Commons:Requests for rights/Denied/Filemover/2018

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Instead of tagging certain files and categories, which most likely need to be moved/renamed (most recently like here, here, here, here, here, here and here), I could be equally helpful in moving them. Thank you. ВоенТех (talk) 14:38, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done only active for two weeks under this account. Not enough proven experience. [Daylen[User:Natuur12|Natuur12]] (talk) 19:53, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's not true, and I'm surprised you didn't check it. I've been active since August 2016 (for more than a year now,) though previously I've edited from IP and tagged files to move while unregistered (here is an example). If you're an admin, you can easily check it. ВоенТех (talk) 11:52, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
We cannot check IPs, unless given to COM:CU for anti-vandalism purposes. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 22:38, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I wish to move some files to another name to show some alphanumeric order. Many thanks for your voluntary work and best wishes sent by --Bernd Schwabe in Hannover (talk) 11:52, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Bernd Schwabe in Hannover: You may use en:WP:SORTKEY consideration 2. Certain characters are special, in that sort keys which start with them get sorted first, before both numbers and letters. This happens because they precede numbers and letters in USASCII character code order.
Also, there is a problem with your user talk page: I see that it is becoming quite long at 177 kB wikitext; it is rather difficult to navigate & edit; and MediaWiki can't handle displaying it, such that templates are not working at the bottom and it is in Category:User talk pages where template include size is exceeded. Some old browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please archive it in accordance with the guidelines laid out here. You can do this automatically with MiszaBot, and to quickly use a standard setup for MiszaBot, simply place {{subst:User:MiszaBot/usertalksetup}} at the top of your user talk page. Thank you.   — Jeff G. ツ 12:22, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Jeff, hello Steinsplitter, hello Natuur12. Now we could look back to this Christmas and the family days.

  1. Thank you for your explainings. For that reason I today made my first archive in commons and cleared my user talk page.
  2. I do not want to remove categories but file names such as in the Category:Illustrierte Zeitung 3538 where you can read and see the files in their alphanummeric order. Another example could be given by the Category:Numbered postcards by Karl Friedrich Wunder where you can find the postcards sorted by their serial numbers. By doing so everyone can see which postcards (serial numbers) are still missing to complete the whole artwork of the postcards producers. Same procedure will be made by all the other Category:Postcards of Hannover where we will find in the future about 100.000 different postcards with pictures and their back sides sorted by their serial numbers produced in the period between the years 1898 to 1918. We just started to show them all and have up to today uploaded just a few more than 500 with 600 dpi each by the team of Wikipedia-Büro Hannover. Best regards and a happy new year, --Bernd Schwabe in Hannover (talk) 16:45, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Bernd Schwabe in Hannover: Thank you, but now User talk:Bernd Schwabe in Hannover/Archive 01 is 177 kB, still in Category:User talk pages where template include size is exceeded, and still too large for anyone to read the templates at the bottom as placed. Reverting what you did and using {{subst:User:MiszaBot/usertalksetup}} (which specifies automatic archiving after 31 days to archives not to exceed 70 kB) should be adequate. ArchiverBot typically archives my user talk page just before 07:30 (UTC) each day when necessary. My archives use years and English month names for historical reasons (I started them manually before automatic archiving and robust searching were available, and I just let the bots take over).   — Jeff G. ツ ping or talk 17:48, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeff G.: Thank you once more for your help, I did not know before. I've just done that now (with "" on the top of the side) awaiting what happens. Kindly regards, --Bernd Schwabe in Hannover (talk) 18:27, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Bernd Schwabe in Hannover: You're welcome.   — Jeff G. ツ ping or talk 03:19, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeff G.: ... so as you. --Bernd Schwabe in Hannover (talk) 12:57, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Jeff. Would you please be so kindly to explain why my name is here to see? Regards, --Bernd Schwabe in Hannover (talk) 19:06, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Bernd Schwabe in Hannover: 11:52, 23 December 2017 (UTC), you requested the Filemover right at Commons:Requests for rights. 19:53, 26 December 2017 (UTC), Administrator User:Natuur12 denied your request. You and I kept replying to each other. Copies of all that are above. 15:17, 19 January 2018 (UTC),‎ that same Administrator archived this entire section and the one above it to this new page for denied filemover requests archived in 2018, making room for new requests. Such archiving of Commons:Requests for rights has been happening for almost nine years, and can be useful when evaluating new requests from previous requesters.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 19:50, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Jeff. Many thanks in the moment for your work. Best regards, --Bernd Schwabe in Hannover (talk) 21:32, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am a long term user on the English wikipedia. Usually, I would edit train station articles but noticed that a lot of station images have weird file names. I would like to rename files, mostly related to train station images. I did not make any rename requests recently but I have made lots and lots of rename requests before, which all of them were successful. It feels very tiring to request for rename requests that's why I'm requesting for this right. Thank you. Vincent60030 (talk) 05:12, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Question @Vincent60030, where the file renaming policy of Commons can be found? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 08:00, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Incnis Mrsi: here :) Vincent60030 (talk) 08:26, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A guideline situated at one link-hop distance from the renaming policy states:

