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Plaintiffs,
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Plaintiffs,
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10-03767-RBR Stettin v. Gibraltar Private
Bank & Trust Co.
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11-03802-RBR Stettin v. Fidelity Gift Fund
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11-02368-RBR Stettin v. TD Bank, N.A.
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DIRECT
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Mr. Cimo
CERTIFICATE OF OATH
CETIFICATE OF REPORTER
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Credit Agreement - Banyon
Investing
Credit Agreement - Banyon
Investments
Credit Agreement - Banyon
Resources
Platinum v. Kroll
Platinum v. Kroll Order
"Good Fellows" Email
Radinsky Email
ROTHSTEINS 000940-957
SW13-00735 - 805
PCL56665 - 56666
PCL56811 - 56815
Dec. 25, 2008, Email
Hertzberg Declaration
Email Chain
PCL59074
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April 8, 2009, Email
April 14, 2009, Email
April 17, 2009, Email
E027088
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PCL59402 - 403
Email Chain
May 6, 2009, Email
PLATCENT 0021184
ROTHSTEINS 000931 - 932
PCL 0484 - 0489
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Whereupon,
SCOTT W. ROTHSTEIN,
THE WITNESS:
I do.
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. CIMO:
Good.
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David Cimo.
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doing.
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estate --
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transfers?
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Do you remember
No, I don't.
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identification.)
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today?
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inconsequential to me.
Thank you.
Centurion.
Yes, sir.
as Banyon Funding.
Is that acceptable?
Yes, sir.
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Is that acceptable
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Yes, sir.
you?
Yes, it is.
Okay.
Is that acceptable to
Investments.
That's fine.
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Banyon Resources.
Is that acceptable?
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LP, as Level 3.
Is that acceptable?
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Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
Is that
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purporting to offer?
the hedge funds being involved, that all the money being
I later came
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scheme, yes.
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hedge-fund money?
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involved in settlements?
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him.
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later in time.
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to it.
conference room.
questions.
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meeting?
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addition to Mark?
Yeah.
M-A-Y-E-R, Mayer?
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I ultimately learned
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to let us start.
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That's fine.
I apologize.
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He did say
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I'll rephrase.
Based upon your testimony that you didn't make
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York.
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with just this initial meeting with Mr. Kalter, did you
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the meeting?
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in.
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Mr. Levin were the ones that had made this introduction
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Absolutely.
That's correct.
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assignment documents.
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diligence.
questions.
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What was the status of your Ponzi scheme that
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I don't know.
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Objection to form.
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Let's go to Exhibit D.
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that, no.
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No, sir.
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assignment were:
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No, sir.
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No, sir.
I'm sorry?
rephrase.
Did those lawsuits involve tens of millions of
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friends.
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"Independent verifier"?
Yes.
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Independent.
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question, Counsel?
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enterprises?
Yes.
No, sir.
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He was -- it wasn't
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report.
Yes.
report?
Yes.
your practice?
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I actually didn't even know that until I just
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Excuse me.
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I was on the
page 6 of 14.
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Yes, sir.
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Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
It says,
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in a Ponzi scheme."
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Objection.
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Ponzi scheme.
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I'm sorry.
Platinum.
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Ponzi scheme?
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A
Objection to form.
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Go ahead.
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the Ponzi scheme but that's not to say that I didn't get
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Ponzi scheme.
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Objection to form.
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Please go ahead.
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Banyon entities?
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of control.
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Mr. Levin?
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BY MR. CIMO:
was no risk?
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BY MR. CIMO:
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I have no idea.
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That's correct.
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Objection.
We tried
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Yes.
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all.
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He was less
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decent enterprise.
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ALL PRESENT:
BY MR. CIMO:
Objection to form.
question.
Sure.
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settlements?
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Yes.
the ones that were directly invested with RRA, where did
ALL PRESENT:
Objection to form.
BY MR. CIMO:
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I put the
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ALL PRESENT:
Objection to form.
THE WITNESS:
More sophisticated?
BY MR. CIMO:
Yes.
businessmen.
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Objection.
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regulation.
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Yes, I did.
I did.
these hedge funds had their own investors that they have
to other investors?
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Objection to form.
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investments?
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of this nature?
and defendants.
ALL PRESENT:
BY MR. CIMO:
Objection to form.
Oh, really?
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with Whitehaven.
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And what did you learn about Whitehaven?
