ray Green Court Reporting LLC (23) secured - soon
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sorry (15) split (1) 178:18,18;179:3,5,20, sticker (2) 114:10;115:10,13

31:3;59:23;60:1,9; 144:4 21;181:13;182:5; 85:20,21 styles (1)
75:6;83:17;109:6; spoiled (1) 185:6,20 still (24) 57:20
115:6;118:6;126:6; 48:11 stated (10) 24:5,7;36:9;58:3; subject (2)
130:4;154:2,2; spoke (11) 14:4;76:15;78:13; 61:4;88:8;91:9;94:25; 135:10;167:4
159:25;176:10 37:20;43:18;69:23; 92:22;97:6;160:1,12; 98:15;105:15;118:25; submit (6)
sort (15) 78:6;116:20,25; 161:15;174:2;183:7 121:22;135:11;154:8; 31:21;133:15;
9:24;14:5;18:25; 132:6;154:2;174:24; statement (5) 158:4;159:7;163:15, 135:6,13;136:17;
51:20;53:24;72:9,21; 175:8;184:21 60:6;79:22;88:23; 22;164:10,14;168:8; 178:20
73:22;106:5;112:9, spoken (2) 89:19,20 178:2;187:2,4 submitted (4)
12;141:11;142:3; 36:2;68:18 statements (2) stingy (1) 31:17;44:24;
159:15;171:24 sponsor (2) 34:3;88:22 18:2 100:12;167:25
sorting (1) 177:5,5 states (13) Stone (1) subsection (1)
162:20 spreads (1) 44:4;54:2;61:18; 160:11 174:11
SOS (2) 182:4 87:23,23;119:3; stood (1) subsequent (1)
78:19;173:25 St (1) 121:4,11;122:18; 177:8 50:17
sounds (1) 149:13 124:14;125:2;186:9; stop (3) subsequently (1)
79:17 staff (17) 187:5 73:11;96:9;184:15 119:6
sources (2) 6:8;24:24;36:7; State's (12) stops (2) substantiate (1)
9:15;12:5 46:21;68:3,19;157:3; 9:22;24:24;45:15; 96:9;151:4 157:10
South (3) 158:6,16,23;177:7,11, 76:14;87:18;115:12; storage (2) substantiated (1)
182:25;183:15; 22,24;178:15,24; 136:21,23;137:6; 23:24,25 110:4
185:1 184:19 140:6;163:21;174:22 store (1) substantive (1)
space (6) staffing (1) statewide (4) 132:21 88:16
78:21;83:19; 46:17 9:11,20;134:15; stored (1) substituted (3)
114:15,19;117:16; stage (1) 187:12 24:11 59:10,12,15
131:3 59:15 station (1) storing (2) successfully (1)
speak (19) stamped (1) 181:5 24:15;134:22 115:14
25:19;31:4;61:2; 175:13 stationery (1) straight (1) suddenly (1)
62:12;72:17;74:14, stand (5) 83:5 73:12 11:13
17;75:3,3;92:15,16; 3:19;4:11,12;49:10; stations (7) strained (2) suffer (1)
94:2,7;97:2,4;142:10; 95:4 39:11,18;180:25; 179:2;180:18 59:3