Titles of media files should be meaningful and helpful in the language chosen

How helpful in English language are “line 020909” and “(3998126361)”? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 09:15, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The 020909 represents the date taken, which is deemed useful based on the policy while the image ID (I presume) is not that important in my opinion. However, the most important is the main part of the file name, which is Holborn tube station eastbound Piccadilly line. The date is just like a sort of supplement in this case. Vincent60030 (talk) 15:34, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If you mean only the part "line 020909", then it is confusing because it may refer to the line as having the name "020909". That is super not effective to communicate with readers of the details of the image. Vincent60030 (talk) 15:41, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Could be helpful to indicate the date unless mishap with “line”, you said? Is this date 2 September 2009 or February 9, 2009? And why surely not 1909? And what for a user from South Africa who can also understand “02” as year? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 15:55, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but mentioning the date is just of secondary importance as the date alone does not describe the image completely (the date itself as a name would only tell you the date of the image that is taken. I have checked the Flickr image and it is indeed taken on 2 September 2009. The "old" British format normally use the DMY format if I'm not mistaken. :) It is definitely not 1909 since it wouldn't be possible for good quality pictures like this one that you have brought up. Oh yes, I do agree it should be put as 02092009 and even better, 02/09/2009. If it shall follow the common one, then 2009/09/02 will do the trick. Thanks for bringing this up :) It is common name problem that is discriminated to only "British users"/users only use the DMY format. Vincent60030 (talk) 01:46, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Vincent60030, you are making considerable progress, but you should know that certain characters are impossible to include into a name in “File:”, although the same might be possible in other namespaces. Do you understand to which character do I refer? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 06:35, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, which are control characters or any weird punctuation, such as @#$%^* etc. Underscores are also encouraged compared to spaces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vincent60030 (talk • contribs) 07:37, 30 January 2018 (UTC) (UTC)[reply]
What do you know about handling of underscores (_) in MediaWiki? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 07:43, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry but I actually don't use MediaWiki much, or I haven't used it before, but do you mind enlightening me about it? Vincent60030 (talk) 08:01, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done Only 88 edits and not even knowing about the handling of underscores. (Underscores are automatically replaced by spaces.) --Didym (talk) 23:36, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Incnis Mrsi: I opposed because of Anatoliy statement. Thanks — Bukhari (Talk!) 09:56, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note to admins: Please, do not count votes by Jeff_G. and Bukhari unless these users pointed to cases of concern more specifically (indicating, at least, timespan and approximate number of affected pages). Ahonc/Anatoliy is a Ukrainian speaker and edits uk.Wikipedia himself – his assessment should be trusted, but neither of Jeff_G. or Bukhari are likely even able read Cyrillic script easily. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 10:06, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK, Jeff_G. demonstrated now some responsibility. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 16:25, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done per the concerns mentioned above. @BukhariSaeed: please do not leave comments without adding new information. --Didym (talk) 23:19, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I upload many pictures at one time. Frequently I misspell file names. Now I re-upload the corrected filenames, and ask someone to delete the wrong files. It saves me mobile data limit to rename / move a file, and others work to delete. Not necessary, but useful! Long-time swedish photographer uploader. Thank you. Janwikifoto (talk) 17:29, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Now there are a lot of files named "Royals_***", which maybe could be renamed to something more descriptive. If I would be allowed to re-name the stuff I uploaded myself. No, I am not going to re-upload the same again, with new names, it eats too much of my mobile data allowance. So filemover would be useful. --Janwikifoto (talk) 20:46, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Janwikifoto: Non administrator comment Question: You are a trusted user but how many request for renaming files have you made? Please make some attempts to rename files and then I will support. For now, I vote neutral. Pkbwcgs (talk) 20:14, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Not done With lack of response to @Pkbwcgs: 's valid question, I am going to say no on this one. I am going to say this bluntly, and I apologize if it comes across curtly: Want to save bandwidth and mobile data? Make a reasonable attempt to upload the files properly the first time. You have not demonstrated an understanding of the community's expectations for file names. Looking through your last 500 uploads, most of the file names are meaningless or ambiguous in nature. Please come back at a later date when you have demonstrated an understanding of proper file naming and have had a handful of successful rename requests (ideally of other people's images, considering majority of yours are eligible for renaming). ~riley (talk) 03:17, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm doing maintenance work and I'd like to have the Filemover flag to be able to contribute more. Thank you. --MONUMENTA (talk) 14:32, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(Non administrator comment) @MONUMENTA: Question: How many files do you think you requested to be renamed? I checked all your contributions and I don't see that you requested to rename a file anywhere. My second question is, in which cases would you decline a file renaming request? Pkbwcgs (talk) 10:30, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pkbwcgs,

At the moment I have been categorizing and I have never requested any change of file name because I did not see it strictly necessary.
If being able to rename, I know that I should not do it for aesthetic or language reasons, as well as if the new name is´nt suitable. --MONUMENTA (talk) 10:53, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Oppose I am not satisfied that you haven't requested to rename any files. You upload files regularly but normally users who had many successful file renaming requests are promoted. I need to see that you had many successful requests for file renaming and then you are likely to be granted this right. Please try again in the future but not now. Pkbwcgs (talk) 12:25, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Not done per @Incnis Mrsi: and Pkbwcgs (although I would abstain from referring to this as a promotion). Please request at a later date when you have demonstrated the need for this tool and the judgment required to use it (at minimum a dozen of successful rename requests). ~riley (talk) 03:06, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]