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litigation.
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Simony.
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that.
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Why?
your business.
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extremely sophisticated.
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To my knowledge, we didn't;
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I'm just
using an example.
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MR. SCHERER:
MR. CIMO:
MR. SCHERER:
MR. CIMO:
BY MR. CIMO:
been retained that you had never heard of, would that
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Objection.
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my reaction.
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sophistication?
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investment companies.
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Okay.
scheme?
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Objection to form.
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Same objection.
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money elsewhere.
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Why?
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business.
Yes.
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in banking.
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player.
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Who?
kept jumping over the line from one side to the other
in regard to, for example, going out and having fun with
the guys.
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No, no.
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hour activities?
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Okay.
gentlemen's clubs?
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Objection.
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gentlemen's club?
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Yes.
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Yes.
gentlemen's club.
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Okay.
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players?
UNKNOWN SPEAKER:
said today?
MR. CIMO:
definition of player.
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He fires, we fire,
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that his father, Julius, had had with the government and
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optionable litigation.
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this.
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I got it.
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to?
Okay.
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2009 --
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Objection.
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BY MR. CIMO:
Mr. Nordlicht?
I would be guessing.
them.
Thank you.
And let me -- I have to -- there was an
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Okay.
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Nordlicht?
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It did, to my recollection.
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about.
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about him.
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if there was any fraud, he would have run for the hills,
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Jack, no.
Okay?
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and forth.
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is more of a player.
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happened?
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A
Objection to form.
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have happened?
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A
Objection to form.
That's my opinion.
MR. CIMO:
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128.
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I have.
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I didn't.
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I'm sorry.
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That's all.
fellas, right?"
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Yes.
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Organized crime.
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Is that a
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There was.
ALL PRESENT:
Objection.
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I did.
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Objection.
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describe it.
BY MR. CIMO:
personnel that you were dealing with that they were your
"good fellas"?
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my general nature.
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Okay.
It's just
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Yes.
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there?
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Mayer.
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be to my law firm.
office?
Infrequently.
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over to visit.
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without --
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well?
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Yes.
Why was your law office picked as the location for this
particular meeting?
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hedge-fund personnel?
A
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was there; but most of the time, the meeting took place
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in my offices.
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Yes.
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Funding forecast.
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offered?
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Okay.
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I'm sorry.
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I don't.
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amount.
Q
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Sorry.
Yeah.
or 2009?
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BY MR. CIMO:
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Objection to form.
Okay.
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Objection.
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No.
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MR. CIMO:
129.
(Thereupon, a document was marked as Trustee's
Exhibit No. 129 for Identification.)
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BY MR. CIMO:
Radinsky.
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Management.
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Mhm-mhm.
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entity before?
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Sure.
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that the address in New York that you had the initial
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Yeah.
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agreement.
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Yeah.
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I do.
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from Mr. Jedwab that had any other prefix in it, besides
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Centurion?
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I didn't
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Simony.
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That's okay.
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structured settlements?
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Yes, sir.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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RRA agreement.
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I'm sorry.
This document is
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BY MR. CIMO:
All right.
document?
I did.
Why?
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G. Steinbeck.
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address.
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Yes.
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It was.
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SFS Funding?
different pieces.
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Okay.
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agreement."
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Yes.
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on timing issues.
Why is Mr. Preve on this alias email sending
to you a document regarding Whitehaven Group?
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ALL PRESENT:
Objection to form.
BY MR. CIMO:
Go ahead.
To the best --
involved in it.
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the objection.
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Preve?
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Yes.
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was sent, that Mr. Preve was, in fact, doing side deals
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Sure I did.
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You did.
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Objection.
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I'm just a
BY MR. CIMO:
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That's fine.
What is your definition of a side deal for the
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organization.
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What made
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Mr. Simony and Mr. Huberfeld told you that you were not
to let the hedge funds know about whatever side deal SFS
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A
BY MR. CIMO:
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Objection to form.
objection.
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your side deals, where his hedge funds would not know
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about it?
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No.
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Huberfeld?
A
Mr. Simony
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Frank.
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specific recollection.
I don't have a
you?
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pages.
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his behalf.
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agreement?
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Understood.
Sure.
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funded?
A
It was.
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made.
Ultimately, I
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it --
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Mr. Simony.
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That's correct.
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Yes.
months?
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That's correct.
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Objection to form.
deal?