147:25;173:4;182:17 standard (1) 181:6,10,12;185:5 stream (1) sufficient (10)
SPEAKER (11) 25:5 statue (1) 34:2 19:24;28:25;38:5;
3:8,12,14;74:12; standardize (1) 180:4 street (20) 74:16,24;84:9,12;
75:2,8,10,11,16; 24:14 status (1) 86:4;94:15,15; 93:14;162:18,19
105:25;118:2 standing (1) 119:21 99:20,21;100:2,2; suggest (6)
speaking (3) 95:25 statute (27) 101:4,5,8,9,17,18; 70:21;71:4;132:16;
35:21;171:1,2 stands (2) 36:16,16;38:1;39:7; 104:2,5,8,9,12,14,16 133:3;157:15;162:19
special (5) 27:17;81:10 43:22;44:11;45:18; street's (1) suggested (2)
131:8;132:9;177:2; stapled (4) 54:20,25;55:1;77:18; 104:3 21:9;110:2
186:13,15 48:4,7;61:22,24 103:3;123:9;133:16; stress (1) suggestion (2)
specific (17) start (6) 134:20,20,23,24; 27:21 32:16;64:10
9:24;10:25;11:10; 14:1;36:2;39:8; 135:2,12;146:10,12; Strong (6) suggestions (2)
14:20;67:4;86:4,7; 105:5;129:9;136:6 148:7;158:25;159:4; 126:21,24;127:5,7, 13:15;17:18
90:17;91:1;92:8;93:6, started (5) 180:6;186:5 15,18 suggests (1)
15;99:10,11;158:25; 95:3;102:4;149:19; stay (1) stronger (1) 110:8
159:2;171:4 178:22;181:16 146:9 170:20 suing (1)
specifically (12) State (60) stayed (1) strongly (2) 143:16
39:16;66:17,21,22; 3:2;7:16;9:6,7,17, 101:1 84:1,10 suit (1)
67:7;93:6;98:25; 18,21;10:2,24;12:21; steep (1) structure (1) 49:12
101:7;107:22;109:1; 13:8;14:12,15;17:16; 80:19 19:14 summaries (1)
111:19;127:6 30:6;32:11;33:21; Stegall (3) struggle (2) 66:19
specify (1) 37:20,24;43:18,23; 126:21,23;127:13 97:23;98:23 summarize (11)
109:10 44:21;46:9;49:19; stem (1) struggling (2) 30:15,19;67:17,21;
speedily (1) 52:20;54:12,23;56:5; 179:1 98:15;150:8 69:17;76:12;83:15;
96:7 76:13;77:18;84:6; step (7) study (2) 85:11;111:5;120:17;
spending (1) 89:22;108:10;119:8, 13:1;19:1;53:22; 9:7;21:24 156:13
186:13 20;121:9,10,19;123:7, 57:5,9,12;140:3 stuff (6) summary (3)
spent (3) 21,22;134:17;142:18; steps (8) 101:25;146:8; 92:19;130:24;
10:20;76:21;136:25 144:11;147:5;156:16; 50:18;53:2;64:12; 147:24;148:22; 148:11
spirited (1) 157:18;173:21; 67:14;135:12,14; 186:11,11 summer (1)
102:24 176:19;177:19; 137:11;171:18 style (3) 169:4
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Sumpter (3) 152:10,22;158:6,9; 179:19 that’s (2) 144:24