I'd like to help to rename articles and answer requests. It would also be useful for me to rename my own uploades with erroneous names, if there were Thank you. Miguu (talk) 02:18, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done – Thank you for your offer to help, but unfortunately you don't have the experience that I consider necessary for granting this eight. You have fewer than 400 edits (compared to the 1,000–1,500 guideline) and, as far as I can tell, rarely or never contribute to file renaming. For now, please follow the process outlined here for renaming files. –Juliancolton | Talk 03:19, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Having included dozens of works in the Commons and hundreds of files belonging to them (500 actions in the last 30 days) (sometimes committing naming errors), I ask you for the possibility of obtaining the privileges of filemover mainly for djvu, pdf and jpg files. Thank you. √Jæ√ 11:31, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment User has requested several right in the last weeks, none of which has been granted. See Commons:Bots/Requests/Jæbot (2) for the actual bot request. --Krd 13:06, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Krd: Time will tell what will happen to the bot's request. First focus on this request also.--√Jæ√ 14:53, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@: why don’t you categorize your flickr2commons uploads anymore? Are HotCat or Cat-a-lot that hard to use? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 17:44, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]


I realized the other day when I needed to rename one of my files I never reapplied for file mover rights. Six months ago I applied and was denied [1] but I do a lot of maintenance work and in sorting through newly uploaded files I would like to fix names myself. I have certainly have re-read File renaming Guidelines many times over the past several months. I foresee most moves being under Criteria 1 and 2. Thank you. Thank you. Sixflashphoto (talk) 15:46, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done Still requesting renaming from names that indicate obvious copyright violations. --Didym (talk) 16:11, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]


I recently uploaded some files and I would like to rename them to make their name more meaningful. I have read and acknowledged the guidelines. Thank you. WQL (talk) 16:31, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done at this point per Jeff G. No confidence on my part for responsible use of rights. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 16:29, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]


I have uploaded some files to commons. But some of them are in wrong name and there was need to rename it. I can also use this right to help other users to rename files. Kindly plase give this right. Thank you. Path slopu(Talk) 08:01, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Incnis Mrsi: Sir, I didn't undo any vandalism, because I haven't the rollbacker right. -Path slopu(Talk) 12:27, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The “didn't undo any vandalism, because haven't the rollbacker right” assertion is indicative itself, but let discussion on available anti-vandalism techniques alone. If the candidate didn’t undo any vandalism—by the own assertion—then for what on Internet did he subscribed as a Counter-Vandalism Unit’s member? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 12:43, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Incnis Mrsi: Sir, when I get the rollbacker right I will actively participate in counter vandalism. So I joined CVU -Path slopu(Talk) 15:52, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Not done Candidate seems unaware that he can actively participate in counter vandalism without the rollbacker right. I see no grounds for approval at this time, please learn to utilize your current toolset before requesting additional rights. ~riley (talk) 07:35, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]


I propose myself as a filemover, because when I am making a logo, there are some typos that I make, and it would take a long time to fix the naming with the renaming request.Thank you.--Respublika Narodnaya (talk) 06:30, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The recent example is this. It should says Haal rather then Hall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narodnaya (talk • contribs) 06:33, 11 May 2018‎ Respublika (UTC)

 Not done, per Jeff. Please use the {{Rename}} template to request renames. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 15:08, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It would make it easier for me to change the names of files that I have uploaded with clear or inaccurate errors, in addition to the ones I find. Several expert users, how Strakhov they support me. Thank you. MONUMENTA Discusión 20:14, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose less than 3 weeks ago, Srittau asked that you demonstrate 6 months of good renames before re-applying. Regardless of whether that is overly long (I don't think it is), this is now your fourth request this year, and your previous request hasn't even been archived yet. Even if the last few rename requests have been perfect, you are demonstrating either a disregard for, or a lack of comprehension of, the standards on Commons. Storkk (talk) 20:45, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Although it is not six months, I have two months of good requests of reamnings fully justified and compliance with all the requirements and guidelines. MONUMENTA Discusión 21:28, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Don't use me, MONUMENTA. I told you to wait six months. As usual, you didn't listen. strakhov (talk) 21:44, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Oppose Last request was only archived 19 days ago. Not at this time. --küñall (nütramyen) 00:47, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose Since you failed to wait the six months before reapplying, I am inclined to wait a year before I support.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 11:22, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Not done I've read your past 3 declined requests. This is your 5th request (one in 2017, 3 in 2018, and this one). Try again, after 6 months from now. Any filemover permission requests from this user before 2 December 2018 12:40 (UTC) should be rejected. — regards, Revi 12:40, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment Simply say that I am very sorry for the discomfort caused by my heaviness. This is my last message here until the established date. MONUMENTA Discusión 13:49, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that: You won't get the filemover right just because 6 months has elapsed: You'll have to demonstrate your competence (for example, not abusing user right requests, demonstrated need to access, etc etc) or you won't get it even after then. — regards, Revi 16:04, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Question, I will never make a misuse again, but am I not demonstrating the need for permission? MONUMENTA Discusión 18:10, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm an experienced Commons user and I know guidelines for renaming (since I made a few renaming requests i the past - and today). As part of WLE Italy team, I want to comply with the guidelines the files are uploaded for the contest. Thank you. Yiyi (Dimmi!) 12:09, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done per Jeff. Please familiarize yourself with COM:RENAME some more and I would like to see more rename requests from you. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 13:02, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm mainly working on files of Dutch monuments and there are a lot of files that have been uploaded from (e.g.) panoramio with meaningless names. I created renaming requests in the past but I would like to be able to rename the files by myself to save work for others. Thank you. Bardenoki (talk) 07:43, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Question I'm unfamiliar with the area, so could you perhaps elaborate on your rename request for File:City_Centre,_8011_Zwolle,_Netherlands_-_panoramio_(55).jpgFile:Sassenpoort - BB - 9.jpg? Is removing Zwolle from the filename prudent (not a rhetorical question)? What is BB, and why did you add it.. I see that the author is a "Ben Bender", but did you really abbreviate the author and stick that in the filename? Why abbreviate, if so? Thanks, Storkk (talk) 07:55, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Usually I use the name of the city too, e.g. if the name consists of a street name. But for the Sassenpoort I just used the name of the category (same as the lemma in the Dutch Wikipedia). Of course, there is no further reason to avoid the name of the city. Concerning the BB: You're right, it tzhe abbreviation for the authors name, but here I used it more as an additional ID to get a unique filename. The authors name is documented in the description of the file and, for me, should not be part of the filename. Regards Bardenoki (talk) 09:56, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the new filenames in that batch are not significant improvements, and indeed could be seen as degredations... but I'll leave it for another admin to finalize. Storkk (talk) 10:03, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done I agree with Storkk. According to our current guidelines, renames should be the exception not the rule. Most of your rename requests improve the filename, but the original names were not wrong or overly generic, according to COM:RENAME. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 13:07, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am quite experienced Commons contributor and I've made many requests for renaming, so I know guidelines for renaming. The rights would help me to contribute in easier way and I would also help other users with renaming. Thank you. Zoranzoki21 (talk) 08:36, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Oppose I see there is too of your last requests of renaming which have been declined. Very sorry. Olivier LPB (talk) 09:04, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done per Olivier LPB. Please review our renaming guidelines. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 11:35, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]