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deal?
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Preve?
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Yes.
this later.
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side deals.
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Intracoastal Group?
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Yes.
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record.)
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transactions?
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ALL PRESENT:
BY MR. CIMO:
Objection to form.
Entity?
ALL PRESENT:
Objection.
BY MR. CIMO:
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I don't recall.
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someplace.
Q
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There was.
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Objection to form.
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with somebody.
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I need a
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are taking care of you and helping you sustain the Ponzi
scheme.
Thank you.
I'm going to show you now Exhibit No. 132, an
through 66.
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Mr. Simony.
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Mr. Simony.
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I do.
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2008?
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Objection to form.
that?
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to get it.
hedge funds?
I am.
what was causing them to -- what was the word you used,
"hinked"?
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Hinked up.
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Hinked up.
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No.
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I didn't.
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schemes --
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Objection.
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Dreier had hit the seen, Petters had hit the scene,
there was all kinds of Ponzi stuff going on, and people
edgy.
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December of 2008 --
ALL PRESENT:
MR. CIMO:
UNKNOWN SPEAKER:
Objection.
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2008.
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Yes?
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-- but I didn't.
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I really
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meeting?
No, sir.
recollection?
recollection?
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Objection to form.
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it.
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insurance is mentioned?
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problematic.
wanted.
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insurance.
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themselves.
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Thank you.
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UNKNOWN SPEAKER:
same.
BY MR. CIMO:
Mr. Simony?
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So...
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I don't recall.
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Objection to form.
If you know?
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their heads.
I can assume --
No, no.
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Don't assume.
No.
I don't know.
I know
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Objection.
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done --
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Objection to form.
Objection to form.
question.
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BY MR. CIMO:
What did
ALL PRESENT:
Objection.
BY MR. CIMO:
No.
Obviously, they
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on what were you told or what did you learn that was
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Thank you.
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flow.
Q
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Yes.
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told him and Mr. Simony had told him that Brian and Gil
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into trust?
send them.
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time --
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Yes.
Okay.
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Objection.
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paper?
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the paragraph.
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writing.
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BY MR. CIMO:
Objection to form.
No.
Not to my recollection.
time during the Ponzi scheme, from the hedge funds, that
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No.
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Florida law with the hedge funds where they told you
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its counsel?
No.
The
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abundantly clear that this is what the law was and they
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which we'll call paragraph two; and you say, "firms that
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Very.
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Objection to form.
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Objection, form.
Mr. Slama.
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Objection, form.
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BY MR. CIMO:
Yes.
Why?
Why not?
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Shelly Schlesinger?
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Objection.
Yes.
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Go ahead.
broader base.
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referral fees.
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Why
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firm?
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scam?
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Am I wrong in characterizing it as a
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No.
Objection.
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BY MR. CIMO:
Okay.
bench, and he's one of the three lawyers that Mr. Adler
was going to get to talk about how great your firm is,
right?
Yes.
Correct.
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Objection.
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Bates.
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Mischaracterization.
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Yes.
And we need to clarify, just the nature of
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other firms.
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I'm sorry.
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firms.
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This is
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scam.
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Thank you.
But if you can just explain to me how these
Adler firms, I'm going to say the one that you referred
reputation?
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There is no comparison.
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Kelley's firm.
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Mr. Simony?
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And it
three firms?
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mischaracterization.
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misleading.
BY MR. CIMO:
Objection to form,
To my knowledge, no.
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contacted.
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Mr. Jedwab and Mr. Glass, to the other firms, the two
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then crossed them off the list and then referred three
other firms?
Yes.
Why not?
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business as usual.
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entire email?
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quickly.
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Back to where?
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mean?
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We
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again.
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stopped funding?
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I don't recall.
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December.
the same time that this Regent side deal that you
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Objection to form.
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Mr. Simony and Mr. Nordlicht, was that we had the Brian
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massive crime.
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Let me show you Exhibit 135.
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It's a declaration of
BY MR. CIMO:
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the record.
Yes.
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in 2009.
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exhibit?
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MR. CIMO:
BY MR. CIMO:
Exhibit B, as in "boy."
I have.
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time.
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Yes.
earlier that were the three other law firms that were
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with you and Mr. Jedwab with these three lawyers, just
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visited, too?
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visited?
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It's
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Okay.
I was reading.
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Objection, form.
I'm sorry.
No, gladly.