69:21,22,25 164:18;171:12; tape (3) 149:16;170:24 times (5)
Sumter (17) 185:22 100:23;101:9; that'll (1) 17:17;78:25;98:7;
130:2,21,25;131:4, surrendered (1) 105:18 150:3 183:12,14
4,11;132:9,10,14,16; 61:14 target (1) theft (1) today (19)
133:1,3,11;142:14; suspect (4) 149:2 106:4 6:8;9:24;27:17;
153:14;188:3,6 12:19;20:3;123:16, tarnished (1) theirs (1) 52:5,22;61:12;64:7;
Sunday (1) 17 144:23 155:10 77:3;92:5;95:21;96:1;
34:24 sustain (2) task (1) theoretical (1) 130:13;136:4;142:10;
superb (1) 31:15;33:13 26:24 19:14 159:8;163:24;176:21;
4:5 Sustained (2) tax (1) thereafter (1) 186:13;187:23
superintendent (10) 33:23;34:13 96:14 133:21 together (5)
94:13;95:18;97:2; Sutton (1) taxes (2) thereby (1) 4:16;5:24;26:15;
99:4,6,18;102:5,10; 175:24 96:15;186:10 10:21 145:16;165:9
103:8,15 swear (1) Taylor (3) therefore (6) told (19)
superior (1) 89:1 111:8;124:13,14 5:5;37:14;54:17; 4:3;5:2,2;44:22,25;
4:24 sweet (1) team (1) 68:12;141:25;161:5 45:14;54:24;56:5;
Supervisor (17) 145:24 95:8 theses (1) 70:3;77:1;80:5;82:1;
33:20;34:19;50:15; sworn (1) technical (4) 136:7 90:20;138:20;140:7;
62:4;111:7;114:9; 44:1 157:4;179:19; thinking (1) 143:12,22,24;175:10
115:15;131:5;132:10, system (24) 181:22,24 7:8 Tommy (1)
15;133:2;142:14; 12:1;16:8;17:4; technically (1) Third (2) 92:21
151:4;157:8,14; 19:7,10;27:5;68:5; 3:23 114:7;137:9 tomorrow (2)
175:6,7 88:21;92:7;150:25; technology (1) third-party (2) 148:3;159:11
supervisors (4) 153:2,2;179:1;180:9, 7:9 117:23;136:2 took (18)
143:11;177:20,21; 18,21,23;181:19,23; tedious (1) thirds (1) 37:7;41:22;42:22,
178:6 182:1;186:12,19; 58:15 184:25 23;64:13;79:4;83:21;
supplement (2) 187:3,21 telephone (2) Thirteen (1) 84:1;85:20;92:22;
11:11;19:16 systemic (3) 83:23;160:25 157:4 94:14;95:13;116:6;
supplemental (1) 50:2,8;64:14 Telfair (1) thorough (1) 126:24;131:6;133:20;
11:21 167:18 109:2 173:15,16
supplementing (1) T telling (3) though (10) top (3)
11:7 82:11;105:12; 15:23;17:21;24:25; 66:5;185:8;187:7
support (4) tab (19) 139:14 48:20;81:19;88:4; total (5)
4:17;53:24;70:11; 29:19;67:5;69:15; temperature (1) 103:18;104:13;122:2; 30:13;31:1;37:10,
72:16 76:10;83:14,17; 140:25 124:16 10;114:21
supported (3) 85:10;92:14;97:19; template (1) thought (15) totality (1)
33:5;162:9,17 107:24,25;108:1; 78:14 4:4;70:18;77:10; 170:23
supporting (3) 111:4;113:7,8; ten (9) 81:3;116:19;130:4,6; totally (1)
132:5,12,22 118:21;124:11; 7:3;37:10;46:21; 131:10,13,15;136:11, 87:8
supposed (18) 126:19;156:13 66:4,4,7;105:22; 14;143:8;147:6;178:9 totals (2)
45:23,23;55:2; tabulation (1) 180:5;183:4 thoughts (1) 173:13,14
74:19;80:8,10;82:1,7, 59:10 tendered (1) 23:14 touched (2)
8;121:10;134:17; tabulators (2) 20:18 threatened (1) 61:21;131:22
138:3;148:17,25; 58:9;184:8 tent (1) 174:12 town (1)
178:4,24;186:6,8 talk (14) 101:23 three (14) 149:10
suppression (2) 3:15;28:20;29:2; tentative (2) 51:2;73:23;108:2,3, trace (1)
183:13;184:17 67:6;73:5;81:12; 7:6,11 4,5;113:14;115:2; 186:17
sure (58) 135:8;151:19;170:12; term (5) 155:20;156:25; track (1)
4:16,21;5:12;7:11; 173:19;176:22;177:3, 57:15;118:4; 167:14;170:4;178:1; 95:10
11:14;17:6;24:14; 21;180:9 139:10;150:13;173:6 181:4 traditional (1)
25:1;35:1;38:2,22; talked (10) terms (8) throughout (2) 186:11
41:6,7;42:11;43:7,12; 12:16;31:12;32:5; 13:23,24;48:5; 9:17;95:2 traditionally (3)
47:7,15,21;49:14; 62:3;103:4;135:8; 87:15,22;98:3; throwing (1) 121:18;164:3,7
51:16;52:3,19;53:2; 138:2;145:4;168:7; 169:22;170:12 142:22 train (1)
55:2;57:21;58:16,16, 178:17 Test (1) thrown (1) 40:13
25;59:2;60:15,19; talker (1) 35:8 100:16 trained (7)
62:9;68:25;71:11; 145:24 testify (2) Thursday (1) 36:12;40:11;46:11;
79:24;87:23;88:3; talking (13) 79:12;147:14 183:5 135:19;136:1,8;
94:6;95:25;98:5,15; 18:21;26:12;36:22; testimony (1) Thus (1) 177:25
99:7;100:20;106:6, 53:18;75:14;134:22; 186:12 68:7 training (18)
20;117:16;133:25; 136:4;143:14;146:4; Thanks (2) till (3) 36:7,11;39:9,14,20;
137:6;143:11;147:21; 165:3;171:4;177:14; 72:12;175:17 111:25;143:5; 46:23;51:13;67:10;
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68:3,5,6,20;114:17; TV (1) undertook (1) 3:11;4:11,12,22;