I am a Commons user that likes to make svg diagrams and files, but on some occasions I would make mistakes to the file name. It would be better if I fix them myself to make it easier and quicker. I have requested some renaming request before, and all of the requests were accepted. Thank you. Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 03:04, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've uploaded hundreds, maybe thousands, of images on Commons and I have over 1,500 edits. I have found misleading errors in some of my file names and would like the right in order to correct them without tying down the queue. These errors include mis-identification of the image subject in the file name that would leave the viewer quite confused. Thank you. Veggies (talk) 03:25, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Question I could not find any rename requests among your contributions. Have you made any rename requests so far? If so, could you please provide links to them? 4nn1l2 (talk) 03:54, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have not, no. -- Veggies (talk) 04:03, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not promoted. I couldn't find any activity related to file renaming. You may tag {{Rename}} for files with inappropriate filenames. When you should be familiar with file renaming, you may apply for this right again. Thanks. – Kwj2772 (talk) 06:55, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Mostly just looking to be able to handle my own screwups. Have uploaded a number of files without remembering to change the name (e.g., 1, 2, 3). It's a pain, and a waste of others' time, to keep asking for these to be changed. Were I to use the permission for files uploaded by others, I would do so sparingly. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 04:05, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done You uploaded less than 190 files, please use {{Rename}} if there are any wrongly named. --Steinsplitter (talk) 11:37, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]


I could be of some help in moving items instead of asking other users to move them. Here are some files moved on my request earlier:

[2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41] [42] [43] [44] [45] [46] [47] [48] [49] [50] Thank you. ВоенТех (talk) 13:30, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh. Well then the admins, who deleted those files on my request, are "not familiar with the relevant speedy criterion" either. Maybe the entire Commons are "not familiar" but thank goodness you are. ВоенТех (talk) 11:24, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is a mistake. Where possible, it is necessary to maintain redirects, as stated in COM:FR: "Additional information: Please consider creating file redirects instead, where applicable and possible". --sasha (krassotkin) 20:39, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • No it's not. There's no need to maintain gibberish redirects like "File:Javelin 02.jpg". If it could be a mistake, Y.haruo would have never deleted that nonsense, which he did and did for obvious reasons.
    Merriam-Webster defines Javelin as: "a light spear thrown as a weapon of war or in hunting." It doesn't mention missiles. If the user that uploaded that file took care to provide more descriptive name like "Javelin missile in flight (where exactly)," believe you me, nobody would ever touch that file. Not only the previous name was gibberish, it was misleading as well, because anyone not experienced with a military hardware could get that this here is a brand new "Javelin 2" undergoing field trials, unbeknowst that the uploader typed "02.jpg" after he found out that "01.jpg" already do exist. I fixed that.
    And I really don't see any mistakes here. ВоенТех (talk) 18:54, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now not only ВоенТех, but Commons bystanders as well will get which mixture of deletionism and disdain for Web content users “don’t behave… like in ru.Wikipedia” refers to. Also, am curious how “happy” is the (tangentially related) sysop for being dragged here explicitly. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 12:39, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Since the sysop didn't show up yet, I presume that Incnis Mrsi and sasha are the only ones who trully believe that the above cited are evil doings. I call it a routine. ВоенТех (talk) 18:08, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fry1989 (revoke)