What opinion did you reach, if any, in regard
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motions"?
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I probably did.
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lawyers were met with that just made you believe one way
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Objection, form.
Yes.
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Mr. Jedwab, Mr. Glass, Mr. Simony and Mr. Preve, were
of these meetings.
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that road.
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cases.
I tried to recover.
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the cases.
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happened?
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I did.
Objection to form.
Because here he is
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the dates.
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him?
Yes.
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It was several
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It did.
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recollection?
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So I
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Yes, sir.
I did.
Okay.
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No.
That never
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BY MR. CIMO:
ALL PRESENT:
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limited.
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Objection.
Form.
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Form.
front end.
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Objection.
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That's correct.
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done on the three law firms that Mr. Adler had referred
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Speculation.
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What did
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Any follow-up?
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Anything?
To my recollection, no.
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email?
It is.
money.
Okay.
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I have no recollection.
If they did, it was of no significance.
It
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Mr. Glass taking any notes while they met with the three
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firms?
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grievance?
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explain why payments were not being made and also to try
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pay us.
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don't know.
I don't know.
Objection to form.
I don't think they were, but I
MR. CIMO:
Exhibit 137.
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I don't.
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BY MR. CIMO:
Yes, I do.
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funding.
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I understand.
So it was really the Banyon entities that were
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Understood.
is referring to there?
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No, no.
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I'm sorry.
I apologize.
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That's me.
Okay.
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remember:
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investing.
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point that you believe will put the players who are
reasons.
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Okay.
Okay?
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things.
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Okay.
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illegitimate players.
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You don't
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146, as a composite.
BY MR. CIMO:
Okay.
UNKNOWN SPEAKER:
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on in these, please?
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Guido, Guido.
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deal is that?
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Hang on a second.
This is Preve to me, actually.
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I'm sorry.
Yes.
Okay.
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hedge funds.
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not the same thing, and that is what's being set forth.
It's
with these guys, but you have to remember that the hedge
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Look at exhibit --
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Thank you.
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today?
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I don't remember if I
Did
it happen?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Ari Glass?
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Yes.
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It's Ari.
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and Mr. Preve and yourself about Mr. Glass being the
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crazy man?
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Yes.
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Why?
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the book.
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Go to Exhibit 145.
This email from Preve to Mr. Nordlicht talks
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Suggestion.
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I would like you to look at the email from
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myself and Mr. Preve and Mr. Levin, that they were
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funds wanted?
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I do.
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about 15 million.
A
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Okay.
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It is.
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That's correct.
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that point?
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I don't know.
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default.
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default, no.
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Exhibit --
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Not to my knowledge.
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Yes.
I did.
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because I had them under the belief that all the money
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money from?
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No, sir.
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No, sir.
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Platinum?
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No, sir.
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Objection.
Jack himself?
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BY MR. CIMO:
Yes.
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he thinks.
No.
Yeah.
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Don't guess.
I don't know what he thought.
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Objection.
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Form.
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that Jack just wanted to make sure the hedge fund got
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money.
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UNKNOWN SPEAKER:
Object.
Is there a
question?
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Let me rephrase.
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ALL PRESENT:
Objection.
BY MR. CIMO:
If you know.
Technically, Banyon.
Yes.
Form.
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talking about?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Objection.
It's been
asked twice.
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As an individual?
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As an individual.
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Objection to form.
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BY MR. CIMO:
Yes.
Jack --
MR. SCHERER:
Overruled.
THE WITNESS:
Thank you.
cared.
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I don't think he
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Frank Preve.
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Platinum.
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No subject.
Did you see the one from Mr. Nordlicht to
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April 29th?
I did.
It was not.
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I apologize.
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I do.
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This document.
I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry?
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input.
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No, sir.
MR. CIMO:
please.
THE WITNESS:
MR. CIMO:
BY MR. CIMO:
Sure.
To wrap up.
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funded?
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Objection to form.
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hedge funds?
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send it.
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Yes.
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Objection to form.
Form.
Yes.
Objection.
Objection to form.
They were --
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Objection.
or insubstantial.
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A
Objection to form.
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the law firm, those funds were thrown into the same
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total revenues.
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defraud creditors.
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I did.
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To hinder creditors?
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I do.
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All right.
Now, go ahead.
Just go --
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Objection to form.
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To me?
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To a lot of them.
Sure.
didn't he?
He did.
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