136:3;138:25;161:16; 81:16 9:12 7:4,16;8:20;9:18; V
175:1;178:16 tweaks (2) unethical (1) 11:7;12:14;15:19;
trainings (1) 17:14;181:22 103:13 16:1;17:19;18:25; vacant (1)
68:18 two (52) unfair (1) 22:12;23:15;25:15, 104:6
transmitted (2) 8:13,25;10:12;16:9; 89:6 18;28:17;29:12; valid (3)
22:19;134:6 18:13,13;22:5;34:3; unfortunately (1) 30:18;35:3,3,12,13; 58:3;59:8;125:12
transparency (1) 37:8;42:15;46:13; 87:5 38:11;42:21;43:8; validity (1)
12:25 50:7;51:19;57:25; unidentified (2) 44:19;47:11;51:6; 87:21
transparent (3) 61:17;76:8;81:23; 133:6;139:11 60:13;70:19,22;71:6; VANDERELS (3)
144:19;179:17; 83:2,2;88:15,20; uniformly (1) 73:20,21;80:18;81:7; 157:21,22;163:10
180:1 106:9,11;113:22; 159:14 92:13;93:1;94:10,12, various (6)
travel (2) 119:3;121:4,4,11; unintelligible (14) 21;95:19;96:18; 9:23;12:4,5;17:1,7;
65:22;145:8 122:3,18;124:21; 142:19;143:17; 98:11;99:17;101:23; 34:12
treatment (1) 125:1;133:6;140:15; 144:10,11;145:6; 102:10;103:20,20,23; Vasu (1)
113:20 141:1;144:12;146:12, 146:15;147:8;151:13, 106:9;111:25;125:8; 179:10
trend (1) 13;148:9;156:21; 14;174:21;184:25; 132:23;133:16; verbal (1)
93:17 157:1;166:19;167:12, 185:5;186:4;187:13 135:22;136:12,25; 91:25
trespass (2) 14;170:4;175:3; unintended (3) 137:3;138:6;140:19; verifiable (1)
98:19;106:5 177:9;180:19;181:20; 59:1,3;136:18 142:16,17,20,23; 184:12
trial (1) 184:7;185:7,23 United (4) 143:1,3,6,12;144:4; verified (4)
49:10 type (4) 61:18;79:10;80:2; 145:16;146:19;148:2; 32:14;68:19;
tried (5) 11:9,22;12:1;46:5 187:5 151:22;161:23; 174:19;186:2
4:25;5:7;78:25; types (1) Universal (2) 164:21;173:20; verify (5)
79:20,20 88:20 170:11,11 177:15;178:20; 43:25;127:21;
Tristen (1) universities (1) 180:21;183:6;185:12; 175:10;184:4,6
157:22 U 109:17 188:13,17 version (1)
troublemaker (1) unjustly (1) upcoming (2) 26:19
136:24 ultimately (4) 90:6 17:12;27:20 versus (2)
true (6) 15:11;19:19;20:1; UNKNOWN (12) upon (10) 11:21;112:11
79:17;86:11;160:5; 56:17 3:8,12,14;70:6; 6:2;11:13;18:4; vet (1)
162:20;174:19,20 unable (6) 74:12;75:2,8,10,11, 19:12;26:18;87:8; 27:1
truly (1) 76:18;78:8;132:11, 16;105:25;118:2 100:8;141:17;148:12; via (2)
141:2 24;157:10;184:13 unlawfully (1) 170:23 111:12;161:19
trust (2) unacceptable (2) 184:7 upset (4) vicinity (1)
27:5;153:2 95:23;184:5 unless (5) 86:19;136:16; 71:12
truthful (4) unanimously (1) 18:2;96:20;151:11; 151:8,8 victim (1)
90:20,21,24;123:3 22:9 165:23;187:21 urge (1) 96:15
try (10) unauthorized (1) unlock (1) 97:10 video (2)
5:12;25:18;30:1,11; 139:25 138:7 use (17) 34:2;38:24
35:9;120:7;136:8; uncertainty (1) unopened (1) 3:8;25:17;38:14; videos (1)
144:6,17;158:23 58:11 61:17 41:19;42:4,7;45:19, 15:6
trying (27) unclear (2) unresponsive (1) 20;57:15;71:3;76:18; view (4)
5:25;11:11;14:7; 109:11;120:23 160:25 113:24;118:4;120:7; 13:17;14:10;
39:1;45:11;77:11; undeniably (1) unsolicited (1) 135:22;145:15;187:9 114:22;160:11
78:4;79:22;92:7; 183:17 67:25 used (17) viewed (1)
96:16;97:24;98:4,9, under (23) unsustainable (3) 13:15;14:24;16:3; 13:17
21;106:12;135:25; 24:18;27:21;49:19; 16:16;176:21;177:1 17:24;34:1;46:15; viewing (6)
136:19;137:5,14; 89:17;90:8;97:24; unsustained (1) 59:8;80:1;86:5;96:2; 108:11,15,17;
138:18,21,23,23; 116:1,5,5;123:2,8,8,8; 177:13 114:9;142:17;171:15; 109:5,9;116:18
150:17;151:15;164:2; 124:13,17,20;127:14; untrained (1) 183:23,23;184:8; views (1)
174:20 129:1,11;135:11,12; 156:21 186:15 109:4
Tuesday (3) 148:17;187:11 untrue (4) uses (2) villains (1)
111:24,25;182:24 undermine (1) 89:23;97:9,13,18 76:21;187:8 139:11
tune (1) 86:24 unused (1) using (3) violate (2)
10:8 underneath (3) 132:20 3:10;76:22;138:15 103:2,3
turn (9) 50:20;98:16,22 unusual (1) usually (3) violated (8)
3:11;8:21;23:11,22; understaffed (2) 171:24 10:24,25;11:10 78:9;92:25;97:7,25;
35:4,5;145:9;179:7; 46:16;137:23 unveiling (1) utilize (1) 117:22;132:17;133:4;
185:18 understands (1) 46:25 120:7 174:9
turned (4) 6:3 unwanted (1) utilized (1) violation (30)
47:18;77:12; understood (1) 59:11 115:4 56:14;70:17;76:20;
127:16;147:18 117:11 up (87) 77:17,21;78:3,4;94:1;
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99:7;102:9;103:2,6; 176:24;177:12,15; 145:3;173:13 183:4 70:3