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As I found yesterday (see discussion) Fry1989 constantly mass violates ALL our rules for renaming files (both in letter and in spirit; see also his log and examples of recently declined rename requests) and plans to do it in the future. I suggest to revoke filemover right from him. --sasha (krassotkin) 08:43, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Related: file talk:Naval Ensign of China.svg. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 10:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have been a trusted user of the File Mover right for 6 years now, and not once have I had any user complain about my renames. Not once.' Krassotkin has accused me of false motivations for file renaming. They have accused me of renaming files from another language into English just because I think it should be in English. I have never once done that. They have also accused me of renaming files just because I think one name looks better than another name. Again, I have never done that. There are 3 main reasons I have renamed files. The first is file name harmonisation, which falls under #4, where it is in the interest of Commons and the other projects that a set of connected images use one uniform naming style. The second is to correct obvious file name errors, such as misspellings or files named "Example.svg.svg", which falls under #3 and #6. The third has been to put meaningful names on files with meaningless names, this falls under #2. I do not rename files that are already under some form of naming convention, such as the BSicon files. That is an example Krassotkin raised on my talk page as a matter of concern. Those files already follow a naming convention because they are part of a very extensive set of thousands upon thousands of files. Even if their names appear meaningless to the unaware user, it serves a purpose and I fully understand that. I support the naming convention for the BSicon files and have no objection. The objection Krassotkin has taken with me is my most recent naming of governmental flags so that they follow a standard naming convention. Currently, they do not. In my opinion, it is entirely valid under #4, that flags of presidents, prime ministers, and other government officials follow a standard name. "Flag of the President of...", "Flag of the Prime Minister of...", "Flag of the Parliament of..." and so on, with simply the country name varying. It is entirely in the spirit of #4. We already have similar name harmonisations in effect, such as "Naval Ensign of country", "Civil Ensign of country", and not least "Flag of country". Therefore, my renaming not only is in the spirit of #4, it follows previous precedent. As for the related disruption in files that have been renamed and their redirects, I also attempted to explain to Krassotkin that I have been careful to also input immediate replacement of the previous name with the new one. I do this both manually and with the aid of an application. This reduces any disruption to an absolute minimum. I believe Krassotkin's objection and desire to see my File Mover right revoked is in bad faith and stems from a complete misunderstanding of what I am attempting to accomplish. Their accusation that I am deliberately violating the spirit of "ALL the renaming rules" is quite frankly hyperbolic to the maximum and suggests that I have not made one valid rename. If such were true, surely I would not go 6 years without complaint from anyone else. I have never renamed any files other than in the spirit of the renaming rules I laid out above. Fry1989 eh? 17:15, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I believe in your good intentions but unfortunately you only confirmed that you don't understand the renaming rules and are not familiar with the practice of their application. Anyone who routinely deals with renaming requests can open your log. Almost all of your renames would be declined if you requested it in the usual way.
We do not have any naming conventions or standard names. The rules clearly talk about this. I have provided a link to your talk page. It's just your idea and the consequence of your active work. But it is harmful activity. The rules describe the reasons in detail. Just reread them. Moreover, trying to massively name files in accordance with their own ideas is the most common mistake of new users. This harms our project and leads to conflicts. All such requests are declined. Sometimes we even block users if they are persistent in such requests.
It's easy to see that you are directly violating the rules when you make minor changes when renaming (brackets, uppercase, and so on). There are many such examples. But even worse, you change the language of the file name. Our multilingual and multicultural project is destroyed by this.
I only regret that before no one paid attention to this massive activity. --sasha (krassotkin) 09:08, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to believe that you believe in good intentions, but your hostility of language used towards me is quite frankly unacceptable, to me, and it should be to others. I have proposed various name harmonisations before on the Commons boards, and gained permission for them. One example is the harmonisation of road sign files. I put forward the proposal that they be harmonised under a new naming convention of "Country name road sign ...", and waited for a consensus and permission. I gained it. Your assumption is that I am going around doing things on my own without any sort of precedent or permission or valid reasoning. You have accused me of violating every single renaming rule both in letter and spirit, something that is clearly not true to any observer. You have accused me on file talk:Naval Ensign of China.svg of a "war of edits", which is also not true. Most naval ensign files were renamed without any controversy or problem, and the only ones that I reverted were because the projects are case sensitive. That makes it imperative that, for them to remain harmonised, they all use the same letter case.
The rules for renaming are set out in word but are still somewhat discretionary in nature. Different users may have broader and narrower interpretations of what qualifies for renaming under each rule. You clearly have a much more narrow interpretation than I do, but you have yet to point out any harm or disruption caused by any of my renames, or any that have been undone as improper, or any that have been controversial, except to yourself and even then you haven't pointed out any specific ones, you have been nebulous and told others to "just look at his log!". You have made hyperbolic statements about my renames, ones that are clearly untrue. You have inferred that I have the mentality of a "newbie", when I have been here for nearly a decade if counting my edits before creating a user account. You continue to accuse me of renaming files from one language into another just because I think they should be in English, despite my explanation to the contrary. You claim we do not have naming conventions, when we clearly do and I've even made public proposals for new ones and gained support. I have attempted to explain in a very calm manner the reasons under which I rename files and how I view them to qualify under specific rules. I have done nothing wrong here. Fry1989 eh? 14:49, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You have made statements about my renames that are untrue. Those are called accusations. You have accused me of doing things for one reason when I have explained multiple times it was for a separate reason. You say there are no harmonised naming conventions on Commons when that is untrue. National flags are all harmonised to "Flag of country", in the same language and same letter cases. It was that way long before I ever came to Commons. That is just one example. I also made proposals for new name conventions on the Boards and was approved. You have described my approach as that of a newbie despite my many years working with renaming. You have accused me of a "war of edits" when that is untrue, 99% of my renames have been uncontested and uncontroversial, and the only ones that have gone back and forth have been over letter case, and as I explained, the projects are case sensitive so letter case does matter if the names of a group of files are to be harmonised. You have described my renames as "destroying" multi-lingual projects, which I find to be a very badly worded statement even if it were true. I have no interest in arguing with you further. Fry1989 eh? 18:13, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]


