1do You Have To Flush Your Brain Effects

"Do you have to
flush your brain

down the loo to be a
Christian?"
Rev Rob Brennan M. Sc., B. Sc., B. Th., B. A.(Hon).
NO!
Session Outline
1. Science and Christianity in
conflict, or is this just a myth?
2. How do they really?
3. Laws of Nature or Acts of God
4. How do I respond
3. Creation and evolution
1. Science and Christianity in

conflict, or is this just a myth?
What are your reactions to
the idea of conflict?
White and Draper
Columbus vs the world was flat

Wrong: all serious scholars
believed world was round.
How big was the question
Galileo subjected to the

inquisition for saying the
earth goes around the sun.
Wrong: for insulting the
pope.
Darwin lost his faith because of

his evolutionary theory.
Wrong: followed death of
father daughter Annie.
Science and religion then and now

< 18thC religion = personal faith
By 19th Religion = body of beliefs.
Science and religion then and now

Science first called science mid
th
19 century.
Before natural philosophy.
Differences:
Astronomy, Mathematics Music
together in Galileos day.
Biology merely farming
3. Laws of Nature or Acts of God

Middle ages: how the world works
is a mystery known to God.
Nature was there to teach us about
God or to worship God.
Renaissance:
many
illustrations handed down were
wrong
Reformation:
Calvin and two books of revelation.
Bible and Nature.
Both revealing Gods nature.
Both ordered and reliable.
Both books read and interpreted in
similar fashion.
Nature an aid to understand God.
Most natural philosophers clergy
Newton:
Natural world follows
predictable laws .
Laws of God in Nature sustained
by God at all times.
Later natural law and then laws of
nature.
Post Newton: Laws of God in Nature to Laws of Nature.

God getting left out of discussion of nature.
If God is the perfect architect then the laws in creation
can be no less than perfect or God would not be God.
(Whoops we will just forget about the incarnation for a
while)
Pre-Darwin:
If God is perfect and the perfect
Creator then species will be perfected
adapted to their environments. No
changes, no extinctions no problems.
(Whoops, fossils. dinosaurs

extinct and tropical animal
remains in non-tropical UK. )
Darwin:
Change does occur. Confusion
follows in some circles. Darwin
was actually worried about the
confusion.
Turn back to the incarnation

Does God always choose to be
perfect?
What definition of perfection
are you going to use.
God created the world and we
are told it was good, but that it
is no longer that way.
Turn back to the incarnation

God acts in the world in Jesus
for our benefit.
Being perfect in action is
subject to God acting to save
us so that we might know God.
Our response:
Have a genuine desire to
seek the truth.
Be open and aware of
criticism and humbly
respond
Be aware of peoples
assumptions.
ISSUES: (Cont.)
Be aware of the history.

Scientists not taught
Christians often unaware
interpretation of Genesis. Augustine and

Origen
Be aware of limitations
to theories.
Seek the Truth
5. Creation and Evolution

ROUGHLY 6 CURRENT POSITIONS
1.Extreme creationism (In 6 days)
Bible says it, that settles it
2.Moderate creationism Evolution
not possible, open to enquiry, In
six days a possibility, Most physical
Scientists (80-90%), St Augustine
3. Creation with God using EvolutionMany

theologians. Many Life Scientists with faith.
4. Neo-Darwinian Evolution Gould, most life
Sciences
5. Extreme Neo-Darwinism No God - Dawkins,
Denett
6. Beats me!
All positions are being seriously argued for at this stage. (eg;
CTNS Conf 2000)
80-90% of physical scientists do

have doubts about evolution.
1. Standard scientific theories disagree
Geology Earth 4.5 billion yo
Universe 12-14 Billion yrs.
Big Bang theory 1st draft
1.5-2.5 Billion yrs. (Whoops)
Formation of the solar system
4-5 billion year mark
asteroid impact wipe outs until a million
years ago. (Whoops)
Evolution requires change over

millions or billions of years the longer
the better.
2. Gaps in Fossil Record - Transitional
forms for complex animals dont exist.
3. Absence of good mutations
4. Not testable
MOST IMPORTANT
The world was created for Gods
pleasure and we are designed to
enjoy it.
God acts in the world in Jesus for
our benefit.
Gods action is subject to God
acting to save us so that we might
know God.

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"Do you have to

flush your brain

1. Science and Christianity in

Columbus vs the world was flat

Galileo subjected to the

Darwin lost his faith because of

Science and religion then and now

Science and religion then and now

3. Laws of Nature or Acts of God

Post Newton: Laws of God in Nature to Laws of Nature.

(Whoops, fossils. dinosaurs

Turn back to the incarnation

Turn back to the incarnation

Be aware of the history.

interpretation of Genesis. Augustine and

5. Creation and Evolution

3. Creation with God using EvolutionMany

80-90% of physical scientists do

Evolution requires change over

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