104:24;112:5;119:7, 178:19,25;180:3; Walker's (1) week (9) willing (5)
11;121:24;154:13,16; 181:1;183:13;184:3, 173:14 22:17,25;23:5; 87:9;164:16,23;
157:11,15;159:1,4,15, 5,16 walking (1) 138:16;158:8;161:23; 165:3;169:8
16,19,22;163:23; voters (51) 147:20 173:10;179:12; willingness (1)
167:19;171:19 24:4;34:5,21;40:5, Wall (1) 182:21 87:10
violations (19) 21;48:18;52:5;57:24; 185:15 weeks (2) win (1)
32:22;33:3;49:22; 58:1,4,11;69:24;70:2; walls (1) 73:23;138:11 106:13
67:13;70:12;72:16; 71:1,12;77:5;78:18, 145:21 welcome (3) wind (1)
88:17;92:4;132:14; 21,22;82:4;86:16; Walsh (4) 3:5;9:2;25:20 94:21
155:11;157:13;168:5; 112:10;113:15,18,21, 124:13,15,18,20 well-documented (1) window (1)
169:13;170:1,2,4,6, 22;114:8,11,22; Wanda (3) 146:9 70:1
12,18 118:23;120:3;126:25; 94:23,25;100:4 well-dressed (1) winning (1)
violence (1) 127:5,9,10,20;151:17, wants (3) 145:24 85:9
174:12 19;157:2;160:18,21; 94:2;155:9;188:17 weren't (12) wiped (1)
vital (3) 161:3,19;162:11; warning (1) 40:8;41:3,7;62:10; 121:10
6:8;182:17;187:9 171:23;179:13;182:1; 112:10 79:18;116:14,15; wire (1)
voiced (1) 183:18,25;184:1,15 Warnock (1) 137:15,16;159:18; 61:25
11:4 voter's (4) 173:13 162:25;177:24 wise (1)
voidable (1) 32:12;84:13;114:3, Warnock's (1) West (1) 17:13
186:2 22 173:14 114:7 wish (1)
volunteer (1) votes (22) warrant (1) wet (1) 75:3
165:7 37:9,11,15,16;45:7; 171:9 49:12 withhold (1)
vote (70) 47:3,8;64:16,17; watch (4) what’s (1) 141:16
21:7;22:3;25:13,16; 85:17;108:13;112:15; 116:15,15;138:19; 18:14 within (21)
29:5;32:12,13,14; 114:16;119:20; 149:21 what's (16) 5:13;6:4,5;11:24;
34:22;40:5,18,19; 173:14,15,17;182:21; watcher (19) 13:21;20:6;49:21; 15:3;68:19;82:8;
44:16,20;45:6,12; 183:19;184:6,9;187:6 48:18,25;60:11; 60:16,18;103:1,1; 85:15;98:7;102:6,13;
47:21,21;50:5;54:19; voting (64) 61:8;116:11,23; 116:13;125:20;127:2; 106:15,17;114:19;
57:19,22;59:11,12,22; 11:3;19:6,10;31:25; 117:1,4,5,8,9,10,12, 129:5;130:9;168:24; 117:16;135:7;173:16;
61:14;64:17;70:5,5,9, 40:25;45:9;54:17; 15;132:22;134:25; 179:8;188:5,7 181:20;183:15,15;
10;71:1;76:16,23; 61:10;73:24;76:18, 138:15;144:8,10 wheat (1) 184:7
77:10,12;78:22; 25;77:3,8;78:11,13, watchers (18) 162:21 without (13)