For the record, those that choose to support this motion are validating misrepresentations and outright falsehoods repeated by Krassotkin in what I regard to be bad faith despite my refuting them multiple times.
  • I have never renamed a file from one language into another simply because I think one language is better than the other. This stands out as especially egregious to me as it requires knowing the operation of my mind.
  • I have never renamed a file simply because I think one name looks better than the other name. Once more, this requires some form of psychic ability.
  • I have never gone through a "war of edits", fighting over a file name, and Krassotkin has yet to provide one actual example of such behaviour.
  • Naming conventions for groups of connected files do exist, across a variety of subject matter, and is literally spelled out in renaming rule #4. Krassotkin has stated outright that they do not despite ample evidence to the contrary.
  • Stating that I have violated "ALL of the renaming rules both in letter and spirit" is so hyperbolic it should be rejected on its face by any observer.
  • Krassotkin has described me as having the understanding of a newbie in regards to renaming, despite my many years working on renaming, having approached it in a collegial manner with other users, and prior to now not having one single complaint lodged against my renaming process by another user or my renames being undone.
Fry1989 eh? 17:30, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]


  •  Oppose, insufficient evidence.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 09:12, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Jeff G. ツ, I have listed the main types of mistakes and examples on his talk page. But I can not bring them all. Because there are thousands of such erroneous renames in his log. His main mistake is the misuse of the criterion of harmonization (#4). We have only two specific cases where it can be used and nowhere else. See recent declined request. A large scale of the problem is visible on the CommonsDelinker page (example). These renames affect thousands of pages and hundreds of projects (1, 2, 3, 4, etc). This is not only a huge useless load of our servers. By the way, some of these pages are protected and can not be processed. There is also a massive unpatrol of articles where Delinker does not have an appropriate status. But this is only the tip of the iceberg. There are thousands of projects on the MediaWiki engine of different versions that use Wikimedia Commons. And there is no "CommonsDelinker". Not all of them are able to correctly handle such renaming. So they lose the images. I'm not talking about projects that use direct links to images on Wikimedia Commons yet. They will lose all connections. That's why we need to rename files with extreme caution and only when we can not do without it. Anyone who does not understand this should not have access to this functionality. --sasha (krassotkin) 08:16, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Krassotkin, I would like to thank you for at least presenting arguments. However, I feel like a can counter this argument too (this time around, I will try to be less harsh. I feel like I attacked you personally, which I am ashamed of.) You brought up a recently declined request. As you have stated, language of file names should not be standardized, which is true. But, I get the impression that Fry's renames in no way are done to standardize language, but only minor things which should be standardized, like capitalization, and I thus feel like the example that you brought up doesn't apply well to the kind of renames which Fry carries out. VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 16:51, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • Don't worry, everything's fine. There are also language changes. I gave examples: 1, 2. But I will answer your question. Minor things are specifically forbidden by the rules: Commons:File renaming#Which files should not be renamed? (declined requests: 1-1, 2-2, 3-3, there are many examples). Such renaming does not solve any practical problem, they are decorative only, but they create the same big problems. --sasha (krassotkin) 19:48, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
          • Dear Krassotkin. I believe that you are doing this because you want to help out with this project. By necessity, either you or Fry are wrong on at least some level. And personally, I still stand by Fry's side. Let me explain: The rules do not outright prohibit minor renames, only renames done to solely improve aesthetics or change language. I believe that none of Fry's edits are done solely to improve aesthetics or change language. You gave me two examples of files which Fry had renamed into English. While Bengali is an entirely foreign language to me, I can defend his rename of the flag of the German president. Firstly, it is entirely within the rules to replace ambiguous names. The previous, German title only read "flag of the federal president". That is pretty ambiguous. "Flag of the president of Germany" is a lot clearer and less ambiguous. Secondly, when requesting a rename of a file, one of the reasons you can pick is literally "to harmonize the names of a set of images". In this case, the image set consists of the flags of country presidents, where all images are titled "flag of the president of (country)". So even if he did change language, the rules do not prohibit changing the language of a file name, but only changing language as the only reason. Then we have the minor renames, such as capitalization. Firstly, these renames are in spirit with the rename request option of image set harmonization, but secondly, as Fry has explained, they are not done for aesthetic reasons (which would go against the rules), but for technical reasons, since many templates and whatnot are case-sensitive. Thank you. VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 20:47, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I can not believe how many times I have attempted to explain the language issue and it has fallen on deaf ears, but I will attempt to do so one last time. In the case of File:Flag of the President of Germany.svg, yes, I renamed it from the German language into the English language. But, that had essentially nothing to do with why I renamed it. I would have renamed it even if the original name was in English, because the point was to harmonise the name of that file with the names of other presidential flags. The spirit of the renaming rule #4 is that a series of files that are connected should use a standard form of naming, so that only the most relevant part differs. The fact that #4 exists implies that there is a benefit to this. As I mentioned, "Flag of country" is already one example where all the files are harmonised so that the name of the country is the only thing that differs. We don't have them in all sorts of different styles like "Flag of Canada" and "German flag" and "French tricolour" and "National flag of China", or indeed in all sorts of differing languages. They are harmonised on purpose. I see a benefit, and I believe that #4 deliberately implies a benefit, that such a convention be extended to other flags in our repository. All naval ensigns are named "Naval Ensign of country", for example, and yes that was my doing but I see it as no less a valid example. It is the same with the Bangladeshi flags, yes I renamed them from Bengali into English, but the language had nothing to do with it. I am attempting to extend this harmonisation across some of our most common flags, such as the flags of presidents, of prime ministers, of supreme courts, and so on. Another matter is the replacement of files that have been renamed. Krassotkin rightfully states that CommonsDelinker is not perfect. It can't replace the names everywhere, and for files with broad use it can be a heavy task. But I already tried explaining that problem as well. I stated that I do the replacement process manually and with the aid of GlobalReplace. I have personally replaced the names on many projects. Take a look at File:Flag of the President of Vanuatu.svg for example. If you search the global usage of its former name "Presidential Standard of Vanuatu.svg", you will see that it is no longer used on any projects, it has been completely replaced. And the same goes for many more files I have renamed. CommonsDelinker does an ok job but misses spots, GlobalReplace helps a lot but it can also miss spots, and I manually fill the cracks myself. This reduces the disruption from renaming to a minuscule amount. Krassotkin either has not picked up on my explanation, or is willfully ignoring it. Lastly, I want to point out that a lot of the renames I have done are simply building upon what other File Movers have worked on. When I renamed "Flag of Rhodesia (1964).svg" to "Flag of Rhodesia (1964-1968).svg", at first glance yes that may look like an arbitrary change. But the efforts of other File Movers on this subject and indeed the largest sample of these flags show a clear preference (and what I consider precedent) that flags should include the full year dates of use from start to finish, and include those dates inside brackets. This isn't something I pulled out of a hat. Everything I have done is either building on the precedent of others, in the spirit of the renaming rules, or to deal with issues such as case sensitivity. Fry1989 eh? 04:04, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support per request. --Krd 14:32, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose I cannot believe that one of this project's most hardworking, helpful, and veteran contributors are having his rights threatened due to A PETTY CAPITALIZATION DISPUTE SPARKED BY A RENAME IN ACCORDANCE AND HARMONY WITH THE WIKIMEDIA RULES. Unbelievable. VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 19:43, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • ADDENDUM: I was admittedly unprofessional with all my all-caps writing, but the evidence is in favour of Fry. While Fry has given counter-arguments which essentially qualify as proof that his renames do not go against the rules, and in fact are done to meet the rules, Krassotkin does in no way present any counter-counter-arguments, but only keep repeating the same accusations which already have been disproven, and then goes on to claim "you only prove my point", which is fallacy so painful that one cannot even. And if I used as laughably unprofessional arguments as Krassotkin, I could for instance claim that he, as a Russian, automatically must be homophobic which is the true reason behind his attack on Fry. But I won't. Because I know that far from all Russians are homophobes, and that homophobes are people too. My final words are: if you even consider removing Fry's rights, then do the bare minimum and present proof! Arguments! Anything! Because Krassotkin sure hasn't done that. VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 20:03, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose don't agree - Richardkiwi (talk) (talk) 11:06, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]