80:23;81:22;82:9; 21;79:4;81:23;85:14, 113:20;114:13,14, wheelchair (4) 4:9;5:7;24:8;25:5;
112:4,4,7,16,16; 14,20,21;108:16; 17;116:22;117:25; 76:18,21;79:5;82:5 26:22;61:15;73:22;
114:3;115:4;118:23, 111:9,10,17,17,24; 130:21;131:1,2; Whereas (1) 89:3;107:6;157:2;
24;119:3,7,15,16,17, 112:6,11,14,15; 132:5,8,12,24;134:9, 141:25 160:21,24;186:20
18;120:2,18,20; 124:12;127:11;131:4; 15,18,19;144:11 where's (3) witness (3)
121:3;123:7;124:18, 132:18;137:11; watching (4) 105:7,8;121:6 72:24;94:23;164:25
24;141:13;165:23; 146:19;153:2,2; 58:24;175:15; Whereupon (3) witnessed (4)
178:10,14,14;182:10, 156:19,23;157:3; 177:23;182:21 66:8;166:20;189:6 34:2;60:20;115:3,
22;184:1 159:20,23;160:2,14; watchman (1) whirlwind (1) 22
voted (32) 177:6;178:22;181:8, 175:15 147:24 witnesses (3)
12:20;31:18;44:15; 13,16;183:4,19,20,23; way (20) whole (9) 72:24;97:12;147:13
47:1;70:4;77:2;111:8, 184:9,10,10,11,19; 5:16,17;15:18; 19:14;92:7;105:10; woman (1)
11,12;114:8;117:18; 186:7,12,19 19:11;44:12;48:6; 145:15;151:9,18,21; 136:21
118:25;119:5,6,23,23, vulnerability (2) 63:4;81:6;89:11; 168:3;187:20 women (1)
24;120:5,19;121:19; 13:13;111:23 94:24;95:4;101:24; wholly (3) 134:9
123:21;124:14,17,22; 102:8;121:15;150:14, 14:17,18;90:1 word (6)
125:1,6;127:17; W 25;161:7;171:22; who's (11) 29:20;45:19;
161:3;169:9;178:13; 177:12;182:24 26:11;71:12; 104:22;136:10;148:8;
181:7;182:18 Wade (1) ways (1) 141:24;143:10,15; 149:25
voter (50) 157:22 185:13 164:14;170:9;174:25; worded (1)
31:8;40:17,20; wait (7) we’re (1) 175:10,14;188:13 44:13
47:22;57:17,21; 94:1;130:5;182:24; 167:19 whose (1) wording (1)
61:13,25;67:12;68:4, 183:1,2,11,14 wealthier (1) 148:18 111:18
7,10,12,15;70:3,8; waited (1) 10:24 widely (1) words (1)
84:1,5,10,16;86:21; 180:19 wearing (1) 162:20 138:16
87:8,20;110:2;111:7, waiting (2) 49:11 Williams (10) work (26)
16,20;112:2;113:23, 36:9;155:15 website (4) 78:7;96:24,25; 4:1;15:9,21;18:2;
25;115:9;117:4; walk (1) 31:24;161:21; 97:17;111:8,9,13; 20:8;23:18;24:7,8;
118:22;119:5,19,22; 144:6 173:7,7 183:11;184:16,21 41:25;46:13;69:22;
122:2,25;123:21; Walker (2) Wednesday (1) Willie (1) 90:16;116:24;138:11;
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142:17;143:4;144:2; y’all's (2) 34:8;46:12 16 (1) 132:9;133:20;146:15;

145:11;152:21; 149:4,4 101 (1) 63:6 156:17
153:21;158:5;162:3; yard (1) 113:6 167 (1) 2020-003 (1)
163:20;165:9;175:7; 143:8 107 (1) 126:19 130:25
182:18 year (17) 53:18 17 (2) 2020-008 (1)
worked (5) 3:23,24;6:24,25; 10th (1) 34:10;39:5 167:17
18:14;81:4;144:22; 17:12,17;23:13; 32:4 18 (3) 2020-029 (1)
145:18;152:20 27:25;36:5,6;51:15; 11 (2) 34:13;41:9;63:6 156:12
worker (10) 71:6;73:8;96:8; 33:23;137:24 180 (1) 2020-03 (1)
45:25;55:16,21; 138:11;146:21; 11/4/2021 (1) 183:3 130:21
84:11;136:1;137:15; 151:16 76:13 183 (6) 2020-030 (1)
138:15;145:10,10; years (17) 11/5/2020 (1) 75:10,11,12,15; 169:2
179:12 17:15;45:2;51:2,19; 108:9 92:11;133:5 2020-062 (3)
workers (26) 65:3;118:24;138:4; 11:02 (1) 183-1-12-13 (2) 29:18;30:5;65:1
34:6;42:20;43:1; 144:21;146:12,13; 173:16 23:11,23 2020-077 (1)
46:11,12;61:17;62:5; 149:12,19;151:13; 11:27 (1) 19 (2) 174:2
70:9;77:4;98:6;109:4; 161:4;181:20;187:4, 173:16 34:18;76:10 2020-123 (1)
111:18;113:12; 18 118 (1) 1st (2) 156:6
115:15,21;116:24; year's (1) 118:21 31:23;34:15 2020-225 (2)
117:4;138:6,8,10; 4:1 11th (2) 108:6;110:21
145:20;147:15; Yep (1) 30:8;31:25 2 2020-288 (1)
151:19;156:20; 35:13 12 (2) 112:22
177:16;182:1 yesterday (3) 63:6;130:1 2 (5) 2021 (6)
worker's (1) 28:9;173:11;184:22 12.046 (1) 63:5;108:16; 9:6;30:9;68:1;
48:12 yield (1) 133:5 156:19;157:10; 76:16;92:23;160:1
working (9) 96:20 12/9/2021 (1) 174:11 2021-101 (1)
4:5;5:24,24;39:17; York (16) 92:20 2,000 (1) 118:12
40:2;68:19;114:8; 118:25;119:4,6,13, 120 (1) 36:5 2021-114 (1)
177:11;178:2 14,17,19,24;120:2,4, 183:12 2,654 (1) 156:6
works (3) 4,5,20,23,24;123:4 1200 (1) 173:14 2021-118 (1)
35:10;99:6;145:15 You’re (1) 179:13 2/4/21 (1) 124:5
world (1) 175:15 13 (1) 161:12 2021-120 (1)
149:23 You’ve (1) 63:6 2:29 (1) 126:8
worry (1) 186:12 130 (1) 189:6 2021-151 (1)
62:7 young (3) 36:25 20 (11) 67:3
worth (1) 145:17,23;160:10 136 (1) 30:13,19;31:1,5; 2021-153 (3)
4:1 57:13 33:12;70:19;126:19; 69:16;75:18,24
write (9) Z 137 (1) 151:13;180:6;181:7; 2021-166 (1)
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THE OFFICE OF SECRETARY OF STATE