I think it is fair to say there is no support here for the motion. Can we close this nonsense? Fry1989 eh? 19:20, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This has been ignored or avoided for 2 weeks now. Is someone gonna close this or is it gonna stay open in perpetuity? Fry1989 eh? 16:47, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done No consensus. – Kwj2772 (talk) 17:10, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to become file mover in commons. Through this I can rename the files said as per the COM:FR like at original uploader's request, to change meaningless name, etc. and serving the Wikimedia Commons with my contributions in renaming Thank you. Path slopu(Talk) 13:01, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,
I am aware my edit count is very low. But I am familiar with basic policies of Commons:File renaming. Till now, I have requested several moves (all accepted). If granted, I will work at Category:Media requiring renaming, with only the cases that I am 100% confident with. With time, my understanding will increase, and hence my number of moves will increase too. I am a native speaker of w:en:Marathi language, and I have near native fluency in Hindi, and English languages.
Althouh it doesnt matter here, and policies are completely different; I am a w:en:WP:page mover on enwiki, and I have carried out around 300 discussed moves, and around 200 technical/uncontroversial moves, none of which have been objected. I hope I can work the same on commons too. Regards, —usernamekiran(talk) 08:09, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done – As far as I can tell, you've only filed three rename requests in your time here. Combined with the fact that you have only about 325 edits, and the local experience is simply not sufficient to grant the filemover right right now. It's a great sign that you're trusted with the page mover right on enwiki, but file renaming on Commons is very, very different, as you're already aware. It's not an issue of trust, but rather one of familiarity with local policies. I thank you for your offer to help, and welcome you to contact me personally to revisit after you've gained some more experience. Sorry, –Juliancolton | Talk 17:19, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Juliancolton: Thank you for the friendly response. It is very appreciated. I just have one doubt/question: how should I show the understanding of renaming policy in the future? And on a side note, hitting ctrl+f on my contrib history (500 edits per page), shows seven requests for different files :p
usernamekiran(talk) 21:13, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I want to be a Filemover on Commons as I want to help the community in renaming. I have made many renaming request and most of them are successful. Thank you. √Tæ√ 08:27, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done Long history of actions not in line with COM:POLICY. Please use {{Rename}} for now. --Steinsplitter (talk) 14:03, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Steinsplitter: Earlier, there were many issues on my edits but after the block I have no issue. So I think FileMover rights can be given to me.--√Tæ√ 11:44, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are still some concerns, you didn't fixed all old files as you promised etc. Please use {{Rename}} for now. --Steinsplitter (talk) 08:15, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've had one of my files renamed (I can not remember if it was on en or here though) and I've read the criteria. Since I was granted rollback recently, I think I would be interested in spending some more time here. Also, on my home en.wiki, I frequently deal with image vandalism, either obscenities or LTA uploads (c. f. File:Coastal erosion.jpg). L293D (talk) 22:54, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done less than 300 edits, only 1 rename request --Didym (talk) 23:01, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have a fair amount of experience with requesting files be renamed. Rather than making more work for others, I would like to be able to help out more. I have extensive rights and experience on the English wikipedia and I think my contribution history both there and here demonstrates that I will be a supportive member of the community. More than happy to address any questions or concerns! Thank you. Zackmann08 (talk) 21:37, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Majora: would love to hear your thoughts. --Zackmann08 (talk) 18:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done less than 500 edits and this --Didym (talk) 23:16, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have recetnly attended the m:Wikigraphists Bootcamp (2018 India) and learnt about creation of illustrative diagrams in SVG format for articles on various Wikimedia projects. I am mainly working on Category:Images that should use vector graphics to convert existing PNG and JPG files in to SVG. So far I have converted more than 30 files in to SVGs, here are my uploads. After conversion of files to SVG format I need to replace old PNG/JPG files with new SVG files on pages where the PNG/JPG files are used globally. So initially intended to use this script, User:Perhelion/justReplace.js. But later came to know that it would only work for "File Mover", so I hereby request these rights for the above said task, and also do any file moves as required, abiding by the policies.--Sushant savla (talk) 12:58, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done Please continue to use the rename request template at this time. Once you become more aware of our processes and have a little bit more experience here on Commons come back and request again and we'll see at that time. --Majora (talk) 04:06, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Majora and Jeff G.: Hi Jeff, Hi Majora, thanks for considering this request. I would like to know if there is any way doing a global replace apart from this method—a bot or a requests page. Because sometimes the file is in use on more than 100 Wikis, that'll be very tedious to do it manually. KCVelaga (talk · mail) 04:53, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@KCVelaga: What would you want to replace and why? What does this post have to do with Sushant savla?   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 08:49, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeff G.: Thanks for the reply. Sorry for posting an unclear query. It is a general practice to replace the JPG/PNG etc. files with the equivalent vector illustration (SVGs mostly, if they're available). This user script; User:Perhelion/justReplace.js, can be used to perform Global Replace action, which replaces the existing version with the SVG version. This process is same for the file renaming; the old file name is replaced with the new one globally. From my tests, I assumed that this script can't be used individually unless a user has "file mover" rights. So I was asking whether Sushant can do this without having the rights. KCVelaga (talk · mail) 10:53, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@KCVelaga: No, sorry, that script does not allow use by a user who is neither a filemover nor a sysop.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 01:16, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to become a filemover to help renaming road sign diagrams (specifically in the Philippines) Thank you. hueman1 (talk) 03:18, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, guys? What happened? Am I qualified or not?. hueman1 (talk) 03:58, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done No move request in the last 500 edits. You don't need the filemover bit. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 01:52, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As an active Commons user with 1,661 edits I love to upload my own photographs or convert some PNG files to SVG. Sometimes, I made mistakes with the filename so I want to be able to change bad filename myself. Thank you. ReaperDawn 12:04, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done No move request in the last 1000 edits, no need for filemover bit. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 02:03, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to be a file mover because I like moving files and like and enjoy renaming requested move of files and I enjoy this job, If I made copyright violations, or any other mistakes, then I didn't understand that they were wrong and violation. None of my wrongs were on purpose. Please let me have another chance. I Will be a good editor. I will not do copyright violations, break rules or do anything that's violation to the rules. HutheMeow (talk) 09:39, 27 November 2018 (UTC) (HutheMeow) (User talk:HutheMeow)[reply]

  •  Oppose: per Incnis above; because the requester asked for three different names for File:YeLLOw Waratah flower, Caringbah.jpg, ending up with one that was improperly capitalized, and didn't follow through by changing the description; because they are still inexperienced with wiki editing re signatures and tampering with first lines of requests here; and because they are blocked indefinitely as a sock on enwiki.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 15:41, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done This cannot be granted at this time because of the concerns raised above. Best --Steinsplitter (talk) 14:45, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]


I want to help rename files, that incorrectly named. Thank you.--Turkmen talk 19:11, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Jeff G.: I renamed this file. For the same reason, this file must also be renamed ([51]). Thanks.--Turkmen talk 23:08, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Turkmen: In the first case, you requested a rename (which was approved). In the second case, you appear not to have indicated a target name. You also should be using internal links.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 18:15, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeff G.: understood thanks. I made a change to the second file.--Turkmen talk 18:39, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Turkmen: If you are going to edit any file description page, it behooves you to make sure it has a description and is not in Category:Media missing infobox template when you are done. File Renamers look to the description for clues and justification.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 19:53, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeff G.: understood thanks.--Turkmen talk 20:04, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Incnis Mrsi: , I'm just thinking of uploading the pictures I've taken. Generally, I'm sensitive to uploading pictures because I've made some mistakes in the past. I still want to learn the commons better.--Turkmen talk 20:52, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Hedwig in Washington: , please stop my candidacy. There are so many things to learn. Thanks.--Turkmen talk 20:55, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done Withdrawn by Turkmen --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 21:00, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you--Turkmen talk 21:02, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to correct my own mistakes (and help other users). --Verum (talk) 14:25, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]