IN THE MATTER OF:

MARCH 16, 2022

MARY K MCMAHAN, CCR, 2757

Matt Mashburn, Acting Chair

Sara Tindall Ghazal

Ryan Germany, General Counsel

Maggie Haisty, Legislative Affairs Director

Charlene McGowan, Assistant Attorney General

James Callaway, Deputy Chief Investigator

Vincent Zagorin, Investigator

Paul Braun, Investigator

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Attorney General Report.......................108

Consolidated Consent Orders...................111

2 MR. MASHBURN: Welcome. This is the meeting

3 of the Georgia State Election Board.

4 My name is Matt Mashburn. As the senior

5 member of the board, I will call the meeting to

6 order. And the first thing I'll do is call the

7 roll in order to establish a quorum. I am here.

9 The next senior member is appointed by the

10 Democratic party. Sarah Tindall Ghazal.

11 MRS. GHAZAL: Here.

12 MR. MASHBURN: The next junior member is Ed

13 Lindsey, appointed by the House.

14 MR. LINDSEY: Here.

15 MR. MASHBURN: The next and our newest

16 member, Dr. Jan Johnston is appointed by the

18 DR. JOHNSTON: Present.

19 MR. MASHBURN: So the entire board is here

20 and a quorum is present.

21 So the next thing on our agenda is to do our

22 invocation. And I'll invite our newest member to

23 do the invocation if she'd like.

24 DR. JOHNSTON: Yes. Thank you.

2 those in attendance to stand and ask Dr. Johnston

3 if she'd like to lead the Pledge of Allegiance.

5 MR. MASHBURN: Thank you. Please be seated.

6 The next thing on our agenda is the election

7 of the acting chair.

8 For those that don't follow this every

9 minute of every day, the vice chair was appointed

10 to the commissioner of the department of

11 administrative services and therefore ended her

12 tenure of the board. And that left the board

13 without a vice chair and an acting chair.

14 So the first thing on our agenda now is to

15 elect an acting chair. I will put my name in

16 nomination as acting chair simply because when I

17 was in seventh grade we asked our teacher if we

18 could vote for ourselves and the teacher said:

19 If you don't think you should do it, you

21 So are there any other nominations for

22 acting chair? Hearing none, I will call for a

23 vote. All those in favor of Matt Mashburn being

24 the active chair say aye.